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Speaker: Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of 2CCs of Fiber Arts. I am your host Kelly and I'm here with our co-host Andrew and today we actually have a very special guest which we're very excited about. This is Jimmy of Jimmy Does Knitting. We have decided for our next to last episode of the season that we wanted to introduce a new feature where we bring on a guest from the Fiverr Arts community and enjoy you know hearing their extra opinions on a topic of our choosing. And today our topic is especially appropriate because the reason we invited Jimmy for this one um is there was a little bit of like a controversy between Andrew and Jimmy online where they kind of got into it a little bit um over something that I didn't think was going to be that well get I say I didn't think it ends up being rather hot topic among the fiber artists if you know you know um so today's topic is going to be whether or not you are an inner versus an outer puller with your yarn So are we ready to get started, Andrew and Jimmy? be yeah do it Oh, my God. Okay. All right. So the first thing that I want to point out is that um let's just explain what is the difference between an inner versus outer pull? No editorializing, no opinion. Just what is the fact? What that?
Speaker: I mean, well, obviously you have like a strand of yarn, right? You have two ends. It has to end and start somewhere. So the way that it's wrapped up into a ball, there's going to be one end on the inside and one end on the outside. And you can either, for your project, pull from the outside one and get like a smaller and smaller cake, or you can pull from the inside and then you get like a big a bigger and bigger hole.
Speaker: um And that those are the two options. Yep. All right. it And Jimmy, do you agree that that is in fact the difference between inner versus outer pole on a factual level?
Speaker: Correct. Okay. okay hey yeah You agreed on something Yeah. ah All right. So now that we've got the facts situated, it's time for us to get the opinions going. So of the two different types, Jimmy, which one do you prefer?
Speaker: Outer pole. Okay. I'm crazy. Okay, so go on. Like, why the outer pole? ah bit Because...
Speaker: the I don't know why I'm so passionate about this, but I, for some reason, it's really like one of those things that bothers me. For you Interpolers, you need to be banned from all fiber arts. I'm just saying this. You should absolutely be cut off because it's it's insane.
Speaker: You're just going and you pull from the inside and it collapses in on itself and becomes this tangled death. And then also, a lot of times, if you're working with, like, a ball or something, you just, like, pull out this, like, barf of yarn, and you're like, well, I guess I'll start my project. That is crazy! knee time You go from the outer, it just sits there, and you just pull, and it's clean, and it ends up in a nice little ball at the end, and then you're done, and then you start the next one.
Speaker: Okay, i I definitely agree with you. Like when I'm working with like these cakes, like on the wall, I do an outer pole. But when I'm getting a skein of yarn from like one of those big box craft stores like Michael's or something like that, if the yarn already comes with the center pole already pulled out for you,
Speaker: I'm taking it and I'm pulling from the center. And I'll have you know, when I recorded that time lapse of all those yarn center pulls, I didn't have any yarn barf until right at the very, very end. The very end. And it did get a little bit tangled, but I mean, it was the very end.
Speaker: So I still feel like it was worth it for me. Okay, there are two things. One, that was a personal attack. That real was a personal attack on me that you put out there to blame. That was attacked.
Speaker: And number two, what? I was going to say, like so when you're saying like the real, you mean like the original controversy where you all were like debating about this online, right? Yeah.
Speaker: No, he's talking about the time lapse. Okay, so for the context, I posted, I got some yarn from Red Heart that already had like the center pole pulled out. And I made a reel saying like, wow, I love this so much. Like this makes it so much easier for me. And then I was the very first one to be attacked.
Speaker: um Jimmy came to my comment section unprovoked and it was like, you should be banned from fiber arts, like all caps and like you're a heathen and all is this stuff. And so then I clapped back with my center pole time lapse and tagged Jimmy in it and said, what do you think of this? ah This is true.
Speaker: So that's the feud. I had people message me being like, oh my god, what's going on? Like, what's the beef? And I was like, oh my god, it's not real beef. Are you sure? are you sure it's not? I don't know. i don't know. Maybe it should be.
Speaker: no it could have been anybody. I feel the same way about it for anybody. It's not. Personally, it you just happened to post the reel that aggravated me about it. but Oh, it it was going to be somebody that day. It just happened to be me. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: Well, Kelly, what about you? Let's hear your opinion. my god, I'm not the one involved in all of this. um Yes, you are! I'm a mediator. Okay. I'm like total Switzerland here. Although I will have to say, okay. um You have a preference. Come on. i love What? what I said you have a preference. I do have preference. Fill it.
Speaker: I'm sorry. i am also an outer pole girly. I used to be an inner pole, but I ran into a lot of the same issues that Jimmy was talking about where it's like the inside of it would collapse and it became this like prolapsed mess.
Speaker: And I just do not like prolapsed yarn. mean like You guys don't know how to manage your holes properly because I didn't have that problem. Mine stayed fully open until the end. so um of course i don't know what you guys are doing over there. ah What I am doing is like, i don't i I don't know how to explain it. I just know that like it stays compact the whole time. Every time I pull all the way towards the end. And then I've got like Jimmy said, this nice, beautiful little ball or cake still left over that I can then like store more easily. um
Speaker: i find a lot of times that if I do the inner pull, towards the end i have to basically just like pull it and form it into a ball to make it into an outer pull anyway by the end so i don't know that's just been my experience um i will say though that one of the benefits of the inner pull is that it doesn't require any special tools like a spinner or a yarn bowl or anything like that it just sits there and you can just pull yes um
Speaker: That's like the major benefit. It's like oh those big skeins of yarn, like, you know, the big boys like here, like this, like a skein like this.
Speaker: Look at that right from the middle. You don't have to worry about it rolling all over the place. It's right there ready for you. Just throw it on the ground and then just reel in the yarn like it is so nice.
Speaker: If I pulled this from the outside, it would roll all the way down the street. like It rolls all over the place. What are you doing where your yarn is rolling all over your house?
Speaker: Pulling from the outside. That's what I'm doing. in my i I do not experience these issues where the the yarn's going all its way and everything like that.
Speaker: Is that like, cause I feel like there's a difference. Like those big skeins, like I just pulled up, those ones roll all over the place, but like a cake doesn't roll anywhere when you pull from the outside.
Speaker: So I do, I do like the outer pole when it's a cake, I have to say, but the inner pole, I feel like you can't beat it for those big skeins because they just sit there and you just pull from the inside. Yeah.
Speaker: So this is a bit of a cultural difference. I am American, but I do not live in America. And those big things of yarn just do not exist in Europe.
Speaker: Okay. We don't have those. I started knitting while I lived in Europe. and like i just I've never experienced those in my entire life.
Speaker: Never? What? Really?
Speaker: Yes, no we don't have, like, Michael's or these big box stores with all that stuff. They're too fancy for that over there. Do you have acrylic yarn there? What? It's kind of acrylic yarn.
Speaker: that's all, like, Katya or whatever. There is a store that's, like, I don't know, basically Primark before it was Primark. And they have yarn there too, which is a bunch of acrylic and stuff. But you just can't get the quantity of yarn that you guys get in America. Those like big red heart things like just don't exist here.
Speaker: Oh, yeah, yeah. you do like our like massive size. it's like portion size. We're just like, 100 grams? That's not enough. Give me a big honking chunk of yarn. Like, we got the Karen Pound of Love. I can imagine. In Europe, they're like,
Speaker: Your countries are too small to even have that much yarn, so. Yes. Okay, so actually, you brought up the pound of love. Back in the day, I made this a gigantic blanket with size 50 needles, like the US size 50.
Speaker: like real Like, the needles were as thick as my thumb. And me- Is it like broomsticks? Yes, yes. So my thumb looks like broomsticks?
Speaker: That's what I got out of that. thumbs yeah Big chunky thumbs. Yep. Well, anyway, moving past that. um ah um I got 12 different colors of that pound of love and I knit them all together. Like I marled them all together and this blanket.
Speaker: And to make that blanket, if I had done an outer pull for all of them, that come on, that would have been a tangled web. I mean, it already was kind of a tangled web because it was 12 different yarns at once. But i relied on the inner pull for that project because there was just no way I could have them like rolling all over the place or like 12 different yarn bowls. Like that would have been extreme.
Speaker: That, ah regardless of where you pull from, that requires like yarn management right there. Like oh that is a beast of a ask.
Speaker: Yeah. That's crazy. Well, what's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, i still have it. And we use it all the time. um Because it's actually like a really nice like cushion for the floor. Like it's more of like a pad than anything. Like it's not really a blanket.
Speaker: And I didn't really consider that. What are you using this for? ah Laying on the floor. Okay. You know, ah it's really comfortable on my back, you know. Okay. Very nice. All right. Yeah.
Speaker: Very PG-13 activities, right? Oh, of course. Just lounging, relaxing, and, you know, ah putting my feet up. Okay.
Speaker: But yeah, I didn't even realize like i should have, but um you know, I'm using 12 different colors of pound of love. And so it obviously is going to make 12 pound blanket, which I did not factor into my decision when I started making it.
Speaker: And you know, the weight of any regular blanket is already hard enough to knit with, let alone like 12 pound blanket on the needles. It was so difficult.
Speaker: But I think it would have been harder with an outer pull. So I still stand by the inner pull. Well then, Jimmy, what do you think about that? Like, do you agree that that was an Interpol advantage? Or do you to concede anything? Or do you think that, like, no, it still would have been better without Interpol? I've never thought about it in my entire life.
Speaker: I've knit Interpol once. I bought some stock yarn from a German department store once. And to get the pattern, you had to do the Interpol.
Speaker: Because it was, like, self-striping, but it, like, had some sort of pattern. is These old-school yarns. And... like it. I hated it. It was weird. it sort of like clapped in on itself and shriveled up.
Speaker: And then at the end, I had like leftover stuff and I had to keep like pulling and unwinding and just finding the different parts. that was breaking I just don't understand. Okay, so would you do an inner pull if you got one of those things that like you put the cake inside of like a an elastic like pocket so that like as you pull from the center, the elasticity like pulls it closer to itself. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker: i do. Like the yarn yeah season or whatever. Yeah, yeah. I am not a fancy knitter, and that's just one more accessory that I don't want to keep track of.
Speaker: Okay, yes. Fair enough. I understand the utility. and People like the fun fabrics. It keeps the yarn together. It makes it a little bit easier. But I do.
Speaker: Why when I could do it a way that I don't need it? That's fair. That is fair. fair and yeah Yeah. So, okay. So wait a minute. So Andrew, Jimmy accused you of basically being like you needed to be banned from fiber arts for doing an inner pole. So do you think that Jimmy should be banned for doing an outer pole? Like, how do you feel about Because he came at you hard with that.
Speaker: Yeah, I would say no, because I think that all art is valid and I would never attack another artist like that. So, I mean, that's just me, though. Just me. um Not everyone shares that opinion. So, you know.
Speaker: yeah
Speaker: But you should be a fan for attacking me. Okay. ah Oh, my goodness. No, well i didn't do this. Okay. like So then, okay, so as far as like, when you talked about like yarn management when it comes to like your outer pull. So like, how do you manage your yarn when you're working with the outer pull? Because like how um Andrew said, if he's pulling on certain things, it's like, it's flying all over the place. It's like, there's no real control to it. So how do you make sure that that's not what's happening? Or do you run into that issue at all? I don't really run into that issue. i either sit and I knit on the couch
Speaker: And it's just like there or I like knit while traveling, and in which case I have just like a tote bag that I put my stuff in and then it just stays in the tote bag and it's fine. I've never had that problem with like yarn balls rolling everywhere.
Speaker: I typically only have that problem with those like big fat American skeins.
Speaker: But when I do work with cakes, I agree with you. I actually just usually keep the cake like in my project bag and it doubles as a yarn bowl so that like when I pull on it, it just like rolls around in the project bag.
Speaker: And then that is nice. But if I take the cake out and put it on the ground, it's probably going to roll. So I don't know. Maybe I don't know what I'm doing that causes it to roll. And Jimmy doesn't have that problem. I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing different. but It sounds a lot like he's better at managing his own balls and cakes than you are.
Speaker: ah ah Yes, he has a much better handle. He's more practiced. Yes, it's true. Well, what about you, sir? You've been real quiet over there, Mr. Moderator. um Let's hear your opinion.
Speaker: What do you do for your outer pool? um So for my outer pool, a lot of it is kind of similar to how Jimmy is. like I'm usually sitting on my chair because I have like a chair and a half with Ottoman. um Because, of course, in America, we love our giant things. So it's not just a chair. It's a chair and a half for our wide seating.
Speaker: Enough room for me and two cats. yeah It's... especially like I did comment... My couch is huge. I am all up for like seating that you can lay in. like I fully support this. I get it. Do I have room for this? No, but i like i mean you're going to be there a while. Might as well make it comfy.
Speaker: Well, go ahead and just agree with Kelly on everything, then. that yeah We're ganging up on you, the two of us, just like, you know, we're just going after Andrew. So sorry. You're just having to take it from both of us. Okay. Oh, no. yeah um so as I was saying, like, I'll have a yarn bowl so um set up. And then I'll like put my cake or ball in there and that's like what I'll use. But even sometimes like if I'm at the doctor's office or like at work or something like that, I don't carry my yarn bowl with me or anything. So what I'll do is I'll usually kind of just set it like in the chair next to me and there's kind of pull this way or like I'll pull like a little bit of it out and then just let it lay out and then work through it until it starts to tighten. And then I'll pull again. So that way i'm like controlling the role and it doesn't like, you know, go all over the place. It doesn't always work super great. And i can't really do it in a bag. I've tried them in bags, but then i have other things in the bag. So then it just gets tangled up with whatever else is in the bag. oh yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. it Cause it's like some like, the equivalent like yarn ball torsion where it gets wrapped up and tightened and everything like that. Yes. And you have to go in and like untangle and everything like that. Plus also my bag has zippers on it and girl. Now that's dangerous. Zippers are like the worst for, yeah. No, I got to take the yarn out of the bag. It cannot be anywhere near those teeth.
Speaker: teeth are dangerous yeah yeah you know what else is dangerous pins uh you know like those ah lapel pins i have on my uh set of knitting needles i put a bunch of pins on it and every time i leave that in my knitting bag it's a nightmare that it's just like the yarn is completely wrapped around all the pins and it's like a little puzzle and i have to take the pins out because it's just such a mess And yet you don't just leave the pins off and figure out a different thing to do with them.
Speaker: But they're really cute. There's like some knitting ones. Where else am I going to put them? ah like i el I don't know. On a cork board like the actual bag. I don't know. yeah maybe the bag. But then I don't know. Well, actually, yeah, maybe the bag.
Speaker: But then i feel like I might run into the same issue, but on the other side of the pin. Maybe. Yeah.
Speaker: Well, that's a whole other topic. but That's true. Add to the list. Oh, goodness. Yes. ah Well, okay. So then, all right. So then either one of you, if you want to kind of like weigh in. So it sounds to me like Jimmy is primarily only outer pull, like all the time, mostly because he doesn't have to deal with the giant skeins that we have here. But Andrew, very much like either or, depending on the type of yarn that he's using. um
Speaker: And then for me, mostly outer pull. I love to say even with the giant skeins, I still prefer the outer pull. know. I know. Okay. Okay. Wait, hold on. Because you don't have the excuse of living in Europe. So you understand yeah the big skeins and you know that those big oblong ones, they roll all over the place. So how can you possibly defend that?
Speaker: Okay. So I, okay. So I get what you mean by that, but like what I do is kind of the same technique. I'll like set it there. And then I'll pull from the outside and it just goes like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa whoa whoa who what like a hold yeah guys and then i pull and it goes like and and then i'm like all and then set it down and then work and then i'm like all right whoa i work with us again and yeah To be fair, I don't usually get that yarn. like I usually don't get the big box yarn. I usually get the smaller ones that like I get the hanks. Because like hanks, I have to roll into a ball or a cake anyway. um yeah Or they already come in small like bullet skeins. And bullet skeins are much easier to manage with the outside pull. So like I don't oftentimes get the big oblong ones. I just...
Speaker: There's just, that's not usually my go-to. So yeah, but I get what you mean. It's not usually my go-to either, but if I want like, like reliable acrylic yarn that I know how to work with for cheap, like I'm going to get those big oblong skeins, the American skeins, you know? um so i don't know. i mean i do I'm not judging you for that.
Speaker: You're only judging it for the inner pull, yeah. um I just feel like even when I've done what you're saying, like unwinding it from that, like, you know, it goes like bla more like, even when doing that, I feel like it's such a hassle. Like I would personally rather deal with the yarn barf from finding the center pull skein because also then it motivates me. I'm like, well, you can't stop knitting until all the yarn barf is gone because then you have like such a nice compact, immobile project, you know, like you don't have to worry about it rolling all over the place. And, you know, it gets you like a jumpstart on your project because you have a goal already. Your first goal is like you don't move until the yarn barf is gone. What do you think about that, Jimmy?
Speaker: Yeah, there you go. I think it's good. Clean it up. ah No, you're supposed to fight him on it. i mean, i appreciate I appreciate that he wants his gay to get his stuff in order. i mean, it's still wrong that he did it. But, like, at least he's, like, making an effort to do something.
Speaker: oh my goodness. Look at you being all timed and everything like that. No, I want to fight. Well, I have have a question for you guys, because I think this probably makes a difference. How do you knit?
Speaker: is it Are you English or continental? Girl, I don't knit. Let's just start there. now Yeah, know no right, y'all. No, crochet. I'm a hooker, not a needle user. Yes. there Yeah.
Speaker: ah Well, I knit mostly continental these days. I did start my knitting career doing English style. Okay.
Speaker: Um... What about you? What do you knit? I'm continental. Okay, nice. was just curious of it. That's another opinion I have. I combination knit, and I'm mac gonna yeah i'm not going crap on anybody because you told me not to swear. I'm not going to crap on anybody about how they knit, but I'm telling you continental is the best way to knit.
Speaker: Oh, I agree. Once I switch to continental. Combination messes people up. It's the best way to knit. What is combination then? disagree with you all. You don't get an opinion, crocheter. Okay, first of all, I will get an opinion. And after i hear what Jimmy has to say, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. What is combination? There's a crochet sort of version about it. But basically, the way you wrap the yarn makes it so like the front leg or the right leg is in back.
Speaker: And so it's opposite of what we typically do. And so like ah when when I purl, I swap the stitch orientation as opposed to when I knit, it's like what you guys would normally do. It's like ah the Eastern, the Eastern purl and the Western knit, which is why they, it's the combination.
Speaker: And so. are you like going into the back? Yeah, I'm like loading, loading. Yeah, I go through the back quite a bit, yeah.
Speaker: ah Yes. makes more sense. You prefer going to the back. um It just, it's a better orientation that way. Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. I get that. yeah Kelly, you know all about that. Even though you're not a knitter.
Speaker: Well, okay. Okay. I say that I'm not a knitter. I don't knit on a regular basis. However, I know how to, because I did start with knitting years and years ago. and my method is English throwing. And I always went through the front. So yeah, I did not ever learn how to purl for a long time because I was also wrapping my yarn backwards. So trying watch like how people purl, totally bad. So I was like backwards going through the front. i had no clue what I was doing. i was not an expert like Jimmy. whom he So- Wow, thanks. so when you
Speaker: Thanks for including me Or you, I guess. You're okay. You're good. yeah Yeah, pretty mediocre, I would say. you know. you're doing some good stuff. Put yourself down. yeah but I feel like this whole episode is just gaslight Andrew as much as possible. Oh no we're not gaslighting you. All of this is true. None of this is stuff that is like... I knew you were going to say that. Yeah.
Speaker: yeah oh Yeah. But like when I, cro like when I English or when I, when I would knit, it was always English style. I could not continental. And people were always shocked by that. Cause they're like, you crochet though. And I'm like, yeah they're two different things. They don't,
Speaker: I'm like, one is with two needles. I'm like, I'm not doing the same thing as do with one book. Yeah, but it's the way hold the yarn. Like, I only learned continental because I learned crochet. So it's actually surprising that you wouldn't know continental.
Speaker: Because holding the yarn for crochet is the same exact way I hold for continental. Yeah, because the needle doesn't have a hook. andto Because I was a crocheter first. Oh, really? Oh, I didn't know you were a crocheter first.
Speaker: Oh, you were? Oh, sorry, mean to interrupt. No, I was a crocheter person, so it felt comfortable in my left hand. So when I started knitting, I couldn't throw because the yarn, I'd like pick it up and then it would just like flop everywhere.
Speaker: So I had a continental knit. And then I realized I was twisting all of my pearls, like unintentionally, and I had to figure out like what was going on. Well, at least you had the decent sense to come to knitting and like leave crochet, you know, some people never get past that point, you know.
Speaker: are you enjoying wearing your crochet hat as you're saying that Andrew designed? i I want everybody to know that Andrew does not care for crochet, so don't be going and buying his hat pattern now.
Speaker: but but but but No, no. I mean, just, you know, eventually come to the world of knitting, you know. Crochet can't be everything. Yeah. Well, on that same token, neither can knitting. When did this become a debate about just all the things? Like, this is not the knit versus crochet episode. This was supposed to be U2 on inner versus outer pull.
Speaker: Well, I mean, i feel like we got it. are We covered inner versus outer pull. We all decided that my drag is, you know, bottom of the barrel, um according to U2. You know, we've got that note taken down.
Speaker: ah But, you know, I would say that i want to hear from everyone out there. What do you guys do? Are you an inner pull or an outer pull kind of diva? Or, you know, maybe you do a mix of both. I don't know. Let me know which one you prefer and um who you think is right.
Speaker: Me or Jimmy. And yes. yeah but And apparently me, sort of. I guess I was left out of that. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Well, you were very noncommittal, so... Kind of, yes. And also, I want to take a moment to thank our guest, Jimmy, for joining us all the way in the Netherlands. Thank you for having being So accommodating. Of course, absolutely. I hope you really enjoyed your time here. In the meantime, if you are interested, we have other plans for other guests to come along in our future episodes. So definitely hit that subscribe button and that bell notification so that you're alerted anytime we get new episodes out because you never know when one of those might have another special guest.
Speaker: Yes, that's true. Yeah, Jimmy, thanks for being here. This was a really fun convo, even though felt very attacked. It was really great to have you. It was nice being here. Thanks.
Speaker: All right. Well, until the next time, we'll see you guys on the next episode. See later.
