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Kenny vs Roman + Unrivaled 7 Live Review
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Inspired by our good friends at Turnbuckle Tavern, we attempt to settle the debate once and for all of who is the true king of the wrestling world in 2021, Roman Reigns or Kenny Omega. Our partner in crime Jordan Wells joins us to break down the argument across five categories.
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Introduction and Episode Preview
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome to the Chick Foley Show. What is up Foley fam? We are back with episode 149 of the Chick Foley Show. We are one week away from the milestone.
00:00:31
Speaker
episode 150. It's a little bit of a slow weekend wrestling, so we cooked up a slightly different format for you guys we think you're gonna like. Let me start off by introducing the stars of the
Sheena's Studio Setup and Rural Life
00:00:39
Speaker
show. Sheena, how you doing?
00:00:41
Speaker
I'm good. I'm tired of, you know, all the kids all over, uh, South central Kentucky. If you guys aren't noticing, if you're watching on YouTube, uh, you're noticing, I don't have all my Halloween zombies in the background. I'm in a whole new studio. I'm out here in like, you know, Alvin studio. So, uh, you know, hopefully everything sounds okay. Cause I'm out here in the boond sticks and the internet, you know, it's like basically like.
00:01:01
Speaker
little crows flying back and forth, communicating with the internet. You sound smooth as hell right now. I sound like Ira Glass on NPR, man. Ooh, that's the ultimate compliment. Thank you. The good thing about being out in the boonies, most of the people out there probably don't even know what the internet is, so you kind of got all the bandwidth to yourself. Oh my God. That's true, and it's 8.30, and we're kind of out here, and everybody's already in bed. There's really nothing to do out in the boonies, so yeah, everybody's already sleeping right now. Marco, how's life up in Massachusetts?
Halloween and Holiday Mix-Ups
00:01:29
Speaker
Good, good. We're, uh, just prepping for, uh, for, for Halloween, trying to get our costumes going and the kids got their costumes and.
00:01:38
Speaker
Uh, my wife got hers and I'm working on mine right now, but, uh, I'm not, I'm not going to give it away. It's going to be a secret. It's going to be, uh, we're going to reveal on Christmas. So yeah. So on Christmas on Halloween. Yeah. Drinks are already in the system, but yeah. Um, yeah, I can't wait to unveil it. It's going to be, I think you guys will appreciate it. I'm stoked. Yeah. All right. She never mind the folks where they can find you guys.
Return of 'Fig God' and Social Media Plugs
00:02:12
Speaker
He's back. The one and only, the big God. She's gotten fireflies out. Jordan, what's going on, man? What is up dudes and dudettes? I am ready to talk some wrestling. It has been a slow week. Well, wrestling wise, but not life wise. So let's get it going. For, uh, for those watching on YouTube, and again, we'll have the link in the show notes for the YouTube link. It wasn't as much of a surprise this time. Cause you guys could see Jordan.
00:02:39
Speaker
I was actually looking into it if there was any kind of effects we could do on the Zencaster platform. I really wanted Jordanstein to go black and we could try to splice in the old Wyatt family video drop before he popped up. That's a little bit beyond our production value at the current time. Jordan, glad to have you, man. It's always fun when we get the fourth man in the booth. Anybody that's listened to our Patreon exclusive episode, you guys know you're in for a treat anytime Jordan is on the episode. Sheena, remind the folks where they can find you guys on social media.
00:03:09
Speaker
You can find me on Instagram at Chick Foley, Marco, graciously running the Twitter machine over at Chick Foley Show, and you can join our Facebook group at chickfolishow.com. It's a Patreon exclusive group. Amazing stuff going on there every single week. We have our new Halloween Havoc episode that is launching this weekend, so stay tuned for that. Lots of fun, lots of, you know, we don't get too dirty here, but lots of effery, if you will, that's going on in that episode, so super stoked. Oh yeah, it's all rated.
00:03:38
Speaker
Yeah, it's, it's R rated. So join us over there. Uh, listen to our bonus content by sell trade figures. And it's just a great group of, uh, drama free marks that, uh, you know, yeah. And we got the best figure hunter in the United States going out and, uh, snatching up figs for everybody. He had a good figure hunting day today too. We'll get into that a little bit later on during the figure four, uh, Jordan, you want to plug your Fig God, uh, Instagram?
00:04:06
Speaker
Yeah. So, uh, find me at the Fig God on Instagram. Uh, I'm going to start uploading some more videos of fake hunts. I do and stuff now that I'm getting a little bit back to normal in life with work slowing down a little bit. Um, so yeah, we'll do some videos on there and you completed your deck. Jordan's been doing it all, dude. He's working. He's building. He's building decks and patios around his house. I forgot about that. It's just a dog. You got a puppy. You got a puppy. So that's like basically having a new baby.
00:04:34
Speaker
Man, it has. It's been a brand new year in the last month. I mean, yes, Deck and a
Wrestling Podcast Updates
00:04:40
Speaker
Dog. It's like, dude, can anything else happen? Let's just leave it aside. That's going to be the name of Jordan's autobiography, Deck and a Dog. And a Dead Guy. Deck Dog and a Dead Guy. Marco, what's going on with the Pod Foundation this week?
00:04:55
Speaker
Oh man, so we'll start it off with debate number 48 from the Turnbuckle Tavern, which kind of sparked what we got going on in this show this week, so with their conversation on Roman Reigns. But moving on, they have the Turnbuckle sessions.
00:05:12
Speaker
They did some historical homage with Rick Flair versus Steamboat, and I believe Tito Santana versus Greg Valentine. It's Mike Bellcaster and the OG Fig Kid take you down memory lane and go over those two matches and stuff like that. It's actually really, really good listening if you guys haven't listened yet, definitely. And then we have the extra Kula show where they go over on SmackDown 20 years ago, not to this day, but the day they actually
00:05:41
Speaker
recorded it. It was a TLC tag team match for the tag team championships, which is pretty awesome. I'm not going to say the names because there's a person that we can't speak of. Oh, boy. Yeah. He's kind of barred from it. He who should not be named. Yeah. He who should not be named. But then obviously, you know, AEW is tonight as we record. So it was no recap from the turnbuckle tavern, but they do have a
00:06:09
Speaker
show called The Tavern Goes to Hell, where they go ranking. They rank six wrestlers, six horror movies, and six monsters, if you get it. That's awesome. See, I definitely listened to that. And today, they dropped their visits to Tavern with an anti-hero SOS. His name is Scotty O'Shea. And actually, they had a pretty cool message to him. He went for emergency brain surgery. They recorded this a couple of weeks ago.
00:06:39
Speaker
Yeah, he just, he went in for our emergency brain surgery. So they, you know, they sent their well wishes. And obviously we hear the Chick Foley show. We want to send our well wishes to him as well and hope for a speedy recovery.
Ringside Exclusive Giveaways
00:06:50
Speaker
Sure. Sorry to bring it down a little bit. Yeah, we were going to get a little too jovial on the show. So let's get the mock back up. Shane, you ready to give away a cactus check?
00:07:01
Speaker
Yeah, it's weird. I usually have the figure here to hold. So Seth, do you have it with you or did you, did you fail to do the job for me this week? No, he's sitting over in the pile to get shipped out. So he's already in the express lane. Everybody knows what it looks like though. This is the ringside exclusive, a cactus Jack elite. Sheena is going to announce the winner and I'm going to hit the drum roll.
00:07:26
Speaker
The winner of the Ringside exclusive Cactus Jack figure is Randy Smith. Dude, congratulations. That is an epic figure. I'm so stoked for you. Long time Foley fan member. So, uh, what will deserve superstar note? No, uh, no first time in the line on this one. So.
00:07:42
Speaker
That's right. Randy the Ram, slide into the DMs, give us that shipping address, and we will get Cactus Jack headed your way, man. We'll remind you guys to use code CHICKFOLY to save 10% on all of your figure purchases. And speaking of that, we'll go ahead and get into next week's giveaway.
00:07:59
Speaker
It is going to be for the man who's going to whoop Bobby Lashley's ass this Thursday, this coming Thursday at Crown Jewel, the one and only Bill Goldberg. So this is the top picks, comes with the Blue Universal title, and it can be yours. All you need to do is just shoot a screenshot to either Marco on Twitter or Sheena on Instagram.
00:08:18
Speaker
showing that you listen to this week's show and we will announce the winner at the start of next week's episode. If you watch on YouTube, you can just take a screenshot of the YouTube too. That works too. You guys have multiple avenues that you could use to get into this contest. You guys ready to get into our topic of the week?
Roman Reigns vs. Kenny Omega Debate
00:08:39
Speaker
Let's go. Marco hinted at it at the start talking about Turnbuckle Tavern. Their debate this week, the topic was actually is Roman Reigns overrated or has Roman Reigns heel run been overrated? I think was the specifics on it. The OG Fig Kid, the staple of the Turnbuckle Tavern, Tom Montato, also a premium Foley fan member. He really came off the top rope on Roman, specifically talking about how Roman is no Kenny Omega.
00:09:06
Speaker
And you know, it was like Hulk Hogan, you know, when someone hurts your pride, you know, you got to take a stand. You can't let it slide. I had to jump in our Turnbuckle Tavern group chat and I really kind of just, you know, I gave Tom the business a little bit and then that kicked off what it ended up being probably about a four or five hour back and forth. I mean, we need somebody to go back and
00:09:28
Speaker
and kind of recap like the actual count of the messages. I said idea we could do the first ever scripted pod foundation episode and just reenact the entire text chain. Cause it was kind of me and Marco on one side. Marco was really going hard, but I was, I was, I was doing some shit around the house and I was still sliding in with some jabs every once in a while backing up Marco against all the, you know, the Turnbuckle Tavern crew, they're repping hard for Kenny. Jordan was coming in every once in a while on the, on the side for Kenny, but we went back and forth for a long time and it kind of, it really ended up blowing up.
00:09:58
Speaker
being more than, uh, than Roman and Kenny. It was kind of like your overall philosophy on, on wrestling. So it's a lot of fun. Uh, Marco, uh, what, what was your take? Cause you and you and Chad were really kind of getting, uh, getting half hot at each other, man. You know, I thought these Cowboys were shooting there for a little bit.
00:10:15
Speaker
Obviously, it's all in fun. Obviously, with a group of people that can have a debate about something and not go too crazy without flying insults at each other. Actually, he was throwing insults at Roman Reigns, but I was keeping it clean. I wasn't saying anything bad about Kenny Omega. I was throwing out straight facts. Taking the high road.
00:10:35
Speaker
Yeah, I was taking the high road on most of it, but no, he wasn't going too crazy with it. But, uh, yeah, I mean, it wasn't too bad. It was, he said, you know, you got to rep for your guy. I mean, I love Kenny Omega. As you can see, I'm wearing a Kenny Omega shirt right now.
00:10:48
Speaker
Um, but you know, when it comes to the, the rain strain, maybe the rain strain doesn't stop for anybody. Yeah. It's going to a full steam ahead right now. I literally, it was the day that I was traveling to Kentucky from Virginia to Kentucky. So I was driving like the whole first half of the day, you know, and all of a sudden I get, I get to Kentucky. I open up the, our pod foundation chat.
00:11:11
Speaker
And like the messages just explode. Like it's just like this, like, like, you know, just messages flying up. And I'm like, what the heck happened? You know, and I see people like, you know, arguing and like throwing, you know, like little light hearted jabs at each other. I'm like, what did the pot foundation implode while I was gone? What happened here? And I saw that it was like all the Kenny and Roman talk and I went back and caught up on it. But yeah, it was like hundreds of messages for sure. Yeah, it was it was pretty epic, man. We used up some serious data.
00:11:38
Speaker
Uh, this week. So with that in mind, um, we kind of decided it was a little bit of a slow week in wrestling news. So we're basing the entire main story this week is Roman versus Kenny. I mean, I, I think it's pretty much unanimous across the wrestling fandom that these are the two biggest stars in the wrestling world right now. And we're just going to have it out. You know, it's primarily going to be, uh, you know, Jordan versus Marco here. I think they're the, uh, probably the farthest apart on the, uh,
00:12:03
Speaker
the two sides on this argument. I lean Roman, but I can still respect what Kenny's doing. Um, Sheena's a little bit, you know, probably the most in the middle out of all of us, but we got it down the five categories. I like to, I make a, you know, my whole life's work is to like, keep the balance, keep the peace, you know, be like a, and I can empathize and see both sides of, you know, the, of an issue. So yeah, I'm, I'm here to kind of help you guys get through this and work through this. And we're going to figure out who, who is ultimately the best of them all.
00:12:32
Speaker
So the categories are going to be in-ring, promo, presence, look, and then we'll close it out with overall. So we'll start off with what I think is probably going to be the least debatable. We'll go with in-ring. And Jordan, I'll toss it to you first, man. Who is better in-ring out of Kenny Omega and Roman Reigns?
00:12:52
Speaker
All right. So this, this I think is the one where I don't even think it's really arguable. Honestly, like dude, Kenny, this dude literally was known as the five star about machine. Like whatever you want to say about Dave Meltzer and his stupid ratings. I get it. They are stupid. They are stupid. Like whatever we respect uncle Dave, but he's still a dickhead. He's the definitive source though. You know, he, he, he is man.
00:13:19
Speaker
I don't even look at people's ratings per se. I just look with my own eyes. And with my own eyes, I can definitely see that Kenny is superior in the ring. I mean, it's really not debatable. Kenny's move set, it works against anybody, right? I mean, he can do his moves against anybody. Not saying Roman can. I'm just saying, Kenny has so many moves in his repertoire, and he uses every one of them in every match.
00:13:47
Speaker
Granted, he has started leaning more on the V trigger. He does that fucking eight thousand times a match, which I don't love now. But I mean, dude, when you go back and watch New Japan, Kenny, like no matter who he was wrestling, it was a straight banger. No matter who it was like, dude, he could have a five star match with a young boy from New Japan and it'd be completely a nine year old girl. Yeah. Like, dude, Kenny, he just he just puts on matches like, dude, he's just a showman. I mean, more than anything, that's what he does.
00:14:16
Speaker
And like, dude, Roman has gotten a lot better in the ring. I'll admit this. And everyone here knows I was the biggest Roman hater up until the last year. Like, dude, I couldn't stand the dude. I didn't like what the dude did. I felt like it was so repetitive. It was the same thing over and over. The dude has grown in the ring a lot. I will say that. His moveset is a lot better now. He uses the moves at the right time. It's just not like the five moves of doom. It feels more well-rounded now.
00:14:44
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, for me, this is an easy one for Kenny. The one winged angel is definitely a much more protected, deadly move than the spear, you know, or the Superman punch, you know, like there's no, there's no debating. Like it's taken several Superman punches to get people down before and several spears to get people down before. But when Kenny hits that one winged angel, dude, it's lights out. It's over, you know, and nobody, nobody uses that move other than him. Right. It's fucking move. Like one winged angel, like,
00:15:13
Speaker
When you think of that, you immediately think of Kenny. Like when you say spear, like, dude, you could think of a number of people that have used spears or finisher. I mean, it's not like it's a unique move to Roman. Like to me, the shield power bomb is more of a unique route move to Roman for me.
00:15:30
Speaker
Like, because the spear is not a unique move. I mean, it's just not. And then I did say he has overused the V trigger, but that dude, when he throws that knee, there's sometimes I don't know how the other dude gets up. Honestly. Oh my God, dude. I thought he killed him. Yeah.
00:15:48
Speaker
I'm like, I think that's the one I, uh, I think that's, that's something that really kind of separates the speed. He moves within the ring. That's something that Seth used to have before the knee injury. That's kind of been missing, but yeah, he like Kenny, like, it seems like he is sprinting when he's like running the ropes for that V trigger and the other moves he does. And I think that's something that really sets him off. Uh, Marco, I'm gonna toss it to you, man. Strong opening argument from Jordan. Do you have a rebuttal for Roman being better in ring than Kenny Omega?
00:16:17
Speaker
Yeah. I think I, I think I said that in the, uh, in the movie or having that, you know, discussion of the group chat, that obviously Kenya Vegas, like wrestle circles around women rains when it comes down to game time. But obviously they have their, their different styles of wrestling, right? Um, where we're remains is more slow and methodical. Kenya Vegas at, like you said, that speedy guys, he's running all over the place. Yeah.
00:16:41
Speaker
The other thing we'll commend Kenny Omega for is he does, he's been working, I think with a back injury for a while. Um, if, if anyone, I'm not sure if that's a public knowledge, I don't think, I think it's just like, you know, things I ever said here and here, but yeah, he's definitely, he's injured and he's still like, you know, performing at a high, you know,
00:17:00
Speaker
at a high, uh, what do you call it? The words escape in me, high level, high caliber level. Yes. Um, but yeah, so I mean, hats off to, to, to definitely Kenny Omega, but like I said, you know, it's, it's, it's all subjective too. It depends on what style of wrestling you like as well. That's, I mean, this is what's going to come down to the subjective thing. So do you like the slow methodical? A lot of feelings like that. Yeah. Where it's like, it really depends on what your criteria is for all of these things. And you know, the, the, the, the what you like in wrestling, like, you know, we'll talk about this more, but like, you know,
00:17:30
Speaker
Like if you like the WWE style or if you like the indie style, like there's all kinds of preferences that go into this argument. You know, I mean, no, nobody's arguing that either one of these guys could be number one or number two. You know what I mean? Or they can both be number one just in different ways. So yeah, I love, I love this discussion because again, it's just like so subjective.
00:17:49
Speaker
Yeah, I was thinking about that too. Stina is riding that fence hard, folks. If you guys didn't pick that, read between the lines. I'm not going to ride the fence, but obviously I'm going to defend Roman. But you have to give props to the other guy as well. It depends on what you want to watch. When I want to see a style like Kenny Omega's, I want to see him wrestling that style. I don't think anyone else can wrestle that style of wrestling that he does.
00:18:15
Speaker
I love Daniel Bryan, I love all those guys here at AEW, but a lot of those guys do that style of wrestling at AEW, and he's that guy that does that, the best side of all of them. So when it comes to the sports entertainment side of things, Roman Reigns right now is the, if you want to say he's the best sports entertainer that they have.
00:18:35
Speaker
Um, what about matches? So here, like, you know, and we can even make it as of late because if you want to talk about since Kenny's been in AEW versus like since, um, Roman has been a heel in WWE, I would say the Roman has had better matches in that period of time than Kenny. I mean, like, yeah, cause we talked about this, we talked about this like, uh, before when a dynamite started.
00:19:01
Speaker
that when Kenny first, when AW first started, we weren't getting the, I don't care. You guys can deny this all you want, but we were not getting that new Japan Kenny. We were not. And he was doing a lot of tag team stuff in the beginning when he was relying on the bucks a lot. So it was kind of like, he wasn't standing on his own, whereas like Roman, he hasn't been in the shield in a very long time. So he's been growing and evolving his
00:19:27
Speaker
singles career this entire time, you know, he hasn't really kind of like fallen back into being a tag team wrestler ever since he broke back or broke away from the shield, you know? And I mean, you guys all shook your head. You don't think you don't think Romans had some great matches as a heel with Kevin Owens and Daniel Bryan and Drew McIntyre.
00:19:47
Speaker
I mean, I don't know. I wasn't super impressed with his match for Drew McIntyre. To me, the Roman matches that stick out since he came back was the Hell in the Cell match with Jay Uso, the WrestleMania triple threat with Daniel Bryan and Edge. And I don't know. I mean, that's really the two that really go above and beyond for me, whereas Kenny has had the tag team match with him and Hangman against the Bucks is one of the best tag team matches of all time. His one on one match with Hangman on pay review last year was incredible.
00:20:15
Speaker
Um, he had hell. What about him as champion? You're okay. You're right. I should have said, I should have clarified since Kenny has been champion, um, his, his matches. Now I didn't mean all of his like, I mean, yeah, he's had the better championship run, you know? Well, I think Romans had the better championship run. Cause you see, he's been dominating so much where even though he's cheated, I feel like he's cheated in like a less underhanded way than, uh, than Kenny. But, um,
00:20:42
Speaker
Yeah, I don't, I think Roman's been a little bit more dominant in the ring, but now we're talking kayfabe. Cause I was going to, the thing I was going to say is I think even though we're on agreement that in ring, Kenny's got, you know, Kenny's got a leg up on Roman for talking kayfabe. And I mentioned this in the group chat, Daniel or, uh, Kenny Omega just wrestled to a 30 minute draw with a guy that Roman reigns stacked a hall of famer on top of impending WrestleMania.
00:21:07
Speaker
You know, it's not it's not a shoot. It's a work. And if we're talking to work, the argument's already been so to force and ring Roman over. Yeah. But we know it's a little bit more complicated than that. You guys ready to talk about? Go ahead, Marco. Yeah, we also can't forget his match with with Daniel Bryan, his Daniel Bryan's last match on SmackDown.
00:21:25
Speaker
Oh, yeah. So title defensive match was awesome as well as an awesome match for that. Yeah. When Sheena said two years, so since Kenny's been an AW, I was like, guys, we're not going to just like sweep the center of the rug that Roman was wrestling Baron Corbin 18 months ago dog food match. Like sweep this under the rug. Like that didn't happen. That fucking happened.
00:21:50
Speaker
Everybody has their peaks and valleys, okay, Jordan? That's the Grand Canyon. That is not a reflection of Roman Reigns. That is a reflection of horrible writing, creative, and booking. That is just terrible. That has nothing to do with Roman. Before we go to the next one, I was also going to mention this. They both had the same
00:22:14
Speaker
Like, for the past two years, right, during the pandemic and all that stuff, well, Roman was really around during the pandemic. But before the pandemic happened, they both had this kind of path where they were just like, kind of floundering.
00:22:26
Speaker
in their respective companies. Obviously, like we said, Kenny Omega wasn't the Kenny Omega we've seen in New Japan. He was kind of, like you said, tagging up with the Young Bucks and losing to people and not having the greatest match. Remember the match he had with Pac? That was a match that signified to everybody that
00:22:46
Speaker
Everyone's collective thing was like, this isn't the Kenny Omega that we seen dominate in New Japan. When that match happened with Pac, it was just the weirdest, most awkward match. Either their styles clashed or it was just, I don't know, they weren't prepared for it. On that same note, I think one of the biggest things in that same vein is that
00:23:08
Speaker
They've always presented Roman as a freaking top, as the top dog, as a big dog. Like it doesn't matter. Even if he was, even during his suffering, succotash promo, he was still presented like he was the big dog. You know what I mean? Like the company was behind him. Whereas like Kenny.
00:23:23
Speaker
We were all hyped when Kenny and them started AEW because we were like, holy shit, we're going to get New Japan Bullet Club Kenny in this new company. It wasn't presented like that. It's kind of hard to work backwards. I've talked about this before. Now we're to believe. Of course, we all know because we're in kayfabe or if you just started watching AEW, you're supposed to believe that this is the best wrestler in the world. He came into the company in this
00:23:50
Speaker
Slump where he wasn't really like doing his normal thing and he wasn't presented as such a big deal I mean you had like mocks and Chris Jericho and all of them being presented and even hangman being presented as a bigger deal than Kenny Omega And so it's kind of hard to work backwards from that and now tell them like oh Well, this is the best wrestler in the world, you know We've gotten past that but I feel like that was a huge hurdle in the beginning whereas with Roman There was never any doubt that he was supposed to be the guy
00:24:16
Speaker
Yeah, I think that was due to that was just because they were making a concerted effort to not push Cody, Kenny and the Bucks out of the gate, because the big fear that was that AEW was going to be TNA 2.0, where, you know, Jeff Jarrett was the owner and also like the main event talent. And I think they just were really they made a little too hard into that direct start of it. And, you know, obviously they've corrected it since then. But yeah, you're right. Kenny was
00:24:42
Speaker
It took a little bit before he was really presented as the best wrestler in AEW. All right, let's talk promo. So I'm going to put Sheena on the spot first on this one. Who gives the better promo? Kenny Omega or Roman Reigns. So this is a very broad topic because I feel like you could go a lot of different ways depending on what era of Roman and Kenny that you are talking about. Answer the question, Sheena.
00:25:11
Speaker
I'm going to say, don't at me. Right now, Roman Reigns is cutting better promos than Kenny Omega, because I just feel like he just feels very authentic in what he's doing. He feels like a bad-ass. It doesn't feel forced. It doesn't feel like he's trying to be a heel, which sometimes I feel like Kenny is really just trying to like be over the top. And that's kind of, you know, maybe that's part of his, part of the gimmick of how he gets heel heat. Um, but I feel like Roman just, his, his presence,
00:25:41
Speaker
is what makes him a heel. His badassery is just what makes him a heel. He doesn't have to give over the top promos. He just says what he means and then walks out of the ring. I've heard a lot of people saying, oh, the only reason Roman is over is because he's got Paul Heyman.
00:26:00
Speaker
don't think that Paul Heyman is being used in the same capacity that he was used with Brock. He was straight up Brock's mouthpiece. Brock just showed up, kicked ass, and that's what he did. He never spoke or anything like that. Whereas Roman, he's literally cutting all of his own promos. Every once in a while, Paul will jump in or Jay will jump in and say something. But ultimately, Roman's carrying his own weight in his promos. And at this moment right now, champion versus champion, I take Roman's promos.
00:26:29
Speaker
All right, Marco, we let Jordan kick off the end ring portion. We'll give you first stab this time, promos, Kenny or Roman. I think she kind of nailed it as far as my thoughts on the two of them. What's your take?
00:26:42
Speaker
I don't think I have to add to anything besides, I mean, they both have their, obviously like Paul Heyman isn't an advocate right now. He's just a part of the council. He's the wise man. He's the wise man of Roman Reigns, so he doesn't need him to speak. He needs him to reassure, kind of like how he did, let's say last week when he made, he had Paul Heyman
00:27:10
Speaker
tell Brock Lesnar, you know, in person that he was going to beat him like that type of thing. He'll, he'll say what he needs to say. He's the messenger. I feel like, I feel like, uh, Heyman is the messenger, you know? Yeah. His role is completely different with, uh, with Roman Reigns and Roman Reigns is always able to speak even when they, you know, they had that first shot of them together. And we were just like, what the hell they're together. And then the next week on SmackDown, you would think, you know, Paul Heyman was going to cut those like crazy promo on how, you know, how they got together and all that stuff.
00:27:40
Speaker
It was, it was Roman that actually cut the promo, um, that, you know, clearly he was ahead of the table and all that stuff, the tribal chief, all that. So like, yeah, I mean, you know, with, with Kenny's promos, you know, you have Don Cowes in there. He talks a lot. Um, I think Don, Don talks, I think Don talks more than Paul Heyman, Don carries more than Paul carries Romans promos for sure.
00:28:04
Speaker
Yeah, and I said this before too. The two bad chads kind of called me out on this. I love Kenny Omega. He's one of my favorite wrestlers. But I don't buy him as a heel. That's my biggest thing. If he was just kind of like rode the fence a little bit and he was kind of a good guy, bad guy, I could buy that.
00:28:26
Speaker
it just comes off I think like to me it comes off comedic when he's trying to be like like like he's trying to be like this badass dude and maybe that's not his angle maybe he's not trying to be a badass heel maybe he's just trying to I think the smarmy kind of smart ass like obnoxious mullet and like over the top like clothes and like
00:28:46
Speaker
Attitude and everything to me. I like that. I like that kind of healed, you know what I mean? And it works for me I mean a lot of people say it comes off as comedic. I don't mind a little comedy, you know again This is totally like what your preference is whether you prefer the Roman style like, you know Just beefy badass or you prefer like Kenny who is just like, you know He's gonna show you when he gets in the ring, but he's kind of like playing mind games
00:29:09
Speaker
The whole way the whole way there, you know, and I'll go on the record and say I like I like heal Kenny way better than I like face Kenny 100% but see my thing is I seen I seen the smarmy Smart alec heal and that's Seth Rollins. He does that way better than Kenny does. He's more believable as a as a hill to me Than yeah, exactly that guy in the back there. He's he's more that character is like he's
00:29:37
Speaker
So my thing is he's, he's in Roman's position, Kenny Omega, and he's trying to, he's trying to play Roman as a, he's trying to do the same thing as Roman does as a champion. And he's trying to play Seth's character as a, as a, as a smart ass heel, basically. And he does it as champion too. So, I mean, he doesn't better like Kenny. I just don't buy it. Like I can see Seth Rollins and I can believe
00:30:01
Speaker
He's gonna do something. He's he I could believe he's a hill. I can believe he's just he's a he's that character Oh, yeah, gives me total total asshole vibe. I think I see him 100% like I feel like he everything he does I'm just like, oh he's such a douche You know what I mean? And that's that's what he wants you to feel and yeah, you know It works for me. I'm interested to hear what hear what Jordan's gotta chime in on this All right, Jordan. Let's hear it. All right, so
00:30:29
Speaker
I, both of you started with, okay, so like, let's just take this last year and a half run of Roman and we'll talk about just those promos. Like, hold on. So we're just going to ditch everything before that neck. Like that never happened now. Like no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're going to, we're taking the whole thing of both these wrestlers. We're comparing them as a whole, right? Like that's what we're doing. Like we've talked about Kenny and new Japan. We've talked about old Roman like, so as a whole,
00:30:56
Speaker
Dude, Roman Reigns was shit on the mic until he got with Paul Heyman. Hey, whether or not you guys want to admit that Heyman helped him a ton on the mic. He did because he makes him feel more sure of himself the same way he does with fucking Brock. Look at Brock on the fucking mic without Paul Heyman. It's like, don't you guys remember when Brock got on the fucking mic and Paul Heyman was like,
00:31:20
Speaker
Oh God, here we fucking go. Like dude, that's, I feel like that's where Roman was when Paul Heyman got with him. Like Heyman just gives him that level of like confidence. Like you are the baddest fucking dude in this company. He doesn't have to declare anything anymore. He just, you know, he just says, if you have kids when I'm on this show, it's not PG. I kind of shoot it out a little bit here. So, um,
00:31:46
Speaker
Kenny like I get what Marco saying I completely get it like it's hard to buy him as this person because he is so nice but like dude Romans the exact same way Seth is the exact same way like off camera they are like the nicest guys ever so like you have to like put that put that away like dude
00:32:04
Speaker
Kenny reminds me of like a sleazeball like car salesman kind of dude right now like that's like the vibes he gives off to me and it works to me like his fucking hair his facial hair the way he comes out to the ring it just it's just all douchey like it
00:32:19
Speaker
it's not the same as Roman because he's not he doesn't come off as like a straight like i can i can destroy you in two seconds but you still know in the back of your head and Kenny Omega can still pull out the cleaner and kick anyone's ass when he talks on the mic like right i do feel like they lean on Callis way too much and i don't like Don Callis at all like i never have it's just one of those things you don't like the jackal no
00:32:44
Speaker
I didn't like him at first, but he grew on me. I kind of dig Don Callis and what he's done with Kenny and the Bucks and all of them. I like it.
00:32:54
Speaker
So I guess for me, like if we're doing overall of like the specs of their career, I would go with Kenny on the mic just because I felt like that dude from the beginning could deliver a powerful promo. Yeah, they're leaning on Don Callis too much now, but dude, still, you guys don't think Kenny Omega could come out and deliver a powerful promo with nobody else out in the ring. Like, dude, he could talk to an empty arena and I'd be fine with it. I don't know. I've never been a fan of Kenny's promos. To me, that was always the weak spot. Even going back to a step in New Japan, I felt like
00:33:24
Speaker
It was kind of just generic. I felt like I get it to me. I feel like Kenny is acting when he's doing promos. You know what I mean? It never seems real to me.
00:33:33
Speaker
Whereas there's just a little bit more realism from Roman. Dude, Roman's most impactful promo was when he announced he got fucking sick. Dude, up until that point, the dude didn't have an impactful promo. What about when he was calling out Seamus for having tater tots? Get the fuck out of here. You are serious? What about when he told the Jack and the Beanstalk story to the big show?
00:33:58
Speaker
Dude, Roman did nothing on the mic until, and it's sad to use that as like his crutch for like his biggest promo because up until that point, there was no promo that you were like, all right, man, that's Roman's number, Roman's number one promo. There wasn't one. Hey, I'm about to dunk on you, dude. I think the best promo. Uh, so I started back watching wrestling hardcore in 2014.
00:34:21
Speaker
The best promo I have seen in that seven year period was the night after WrestleMania 33 when Roman got cussed out by the fans for five minutes, picked up the mic and said, this is my yard now and dropped it and walked out. What's been better than that in the last seven years? I think it was where he came out and I think Brock Lesnar was supposed to appear on Raw.
00:34:46
Speaker
And then, you know, when we came out and cut that promo, like, Hey, guess what, guys? Guess what? He's out here tonight. Just like he isn't any other night. And he just went on that whole thing about like, Oh yeah. And then like, they did that thing where he went back and he got in that confrontation with, uh, with Vince McMahon. Um,
00:35:04
Speaker
Like see the that's a bit cv. That was a memorable promo because everyone's actually on his side Because people are just like what the hell this dude doesn't show up with the bell ball, but I think that was like leading up to when he Actually beat him it might have been that now that was uh, that was before WrestleMania 34 when he ended up getting beat too Yeah, yeah, summer slam was when we finally beat him. So yeah, yeah, he said he said he had a few gyms mixed in with the duds But yeah, you're right. Yeah, we can't forget about him getting dog food smeared on his face by Baron Corbin stuff That wasn't
00:35:32
Speaker
And that wasn't as long ago as it seems, man. Yeah. Let's go ahead and mark that. Yeah. Well, let's say the other thing, too, is Kenny of the Bucks didn't start dressing like that until Seth Rollins did. So let's just throw that out there as well. Yeah. To me, like I said,
00:35:48
Speaker
He was doing that. The drip god definitely originated that for sure. Yeah, then they try to copy him. Like, try to be, like, super obnoxious and wear crazy stuff. Like, that's why I don't buy it. That's why they, like, anything they say, anything they dress as, I see that already. And one man did that.
00:36:04
Speaker
True, but you can't look at the elite and just not think like, this is just a bunch of freaking bros, dude. These are like straight up bros and they're just like those guys that are like only cool to themselves, but they are so confident in their like coolness in their pack that they just exude straight douchebaggery, you know? They come out in onesies for God's sake. Yeah, exactly.
00:36:30
Speaker
I usually get worried. Hey, don't be talking. Don't be talking shit about rompers and onesies. Okay. Yeah. All right. Your clothing line. We're talking about a dude wearing it. Marco called me a witch one time on the show. Yeah. I need y'all to back up off. Let's go to the next category. This one is probably the most objective. We're going to talk presence. All right. So this is really just kind of,
00:36:59
Speaker
the vibe you get when they come out, how they carry themselves in the ring, backstage promos, all the above. Sheena, who's got the better presence out of Roman and Kenny?
00:37:09
Speaker
Oh, it's 100% Roman Reigns has got the better presence, dude. Like Roman comes out in 4K looking like a freaking Greek God. You know what I mean? Just straight up like freaking Khal Drogo walk into the ring, you know? Um, and he's just got this like Al Pacino, Tony Soprano energy. And like, meanwhile, like.
00:37:30
Speaker
Kenny gives you more of like the Joe Pesci energy. You know what I mean? Like he's like, you know, the funny guy, the little funny guy. And then you got, you know, fucking Tony Soprano over here. Uh, so yeah, I think, uh, Roman all the way. Yeah, I agree. When Roman's music hits and the slow entrance, like
00:37:50
Speaker
It feels like the most important thing in wrestling when he's making his entrance. The music was a huge upgrade. The music is straight up video game freaking boss battle. It's a tragedy that he didn't have that music for his entrance at WrestleMania this year.
00:38:06
Speaker
Yeah. WrestleMania 30, 37, that may end up going down as like the peak of Roman Reigns. And it's just a shame that when we go back and watch it, he won't have that new, that new music. Cause the entrance was still Epic with the, you know, Paul rocking the lays. Yeah. If they can, I'm cool with them going back and retroactively stitching that music in, uh, Marco, I'm pretty sure where you coming down on this side, but I'm going to ask you anyways, the presence who's got the better presence between a Roman and Kenny.
00:38:31
Speaker
It's definitely Roman. I mean, Jordan is probably going to say otherwise, but I mean, she had already hit the nail on the head with just a presence. Just how he carries himself when he's walking down to the ring. The way he holds the belt, it's just a presentation overall. Just a look. When he's on that stage, when he's getting ready to walk down that, it's all business. He's serious. There's no smiles. There's no joking.
00:39:00
Speaker
It's game time with Roman Reigns and you don't see that. The only thing holding him back is that giant CGI Roman that they always flash. That's horrible. That is the freaking worst, dude. That is like a freaking buzzkill 1000. You hear the music, you're like, oh, hell yeah, you're freaking vibing to the music. And then all of a sudden you see this like,
00:39:23
Speaker
Giant Roman Reigns. He definitely needs a Bobby Lashley entrance. The almighty entrance is probably the best. The lightning bolts. The best entrance that they have right there. I'm against all of the augmented reality that David just had going for the last few years. Those things are already not good. So those things are definitely not going to age well. You know what I mean? Those things are like, well, we can look back on these matches in this like this period of time, we're going to be like, good God.
00:39:46
Speaker
You don't like the Bianca Bel Air lips with the... No, no. I don't like none of it. I didn't like it when it was a CGI dog. I don't like it when it's a CGI Roman. I don't like none of that. Get rid of it. It's ridiculous. Jordan, you got any counter argument for Kenny having a better presence than Roman?
00:40:06
Speaker
dude you guys have got to stop saying like the last nine months like dude you guys are killing your own fucking argument they came out they came out as the freaking number one and number two wrestlers but let me just let me just let me cut you off real quick
00:40:27
Speaker
You're telling me when the freaking big dog is walking down through the front audience? I haven't even said anything yet. When he's walking down through the front. I don't care, but that's when he was spitting stuff around succotash. He still had presents, because he was coming down. Yeah, exactly. I haven't even said my point yet. All I said was, you guys got to quit using the last nine months as you're already arguing for Ronan. I rolled it all the way back and gave you an example of why he's still badass. All right, so presents.
00:40:56
Speaker
Marco, don't fucking start sighing. All right, so here's what I'm gonna say. It definitely feels, and you guys are gonna be shocked to hear me say this, it definitely feels like a bigger deal when Roman Reigns comes out. Thank you. It definitely does. Hold on, hold on. But let me say this.
00:41:15
Speaker
When Kenny comes down to the ring to wrestle a match, that presence, you know that at any point you could get a five-star match with Kenny in the ring. So his presence in the ring, I feel like him getting into the ring for a match, his presence is stronger. If he's coming down just to kind of promo,
00:41:32
Speaker
absolutely fucking not. Like, dude, Roman Reigns literally looks like a million fucking dollars. Like, if you're going to, like, put together, like, all right, man, here's what our prototype wrestler, this is what we want him to look like. Dude, they're going to spit out Roman Reigns. The dude, when he walks to the ring, it feels powerful. Like, the two bad chaps are going to get pissed at me for praising Roman. But, dude, it just feels like a big deal when he comes to the ring. Like,
00:42:00
Speaker
I don't feel like it was as much before. It was still a big deal, but it just got hokey to me, dude. It was just the same entrance every time. All right, man. Now he's going to come down through the crowd. It just, I don't know. I think you guys are 100% right. The music makes it feel completely different. That music makes him feel way more made than the old music did, because I think everybody was just tired of hearing that fucking music. I was, at least.
00:42:28
Speaker
It just got to a point where I was like- He should've got new music after they broke up with the shield for sure. Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah, definitely. They shouldn't have just gave him that like a custody battle like when the kids- Yeah, he got the shield gimmick. He still wore shield gear for like years after they broke up with the shield. And it was stupid, like for what?
00:42:45
Speaker
Like, what was the point? He was hanging on. He was hoping that his family would come back together. I'll give this one to Roman just because it does feel like a bigger deal when he walks to the ring right now. Yeah. Because they have made him feel like a million dollars. And dude, having Paul Heyman at your side, I don't fucking care what anyone says. When that dude is your manager, your advocate, your fucking counsel, whatever you want to call him, dude, you know the big match is about to go down when Paul Heyman's out there.
Fan Influence and Memorable Matches
00:43:12
Speaker
Paul Heyman is there for the main event and the main event only. I'll give Kenny props real quick because when he squared up with Daniel Bryan, you got that feel of like badass Kenny. You know what I mean? Because we're used to him being like jokey and having the elite out there and kind of just like cutting comedic promos and stuff and making corny jokes. But like when he squared up with Daniel Bryan like
00:43:34
Speaker
He had that intensity. You know what I mean? Like you could just tell like, Oh shit. And like, that's when you're like, that's when you start to like take that step back and think like, Oh God, this guy could like kick my ass. Exactly. Exactly. But that's still presence. You know, like if he, if he used that more than he used the, you know, the joking, you know, elite Kenny, um, I feel like people would be like, Oh damn, you know, I agree. Um, but I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't hate the jokingness. I don't hate the lightheartedness that Kenny brings to his,
00:44:03
Speaker
Matches in his presence, but it does feel good when you're just like Dan This is the this is the best wrestler in the world, you know Like I'm about to watch the best wrestler in the world. Yeah, I'm gonna give I'm gonna give that a
00:44:14
Speaker
I'm going to give that to Daniel Bryan over, uh, Kenny Omega. Sorry. When that, that match happened, it was, I don't care what anyone says that was more wanting to see Daniel Bryan face Kenny Omega. This was when they were just like, when they were making the match, when it wasn't, um, you know, like, yeah, it was still Daniel Bryan to me. It's Brian Danielson.
00:44:39
Speaker
The bride Daniel said yes, he's a bigger name out of the two technically so Marco stop. It's uh, I you say I mean it's true No, I would rather see Kenya. I kind of got a role with Jordan this one. I'm over Daniel Brian. Do you guys? Call him I've I talked about it a few times like it
00:45:01
Speaker
the fans are the ones that have pushed him up, man. He is great, but he's not an all-time great man. God forbid the company push somebody that the fans want them to push. That would be fucking terrible. Yeah, that's awful. That's not what Seth is saying though, dude. I get what he's saying because when the fans pushed Daniel Bryan, I was one of the people that was like,
00:45:23
Speaker
We're really going to believe that this fucking little short dude is better than fucking Triple H. And I come on, dude, like he became just the the avatar for the fans. It wasn't so much about him. People just left onto him and he became like, OK, we're going to hijack the shows.
00:45:40
Speaker
until we get Daniel Bryan in every main event. I mean, you saw it at WrestleMania this year. I guarantee you the original plan was Edge versus Roman one-on-one, but we had to get Daniel Bryan in there. I'm surprised Daniel Bryan hasn't been inserted into the main topic of this podcast, and we didn't make it a three-way between Roman and Kenny and Daniel.
00:46:00
Speaker
It's that so it's become a meme at this point like anytime There's a big match coming on you'll see you know people like steal real to us and like atomic elbow They'll make the memes of no now. It's a three-way with Daniel Bryan jumping in there So he was the meme of the guy licking his chops. Sometimes he sees a big edge because edge couldn't
00:46:23
Speaker
To have a match of Roman. They couldn't do it. We're talking K. We're talking K. Yeah, there's no way that would I mean that match would have went off with Roman and an edge. It would have been an awful match. Yeah, dude. Marco, you lost me a little bit with and you said Daniel Bryan better than Kenny.
00:46:53
Speaker
Dude, Kenny Omega pinned Okada, dude, without any fucking gimmicks. He just pinned him.
00:47:01
Speaker
He didn't need the fans going yes, yes He just fucking went out there and pinned him even when he didn't he still looks like a million dollars Did he not I mean, but he how many matches did he have with Okada before he beat him? My point is is every time Kenny wrestles. He looks like a million bucks. You're talking Like a million dollars did was lose his entire first three years and He get it over by losing. Well, he
00:47:30
Speaker
If you want to, I mean, it's like, he's not like them on this unlimited win streak. You're literally sitting here and saying that, that Daniel Bryan is a better wrestler than Kenny Omega. I'm not going to allow, I'm not going to allow this, you know, just slander on the planet's champion. Okay. We're not even talking about him tonight. So I'm not going to sit here and let you guys just slander and drag his, and drag his good name.
00:48:00
Speaker
through this perfect soil. You know what I mean? That he helped to foster. He's the planets champion. Most, most overrated guy at the current generation for sure. Daniel Bryan. Oh my God, get out of here. That's a hot take.
00:48:15
Speaker
Let's go to the look. All right. So, uh, the, the look between Kenny Omega and rumors, you know, that's one of Brett's, uh, that's one of his three big categories, how he rates wrestlers, the in ring, the promo and the look. Um, I'll start off first in promos. I like Roman's look in ring. I like Kenny. Kenny always has fire gear. It looks like a million bucks. Roman still rocking like the cargo pants. I don't really know why I'm not a fan of, uh,
00:48:43
Speaker
for main eventers of rocking pants like that. Like Andrade is doing something similar. Andrade in AEW is wrestling in like dress pants. Like he looks like he's wearing fucking dockers or something. And it just takes him down a notch. I feel like Roman, if he just went to like regular tights or something,
00:49:00
Speaker
would make it look a lot better he's still rocking if they're not the exact same they're very similar to the pants he was wearing with the shield. But yeah, I think Roman could evolve the ring gear a little bit so I'm going to give the overall look to Kenny, even though both guys look excellent in range. Sheena what about you who's got the better look.
00:49:18
Speaker
I think Roman's got the better look. I think just as far as like straight up like athleticism, if you're just looking for somebody who's just like the statuesque like version of somebody like an athlete, like I feel like Roman is like that, that mold, you know? And of course you have those guys like Kenny that are
00:49:34
Speaker
that are out there that, you know, they're a little bit smaller. Um, they're freaking kick ass. Um, I like, I like Kenny's look. I like the obnoxious. I like the mullet. I like the little glasses. I like everything he's doing right now. Um, and again, like you said, he has always has killer gear, but I'm going to go with Roman simply because like, again, just, I think it all kind of like, uh, encompasses with it, like with his presence, I think it all just kind of like molds into one, like his look kind of just helps with his presence. So I'm going to say he's got the better look. All right, Jordan.
00:50:05
Speaker
I mean, if we're going off, like just like actual look of the person, like Roman, obviously it looks like a million dollars, but like ring gear wise, like I'm in a hundred percent agreement with Seth, like, dude, Kenny's ring gear is always fire and he always has great ring gear. Like, dude, they're, they're always rolling something new out for him to roll to the ring.
00:50:24
Speaker
as opposed to Roman, like we've added a gold glove. Like that's the, that's the big, that's the big upgrade we've made to Roman's gear. Roman's got, Roman's got multiple kids, dude. Don't be like Kenny's probably spending like freaking thousand dollars every time he gets those new ringer. He's thinking like, damn, I could put one of my kids through college, but you know, I keep buying this fucking ring here. You know what I mean? Roman ain't making like a trillion dollars a year. Can't afford new ring gear. Like get the fuck out of here. Yeah. It came out this week that Roman is selling more merch than any heel in WWE history.
00:50:54
Speaker
Wow. I can buy it. Yeah. Marco, who's got the better look, Kenny or Roman? Yeah, definitely. If we're going by look, it's definitely Roman Reigns over Kenny Omega. We didn't say gear, so we got to throw gear out of it. If you're going by look as in presence, yeah, definitely Roman Reigns is the better looking of the two. If you put
00:51:14
Speaker
the two champions next to each other, a pitcher, or have them stand side by side. Who are you going to look at? Obviously it's subjective, but just on presence alone, who's going to look like a champion? They both have their belts on their shoulders. They're both shirtless. They're both standing there. Who are you going to say looks as a better champion? I'm going to go with Roman. That guy borderline erotic there, Marco. Hit the porno music, Seth.
00:51:43
Speaker
All right, let's wrap it up. We'll go one by one. We've talked presence, we've talked promos, we've talked look, we talked in ring. Overall, Shane, who's better, Kenny or Roman? Why do you go with the freaking fence rider first?
00:51:59
Speaker
Um, man. Okay. I mean, you can still ride the fence when nobody here is going to judge you. This is true. Um, so what I will say is both men are amazing. I enjoy watching, um, AEW and Kenny Omega. And I respect everything that Kenny has done as he's climbed, you know, the ranks and literally held titles in multiple companies, like multiple titles in multiple companies, you know, and fought on some of the biggest stages outside of WWE and sold out arenas.
00:52:30
Speaker
However, I feel like overall, people literally tune into SmackDown just to see what Roman is going to do. SmackDown could be the drizzling shits and people are literally going to tune in just because they want to see what Roman is going to do.
00:52:45
Speaker
Whereas I don't feel like people have that same energy. Like they're not tuning into AEW to see what Kenny's doing. Like there's a million other things on AEW that people are like excited about that aren't Kenny Omega. Um, and I mean, again, you could bring that back to like, well that, that means that AEW is better than WWE if they have more things that people want to tune in for. But the fact that people will still watch an hour and 30 minutes of the drizzling shits to see what Roman is going to do.
00:53:14
Speaker
Like that, that shows you what kind of pull he has and what kind of draw he is and you know, how captivating he is. So I'm going to say Roman Reigns is overall number one. All right. Jordan.
00:53:31
Speaker
dude, the biggest we're talking about wrestling. Okay. So the biggest criteria for me is the actual wrestling dude, you can throw all this other shit, look, presence, you can throw it all out for overall, I care, dude, I'm here to watch wrestling. They could not do another promo for the rest of eternity and I wouldn't be mad.
00:53:50
Speaker
like dude i'm here to watch two guys wrestle each other and put on the best show possible for us isn't that like the joy of going to a live show is dude all you have to watch is the wrestling you don't have to listen to commentary you don't have to listen to anything else you're just there for the wrestling and for me if i'm just going for just the wrestling dude kenny omega just
00:54:11
Speaker
Marco even said at the beginning and dude hit this dude stands Roman Reigns till the end all of you guys do and Marco said at the beginning This dude would wrestle circles around Roman Reigns So for me if I'm going on just straight wrestling, which is what I base mine off of I'm going Kenny
00:54:26
Speaker
And see myself, I like storytelling. I love the in-ring wrestling, but I also am here. I'm here for the stories and Kenny is a master storyteller and he's like very patient with his storytelling too. I mean, he can literally like tell a story over the course of like multiple years. Whereas like, again, I don't feel like Roman has, I mean, Roman doesn't have that much.
00:54:44
Speaker
Like create it or he didn't have that much like creative control. So unfortunately, he doesn't have the power to like continue storylines from like three years ago or four years ago. But I mean, look at all the stuff which is like Kota Bushi, you know, that like periodically would like peek up, you know, while Kenny was in New Japan and all that kind of stuff. I feel like and all that stuff is really meaningful to the people who are paying attention. So I feel like
00:55:05
Speaker
yeah he's also a master storyteller too. I'm not backtracking on what I said about Roman being number one but the in-ring work is amazing and the storytelling is amazing too. Yeah for me, I love what Kenny does. I love what he means to the business but again going back to the presence thing, Roman just feels like the most important thing in wrestling right now. So at this moment, I think Roman's number one. Marco, what's your pick?
00:55:32
Speaker
Oh man. Why'd you give me the last, the last decision for this is horrible. I mean, you kind of, you and you and check that's Epic back and forth is really kind of what inspired this to be the, uh, the main topic for this week's show. So you can have the last word on this one. I mean, we weren't really breaking it down. Like we were like, yeah, like all the categories and stuff where you're just going back and forth, uh, just like tiff or tap with different things for each guy and stuff like that. But I'm trying to tally up what we went through. So we had it ring. Kedy Omega, right?
00:56:13
Speaker
I mean, overall, I mean, I'm the same thing as Sheena. I'm a storyteller person. I love the whole story of a match before it actually happens. I don't want to say the wrestling is secondary, but to me, you have to be hyped up for the match.
00:56:14
Speaker
Right. I think Kenny Omega was a promo, right? Yep. Yeah.
00:56:33
Speaker
like you have to want to go see that match like they in any type of any type of like combat sport boxing they have you know they have their pressors where the boxers go back and forth same thing in the UFC they have you know they have their presses they go back and forth look at you know Conor McGregor words matter before a fight happens so if you get the two people jarring at each other
00:56:54
Speaker
sell the fight a lot more. That's going to, that for me personally, again, subjective, that's going to, that fair that more. So I'm going to go with a Roman just based on that, just for the, just the, just the overall storytelling and then the in rank stuff, you know, to be a secondary. Three to three to one Roman to Kenny. All right. So the break's in. But you know,
00:57:23
Speaker
Yeah, we probably got some heat with the Too Bad Chad, so we'll make it out to them and play their ad for their podcast right now.
00:57:30
Speaker
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00:57:59
Speaker
All right, it's time for the Royal Rumble
Halloween Havoc and Wrestling Promotions
00:58:02
Speaker
segment. Sheena's up first this week. So Mandy Rose going up against Raquel for the NXT Women's Championship has been announced for Halloween Havoc coming up here in a couple of weeks. And it will be a spin the wheel, make the deal match. So Sheena, let's hear what gimmick do you want to win?
00:58:25
Speaker
Oh, I just botched the sound board. We'll run that back one more time. We're talking about Halloween Havoc. So, you know, fuckery is abundant. You know what I mean? So WCW production. Yeah. What match do you or what gimmick do you want to win?
00:58:38
Speaker
Um, so they haven't announced what the, what the gimmicks are. Have they, did I miss that? Okay. So I'm just making up my own gimmick. Yeah. We don't know what I was going to be on the wheel. Okay. I didn't, I didn't think I'd miss that, but, um, I'm thinking like a headless horsewoman match where the first woman to incapacitate their opponent and then stuff their head into a jack-o-lantern wins the match. You know?
00:59:00
Speaker
Dude, would that not be like perfect Halloween havoc? That's pretty creative the headless horsewoman match
00:59:13
Speaker
On a serious note though, really quickly, I think it would be cool. I know it's kind of like taker's gimmick, but I wouldn't mind having like a women's like casket or like buried alive match. I think that would be pretty cool. Yeah, I think it'd be pretty neat. But yeah, let's go. Let's, let's shoot for the headless horse woman. I want to see, I want to see freaking Mandy Rose with a freaking jack-o-lantern like stuff on her head, you know?
00:59:31
Speaker
Marco, as we're recording right now, actually we just kind of, it just wrapped up. So the anticipated 30 minute head to head between SmackDown and Rampage. Who is going to come out on top on the ratings war?
00:59:46
Speaker
Um, I mean, I watched earlier, so I know they, you know, Roman didn't appear yet. Brock Lesnar didn't appear. Uh, so it seemed like they were saving them for that, that, uh, last, you know, 15 to 20 minutes of the, of the show. I think, uh, I think, uh, Becky Lynch and Sasha Banks started at the 10 o'clock hour, if I'm not mistaken. Um, so that drew, I mean, that's going to draw people in any way just to see them too. Uh, so I'm going to go with.
01:00:15
Speaker
Marco just turning up that heat. We're going to get with our, uh, breath or no return bubble tab. We'll see the numbers don't lie. I'm sure, you know, we got all the ratings nerds out there. So I'm sure we'll have reports probably before we even end up before we finish recording. He was like, he had to go live and say, you know, I got more money than they do. Like I can go ad free 30 minutes, you know, the last 30 minutes of every show, you know? Yeah. All right. We're going to let our guests, uh, bargain.
01:00:42
Speaker
We're going to let our guest Jordan go next. Hit row after Swerve Scott losing the North American title this past week on NXT 2.0. They are most likely main roster bound. That should be the next time we see them. They have made a pretty big impact in NXT. They got over immediately, won some gold, but they're heading up to SmackDown now. Jordan, are they going to rise to the top or will they be a flop?
01:01:10
Speaker
First of all, I fucking hate that they called them up already. Like, dude, they were just now getting over an NXT. I loved them in NXT. Everything, we've talked about this numerous times, dude. For some reason, when they call people up from NXT, they lose something. So based on the history, I'm going to say they're going to flop on the main roster, which I hate saying because I absolutely love this faction. I think these things are great.
01:01:38
Speaker
Yeah, I'm worried about it. It seems like another classic thing where you take a nuanced gimmick from NXT, and they just take one or two aspects of it and make that the whole focus of it and water it down. We'll see, they're going on SmackDown, so that's good. I'd much rather want to go to SmackDown than Roth. I was a talent coming up.
01:01:56
Speaker
Yeah, I'm a little bit worried about him. All right, Marco, we're going to kick it back to you. So GCW had their Fight Club pay-per-view this past weekend. GCW is making a strong case for passing up Impact as the number three organization in North America right now. It was another great show. Give us a 30-second review of the pay-per-view.
01:02:15
Speaker
Man did you I mean, hopefully you guys watched it. Oh, yeah, I watched that that main event was a With something special. I mean if you love the Matt Cardona Nick age match then you'll definitely love this one. This is Just balls to the wall just like even more blood and guts you posted a pitch it earlier with with that explosion of fluorescent light bulbs over John Moxley's face just and that was just a tidbit of the match but Yeah
01:02:47
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah make Foley coming out to to present the the world championship. Yeah, that was that was awesome, man You think you think it was a bigger deal than him presenting the 24-7 championship? Oh
01:03:03
Speaker
is where it's at. It's still standing strong. It's eternal. The 24 7 championship is eternal. We're going to hit our bonus category. So you're recording inside state lines in the state of Kentucky right now. We want you to go rogue, go against the grain, go against your birthplace. You got 30 seconds to explain to all the listeners why Popeyes is superior to KFC.
Fast Food Feuds and Figure Reviews
01:03:27
Speaker
Oh man. It's only 30 seconds. I think, you know, being from Kentucky, people automatically assume that you like, you know, horse racing and KFC, right? That's the two things that people associate Kentucky with. And I don't really care for either. Um, I'll eat KFC in a pinch, but they cannot hold a candle to Popeyes. Like first of all, um, the Colonel, you know, white people notoriously under season their food. So you know what I mean? Like how are you going to have a white manager mascot, right? And, uh, freaking, I want some like good season fried chicken Popeyes.
01:03:58
Speaker
What? Am I lying? I'm not even touching that one. You guys don't worry about the two bad chats. We got to worry about some other people getting upset. I know. We got to get our podcast canceled. Maybe we're not going to hit it. It's a good thing we didn't make any big plans for milestone episode 150. Because yeah, it may not be happening now. For Apple iTunes, it's probably going to take us off here.
01:04:21
Speaker
I didn't even, you guys got all in your feels and I didn't even get to touch on my, all the seasonal offerings or the limited time offerings that they have, you know what I mean? You're liable to just pull up to freaking Popeyes and they're gonna give you some gator bites, you know what I mean? You never know what the hell, what they're gonna have. And KFC never has shit like that. Popeyes all the way, 100%. All right, let's drink to that.
01:04:57
Speaker
All right, it's time for the weekly beverage break. Sheena, you can kick it off. Try not to offend anybody. What are you drinking this week? I didn't, I didn't, I didn't offend nobody. I offended you guys. Hopefully your beer is seasoned. Yeah, it's seasonal, right? So it's a, it's a crisp, hazy apple, urban artifact, um, bushel spiced apple goes. So what's the actual beer called?
01:05:24
Speaker
I don't know. It's called Bushel, I think, is the name of the beer. It's by Urban Artifact. It's called Bushel. I guess it's like a bushel of apples, right? As a spiced apple goes, it is a 4.2% alcohol by volume and pretty freaking tasty. You guys know we're all about the sours and the goes, and it's perfect spiced apple for the fall. All right, Jordan, what are you drinking, man?
01:05:52
Speaker
I'm going to give you guys two because I drank two different beers tonight and this one was awesome. This is my first one. So I did Monster Mash was the first one. Like, dude, I love Halloween. It's Pumpkin Ale. It's brewed by the Spencer Brewery in Spencer, Mass, which Marco, huh?
01:06:11
Speaker
This one was really good. This is probably the best pumpkin ale I've ever had, honestly, because some of them, it's just overpowering. This one was really good. Then a beer to make Bretman absolutely love me. We're drinking some Stay Puff tonight. That's awesome, dude. It's by Wild Onion Brewery. It's a brown ale with toasted marshmallow. It's phenomenal. I'm going to send one to Marco and I'm going to send one to you guys too.
01:06:38
Speaker
Thanks. Awesome. Yeah. Make sure you guys both have one. What's the, uh, what's the ABV on that, dude? So this is a 5.5. Oh, nice. That's pretty light for a brown ale, man. Usually those hit pretty heavy. Uh, it's really good. I kept it mainstream this week. I started off with a, uh, a Modella, you know, that's like the classier version of Corona and then chased it with the, uh, you know, the unofficial beer at the Chick Foley show. Good old fashioned Miller white, uh, Marco, what are you sipping on, man?
01:07:06
Speaker
I started off with the Broken Skull because obviously that's the year-long IPA. It's the official IPA. Yeah. Even during Halloween because that's a skull. I mean, we established this last week. But I'm sticking with the Rodes Mary's baby poke the nail. Nice. I love it. It does have spice to it. It's not spiceless, so Sheena would definitely love it. Your beer is seasoned, Will.
01:07:38
Speaker
All right, let's get into the figure four.
01:07:52
Speaker
All right, it's time for our weekly recap of the latest in wrestling figure news. We'll start it off with a live review of unrivaled seven. So, you know, again, change up to the to the format. I'll be showing off the figures instead of this time. We'll go one by one. You know, we're going to do the how many Marco. So this is a one to 10 grading scale. So Marco Jordan, every one of you guys got knees yet? Yeah, mine got here today. Nice. Marco, you had a chance to see these in person yet.
01:08:22
Speaker
No, not yet. All right, so here we go. So we will start off. We'll do a we'll write these two together, man. We'll do the tag teams together. So let's start off with F.T.R. Dax Harwood, Cash Wheeler, the guys with the names right out of a, you know, Facebook wrestling name generator in their white gear with the red jackets and the AW belts. Sheena, you can go first. How many Markos do you give these guys?
01:08:47
Speaker
Are we rating them as a tag team? So just like, okay. So, um, I'm going to give them a.
01:08:58
Speaker
I'm going to give them a six. Um, we got DAX kind of bringing down the average a little bit. Cause I actually really liked that. I like the red and white gear. I like that they come with the tag belts. Um, the face scan on DAX is a little bit off for me. It doesn't really capture him. It just kind of looks like, you know, generic bald man, um, for the creative player. But yeah, I'm going to give him a six as a tag team. Uh, Marco, how about you?
01:09:24
Speaker
Uh, I haven't seen him in person, but I've seen the pictures. I'm going to go. I mean, they, I'm going to go with Sheena. They are, they are pretty generic looking. Uh, nothing stands out except for the, the, obviously the red jackets are pretty, pretty bright, but I'm going to go, I'm going to go with a 5.5 for the, uh, for the FTR.
01:09:42
Speaker
I'll go next to me. I'm giving these guys like a four man. The ring gear and jackets are great, but these head scopes are atrocious. I think they're right in the mix with with Pac from I think that was AW series two for being the worst head scopes we've seen from the line so far.
01:10:02
Speaker
I still love everything that that aw and jazz wars is doing but these ones just missed the mark I'm actually considering taking my revival elite figures which are right back here, if you can see, and doing a little Frankenstein action and maybe taking the head sculpt off of those and popping those on the jazz wars figures to see how it looks because
01:10:23
Speaker
Yeah, I can't ride with these guys. I love FTR, Revival, whatever you want to call them. I love these guys. And these do look like if they have proper head sculpts, they would be kind of like the definitive revival figures, but it's just not connecting for me. So not a fan of these because of the head sculpt. Jordan, what say you?
01:10:41
Speaker
Dude, I think all you guys are high. These are fucking atrocious. Those head sculpts are so bad. Like, dude, it ruins the figure. Like, dude, all the stuff that you can say right about these are ruined by the head sculpts. And this was the two figures I was most excited about in this line. I'm going three, and I still think that might be high, honestly. Dude, those head sculpts are miserable. They look like two guys that were walking down the street, and they're like, all right, I'm gonna sculpt your head real quick, and that's what we're going with on the revival.
01:11:08
Speaker
Like, dude, come on, man. Let's be real though. Cash is OK, but the DAX one is just horrible, dude. DAX looks horrible. But this just goes back into, like, they can't even capture them. Like, these guys, you know, it was like the running joke in NXT. Like, nobody could tell them apart, you know? Like, it was just kind of like, you guys are the most generic. You don't have anything that stands out about you. You know, and granted, we love FTR. They're badass wrestlers. Like, we love their style of wrestling. I love their style of wrestling. But yeah, they're very generic looking. It's bad.
01:11:38
Speaker
Yeah. All right, let's go on to the second tag team in this set. The Bucks of Youth, the Young Bucks, Matt Nick rocking the Lakers gear. Jordan, you can go first this time, man. How many Marcos do you give these figures?
01:11:51
Speaker
So as bad as the FTR is, these make up for it. These are awesome. I honestly think these might be the best Young Bucks figures so far in this line. And I loved one a lot, but these are phenomenal. So I'll give these a 8.5. Yeah. I love them too. Did both of the other sets have soft goods? Is this the first one that's got the rubber jackets?
01:12:12
Speaker
No, so series one had soft goods jacket. Series three had rubber vests. Oh, that's right. They only had one set with soft goods jackets. The thing that was different on series three, which is why I still put them a little bit higher than these, is they had the actual tassels on the boots. These got the rubber molded tassels, which are cool, but they spoiled us with that last set with the gold tassels.
01:12:34
Speaker
I'm gonna give these, I'll go 7.5, man. And it would have been, they've probably been around a nine if they would have had the actual like string tassels. Marco, what do you say on these ones?
01:12:44
Speaker
Yeah, I was going to say the same exact thing. I'm going to do a seven. I think not having the cloth tassels kind of killed it for me, especially with the set before. I mean, you definitely get the more updated look of the of the bucks with the facial hair and stuff. But yeah, just the just the gear alone kind of, you know, killed it for me in that sense.
01:13:05
Speaker
It's kind of like all the warriors, the Mattel elite, how they all have like kind of like the rubber everything, like nothing. Right. Except for if you got the Jax classic superstars, you've got the the warrior with the actual cloth like tassels and stuff. But yeah, that killed it for me. So definitely a seven. Even the Jax, the Jax bone cruncher warrior back in the day had had the actual stringed tassels. Yeah. And I think it makes a difference. Oh, yeah, definitely. Sheen, how do you rate the books?
01:13:34
Speaker
I'm going to fall right in the middle. I'm going to say 7.3. Just because I prefer a more colorful bucks colorway, I think the predominantly black base on these just kind of makes them a little bit flat. I do like the yellow and purple, the Lakers look. Looks really good. I agree with you guys about the molded tassels. I prefer the loose fabric tassels, but the head sculpts on these are good. I like the head sculpts. So that's a win. So yeah, 7.3 for me.
01:14:00
Speaker
All right, up next we got the Murderhawk Monster, Lance Archer, Super Toyetic. This is probably my most wanted guy in the AEW line. I think they really nailed it on this figure. It's got the size, really cool looking ring gear with the black and gold. It's got, or the black and red. It's got his red braids. I'm going to go 8.0. I think this is an awesome first time in the line entry for Mr. Archer. Jordan, what about you?
01:14:25
Speaker
Yeah, I'm about same. I'd probably go like a 7.5 to an eight. This is a really good figure. Like you said, I was really excited to get this one and it didn't disappoint. So Sheena.
01:14:38
Speaker
Yeah, I think I was super excited when they announced this figure. Um, and I'm excited to get it out of the package. So for all you people that keep it in, so you're never even going to get to see the actual murder Hawk. So, um, I'm pumped to get it out and see the back of it. Um, let's see what the, the, the braid situation is back there, but yeah, I'm going to give it, uh, I'm going to give it an eight.
01:14:58
Speaker
All right, Marco. Yeah, I'm going to go even with that. Definitely innate. I was just actually just looking at the, uh, the, the chase version of it. The gears pretty awesome on that as well. Um, I think it's a pretty good game.
01:15:14
Speaker
It's kind of like a metallic silver with red. It looks pretty awesome. I think the likeness, I think the head sculpt is really, really good on this as well. But yeah, I'm going to go with that. I'm comparing the braid to the Bianca Bel Air Elite.
01:15:34
Speaker
If it's not up to par with that it might it might have to drop a few points. The Bianca braid is awesome, dude Yeah, they nailed that I don't even look that the sad thing is is it doesn't look like I can't tell from the picture Does it even is even braided? It looks like it's kind of like little straight strands Yeah, they're braided you can see yeah, I'm looking at it right now It's it's it's got a little bit of like braid texture to it. So okay
01:15:57
Speaker
All right, we'll wrap it up with what I think is the highlight of the set. Marco, you can go first on this one, since this is Howie Marcos. What do you think of Nyla Rose?
01:16:05
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's pretty awesome as well. And they actually, Ringside actually just posted her the chase for that as well. It looks pretty awesome. I mean, I think this is probably like when they announced it, this is my pick out of that whole line. This is actually probably my favorite one. Yeah. I mean, it just looks like an awesome figure. I think they had sculpt books really good on it. I think the Chase version comes with like an orange.
01:16:38
Speaker
It's almost like a scarf, man. It doesn't look like there's anything down the back, but yeah, it's pretty cool. I think this is definitely their best women's figure so far. This is the first women's figure that they've dropped.
01:16:52
Speaker
that looks like it has makeup on. You know what I mean? Some of the women's space sculpts so far have fallen kind of flat because they look like it's just more of a natural look. Yeah, I really like this figure a lot. I think I do it probably 8.0. I'm going to give it a 9. Nice. I'm going to give it a 9.
01:17:15
Speaker
No, I don't like this figure at all. It's not the white. I shouldn't say it. I shouldn't say it at all. The body and the ring gear and everything is okay. The face is atrocious. I hate the face. I hate the wide open mouth. It looks just like her though.
01:17:32
Speaker
The picture on the box. I feel like I would have rather had like that like sneering like like look in like the wide open. Her mouth looks humongous. It doesn't even look like a real mouth. It looks like a girl, man. I think. Yeah, I don't know. I think this is one. This is I think the best head sculpt in the series for sure. The best head sculpt in the series. Yeah. No way. I think it's the best one. I don't know. I think they nailed this figure. Yeah, I'm giving it. I'm giving it a five. Jordan.
01:18:16
Speaker
Yeah. Jeremy, if you're listening, Cheetah did not mean any words she said. Don't block her. Maybe that apple push-up beer she's drinking is sitting too hard, because this figure is badass, dude. You guys were worried about me getting blocked, and you guys said that those freaking, the FTR figures are like,
01:18:31
Speaker
Yeah, I think this is great. This is the best figure in this set for me. Thank you. I'm doing honestly on this. This is by far the best women's figure they've done to date. Yeah, definitely.
01:18:36
Speaker
fricking atrocious and miserable. I'm more scared of Nyla Rose than I am at TRN. Nyla Rose, if you're listening, it's check Foley on Instagram. That's how you want to- We're not shooting at Nyla Rose.
01:18:51
Speaker
Oh my gosh. You guys bring up Nyla Rose topic, I'm not coming on. Maybe it's been a while since I've seen Nyla Rose in person, or like, you know, I guess not in person, but on TV. We haven't seen a bigger person yet either. This figure is awesome. It's by far the MVP of this set. I'm looking at the ringside photos, so yeah, maybe it's better in person, because yeah, these ringside photos are not doing it any justice. Maybe she breaks bitches, so. Yeah.
01:19:16
Speaker
That's always about mine when I see you every time I see you on TV like the mouth is like it's not even it's not even like a yelling face like an angry face because her eyes are still kind of normal and she just like Like okay, anyway, I don't know. Yeah, I think you're
01:19:35
Speaker
You're on an island on this one. I think it's an outstanding figure. Definitely the best female figure they've done and one of the best female figures of the year so far. We'll make this next one quick, Jordan. I'll put you on the spot. So the Walmart Sting has been delayed.
Wrestling Figure Collecting
01:19:51
Speaker
Is it going to be series two of New Japan Super Seven to the States? Yes. You think it'll still be? Yeah, I'm skeptical that we're even going to see New Japan Super Seven this year. So yeah, unfortunately, I think you're right. Going to the other side of the pond over in the UK, Chilla Toys has announced that Hollywood Nova is coming out to their line, which is going to be awesome. We're already getting big Stevie cool.
01:20:15
Speaker
Blue Meanie's already in hand. So the BWO is complete. Marco, I'll put you on the spot, man. Now that we're getting the BWO, what is your most wanted figure faction that we don't have already? Oh, man. Since we have Haku.
01:20:31
Speaker
I definitely like to get like a like a heat in and I mean, I'm not sure if he could definitely if you could do Andre I mean super seven does Andre so I'm saying I'm saying any figure line. I'm not limiting you to cello who's Yeah, what's the yeah, what's the faction you want to see it done? Oh, man See
01:20:53
Speaker
Probably no be pretty cool. I mean since I'm an ECW fan or was when they were around I want to see the triple threat. There you go. Factions Candido. Yeah, and bam bam. Yeah, man. That would be cool. Shane does that would be pretty awesome. Yeah, I like that. That would be dope Jordan. What about you?
01:21:13
Speaker
This one's tough. I mean, um, I, I do wish they would do, um, some more of the, if we're just talking like Chella doing toys, I would like to see them do, um, some of the NWO guys, like some of the lesser known NWO guys, like Horace and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. I would like to see some of those lesser guys get, get figs. I think that'd be pretty cool to have some of those and maybe the, uh, maybe the NWB team.
01:21:41
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Definitely not the A-Team. We don't need any more A-Team figures. We just need the B-Team, the guys that don't get figs. Yeah, like I said, Vincent, we can definitely get him, hopefully. That'd be awesome. Dude, I'd buy all those. The meat sauce. So my dream would be, this would probably be a Mattel Creations drop. We need Mattel Elite oddities, man. I think that would be so awesome. Yeah, I really like that. So we need, you know, we need Kurgan.
01:22:05
Speaker
We need the ICP Golga to complete the faces of John 10 to give us loon of a Sean. You know, we need a loon of a Sean Elite anyways. I think you probably do those five and be all set, man. But yeah, I think that would be awesome. You guys are super Toyota anyways. They were over the crowd pop anytime the oddities came out here during the absolute era. But but yeah, I'm that would probably be my most wanted.
01:22:32
Speaker
Let's get into weekly purchases. So I'll go first already showed kind of the highlights with unrivaled seven coming in. But we did have two of our legends from target that made their way the, the JYD in the red gear, and then the WrestleMania eight right Piper so big fan of both these figures. We talked a couple weeks back about how
01:22:51
Speaker
The red JYD kind of had a soft spot in my heart because it's the matching gear from his LJN figure, which was one of the first wrestling figures I really played with. And then I love this one because WrestleMania 8 against Brett is one of my favorite Brett matches. So yeah, this is probably my most wanted Roddy Piper figure with the long hair. I would kind of, I feel like he needed to come with the icy belt that really would have completed it. But you know, it's cool either way. I have enough of those belts already and I'm not an MOC guy, so it wouldn't have mattered.
01:23:19
Speaker
Really cool figure, big fan of both of these and I'm looking forward to hopefully Billy Gunn and Kevin Nash show up this week. Marco, what did you grab this week?
01:23:30
Speaker
Yeah, just a piggyback off of the Roddy Piper thing. Weird thing, my son loves Roddy Piper, because he plays 2K20. I have 2K19 and 2K20. So he picks us random people. For some reason, he picked Roddy Piper, and he loves his entrance music. The bagpipes and everything, which is pretty funny. And I have the old entrance stand. Remember when you could press the button?
01:23:59
Speaker
I have Jericho still. I don't know how I found it. I have the Jericho with the break the walls out and I have the Piper one, but you press it. He just, it's annoying, but he presses it all day long. Yeah. Yeah. So I got a, I mean, we talked about this earlier. Finally, it's in my possession, the debut attire for Jushin Thunder Liger, which is
01:24:23
Speaker
pretty awesome even the other if you notice like the the lettering and the packaging is completely different from the other ones it doesn't have like the doesn't say liger at the top i mean it does but it's another language
01:24:37
Speaker
They kind of changed up a little bit on this one, which is pretty awesome. I can't wait to crack this open. We talked about this last week. I mean, the Storm Collectibles figures are awesome. I mean, they're insane. This one, it took me a while to get. I've been searching, like, high and low for a great price on it. It's the same person. It's Jushuntan De Liger. So has anyone ever seen this before?
01:25:05
Speaker
Blue Demon, Jushin Thunder Liger. Wow, that's awesome. That's an exclusive figure from Stone Collectibles. It's not NAUTS.com. It's a Japanese website. Wow. Marco busting out the rare heat.
01:25:25
Speaker
I had this save forever on eBay, because nobody had it. It popped up around the time when they first came out. The red, white, and gold, Jewish and Thunder Liger, the black Thunder Liger, when they were on ringside, when they first appeared. This showed up, but then it disappeared.
01:25:45
Speaker
I see it on eBay and I was going to buy it, but it was at its regular price. But then after that, it just went to like $600, $700. So I was like, yeah, I'm not paying any of this. So I waited for years for this. And it actually, I finally got one at a decent price. It's insane. So I don't have every single Storm Collectibles
01:26:07
Speaker
You should have done the liar until they come up with another one. So yeah, so the collection. That's awesome, dude. Jordan, would you grab? I know you got some heat you're about to show us. You actually got a super rare figure. All right, man. This is going to take a minute. So I will start with today. I found the Hollywood Piper. John Nada. This is quality. One of these is coming to Marco, too. So he can look forward to seeing this next week.
01:26:37
Speaker
And then I got, we got legends Piper, just like Seth. Copy. Yeah, exactly. And then I also got the J Y D chase with the blue pants. I take it. I take it. You're wanting to chase Marco.
01:26:53
Speaker
I mean, I want both of them. OK. And we know you're a big JYD fan. Yeah. And then I got a package from the Phelps. I got the Jushin Thunder debut gear. And then I got this as well from the Phelps. So that's a down payment on that Hollywood Hogan and Jeff Hardy Ultimate Edition, man. So don't get it up. Because if those don't show up for the end of the year, I'm repoing that Sergeant Slaughter, man. All right.
01:27:18
Speaker
And then we'll get into the heavy hitters now from Steven Odette in the fully fam group. I've made a trade for the chase slaughter. So what did you trade for it if you don't mind disclosing the terms of the arrangement? So he wanted a SDCC GI Joe snake eyes that I'd never seen. I ordered it for him off eBay and that was the trade. And then the most.
01:27:46
Speaker
Dude, I'm not kidding you. I've hunted for a long time. This was probably the most excited I've ever been. I got this today. I got the Darby Allen Chase with no sticker on it. Yeah, that's cool, dude. Is it the Chase skateboard also? Yep, yep. I want to say, yeah, so this is really kind of, it's neat that you found this, man. A couple months ago in the Foley Fam Facebook group, Chalk Line Chad, Chad Roberts, he found the Series 3 Darby Chase
01:28:15
Speaker
with no sticker. But I want to say his, I think it had the regular skateboard. I think it was Chase Darb. The figure was the Chase, but it had the regular skateboard. So that's the Chase skateboard that came with yours, Jordan.
01:28:27
Speaker
Yeah, this is the chase. Does it got the red number on the side or is the side the same as the regular one? No, it's red numbered. Okay, so the sticker just fell off. The chase sticker just came off at some point. Yeah, so, man, I was jacked to find this. I had to do a double take because I was like, wait, there's no chase sticker.
01:28:49
Speaker
And then I sent it to the group and she was like, Oh, that's cool. Are you keeping that? And I was like, fuck yes, I'm keeping it. And she's like, Oh, it's the chase. Yeah. It didn't even register. Cause I wasn't, you know, I was just kind of checking it while I was out with the kids and stuff. And I was like, Oh cool. He found the unrivaled Dari or what's it? Not the unrivaled the, uh,
01:29:05
Speaker
Unmatched. Unmatched. Unmatched Arby, yeah. And then, yeah, I was like, oh, cool. You keep it. And I thought maybe you got it for somebody in the group. And he was like, oh, fuck yes. And I'm like, well, I need to look closer at this. And yeah, sure enough, I'm like, well, damn. I sent a picture of it to Seth first. And he goes, all right, what do I owe you, man? I'm in debt to you forever. Yeah, I just think he's going to hook it up. It's pretty cool, though, man. So you said you're going to keep it, man? You're going to sell it? What are you going to do with it?
01:29:30
Speaker
So the plan right now is to keep it. I mean, if somebody made me a good enough offer, I'm sure I could be persuaded to sell it. But as of now, it's staying in the collection. So everybody's got a price. All right. Let's hear from our buddy, Extra Cooler. Hey, everyone. It's Nick, better known as Extra Cooler. Is there anything better than diving back into the wrestling archives and watching classic matches from the past?
01:29:55
Speaker
Yes, there is. It's doing that with your buddies while cracking jokes and enjoying some ice cold beverages. If that sounds like fun to you, then be sure to check out my new podcast, The Extra Cooler Show, where each episode, my Survivor Series team and I review an old school match chosen by you, the listeners. The Extra Cooler Show is available wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to subscribe and follow us for new episodes every other Thursday morning.
01:30:26
Speaker
All right. A couple of false starts on the Sammy Zane music there, but it's time for how many chicks. So this is where we grab one of our 1000 plus action figures and reveal it live. So we're doing it, um, slightly different, uh, version this week. Normally sheen is the one that is, uh, popping open the undertaker's casket and revealing the figure. I'm going to do it this week. And you guys ready? Yeah. All right. And the figure is.
01:31:04
Speaker
Yay!
01:31:16
Speaker
So this figure came out in early 2017 at Elite 47, I think actually grabbed this off the shelf there in Hawaii. He comes with his little dream catcher necklace got the red mohawk comes with this tomahawk and he's got that it's not it's not attached but it's also not detachable like the rubber like I don't know if you'll call it a loincloth or whatever this is and
01:31:40
Speaker
Again, just like those bucks we talked about got the molded tassels Shane you can go first. How many chicks do you give this figure?
01:31:50
Speaker
Oh man. Okay. So I'm going to give it, cause the talk only has two elites, right? He's got the legends and this one, right? Yeah. He had this one, which is, this is kind of like to talk his default look. And then he had the legends figure was based off his, uh, look he had very briefly. I don't see, I don't ever even remember him wrestling in the long tights, but that was something he had like the first couple of house shows he was at. Yeah. Um, I'm going to give this a.
01:32:16
Speaker
give it a 4.5 dude. I think, um, yeah, and this is a scale out of five, just a reminder. I know we did, uh, how many Markos on this show earlier, but this is just a, this is a scale of one to five. Yes. Um, super colorful figure guy. I love, I love the red mohawk, you know, the Rufio style hair down the, down the middle. I love the Tomahawk accessory, very unique accessory. And then, you know, the little, uh, like you said, dream casual necklace or whatever it is that it comes off. So yeah, I think it's a really, really good looking figure. And I have two, I prefer this one for sure.
01:32:46
Speaker
Jordan, you're our guest. What do you get? This is a great figure. This is this is like the elite that you keep of stock in your collection. Like you said, I don't even remember the pants one, to be honest with you. Like I remember like I remember seeing glimpses of it and I'm like, they made a figure of this. Like what? All right. But I mean, yeah, this is a great figure. I'd probably go four point. I'll go four point three. All right, Marco.
01:33:14
Speaker
Yeah, same hair. But I go four point five on that one. I actually do like the white pants one, too, as well, because, you know, the white pants pop. It looks cool. It looks good here. I just have no connection with it. Yeah, it's pretty. I mean, they're pretty similar in that sense, because obviously it doesn't have like the like you said, like kind of like the loincloth there. But, you know, that figure is really awesome. It's you said the red the red hair pops, the dream catcher necklace that he has on. It's just.
01:33:44
Speaker
It's an iconic, definitely elite figure. Yeah, this is yeah, it's a great figure. I'm going to actually go a hair above you guys. I'm going to give it a four point seven. I think the only thing that is keeping this from being a perfect figure is that it didn't come with the big headdress. You know, he used to rock the big, the big headdress. I'm actually planning on grabbing a a couple of the Chief J Strongbow collector's editions that are coming out here pretty soon. And
01:34:13
Speaker
and swapping out one of those headdresses with Tatanka. So hopefully that works out. So this is actually going to be our highest rated figure in how many chicks ever. He has passed up unrivaled Series 3 Darby Allen as the highest rated figure in the history of how many chicks. So well done, Tatanka. It's a monumental night for the Native American warrior. Sheen, do we got some listener mail? We sure do.
01:34:49
Speaker
All right. Zach Hertzler says, if you were to pick a wrestler's entrance music to wake up to, which song is it?
Wrestling Careers and Memories
01:34:55
Speaker
For me lately, it's been Hangman, Adam Page, and it makes me want to do some cowboy shit as soon as I wake up. So if you could have an alarm of any wrestler's entrance music.
01:35:06
Speaker
what would it be? I mean what better way to start the day than with the broken glass man there's no you know I hit stone cold Steve Austin man hit that glass go you're gonna pop out of bed ready to uh ready to whoop somebody's ass so yeah for me it's got to be stone cold
01:35:21
Speaker
Marco I Need I need a little bit of extra oomph to get me up in the morning So I'm gonna go with uh, I'm gonna go with diesel with that. Ah Just to get me going yeah, you get the truck horn and then wrote the Roseanne theme music What about you Jordan
01:35:47
Speaker
Dude, my actual alarm is actually Samoa Joe's theme song. Like, that's what gets me up and ready to go to the gym in the morning. I listen to that and I'm like, ready to go. Yeah, Samoa Joe wouldn't be bad because it's not like obnoxious. Well, the first little riff is a little weird, but they're just kind of like, like deep beats. You know what I mean? So yeah, it's not gonna like, I don't know if I would like the glass
01:36:10
Speaker
Or the the horn. Yeah, none of that's appealing to me. I like Roman's music. I think Roman's music would be nice and like chill to wake up to, you know, you just kind of start your your day on a badass note, you know, and it's kind of like low key. It's kind of like the same note all the way through. So it's not too much, you know, so I would go with Roman, but I do like I would have picked hangman out on page if it wasn't. Yeah, that's a that's a really good one. It's a great theme song.
01:36:35
Speaker
Yeah. Kevin Eugene says, do any of the three hosts, now we have four of us here tonight, have a fig hunting theme. I guess like maybe some music that you listen to on your way while you're fig hunting, you know, to get you pumped up to like score some chases and stuff. Jordan, you're a resident fig God. So what do you do before you, what's your process before you go fig hunting? You got anything that you do ritual wise?
01:36:59
Speaker
So usually when it's not football season, my ritual is to listen to the chick fully show on Saturday morning before I go fig hunting, depending on where I go. Um, there's usually a podcast on in my car, no matter what I, what I'm doing. Um, so yeah, my, my usual go to as a podcast, whether it's chick fully show, uh, extra cooler, turnbuckle tavern. Um, but I always have a wrestling podcast on when I go figure.
01:37:24
Speaker
So there you go folks. Uh, you know, the fig God is he, he finds more figures out in the wild than anyone else. And he listens to all of our pod foundation production. So that is your pro tip for today. Make sure you're subscribed to all pod foundation productions and listen to them before you go fig hunting. Um, Johnny JB says, have you, have any of you ever seriously considered a career in pro wrestling? I did when I was 19, but I joined the Marines after nine 11.
01:37:51
Speaker
Anybody? Anybody in the panel? Anybody ever wanted to like legit be a pro wrestler? I just never really had the size for it, man. So I don't think it was really an option for me. But did you ever, like, did you aspire to, even though you weren't like, you know, was it ever something that you would have wanted to do? No, not really. My dream job as a kid was being a ghostbuster. So being an actual wrestler, I don't know.
01:38:10
Speaker
Yeah, as much as I loved wrestling as a kid, for whatever reason, it just never really clicked in my mind that it was something I was going to be. I think maybe, maybe they just, you know, it sounds funny because being a Ghostbusters somehow did seem realistic. But to me, the actual WWE wrestlers were always just so much larger than life that, you know, it'd be like, want to be like a Marvel superhero or something when I grew up. So yeah, it never really crossed my mind to actually be a wrestler.
01:38:33
Speaker
Yeah. Same for me. I never really wanted to be a wrestler. Um, I was a hardcore, like tomboy growing up. Um, and you know, the women's, the valets and the women's wrestlers, you know, that were in wild, wild childhood, they weren't really like the kind of thing that I was like interested in. Like I wasn't interested in being like all glam, like miss Elizabeth or like, you know, being like fricking scary, like Luna, you know, like that was not my, my thing. I was like, eh, you know, so that wasn't my dream job. I never aspired to that Marco Jordan. Either of you ever wanted to actually be a wrestler.
01:39:05
Speaker
No, not really. No, I'm more of a watcher. Spectator Jordan. I mean, it never, yeah, there are people that you know, watch it and want to do it. I was, I was definitely never one of them. Obviously, you know, with your friends, you would do that type of stuff. Just like, pull wrestling moves on each other. But yeah, I never wanted to like, jump into it, you know, have it as a career or anything like that.
01:39:27
Speaker
Yeah, I always thought I could be like a performer. You know, I think everybody goes like, oh, I could be like, you know, a, uh, a singer or a dancer or something like that. And here I am. I have like a, you know, fricking fear of chronic fear of like public speaking and being in front of crowds and stuff. So I'm like, why would I ever think that I could do that? Like, no way, Jordan.
01:39:45
Speaker
So I had a brief moment in high school. We, uh, we would all, all of our buddies would get together for the wrestling pay-per-views on Sunday night at my friends at Tony's grandparents house, his grandma's house. And we had a backyard wrestling league, but nobody would ever wrestle me because they were afraid they were going to get hurt. Cause I literally, dude, I didn't know how to, um,
01:40:23
Speaker
Those poor wimpy kids freaking stalled your dream of becoming a professional wrestler, dude. He had to work on his crafty. He's working stuff. You need to find us some tougher friends, dude. I was hitting the clothesline from hell on him. I was like, probably not a good profession for me. I'm going to kill somebody. That is all of our listener mail for this week. All right. Sheena, remind the listeners that they can find you guys on social media.
01:40:26
Speaker
he was stiff.
01:40:51
Speaker
You can find me on Instagram at chick Foley. You can find Marco running the Twitter machine over at chick Foley show. And as always, you can join our Foley fam at chick Foley show.com. All right. We want to remind you guys to use code chick Foley to save 10% on all your purchases at ringside. And remember to shoot us a screenshot so that you can enter to win top picks Goldberg next week. And Sheena, it is time to hit the trivia question of the week. I'm trying to get a street going.
01:41:20
Speaker
Make it too straight for the first time ever. All right. Let me, let me look at this card real quick. All right. Who did Shawn Michaels defeat to qualify for the 1995 King of the Ring? Hmm. It wasn't Kama. It wasn't Mabel. It wasn't Savio Vega. It wasn't Undertaker. Who did Shawn Michaels?
01:41:50
Speaker
I'm gonna throw out just a shot in the dark new generation guess and say Jean-Pierre Lafitte Jordan you want to try to steal okay? Sorry I gave away the answer did either of you know to have a chance to steal Doesn't look like you knew In Kong Bundy was the answer this once again give us the give us some closing thoughts for this episode
01:42:21
Speaker
Um, have a great day. Don't take your kids solo on a, uh, on a 12 hour road trip. Take it from me. You know, they're always going to be better in their own home. So stay, stay at home base. That's my, uh, that's my recommendation for the week. All right. Thanks everybody for listening. We'll talk to y'all next week.