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Gift Makes
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We're all gifted makers at heart, but that doesn't mean we're all gift-makers! Hosts Andrew (Caliri Creations) and Kelly (Cocky Crocheter) try to figure out where they fall on the spectrum of making for others versus yourself.
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Introduction to Gift Knitting vs. Personal Knitting
00:00:13
Speaker
Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of 2CC's of Fiber Arts. It's me, Andrew, one of your hosts, and I'm here with Kelly, our other host. And today we're going to be talking about whether or not you like to make things for other people or if you rather make things for yourself.
00:00:28
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So it's the whole idea of gift knitting versus personal knitting.
Balancing Gift Making and Personal Projects
00:00:33
Speaker
um So Kelly, what do you think? Do you normally make things for yourself or do you normally make things exclusively for other people?
00:00:42
Speaker
Okay. so when we were kind of prepping, like talking about like, Oh, what's another topic we want to talk about. And this one came up. I was thinking that's kind of an interesting question because the answer for me is kind of both.
00:00:55
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um Because since I do design some things, um a lot of things, actually um the whole idea of like a gift making crochet item, I'm like,
00:01:08
Speaker
Does it count if the gift is payment to the model modeling a design for me for a pattern that I'm going to sell? Like, it's like, does that count as yeah gift making? um And I'm like, I'm not sure because if that's the case, yeah, then I'm like, well, then that is like, yeah, I do make things for other people.
00:01:27
Speaker
But in the sense of like, if I'm just making something for the purpose of just giving it to somebody, actually, I don't really do that a whole lot. I mostly make things either for models or just for me. um Not to say that I'm opposed to it, but yeah, that's that's kind of like,
00:01:44
Speaker
where I'm at as far as like, whether I'm a gift maker or a personal maker. What about you? Um, I feel like I'm mostly a personal maker as well. It takes like a very special person. um I know that they say like they have to be knit worthy.
00:02:01
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um yes ah um which basically just means like that person has to be special enough in your life to actually want to make them something. Um,
00:02:12
Speaker
And I feel like you got to know that they're going to wear it or use it or at least appreciate it for the art that it is. Yeah. So for me, i'm like... mostly getting into personal knitting and like making my own clothes and sweaters. Like you can see my pile of makes right here that are all for
Deciding Factors for Gift Knitting
00:02:32
Speaker
me. as yeah But I, the only people I really make stuff for is family and not just like, oh any family. it's like my husband, my mom, dad, brother, my grandma.
00:02:48
Speaker
Like those are probably the only people that I would gift knit something for. Okay. That, I mean, I feel like that's pretty common among a lot of like fiber artists is that those are the people. I mean, when you say knit worthy, that makes a lot of sense. Cause I mean, like when I think knit worthy or in my case, crochet worthy, it's like I use crochet worthy. it yeah the same flows sometimes i'm like i still have to say things like it's So, yeah, so like when I think of that, I think of more than just like you're right. Like it's not just is this person special to me? Is it also are they going to love it? Are they going to appreciate it? Will they actually use it? Is it worth my time making it for them? Will they know how to maintain it
00:03:33
Speaker
Um, because that's the other thing is I'm like, well, I can make this beautiful silk merino sweater for somebody, but I'm like, if they're just going to be like, I'll just toss it in a washer and dryer. I'm like, no, you're going to need to wash this baby and air dry it and block was like, no, you know what? Nevermind. You know, just anytime you need to clean it, just bring it to me and I'll just do it for you. Cause you're not going to do it. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. Yes.
00:03:59
Speaker
In which case, I'm like, yeah, I was like, you know what? Maybe I just shouldn't make it for them then because I don't want to wash their clothes for them. um But yeah there's also, to me, the idea of somebody knit worthy what level. So like I'm willing to make somebody something like I made a set of dishcloths for somebody and made them out of like something. It was just like, I think acrylic ah probably. um and was like, I knew it would, yeah, i was like I knew it would hold up in a washing machine and dryer. i knew like the types of stitches might be needed to like help make it a bit more absorbent. And I was like, and it's going to be used to scrub dirty dishes. So it doesn't have to be fancy. so it was like, that to me made it worthy. But I was like, if it had been something like ah a custom tailor-made sweater, like that's going to need somebody a little bit more special and worth my time to do that.
Effort and Satisfaction in Complex Projects
00:04:55
Speaker
Oh yeah. A hundred percent. Uh, well, that's a good point too, of like, um, you know, the family that I listed, those are people that I would probably spend lots of time on a project that I would give to them. Like those are like, I would make more complicated things for them. Like I made my brother a cardigan. i made my grandma a shawl, like a Steven West shawl. So it's like all those things like take way longer amounts of time.
00:05:21
Speaker
um And I'm just like, you know, some of them I'm like struggling. Like I made a ah two color fingering weight beanie for my husband. And, ah you know, it took quite a while to make like two to three weeks, which, you know, it's not that long, but for a beanie, like, yeah, it's like,
00:05:39
Speaker
That's kind of a long time. um And I was like, you know, frustrated during the process because like managing the two colors. um But to me, it's like worth that frustration and the challenge because I know it's like going to go to ah someone who's going to wear it.
00:05:54
Speaker
Yeah. But you bring up a good point about like levels of that. Like those are like the upper echelon that I would make for. But then there are other probably like less close family that maybe like if they had a kid, like maybe i would make a little like stuffed amigurumi thing or something or I don't know, like something quick.
00:06:16
Speaker
Right. Something quick, manageable, something, you know, that's going to like hold up and where. And yeah. So I, I understand what you're talking about with that too. And I love it. You're right. Like it's an upper echelon. Like you've got your elite gift receivers and then you've got your life yes mid and then you're kind of low. Like if I get to it and it's going to be something kind of thrown together. Like I was like,
00:06:37
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You know who would appreciate granny square things? People that don't really probably care that much about the quality of the work. They're just wanting something handmade. And that's not to say i'm like, I'm going to give you crap. It's not like that. But it's just definitely going to be something more like, I'll whip this up for you um type of thing. yeah And yeah, and it's and I think that that's perfectly fine. um yeah I think what maybe I also have to think of is Is this something where it's like they actually want it or am I just wanting to make something? So I ask somebody, do you want this thing?
00:07:15
Speaker
Because I don't want to make it for me for whatever reason. So I'm like, why would I not want to make this for myself? but maybe somebody else might like
Sentimental Value of Handmade Gifts
00:07:24
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it. So for example, I am not like, you know, i don't make home decor. Like that's just, I don't make artwork to hang around my house. I don't make, you know, stuffies. I don't make anything like that. I don't even make blankets anymore. It just, it takes too long and it's too boring. I'd rather wear my work. um Yeah. Plus we already have a ton of blankets, but like I wanted to make, um,
00:07:48
Speaker
an like an ornament and just like you know because it just sounded like fun it was cute it was small and i ended up making it and then realized i was like actually kind of like this for me i was like i was gonna make this part of like maybe a gift set and then was like never mind i don't need to find any anybody i'm just gonna get this for myself um But it made me think, was like, this actually worked out pretty quickly. i could make one for myself, but also still make it as a gift item. So sometimes I make something with the intent of a gift, but then realize I like it for me. And then, yeah, I i don't know i don't know if that made sense. I kind of like started yeah one way and then went kind of elsewhere with it. No, it made sense to me. Like I... Totally get that. I mean, I've made a bunch of things. Actually, you reminded me that I've made a blanket for my dad and for my mom, like two separate blankets. And I have to travel back to North Carolina for the holidays. So like when I have blankets made for people, I've also made a blanket for my grandpa, my grandmother. Like I have made so many blankets for people. ah It's ridiculous. Yeah. But it's like, I have to shove them in my suitcase. I have to bring an entirely separate suitcase, which is just like full of blanket.
00:09:06
Speaker
Oh my. Like, that's, I mean, I get that because you're like, well, blankets, they take up a lot of space. So you're like, yeah, travel somehow. And you're like, I'm not paying to ship that. Like, that's expensive. I'm already paying to get myself there. So plus it's usually for Christmas. And so there's like usually like a big gift exchange. So having an empty suitcase on the way back is not necessarily a bad thing.
00:09:32
Speaker
Also, with my grandma and my family, they always try and like declutter their own house by giving me things. So it's not a bad thing to have an empty suitcase on the way back. No, those aren't like their official gifts to you when that happens, is it? It's not like, oh, here's gift exchange. Let me give you you like my old stuff. Okay. It's just. No. Okay. Okay. Okay. But like my grandma has a lot of stuff and she's been trying to like kind of clear out the house um a little bit because it's just like, you know, she just knows like, oh, I'm not going to use this. Like, I don't need this anymore. And I feel like every time I go over there now, she's like, do you want this? do you want this? And I'm like, I'm not trying to raid your house, but if you really don't want it, like I will take it.
Gifting as Personal Growth
00:10:15
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Oh, my goodness. oh
00:10:18
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But anyway, you're clearly gift worthy to her. ah Yes, I guess so. and one thing i think of when it comes to like the gift making is okay so you were talking about you've made a lot of blankets for people right okay so yeah i made a lot of blankets for people a long time ago because i set out to be like i want to make all these blankets it was i was in this blanket phase i was like exploring different blanket patterns it was a way for me to practice new stitches new colorwork techniques everything like that.
00:10:52
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And it also gave me a plan for projects way into the future. So I made a list of everyone in my life who I loved, cherished or whatever,
00:11:03
Speaker
And I made it almost like a, like a met big surprise here. I made it a magic related thing where I was like, course of course i was I was reading like the mists of Avalon and it was real into like, you know, they they do a lot of like knitting and spinning and weaving and stuff in there. And they're like, they, they cast spells with a lot of it. Like, so um that was in my mind, what I was doing was I was like, I'm creating this, like,
00:11:29
Speaker
giant spell where I'm creating connection and love and protection with my warm blankets for all of these people. So it became this like giant project of a bunch of these little say little, they're blankets, these smaller projects. Um, and so I went through my list and I was just like, I'm making it for mom, dad, brother, best friend, other close friends. um,
00:11:53
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People who just like special co-workers, things like that. And I was just like, I listed them all out and created these plans and really thought through why I was making the things that I was making
Challenges and Legacy of Crafting
00:12:04
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for them. I was like, how does this blanket fit their personality? What kind of colors do I picture when I picture this person? Will they appreciate a simpler design or will they want something more complicated like them? And so I did that for several people and it took me a long time, but I did all of them. Like everyone on that list got a blanket.
00:12:23
Speaker
And then after I was done with that, I was like, I don't know what to do. So. How long did that take? um It took me a few years. It was like, i probably a four year, five year process. Because I wasn't always consistent. Yeah. It like took a long time.
00:12:41
Speaker
Yeah. Wow. I mean, that's not shocking if you had like a list of people to make blankets for. Yeah, that's going to take a long time. You can't just really like whip that out. No. And I've also never done anything like that again because I was like, that was like, oh, yeah.
00:12:58
Speaker
Yeah. But think one of the things I liked about it was that it really reminded me that the reason you do a gift make is the, the love and work and energy you pour into it. We've talked a little bit about that. Like,
00:13:12
Speaker
on previous episodes here where it's like you really are putting a lot of yourself into your work and thinking through, ooh, the person i'm making this for, I really, really love them and I hope they really enjoy this and it's like exciting. So yeah. Yeah. Well, I think also, yeah, that's a great point. And also, I mean, it's hard to part with your knitted or crocheted makes. Like it is just so hard to give it up, especially like That shawl that I made for my grandma, it was the Pinwheel Pop shawl by Stephen West.
00:13:43
Speaker
And it just came out so nice in the end. And i loved the colors. that I was just like, Like, I got to give this to somebody like I love it. And so you and you really do need to make sure that the other person is going to appreciate it enough, at least like ah the bare minimum, if it's like, you know, maybe she'll never wear it. Maybe she never would. But I know that my grandma is also a crafter. So I feel like if anything, she can appreciate the craft and the artistry that went into it. enough to like, even if she never wore it, like she could just look at it and be like, wow, like someone made this for me.
00:14:22
Speaker
And that's special because she makes like, I mean, she, as I mentioned, is a crafter. She's a quilter and she has made so many quilts throughout her life.
00:14:33
Speaker
And she has like, I have several of the quilts that she's made for me. When I was a kid, i was like really into collecting stuffed Beanie Baby, but only the cats.
00:14:44
Speaker
I was like a crazy cat lady, but for like stuffed cats. Oh my God. And so had like... Well bad beanie babies. I was just like... Yes.
00:14:55
Speaker
i had so many, so many. And so she had me like take a picture of them. There's like a picture of me as a kid surrounded by all my cat beanie babies. And she made me a quilt with like a bunch of different cat things on it. Like a bunch of cat fabrics and like fun little like cute cat things.
00:15:17
Speaker
And it's an spy quilt. It's like a um like ah there's a sheet that goes with it. That's like find the cat with the soccer ball and then you can check it off. And it's like a whole ass sheet.
00:15:29
Speaker
And on the back of that quilt is like a screen printed picture of me with all my cats. And it says Andrew age eight or something like that. Yeah. So she is really the master of gift making because she has made some incredible things. Yes. Yes.
00:15:49
Speaker
Oh my God. That is like so cute. I mean, my great grandmother made quilts and they're nice. Like I like, I have them, they're old and like, I try my best to take care of them, but they're also like, they've been used and well loved. So they're not perfect, but also I'm like, I love the fact that they have been used and loved. And yeah, i mean,
00:16:09
Speaker
She did not do that level, but I mean, i know that she still made them with love for like my grandma, who was her daughter. So like, you know, and then that got passed down to me. So, you know, it's a while. I think that it's the best questioning is that when you yeah when you think about like when you make gift makes, it's more also than just.
00:16:28
Speaker
giving them to people you're like this could become an heirloom like not everything you make is going to become an heirloom we it just things get lost or destroyed or you know they don't want to pass it down or just get sold in an estate sale but there is they're like oh this ugly throw it away do that all the time with all kinds of things like anybody who gives me anything i hate i just toss it i'm kidding i'm kidding i don't do that If somebody gives me like, okay, so like my mom, she like found this yarn at a craft store. It's like one of those big like, know, acrylic skeins. And she was like, just love it so much. Can you make a scarf out of it for me? And I tried.
00:17:12
Speaker
I honestly tried. But I just couldn't work with the yarn. I couldn't. And and so I i ended up throwing it away recently because I was like, I'm never going to go back to that. Like, I am so sorry. i will get a different yarn for you. I'll still make the scarf for her.
00:17:27
Speaker
I will find a similar yarn that is better quality that I can, you know, I know the color
Responding to Requests for Handmade Items
00:17:34
Speaker
of it. Yeah. But I cannot work with that yarn.
00:17:38
Speaker
Well, okay. So Andrew's mom, if you're listening to this, know that he threw it away with love um and yeah thoughts of making a better product for you that is, you know, higher quality. So he didn't just toss something you bought for him for nothing.
00:17:56
Speaker
Yeah. Oh my goodness. ah I mean, yes, throwing it away is a labor of love. Like that is part of it because that is me saying, no, baby, we are going to get you something better.
00:18:08
Speaker
Yes. I understand why you like the yarn. I get it. It's very soft. It's fluffy. It's it is nice. I get it. But we're not going to give you that. We're going to give you something much more high quality. Which is also a testament to the fact of being in like the upper echelon of people that I would make for. like I would spend a lot of money to get high quality yarn for those kinds of people.
00:18:36
Speaker
you know like If it's like a co-worker that comes up to me and is like, oh my god, you knit, can you make me a beanie? First of all, the answer is no. Second of all, if the answer somehow is yes, it's not going to be top of the line. Like, Ooh, I've been saving this in my stash. Perfect for this coworker hat.
00:18:55
Speaker
No, no. It's going to something that I'm like, Oh, I guess I could use this yarn that I've never planned on using or you're going to get rid of that ra and be like, here you go. This is the yarn I'm going to use for you. i can at least. Yeah, exactly.
00:19:12
Speaker
Do you feel like um whenever you tell people that you're a crocheter, do you feel like people like sometimes their next sentence is on automatically like, can you make me something?
00:19:24
Speaker
It's either. ah Can you make me something or you should sell that? Oh, my God. OK, I get the you should sell that a lot. Like that is definitely a thing that I get. And I'm always having to explain. i was like, oh, no, girl, I cannot sell this. Like no one can afford Yes.
00:19:44
Speaker
Yes. I was like, well, because like the I mean, we could talk ad nauseum about like, you know, fiber artists and being like we people don't know the amount of work that goes into it. And even the ones who do, it's like that's still really expensive. um Yeah. But then there's also the idea of like, you know, will you make this for me and kind of thing?
00:20:04
Speaker
i yeah I have had a few people have to do that and I'll entertain a moment just to be like, I don't think I will. But if you have an idea of what you want and explain it to me, I can then explain to you what it's going to take me to make that. And maybe that helps them understand your understanding why I'm saying no to this um yeah kind of thing. Especially if I'm like, I don't know you from Adam. Like you're, you're like, you're just somebody I work with. Like you're not somebody I actually like hang out with and I'm friends with or anything like that. I'm not saying I'll never make you anything.
00:20:40
Speaker
Um, yeah or something like that. Or I'm like, or maybe down the line as we get to know each other, I might be like, oh, this would be really cute because I have done that before where I'm. Yeah. Um, Like there's one particular coworker who I remember, she just loved hats. Like she loved knitted hats, crocheted hats, like any kind of hat. And she was just fascinated by any hat that I was working on. And so there was a hat that I made just out of a yarn that I just really enjoyed. And I was like, I didn't make it for me. I didn't make it for anybody. I just made a hat.
00:21:10
Speaker
I was like, I'm never going to this. But I brought it in and she saw it and I was like, do you want this hat? And she was like, yes, really? Seriously? I was like, yes. She was like, I'll pay you for i was like, no, no.
00:21:22
Speaker
I just want to get rid of the hat. Wow. sometimes Sometimes my gift makes are really just like I made something with no intent of who it's for. I just wanted to make it because I like yarn or i like the pattern.
00:21:34
Speaker
And then I find somebody and I'm like, do you want this? And they're like, yes. And she, yeah she was so grateful. And it was like, you're a knit worthy person. And I didn't even know how no until i saw how much you loved this hat. So yeah, i was like, oh, that's so good.
00:21:50
Speaker
Yeah. That's a really good point. Actually, that reminds me that there was a guy in my knitting group who was working with like a retirement home and they were like taking donations for like i um articles of clothing.
00:22:06
Speaker
and um And so he was like, if anyone has like hats or, you know, anything that they've made that they want to donate or what what he was asking was to like, have you like make something like, does is anyone want to make a hat for this clothing drive? And I was like, I don't want to make a hat, but I definitely have hats that I've made that I could donate like I'm done with it.
00:22:30
Speaker
and But it's still good. It's still like a ah high quality make. I just don't personally wear it anymore. So I ended up like bringing a bunch of them my stuff and like donating it there. So um it's technically re-gifting, but... Hey, it's still fine, right? Yeah. I mean, I think that that kind of goes into when I was asking earlier, I was like, does it really count as gift na gift making if I made it for somebody as compensation for modeling for
Perceived Value of Handmade Gifts
00:23:00
Speaker
me?
00:23:00
Speaker
And it's like, well, if I didn't make this with the intent of giving it away, like your hats or my hat, is that still gift making? Because I'm like, well, for you, like you made it to wear. I actually did originally hope to wear the hat on occasion, but I was like, hey never mind. I realized I'm like, and I'm not really going to wear this. I just really liked the pattern. i realized. Yeah. So when you're making it without the intent of giving it away, but then you give it away. Is that really a gift make? I'm like, I don't know.
00:23:31
Speaker
I mean, i think it just depends on like the final state of the project, you know, like it everything it's like ah you're gonna like this. ah um It's like kinetic versus potential energy, like everything that you make. Yes.
00:23:50
Speaker
speak nerd to me yeah yeah scientist bring this in yes okay all right now i knew you would like it because you're also a big nerd like me but it's like everything that you make has potential to be a gift but not everything will end up being a gift but because everything that you make like it's all here like all of this stuff If I gave it to somebody, it would become a gift make.
00:24:16
Speaker
But none of that started off as a gift make all of that started off as me. So all of it right now has potential to be a gift. But it only becomes a gift make kinetic energy if I give it to somebody.
00:24:30
Speaker
Oh my goodness. Yes. First of all, I love that you referenced back to your monument of selfishness there, which I love.
00:24:43
Speaker
ah Well, it is because I make stuff for myself. Yes. Yes. I mean, yes. But also you're right. Like I i love that analogy of the potential versus the kinetic energy. Cause you're right. Like every,
00:24:59
Speaker
everything we make has that potential of being a gift. Yeah. Because I know that for me, like, so for instance, like I'm currently wearing like this hoodie that I'm like, it's fine. It was my first time making a hoodie. I like it. I don't wear it too super often, but also I'm like, I don't know anybody else who would really want it. So I'm like, I keep it for myself for that very reason.
00:25:21
Speaker
There are also some items of clothing that I made for myself or for my husband. And he doesn't wear them for whatever reason. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:33
Speaker
It's usually because it doesn't fit anymore. um and that's the other thing is I'm like, sometimes I've outgrown things. Like I made a sweater for myself that I was like, I did not make this right for my fit.
00:25:46
Speaker
So I wore it a couple of times and was like, I can't wear this. This doesn't fit me anymore. It's not comfortable or anything. So then it had to become a gift for, make because otherwise I'm just sitting in my closet for no reason nobody's using not even so I might as well give it away or so people are always like well why don't you sell it I'm like I don't want to go through the process of trying to sell it somebody's not going appreciate it they're not going to pay a thousand dollars for this sweater I'm like because that's what going take me to be like it's sell I'd rather just give it to somebody that's like low-balling it a sweater yes like a thousand dollars for a a handmade sweater is low-balling it
00:26:25
Speaker
i made of burino and silk yes and hand dyed yarn so yeah yeah i mean the bear sweater this one right here um the yarn alone was three hundred dollars so like already if i'm gonna sell it it needs to be minimum three hundred plus not to mention the two months of work i put into it like every day working on it i mean we would be talking like two three four thousand dollars At minimum.
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
00:26:57
Speaker
Yeah. And no one's paying that. People don't realize. I love it. It's beautiful. yeah It's a great hoodie, but nobody's going to look at that and be like $4,000. Yes. Please give it to me. Exactly. Right. Right. Yeah. No, exactly. which But that's how much it would cost.
00:27:12
Speaker
but well Well, I mean, and that's the thing though, is that like when people, Don't think through that side of things. Like if you're being gifted a gift, make whether that's a knit, a crochet, a quilt, like quilts, even I'm just like quilts are yeah much more labor intensive than they are working hand knit and crochet um in my opinion. So I'm like, if somebody's knit worthy or gift worthy to me, I'm like, it means they also understand this could have cost me $4,000 if I was actually paying them what it's worth.
00:27:44
Speaker
but they are not charging me that they're giving it to me. They're giving me $4,000 worth of their time, their love, their materials, their skills that they've honed yeah over the years. So yeah, like that, that's, and that's impressive. Like that's, yeah.
00:28:01
Speaker
That's another level that makes somebody knit worthy is if they know how much you are really giving, it's not just the item. You're like, I'm giving all the things that went into the making of that item kind of thing.
00:28:13
Speaker
Yeah. Well, that's probably why that one person you gave that hat to was so excited because she, i mean, if she's a hat connoisseur, as you claim, ah it yeah seems like she has an understanding of how much hats cost and she probably has other handmade hats, but ah You know, so she probably understands ah the ah the the costs that go into making it. So that's probably why she was like, oh, my gosh, are you serious? You want to give? Yeah. i which Yeah, you're right. it makes her very nitworthy.
00:28:46
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And I and the thing is, I'm like, I would love like any time now I know now I at least like know if I need to design a hat or something like that, maybe like I don't necessarily want for myself or I need like, you know, to give to somebody because I just need to give it to somebody. I know that she's going to appreciate it. So I know I've got somebody.
00:29:07
Speaker
o I can be like, do you want this other hat that I just happened to have lying around? and She'll be like, yes, give me, give me, give me, give me, yes. So that's also really nice. Yes. Yeah, that's great. Yeah.
00:29:19
Speaker
Well, I mean, hey, I think it's been a great episode talking about gift makes versus personal makes. Although I guess we we didn't really talk too much about personal makes. A little bit. No, but mean, that's okay.
00:29:31
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, like, we we got so wrapped up, it we were got wrapped up Wrapped up. but Yeah. Yes! Oh, look at me. And we're wrapping up this episode.
00:29:45
Speaker
but Yeah, we have to put a bow on this episode. oh yes. Oh, my goodness. Yes. yeah Well, ah for any of you listening, if you made it this far, um let us know in the comments if you are a gift maker or if you are a personal maker. And, you know, what kind of people do you make gifts for if you do make gifts?
00:30:09
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00:30:31
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you.