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SHARK - Tougie's Take Podcast (1/22/24)
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- On this edition of the show, the Fella's are back together to talk about the Oilers fantastic run, Patrick Roy's appointment on Long Island and more!
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Podcast Kickoff and Banter
00:00:00
Speaker
now welcome everybody nope endo started talking i tried then you want to do the intro no i'm good one a two welcome everybody to another edition of the toogies take podcast your favorite hockey podcast that's only sometimes
Culinary Interruptions and Gaming Skills
00:00:23
Speaker
about hockey, and a Once Upon a Time label did a fraud cast, and it's a pretty apt description. Speaking of one endurance M, he is back this week, currently preoccupied stuffing his face with food, so he waved though, for those of you that only listen to the audio side of things. I haven't eaten yet today, so this is my first meal, and my last supper, so I'm good. How we doing? How we doing, fellas?
00:00:52
Speaker
We're doing, we're doing good. We're doing good. Um, sin. Yeah. How are you? I'm doing pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Hanging in there. Yeah. I unlocked, finally unlocked elite edges in a nutshell last night. Like after I just never playing, only ever playing with you guy, doing a bit of pro AM. I'm just like, I want elite edges and gold one tee. And then.
00:01:15
Speaker
And then I discovered Gold1T doesn't unlock to level 50. And I'm like, God damn it, I don't want to play any more of Pro-Am. And I'm just like, I'll wait. So you grinded Pro-Am. I still haven't finished it. I mean, yeah, I just want, why? Just let me buy it.
00:01:33
Speaker
You know, just kidding. I mean, just just let me enjoy the game enough that we play it a lot. And I just unlock things within the first couple of weeks like it used to happen. Yeah. But don't you miss the days of having to buy boost packs and 360 era plus five speed? I never played online in that era. I only started playing usual in like. I mean, I did at the end of that era, like NHL.
00:02:00
Speaker
like 15 old, like 360. I didn't really play 14 online. And then I got into usual and like NHL 15.
00:02:11
Speaker
I was very late to the online scene of NHL. Honestly, for a long time, after I got bored of Halo, I didn't really do Xbox Live anymore. After I dropped out of the craziness of Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, I'm all over that shit. I dropped out after that.
00:02:33
Speaker
I didn't realize it was that late because I was I felt like I was late to it. But then again, I started playing online e-show with like NHL 10 or 11. So I was only like a year or two out from when it started. I was very late to the party. Yeah. Well, what what a party to be late to. Let's be honest. I mean, shit, dude, once I got into it, I'm like, damn, dude, is this what I've been missing? This is this a blast. Like, I don't have to bitch about the A.I.
00:03:01
Speaker
kind of humans act more like hockey players at times. At times. At times.
NHL 24 Esports Commentary and Frustrations
00:03:07
Speaker
And now we have Ishel being ESHL being what it is, which you and I just got done half an hour, an hour or so ago.
00:03:22
Speaker
doing our NHL 24 Esports commentary with sports team. I'm still wearing the jersey. I haven't changed. You are? Holy fuck. I had to slap a sweatshirt on because it's a cold time. Winter has finally arrived in New England. You and I just got done with a game, a series of games, and it had
00:03:46
Speaker
one of the worst bounces leading to a game-winning goal with one second left that I think I've ever seen. The
NHL Esports and Community Challenges
00:03:56
Speaker
type of goal, it's a put the controller down and go play something else type of goal, right? Like if the three of us were playing EISHL with the friendos on stream and that happens to us, that's all right, boys, I'm gonna go play something else.
00:04:14
Speaker
Maybe. I don't know. I feel like I don't get that angry at the game anymore. You and I both go through phases. Yeah. I flat out won't play during that time though. That's fair. But yeah, you and I both go through phases and I feel like you helped me get to that point in regards to
00:04:39
Speaker
Sometimes, again, we talked about the story right last year in Finland, when you and I got stuck outside of the venue. Then we were broadcasting and where normally I'm the one who would be like, ah, this sucks. I hate this. I hate it so much. And you're normally the one that's okay, man. We'll just go with the flow. And then you were the one where it's like, oh, I'm over this. I want to go home. I'm over this. And I'm like, it's fine. It's okay.
00:05:05
Speaker
And we treat ESHL the same way. There are some nights where you're the more calm voice of reason and you're not really fussed by the bullshit of the video game. And I'm wanting to jump off a bridge. And then there are other nights where we kind of reverse roles in that regard.
00:05:27
Speaker
It's an interesting dynamic, I would say, but it's beneficial because typically it has to be pretty bad for both of us to be like, this fucking shit sucks, which is what happened the last time we played each other. We played two games before I fired up a stream and it was just like, well, there's no way we're playing this on stream tonight. You're just like, this game sucks. I could have given it another game. I wasn't to the point of actually being angry yet.
00:05:53
Speaker
But I was just like, yeah, I if I'm not going to keep playing, if no one else is playing, like I'm just like, yeah, OK, if it's if it's going to behave like this, if people aren't, my whole thing is like if other people aren't really having fun.
00:06:05
Speaker
Like then I don't want to play. You know what I mean? Yeah, because it drags it drags it down for everybody. Yeah, you know, which is why in the past, I remember when you would like force yourself to play because everyone else wanted to play, even though you didn't. And now you won't play with you don't want it, which is smart. But yeah, we have to wait.
00:06:24
Speaker
Definitely healthier, because the second we get in, if any little thing went wrong, you're like, oh, fucking, of course. And then I'm like, Jesus Christ, yeah. And other times you have a longer leash on that, where like, all right, a couple things can go wrong, and it takes the egregious thing. So yeah, you do a much better job of now just not playing when you just don't want to, which is the way to go with any game. It's crazy that a fucking video game that we want to be good and want to play just
00:06:52
Speaker
brings out these weird things in everyone. That's why the temptation's always there to play, though, right? And it's like, you know, we talk about the esports side of things on occasion on this podcast because, you know, it's a big part of what we do. And I saw a tweet when we were live, I think it was from Nieler, who said, oh, is NHL 24 going to kill the competitive scene? And honestly,
00:07:21
Speaker
I don't know. As we know it, maybe. Because over the past 24 hours, there was another set of call them retirements. I know the league gaming Twitter account, which I don't know if that's Brody or whatever. It was like, hey, can we get used to calling these breaks instead of retirements? Because you never know if you'll be back. But the NA scene was particularly impacted in the past 24 hours. I saw Rocket.
00:07:49
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just put something out like an hour ago before we're recording this. And then last night was Hendry. And K cut's gone too. Oh shit, is he really? I missed that one. People are dropping like flies. And that's fucking nuts from the Hendry side of things because that is somebody that
00:08:06
Speaker
We got to meet as a member of his team, Entourage, less than a year ago. And now there's two, if not three members of that team in less than a year who are like, yeah, I'm done with this game competitively. Yeah.
00:08:21
Speaker
That's fucking nuts. It's crazy. I mean, it's, yeah. So it, it, it, and it's up to someone before, will it kill the competitive scene? No. Is it going to kill what we know is the competitive scene? Yes. There's going to be other people that step up. That's the thing. There's going to be a whole crop of these young fuckers, young little sweats who are licking their chops right now. And they're like, this is mine for the taking now. I can jump in. Like, you know,
00:08:47
Speaker
It's, it's, I don't think it'll ever go away because there's always going to be someone who's still hungry, who's going to be willing to put up with it or learn enough to get around it and make those necessary adjustments and things like that. And so, yeah, it's going to change. It's not going to die. You know, N.A. especially loves to be fucking dramatic about things. I don't.
00:09:08
Speaker
Yeah, there's some things that happen that are egregious, but are the bounces really that fucking different from last year? No, but there's enough other things they don't like about 24 where they're going to put it all on this game, despite I love what the devs tried to do with the game and I don't want them to stop going in that direction.
00:09:25
Speaker
But yeah, there's things they need to fix. Those things were the same things they needed to fix last year. People were bitching about the bounces last year, and now they want to act like NHL 23 was some superior fucking product when all they did was piss and moan about it all year? Come on, man. People have short memories and they're dramatic, and that's all I gather, particularly from the North American competitive scene.
00:09:46
Speaker
Europeans don't like the game. They'll bitch about it and stuff like that some more than others others, but they have more of a a They're more chill because it fucking is amazing to live in the Nordics. I don't blame them for being chill all the time Very cold. Yeah chills do meaning sorry. Yeah
00:10:07
Speaker
Um, yeah, I had a big talk with McSavin about it. It was actually in one of the streams when to you was not having it. And he talked to me afterwards and he was like,
00:10:17
Speaker
He was like, he's like, yeah, he's like, I like your, I like your mentality. And, uh, to get used to take a break for a while. I'm like, yeah, I'm telling him that because he's not having fun and stuff like that. And he is like, he was like, yeah, it's like, you just have to learn. I think it was at the beginning of maybe 23. I don't think it was 24, but it was like the beginning of the game where it completely changed from the beta, which everyone kind of loved. And they just made it a fast cluster. Fuck.
00:10:40
Speaker
And I remember in the beginning, you were not having it. You're like, these incidents suck. This sucks. Everything sucks. I can't do this. I can't do that. And I'm like, it's cool, man. Let's just try to learn how it works. And like, yeah. Sounds like you. And yeah. But anyway, just mowing things short. That's just kind of the European mentality. Like, all right. Well, let's see if we could learn the ins and outs of it before we pile on, whereas NA is more fuck this. OK, let's try to learn. OK, in your mind, fuck this.
00:11:09
Speaker
I was going to say, that's the attitude towards it is, you know, some nights you're just like, all right, the game is what it is. Let's just play it for what it is. But then there are other nights where it just gets a little bit more under your skin about what the game could be, should be, what you want it to be. And it just gets more difficult to look past shortcomings and to, you know, bring it back to the broadcast earlier.
00:11:38
Speaker
I mean, we're talking about a situation like playing ESHL just like on stream casually as a group of friends, let alone getting screwed over by. Yeah. If money's involved, I'm pissed. Yeah. Right. And I don't play for money, though. Right. And at the same time, it's like, do you have the standpoint if you're one of those players to just be like, well, I know what I signed up for. I knew what this game was.
00:12:02
Speaker
Yeah, it's a fine line. Yeah, and then you get into the conversation about, well, there are bounces in real hockey and it's like, well, there's a difference here in terms of what we're talking about from an EA video game bounce compared to what a bounce in real hockey means, you know? Yeah. And that's another thing I actually just thought of right now, kind of actually had an epiphany on it.
00:12:25
Speaker
How much do we want a hockey simulation? Because fucked up bounces happen in hockey. Do they happen as often as they happen in the game? Actually, maybe. Because we think of it from a perspective, how many games can you play a night? Like, we'll play it five to 10. Yeah.
00:12:42
Speaker
Five to 10 games in real life is probably over the span of two to four weeks. So it's all in a shorter size. So we perceive it from a human element, whereas we're playing a video game element. And maybe those bounces that happen in real life are happened more. We think more frequently because of just the sheer amount and the volume that we're playing and participating.
00:13:06
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So I think we need to decide, I think, well, the NHL community as a whole, definitely. How much do you want a realistic, quote unquote, game rather than a competitive resemblance of hockey? Because realism includes shit like that.
00:13:27
Speaker
And I'm sure if someone, I'd be interested in someone who actually had the patience to sit down and do the math and looked up, fucked up bounces in like actual hockey, how often they would happen and then try to break it down versus how often they would happen in an NHL video game. I'm sure the game would still take the cake, but I'm sure it's not as big of a gap as some people would have, what would think about it.
00:13:51
Speaker
I mean it's funny because there's that debate over video games and real simulation versus not like that's been a conversation in Madden for a long time where EA has the exclusive license for simulation football games.
00:14:08
Speaker
And a lot of people view Madden as not at all being a simulation football game with a lot of the gameplay choices there. And well, that's where the X Factor system originated. And the concept of there's an ability that means for quarterbacks, if you have it active, you literally can't have the ball be picked. And it's like, well, that's not simulation. No.
00:14:33
Speaker
there's an ability where if it's active and your guy's in the zone, he can't fumble. That's not simulation. That's not simulation. Exactly. It's, it's this weird mixture and in between, which is what a lot of sports games are because I feel like the target is what we want it to be simulation, but we'll throw in these unrealistic elements for the fun factor.
00:15:04
Speaker
but that doesn't really work that way. I don't think that translates well to,
NHL Awards Predictions and Team Dynamics
00:15:11
Speaker
all right, it's a simulation game, but yeah, we added in X-factors for fun or just some of the other game design choices that there have been. It seems to be this middle ground that sports games have been in for a really long time in regards to, all right, we're a simulation, but how do we keep it more fun? And then,
00:15:31
Speaker
Yeah, I think that leads to people like Endo and Davos and other friends of ours that still love to play their Super Mario Strikers and a lot of other arcadey sports games. My games go to 100%. I just wanted to give Endo an in to the conversation. That's the greatest product to come out of Mike Inglehart's hands.
00:16:00
Speaker
who is the creative director of the current NHL franchise. Funny how that comes full circle. Insert witty comment about NHL being like Super Mario Strikers. It feels like NHL hits 2024.
00:16:17
Speaker
In some instances it just feels like the bounces are crazy and in others it feels like It's like it works fine But it's very rare that the game is consistent in what I've noticed and it's very rare that a hockey game is still consistent as well, too So you might be onto something with you know, the the the theory essentially of that you have more bounces per Bounces per 60 because of how many games you're playing in a certain window of time, but then there's also stuff that's kind of inexcusable
00:16:47
Speaker
But then you can go down to coding. I'm not saying those puck pickup situations are excusable in any way. That's what we expect. If there's a mechanic, we want it to work as it's designed to work. And that's why I have that theory of we don't really want
00:17:06
Speaker
a complete hockey simulation because you're never going to have it. It's a video game. Oh, yeah. There's so many like different intangibles that happen in the game of hockey that we don't have control over. So therefore you're never going to be able to make it like hockey. So at some point, why try and why not just make a resemblance of hockey that's competitive and balanced, quote unquote.
00:17:29
Speaker
That was a conversation I had had with the Flopfish, who used to be the NHL community manager before the Claperton. And he and I have had plenty of conversations over the years. We should get him on the show sometimes. Sure, yeah. He's a fucking smart dude, and he makes great points. I love talking with him. And he and I had that conversation about what he would want a hockey game to be, which is,
00:17:55
Speaker
arcade and fun. Like he views like three on three arcade from the 360 PS three days as well as games ever made. Yeah, you know that that's his preference. Of course, I honestly don't have too much experience with that game. It's good. Yeah. So I've heard of this. I think it's one of those things with a competitive hockey game nowadays, like to me, it's rock, paper, scissors. A lot of the gameplay right now isn't.
00:18:25
Speaker
A lot of it's just like, all right, I'm going to try this. Well, I'm going to do the counter. Doesn't matter that you did the counter. You know, to me, it's like I feel like it should be. It needs to be a series of counters and whoever fucks up their counter is, you know, when when you're losing, essentially.
00:18:47
Speaker
You know, it's like, okay, you're doing this defensively. Well, then I'm going to start doing this offensively. Oh, he changed. Let me do this defensively. But if you get it wrong in terms of what you're trying to do, then the offense is going to have the advantage, so to speak.
00:19:02
Speaker
if that makes sense. And I don't really feel like we have that series of counters right now because it's way more beneficial to just keep doing the same things that are super high quality if they get through. And even if you fail 49 out of 50 times, well, the one time it works, it's almost a guaranteed goal. So that's what people go for. And it just leads to boring metas. Mm hmm.
00:19:33
Speaker
I don't know. Anyway, it's funny because Saphir just put a tweet out talking about the state of, you know, players retired from cell esports, you know, he says, quote verbatim. I will say here, I'll drop it in the chat for you guys to see as well. Former hockey muse guy with the NHL podcast with uphill, both those guys left.
00:19:53
Speaker
He says, sucks to see so many comp players tiring from Chell esports. I hate Chell, by the way. One, the game is in design with esports in mind. Obviously, you're going to cater towards the casual audience, especially for a game as niche as NHL. And two, other than the hashtag NHL24WC, so World Championship, we've seen a decrease in the number of NHL teams involved in the minitude of events. The goal needs of NHL esports are between NHL 18 and NHL 20.
00:20:18
Speaker
I would also say NHL 21 as well because that's when they kind of started getting more stuff in there. The Northern Arena tournament, I think that was the jumping of the shark because that was a lot of money being dumped in that no one had seen before. And the fallout behind that with certain things happening and certain language being used when an NHL affiliated tournament had to postpone two days because of
00:20:48
Speaker
stuff that happened. To elaborate on that, what you're referring to is Northern Arena, which is a massive gaming organization in Canada. They were hosting an NHL event. And this was around the time of early summer 2020 when the George Floyd thing happened.
00:21:18
Speaker
And Northern Arena announced they were gonna postpone games for a night or two. And I'd like to say children, but let's be honest, these could have been older people too. Freaked the fuck out. And said, oh, why are we delaying games for this? You know? And I think it was incidents like that and some others that maybe had some people say,
00:21:46
Speaker
Is this the community to work with? And then it's true at a time right now, like we had some NHL teams that were running their own events and a couple of them have stopped running events.
00:22:03
Speaker
Um, prize pools have dropped out and people are wondering why prize pools have dropped down. Like I believe the big one was when, um, the sharks had their one that just wrapped up recently with Alice GT winning. They had a previous prize pool. I think it was like $10,000 because that was, that's another basic everyone had said at. And now it went back to 2,500.
00:22:24
Speaker
And people were saying, wow, the community is washed, the community is this and that. But when these events happen, it's a reflection of the community. You put out what you put in. You get out what you put in. If you don't put in the effort to watch, effort to support and do stuff like that, you're not going to get events like this.
00:22:44
Speaker
For example, I love pointing it back to the fighting game community, aka the FGC. They have grassroots tournaments. No matter what city you live in, it's a major city, there's always a tournament happening. I'm not saying everyone should start making all these massive events and do all these big things. It takes a lot of work. But there's always something happening for a fighting game. There are still tournaments for Street Fighter 1, 2, 2 Super, all this stuff happening.
00:23:12
Speaker
NHL 94 has a bigger eSports scene than NHL does right now. I'm not even joking about that. The amount of tournaments and actual rankings there are for NHL 94 on the Nintendo Entertainment System and fucking Sega Genesis is hilarious. That shit's been going on for what, 30 years now? And there's more support and things going on for that.
00:23:36
Speaker
It's just that a lot of people want the instant gratification of things happening. I mean, like, oh, my favorite game, my sports game is having a tournament. I want this to go on and on and on and be more successful without wanting to put in the work to have it be successful. I don't know what the solution is necessarily because it's just there's so much change and you look at all your locals.
00:24:03
Speaker
You look at where this conversation went and it went from the casual side of things, the competitive side of things, the state of the game. And regardless of what way you look at it and just there's. Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot. I think a lot of people would like to see change, but I think the overall point to since credit is just.
00:24:24
Speaker
You know, the game's probably not going anywhere. The competitive scene won't go anywhere for a game of its size. But it'll change. The names and faces will change. And that's just that's a part of it. Now, whether or not that change has been accelerated, you can have that conversation. But at the end of the day, you know, it's still just something that was going to happen eventually anyway. That said, let's get.
00:24:52
Speaker
Do a couple of viewer questions to kick things off, eh? Eh? Come on! Yeah.
00:25:03
Speaker
Our first question comes from one wheelchair Hulk, although I believe there was a typo to my credit, so I am going to double check this. I think I may have copied and pasted the wrong thing, or he did actually ask about this. I definitely copy and paste the wrong thing. So I am glad that I double checked because what he asked about... That seems like not a question.
00:25:28
Speaker
because it wasn't, like, I've been pasted the wrong thing. He had asked for our mid-season award predictions, which we haven't talked about our kind of updated predictions in a while. We certainly didn't do it, I believe, at the start of the month. So I was kind of, you know, fine with kind of going through here and saying like, OK, who are the obvious winners for things, right?
00:25:54
Speaker
And now a lot of these, it kind of comes down to like, you know, you just look at the NHL.com page and you kind of guess who it's going to be. In terms of the Art Ross trophy winner for top points score, there are two guys right now at the helm of this race. In third place is David Posternock at 66 points. Second is Nikita Kucherov with 76. And then at the very top, Nathan McKinnon on 77.
00:26:21
Speaker
If you ask most people, I think, through the midway point of the season now, who's gonna put up the most points? I think most people are looking at Nathan McKinnon. He is playing the best hockey of his career. He is averaging an outrageous 23 minutes a night.
00:26:38
Speaker
Hell yeah. Literally, I saw something where a reporter asked him, like, hey, so how do you feel about playing this much? And he's like, well, it's my job. What do I get paid to do? The nickel and the nickel yogic of the fucking NHL right there. I thought it was a tremendous, tremendous answer on his part.
00:27:00
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's just I feel like McKinnon is probably the guy that you look at, especially to because Tampa's in a situation where they're not exactly shoe ins for the playoffs. But a couple of teams in that old Eastern Conference in the Atlantic Division specifically aren't exactly shoe ins for the playoffs. I. I think McDavid's going to win it. Mm hmm.
00:27:26
Speaker
I'm just saying like, I know he's 18 points behind. I felt a lot more comfortable when it was, I thought it was like Kucharov on top and like Posno. I didn't realize McKinnon was going off that much. He's crazy. I still think it could be McDavid.
00:27:43
Speaker
That's fair. He's fucking nutty. And we're waiting for the regression to the mean for him in the way that he's not putting up nearly as many points as he usually does. And now the Oilers are starting to come alive. He had a horrific beginning to the season, also with injury. He's in the prime of his career. I don't know. I want to see it. I'm more trying to will it to happen, because god damn.
00:28:11
Speaker
Well, we'll see. I mean, it's going to be tough to catch McKinnon. Catching Putrov, you can do that. Tampa is struggling. The Stamkos may not even be back.
00:28:21
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that was a big talking point, saying that they weren't going to trade him. To your point about the Oilers, 13 straight wins. Yep. Which is a franchise record. It is the longest winning streak for a Canadian team in NHL history and tied for seventh all time in NHL history for longest winning streak. I had to look it up. NHL records dot NHL dot com, by the way.
00:28:51
Speaker
an amazing, amazing platform. I love this website so much. The longest win streak of all time. Do either of you know what it is? I know the unbeaten streak is the fucking liars, like 23 games in a row. Longest winning streak of the NHL. Longest winning streak in the NHL.
00:29:19
Speaker
God, is it? It's going to be a team from like like decades ago, isn't it? 1992, 93. Oh, OK. Hmm. Oh, that's the fucking the Montreal Canadiens.
00:29:39
Speaker
incorrect. Ah, okay. The 1992 93 Pittsburgh penguins. Oh, Mary on 17 games in a row. Geez. For the record, the Oilers right now are in a six way tie for seventh.
00:30:00
Speaker
with the 71 Bruins, the 85 Flyers, the 2001 Devils, and the 2022 Florida Panthers. Oh, and the 2022 Devils. What the fuck? The height of the list though, you have the 2009, 2010 Capitals, and the 1929, 1930 Boston Bruins, who each won 14 in a row.
00:30:26
Speaker
You have the 2012-13 Penguins and 81-82 Islanders at 15 each. The team that's in second is wild to me. The 2016-17 Columbus Blue Jackets have the second longest winning streak of all time at 16.
00:30:50
Speaker
That's crazy. I have no recollection of that whatsoever. I don't. And I thought the Sharks had a crazy win streak at one point. That was up at least near 12, but obviously not high enough. I thought it was so much more. It was after they traded for Joe Thornton, they just fucking went off. But I think leading up to that Thornton trade, they had lost 10 plus in a row. And so maybe I'm misremembering.
00:31:15
Speaker
Well, I linked you guys the website here because you can sort by record type and then within that record you can take a look at longest winning streaks from the start of the season, longest home winning streaks. Records.nhl.com is a website that you can get lost in as a hockey fan for hours upon hours. It is an absolutely absurd resource that's out there.
00:31:42
Speaker
A couple of things really quickly in regards to the Oilers and the Avalanche, because they kind of came up in the talking points here. For the Oilers, we mentioned their 13-game winning streak. Remember when they played the San Jose Sharks in November? And it was the Tank Bowl of all Tank Bowls. You know how glorious that win was? Oh, man. God, it seems like so long ago.
00:32:11
Speaker
I can't imagine the Oilers ever playing like that, like against the Sharks. Jesus. We shut down McDavid with sixth, seventh defenseman, Hen Mario Ferraro. Yeah. It is insane how this season has gone from the Oilers just in terms of the ebbs and flows of the year. It's insane. And if you were to tell me that they win the Stanley Cup this year, I wouldn't necessarily be surprised.
00:32:40
Speaker
Especially with the way they're playing right now. Even though they started off so poorly. They got Perry, so they're going to lose in the finals now. Well, that was the next talking point. I will say Chuck Knoblock is now fucking set. You know how many jobs this is going to get him in the future? Holy shit.
00:33:01
Speaker
And it's not even necessarily that I think Woodcroft's a bad coach. I think he's a fantastic coach. Um, it's just sometimes, you know, the source of the voice gets old, not necessarily what the voice is saying, but sometimes the source gets old. Maybe that's what happened and all, you know, you get the new voice in there. Maybe he's not saying anything entirely different, just slightly different, doing slightly different things. And all of a sudden you're like, okay, yeah, we're good. Two things. The first.
00:33:32
Speaker
is sin when I don't want to call it going old man, but you mentioned the name. The head coach of the Edmonton Oilers
00:33:47
Speaker
is Chris Knoblock. Holy fuck, what did I say? And you mentioned former Minnesota twin, Chuck Knoblock. No, no, former New York Yankee, Chuck Knoblock. Yankee and twin, he played for the Royals. He had this batting stance. This fucking batting stance. What a fucking crazy man. Sorry. Kind of a fucking copper's town.
00:34:14
Speaker
I just knew you'd get a chuckle out of it more than just be like, oh, shit, the mistake. And it wasn't even like, oh, I'm worried someone would correct you. I just think it's funny that Chuck. That is funny because I was like, I fucking wonder if he's related because to me, I actually don't know. Let me look really quickly because now it's not a block. What? Yeah, it's they start with C's, too. It's so easy. So yeah, that was that was an easy and easy. I've been Scully here. Chuck Knoblock up to bat.
00:34:41
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I was looking up Chuck Knoblock and I didn't find a personal section, but I did find a section on his Wikipedia entitled Spousal Assaults. So, fuck you, Chuck. Shut up. Fuck him. Sorry to Chris. Fuck you and your stupid bad ex-nants. Christ.
00:35:10
Speaker
Well, speaking of questionable things, to say the least, the Oilers signed Corey Perry. Watch out for your moms, apparently, because that's still going on. The one joke, there's one joke every year for every season in the NHL, and it just gets prolonged way too long. And this is the one that Corey Perry fucks at everyone's mom. I think it's funny. And I think it's fucking deserved.
00:35:40
Speaker
for the Blackhawks and for the Angels. Sorry, go ahead. I mean, we talked about this a little bit before the show went live, and we've talked about it on the show before in terms of frustrations. It is deserved at this point, though. The incident, whatever the hell incident was, happened.
00:36:06
Speaker
and people have been completely silent on it, allowing this nonsense to fester. And it went away for a little bit, and now that Corey's back, it's watch out, like Endo said, watch out moms of Edmonton, like, yeah, this is what you deserve. Again, if they were less than stellar details and things were still being investigated or whatever, sure, you don't have to talk about the details specifically.
00:36:34
Speaker
You didn't mention a fucking thing. Nope. It's just one day he was on Chicago and the next day he wasn't. And now he gets to go to the Edmonton Oilers rehabilitation project alongside the likes of Evander Kane. Yeah, they got, they got Votnan too, remember? Wait, Vertanin, sorry. No, sorry, Votnan. Did they bring him Vertanin?
00:36:57
Speaker
Yes, they did. And we're thinking of bringing Jake. No, they they did not. There's no way they signed Jake for 10. OK, well, they were negotiating with him. I remember there were open fucking negotiations. I believe it was OK. Oh, discuss October 2022. He was on a PTO. Yeah.
Islanders' New Era with Patrick Waugh
00:37:13
Speaker
So there's not that. No, he never he never played with the practice with them because that's before the season started. You sign a pizza still. Yeah, I don't care if it's not an official NHL contract. They signed him. Yeah.
00:37:27
Speaker
Like they, they okayed. It was like a week later he got cut. Yeah. September 19th, 2022 wasn't cause it's playing. It's cause of the blowback from ESPN's website. The Edmonton Oilers signed Jake for Tainan to a PTO on Monday, two months after the Vancouver forward was found not guilty of sexual assault. And then he didn't end up actually playing for the oil is beyond that PTO. And, uh, yeah.
00:37:53
Speaker
I believe I saw something recently of a player getting a Russian citizenship. I'm not sure if it's him, but a player, a notable Canadian player who was exiled, got a Russian citizenship. Let me find this out. Russian, land of the free. Home of the Putin. That's, um, that's been a thing.
00:38:22
Speaker
is a lot of dumb white people being like, I'm going to move to Russia. Brendan Leipzig was granted Russian citizenship under the creed published on the government's website. And so did US heavyweight boxer Kevin Johnson.
00:38:46
Speaker
Uh, Johnson expresses love for Russia and Russian women. Me too. Um, Jesus Christ. And of course to go around. Dudes and sports. Also...
00:38:59
Speaker
The boxer changed his name to Vladimirovich. Jesus Christ. I ain't going that far. Um, but yeah, he was, cause Leipzig was playing in Russian hockey, was playing in the KHL since he was sacked in 2020 over the leak, over the group chat leak. Yeah, I remember this story. Yeah. So aside from the heart trophy or the art Ross,
00:39:25
Speaker
In fairness, Corey Perry, I mean, what else is there to mention? Like, you know, he's a veteran, grit, serviceable player, whatever. We don't know what the fuck happened. The NHL's fucking stupid. Most people aren't journalists. They're reporters. And people are too afraid to rock the goddamn boat. The NHL sucks. There we go. Done and dusted. The Calder this year. Maybe, perhaps, a little bit of an opening for somebody after the injury to Connor Bedard.
00:39:53
Speaker
to maybe get their name into the conversation, but as it stands, Bedard is on 33 points through 39 games. The next highest point totals are both from the Minnesota Wild, 27 points in 46 games for both Marco Rossi and Brock Faber. And then from there, you're looking at the likes of Adam Fantilli, Luke Hughes, Conner Zari, I mean, Logan Cooley's. Yeah, I'm not quite sure. I mean, it's gonna go to Bedard, doesn't matter. It is.
00:40:22
Speaker
that you don't have somebody who can rival him like McDavid in his work a year when he was injured and you had, what, 24-year-old Artemi Panerin coming over, who, you know, was able to get the award. You have Pavel Mintyakov, but he's not gonna have enough points to- I think he got hurt, too. Yeah, I think so. Oh, yeah, did he? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, he's Jesus.
00:40:50
Speaker
But defensemen like that are not going to get the same recognition as a Connor Bedard as good as he is. If unless he's going to put up the points, that's just how it works. Yeah. Right. Right now, for me, I mean, I think if there's anybody that I would look at to be like, OK, if it's not Bedard, it's him. It's Brock Faber. He has stepped into an incredibly tough role for Minnesota and.
00:41:20
Speaker
You know, overall, I think it's it's one of those things where like you mentioned, you know, goaltenders like that just aren't.
00:41:27
Speaker
going to get the respect or defenders like that. I was trying to look up goal tenders and the rookie numbers for goalies, but the NHL's primary website sucks. Yeah. I was stuck on, I was trying to just look up for rookies and I was just stuck on it buffering. I'm like, we're loading. Sorry. It's not a video. It was just fucking loading for like multiple minutes. I'm like, okay, your website sucks at NHL.
00:41:51
Speaker
Yeah, it's not great sometimes. So no disrespect to any goalies out there. It's what happens when your league is run by a bunch of fucking boomers. Very true. Very, very true. Awards like the Salchiera toss up, the heart trophy, MVP of the regular season. I mean, that's a trophy where it's just, you know, you can get into that whole debate over who it should be and so on and so forth. The Norris. I am intrigued.
00:42:21
Speaker
by the Norris and that is if this friggin website will cooperate and it's not going to. So you know what, you know who else wins the NHL awards? Other goddamn people.
00:42:38
Speaker
because I can't name anybody right now on a cursory glance aside from mentioning like, hey, Kale McCar's dope and became the second fastest defenseman to hit 300 points and he did it in one fewer game than Bobby fucking lore, which is nuts. So Kale McCar probably for the Norris, but yeah, I mean, there are other sites I can go to, but the fact that I can't go on the NHL's primary website
00:43:07
Speaker
to properly see statistics speaks for itself in a lot of ways, I would say. God, the NHL sucks. Can you even sort by position anymore? No, I don't think so. What? OK, there we go. Jesus Christ. I just want to know. So in terms of the fence, that's Quinn Hughes and Kale McCarr, who are both at 54 and 56 points for Hughes, 54 for McCarr.
00:43:37
Speaker
Then maybe like Noah Dobson's in the mix. It's gonna be Hughes or MacArthur. And I mean, right now you probably look at Quinn Hughes as being the favorite because he and his brother Jack were named co-captains for an all-star team. Fun, woo. Yeah, sorry. NHL's website has ruined the rest of your question, Hulk. But hey, we'll talk more about the awards. An author will mention that I'm sure no one has expected to be in this conversation is Noah Dobson.
00:44:04
Speaker
He's at 1.02 points per game. He's on a sus Islanders team and he's finally coming into his own. Like Noah Dobson, that's been a name that's been kicking around for a while. And this is just further proof that defenseman, they take a little bit longer to develop sometimes. I mean, you take one defenseman off of that Islanders defense, you're taking him.
00:44:30
Speaker
A while ago, it would have been Pelec, Pollock, like it's not anymore. It's Noah Dobson is the number one defenseman on that team. We will. I could segue it now, but we won't. We will talk about the Islanders a little bit later on. That is probably the biggest and most intriguing story. Yes. And I will say, too, like in regards to the Jack Adams, which I was going to bring up before the site started screwing up, you can always look at the standings. And honestly, you're probably looking at Vancouver. Yeah, that's got to be Vancouver.
00:44:59
Speaker
Vancouver Winnipeg. One of those two coaches, one of those two GMs.
00:45:04
Speaker
There's your award winners. Why not Torz? Look what he's done. Look what he's done to Philly. He's turned that team around. They are ninth in the NHL right now and could very well make the playoffs. If Philly makes the playoffs, Torz is a finalist for the Jack Adams. He's 100%. Didn't they give Babcock the fucking thing for the Leafs making it into the playoffs that they're completely tanking the season beforehand? Pretty sure.
00:45:30
Speaker
Let's see the history of the Jack Adams Award. No victory for Babcock. Thankfully. Not a single win for Mike, Dad, Babclock. What? That's a Steve Dingle podcast meme from back in the day. Yeah.
00:45:57
Speaker
No, no wins for him, and good. Recent winners include Boston's Jim Montgomery, and 2022 Calgary's Daryl Sutter. Ws. And you know what? Screw it. In 2014, the Jack Adams winner. Oh, God. You remember who it was, everybody? Oh, not 15.
00:46:23
Speaker
2015 was... 2015 was Bob Hartley for the Calgary Flames. Yeah, yeah. 2014? Yes. Um... I got nothing, Brody. I don't know. I got nothing. For the Colorado Avalanche, Patrick Waa. What the fuck? Oh, this week. They made the playoffs that year and then they went back to me and shit. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah.
00:46:52
Speaker
Patrick Wah, the new head coach of the New York Islander. Yes, I was going to make that same fucking joke. I was going to make that same fucking joke. I was waiting for it. You do it in a better accent than I do, though. The Islander. What is this in reference to?
00:47:13
Speaker
uh french can't pronounce fucking anything properly and literally in in in french they will just make things english like uh obviously like right and then like the maple leaves it's like le maple leaf
00:47:31
Speaker
Le Islander. Le Wild. Just the way they pronounce things in Quebecois. It's not even French, it's Quebecois French. You keep it English, but put the twang on it. It's really weird. So, I want to talk about this hiring from a couple of different perspectives.
00:47:56
Speaker
First and foremost, let's talk about the Islanders themselves and their current standing, both literally in the standings and just where they are as a franchise right now. They are currently two points out of a wildcard spot after last night. They won their first game under Patrick Watt in overtime. Bo Horvat scores the winner.
00:48:18
Speaker
Fun fact about Bo Horvat, this is his third straight season that his coach has been replaced mid-season. It happened twice in Vancouver and now at the Islanders. It's fucking insane. So they're not in a brutal spot, right? Like, you know, they can very well be a playoff team. It's just thanks to Gary Bettman. They have 11 overtime losses. That's insane. They've lost 26 games in 120.
00:48:48
Speaker
That is kind of nuts, isn't it? Yeah. That's wild how many they've lost at OT or the shootout. It's like a Toronto stat line too. Jesus. Yeah. They are a team that's been in an interesting position over the last couple of seasons, right? Like they were viewed as a team on the rise that made the playoffs a couple of times. Conference finals too?
00:49:12
Speaker
Then John Tavares leaves 2019-20 in the bubble. They make it to the conference finals, losing to Tampa. Then the next year, they make it to the conference semifinals, losing to Tampa. And 2021-22, they miss the playoffs, and then last year, they lose in the first round to Carolina. And it's kind of been that frustration, I think, from that fan base of just them not being able to break through.
00:49:42
Speaker
And then this year, despite the fact that they're within striking distance of the playoffs, and it's not normally when you see a coach get sacked, Islanders fans have been furious with the state of the team. That comes down to pretty much one person, their general manager, Lou Lamourello.
00:50:07
Speaker
out of the year for life. Now, Lou Lamorello is one of the greatest.
00:50:20
Speaker
minds in hockey ever, right? Like he is. He is a three times Stanley Cup champion. He has experience in hockey. His team staff on Elite Prospects is insane. Do you guys know the first year in which he had a notable role with the hockey team? 1969. Correct.
00:50:50
Speaker
Fuck you, I was gonna say like 71. Now he just memes it. Bang! 1968-69, he was the head coach for Providence College in the NCAA, a position he held until 1983, when he then transitioned over to director of player personnel for four years. And then in 1987, he was named president of the New Jersey Devils.
00:51:20
Speaker
and served as, at times, president, CEO, and GM for the Devils. Again, from 1987 all the way until 2015. Basically the head of the dynasty.
00:51:39
Speaker
Essentially and was he I swear he did he coached he was the coach on a couple of occasions as well Like he had to fire a coach mid-season. He'd just be like fucking I'll do it Oh God the post lockout Devils were all trades. Oh my god Fuck it. I'll do it
00:52:06
Speaker
He goes to the Leafs for three seasons as GM, makes way for Kyle Dubas, and since has been GM and president of hockey ops with the Islanders since 2018-2019. That man's gonna die, like, during a game. I'm not even joking. I mean, yeah, he's like 80-something by now, right? 81. Yeah! Why is he still working, dude?
00:52:30
Speaker
You're fucking not have a pension? Like, what the fuck? You're in Long Island, man. Like, go to a beach. Just chill. I think he's waiting for the Florida position to open. Yeah, that's his retirement. Yeah, there were talks about, is Lou Lamorello past his due date before I was born?
00:52:57
Speaker
You know? And then... I turned 30 in a month, man. And obviously those talks persisted when he was there in Toronto. A lot of people just being like, okay, a lot of the moves that he had made and that the Leafs made at the time. And then...
00:53:22
Speaker
You know, for the Islanders, it's one of those things where it's like, man, if things are going good, you're just like, all right, whatever. He's a legend of the game. I'm sure he's old, but hey, we're doing well. But when a team is struggling or there's the sense of stubbornness, it gets to be incredibly frustrating. Yeah, right. His biggest source of stubbornness was the now former head coach of the team in Lane Lambert.
00:53:50
Speaker
Islanders fans were not happy with Lane Lambert for a while as the head coach of that team. Now, it is somebody who I think you could say was very well qualified. Second round pick of the Red Wings in 83, had some time in the NHL, played overseas a lot. And in terms of being the head coach, he worked his way up.
00:54:16
Speaker
Started in the W, then went to the AHL, was an assistant coach in Nashville, Washington, and then with the Islanders and then gets a shot as a head coach. But under his tenure as head coach, they went from being a couple of wins away from beating the Lightning to missing the playoffs last year and now at the time of his firing, being on the outside looking in of the playoff structure.
00:54:42
Speaker
People were ready for Lane Lambert to go. Yeah. And it's his first head coach and gig in the NHL. He'll get seven more. He'll learn from it. He'll learn from it. Yeah. Yeah. He'll have plenty of... He's not even 60 yet. He'll have plenty of time to learn. He's a whipper snapper, as Lou Lamourello would call him in the hockey world. So yeah, he'll have plenty of other chances.
00:55:06
Speaker
You know, you look now at the Islanders and just how bizarre it is to say that Patrick Wah is their head coach. Wah. It is fucking weird. You know, he was someone that was rumored for a long time to get another head coaching position once he left Colorado.
00:55:35
Speaker
And then after spending the last five years as GM and head coach of the QMGHL's Quebec Ramparts, the entire tenure, it's, well, when's he coming back and what team is it going to be for? You know, anytime Montreal had an opening, people are like, Patrick, come home. I can't do a Quebec accent. Endo, say Patrick, come home. Patrick, come home. Patrick, come home.
00:56:05
Speaker
Number one coach. You know how there's all those AI generators out there where it's like, oh, you can get like the undertaker to say whatever the hell you want them to say. And they're kind of wonky. Endo is my my AI chat translator where I just put what do I want to hear in this accent? Endo talk like Eki. Hello, I'm just Eki here.
00:56:52
Speaker
Oh God. So with Patrick law, right? Like right now, obviously nobody knows how well he's going to do as the head coach of this team. But, you know, he made headlines by being filmed in his first practice with the team yelling at people for doing shit wrong, which is the best.
00:56:57
Speaker
What do you want me to say?
00:57:08
Speaker
No, the best part about it was even that he was yelling. It was that he had no whistle, no nothing, doing like the whirp, like with his mouth. The mouth whistles and he wanted to do the drills. It was amazing. It was peak, it was peak French coach yells at stubborn children. And I'm like, he's probably thinking, God, these, these, the fucking ramparts are better than these motherfuckers.
00:57:33
Speaker
I thought he was gonna go full Roy Kent from Ted Lasso and just yell whistle because he can't whistle.
00:57:43
Speaker
I think my favorite part is the discourse on Twitter because there's there are some French players on the team, right? And he and I believe Patrick was says to I think it's who is it? Who's the French kind of teams like Samuel? Like Joy or whatever? Well Duke, yeah, Bull Duke says the bull Dukes fatal job like do your job in French and it's like why can't we be talking to him like that's like that's your coach wouldn't you want your coach to tell you to do your job granted it's in fucking French, but
00:58:10
Speaker
But the same way, that's his native language. If my head coach told me the fรชte dans job, and I understand, do your job, I'd fucking do my job too. You gotta set the tone, set the passion there. Apparently, they're trading that they only lasted 15 minutes. So if your coach is gonna yell at you in the beginning of the thing, like, set the tone, like, this is how I'm gonna be, this is what I'm gonna be if I'm not on your ass, then like,
00:58:36
Speaker
Fuck, man. And the players were saying they liked that. They appreciated that he was there to set the tone and tell him how he's going to be if things are going to go right. I'd rather have a guy like that who I'd want to run through a fucking wall for, rather than a guy who's going to pass him, just letting us do whatever. And it's Patrick Law. I got to find this video. Someone send it to me.
00:59:01
Speaker
Like he is a Jack Adams winner. He is a multiple time Stanley Cup champion for God's sakes. Like if there's any, like if there's anybody that can get away, like that's with it, right? Like that's the benefit of having a former player as a coach, especially if it's someone who's accomplished because there isn't a single player in that locker room who can have the attitude of I know better.
00:59:29
Speaker
In a way, I mean, I guess you could see like, oh, if I feel like he's out of touch or something like that. But, you know, I don't know if you're saying that about 58 year old Patrick Waugh, but I'm intrigued. Like there's a lot of people who have the viewpoint of like, oh, this could be a shit show or something like that. I don't, I don't think it's going to be a shit show. It might not be successful, but just because his last highlight was him and Bruce Boudreaux yelling at one another.
00:59:55
Speaker
And pushing down the glass. Yeah, shoving the the stanchion like between the benches. You know, just because that was his last highlight and he's a fiery individual doesn't necessarily mean I think it's going to go down in flames. But at the same time, if you were to tell me that, oh, Patrick was 10 years going to end because he decided to fight Matt Martin in the locker room, I also somehow wouldn't be surprised.
01:00:24
Speaker
So at least for the Islanders, it's different. And it's attempting to change something, which I'd say they needed overall. I mean, especially I know the Islanders fans that frequent the Twitch chat on a nightly basis. They are ecstatic over this change.
01:00:42
Speaker
Yeah. Sometimes any change is good. And then when you get a legend like that, that's going to give a big boost. And especially if it's a completely polar opposite coaching style or just a polar opposite vibe, that's what's needed
NFL Playoffs and Chiefs' Highlights
01:00:54
Speaker
sometimes. So best of luck to the aisles for sure. Now, you capped it off so perfectly there, but you said something I have to respond to. Talking about the style.
01:01:05
Speaker
I think that Islander's roster though was in a really good spot in that Patrick Waugh could take it whatever way he wanted to. Does he want the team to play more physical? They have the pieces to do that. Does he want the team to have a little bit more skill?
01:01:20
Speaker
I mean, I do think they have pieces to pull that off. Barzell, Horvat, Rock Nelson's underrated in his point production. You have Noah Dobson, a great offensive weapon, especially for the power play from the blue line. And while it hasn't been the best season, I do still think they have arguably
01:01:40
Speaker
one of the best goaltenders in the world. I think maybe you're looking at Connor Hellebach has reclaimed the title of best goaltender in the world. Sorokin, by the way, who was on the last year of a deal at four million before his extension of eight years at eight and a quarter kicks in.
01:01:58
Speaker
So it's interesting that, you know, it's like Patrick Wah, goaltending. I don't think he needs to help out the goaltending much. I think it's everybody else that needs to hand a few good things out. Like, you got the guy in net, you're fine. It's just, can you figure out everything else? So, there's that. Couple of other things here. Let's get back to a viewer question here.
01:02:21
Speaker
We'll segue away from hockey for a brief couple of minutes here as an intermission, so to speak, because Red's Rebels asks, who is the best story of the NFL playoffs and why is it the Detroit Lions? It's not the Detroit Lions, it is... All right, we'll let you guys go first. No, no, who is it? It's the Chiefs still, because Taylor Swift is bringing all kinds of new eyes to the sport of football.
01:02:48
Speaker
Do you guys know how many people watch the NFL on Peacock? Yes, like 26 million or some shit like that. Yeah, 27 million, I believe was the figure. A lot of people. A lot of paid platform. Paid fucking platform.
01:03:04
Speaker
That's not even all counting all the illegally streaming people. As much as people, Jesus, like there's the very, not, I'm probably big, but not as big as hopefully, it seems they are a portion of the fan base who hate the fact that a woman is enjoying sports or a woman is at in a sporting event and she's getting attention. Like that pisses them off.
01:03:30
Speaker
There was a tweet I saw during the Chiefs Bills game, which we'll talk about a little bit in a second, where someone's like, oh, you love that Travis's brother, Jason is not to say that's all Jason Kelsey is known for. But in that instance, it was, hey, here's the brother of Travis Kelsey supporting his brother in the stands.
01:03:51
Speaker
drinking shirtless. Yeah, hopping out of the box into the upper stands. Hell, yeah. And like cheering. That's fine. But Taylor Swift is shown dancing with Patrick Mahomes wife and some people lost their fucking minds. It's like, could you make it less obvious what you're trying to say here when you say that one's OK and one's not?
01:04:17
Speaker
There's a video of just Taylor Swift walking to like the arena and someone says bills by a thousand and then she blows a kiss into the crowd and she keeps walking by and people are living in the replies like look at us she's like making us all about her or whatever like dude she's just supporting her her man
01:04:38
Speaker
and enjoying a football. Isn't that the American dream? No, I know. To be a self-made billionaire, to have money and wealth and to be able to support yourself and to be stable and to enjoy football. I don't fucking know. I'm a Canadian. So isn't that what the American dream is? No. Because that's what it seems like it is. Not if you're a woman. Yeah, exactly. You have to be in a trad-drift barefoot in the fucking kitchen.
01:05:04
Speaker
and you have to have a social media, the most fame you can have is a social media platform while you do these weird things of what your security measures are while your husband is away. Oh my god, I saw that shit. I'm like, what the hell? You ever notice how they're always wearing all white in their barefoot? People suck.
01:05:30
Speaker
But that that that is the point, though, right? In regards to like, what do these people want or expect that? They also want to be coddled and not have it thrown in their face that somebody could be doing better than them from what they view is important. Fame, money, whatever. Yeah. And it's so wild that she's using the NHL for attention, but she's bigger than the NFL. Taylor Swift is bigger than the NFL. She's bigger than she's bigger than the sport of football.
01:06:00
Speaker
If you have the NFL hold a game in Thailand, but Taylor Swift holds a concert, who's putting more asses in seats? Yeah. Taylor fucking Swift. Yeah, it's nuts. You know the reason why the NFL's showing her so much? Because they need her. The NHL needs her. She doesn't need the NFL. The NFL needs her.
01:06:28
Speaker
because she's driving up ratings, she's bringing in a whole new audience to get invested in the sport of football. And if you're about the growth of the sport, if you're a fucking football purist, you should be about the sport growing and new eyes to be on it, to learn the sport. But it's not, there's this weird fucking gatekeeping mentality of people don't do it my way, the way I believe. And then those are the same people that call everyone else, you know.
01:06:57
Speaker
Communists and shit and authoritarian and Woke sorry, they call it woke. Yeah on a side note Charlie Arsenault previously of game over Ottawa for SDPN Which by the way, I'm looking forward to having on the show at some point I think I talked to Audie James as well who had done the Calgary ones We're gonna have those boys on at some point this season
01:07:24
Speaker
You know, Charlie put up a post. The UFC held an event in Toronto. Yep. This past weekend. And it's turning into a very right leaning sport. The UFC. No, I don't know what it was. I mean, it was, but it was never as brazen and brash about it as it is now. Huh? You come to the point where they're karting out Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson to sit cage side and putting a spotlight on him.
01:07:54
Speaker
Like that for like four years now. Being in Canada. Well, yeah, but I mean, four years is still relatively recent in their history. I mean, they've been around since 93. They held an event in Canada. And I find it funny that, you know, a lot of people there who are probably the ones that have the opinion of keep politics out of sports had no problem in mass chanting fuck Trudeau.
01:08:19
Speaker
No. Ironic, I'm sure. It's just a coincidence. It's fine. As a Canadian, I will say this. A lot of people really don't like Trudeau because they don't understand how the judicial system works here in Canada. That's all I'm going to say on that. Well, they don't understand how it works in America either. Yeah. So don't worry.
01:08:40
Speaker
or one in the same. You know, so obviously like last night was the Chiefs Bills game and a lot of people, ah, rigged for the Chiefs, rigged for the Chiefs. The Bills choked. They did, they choked. There were just too many big plays that didn't even involve the officials. Josh Allen threw the prettiest pass of all time last night. I showcased this on stream. He threw,
01:09:06
Speaker
The ball of dreams. I'll try to find it here and link it for you guys. Just literally the prettiest goddamn pass of all time that a supposed number one receiver couldn't catch.
01:09:26
Speaker
in the form of Stephon Diggs. There were other missed plays. They went for a fake punt on 4th down earlier in the 4th quarter. Yeah, that's me. That's what I do.
01:09:37
Speaker
I'm sorry, but like, it was the officiating bad, of course it was. Does it probably favor the frickin' Chiefs in some ways? Probably. But the Bills, the Bills blew it. I mean, it sucks that they blew it fuckin' wide right. That would be like the Patriots blowing another fuckin' Stanley Cup final in 13 seconds. It's like, oh, they did it again somehow.
01:10:04
Speaker
or getting reverse swept again like they were in 2010. It was a fun game to watch but they fucking choked. That's the only thing I could say is they fucking choked like they panicked and didn't want to leave my homes too much time left on the clock. They choked is what it is. Which you could call a story of the playoffs.
01:10:27
Speaker
The story is the Lions at this point, right? Because Chiefs, Ravens, Niners, and then Lions. One of those teams is not like the others, you know? And I'm all in on rooting for the Detroit Lions from here. I mean, given the fact that the other three have all won a championship in the last 25 years. I don't know. I'm going to vote for the best quarterback in the game.
01:10:56
Speaker
That's fair. You know, I want I want a really, really talented QB to be hopefully surpass the really, really pretty good one. That's the best with a lot of rings. I'm sorry. I can't help but throw barbs at Brady. He's he was great, but literally the best. Yeah. No, obviously homes there, though, he's fucking sick.
01:11:25
Speaker
I hope he goes to the Super Bowl 2 and loses to Detroit. There you go. We can both have it our way. Sin, you and I were texting a lot during the Niners Packers game.
01:11:39
Speaker
Yeah, you know, we've talked about that over the last couple of years, right? Like your NFL fandom wavering a little bit. But I got I slowly eased back into it over the course of this year, pretty much. Yeah. The whole Aaron Rodgers debacle, even though he's fucking gone and has been like it really soured that combined with just the fact that they just never.
01:12:03
Speaker
when he's in his prime, they did not build a team around him ever. Then they never drafted the retriever. Yes. God. We got Aaron Rodgers. Let's just throw a bunch of division two college guys out there. They'll be fine. You're not Belichick.
01:12:37
Speaker
They missed a field goal. And they failed to finish two drives early in the game. That's still the encompassing factor. There are two really shitty spots on balls. And do not get me started why we still use the spotting and the fucking chains to measure first downs. Holy hell, what year is this?
01:12:47
Speaker
What do you mean, Mike McCarthy isn't Bill Belichick? What do you mean?
01:12:58
Speaker
Every other sport we got, we're pissing and moaning that it's too precise in the NHL of these offside challenges. We get it down to the fucking pixel. And here's the NHL trotting out the chain gang in the year of our Lord, 2024. Where's the index card? Where is the fucking index card? Sure. But even if your complaint to the NFL. No, dude, I got to send a telegram. Ah, yes.
01:13:29
Speaker
If y'all carry your pigeon, the best way to contact. It was at least fun texting with you during the Packers game, even if it didn't go. Yeah. Jordan's got a lot to work on. He's got potential, but he.
01:13:48
Speaker
This is his first year as a starter though. I know and I think I said this on one of the last podcasts. I'm so jaded by just what I've had to watch for my team in the way of quarterbacks. You go from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers and then you're like, all right, who's the next guy? Oh, yeah.
01:14:09
Speaker
Ult fans went through it, although granted they got to go from Manning to Luck. And then even after Luck, it's like, oh shit, what do we have? Patriots fans are going through it right now in regards to, you know. I think we forget how good Bloodsow was too. That's fair. He wasn't like, I would say he was like a step below franchise. Maybe he was fucking elite though. The Patriots, this is probably their worst run of quarterbacks.
01:14:38
Speaker
in like 30 years because they went from obviously before
01:14:46
Speaker
There was Brady Bledsoe, a couple of different combinations in there in the late 80s, early 90s. But Steve Grogan was the primary guy throughout the 80s. And he's a pretty underrated quarterback in his career. He's a Patriots Hall of Famer, but I think he led the league in passing touchdowns in the late 70s at one point.
01:15:09
Speaker
So I mean, it's been a while since they and then even then like Doug Flutie was there in the 80s.
Ottawa Senators' Season Woes and Management
01:15:16
Speaker
Back when the forward pass was illegal in the NFL. You can't pass till third doubt, it's fucking illegal.
01:15:25
Speaker
God damn. It's been a while since the Patriots have had uncertainty in regards to the playoffs. That's for sure. Or the quarterback position. Certainly since the playoffs, they're going to continue to have uncertainty surrounding the playoffs. Don't you worry about that. Yeah, I think they got a little bit. I think they got certainty in the quarterback position. It's just you're certain that he's not fucking it. God damn it. Sorry, Mac. Sorry, Tukey.
01:15:54
Speaker
I'm keeping that Mack Jones jersey though. Mainly because the shipping would cost more than what I could get for the jersey itself. I'll probably get a jersey if he continues to develop. Don't jinx it too early. Do it! I'm gonna throw off my back foot. I'm gonna throw off my back foot instead of checking it down. God damn it. Anyway. Would have been a sick fade away though. You're not him yet. Damn it!
01:16:25
Speaker
He's on fire. He threw some dots in that game and then he just does shit like that. Young quarterbacks. I do for the most part, most of them. Yeah.
01:16:36
Speaker
There you go, everybody. Our weekly football talk segment, at least up until the NFL playoffs are over, because the NFL playoffs have been fucking awesome so far. And more interesting than most of what's going on in the NHL. To that point, the only other real talking point that we have that's of a modern, like currently ongoing situation is what's happening with the Ottawa Senators. Shane Pinto was back after his mammoth suspension.
01:17:06
Speaker
signed for the rest of the year at LeagueMin. And I'm sure he'll help out a lot for one of the worst teams in the league.
01:17:17
Speaker
The Sens are tragic this year. And a lot of thought was like, hey, DJ Smith, he's a part of the problem. He might've been a part of the problem, but he wasn't the only problem because they have statistically gotten worse in a lot of different aspects since firing DJ Smith. They are currently the fifth worst team in the league, only ahead of Columbus, Anaheim, Chicago, and San Jose.
01:17:44
Speaker
It'd be really cool if you like click on a team in the NHL app and it would take you to that team. Jesus Christ. OK, keep going. Sorry. The app is so fucking bad. So bad, man. And apparently TSN is reporting the senators are expecting Vladimir Tarasenko. Or they're expected to ask Tarasenko to wave as no movement clause. You know, we signed there for the year. There's a lot of talk about Jake Chikrin as well.
01:18:13
Speaker
This is a team that was viewed as like, oh, playoffs this year. We got to make the playoffs this year. And now they're talking about selling away pieces. They have some rough contracts in there, some extensions that they signed. Like there's some obvious ones to get traded, Tarasenko. Yeah. Um, if I was them though, I'd start looking at, uh, Shabbat.
01:18:44
Speaker
Shalom. Oh, like I think not Shabbat. God, why'd they have to get Hamanek to Shabbat? I think, OK, if you're going to make a change, go with a quarter piece. And there's a time when it was like you wouldn't think of like trading Shabbat hot Sam Bacho. But at this point, shit.
01:19:06
Speaker
I think it's gonna take something like that. I don't wanna see them make the Leafs mistake and fall in love with their core and keep running it back. Because something's clearly wrong with the vibes. What do you mean? The Leafs are fine. The core whatever number. The core four, five, six, seven. The core four under the floorboards with Harrison Ford. They're so young though. I think that's part of the problem is like,
01:19:34
Speaker
They're so young, I think they're almost, if there's a thing like too young and too much responsibility, too early. Maybe even too much money, too early. All right, who are their center men or what? Stutzla? Norris is listed as one, Ridley, Greg. Cap Friendly has their centers as Norris, Stutzla, Pinto, and Shark's Legend.
01:20:03
Speaker
Rourke Chartier. So we talked about when we were going over all the prospects about how like. Sanderman take a while to figure out how to win face offs.
01:20:20
Speaker
Um, but Dard, I'm sure has a horrible face off percentage, but he's going to keep getting played a center Matthews entered a league. Um, I'm pretty sure he was like 30% in the face off thought, but they Jack Hughes is still like sub 40%. Yeah. Like it takes a while to learn how to win face off, but sentiment or sentiment. The biggest problem I see here is like, who are these guys learning from? Hmm.
01:20:45
Speaker
Giroux did play center. I don't know why he's just like a full time winger now. He's never face off God to him when he takes draws. I don't get it. Why isn't put him at fucking center and teach those kids? It's I don't know. I think they're. It seems like they committed to the core.
01:21:05
Speaker
And then they're like, just like, okay, go do it. And I don't know, it just, something's wrong. Clearly something is wrong. And I wish I had the answer. I'm sure Sen's fan wish someone had the answer. Yeah, it's- I have a guess. Their defensive structure isn't great, but you know, goaltending can succeed even in spite of a bad team in front of them.
01:21:34
Speaker
It's been done before. Trust me, look up some of Aunty Ranta's numbers on the Coyotes. Oh, man. In like 2015 era. God. The goaltending this season for the Sens. Jonas Corpasalo, making $4 million for three years after this, has a 356 goals against average and an 887 save percentage. That's not good.
01:22:00
Speaker
Anton Forsberg, who makes 2.75 this year and next, has a 3.35 goals against average and an 8.89 save percentage. And then their young goalie prospect, Madge Sogard, has played two games, has a 4.58 goals against average and an 8.45 save percentage. You know who they need?
01:22:23
Speaker
They need AHL PTO superstar, Kazimiro Kaskasuo, who's got four wins, zero losses, 1.95 goals against average, and a 946 save percentage. I don't know. I think they need Elvis and Marzilikens. Just throw a lot of money at another gold tender. Yeah. There you go. Right? I mean, a cost-friendly option would be to grab a guy like Kaz off a PTO and sign into a contract. It's all those times of just...
01:22:52
Speaker
All those times are just giving up on goalies and going out and spending a bunch of money on another one. It's just haunting them now. They don't have the guy. They've never had the guy in such a long time, but geez. God, when's the last great Ottawa senator's goaltender? Honestly, it's Craig Anderson. That's fair. It has to be. And look how long ago that was. Andrew Hammond.
01:23:16
Speaker
Like, I'm even thinking when they made the conference finals like way, way back, it was fucking Gerber in net. Yeah, Gerber. Yeah, Gerber Hammond went on that fucking hot streak who retired last year. Yeah. Like they have such an up and down goalie history. Yeah. Yeah. Like in the past few years, since Craig Anderson alone, who last played in 2020,
01:23:40
Speaker
Hoggberg Decord, who's now killing it in Seattle. Matt Murray, Philip Gustafson, who's doing all right in Minnesota. Cam Talbot, who's destroying worlds in Los Angeles. Bunch of young dudes. But even before Craig Anderson was done, you had Hammond, but then you had Nathan Lawson. You had Robin Leonard, but then you had Danny Taylor. Look, I forgot about Robin Leonard.
01:24:07
Speaker
God. You had Pascal Leclerc, Brian Elliott. They have a really interesting goal-tending history. Fucking Channel Legends, dude. Pascal Leclerc and Brian Elliott. That's true. 2K10 Legends. We can all start. The real pizza gate.
01:24:31
Speaker
Well, we have an episode title. Oh, no, we cannot. But you know how many hits we're going to get from fucking crazy people? And then they're going to hear two seconds of us being pinkos and they're going to get a shit. Yeah. Listen, why not? I already got enough people on my ass. I don't need any more. OK. Fair enough. Yeah, the sentence. Final thoughts for me.
01:25:01
Speaker
You probably shouldn't- no disrespect. I don't- we don't want to be abusive towards the elderly. But Jacques Martin's 71 years old. Let him go enjoy a Cabo or something. Like, why would you have the answer? I would get a yellow bush for all the fucking young team. Right! Shit, bring back Guy Boucher, his frickin' James Bond villain-looking ass. Like, do something.
01:25:26
Speaker
I don't know if you want Craig Barube. I don't know if he's a fit for the team. Barbecue Bruce. Let him go back in. Bruce, there it is. Come on. Barbecue Brucey. Anyway, shout out to the signs. Couple other things to discuss here really quickly. We have three questions essentially.
01:25:47
Speaker
The first is a viewer question. It comes from Anton Roussel himself. It comes from Roussel, who's a big fan of Anton Roussel. If you could go back in time and prevent one trader signing an NHL history from happening, what would you choose and why? I feel like we can preface it by saying that we can make it more centric towards our favorite teams. Ah, no, no, no. Unless you got one league history-wise. Mm-hmm, I do. One of the odds should have told the Blackhawks no.
01:26:18
Speaker
Mm. I wish that happened so fucking bad. It was never going to happen. But oh, if I could, if I could undo one thing, I would have a full Eric fucking Lindras like, no, I'm not going to play for this team, this organization who covered up sexual assault.
Regrettable Trades and Sports Losses
01:26:34
Speaker
Are you kidding me? I'm the, I'm the best prospect since McDavid. I can't disagree. That is probably, that is probably the go to.
01:26:47
Speaker
Ando, did anything spring to mind for you? It's a lot to cover. The July 5th, 2013 signing of David Clarkson. Oh, don't touch his fucking water bottle, Ando. God. God, Toronto Sun was calling him Wendell Clarkson. God. His first fucking game was the Align Bro at the Sabre.
01:27:16
Speaker
Mm hmm. Or he jumped off the bench and got suspended. Yeah. In the preseason. And then Toronto was in love with him from that point on until they weren't. Same with Reece. You ever see that training camp video like Domi and Reece were like doing a little puck battle in the corner and smiling. Everyone fucking filled their jocks up.
01:27:36
Speaker
just tweeting about that, oh my god, it's the Leafs that never had this. They're gonna teach everyone to dig in the corners. And they fucking hate them two weeks later. What is happening? What's Reeves doing? He fought once in here. Ryan Reeves, by the way, who's in the headlines right now for insisting that he has been healthy for weeks despite still being on the IR.
01:28:04
Speaker
And being quoted as saying, I hate it that he's been healthy, scratched. And then something came out that I saw where apparently he can't play without having two braces on his knees. Yeah, he's got to pop his knees back in place and shit. Yeah, he's like, I can't play without my braces because if I play, I have to and I make a wrong turn with my knees. I have to pop my knees back in place. My brother in price. That is not three years, dude. Living is so ass, man.
01:28:34
Speaker
That money could've went to someone else. That money- Yeah, and I know there's people like, it's just 1.3 mil when you're against the cap for three years. When you're against the cap.
01:28:47
Speaker
You know, you had for that money. The fucking Klingberg signing. Sam Lafferty. You could have you could have kept. Oh, good. He's great. But I kept Lafferty. I think the only good sign he's had has been Dubois, but I mean, he's a he's basically been a fen. I mean, I'm sorry. Benoit, the other the other Benoit, not Chris Sierro Benoit and Simone Dubois.
01:29:18
Speaker
Fucking Frenchman all your name sound alike. It's too much. Oh, yeah, Nick So for me
01:29:29
Speaker
If I have a great answer like my initial thought as a Bruins fan was the Joe Thornton trade which by the way Jumbo getting his number retired by the Sharks. Yeah Talk about that already. We were going to we were going to the next thing I was gonna bring up but I figured I could mention Joe Thornton off of this so why not? Anything to mention specifically about jumbo sin
01:29:51
Speaker
Well, I try to think of something here. I mean, this was this was absolutely going to come. He is a goddamn gem of a player, gem of a human. One of the best players in the NHL of all time, despite the NHL's top 100 list clowns. Yeah. And what did so much for this franchise.
01:30:13
Speaker
Yeah, obviously we'd never won a cup with him, but his impact, it should say something that we're going to retire two players who never actually won a cups, but they had such a huge impact on this organization. It is just, you know, they were just, and jumbo in particular, man, just so good, man. Prime jumbo.
01:30:35
Speaker
I don't know if people can really comprehend just how dominant he was. He was never a great skater, he was never awful, but he was dominant. You could not knock him off the puck, and he had just visioned for days, and a hell of a shot when he actually used it. Obviously for me, the Joe Thornton thing.
01:31:03
Speaker
I wouldn't revert that trade. They didn't get as good of a return as they should have. It's a kevad. You're doing good. Wayne Primo, Marco Stim. Marco. Marco. You there?
01:31:29
Speaker
I wouldn't change it because it led to the Bruins having the big off seasons that brought in Savard, Chara, led to more time for Bergeron, Kessel, Creche, so that is what it is. Like, I wouldn't revert that. Yeah, I mean, the Badard thing. Like, all I can think about is from, like,
01:31:56
Speaker
how humorous it would be because trading wise, it's it's really tough, especially in recent memory. So I gotta be honest, I gotta be I think I got it. Oh, got it. It didn't say players.
01:32:16
Speaker
No, you know what? Never mind. I was going to say I was going to revert Columbus signing Mike Babcock. No, they just they deserve to sign him and now be bottom five in the league. They deserve that. Never mind. You go ahead and take you wear that L right on your fucking forehead, Columbus. I got nothing in regards to this. I'm intrigued to see what people can come up with, but. Colville Chuck to the Devils. That way, maybe the Thrashers stay in Atlanta because they keep their fucking superstar.
01:32:45
Speaker
Aside from that, I'm not sure. Oh, signing. Does that have to be a contract? I would stop Ted Turner's company from selling the Thrashers to the Atlanta Spirit who ruined the fucking team and got them moved to Winnipeg. There you go. Bam. There you go. Now, we mentioned some of our favorite aspects about our teams. We mentioned Thornton. I was gonna bring up Thornton because I saw a question on Reddit that I wanted to ask you guys.
01:33:14
Speaker
The question was, what is your, I'm never going to get over this loss as a sports fan. And I think this was asked because of the bills. Now for sin, I was going to say, Hey, Joe Thornton, but for the sin, for the, for the sin, for the sin, the sin, the sin, the sin bin podcast.
01:33:35
Speaker
Once you, once I just like, here, take this podcast. I don't want it anymore. As a sports fan, that encompasses every team that you voted for. I still imagine though, the sharks is like the biggest source of pain. And I would imagine it's sharks Kings from the mid 2010s. It's tough. There's been a lot of them.
01:34:02
Speaker
Um, cause you've talked about your history as a Packers fan. You've talked about your history as a fan of the Oakland A's. Yeah. There's been, there's been some heartbreaks in there. There has been thing about the A's that you can never be truly heartbroken because they were never fucking supposed to do anything. Packers. There have been some real shit losses and stuff like that, but yeah, it has to be the sharks just because of how dominant they were.
01:34:30
Speaker
Yeah, the reverse sweep has to be it because the Kings went on to win the cup. And that literally could have been the Sharks. It should have been. Yeah, you cannot lose four straight. Yeah, it's close. Obviously, the losing in six to Pittsburgh really hurts, but like at the same time, it's like that was the last chance and Thornton and Marlowe were not the same players they once were at that point in their career. They just simply weren't.
01:35:00
Speaker
and blowing it to the Kings like that with them in their prime, with the team that we had, with what happened, how the Kings went on to win it all. Yeah, I don't think I ever really get over that because it's, first of all, you get put in the fucking history books for the wrong reason. Second of all, the Kings, like I said, they went on to win. It's not, no guarantee the Sharks did, but like at the same time,
01:35:26
Speaker
That was a road that the Sharks could have beat. Ah, yeah. It's... Whew. Yep. Let it out, buddy. Let it out. I'm depressed now. There were so many heartbreaking playoff losses for the Sharks throughout all that time. They got more manageable, but they were all shit. Losing to the Blues sucked, and the Blues go on to win the Cup. I doubt we would have beat Boston, but yeah. Imagine that series.
01:35:55
Speaker
Yeah, I was so hoping for that. But yeah. Endo, you'll never get over this loss as a sportsman. Is it the 2013 Toronto Maple Leafs? It's not. This is going to come as a combo. It's a one-two punch because you'll understand in a second.
01:36:19
Speaker
This lovely, delicious, cold, hot combo. So, when the league restarted, back in 2020 because of COVID, there was the NHL play-in where the Toronto Maple Leafs played against the Columbus Blue Jackets, and they lost the final game in that series 1-0.
01:36:47
Speaker
Jack Campbell was crying because he said he should have done better Anyone of everyone on that team he took it he took it the most Not anyone on the core for not our fucking captain Missed on a wide open net hit the post wide open cage could have tied the game go to overtime Who knows what gonna happen over there?
01:37:13
Speaker
Then, months later, when they do the draft, for the number one pick, and Alexis Laffonnier, the Toronto Maple Leafs ball hits the fucking post inside the lottery draft ball. Like, inside there, hits the post three times, comes back out, and then the New York Rangers ball goes whoop, right up.
01:37:40
Speaker
Right up there that is a That is a moment that I will never forget as a Leafs fan Because we had a protected top 10 medieval insult and we would have had Alexis lafonnier if we didn't hit the post not only on the ice But in the fucking machine and I mean Yeah, maybe I don't know who knows maybe he would have been better maybe I think it would have been better
01:38:07
Speaker
Yeah, he would have been so much better in that system. Let's be real. For me, there's a couple of different ones to think about. Yeah, a lot. Yeah. I think it's going to be, but I'll see what he says. Well, I'll throw the wild card out there of of a Liverpool mentioned with
01:38:33
Speaker
The Steven Gerrard slipped, but I did get over that because Liverpool ended up winning the league, which is great. It's down to Bruins or Patriots. And then it's down to which ones? How could it be Patriots? They won so much. Eli Manning. Yeah, he owns them, but like you still won. Exactly. Or six.
01:39:03
Speaker
I could have been more. You sound like me pining about the Packers' quarterbacks. It should have been me. You sound like me pining about the Packers' quarterbacks at this point. 2007. One went away from a perfect season. The greatest season of all time. Tom Brady, Randy Moss. Every Patriots fan is full mast.
01:39:30
Speaker
and they lose because of David fucking Tyree with the most ridiculous goddamn catch. It's not the only reason they lost, but that perfect season. And I look at that as a source of frustration because there is a member of the only team to ever go undefeated and win the Super Bowl, which is the Miami Dolphins. They,
01:40:02
Speaker
grain it had less games to play and everything the Patriots actually that 17 and 0 had more wins they just didn't win the title and this son of a bitch pops up out of the woodwork every goddamn year mercury Morris like fucking a groundhog on Groundhog's Day whenever whenever the last undefeated team in the NFL loses he pops his fucking head up to be like still the best and then he goes away again fuck you mercury Morris
01:40:29
Speaker
I hate you. I fucking hate you so much. God damn it. I've never seen a bigger troll in their 70s than Mercury goddamn Morris. So that's the Patriots one. I fucking hate him.
NHL Trivia and Historical Insights
01:40:52
Speaker
Oh God. For the Bruins. There's a couple.
01:41:00
Speaker
It would have been the 2010 reverse sweep lost to the Flyers, but they won the cup the next year, so it's fine. It's down to two. It could be more than two, but there's two. 2013 against Chicago, or 2019 against St. Louis.
01:41:24
Speaker
And it's 2019 against St. Louis. Wow. Because in 2013... I would have thought you tried to avoid the recency bias. Okay. So here's how I'm viewing it. 2013 was only game six. If you flip that result and the Bruins don't blow it in 13 seconds, you go to game seven in Chicago, who the hell knows what happens? Maybe Yeromir Yaga races the Stanley Cup at United Center. It'd be amazing. 2019 was at home.
01:41:54
Speaker
the Bruins raising the Stanley Cup if they win that game in their own building. Yeah, that's true. You know, because like for the Red Sox, they win in 04, they won it in St. Louis. They win in 07, I'm going to sound like an asshole. They win in 07, they won it in Colorado. 2013 though, they won it at Fenway. And that felt different.
01:42:19
Speaker
You know, like the freaking Bambino curse being broken was special. Beat it. They beat the Colorado Rockies. Like the Rockies were good that year, especially Todd Helton, like a rookie, Troy Tula. But it's the Rockies. No disrespect. I like the Rockies. This is mainly because I like playing there and rode the show and launching 700 foot. Yes.
01:42:43
Speaker
Oh, man, I can't remember which road to the show it was, but you could get like a power that made every single fucking stadium like that for you. I had that all the time. Like, oh, my God, I was just I was fucking not even like I got to the point where I my guys decked out and I'm like not fully connecting with balls like pop flying them, but they would just go out. Yeah.
01:43:05
Speaker
Oh, man. Oh, shit. It's 2019 for the Bruins. Like, it's just different if you win that cup on home ice. I don't even... When? Let's see. When is the last time? I forget what year it is. The Boston Bruins won the Stanley Cup at home. I think it's the 30s.
01:43:32
Speaker
I can't find the time that they won at home. I think it was 41. Like, you know, them winning at home would have been something. And instead, 31 other teams get to enjoy Brad Marsh and Cry, which I totally understand you enjoying that, because that was the same look on his face was the look on my face when he went for that line change at the end of the first period.
01:43:58
Speaker
It's just, yeah, it's just one that you can't forget. And again, I've always said it, if the Bruins weren't playing the Blues, I would have been like, ah, cool, the Blues won the Cup, that's awesome. And it would have been a great story, but you know, you know. Anyway, we have fun. The final thing I wanted to discuss was there was a graphic out that showcased every team's last MVP.
01:44:26
Speaker
And I want to throw it to a quick little quiz for y'all to see how many you can get as a team, all right? As a team. So first and foremost, teams with no MVP award winners, Arizona, Calgary, kind of surprising, like the Neuwindykes, the Yginlas, the Keprasoffs.
01:44:49
Speaker
Carolina, Columbus, Dallas, Florida, Minnesota, Nashville, Seattle, Vegas, Winnipeg, and Ottawa. Most of those make sense. Yeah. Gentlemen, who was the last MVP for the Anaheim Ducks? Brian gets left.
BCHL's Independence and Its Consequences
01:45:10
Speaker
Nope. Close, but no.
01:45:16
Speaker
I have an MVP, MVP. These are all like a heart trophy, right? Heart trophy, yeah. Okay. Jay, I should care. No. We talked about him earlier today. Jonas Haylor. Corey Perry, really? Corey Perry. Wow. Lull. Is the duck's most recent heart trophy winner. You can call him a heartthrob. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Sorry.
01:45:49
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stuff. But yeah, Corey Perry won the award in the 2010 11 season, which is kind of nuts. Yeah, the Boston Bruins last MVP. Hmm. It's available. David posture knock. Incorrect.
01:46:17
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Damn it. Give me a hint. We talked about him on this show. Huh? It's Marshawn? Rat, Rathew, Marshawn. We talked. Joe Thornton. Joe. Oh, he won? Is it there? Oh no, because the year he came over the- Yes. Fuck you. That doesn't count. No. Shark. That's a shark award. Fuck you. Literally.
01:46:47
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Shark. Bullshit. No, that doesn't count. It's how they officially marked it down. I agreed that it shouldn't be. Kevin Bacon wasn't in Footloose. Nope. Nope. You lose. He also serves as the Sharks most recent winner as well. Yeah. The only winner for the Sharks. Honestly, it should have been fucking Carlson last year. Jesus. Probably. How do you make that team not last place?
01:47:15
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For the Buffalo Sabres. Any guess? Dominik Koshik. Correct. There you go. Who the fuck else would it be? 1998. Chicago. Oh, their last heart winner? Yeah. Gross. It'll be like Taves. No, it's got to be Kane. Patrick Kane. That's got to be Kane. That's got to be Kane.
01:47:44
Speaker
There's a clip running around that the Deadlock Wrestling Podcast has shared a lot. Is it the DX? It's Kane being introduced on like a SmackDown in 2001. But Lillian Garcia was doing the ring announcing, and somehow she said Kane, but it sounded like she said Steve. What? Because normally she'd be like, Kane! And somehow you listen to her, it sounds like she goes, Steve!
01:48:16
Speaker
He took my clip. Oh, that's incredible. Colorado Landeskog. This is fun. Colorado. Oh, their last MVP? Yes. Who's that guy who's like out for a while right now? Landeskog. Landeskog. Incorrect. He is actually no good for him. Yeah, it's crazy. Your hint. 2002, 2003.
01:48:44
Speaker
Ah, Joe Sackick. None of the fucking beautiful is better. And oh, oh, God, you want it. Oh, it's probably Forsberg, isn't it? Correct. Beautiful. Yeah, we did it. Or she might find for better. I mean, when I get red wings. Either they're fucking Lindstrom or Zetterberg.
01:49:16
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No, no, no, it's dark. No. What? What? Nineteen ninety three ninety four. Whoa, Stevie, why? No. Fucking Steve Stairs, I don't know.
01:49:39
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Who is it? In 1992, 93, Shanahan? He wasn't there at that point. I don't know then. Future Anaheim, Mighty Duck. Oh, New and Dyke. Sergey Fedorov. Oh, wow. I had never guessed. What are the odds that Detroit hasn't had an MVP in the last 30 years? That's wild. I mean, it makes it wild. Wow. It's insane. With Atsuks, Edderburg, Blitzstrom. Yeah. What the hell?
01:50:09
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Edmonton. Oh, that's easy. It's Connor McDavid. Correct. The fuck? The Los Angeles Kings. That's been a minute. I'm going to say Gretzky. Correct. Ha! Fuck you, Kings. You guys suck. You win by teamwork. What a loser. 1989 for Gretzky.
01:50:38
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Teamwork. Oh God. Fucking Maurice Richard. Like what the fuck? Kerry Price. Kerry Price. Number one. Yeah. I knew I knew they gave it to him for some reason. The price is right. The New Jersey Devils. Scott Niedermaier.
01:51:08
Speaker
I was gonna say Scott, I was gonna say Scott Stannard for some fucking reason. Scott Stann. Butt sucking. Your hint. The guy who wins. 2017-18. Oh, fuck me. Oh. 17-18. 17-18. Is it forward? Correct. Okay.
01:51:39
Speaker
Is he a father? OK, Christian, settle down. He's played for a variety of different teams. Oh, God, I got nothing. He is a teammate to a certain award. Yeah, yeah. Stupid Taylor Hall. Taylor Hall. Oh, yeah. So undeserved. So undeserved.
01:52:07
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The New York Islander. Sigmund Palfi. Can you imagine? I'm going to go and say Mike Bossy. Like, I don't think they've won it in a hot minute. I don't think they've won it in a hot minute. John Tavares. They last won it in 1978-79. Just before Wayne Gretzky would win eight in a row.
01:52:36
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Brian. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Bossy was a really good guess. Yeah, I knew that and one in a minute. The New York Rangers. New York Rangers. You're in a while, hasn't it? Nineteen ninety one ninety two. Oh, wow. Way before I was thinking leech.
01:53:08
Speaker
Good guess, but no. Fuck. I got nothing to pretend this was a cookie. That's a hint of some sort. It is. STPN viewers will know. Pretend this Stanley Cup is a cookie. I got nothing, dude. Mark Messier. I was thinking Messier. I don't know why.
01:53:38
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9192 for that. It's a chair preserves. The Philadelphia Flyers. Oh God. It's going to be someone ancient. Maybe not. Lindros. What did you say? Lindros. Correct. 1994, 95. Eric Lindros.
01:54:02
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Is it Ross or Ross? I've heard it. I always heard Lindge Ross, but so did I. But then I'm assuming if it's like any any sort of like accent on it, it'd be like, yeah, it might be the correct way. Let me know we're done. There's just one more thing we should talk about. I can fuck you. I'm having fun, Endo. Let me know when we're done. Let me know in chat what it is you want to bring up, because we are running late here. But I knew you guys did have fun with this early. This is the last.
01:54:30
Speaker
The Pittsburgh Penguins. Last part. Ooh, this is a trick, isn't it? That's recent. No, Crosby. Crosby's one of hearties, one of everything. But I didn't Malkin win it one year. And wasn't it more recent? I think. Because the last hardware Crosby won was the Maurice Richard. I'm going to say Malkin, but I don't think I'm completely right on that. Hill Castle. No, no, it's Crosby.
01:55:00
Speaker
In 2011-12 Evgeny Malkin won the heart trophy. In 2013-14, Sydney Crosby won the heart trophy. Fuck you! Fuck you! Oh, I was so... I was filleting myself. Get fucked, you asshole. This is why you watch the video portion, everybody.
01:55:28
Speaker
Get arms in the air! Goddammit, I haven't celebrated that early since, uh... Saturday. Oh, God. Hey, they got this field goal. Fuck yeah. Oh, shit. The Sharks, we already mentioned. Joe Thornton. The St. Louis Blues. Oh. Wayne Gretzky. Good guess, but no.
01:56:00
Speaker
Oh, I don't even know. Oh, I got to go back. This has got to be like early 2000s. Correct. Pronger. Correct. 2000 season Chris Pronger. It's on the cover of NHL that year. Mm hmm. The Tampa Bay Lightning. Mm hmm. But you're off.
01:56:27
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Correct. Oh, was it? When did he win it? Yeah. 18-19. Oh. Was only the second member of the Lightning to win it ever after Martin St. Louis in 2004. Yeah, I was going to guess him or Lacaville. I didn't think that this court doesn't want it. Okay. Interesting. The Toronto Maple Leafs. Austin Matthews won the heart. Correct. 21-22. Yeah. There you go. The Van Cooper Canucks.
01:56:59
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Only Canucks to ever win the award. Pavel Bure. No. Shit. And no for the steal. Wasn't this Dean? Maybe. Yeah, I guess which one? Who was better? Hold on, Daniel. I remember seeing this. Um, Daniel Cidin.
01:57:28
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Henrik Sadeem. Yeah, whatever. They wear the same jerseys anyway. It's fine. It could have been Daniel that season if they just wear the other jersey. There you go. I don't know. And the Washington Capitals. He's Alex Ovechkin. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's it. Damn, we're out. That's well. Yeah, that's it. But I feel like we can do more of that in the future. I have fun. You know, discovered that.
01:57:56
Speaker
I have a lot more fun talking about the past and stuff like that. I just like trivia. Yeah, I think we can find fun topics to talk about in the meantime. Endo, the story he was gonna bring up, I do think is one worth mentioning. I don't have much to add about it. But Endo wanted to bring up the issue going on in junior hockey right now, where the BCHL,
01:58:25
Speaker
was gonna bring in five AJHL teams next season. The AJHL has now suspended those five teams for the rest of the season.
01:58:38
Speaker
Endo your thoughts, because on one hand, I'm like, I get it. I understand it. On the other hand, I agree. It's kind of shitty. But it's just it's one of those like, yeah, hockey's fucking weird, isn't it? So one of the things one of the things to note here is that four out of the five four out of the five teams here are the top A.J.H.L. teams, notably the Brooks bandits who beat the absolute piss out of literally anybody they play.
01:59:05
Speaker
who some notable players from there are Kael McCarr and someone by the name of Aiden Fink who was drafted late last season to the Nashville Predators who's undersized forward. He had like 100 points, whatever, it was something ridiculous. So the big thing about this is not that the BCHL is growing, that's obviously huge. Last year, well earlier this year, the BCHL parted ways from the Hockey Canada Program because of
01:59:32
Speaker
stuff that was going on probably internally and having options to do stuff because it's very rare that a player from the BCHL would ever play for Team Canada. It very rarely happened. So what they then did was go private independent and they're now doing their own thing because the BCHL has historically been a feeder for the NCAA.
01:59:56
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And a lot of people may not know this, but if you are in hockey, Canada and you're playing major, major junior in hockey, Canada, you, you're, you're.
02:00:06
Speaker
Your options afterwards are kind of limited because once you play there, a lot of leagues see that as NHL development and they don't see it as a development league. They see it as an actual pro hockey. So if you play in the O or the C or the QMJ, you are not allowed to play in the... Excuse me.
02:00:28
Speaker
in the NCAA. There was an issue with that with a player who had some KHL time, who was going to sign over and play for University of Maine, but couldn't because technically speaking, he played the KHL for a couple of games and avoided his status as being a non NHL player, as a non professional player. And now he's in U-sports with Ryerson, AKA the RTM Duda.
02:00:51
Speaker
Exactly. He is probably the most prominent player to make it over there in a long time. This is the most prominent player to make it over there, especially because he is like a draft pick and he's a pretty high up on the list.
02:01:10
Speaker
Now it's huge here because you're a feeder for NCAA and other pro leagues. It's huge because there's not really much that you can do with Junior Ray in Canada because it's very rare that players have to get called to play for the national club. They do have the Junior Ray Championship, but that's very ever talked about or promoted at all within Canada itself.
02:01:37
Speaker
And yeah, it's going to be a big change because now players can recruit outside of. Usually there's like a limit for how many imports you can bring in for certain teams of Junior A, but now that they're going independent, they can bring in literally anyone they want, which is another cool thing. It's a big change? Yeah. It is a big change. Also, one of the clubs was scheduled to actually host the Canada's National Junior A Championship next year.
02:02:02
Speaker
You know, I would think it was the Ototox. I probably missed my notes on that. The Ototox Oilers. They were hosted, they were slated to host the tournament this year. Well, next year. And they'll have to find a new host. And it seems like not only was like last week's games postponed, but more games being postponed at the moment. And the AJHL has put out a statement saying,
02:02:23
Speaker
You know, teams aren't suspended or anything like that. Meanwhile, their games are getting canceled.
Farewell and Future Podcast Plans
02:02:28
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We're not prohibiting anybody from playing, but just for the 23rd, 24th, you know, Octox can't play. Sherwood Park can't play. And, you know, so you're not really suspended, but at the same time, you're not allowed to play your games until we finalize the situation.
02:02:43
Speaker
which is kind of harming the kids and their development. And they're getting caught in the crossfire, which is what they wanted to avoid. But that's pretty much all it is for junior hockey. Also, one thing to note is that because the BCHL left, the AHL, a lot of teams moved up from junior B and are classified as junior A now. So that also changed the whole giant thing over there as well. With that, everybody.
02:03:12
Speaker
It is. It is. A lot about hockey is a mess. But hey, that's why we talk about it. And we thank you for listening to us talk about it over the course of the last two hours or so. We will be back, most likely next week, unless some major news breaks. We'll have a secondary show later on in the week. But for now, EnduranceM, what do you have going on? I just noticed Titanfall 2 went on sale for seven bucks. Worth it.
02:03:39
Speaker
I'm looking into that because Titanfall 2 is great. Also, I have EA Play, so I probably have it for free. But yeah, I didn't stream today because I was cleaning up. I needed to do some more cleaning before hockey. But more streams are happening. I actually bought a Wii U off of my cousins because I'm just going to jailbreak because the online servers are off. And I'm going to play a whole bunch of games on it for fun, because I can. And I'm going to play Wii Sports Resort.
02:04:09
Speaker
Less hockey on my channel, more just... Honestly, whatever the fuck I wanted to be. I was doing... I was doing tier lists the other day with cake. It was fun. Yeah. Cake. Sin! What's up? I just started a draft glory franchise mode on my channel.
02:04:27
Speaker
And, uh, finishing uploading that fucking Finland tournament we did. But yeah, that's the main thing. And then, uh, yeah, we got to do some more parsec, like a franchise mode with more people on NHL Legacy, because that game's a blast. Yeah, we got a couple weeks before you're heading back over to Finlandia, if I'm not mistaken. So we need to, uh, to figure that stuff out, don't we?
02:04:52
Speaker
Yeah, so that other thing. That other thing. That co-op thing. I have a couple ideas for us and I'll text you. Well, there you go.
02:05:03
Speaker
With that, everybody, you can still catch me on a nightly basis on the streaming side of things, whether it's NCAA college football, maybe some parsec pals with the friends, maybe one game of e-shell before I throw myself out the window. Time will tell. For now, thank you for listening, for Sin, for Endo, for Steve. Steve, I'll see you all next week. Goodbye.