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What Can't You Believe The Most? - Tougie's Take Podcast (6/25/24)
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- While Cyn's away in Finland, Tougie & Endo are joined by Charlie from Game Over: Ottawa to talk all about the Florida Panthers first Stanley Cup win, the latest Hockey Hall Of Fame class, and the major deal between the Sens and Bruins!
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Reintroduction
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello everybody and welcome back. Can you believe it? Another edition of the tookie steak podcast. I also didn't think we'd be back this early It was just a few days ago ah that I put out a video saying hey, I don't know what the hell our schedule is going to be and Well, look at us. We found time and by we I mean myself endurance Mmm
00:00:28
Speaker
And don't worry, it's not Sin for the Win, but it is another massive hockey music fan with tremendously flowing hair.
NHL Trades and Busy Week
00:00:38
Speaker
ah It is our friend from Game Over Ottawa, previously of the SDPN, now as ah an an an independent status with Game Over Ottawa. It is our buddy, Charlie Arsenault. And Charlie, it is good to finally be able to talk hockey with you again. Yeah, we ah we had an episode planned for last season before things were cut a little short. um So yeah, this is a what round two of ah
00:01:07
Speaker
of the two of us talking in round one for me and then those that's pretty cool uh... yeah excited to to talk hockey and and you know maybe talk stuff that isn't just the sense which is going to be a nice change of pace for me well we will get uh... a decent amount of sense talk because obviously it worked out perfectly that uh... you and i had talked anyway about you being on the show and then hey what do you know of the bruins and sends pull off a trade ah that we'll, we'll bury the lead on and talk about that a little bit later on because there is a ton of hockey in general to talk about in what is maybe the busiest week in hockey history at this stage. Shout out to the NHL for having the season end on June 24th lead directly into the draft. But hey, it gives us plenty of stuff to talk about at the very least. and
00:02:04
Speaker
We gotta kick things off here. Normally we got some viewer questions in there. There is just way too much hockey to talk about. So let's get into it with, first and foremost, the biggest story in hockey, of course. ah Alex Meriwalt, no I'm joking, we don't have to talk about Alex Meriwalt.
Coyotes' Management Controversy
00:02:23
Speaker
So I will say, typically when there's news that happens with the coyotes, we have our good friend Deke Slayer on the show to talk about it. um We weren't able to schedule that today because as it is, this podcast was a short notice scheduling. and
00:02:37
Speaker
Hey, again, credit to the fellas here for making it work. ah But we might just have Decons sooner rather than later ah to talk about the coyotes and the Maroello move and him just outright ditching the team after a land auction cancellation and... My general thoughts on that. Because again, we don't have
Franchise Management Comparison: Panthers vs Coyotes
00:03:02
Speaker
to go too in-depth. And I was actually joking about talking about it first, but screw it, whatever, we're here. um The hope was he wasn't a snake oil salesman. And as it turns out, he was the snake oil salesman. They got monorail, 100%. He made so much more money out of it. And the whole clause were like, you can get your team back, but then we need the money that we gave you back. It's like, that's the that's a clause to basically get the hell out of town.
00:03:31
Speaker
Yeah. and There's so many things about that that move, not only just you know ah having the rights, having your son be the social media manager for that team. i like We can talk about it a little bit here, but when we have Deacon, he's going to basically go nuclear about everything everything that's wrong with there. Not even like the Shane Doan situation where the son's like, nah, I don't think he's good for leadership. It's like, my brother in Christ, you are the number one nepotism hire in probably NHL history. it's It's unfortunate. like Their fans don't deserve any of that that crap over there. It's sad. Again, it was one of those things where it's like, you you hope this is the guy to finally bring that stability. And i you on stream last night talking about the the cup final and everything, um I mentioned that the the Florida Panthers and the Arizona Coyotes are two sides of the same coin.
00:04:25
Speaker
Both franchises dealt with a lot of instability, dealt with consistent ah talks of relocate them to Quebec, relocate them here, and move them here. The Panthers found the steady ownership. They found the right front office pieces to direct that team in the right way, including some damn bold moves. as you know We're going to talk about the Panthers in a second, but you even think back to ah just the the balls of Bill Zito to trade Jonathan Huberdo when he did. um And it leads to a Stanley Cup and the Panthers
00:05:01
Speaker
Figured it out and the coyotes Simply never did even when you know, it looked like they were going to and it's funny because you say well They never figured it out.
Coyotes' Future and Fan Reactions
00:05:12
Speaker
Like obviously the team is still going right? So it's just not Arizona that's gonna benefit from it ah But now you have Utah that is very much gonna benefit from the fact that Bill Armstrong is a tremendous GM and they have ah by my calculations don't consider this a precise number a bajillion draft picks over the next three years is I believe that the technical term.
00:05:37
Speaker
ah For the record, it's their first round picks in each of the next three years. ah They have 10 second round picks over the next three years and seven third round picks. Not to not to mention other moves they can make. The only defense when they have under contract right now is Shea Weber. Correct. Which is going to bring up later on in the talk. It's the big game of Shea Weber. Oh, Famer Shea Weber, I think, Jimmy.
00:06:10
Speaker
That's a hockey club legend. Oh, that's some amazing. So you know what? Screw the screw the run sheet. We'll just run with it. But again, we'll have Deacon to talk more about how coyotes fans are feeling about all of this. And it's positive. People are very happy to see Marilla go, even if it means, oh, shit, we might not have to wait five years. We might have to wait and. There's more confidence now that when they get that team back, because they will, um as we've talked about throughout the history of the show, um that is far too valuable of a market to not have a presence in to try and grow the game. I e look at Auston Matthews, they would like more of that. um So again, we'll see how that goes. But you know what? Shea Weber was mentioned
00:06:58
Speaker
sha more sha whatever boy let me tell you a good canadian kid plays the game hard um just shot first ballot oh boy Charlie, as you've noticed, this is a very vibes run podcast. There's a run sheet. i see I believe I coined the phrase fraud cast because there's a list of stuff that we usually do talk about, but it's never in order. We usually cut back to the exact same things, maybe like 10, 15 minutes later. Usually I do because I'm I've ADHD. Um, and it's just, it's just a giant hodgepodge of a mess.
00:07:36
Speaker
yeah That's great. i i Everything goes off the rails ah on Game Over Ottawa when
Shea Weber's Hall of Fame Induction Debate
00:07:42
Speaker
I'm involved as well. So this is a good mix. This is this is really good. I go off on a tangent in like the wrong direction and I have to be pulled back in. So if we're all doing that, that should be it should be a fun show. Yes, it should be. um So the hockey hall of fame ah the latest inductees were announced today. yeah We could talk about the cup final later What's what's the big deal about the Stanley Cup final? um It's funny because this was kind of like oh shit I really should see if people have the time to do a show today because There's just so much to talk about and Shea Weber first ballot Hall of Famer as technically an under contract player to an NHL team
00:08:25
Speaker
Let me go over and we're going to go over the Hall of Fame inductees for this class. I'm going to read off their resumes here and you know, we'll kind of give our thoughts on on this. But first and foremost, even with Shea Weber, it's weird that an active technically ah an under contract player, even though he's retired, it's weird that he's been inducted into the Hall of Fame, right? Yeah. ah it A little bit. I mean, I think the other guy to be in the hall is Jager. Yeah, he says he's still an active player. He still is active with this team. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Shea Weber, ah second round pick in 2003. That 2003 draft is legendary for so many reasons. um his His resume is interesting.
00:09:17
Speaker
Of course, multiple time all-star, much like Jacob Truba, a Messier leadership award recipients. ah So look forward to Hall of Famer Jacob Truba in 10 years. um Funny enough, though, for Shea Weber, ah what's kind of crazy to me, right, is, okay, you look at, like, his career, like, WHL champion, ah world junior gold medalist, stuff like that. Um, multiple-time All-Star, uh, Olympic gold medal in 2010 in Vancouver. In terms of Norris trophies, 2011 finalist, 2012 finalist, 2013-14 finalist.
00:10:07
Speaker
Shea Weber never won a Norris trophy.
00:10:13
Speaker
He has no Norris trophies, no Stanley cups. Yet he's a first ballot Hall of Famer and I wonder how many other people that is applicable towards that happened to be in the Hall of Fame. I can't imagine it's many. Not a lot. You got to remember he shot a puck through a net that one time. So Look, his player type on Elite Prospects is heavy shooter slash two-way defenseman, all right? Well, I liked Shea Weber a lot. um I mean, there was a time where if you could say, well, who's the one defenseman you would want your team to have, it would have been Shea Weber at the top of that list. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:04
Speaker
But it's just very weird that, again, he never won a Norris, never won a Stanley Cup, and those seem to be requirements. Like, we're gonna talk about the Florida Panthers obviously winning the Stanley Cup. Sergey Bobrovsky. There were some people, the the entire argument about during this Cup Final was, is he a Hall of Famer? And now that he's won a Stanley Cup, the answer is absolutely yes, he is. But two Vesnas, potentially three, who knows, I think most people believe Connor Hellebach will win it this year. But, you know, two Vesnas wasn't even enough for people to say slam dunk nominee, yet Shea Weber did not need to win a Norris and definitely did not need to win a Cup. I mean, he appeared in what, one final?
00:11:48
Speaker
um Worth noting, by the way, let me see if I can find the winners, which is what I wanted to mention. ah So 2010-2011, he finished third in voting behind Nick Lidstrom and winner Zidane Ochara. In 2011-12, he finished third behind Eric Carlson and Zidane Ochara, who won that award. In 2013-2014, he finished third behind Duncan Keith and Zidane Ochara.
00:12:24
Speaker
So, so they know Char is making the hockey Hall of Fame. That's that's confirmed as if it wasn't already. But um I like it for Shea Weber. It's just it doesn't seem to line up with the consistency for what someone needs to have accomplished to have gotten into the Hall of Fame based on what we see.
00:12:46
Speaker
It's we're in agreement. it's That happens a lot. It's just it's really odd. Like if you made it, you know, for some reason, seven years down the line or something. And people are like, all right, yeah, I mean, sure. But ah first ballot is wild. it's Absolutely wild. Put Nika in the hole next to him. That's all I gotta say. You're gonna put this guy in the hole? You can put Nika in the hole. One for one, PK has got a Norris. Yeah. PK is more deserving. There you go. So you know yeah even, even not even as a player, even as a builder, with all the stuff he's done over and ah over in Montreal, the the kids, uh, what is
Jeremy Roenick's Controversial Hall of Fame Induction
00:13:26
Speaker
it? The, uh, kids' hospital over there, something that's outside of it as well.
00:13:30
Speaker
I don't know. I'm going to talk. I'm going to always talk good about the guy who I share a birthday with. It was my favorite defenseman growing up. So i mean I'm going to stick to my guns there and say, PK, put them in the hall. Forget it. Just put them in there. Worth noting for Shea Weber as well. um You know, career stats aren't everything, obviously, but In terms of ah his career totals, by the way, for the Coyote slash Vegas Golden Knights legend, um he did finish with 589 points in 1038 career games, which isn't, ah you know, which isn't too bad. i'm I'm looking up really quickly where he ranks amongst
00:14:13
Speaker
defenseman because I don't know how high up he is in that regard either. It's a weird one. It's a weird one. I like Jay Weber, but it is, it is a bit bizarre. He is 49th all time in scoring amongst defenseman. Pretty good. has Yeah. Like, okay, here are some of the names that are above Shea Weber in terms of all-time production. The old heads might remember Gary Gally, formerly of the Kings, Caps, Bruins, Flyers, Sabers. I mean, he played all over the place. Alex Petruangelo. I remember him. Oh, I remember him. No, I don't. Keith Yandell, Teppo Newmanan, Randy Carlisle,
00:15:05
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Has more career points than Shea Weber.
00:15:11
Speaker
and Incredible. Randy Carlisle only played, I believe, 17 more games in his career. So, and again, defense and defenseman, sure, it wasn't necessarily his role to always put up points, but it's just like, okay, he doesn't have the hardware. He doesn't have the point production.
00:15:30
Speaker
Endo mentioned this podcast running on vibes. Shea Weber made it into the Hall of Fame based on vibes. Yeah. but Next up, Jeremy Roanoke is finally a ah hockey hall of famer. First round pick eighth overall in 1988 to Chicago. um His resume Olympic silver medalists. Some World Junior success. Yep. that's that's that's about it um he does have 1216 points in 1363 games so the scoring is definitely there multiple time all-star one of the best american players ever
00:16:17
Speaker
So I'm not necessarily surprised to see him in with that point production. But again, it feels like we're in a new era with the hockey out of fame where they're starting to consider awards less important, whether at a team level with the Stanley Cup or even at an individual level. Because again, Jeremy Roanick, great player, but was never the best player, was never a finalist for an award. um Granted, voting was a little bit different back in the day, but still, it's just another one that's a little bit surprising to me, just because again, for the lack of awards. Another example of the Hall of Fame not necessarily being the Hall of Good People,
00:17:04
Speaker
as well because he was fired by NBC because of his anti-straight discrimination. I don't know if you guys remember that one. Yeah, so he has a controversy section on his Wikipedia. That's never good. that's that's never good um Let's go over a few of these. um It starts off, Ronak's openness has often led to controversy. This is never a great way to start. um During the 0405 lockout, he addressed certain fans that perceived NHL players as being spoiled. Ronik told these fans to kiss my ass and accuse them of being jealous. but a crime Following the loss of a season with the labor dispute,
00:17:52
Speaker
He found himself at odds with the Philadelphia Flyers claiming to have been suffering from a concussion despite Flyers doctors ah Clearing him following his exit physical He was fined or now he was suspended for one game and 0 3 0 4 for throwing a water bottle at an official ah He claims he was blackballed by USA hockey for not being included on the 06 Olympic roster, um which, by the way, bringing old people to the Olympics didn't work out for Canada and 06 either. So the USA had the right idea. Jeremy Ronak. He said that in 2009, Mike Babcock was biased against American players, um which, you know, not the reason to hate on Mike Babcock.
00:18:37
Speaker
by any hate on Mike Babcock is a good reason.
00:18:42
Speaker
um Oh, goodness. ah February 8th, 2006. The Star Ledger reported that Ronak had been identified as one of several NHL players implicated in Operation Slapshot, which was created with the intent to undercover a nationwide gambling ring. um It was the second time that Roanoke had been investigated for gambling while a part of ah the NHL. Uh, he was, uh, arrested for driving with the suspended license in New York in 2017. And then what Charlie referred to, uh, December of 2019, he was suspended by NBC for comments about coworkers Catherine Tapp and Patrick Sharp at Anson Carter during an interview on the s spit and chiclets podcast. The comments included joking about having a threesome would tap and, uh, NBC fired Ronak after his suspension ended in February of 2020.
00:19:37
Speaker
He's an interesting guy, that Jeremy Roanoke, but he is also a hockey Hall of Famer. That's just a fact. That's just undisputable fact. Straight up fact. Hall of Fame might be 0 for 2 so far. Let's see if they go 0 for 3. It's not great. Next up, Hobble Dotsu. OK, here we go. Yeah, we're good. There will be no disagreement about us. Um, sixth the round pick in 1998, four dots. So he is a part of the triple gold club, winning Olympic gold, world championship gold.
Celebrating Pavel Datsyuk and Women's Hockey Inductees
00:20:14
Speaker
Uh, he is of course a two time Stanley cup champion, a three time Patrice Bergeron. I mean, Frank J. Selkie trophy winner. Um, he is one of the most influential players
00:20:29
Speaker
of the last 30 years in hockey um and at the NHL level 918 points in 953 games again while having that reputation of being one of the best two-way players he was nearly a point per game in his career and of course he you know, left the NHL at a time ah where he still could have played. Like his last five years were spent back in the KHL leaving the Red Wings in 2016. He could have easily continued to play another couple of years at the NHL level. His final year in Detroit, 49 points in 66 games.
00:21:09
Speaker
ah Again, I don't think there'll be any disagreement about this. I mean, Pavel Datsuk, should be a Hall of Famer. He has the team's success, the individual's success, the production, the ah positive reputation. No denying Pavel Datsuk is the first like, okay, yeah, that person should be in player that we've seen so far. Absolutely. Yeah. No doubt. or
00:21:37
Speaker
So, see, here's here's the trouble we run into sometimes um is i I pretty much hit every point and it just kind of leaves Endo in a spot where he's like, yep. Yeah. ah Yeah. good Good work. Good work, team. Thank you. Great work. One solid clap. Next point. Let's go. Next. Next up, ah we have ah the The two women that were inducted, and of course, obviously in the aftermath of this, don't look at fucking Twitter comments is all I can say. when um Because we're going to tell you why ah these two are rightfully in. ah First up is k Chrissy Wendell Hole, who?
00:22:21
Speaker
one-time World Championship winner, a five-time ah silver medalist at the World Championships for Team USA. Obviously, we would constantly go back and forth with Team Canada. She has an Olympic silver medal, an Olympic bronze medal, two-time NCAA champion. She's already in the US Hockey Hall of Fame. And, you know, this is one of those players that did not have the proper stage, right? Like we've already seen the likes of Hailey Wickenheiser, Cammie Granado, players like that get their opportunity. These were the next ah women in line and really, you know, Chrissy Wendelpole was a part of the US teams that went against the likes of Hailey Wickenheiser for Team Canada.
00:23:05
Speaker
um We've talked a lot about it with the PWHL, where hopefully that is the establishment of the league and you know the league that continues on and on. You get to see the best women's players in the world. They are consistently, and you no longer have to have these moments of who is a Chrissy Wendell pole, when in reality, like yeah, she was a stalwart for Team USA ah for a decade. roughly, and again, a very important player, one of the best of her era, that never had the spotlight on her all that much, especially when you consider like the focus, at least in the US, on the women's hockey side of things, really started to get more of that spotlight in 2010. And she last competed in the Olympics in 06 for Team USA.
00:24:01
Speaker
So that kind of aftermath of moving on from like the Wickenheiser era to that next era that really started to get a lot more attention and appreciation ah with the Hillary Knights and the Marie f Philippe plans of the world. ah She was before that, and she is ah an important player to remember. And in the same ah breath, there's also Natalie Darwitz, who is also now ah in the Hockey Hall of Fame. three-time world championship gold medalist, five-time silver medalist, two Olympic silvers and Olympic bronze. She's in the IIHF Hall of Fame, yeah two NCAA titles as well. She's in the US Hockey Hall of Fame um and is also an alumni of the University of Minnesota. These two played on the same team, which is incredibly impressive.
00:24:53
Speaker
um And again, similar, Darwids played a little bit longer. She did participate in the 2010 Olympic Games, ah where she had 11 points in five games, by the way, ah for Team USA. so Obviously there's gonna be a lot of people out there who are just like who and ignore those people It's called inform yourself because there were some great great players um That again just didn't have the the proper stage or spotlight that people should be thankful is starting to be even more established now Thank you for coming to my TED talk
00:25:29
Speaker
it's ah It's like very bare minimum, so I shouldn't even be like, you know, patting them on the back for this. But like, can we just take a second to appreciate that they actually use both slots for women this year? Yeah. It's always one. So about fucking time, like, you know, like, again, bare minimum, I shouldn't be patting anyone on the back, but like, just, I think it's worth noting, hey, we finally get to see two women in the inductees this year. So hopefully that just continues on. Cause like, like you said, there's a whole bunch of unsung heroes for, for the women's side of the sport that really need to be, you know, more of a household name, I guess.
David Poile's Legacy with the Nashville Predators
00:26:10
Speaker
And then we get to the final two, ah both in the builder category. First up, we'll go with the the proper one. That being David Poyle, ah who most people, of course, would know as the Nashville Predators. ah He was the guy, essentially, for the Nashville Predators ah from day one. Now, his history, ah in terms of and NHL front office work, because he did technically play in the NCAA at Northeastern back in the 60s, his first listed job on Elite Prospects, 1977-78, an assistant general manager for the Atlanta Flames.
00:26:54
Speaker
which is how long this man was around. um He was a part of their move to Calgary before eventually going to the Washington Capitals as general manager and vice president of hockey operations from 1982 to 1995.
00:27:14
Speaker
takes a couple years off and then gets executive vice president of hockey ops and is the general manager of the Nashville predators that would eventually be promoted to president of hockey ops in 2007 2008 and was with the Nashville predators Up through this year, Ranady stepped down into a senior advisor role as you had Barry Trotz take over, ah but he has been with the National Predators since day one, and that is another organization that had no certainty of working.
00:27:50
Speaker
very similar to, I mean, you know you had the Southern expansion in the 90s of the the Tampa Bay Lightning, the Florida Panthers, Nashville as an expansion team just before 2000, Hartford being relocated to Carolina. And it's genuinely a miracle that the only team that didn't make it through happened to be the Atlanta Thrashers, not only because of where they were, ah but because the expansion rules at the time were absolutely horrific and incredibly difficult for anybody to navigate. Especially with Nashville, you are talking about an expansion draft.
00:28:37
Speaker
Where? Oh, man, some of the some of the names, some of the players and some of the names. Let's let's go over this really quickly. um Just just to kind of personify or not personify, but just to kind of explain why ah Vegas or Seattle, it was easier ah for them. That is because Nashville had.
00:29:04
Speaker
I mean, just so few decent names to take. um They took Mike Richter from the New York Rangers. That's good, I suppose. um They were able to get Thomas Vaucon from Montreal and then outside of that, you know, like Ally Afraidy, who was old at the time, who a croop was a part of that expansion, ah Andrew Burnett, who was there for a long time, Greg Johnson, Scott Walker, but then for guys like that, you had Denny Lambert, Jeff Daniels, not the actor.
00:29:40
Speaker
Patrick Cote, Paul Brousseau, and other notable alumni.
00:29:49
Speaker
um it It was rough. It was a very rough way to start off with a roster like that and to be able to make it work. And I mean, hell, there was the 1999 expansion draft the year after with Atlanta and then Columbus and Minnesota shared an expansion draft in 2000. ah There were some growing pains and obviously you know when talking about Minnesota um They've made it to one conference final. That's about it Columbus made it to the second round once Atlanta made the playoffs once and got swept Nashville's made the cup final
00:30:29
Speaker
ah Nashville's easily had the most success of any of those teams that were added in the late 90s, early 2000s. And David Boyle's a big, big part of the reason for that. So again, I don't think you'll see any people being like, how the hell did David Boyle make it? So he was he became AGM for the Atlanta Flames in 77. So outside of those two years he took off from 77 to 2023, he was an AGM or GM the whole time. Yes. Like that's insane. Like you just, that's are you ever going to see longevity like that again? You know? Especially when, you know, a lot of it was spent in the U S it's only the Canadian GMs that never get fired. There. So the final inductee is easily the most controversial.
Colin Campbell's Controversial Induction
00:31:27
Speaker
That Colin Campbell who some people will know as the a father of former Bruin and Florida Panther Gregory Campbell and others will know as the NHL senior vice president of hockey ops between 1998 and 2011, a role that he took over after being an assistant coach with the Red Wings and was the former head coach of the New York Rangers. He took over for that team after they won the Cup in 94 when Mike Keenan departed. So ah he does have a very interesting history. He does have a Stanley Cup ring as a ah as a coach. That said, there's a reason
00:32:18
Speaker
why a lot of people don't like Mr. Campbell. To get it, to cover this reason, here we go. Why not? On November 15th, 2010, to get the context here, TSN and various other media outlets reported on a string of emails from Campbell. The email correspondence became a matter of public record in a wrongful dismissal case of referee Dean Warren against the NHL and the emails were entered into evidence. Although specific references to names and dates were blacked out, in these emails, Campbell calls Boston Bruins center Mark Savard, quote, a little fake artist.
00:32:58
Speaker
after Warden assessed Campbell's son Gregory, a high-sticking miner, on Savard, and sending further emails to director of officiating Stephen Walcombe, complaining about the work of referees who gave Gregory a late-game penalty that resulted in a tying goal. In a follow-up interview with TSN, Campbell admitted that the email content was inappropriate, but no one told me, or maybe told you five years ago, that you can take your emails and read them all. I will repeat that. Campbell admitted the email content was inappropriate, but no one told me or maybe be told you five years ago that someone can take your emails and read them all.
00:33:44
Speaker
Despite the controversy and the admission of inappropriate content and accusations of bias, the NHL posted a strong backing of Campbell on their website, and he continued in their role as Senior Vice President until stepping down on June 1st, 2011. He was replaced by Brandon Shanahan. He stepped aside just prior to his son playing in the 2011 Stanley Cup finals.
00:34:07
Speaker
Yeah, I did it. What you going to do? What you going to do? Huh? Nothing. You got nothing.
00:34:17
Speaker
That is the least. At least he's a CTE denier, you know, like on top of all that, like check off the boxes. Just just all the boxes. Yeah. Unbelievable work. Unbelievable work by the committee on this one. um Sick League. yeah ah yeah just a Sick League, dude. oh There's another bit here, by the way. During voting for the 2016 NHL All-Star Game, career enforcer John Scott was leading fan voting as the captain of the Pacific Division. In a piece for the Players Tribune, John Scott revealed that one NHL executive attempted to shame him out of competing, asking how his children would feel about his participation. It was revealed many months later in a Twitter tirade from former player Steve Downey that Campbell was this executive. So if you take Steve Downey at his word,
00:35:14
Speaker
Colin Campbell, the no fun police for John Scott in 2016. It's not even enough, like if that actually happened to be like, oh, I don't think you should be there. How would your kids feel? Pretty fucking good. My dad's in the All-Star game. Are you kidding me? My dad won a car at the All-Star game. My dad almost fought Patrick Cannon in the All-Star game.
00:35:40
Speaker
In retrospect, he maybe you should have done it. Yeah.
00:35:46
Speaker
Look, it's it's not surprising to see someone with this connections to the NHL like Cole and Campbell make the Hall of Fame. um But yeah, there's there's a reason why people view that as like, just no great way to phrase this. Just fuck that guy is essentially the attitude from the vast majority of people.
00:36:08
Speaker
Last note on the Hall of Fame, ah the players who didn't make it, there's there's a few.
Alex Mogilny's Hall of Fame Snub
00:36:14
Speaker
Patrick Eliash has quite a ah bit of support, but the big one, surprise, surprise, it's freaking Groundhog Day. Alex Mogilny snubbed again, and it's incredibly rough to see Jeremy Roanick, Shea Weber make it when you could argue, especially in the case of Shea Weber, that they have inferior resumes to Alexander Mogilny.
00:36:42
Speaker
Um, again, Olympic gold, where a triple crown winner, right? Olympic gold, world championship gold, yeah world junior gold, Stanley cup champion. Um, you know, his part of being one of the big defectors from CSK and Moscow coming over to the Buffalo Sabres, 1,032 points in 990 career games. It's absurd. It's absolutely absurd. And, uh, Goes against common sense, but hey, a lot about hockey in the NHL goes against common sense, doesn't it? There's one thing the NHL hates.
NHL: Best Sport, Worst League?
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It's common sense. Yeah. Simply put, not nothing else. No notes. Everyone says it, and like you know it just we're repeating it all the time. Best sport, worst league. Yeah. 100%. 100%.
00:37:42
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Well, we'll get to the positive that they so desperately needed in the aftermath of a season of horrible officiating, even worse, DOPS decisions or indecisions, a hockey Canada scandal that resulted in numerous players being suspended ah pending a trial or other findings and a legal proceeding. um This was what the NHL needed and they so desperately
Panthers' Historic Stanley Cup Victory
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got it. It went from being called the worst Stanley Cup final ever to one of the best as the Florida Panthers avoid the arguably worst collapse in sports history?
00:38:19
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And they do not get reverse swept in the finals. They win their first ever Stanley Cup in seven games on home ice in what was an incredibly entertaining game, an incredible atmosphere to go along with it. ah Again, this this was just what the NHL so desperately needed to end this season with. And and ah as far as the game itself, any notes, gentlemen, aside from I mean, I just sum it up as it was a fantastic game to watch. Yeah, I think out of all the game sevens that there could have been that was probably one of the best recollection. That game could have gone either way the entire way through, you know,
00:39:03
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Florida getting up, getting the upper hand and then less than two minutes later, everything ties the game. Uh, the perfect like set screen in the third period there, they get a shot on goal. The second, I think it was second period. They they scored the yeah go ahead goal. Yeah. Second period. Just, you know, have a guy in front trailing in just put up a nice pick in front. Beautiful. I will say one thing. Edmonton did not adapt in the third period. They just kept running ISOs for McDavid. And I'm like, you can't just rely on ISOs for a guy who's 10 minutes left. Nothing you got to do better. Obviously, you got to do better than win the cup. But you have to adjust on the fly right there. Maybe that's just you know Chris Noblock not really adjusting on the fly, realizing what to do. I'm not going to go too in depth. I'm not an NHL coach. But that was one thing that I definitely saw is they were trying so hard to keep it. you know Just have him do everything because he's your guy. but
00:39:58
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he He was he wasn't something he wasn't present. ah They shut him down really really well Not only just in game game seven, but game six like both games. He had no points going into it and It's cause for some controversy, you know with um the the cons might voting and you know them submitting the points in for McDavid or I think it's what ten minutes left in the second you have to submit your votes and Yeah, something like that. And up until that point, it should have been Connor McDavid. But at the end, when Bob Rossky was shutting the door, that's like so such a 50-50 moment for voting there. Could have gone to Bob, could have gone to McDavid. You you really can't go wrong either way.
00:40:43
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We were going to talk about that anyway, so we can talk about it now. um Conor McDavid, despite the loss, became the sixth ever consmite winner from a losing team, the first since JS Jaguar in 2003. The voting was nearly unanimous. ah The ballots were released today. The only person to not have McDavid in first was Ryan Clark of ESPN, who had Bobrovsky first. Um, it's worth noting Barkoff was the second place finisher and in third place was all over the fucking place in terms of for Hagee, Pabrovsky, Barkoff, Forsling, Stuart Skinner, Jim Matheson, by the way, of, you know, Oilers coverage voted McDavid Hyman Bouchard, the fucking dickhead. Um,
00:41:31
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The most rigged voting I've seen since a ah ah reporter covering the Habs left Jerome McGinny off their MVP ballot entirely so that Jose Theodore could win the heart in 2003. Which was tremendous, by the way. um The whole McDavid thing. um You know, first and foremost, in regards to the game, Knoblock took some heat for that and just running the top players into the ground down the stretch and also very conservative with the idea of pulling the goaltender. And they got Skinner out of there a bit too late.
00:42:12
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ah But time on ice for game seven. ah Evan Bouchard led all Oilers skaters at 27 minutes and 43 seconds. i His pairing mate, Ekholm, at 2607. Connor McDavid, 25 minutes and 42 seconds. High minute, nearly 25 minutes. And dry title at about 22 and a half. um They ran McDavid into the ground 2542 compared to Sasha Barkoff who only skated for 20 minutes. You can look at the time on ice in this game seven and I'll leave the link here for you guys and chat if you want to look at it too. um The time on ice says it all. The Florida Panthers had the depth.
00:43:00
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They had the guys to throw out there to give those top, you know, players a break and they had confidence in those players. Whereas, you know, the Oilers, you had Derek Ryan just under seven minutes. Perry just under eight. Ryan McLeod at nine minutes. Dylan Holloway at ten and a half. You know, it's it's one of those things where You know, outside of the the fourth line, I believe, for the Panthers of Stenland, Okposa, Lombard, who were all at nine minutes or under, everybody else played 14 minutes. um You had eight players for the Oilers play under 14 minutes last night.
00:43:45
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The Panthers just had the depth and the Oilers strategy was just keep throwing McDavid out there until the wheels fall off, which isn't inherently the worst strategy to throw the best player out there, but even the best player in the world has a breaking point in terms of his effect in this and just when there's not there's nothing left in the reserves to give, right? and ah Tando's point because like I said, we'll talk about unless you guys have anything else to add just feel free to interject We're gonna talk about like the Florida perspective and everything like that. But endo kind of mentioned how solid and close of a game this was ah We haven't had a close game seven in like 15 years the last game seven of the cup final was 2019 the st. Louis Blues won that for one outside of the first period
00:44:29
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Toast. The Bruins were toast. ah Everyone remembers the Brad Marsh and poor line change and from that point on GG's game over the Blues dominated the rest of that game. 2011. Bruins beat Vancouver 4-0 in game 7. Like ah it wasn't close. The Bruins dominated that game. um 2009, we had Pittsburgh and Detroit with a 2-1 final. The crazy finish at the end, Marc-Andre Fleury making last-second saves. That was a great finish.
00:45:01
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um And that was that was kind of a trend, right? Like 2006, 3-1 Carolina over Edmonton, 2004 was 2-1 Tampa. um So it had been a little bit since we had seen a really close kind of competitive game seven, which only added to the ah the fun of the experience as a neutral. It must have been a fucking nightmare to be a Panthers or Oilers fan last night during the course of that game.
Playoff Reflections from Fans
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That's one thing I don't miss, being a Sens fan is like being stressed while watching hockey. That's like the one thing that like, the one upside to cheering for an awful team. You guys made the playoffs in seven years. Anyway. Um, God, it's seven now already. 2017. So last bit of playoff action was Chris Koonitz, huh? As a Die Hard, Sens, and Blue Jays fan, I haven't seen one of my teams win a playoff game since 2017. So I'm having a blast. oh but no yeah as as like you know i mean I was cheering for Edmondson because I had them picked for my brother's playoff ah work pool that I do for him. And if they had won, I would have won the whole thing.
00:46:16
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but other than that you take that out of it I was like a pretty neutral watcher um and yeah it was like I mean most of the playoffs in general were fantastic for someone just watching hockey for the sake of it not cheering for anyone in particular um Yeah, that final, like like you said, it went from like one of the worst to like best finals in years. um just you know Between game three to game seven, it completely flipped and was just so, so fun. um I am one of those like lame people who's like, I want to see McDavid win the Cup. I know the whole like argument is like, If you're cheering for Edmonton because you're Canadian, you're stupid. If you want McDavid to win the cup because he's McDavid, you're stupid. it's ah Anyway, I am one of those stupid people. I think McDavid should win. I want to see him win soon. um Where was I going with this? It was fun as a neutral viewer ah just to be able to watch this. like The whole series was great.
00:47:14
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Yeah, that's that's it. and End of sentence. i I lost it in the middle there. Charlie, I see a little bit of you and myself right now, you know, constantly going on tangents, not even just like on the podcast. Just when we're playing games, I'll go on a tangent and they're just like, Endo, are you done? I'm like, no, I still got something to go. You're like, no, you're done. Trust me. I believe a ah podcast that I watch called it an Irish story where you just go on and on and on about randomness on top of everything else. So, you know, my, my, my heritage, my, my live, like, I guess has trickled down and made my speech and see, see, I'm doing it right now. Yeah, but it's, it's been, ah it's been crazy to watch. I was going to say as a blue G S fan, completely derailing his home card
Toronto Blue Jays' Disappointing Season
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conversation.
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I just saw something where Vladdy said he apparently might want to go to the Yankees because he, because baseball is a business. And I'm like, holy shit. What the fuck? He's always said he would never play for. So yeah, it's over. Are we that bad? Are we the baddies? Like what's going on? For the, uh, for the record, I, uh, I saw this too. Um, When speaking Monday with a Spanish outlet before a Blue Jays game against the Red Sox in Boston, Toronto first baseman Vladimir Garro Jr. Seem more receptive to donning the pinstripes if traded to the Yankees after saying in 2022 he'd never play in the Bronx, not even if he was quote, dead. He then, he has now since said, I'm a worker, I'm a professional. If I get traded there, I'd go out on the field and play. See, clearly people in Toronto didn't
00:48:59
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it didn't didn't like that comment and he said he talked to his dad and realized uh yeah he shouldn't he shouldn't have said yeah the quote what playing in Toronto does to somebody yeah i've i've done on twitter i think jorda chicelli used to work at tsa he does the media relations for the CFL shouts with her she's like holy fuck we're cooked it's not even funny The Jays are dead last and the ALEs with a 35 and 43 record. What are we doing? Granted, we have been on a seven game losing streak. No one's gotten fired. We have guys who are hitting like 315 on like 15th game stretches, sitting on the bench.
00:49:38
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Like, what is going on? The ghosts of Charlie Montoya's fucking bongos are inside that locker room, and it is fucking Rapa Tum Tumming all over us right now. It's bad. It's like, it's it's not even Jover. It's it's mega Jover, dude. We're we're but like death calling like one of Jover. It's painful. Yeah, it's awful. I still have nightmares about that 2021 team that missed the playoffs by a single game. That would have been the team, honestly, as silly as it is to say that like the one team that missed the playoffs at the last four seasons was the one it was.
00:50:18
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It was Simeon and Vlade both finished an MVP final finalist voting. Robbie Ray won the Cy Young. Like that was the, this is a hockey show. Sorry. This is a hockey. No, it's a, it's a podcast. Told you it's a podcast. I mean, the hockey is over anyway. Let's talk about baseball. Let's talk about how our our team sucks. And sogie who are you a fan of again? I can't remember. It would be the Boston Red Sox led by one Jaron Duran. Yeah, we all suck. It's okay. We suck right now. It's great. It's great. Red Sox are over 500 baby and in a wild card spot. Look out for now. Jay's blew that lead yesterday to the Red Sox. No, it was bloody hit like a 457 home run or wherever the fuck it was over the green monster on top of another building. Let's just talk about that. Yeah, man. He's going to hit so many on that short portion of New York now. Fuck. Oh yeah.
00:51:17
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Anyway, so for the Florida Panthers, sometimes you just you just kind of let them go. You just got to let them go.
Florida Panthers' Future Prospects
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ah For the Florida Panthers, Sasha Barkov becomes the first Finnish captain in NHL history to raise the cup, which is awesome. um I watched like every player interview on ice that I possibly could. I was just like totally wrapped up in the aftermath of it. um The the peak the pinnacle was Matthew Kachuk um on both the yeah ESPN side and the Sportsnet side yeah ESPN side. It was just really nice Although Emil Emily Kaplan's caught a lot of heat. I don't know if you guys saw this Matthew Kachuk It's just I just can't believe it and she goes what can't you believe the most Oh
00:52:04
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Look, oh it's a high pressure situation to try and make the conversation flow. I'm not going to take shots at her, but Jesus Christ. What can't you believe the most? Just put a fucking... I can.
00:52:24
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It's a double kachuk. Yeah, his Sportsnet interview was so much better, though, as he caps it off. Shout out to my fans in Calgary. You know, I couldn't let the Oilers win. but yes Oh, way to win back the favor of that fan base that was devastated by your departure.
00:52:50
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Like, this is no other way to put it. I mean, he unless you're an Oilers fan, that's a good shock. came off so well in those two interviews. um Just tremendous. And again, it was awesome to see a lot of those guys like Kyle Pozo get interviewed. um And there's so much about the team. And we'll talk about the team specifically in a moment in terms of like what's next for them. But then you also talk about, you know, Bill Zito. And I mentioned, you know, the job he's done is building the team. And um
00:53:22
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he He's done just absolutely incredible work since the fall of 2020. I mean, he has been one of the best, if not the best GMs in that timeframe. So to see him with the cup and he was getting all teary-eyed because his dad was on the ice with him, that was a nice moment. Seeing Roberto Luongo with the cup was a great moment. You know, again, every time people are like, oh, aren't you upset? It's like, no, man, I would have been rooting for the Canucks in 2011 if it was anybody else but Boston. It was awesome to see the long go. ah One of the the best of his era, a hockey all of Famer get his cup. But the pinnacle of like, oh, man, ah you know, for as much as you can hate playing against that team in terms of being happy for that team, Paul Maurice. And I think what clicked for me last night was like,
00:54:15
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there are but There are certain teams that I think some people find it difficult to feel happy for and it's because they're so expected to win and they're just this juggernaut of a team. um You know, outside of Pittsburgh, unless you were um a fan of a rival team, most people were rooting for the Sharks. Most people were rooting for the Preds when the Penguins went back to back because the Pens were just this fucking juggernaut. Same with the Tampa Bay Lightning. Just this juggernaut of a team where it's like you can respect the greatness, but at the same time, it's like, well, of course they fucking won. Look at them. The Florida Panthers are a tremendous team.
00:54:56
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But they looked human at times throughout this postseason. And I think that's what clicked for me in regards to like why it was easier to feel happy for them. Like they take out Tampa in round one, they beat Boston in round two, which sucks for me, but it's still a good win. They beat the Rangers, but then in a lot of ways, I think them being up three nothing and then going to game seven would have endeared them to a lot of people. ah just in terms of, you know, their fight and their drive to just get the job done at the end. And it summed up so perfectly with Paul Maurice. I said it last night, and I was thinking about it more today, and I stand by this. um I'm very biased towards the Ray Bork Stanley Cup Rays because, you know, of just being, you know, growing up as a Bruins fan, my dad's favorite player and everything.
00:55:50
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You know, and I still just think in general, it's very tough to beat that. Like there have been some all time Stanley Cup raises, you know, Konstantinoff getting it ah in 98 with the Red Wings, you know, after his accident or you look at, you know, Rod Bryndamore's is an all timer. Ovechkin's is an all timer. I mean, there's a lot of good ones. But for a coach, Paul Maurice raising the cup and not even like looking at it. like It felt like ah the fucking Breakfast Club putting his fist in the air at the end of the film, just raising the cup, not even looking at it. and You could see like the the weight of the world coming off his shoulders because he finally won it. It's a fucking Alzheimer. His interviews after the fact were awesome, especially his one with Sportsnet you know mentioning that his dad's name is going... yeah know The last name of Maurice is going...
00:56:45
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on the cup alongside the the greats that you know his dad's favorite players and stuff like that like just a fucking all-timer i don't know how someone couldn't be happy for paul marisa and then he shouts out i hope the jets get one next like jesus put paul marisa in the hall of fame today what the fuck yeah like a 30-year career like dudes always had some sort of role and like as a coach That's a guy who I'm surprised he isn't currently in the fucking Hall of Fame. I guess now you have a cup to his legacy and they might might incline and put him in next year or something like that. He's going in. He's he's absolutely. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:57:27
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His history, by the way, um he got injured when he played for the Windsor Spitfires and ownership yeah or the management above him gave him an option. but Retire and become an assistant coach or we'll trade you because just the roster construction. So he became an assistant coach with Windsor. eventually becomes assistant coach and then head coach of the Hartford Whalers during the 95-96 season, stays with that organization through 2004, becomes the Marlies head coach after the 05 lockout, becomes the Leafs head coach, goes back to Carolina, spends a year in the KHL, and then goes to Winnipeg.
00:58:07
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in 2013-14 mid-season is with them up until ah nearly the beginning of 2022 and then yeah just what he's done with the Florida Panthers and everything he's been the perfect coach for that team in the direction that Bill Zado has taken them so that's been awesome and In terms of what's next for the Panthers, $19.5 million dollars to spend. um A lot of UFA forwards that they have to try to figure stuff out with. ah Nick Cousins, Lombard, Steven Lawrence, Kyle Ocposo, Sam Reinhardt's the big one, Kevin Stenland, Vladimir Tarasenko, with Anton Lundel as an RFA, Defense, RFA, Josh Mahora, UFAs of OEL, Kulikoff, and Montor, and Anthony Stolars as a UFA goaltender.
00:58:54
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They got money to keep some of them, but certainly not all of them. The big ones are... You gotta think Reinhardt and Montour take up most of that space. Just between the two of them. Yeah. I... I would think that's the approach, right? Is to pay them and take a little bit of a hit in terms of what depth you might be able to get. But that's also okay because you're only paying Sasha Barkov and Matthew Kachuk a combined 19 and a half million dollars.
00:59:26
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Like the Leafs are spending more on Mitch Marner and John Tavares. Currently. For an example. To bring it back to the Leafs as always. They still have one more year of Sam Bennett and Carter Burhagey at a combined eight and a half. Rodriguez and Louis Derainen, three million each for the next three years. Ekblad's got a year left on his deal, Forsling is signed forever. Like they are in a really good spot to keep that team together and to still make another run at it. It's just, it's crazy. Like just the turnaround that the Florida Panthers have had.
Edmonton Oilers' Season Review and Future Challenges
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From the Edmonton perspective, um obviously they became the first team in 78 years to force a game seven. They did fall short.
01:00:14
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um We talked about Conor McDavid getting the Khan Smyth Look the Khan Smyth trophy as it is worded. I am going to read this description verbatim in terms of who it is awarded to The Khan Smyth trophy in French trophy Khan Smyth is awarded annually to the most valuable player of his team during the Stanley Cup playoffs It is not the final only. It is the playoffs. I understand that Connor McDavid was held without a point in the final two games. But at the end of the day, there are now only two names in history that have ever had more points than him in a single postseason. That is Mario Lemieux and Wayne fucking Gretzky.
01:01:08
Speaker
I get it. Barkov was phenomenal. Bobrovsky, while inconsistent, showed up when the team needed him the most. But Jesus Christ, like, it was Connor McDavids. And nor do I think you can blame him for not wanting to go out there. No, because no like it's not about him at that point. He's the captain of his team in the locker room with his team. And I swear to God, most people just wanted him out there so that they could meme his sad face. because he would have been, and it's funny, because, you know, I made this joke last night and then I watched ah Steve Dingle's Cup Check today, um and he mentioned it too. You look at the picture of J.S. Jaguar in 2003 getting the con smite, and he is literally the world's saddest man, and people wanted Connor McDavid with that face so they could meme him to death. And you cannot convince me otherwise, that's why people are like, oh, that's poor sportsmanship. Fuck that. He made the right decision.
01:02:07
Speaker
And again, JS Jaguar, when he won it, he didn't even bring the trophy back to the locker room. He got the trophy, didn't even take off his fucking gloves to get it, goes to the back and hands it to an assistant trainer or just leaves it on a bench and then goes back into the locker room with his teammates because that's not the trophy any of them wanted. Nobody grows up saying, I want to win the Khan Smyth. No, you want to win the big one. That you're there to win. Nobody gives a shit about that trophy if you lose. like That's yeah unless and especially to in this situation. Imagine because look, you never know. Imagine that this is Connor McDavid's only shot. Imagine if he never wins one. That trophy will be his sleep paralysis demon for the rest of his life.
01:02:56
Speaker
Like you're never going to want to look at that trophy ever unless you end up winning one. And then you can be like, OK, well, I guess it's kind of cool that I won this. Although if he wins a cup, he'll be the frickin one to get the cons. Anyway, more than like so. The the whole Conor McDavid discourse to me was incredibly stupid. Yeah, I think it's it I mean, it should be unanimous. The fact that he won the cons. He broke a Gretzky record on the way like through the playoffs like that's You know, once, once, I mean, eventually, I mean, I guess it's up for debate whether not he's going to do it, but like after Ovechkin potentially breaks the goal record. Also crazy to think that like we could see two Gretzky records broken within the span of just a few years, but like when's the next one that's going to be broken, if ever like.
01:03:44
Speaker
It's a huge deal what McDavid did through the playoffs. So, um you know, I understand Panthers fans who want everything. They want everything. All the rewards should be from my team. My team won. Cool. But like, no, McDavid is on another friggin' planet. Like, he's so, so good. And I just... If Oilers fans want any any hope after all this, um Ken Holland's gone. He might, you know, McDavid might finally get the supporting cast he needs. So in talking about the Oilers, it's weird because everybody can look at their roster construction and actually you know it really quickly before that. To the point of breaking a Wayne Gretzky record, how many people have a Wikipedia page dedicated to their career achievements?
01:04:41
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because Wayne Gretzky does. List of career achievements by Wayne Gretzky is its own fucking article. That's amazing. For the record, upon his retirement on April 18th, 1999, he held or shared 61 records, including 40 in the regular season, 15 in the playoffs, and six in the all-star category. As of today, 24 seasons later, do you guys know how many records he still holds or shares? He retired with 61. How many does he still have? 59. I was going to say like 57. 57 on the dot. Well done. Wow.
01:05:30
Speaker
Four records have been broken. Connor McDavid has broken one of those records. Ovechkin will likely break the goal scoring. um It's insane. And again, the record that Connor broke was for 31 assists in the playoffs. He held that record for 36 fucking years, man. like I don't get how any of this is a debate just because, oh, he went, he went pointless. um I don't get it. For the record, because it's fun to talk about, ah the other records that were broken, by the way, obviously Connor McDavid was the most recent one.
01:06:10
Speaker
Prior to that, ah March 21st, 2023, Ovi broke Gretzky's record for the most 40 or more goal seasons with his third time. Right. That's right. Yeah. In the second round of the 2022 playoffs, Leon Driscidal recorded 15 assists to break Gretzky's record of 14. um I think that was at that point in the playoffs like how fast he recorded them. I think was what it was um It doesn't go into specifics, but dry saddle broke a record
01:06:42
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um Gretzky's record of 12 All-Star assists has since been broken by Ray Bork with 13, Mark Messia with 14, and Joe Sacking with 16. And then Gretzky's record of 15 regular season overtime assists has now been surpassed by 40 players. um Patrick Kane is the current record holder with 26 assists in regular season overtime. Yeah. um That's it. Those are the only records that have been broken at this stage. um And also Gretzky finished his career with a 1.921 points per game average. um At the time, Mario Lemieux held the record at a 2.005. After Lemieux returned from 2000 to 2005, his average fell to second place. ah So had Lemieux not returned, he would have that record, but Gretzky got it back.
01:07:36
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um And then there's ah ah numerous unofficial records. as it's it's It's ridiculous, basically. So, yeah. One, Conor McDavid deserved it. Two, it wasn't poor sportsmanship, but being a nerd. There you go. um Now, you mentioned the departure of Ken Holland and it could not have come soon enough because he was the worst possible choice for GM of that team at this given time.
Oilers' Roster and Contract Decisions
01:08:05
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Oh, yeah. um First and foremost, shout out to Corey Perry. I mean, at least the next GM probably won't have to deal with him, who has now lost four of the last five Stanley Cup finals.
01:08:15
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um Which shout out to do it is seriously if it wasn't for 2007 he'd be viewed as the most cursed player in sports history It's it's absurd um But it's really weird because Edmonton Heading into the season, there was still just so much that you could view as like, okay, this is a roster construction flaw. And even with those flaws, they, by the way, just set the record for the highest PK percentage, or at least the net PK percentage of 98.6, which is the highest in history. um With the top penalty killers in order of PK time being CC, Nurse, Deharnay, Ekholm, Yanmark, Nugent Hopkins, Brown and Derek Ryan. That's...
01:09:00
Speaker
The first, that stat followed by those first two names you mentioned are, that's nuts. That's wild. Well, that's the thing, right? Like you look at that defense and it's like, cool. Nurse and Cece, huge part of that defense. And I won't be surprised if it comes out that Darnell Nurse was injured as hell because otherwise, oh my God, and is that going to be one of the worst looking contracts in the league? Mm hmm. um Cody Cece had a tremendous assist on the Oilers only goal of game seven, but man. Oh, yeah He's still just so stupidly inconsistent The acquisition of Ekholm was great and he was great alongside Evan Bouchard But here comes problem number one or whether or not Ken Holland stays or whoever the hell takes over um Evan Bouchard has one year left at 3.9 million and then he's an ah RFA that dude
01:09:54
Speaker
is getting so much money. Yeah, so much double digits at minimum. With the salary cap going up, I would imagine that's the case. and The only argument against it is, oh, Kale Mccarr is only making $9 million. Yeah, that's because fucking Chris McFarland is a space wizard. Like, it doesn't make sense as to how that contract, and fairness, actually, it was Joe Sackick who signed into that extension. It wasn't even McFarland yet. Joe Sackick is a space wizard for getting Kale Mccarr at just $9 million per season.
01:10:31
Speaker
Um, good luck trying to get Bouchard for less than that. It's more than likely going to be more. Um, again, like nurse CC, like Brett Kulak's fine. They got Broberg as an RFA, Deharnay and Stetcher, both UFAs, they're probably gone. So, do you have the biggest issues on defense moving forward into this upcoming season? Maybe not, but certainly after that season, at the end of 2024-25, What the hell are you going to do because Evan Bouchard has to get paid a shitload of money? Goal tending. It feels like the most obvious thing in the world. They have to buy out Jack Campbell.
01:11:13
Speaker
Spent basically all of the season in the minors, he's getting paid $5 million dollars per for three more years. They do have Skinner at 2.6 for the next two, and then Calvin Pickard's a UFA. They absolutely have to do something about Jack Campbell and the buyout calculator, by the way, for Campbell. It doesn't look that bad, actually. It's okay, shockingly. um I believe the buyout window starts like tomorrow or Thursday, I'm not sure. It's either today or tomorrow, I think, yeah. There you go. um So his cap hit, again, he is on a contract of $5 million dollars for three more years with a modified new trade. The cap hit would be 1.1.
01:12:00
Speaker
2.3 2.6 and then 1.5 for three years after Savings over the next three years would be 3.9 million 2.7 and 2.4 and then technically 1.5 You know that you're not saving but hey he's off the roster so It gives them quite a bit of breathing room if they move on from him to get the depth that they so desperately need because, forward-wise, Sweet Christ is my initial response to what that situation is. RFA, Dylan Holloway. UFA, Connor Brown, Sam Carrick, Warren Fogel, Sam Gagne, Adam Henrique, Mattias Yanmark, and Corey Perry.
01:12:49
Speaker
Not to mention, you have one year left of Leon Driesseidl at 8.5 million. That man is getting paid no less than 12, if not higher. You have two years left of Conor McDavid at 12.5. That man is getting no less than $15 million. dollars
01:13:17
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i I don't want to say like their windows closed already because they lost here, but Jesus, like what they have to navigate over the next couple of off seasons. And I get the idea of people being like, oh, Leon won't leave, Connor won't leave. You don't know for sure. Yeah. With Leon Drycital especially, that guy has had such a contentious relationship with the media who have just decided to go after him seemingly at every fucking turn. Like, yes, oh, we you know, he's okay. He's lived in Edmonton now for a decade. He, you know, was probably close to guys in that locker room, whatever. Maybe another team can pay him more money.
01:14:01
Speaker
Maybe he wants to go to one of these teams with no income tax in a no income tax state, whether that be fucking what Vegas, Dallas, the Florida teams that are always talked about Nashville, Nashville's up there. ah Dude, you know, fucking Nashville would love him. Jesus Christ. You just that um like imagine how much he makes on the open market a year from now. Like it's even if he doesn't put together like, you know, an MVP level season, like say he I don't know what you I even like what you'd even call a down dry side of the year. Say he puts up I guess technically this year kind of because he barely broke 100. So he puts up 105 ish again.
01:14:44
Speaker
You know, he's going to make so much, so much money. Like, you know, the highest AAV, right? Like, you know, immediately. Next office is. Yeah. um The rumor is for Travis Connect me on the flyers. of a six year deal at like nine million. That's travis connect me is rumored to potentially be getting nine million. Dry side is getting 12 or 13 bare minimum. Oh, yeah. You know, and that's from the Oilers, let alone open market. You just don't know. And the thing is, you can never say never. Right. I mean, Wayne Gretzky didn't stay with the Oilers his entire career. He also didn't go back.
01:15:29
Speaker
Could have gone back after getting traded. You didn't go back. um You just, you never know. There are not too many players. I mean, Christ, we we made the memes 10 years ago about Detroit. What the hell is Mike Madonna doing here? What the hell is Daniel Alfredsson doing here? You know, you just, you never know where certain players are going to go, especially now, you know, the financial situation is changing. The cap is finally starting to go up again, recovering from COVID. ah You just don't know. And it's... It's going to be a rough time to be an Oilers fan because of essentially the depression of losing the Stanley Cup final. Um, even though, and I mentioned this on stream last night, like my wife of all people who was a very casual hockey fan because of me made this point, like getting swept would have hurt more than losing in game seven because getting swept is like, Oh God, we're, we're just not that good. Are we?
01:16:22
Speaker
We got fucking shit on. As opposed to now you get to leave that series saying, we're we're good enough. We could have won it. We can do this. But how much does that matter when it comes to what team a GM is able to put together? How much money you're able to pay somebody? We've seen the struggles of the Maple Leafs finding their roster balance, paying their guys the big money. We've seen the success that Tampa had because they didn't have to pay all their guys the big money and now, hey, all of a sudden they're handing out those contracts and oh shit Tampa doesn't look like Tampa anymore. Like that is the NHL nowadays is trying to win before your big names hit UFA status and you have to pay them the big bucks.
01:17:08
Speaker
You have to take advantage of those early RFA years and win then. Otherwise, there's a good chance your stars are going to go somewhere else.
NHL Draft Speculations and Trades
01:17:17
Speaker
Look at the Buffalo Sabres. Look at how many players have left the Buffalo Sabres in recent years and won cups. Jack Eichel, Sam Reinhardt, Kylo Pozo. There's a hell of a lot more, by the way. Ryan O'Reilly. Ryan O'Reilly. I hate to mention that one, but yes. You just never know. yeah And for that reason, I think the Oilers are by far the most intriguing team to look at um in the next little while here, just because like every team has their intrigue. but like
01:17:49
Speaker
Do they consider trading Dreyseidel and getting something for him now? I mean, the thing is, we don't even know who the hell the GM is going to be. Like, is yeah they making that change this soon? Is Ken Holland going to run that draft and then be replaced? Like, I don't know. Who's to say? Oh, man. I mean, not a whole lot of a draft to run. They have one pick in the first four rounds. Mm hmm. So. That being said, yeah. Yeah, that's a rough spot. So, Stanley Cup final itself. Awesome. The injury moving forward might be even even better just for those reasons.
01:18:30
Speaker
ah In terms of the intrigue moving forward, by the way, I'll bring this up first in regards to the draft because I think we'll have more to talk about when it comes to trades. The draft is this week. It's this Friday, which again is weird. um Very much looking forward to it, though, especially now more after the trade that we're going to talk about here shortly. um But the biggest thing is hopefully ah we have seen the end of the Russian factor being considered in hockey because ah yeah one year after being drafted Matt Veymichkov is coming over to play for the Philadelphia Flyers and of course at the top end of the draft this year there was another Russian in Ivan Demedov that is in consideration and
01:19:19
Speaker
Yeah, we'll see if anyone's dumb enough to let him fall to number seven, ah like teams did for Michkoff last year, um which... Good for the Flyers, but how many teams? are going to regret that. Are the Coyotes slash now Utah going to regret taking Simashev? Are the Habs going to regret taking Reinbacher? um I don't know if the Sharks will regret taking Will Smith because he was fucking awesome in the NCAA. And then obviously the top three of Bedard, Carlson, Fantilia all played in the NHL last year. right But man, Philadelphia, it worked out so, so well for them. And hopefully that doesn't happen again. but
01:20:00
Speaker
um My intrigue for the draft, aside from like, hey, the draft is always interesting to watch, comes from trades that we've seen. And unless you guys have anything else to talk about in regards to draft or hype about it, um which I don't know how much hype you would have for it, given who you root for. I mean, the Toronto Maple Leafs do have their first round pick this year. Yay. Controversially, that they didn't give up at the deadline to try to get better. um And Ottawa has their first round pick. They no longer have two, but they do still have their first and we'll talk about now ah why they don't have two. But to talk about that, we need to talk about how we got here. And we need to talk about the last week's worth of trades.
Recent Trades and Goalie Market
01:20:48
Speaker
It starts off on June 19th.
01:20:53
Speaker
where the Calgary Flames acquired defenseman Kevin Ball in a conditional first round pick in 2025. It's top 10 protected, let's be honest. The Devils aren't gonna have a top 10 pick in 2025. There's just, how how would they possibly be that bad? I just can't foresee it. um The Devils acquire goaltender Jacob Markstrom on 31% retained by the way bringing his contract down to four point one two five for the next two years The Devils get their goalie the Flames open up space for Dustin Wolf to be the guy They get a solid NHL caliber defenseman and Kevin Ball in a first-round pick as they try to figure out what the hell they're doing Good deal for both sides You then move on
01:21:36
Speaker
Darcy Kemper to Los Angeles for Pierre-Luc Dubois in one of the weirdest trades the NHL has seen in a while where the Caps desperate to get rid of Darcy Kemper, the Kings desperate to get rid of Pierre-Luc Dubois, Rob Blake's biggest shortcoming so far was that Dubois deal and everything they gave up to Winnipeg and then it just didn't work. So the reason why we had to mention those two deals first are obviously, the Emperor's on the move, the Kings get a goalie, all of a sudden now they don't need a goalie. The Devils, one of the teams where you're like, man, they really need a goalie. Now they don't need a goalie. And it leaves a team like the Boston Bruins in a very interesting spot. What do you do with former Vesna winner Lina Salmarc?
01:22:30
Speaker
A guy who turned down a trade to the Los Angeles Kings reportedly at the deadline, where do you send him and what can you get given you're limited and where you can send him, and the Goldie market is starting to dry up a little bit. outside of a handful of teams that might be interested in either acquiring a goalie, a handful of teams that are interested in moving a goalie. Maybe John Gibson we'll talk about shortly. Maybe Yousi Saros from Nashville. There really wasn't much wiggle room for negotiating, which is why as a Bruins fan, I don't hate this deal, but a lot of people do.
01:23:16
Speaker
The landing spot for Linus Almark is the Ottawa Senators, who at this point in time, Almark of course does not have an extension. um The word from Elliot Friedman is that he might play out the season without an extension, which, Charlie, your thoughts on that point specifically before we move forward. Man, watching Corpo Salo was so brutal. I don't mind it. To be honest, just the comparison between the two. If you're, if you're spending that 25th overall pick to dump 75% of Corpo Salo's contract and you just happen to get a year out of Allmark as well, I'll take it. I'll take it. There.
01:24:06
Speaker
Senators get an improvement in goal that they needed They do give up or basalo retaining 25% so 1 million dollars. They give up mark cast a lick Cast a lick or cast a lich Cast a lick and a first-round pick in this year's draft 25th overall that coincidentally Belonged originally to the Boston Bruins. The Bruins sent that deal to Detroit in the Tyler Berthuzi trade, and then it went to Ottawa in the Debrinkett deal, if I'm not mistaken. And now it finds its way back to Boston. Let's start off talking about what this means for the Ottawa Senators. You get rid of Jonas Korposalo, you give up a first round pick to do it, and a roster player in Castelik,
01:25:00
Speaker
not the most to give up for a former Vesna winner who gives you some optimism in goal ah more than you would have had with Corpo Salo or Forsberg and I mean you know it's it's kind of that optimism that you guys haven't had since I mean, well, Philip Gustafson had a good year, but probably Craig Anderson, right? Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely Craig. Yeah. And Anderson's the last the last goalie Ottawa's had where we as a fan base have felt like, yeah, that goalie can steal a couple of wins. It's about it, though, like it's it's been it's been a revolving door of mediocrity um just in the sense net.
01:25:43
Speaker
Um, it's been, it's been rough. I can't remember the exact number. I believe, uh, if you give me one second here, I can figure this one out. I had the stat for, um, just to give you an idea of how many goalies the sends have gone through. Uh, let's see here. Oh, the answer is a lot. The answer is brutal. Um, I love looking up the list of Sen's goalies, and I already have it in front of me, actually. So here's the Ottawa Senators' goal tending history in recent years. This past year... Can we play a game or rename them? Why not? I don't know how much of the list he's already looking at. I'm trying to find... I had a number. I wrote a piece for Inside the Rink a little while ago, and I had the...
01:26:40
Speaker
I had one number are you searching for? I'm just looking for I believe it was how many goalies they use in a single season. Which tied, I believe, a league record. God. Yeah, you're I don't love to keep looking for that. I remember they usually try to look at one point, I think. That's it. I think that's the record, the gate. So it was it must be was it 2023? Might have been 22, 23, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. So, goalies in 2023, Cam Talbot, Levi Marilainen, Kevin Mandelis, Magnus Helberg, Dylan Ferguson, Madge Shogard might have played that year too, Anton Forsberg might have played that year too. They've had a lot of goalies. So, since Craig Anderson retired in 2020, here are goalies that have suited up for the Senators. Marcus Haugberg, Joey DeCord, Matt Murray,
01:27:39
Speaker
Philip Gustafson, Cam Talbot, Levi Marilainen, Kevin Mandelis, Magnus Helberg, Dylan Ferguson, Madge Silgard, Jonas Korpisalo, and Anton Forsberg. It's been four years, man. Yeah. That's insane.
01:28:00
Speaker
Oh my god. And how many was that on a full count by the way? Too many. Too many. Fair enough. I think you could go back the previous decade from when Anderson retired to when he got there and you wouldn't have had as many goalies play in that time since he's retired, which is insane.
Ottawa Senators' Goalie Situation
01:28:20
Speaker
um So again, Ottawa gets that goaltending that they need. They still have a decent draft haul this year. First round, second round, no third rounder, but three in the fourth round. $11.3 million dollars in projected cap space, with ah RFA's Boris Kachuk, Parker Kelly, and Shane Pinto, UFA Dominic Kublick. On defense, ah RFA Eric Branstrom. And now in goal, they have Ulmark and Forsberg, which should be a pretty good tandem. Not a bad move.
01:28:49
Speaker
Not a bad move, not a bad spot to be in heading into free agency, depending on like, okay, what the cost is for certain RFA is to solve that situation. Like you still have rumors about, is Jacob Chikren on the way out and that type of thing. like your So my thoughts, and I want to know your thoughts, my thoughts on the Sends, this is a good move forward, especially if they can lock down Almark. They still have some pieces to move and some things to move, you know, to maneuver around before you can really be confident of like, oh, yeah, this is a playoff team that is.
01:29:28
Speaker
Yeah, ah I mean, we've us as a fan base, we've been very confident. I would say two seasons in a row now and it's not looking good. um and And I do think, you know, If Chikrin is moved, it'll be for you know less than the Sends paid for him. Just over a year ago, they paid ah first and two seconds, that first being the 12th overall pick. um And from what they've been saying, reports are saying that the Sends are looking for a first and a second or a first and a prospect.
01:30:03
Speaker
in return, which I'm surprised by. I thought that Chikren was going to be used in a move to bring in you know NHL talent. I thought Chikren was going to be involved in that Allmark deal. um I honestly thought the price was going to be more along the lines of Chikren and pick 25 if they were going to dump a goalie on Boston as well. So um I still can't believe that that's what got the deal done. That price, it it actually was. I'm shocked that they weren't outbid by somebody else. um But yeah, I think with defense, the main issue for the sense is they've fixed, I'll say fixed, they've addressed goaltending. They need to fix the defense because as brutal as it was last year, Forsberg and CorpusL both had 890 on the dot for safe percentages.
01:30:49
Speaker
um A lot of that had to do with the defense. the defense um you know i mean like Thomas just wasn't healthy. Chikren for the first time ever was healthy but wasn't playing his best defense. um you know you look at who were the shutdown guys it's zube who played well travis hamanek jacob bernard docker uh... like defensively that would be the the sense need some shutdown guys on defense to help the goalie because you know even with corpus alo you know he maybe would have let in
01:31:23
Speaker
There might be a game where he lets in four goals on like 18 shots, but two of them were breakaways. And one was a shot where, you know, the player on the other team just like smacked it in two feet out the net with absolutely nobody on the sense trying to cover him. Right. So, you know, he could have an absolutely brutal game and you're like, well, only one goal was on him. Then obviously there were other games where he let in four easy, what should have been easy save. So I do think it's a mix of you know, the goaltending being horrible, but also the defense doing absolutely nothing to help them out. So with that in mind, I do think that all Mark is going to have a pretty decent dip in numbers this season. And I think Corpus is going to improve quite a bit with Boston. um Like, you know, when when all Mark has a nine oh seven and Corpus has a nine oh five and all the all the sense fans are freaking out that, you know, like you could have saved that first round pick.
01:32:21
Speaker
Sens fans, I'm begging you, remember that Corpus Sells numbers will be very different playing behind the Sens defense. So we'll see what happens. I think Chikren's going to be moved. Probably, apparently, the asking price is just for futures, which I'm surprised by. I don't know if they're trying to free up cap space to go after. I don't think they're going to be able to afford Pesci if he hits free agency. So I think they're probably going to be gunning for like a Chris Tanev or just someone to put on that second pairing on the right side. And which, you know, if they get the right shut down guy, it'll hopefully help all mark a little bit more. Obviously you want all Mark to have a really good season and make them want to resign long-term ideally. Um, but, uh,
01:33:08
Speaker
God, I don't know. Just, you know what? They gotta they got to bring an all mark to the like 400,000 square foot IKEA that we've got in Ottawa. And just really impressive that way. That should do the trick. That's a great selling point. um I think you you hit the nail on the head in regards to like expectations this year. And I think that's why I'm more positive with the Corpo Salah thing, right? Is yeah. Yeah, odds are Allmark is likely going to a less solid team defensively, for lack of a better way to phrase it. Whereas Korpo Salo is going to be on arguably the best defensive team he's ever played for.
01:33:47
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I don't think that's a stretch at all. That's probably if you remove what even if even if you look at L.A. for the whatever 20 games he was there, if that like I still think, you know, you're comparing it to the to the twenty three, twenty four cents and just the blue jackets in general. It's it's not a it's great. Yeah, it's it's not tough to say, you know, it's ah it's not a high bar, but it is, you know, a very good Defensive team that's going to be in front of him, right? I think you know for the Bruins like oh chikren should have been involved like He doesn't necessarily fit No, what they're building right like they have He wouldn't be there long term basically like they have their three defenseman in McAvoy and Lynn Tolman Carlo that are locked up you don't typically have room for a fourth guy like that and And given that they have Mason Lorai and how good he looked in the playoffs at times, it's the last year of his ELC. He's
Bruins' Draft Strategy and Trade Evaluation
01:34:48
Speaker
a guy that they're going to invest in. It's just eat he wasn't a fit for that team. So I agree like on one hand, it could look like it was a bit lower than expected.
01:34:57
Speaker
um Especially when you factor in taking on Corpus sallow, but I do think like like this is his best chance. Like if the honest corpus sallow cannot succeed on this Boston Bruins team as a guy to take pressure off of Swamen so that he doesn't have to play 60 fucking games like you see sorrows and then be burned out by playoff time. Yeah, then Corpo Salos cooked at the NHL level, and he'll be in Sweden or Finland within the next four years, right? Yeah, just how it's going to go. um And I mentioned Jeremy Swamin. He's the big factor to this, right? um Allmark would have absolutely been moved into more of a backup role instead of a 1A1B. Like Swamin's the guy that was always the plan that Swamin was going to be the guy.
01:35:41
Speaker
um It was just a matter of where Almark was going to go or if they were going to keep him for one extra year and then lose him for nothing. They elected to get something for him and they also elected to prioritize a first round pick over a couple extra million dollars in cap space. um I think Mark Kastelik is like the ideal Bruin, right? He's fucking 6'4, 2'20, he hits, he fights, he's good on the draw, like he's he's a Bruin, right? But this is the Bruin's going to be, unless they trade it, the Bruin's first first round pick
01:36:19
Speaker
since 2021 when they took Fabian LaSalle 21st overall and yeah they also didn't have a first round pick in 2020 and then 2019 they took John Beecher. um They have very few first round picks over the last five years and I've had some people be like what are you talking about it's not a deep draft glass. I disagree I think this first round is incredibly interesting because you have a good amount of guys at the very top that have been taking so much of the attention away from guys that would have been a little bit more highly touted previously.
01:37:00
Speaker
um An example of that, and granted, you can go on Elite Prospects and look at their draft center and all the affiliated rankings and stuff like that. um But Craig Button's TSN ratings, like in a year where you have Adam Yeresek as like number 19, guys like Andrew Basha, Ryder Ritchie, there are some guys in that lower half of the first round that are very likely to pan out. um And because of that and because the Bruins have ah Arguably the worst prospect pool and hockey as they're often with It's a decent time to pull off this trade to get a first-round pick in there someone that you might be able to succeed with To get rid of a goaltender who was going to leave you at the end of next year anyway Yes, you're dealing your strength and
01:37:55
Speaker
in terms of that goalie tandem, but at the same time, that was only gonna last for so long. As much as it sucks to see the goalie hug go away, it was only gonna last for so long. And we'll see what the Bruins do with this pick. like I don't think you can properly, and i say this I say this with every frickin' trade, right? I'm not someone that has to be like, oh, the day it happens, this team won, this team lost. This is the best trade of all time, this is the worst trade of all time. You legitimately need five years Especially when it involves a pick to know what this deal is We don't know what's gonna happen with all mark on Ottawa. He could sign there long term He could leave at the end of the next year. He could get traded if they find out Oh, he's not gonna stay and we're not in the playoffs They could move them at the deadline and then who knows what they get for that and if it involved if it involves picks you've got to wait for the Bruins if they make this first round pick and
01:38:51
Speaker
You know, sometimes 25th overall is Michael McCarran. Sometimes it's David Posternock. who was a 25th overall pick in his draft. I was just about to say the Bruins are going to pull something crazy here. Like you just don't know. So it's one of those things where five years from now, get back to me and we'll see how it worked out for both sides because you just don't know. And again, maybe the Sens don't keep Lena Salmar. Maybe they deal him at the deadline and get a first round pick.
01:39:25
Speaker
from the team that finished in ninth, but that team in ninth won the draft lottery and they get fucking Gavin McKenna out of this. Who knows? That's the beauty of it. like Generally, like that's how I like looking at trades and granted cat friendly is going away. But you can now look back at trades from 2019, 20, 2018, 19 and be like, okay, who who won this deal? right like How did this work out for somebody? and You know, you you get a little bit more of a view this time out, right? Like ah February 24th, 2020. I turned 26 on that day. God damn it. What happened to me? oh Old. ah That was the date that the Toronto Maple Leafs helped facilitate a trade to get Robin Leonard to Vegas.
01:40:17
Speaker
oh my God and think about how that trade has worked out. Um, in regards to those, it's like, you know, Chicago ended up a goaltender drew Camuso out of that. Um, there, there's, there's so many other ones too, just in regards to how this worked out. Like, uh, same day a trade deadline Tampa Bay acquired our clay Goodrow from San Jose. worked out pretty damn well, especially given that people were like, what the fuck are you doing? Giving up a first round pick for Barclay Goodrow. That first round pick turned into Ozzy Weissblot, who was literally just traded to Nashville this week.
01:41:01
Speaker
You never know how this stuff's going to work out. Like it takes time
Fan Optimism and Trade Strategies
01:41:05
Speaker
to see that full picture. I can completely agree. This is going to be one of the most interesting trades to look back on five years from now because this could be great for both teams. This could be a fucking disaster for both teams. That's the fun of it. Yeah, exactly. Any final thoughts on that trade before we talk about our final little ah interesting talking point here when we mention trades?
01:41:32
Speaker
This is the story of a girl of river and down the whole I Was the exact same thing jesus I don't want to be too Too confident because I was after to brink it after chicken But this that feels like such a genuinely fantastic move um Again, like you said, this this could end up bad for both teams. It could be great for both teams. But like right now, this is the first time I've been confident in in the goaltending in Ottawa for like years, years, years, years.
01:42:12
Speaker
so I would be optimistic like you are in regards to Steve's days so far. Right. And, you know, it's funny because i thought we should have had you on the podcast. I hate to say it, but when Eugene Melnick passed away, because when he passed. immediately it was like you cannot say anything negative about how that man was holding back the team anymore um but obviously dude that whole thing Ian Mendes released a piece on the athletic uh basically outlining how he was a horrible person he just happened to finish it shortly after he passed away he was working on it when he was still alive
01:42:51
Speaker
Um, and it didn't come out until after he had passed away and everyone's like, how dare you speak ill of the dead? It's like, no, dude, he was a fucking horrible human being, horrible person. Um, who held an entire fan base hostage whenever he felt the need to. um you know like He turned you know Ottawa, which is you know not a hockey town, it doesn't have any fans, put up fucking billboards telling him to get out of town. you know what i like this is a This was a bad dude. And yeah, the idea of you can't say anything bad about him because he just died wild. Wild take.
01:43:32
Speaker
And it's for that reason that, you know, you kind of mentioned like sends fans have been like, Oh, off season champions, whatever. Yeah. Um, three years running. Like the thing is though, I will not blame, like I get why, you know, rival fan base is dunk. right? Yeah, but I cannot blame any sends fans for being optimistic because they have gone through that turmoil post losing the Pittsburgh in the Eastern Conference final in 2017. It's the same thing as
01:44:03
Speaker
ah Detroit fans that were super hyped up about their chances to make the playoffs this year, Sabres fans, Habs fans, Blue Jackets fans. It's like you look at a lot of these fan bases where it's just like, Oh God, give us something. You get that little bit of optimism. Let him have it. Like, let him have it. You know, i'm I'm fine with it. Like, yeah, you should have some ah ducks fans like should have some optimism. Yeah. um But obviously, naturally, it's the Internet and people are going to dunk whenever they get the chance to. Yeah, it's a very healthy way of going about things. My mood is more based on this team that I hate than my team that I like. I i get more joy out of seeing teams I hate struggle than seeing my team find any success. Wrestling discourse on social media for the last five years. Oh, man.
01:44:57
Speaker
Final thing to talk about here is one of the more surprising sets of trades that we have seen in a bit that can be summed up as Isakoka no something up and that's Steve Eiserman in Detroit um interesting first deal that went under the radar obviously uh they dealt former second round pick second round pick last year uh defenseman andrew gibson to nashville for prospect ese giskinen who was taken in the third round last year and a second rounder weird trade from nashville but okay
01:45:33
Speaker
And then the big one is they moved that second rounder that they just acquired from Nashville originally belonging to Tampa and Jake Walden to San Jose for future considerations. there's something coming. Whether or not it's John Gibson, as has been rumored for a trade or whatever, for them to move Jake Wallman, who finally found his footing at the NHL level with this team after, you know, kind of middling in St. Louis, um you know, was heading into the second year of a three-year deal at 3.4 million. um It's a surprising move to see him be the one to go ah and to essentially
01:46:20
Speaker
package a second round pick to get rid of them. Um, for the sharks face value, a, a plus plus from Mike Greer that they were the team in on this. That is spectacular. And I had literally said last night on stream that if there's any team in the NHL, now that the coyotes are are gone, that needs to do what the coyotes did before and just be like, we will take your sick. We will take your injured and give us picks to do it, but we'll take them. It needs to be the sharks. And bam, here it is. Second round pick and Jake Wallman for nothing.
01:46:54
Speaker
like when ever isrman's cooking up and he has space to cook he's got thirty two point
NHL Offseason Moves Speculation
01:47:01
Speaker
seven million dollars in cappped space um you know they got some ah rfas and ufas to take care of but whatever he's planning I mean, it it's gotta be a home run. And I'd be surprised if it's a goalie though. Yeah, what what do you think what do you think Lucas Raymond and ah and Moe take up out of that combined? Oh, Moe's up too. I thought it was just Raymond. Ooh. I don't think they try and bridge Moe, right? they They might try and, they probably bridge Raymond, but Moe, I feel like they probably try and throw that eight years at him.
01:47:39
Speaker
So I have no idea. If they bridge more at cider, you got to figure Bouchard get just about four. So would it be more or less than that with the cap going up? Oh, yeah.
01:47:54
Speaker
I don't know. But they mean they i I don't know. I think they're going after a huge name and free agency. You got to think right. Like with this. I mean, do they have any faith in Willy Husso? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, Husso and Lyon right now are the two goalies under contract. Reimers up and then in the system, they have Sebastian Casa, but he's still 21 years old. um He did have a solid season in the AHL. Like maybe he gets a look here and there, but they're not. He's not the guy that they're like, ah, yes, he's he's our guy now. Yeah. So like, are are they looking at stemcrows or looking at Gensil like?
01:48:34
Speaker
Mitch Mitch Marner, it's all it's all I saw a camera who it was but someone was saying how like how much sense would a Marner for Like sorrows plus deal like how how much sense would that make and I think it's kind of an interesting look at that. I Okay. Well, I have no idea how least management is right now. If they, if there's been any indication on pro or anti in division trading. So I don't know if that has anything to, you know, if that would affect a potential red wings deal, if that's what they're trying to do. So has there been any indication on that since red, you know, in in the past year, I guess, I'm not sure.
01:49:21
Speaker
You see Brad Treliving's history. Treliving in the moment. As a GM. Allow me to look up his trading history. It's not good. Well, in general, maybe not. But in terms of like his history, God, he made some deals. Hold on. OK, so if we are looking at in division trades, ah specifically when he was a Calgary, because obviously there would be ah more of a history to go off of there. um He never made a trade with Vancouver when he was the GM of Calgary. He's literally never made a trade with Vegas. ah Has he ever made a deal with Edmonton? He made one deal with Edmonton.
01:50:11
Speaker
Oh boy, it was a big one too. ah The James Neal for Milan Lucic swap. Oh wow. Was the only deal he ever made with the Oilers. Los Angeles. He made a handful of trades with LA. Draft pick swaps. Derek Forbert to Calgary for a fourth round pick. Oscar Fantenberg, so nothing major with LA. Seattle, they did the deal to acquire Kelly Yarncroke at the 2022 deadline, and Tyler Pitlick in 2021. Anaheim, I don't know if he he never did a deal with Anaheim, and San Jose sent Brandon Davidson for future considerations. So it's not been a ah common theme in his history to trade individuals.
01:51:05
Speaker
So who's to say? But yeah, Aizerman's got to cook something up here to win back. ah Some favor because giving up a guy like wallman in a second just to ditch 3.4 million in cap is Surprising to say the least but again, that's why we wanted to do this show today There's just so much going on from the Stanley Cup final wrapping up to instantly we're heading in the draft week and free agency starts in less than a week and it's just It's just a really fun time, especially when we no longer have to deal with officiating or the dops Doing their best to ruin the sport
01:51:41
Speaker
Yeah, there's that. Gentlemen,
Podcast Wrap-Up and Thanks
01:51:45
Speaker
it's been almost two hours. It's been a great time. And yeah, I don't have too much else to add. I think we covered everything yet somehow it feels like we we barely scratched the surface, but that's one part of it. Endurance? What do you have going on aside from playing the footballs with me on stream? I won a competition held by Pro Hockey Life to customize a free set of Warrior Ritual G7 pads? Yeah, 7G7.
01:52:19
Speaker
Uh, yes, that happened today. That's been the most of everything that I've been doing. And I've been into his discord, talking to all of his lovely people, aka AJ and maybe like three other people, uh, about designing the gear. And, uh, we've come to an agreement that, uh, that's really fucking hard, even though it's not my money being spent to design here, but I've been doing that and playing football with, uh, with Tukey. So that's what I got going on. Uh, I'm also moving, so fun stuff.
01:52:51
Speaker
There you go. A busy time. A busy man, as always. Charlie, I want to thank you for joining us today, especially on such short notice. And, hey, hopefully you're not a stranger around these parts, especially for sure. I know. Thanks for bringing me on. Especially on assignment in Finland. We yeah we always love having a third voice. So any time, literally any time, guys. And what better time with the the trade that worked out, of course. But um Yeah, odds are you guys will be seeing Charlie back here very soon at least again when we are able to record things are still a Bit iffy scheduling wise, but we're gonna do what we can um Charlie of course um as mentioned part of game over Ottawa, which is transitioning over ah from the SDPN side of things to its own ah independent status
01:53:43
Speaker
um uploaded a video today, actually a podcast today, in regards to ah the Lena Salmarc trade and what might happen with Jacob Chikrin here in the future and a simple search of Game Over Ottawa. You can find that. And Charlie, anything else going on? I don't know the last time you uploaded to the ah the old music channel that I was a fan of. Yeah, no, I yeah, just as a side thing started a music channel have not uploaded anything since my end of year list for my favorite songs and albums of 2023. So that's been pretty quiet. ah But yeah, we've got a ton going on in game over Ottawa.
01:54:19
Speaker
um Obviously like the plan is still to be a live show following Sens games But you know having being independent means we have a little bit more wiggle room What we're allowed to do and just because of that we've been doing a whole lot of ah recording stuff um You know some offseason preview stuff like that Obviously a lot of it's gonna be out of date now because we did some goaltending stuff before the trade ah Talking about a draft preview when we ah thought that the Sens were still going to have that 25th overall pick So ah a bit of it saw I mean, that's the world of sports podcast. It's out of date within
01:54:51
Speaker
days of it being uploaded. um But yeah, it should be plenty of, ah plenty of off season stuff going forward with that channel. So anyone who's interested in checking out Game Over Ottawa, you don't have to wait until October ah for the live show. We'll have plenty going up through, you know, the draft and through free agency, everything like that. So, um you know, any, any sends fans out there who want to watch a couple of people Uh, hopefully have good takes. Check out game over Ottawa. It's a, it's a good time and watch as the mood progressively falls as the season goes. Oh, we are hyped in October and by mid-December we're ready to shut her down. yeah Yeah. With that everybody again, thank you for joining us here. Uh, an impromptu show in some ways, but again, it's a, it is the season to be hyped about hockey, even though
01:55:42
Speaker
the season is over. We'll see you all when we see you. That could be tomorrow. That could be a week from now. It could be a month from now. We'll see what happens. Not the best schedule for a podcast, but we're doing what we can for now. Goodbye.