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The Kill Power Hour #060 - Against the Grain (1990)
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To no one's surprise, Tyler caps off his list of top-ten albums with Bad Religion, notably their 5th studio album "Against the Grain". After referencing no less than three dictionaries, thesauruses and encyclopedias, we're finally able to discuss the lyrical content of Graffin & Gurewitz's theses, sorry--"songs", as well as speculate about what contemporary political protest bands are out there. We're all in our forties, so we have no friggin clue. Enjoy "inspired-by" tracks by the Offspring and Parquet Courts--only one more episode to go!
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Introduction and Podcast Theme
00:00:05
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Kill Power Hour, a podcast where three friends spend the better part of an hour arguing and explaining why vegan zombies are so against the brain. Each week we go through one item on our top 10 list.
Exploring 'Against the Grain' by Bad Religion
00:00:17
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We're currently on albums and this week we'll be discussing Tyler's favorite album of all time, 1990s Against the Grain by Bad Religion.
00:00:24
Speaker
I'm your host, Eric, and as always, I'm joined by my best friend, Tucker. You're like a month late on that Halloween joke. yeah yeah and my best friend's little brother yeah I'm here again last episode nothing just kidding just kidding I got one come on out yeah but Tyler can summarize it by saying fuck you guys this album rules yeah and that's really all he has to contribute it is pretty much pretty amazing though fuck you guys this album is the best this is there we go we need that soundbite for the commercials we'll never make for the podcast we'll never publish yeah
00:01:02
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This is the podcast where we talk alone and record it and then never ever play it
Timeless Themes: Technology and Climate Change
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again. I mean, think about it. If Bad Religion would have just waited until now to put out this record, it would still be fucking relevant.
00:01:15
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Because we're writing all these songs about technology taking over, climate change, yeah state control. Yep. and But nobody would it would fall on deaf ears. Nobody would listen to this now.
00:01:26
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If this didn't come out when it came out, could you imagine... The youth of today listening to this? what not a chance. you think the youth of today listen to? Fucking Marshmello. is it Fucking Marshmello. Some asshole with a stupid fucking helmet.
00:01:41
Speaker
Oh. DJing. re Is this a real thing? yes You guys ever heard of Marshmello? I actually don't think his music's that bad, but it's just really awful. thought you were of Stormtroopers. I'm okay with that too, but um no, just I mean, I'm, I'm not trying to dance music. Hooray for the world. At some point I will go to some sort of dance thing like techno music. I'm, I'm butchering this. Some people are offended.
00:02:06
Speaker
The people that are actually not listening to this podcast, it's not being published, but up all the time we offend. There's just a lot less in modern popular music.
00:02:17
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I mean, like, All right, well, I see bad religion as like they're basically kind of pissed off at Reagan. and they are writing these songs in that world. like it's They are protest songs, I would say. like in the Weirdly in the same family, was like Pete Seeger and Joan Baez and going back even further to like Woody Guthrie, I would say.
The Evolution of Protest Music
00:02:41
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Yeah. So nine what what's the contemporary protest like so music or song? Because I don't think it's punk anymore. and Bad Bunny.
00:02:50
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Bad Bunny. Well, dude, those Curse of Owls are totally protest songs. What are? Cursive? Oh, yeah. Talking about getting trapped in retail jobs, trying to make the most out of their hourly wage. no popular music. yeah We don't even know popular music. Cursive isn't on TikTok. Tucker, cursive is it was like 25 years old.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they talk about like. bling i don't know is bling still a thing like getting yours i'm gonna get mine no i think these are very dated yeah that's why guys have kids what are they listening to edson listens to the same shit i listen to baby shark that dude will sing along with morphine and bad religion and weezer and shit like yeah because he doesn't have a choice in the matter you're forcing that shit down his ears yeah let him pick the songs are you calling blue album shit
00:03:47
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No way. I'm just saying that if your child had a choice and he heard Imagine Dragons, he would be all up in that shit.
Influences on Children's Music Preferences
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Probably. well he'll never have that choice What's the guy with all the face tattoos?
00:04:01
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Post Malone. yeah I don't think seven-year-olds listen to Post Malone. i bet if I guarantee you that if he listened to a lot of, but even the cleaner ah top 10 songs, he would he would like those more than what he likes.
00:04:17
Speaker
If you weren't in the equation, because he's doing these things to make you happy. Because he's a child. keep dad and happy and Make happy. But I mean, like Billie Eilish, like fucking... But
Greg Graffin's Scholarly Lyrics
00:04:28
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she's pretty good, right? She is good, yeah.
00:04:31
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I think she's got the crossover appeal. I think Lady Gaga had some crossover. She's some cross like old news at this point. Yeah, she is old also at this point.
00:04:42
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well Might as well put her fucking down like an injured horse. Oh God. Fucking injured horse. Isn't it crazy they put horses down on the fucking track?
00:04:55
Speaker
Have you seen that shit? They don't even take them off the track. They put a fucking curtain up and put those fuckers down right there. Right on the racetrack? Yeah, dude. Oh my God. It's fucking crazy. to Could you imagine did that happened to you? To football players. Holy shit.
00:05:11
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Just put up a curtain. Some guy comes out with a big fucking sledgehammer. It'd be better avoid that buried if they buried them on the field. It's it's's your mom with a beach towel, just like when when you were a kid, they wrapped around you.
00:05:26
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yes But someone just puts you down. ah love it.
00:05:31
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Against the grain. Against the grain. Oh, man, this is so good. This is... the this is Why I am who, why the way i am. This is, this is all my faults wrapped up into one, yeah many song album. Was there 17 songs in this fucker? How many? ah yeah Yeah. Yeah. And the song, the album's like less than 30 minutes.
00:05:51
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35. Okay. This, this really is like, it hits everyone. Pat, pat, This is what is constantly feeding through my head. if not the the words, the melodies, the like the vibe of that music is what I wake up to and what I drive to. what i just like This is constantly going on in my head. And every time I hear it, it's just the greatest thing ever.
Enduring Appeal of 'Against the Grain'
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it's been that way since at least... when tucker Tucker, when do you think we heard it for the first time?
00:06:22
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Oh, wow. Well, we heard generator the first time the year it came out and then we started working our way backwards. So, I mean, we probably found this by no later than 94, you know, since there's no streaming, you have to go track down a CD.
00:06:37
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Right. Yeah. So, 94. So, it would have been four years old maybe. Yeah. So, we're coming up we're coming up on listening to it for 30 years. Yeah. It's pretty impressive. And it's been out then for, yeah, almost 34 years.
Music Consumption Before Streaming
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I just, in it's not an album that I've tired. I mean, there's, I've got, okay, so people can't see it. Here's a fucking huge ass hundred CD book. And I got three more of them over there.
00:07:03
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And I like, if there's, if there's 300 CDs, like I'll take 20 of them. Right. And nine of them are bad religion albums because they're just, they hold up.
00:07:16
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You know, and some Lagwagon, some Pennywise, some No Use for a Name, some Strung Out, and then it fucking falls off. It's the whole reason we're doing this top 10 list. Kind of hilarious that the, like EC kind of alluded to earlier, was that like these songs are ever more relevant as time goes on.
00:07:35
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And I think any probably smart person could have gone, looked back then and looked critically and kind of just saw where the path goes. Sure. I mean, you can make vague songs about vague shit and it's going to come true. But some of this shit um is just is just right on.
00:07:50
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It's spot on. And I don't think he was far in his... post-secondary studies at this point. I'm thinking 1990, he was in grad school.
00:08:04
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so for EC, you don't know this, but like, so he is like, Greg is the he, ah greg Greg Graffin, the singer, and one of the two main writers, composers of all these songs, along with ah Mr. Brett, Brett Gerwitz.
00:08:21
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Um, he like
Graffin's Academic Insights
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Greg is like camping and doing field work like for months at a time during this period for a few years, um, in a serious relationship, like working a part-time job at times.
00:08:36
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Is he studying anthropology? So at this, his, un I don't remember what his undergrad is. um But he ends up getting his PhD, I think, and in ah anthropology. But he's on this path and he's like already se like segregating himself from, which is funny, it's like Modern Man is the first song. like He's segregating himself from a lot of like the hustle and bustle of LA where he ended up.
00:09:07
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And he's just camping and doing field work. But he has this like critical eye on modern everything, modern waste, modern politics.
00:09:17
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like Yeah, I think his lyrics are very prescient on this album. It's again, i would say my complaint is I don't like records where I have to pick up a dictionary every song to look up half the words in it. See, I fucking loved that. I had a list.
00:09:35
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I don't know about time, but I had a list on the back of my door in one of my high school bedrooms with all the words. Rectal linear. Yeah, no, this is a different, I mean, I'm weird because I listen to this all the time, but I mean, there's like a time and place. so There's a time and place for a lot of different types of music. Yeah.
00:09:55
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And like, I'm not going to like fucking bang to against the grain, you know i mean Like, it's not like bang. That's take it. That'd be a fucking cool tattoo.
00:10:05
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I bang to against the grain. Wow. Or a bumper sticker. There you go. But we already learned on this podcast that Tyler doesn't have sex to music. Because he doesn't have sex.
00:10:18
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Yes. Yes. Wow. Thank you for taking us there with the star. i love that commercial. All right. next Next season, we need to do video, too.
00:10:32
Speaker
Yes. Yes, we do. We totally do. Thank you. I'll do a backdrop. well I'll put some effort into this podcast finally. if we Just constant balloons. That's all that's going to happen. We do 10 episodes, a deep dive of the making of Kokomo. It worked.
00:10:49
Speaker
Did you see that? No. Look, it's working. Tucker's figuring out the hand controls on his ah Google cam or whatever the fuck's happening.
00:11:01
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He can fling confetti with his two fingers. That's fantastic. That's the dumbest shit ever. Like you're... Okay. Let's actually, since you have this like, you have this festive shit falling from your ah your your screen, let's play a game and we'll do, is this a Beatles lyric or a bad religion lyric?
Lyric Identification Game
00:11:20
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Oh, okay. Love this.
00:11:22
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He's a real nowhere man sitting in his nowhere land making those nowhere plants for nowhere. Very good. Yeah. Ecosystem destroyer. was definitely Ringo. Yeah.
00:11:35
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that was definitely ringo Yeah, it's just, yeah, i I think I, when I'm listening to this record, it's fine.
00:11:46
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But when I'm listening to it and reading the lyrics, that's when I get annoyed, I think. For the most part, he does a better job of fitting the words into the verses on this record. See, that's why I thought this album came after Generator.
00:12:01
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It seems like a more polished version of them to me. Well, Generator was them taking a different path again, supposedly, i think to some. Yeah, I feel like Generator, he was trying to do like a different cadence with his singing instead of this these three albums, No Control, um Against the Grain, and Suffer, I feel like are very similar.
00:12:24
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and ah And he sings them very similarly. like I think this one's a bit refined. Yeah, obviously. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, it sounds polished. They're tight, but not too tight. like Like, they mix it up little bit.
00:12:38
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Yeah. so Well, and I think this is one of the albums um where, um like, on Unacceptable, i I know we were kind of skipping around here, but, like, on Unacceptable, he's pissed.
00:12:52
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Yes. You know, like, he'll raise. almost sounds like a Black Flag song. yeah i i just find himself i find this album now after listening to it for so long and comparing it in this forum right and thinking like oh this one's chocked full of emotion yeah where i didn't really think that before i was under the impression that there was one song on no control um that was about a breakup and then everything up to Stranger Than Fiction, which is kind of like a divorce album, that it was just observation from a person who's a naturalist and a scientist and a scholar.
00:13:37
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But like look now I'm like, oh, he's he's not just picking a topic and throwing smart words at it. like I think he's kind of pissed and feeling things at certain points in this album. like, oh. Yeah.
00:13:50
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I think there's an urgency to it where he maybe believed that we still had a chance of saving ourselves. It's not jaded, but it does feel like a call to action, I would say. Yeah. There is. Yeah.
00:14:03
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I, if you, like I swear to God, I can feel it. And I read Greg Graffin's book just recently. So, but you know, as, as a bad religion, Tabby read it to you. Oh my God.
00:14:15
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Audio book. No, no, I read that fucking book. Fuck you guys. um He knocked it out a day. ah It's, it's like fantastic. Mr. Fox. It's ah the liter literal, literal, uh, equivalency of a fantastic Mr. Fox. Um,
00:14:30
Speaker
I feel like you if you do the chronological order Adelision albums, you can kind of tell the kind of shit they're going through, obviously with lyrics, but it gets kind of soft, man. I feel like this is one of the last bangers where he's he he sounds younger, he feels younger.
Graffin's Punk Persona and Societal Views
00:14:48
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There's ah more energy in the whole album.
00:14:50
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It is a little bit more angrier and not in a total well-thought-out anger way. um Yeah, it's kind of barely containable. Yes. Yes. ah The end of the of ah turn on the light is like one of the best placed fuckings I've ever heard where it's like a burn like a burn like a Roman fucking candle. Oh God. Like he can't like the scholar in him would leave out that fucking.
00:15:16
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But yes, he pissed. He he I don't know. Like I think this guy is like punk. He's really, I think he's really, really punk. He's just looking at it with the right the ability to filter it through certain criteria based on his more general understanding of the world.
00:15:42
Speaker
Does he ever write songs that criticize academia we like trying to solve the world in books? Because I feel like he's a little open to that.
00:15:54
Speaker
accusation I don't know. Yeah, no, I agree with you. um i think there is a song. I'm trying to think what... What were some of the first band names for Bad Religion? Because this had to be workshopped to be like an actual band name, right?
00:16:08
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So it was a like unacceptable denomination or insufficient theological construct. Wow. Or like, Greg, hey, we're just going to shorten it a little bit. Yeah.
00:16:22
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Oh, my God. No, I think in his book, they he mentioned like the fucking practice band practice I went to and they were like so spitballing names and yeah none of them were serious or whatever.
00:16:37
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yeah Bad religion is such a weird like if I if I told somebody that a bad bad religion and I show them the logo. but I'm pretty sure what they conjure in their mind is significantly different than what you get musically.
00:16:52
Speaker
Yeah. What would you think it is? I think it's, I think most people think it's a lot. It's like evil or they're like trying to be evil and they're like trying to, it's like metal or dark or something like that. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah.
00:17:07
Speaker
So Greg Raffin was 26 when this album came out. So you are still chocked full of energy. Yeah. That's a 26-year-old.
00:17:18
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And he wasn't broken and bloated until Stranger Than Fiction, so which is when you know that's their most commercially successful album. But that's kind of where they gained new audiences because of the explosion of punk and their major label debut. But also, a lot of people got off the boat for a while. Yeah.
Unique Song Endings
00:17:39
Speaker
Because by Gray Race, which was the next album after that, um It was kind of downhill for few albums. It was It was rock. It was just plain rock music. Yeah, it was rock.
00:17:50
Speaker
And were those years where Brett wasn't present too, right? Yes, absolutely. I don't recall the album that Brett came back on, but they had to bury that. Streetcar Named Desire was the song.
00:18:04
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Or Street Kid Named Desire, I'm sorry. There you go. And that was on New America. He came back, or he like he co-wrote that one song. okay that makes it and then the following album which was uh fucking done with brooks wackerman new drummer um uh i forget the name now can we talk about the way they end songs on this record uh particularly super abrupt ones like get off and blender head both just like stop like it's not like a sloppy stop it's like everyone's like weak In the middle of the fucking song. Dude, that's how I end the songs. That's every band i've ever been in. been like, no, let's not. No, let's just fucking stop it. Like, yeah shake some people up, man. I fucking love it. One of those songs, at least, like, Gerwitz was like, this is, it was super intentional. Like, this is how we're doing it, just to fuck with people.
00:18:55
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And like, throw them off that energy. I think that's Blenderhead. It's like, very trippy, the first and fourth time I've heard it Every time I'm just like, what? Oh, yeah, because get off ends with like a long. ah ah So maybe I read in some forum that someone actually thinks that's a jerk off. I'm pretty sure that what I hear when I listen to this is completely different than any other person.
00:19:21
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but's Because I've listened to it. Tens of thousands of times. Like, so many times. but I'm not, like, I'm very sure. I mean, literally do the math. That would mean you're listening to this album like seven times a day.
00:19:40
Speaker
It's been 30 fucking years, man. I mean, like, in yes and yes, I did used to go. Dude, i'm fuck you, man. mean, driving around in the end of the 90s, there was definitely. No, i I fucking did model trains, man. And I had like four fucking CDs and they would be in total rotation.
00:19:58
Speaker
Wow. Holy shit. No, man, you don't know. I did model trains. They only let you bring in four CDs. yeah I only had four CDs. And three of the CDs have to be about choo-chos.
00:20:18
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I remember all the Bad Religion CDs, all the Epitaph ones, because the first, whatever, four or five CDs, there was there was only the print on it. Yeah, she's talking about that. Yeah, yeah.
00:20:31
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I love that. I feel like when we were limited to CDs, there was like, like we memorized the fuck out of music. Oh, yeah. in I think in a deeper way than, I think, contemporary society.
00:20:45
Speaker
Oh, for sure. And I mean, skipping on those first CD players, I remember my first Discman. Yeah, so the whatever, the the sophomore of the Walkman, I remember the first one.
00:20:57
Speaker
You couldn't actually skip tracks. You could only like... you could only that hold it. I'm sorry, you could skip tracks, but you'd have to hold it to fast forward and you would all like the controls are so shitty that you'd end up accidentally skipping.
00:21:15
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So if you ever wanted to so move to a different part of the song, you'd have to do it like six or seven times to get it back. Yes, that was impossible. I did appreciate being able to skip entire tracks though. Yeah, that was pretty. That was a pleasant invention of the CD era. What do you think he's talking about green screen mentality and get off?
Complexity in Lyrics
00:21:32
Speaker
Cause green screens, I don't, I feel like they weren't really common back then. Oh, in the nineties. Yeah. You don't think so? Ninety? i Dude. Hey, we were doing our thing. screen But that's blue screen.
00:21:45
Speaker
That's different. That's chroma key. Okay, it's it's probably explain do explain. Well, green is different than blue. And ecstatic immolation, incorrigible delight. Jesus Christ.
00:22:01
Speaker
I'm so curious about what your your notes look like for quotes. Jesus Christ. It just looks like a thesaurus exploded all over my screen. I love that. I fucking love that.
00:22:12
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ah i Go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say, Tyler, are you gonna are we gonna, we're kind of all over the place in this one. Yeah, when we started with Modern Man. Oh, Jesus.
00:22:25
Speaker
I was already at Positive Aspects. No, no. That was the Jay Bentley song. No, it wasn't. Yeah. don't know who that is. No, that's the, that's, uh, uh,
00:22:36
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The fuck? Oh, wasn't it J? Positive Aspect of Negative Thinking. Yeah. that so That's what' so what we were talking about. That's where Tucker and I are at in this album. Oh, shit. But you want to fucking throw on a reverse and head back to Modern Man. Oh, okay. Yeah. Sure. Actually, ah this one is actually my least favorite song.
00:22:53
Speaker
Which one? The Positive Aspect of Negative Thinking. it's just i did I just don't jive with the song that much. i just It's a little... Tell me what this phrase means. The swath of endogenous of ourselves will be our quandary.
00:23:08
Speaker
Well, quandary's a problem. um So that's where let's reverse engineer this. Let's start with the last word. I know some of these words.
00:23:21
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That song does have the cool tempo change at the end. Yeah. I appreciated that. Yeah. I feel like Anesthesia was about like a sixth century Russian czar's daughter.
00:23:35
Speaker
I read once. Really? Yeah. Anesthesia, Mona Lisa. It's got a good chorus on that song. I've got a little gun. Here comes oblivion. and never loved you.
00:23:46
Speaker
How did you find me? The cops of new never proved complicity. Yeah. So the anagram formed by all good children go heaven. What is that supposed to be an abbreviation for?
00:24:00
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Like, what that's a mnemonic device for something, right? All good children. Wasn't it some like serial killers fucking something? i't know it was.
00:24:11
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I'm trying to remember. like well Listen to the Kill Power Hour where you don't learn anything. Where we tell you lies. Where we just speculate. Yeah. I mean, AGC GTH. All good children go to.
00:24:24
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Well, there was every good boy deserves fudge, right? Yeah. That was the piano. Yeah. Musical notes. Yes. I feel like this is one too. I could be mixing boy deserves fudge. That's a weird thing. Yeah. Fucking fudge.
00:24:41
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yeah
00:24:43
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Jesus Christ. Oh, every good boy deserves fudge. Back then we gave our good boys fudge. They deserved it. Because they were good boys. Jesus Christ.
00:24:57
Speaker
Anesthesia was the song that really reminded me that ah the production value felt bigger on this album. Oh yeah. Like the slow down and then kind of leaning into the effects with the the drum reverb shit going on there.
00:25:13
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don't know. I thought that was kind of cool. Do you guys know? Oh, those are steel drums. Was that what it was? Yeah, it was a separate person that came in and played steel drums. Whoa, cool. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty wild for ah punk band in 1990. Yeah.
00:25:26
Speaker
Did they use steel drums on Punk and Drublik? isn't there a song oh yeah yeah fuck them though they're they cop they had fucking trumpets and shit man they're like yeah and they were doing it as like a joke yeah i feel like bad religion is doing it seriously so oh yeah you yeah funny i mean punk and drublock was probably produced by brett gerwitz Maybe this is all Brett.
00:25:51
Speaker
Oh, I bet it was. Being all trumpety, trumpety steel drums. Some side steel drum business that he keeps trying Did you say trumpety or trumpy? Hey, leg wagon, you guys want some steel drums on your record? Holy shit. I'll him at a good deal. Here's the deal. I'm fucked. I paid Larry on retainer for steel drums.
00:26:12
Speaker
I need to get my fucking money's worth out of him. God damn it. He's here this week. Can you imagine how many albums that dude was working on and that label was pumping out at that period in time? If you're in your 20s, man.
00:26:25
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Epitaph. That is their label. of Wow. yeah damn And he's still? Do they own it? Brett Gerwitz is the owner. Cool. That's sweet.
00:26:36
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But yeah, it was like pretty much the tool for them to put out their own shit. But then signed so much good so many good bands in those early 90s. Yeah. no And then, of course, came out with Anti, which we've talked about.
00:26:48
Speaker
Right. Oh, damn. Okay. It's all coming together. a So do you guys think there's more people that believe in a flat earth today or when this album came out? Oh, more today for sure.
00:27:01
Speaker
That's insane. Dude, my old boss at the brewery, brother, is a flat earther. Or like a genuine flat earther. They just do it because they need friends. No, this guy has no friends, I'm sure. He is a flat earther. So I think most of it is people left to their own devices.
00:27:19
Speaker
They're not skeptical enough to be like, this is this feels too good to be true. And when a person is in that moment in their life and they need it and they fall into that trap,
00:27:34
Speaker
like a person selling a Nintendo switch on Craigslist during
00:27:42
Speaker
COVID. It hits home. It hits home. No, it's, it's, it's a true thing. And I don't really fault people for it. Um, until you call them out on it. It was hopefully a nice way. And they don't,
00:27:54
Speaker
Not you, Tucker. I'm saying, yeah, like the flat earthing fucking come on. If basketball taer basketball players are your like lead on on this new thing that no one else believes, no.
Favorite Songs and Production Quality
00:28:07
Speaker
Fucking no. like the the The world's fucking not flat. And if it is, also, P.S., none of it fucking matters because you're never going to reach the edge, dummies. You're sitting at home in Columbus, Ohio, typing on the fucking internet.
00:28:21
Speaker
Who gives a shit if it's a fucking trapezoid Yeah. What the fuck, man? You've probably never left the Midwest. you Don't worry about falling off. As a member of the Flat Earth Society, I have to say, lie, lie, lie.
00:28:34
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why Lie, lie, lie. This is actually my favorite fucking song, so we're going to listen to this. It's a good song. Lie, lie, lie. Lie, lie, lie. Lie, lie, lie.
00:28:45
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Lie, lie, lie. Lie, lie, lie. Lie, lie, lie. Lie, lie, lie.
00:29:04
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I've here today, singing happy little lies On right ship, humana, sailing far away With brave determination And no destination
00:29:43
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The is somewhere far away With their candlesticks and compasses And a right ship humanized Well on its way With great determination And no destination Oh, oh, oh, oh,
00:30:48
Speaker
Bad Religion, Flat Earth Society. it was a banger. That was a very... The harmonies on the Lie Lie Lie at the end.
00:31:01
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Very nice. like Just very well done. The whole production sounds just fucking just so good. It's pretty good.
00:31:11
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but that You don't think so? It's fine. It sounds like it's time. What else could they to this music? Yeah. Recording wise. Come on now.
00:31:22
Speaker
um I don't know. do you mean Is there something in the mix that you're particularly... It's a little compressed. It's just a little. Not full enough?
00:31:34
Speaker
No, just not separated enough. i think is a like the vocals I feel like they pulled out the vocals really well, but the instruments are still a little... I like all the guitar solos. amazing the guitar. yeah know It's cool. And you can kind of hear dueling guitar solos sometimes.
00:31:49
Speaker
They're not the best guitar solos, but ah they're trying. love them. And I i like them. They're trying. well Again, it goes back to just like, do you feel the emotional energy behind these songs? And I do.
00:32:00
Speaker
And I think that's ah where I get into it. I think this was a band that, at least from the outside looking just figured... they They figured out, you know what, this is all about being tight as a band, sure, but also that it's Greg.
00:32:20
Speaker
like It's Greg's lyrics that are what people are coming to us about. and then But I feel like they've added those oohs and ahs as like an extension. like oh I don't know, like were they throwing the band a bone?
00:32:32
Speaker
But like, you know what, guys? You could participate a little bit more. don't know. I think it was a, I mean, clearly their interests in music are pretty broad. Like if you haven't listened to Bad Religion's second album that no one talks about, you should fucking do it. It sounds weird and trippy and immediately made me respect the band actually way more because I'm like, oh, they're just interested in writing songs.
00:32:58
Speaker
Yeah, but then the the whole band quit and broke up because of that album. Because they didn't want to play it. True, because... but i No, but they were also fucking 17 at the time, or 18 or something. Right, they were young. Yeah.
00:33:10
Speaker
Yeah, I was reading, they they thought punk might be dead, and so they decided to go in this different direction. and it Again, they were fucking me young, but... Punk is dead. I do think ah the next track, Faith Alone, is the song, this is the thesis statement for the band.
00:33:29
Speaker
I would say. They redid this. Oh, go ahead. was just going to say it's like it is bad religion in a song to me. They redid it in 2020 and it's slower, but it's so rad.
00:33:40
Speaker
It's almost yeah kind of like, um i don't want to say creepy, but it's got like some extra differing emotions to it. Whereas Faith Alone here is just like,
00:33:54
Speaker
A jam. It is jam. Yeah.
Ongoing Relevance of 'Faith Alone'
00:33:56
Speaker
it Lyrically, it's where it starts really hinting at the climate crisis, though. i was like, oh, shit. Like, this is yes so fucking relevant lyrically today. Oh, my God. Yeah.
00:34:07
Speaker
Which is so depressing. Yeah, i love the I love the guitars on the beginning of Entropy. Like, they're intertwining guitars. I think of it as like a mess like a visual equalizer, like ring like steel wool, fighting steel wool.
00:34:23
Speaker
But it's not overly loud, so it doesn't like yeah rub rub you the wrong way. ah and it pops. Yeah, that's a start of side B on this record. Yeah. so that That was one of my favorite songs.
00:34:38
Speaker
Really? Definitely. I was thinking that Entropy isn't that different from like a They Might Be Giants song. You ever listen to those guys? well a little bit. david They would do songs about like helium and... oh and the sun right I feel like you could play entropy to a high school physics class and it would actually be fucking relevant they're like oh they're singing about Boltzmann's constant all this nerdy shit you know in a song don't know this begs the question why aren't there more songs like this that are smarter
00:35:15
Speaker
Well, yeah, I mean, like, yeah, like, I get it. So we we're stuck in this thing where the majority of songs about love and relationships.
Educational Value of Lyrics
00:35:24
Speaker
Right. Tell me they're not. What do you give me a percentage? of Fucking 70 percent. 90. 90 percent.
00:35:29
Speaker
ninety percent Most of it is about. And, you know, I might be naive to think that these guys are so special, but they give it in such an approachable way. That, yeah yeah, I listened to this. Okay, so say it's 1990, you're a fucking kid or a teenager, you're listening to this and you're like, what the fuck does this mean? right You go look at a book and you're reading it and you're singing these harmonies, you're fucking learning something.
00:35:52
Speaker
yeah You're probably rereading the shit you learned in high school but you didn't pay attention to because yeah you're fucking angry. There was no motivation. Yeah, and then this guy, which is fucking great. He's like the punk band fucking dude.
00:36:05
Speaker
And he's singing these songs, you're like learning about something. i feel I feel like a lot of people, it was this way with me. It made me like question regular things. Like, oh, fuck. Wait a minute. Oh, for sure. Science class is not like a total fucking bummer. Like somehow you can use it in real life. Like, does this make sense? Yeah.
00:36:22
Speaker
Yeah, he was all about second like learning. like yeah He made it a big part of his identity and hit hit the boundaries that he drew around himself and his family. And this guy moved away from California, and they did all of these albums as like everyone's in Cali and he's living in New York or Wisconsin for a while. Yeah,
00:36:45
Speaker
yeah smart dude. Yeah, it's weird also to think about the impact that these guys had on... I would say almost a generation younger than them. Yeah.
00:36:56
Speaker
Yeah. Like, like it is weird. Like how I'm going sing this and I'm, they're probably writing the songs I would imagine for their peers. And then all of a sudden have, they were young.
00:37:09
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, but still, you know, those kids had kids. Yeah. Well, mean, when they were trying to break in Southern California, know, so if how can hell be any worse is 82 years.
00:37:30
Speaker
Like, and like Tyler said, you know, people are like, oh, punk's gonna be dead because the late 70s, like, let's say 77 to 82, like, what happened there with LA-based bands, like, they are the young guns.
00:37:47
Speaker
Like, yeah they are, I mean, 82, that makes Greg Graffin 16. sixteen Dollars. If we do the time, worthless.
00:38:00
Speaker
Worthless. Yeah, they borrowed a, you know, yeah. Yeah, they're fucking children that are pissed off and smart living in like, if you read Greg's book, like,
00:38:12
Speaker
seems like post-apocalyptic LA, like everybody's does heroin and no one goes to sleep and everything's a riot. And I don't mean a fun riot. I mean like an actual riot.
00:38:24
Speaker
I love those fun riots.
Commercial Success of 'Against the Grain'
00:38:25
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Uh, we get to the titular track against the grain. It's a fucking great song, man. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:36
Speaker
I feel like this one could have been ah the single, Oh, it should have been. They had any support from MTV or radio, but no one played this. Yeah. And this was their first 100,000 album album. album Right. Yes.
00:38:50
Speaker
It was like best selling album. Yeah. At that point. And it took a while to get to 100,000. Yeah. yeah I don't think this would have been great on MTV. I think it's too fast. It's too repetitive for 1990.
00:39:04
Speaker
What other shit? 1990, what was on MTV that was popular rock music? What, Alice in Chains and shit? Yeah, not even Janet Jackson. Well, so if we can skip, well, I'll just wait a second.
00:39:17
Speaker
Yeah. there's There's something else happening at this point. There's something happening. ah This was a song that we used in our high school skate video that we made too.
00:39:28
Speaker
Against Your Grain? yeah Yeah. I remember listening to this. This was a song that like stuck out to me. And I thought they re-recorded this song. Because the first time I heard this, I was like, this sounds like a little thinner than I remember.
00:39:41
Speaker
But it's it didn't. like the This is the only version of the song they released. and Yeah. It was 21st Century Digital Boy, which... That was the one they yeah re-recorded.
00:39:52
Speaker
Yeah. this one This one's got...
00:39:57
Speaker
I like this one a lot. honest but Riveting commentary on this one's got it's good.
00:40:10
Speaker
Hold on. I need a longer pause. I think I hope I pray to God there's a fucking AI that can cut out dead air. That's bigger than three seconds on this podcast because it's got some work cut out. ah Oh, so yeah. Great song.
00:40:27
Speaker
Number operation. Operation rescue is the one I skipped, honestly. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, yeah not my favorite. Just didn't really stand out. It's clunky by comparison. Yeah.
00:40:39
Speaker
It's a, it's an okay track on a album full of bangers. Right. So yeah. Yeah. Just kind of skip it. What about God song? You guys like that? God one of my favorites is one of my favorites too.
00:40:51
Speaker
ah This one was the catalyst, or this is what made me think of my Inspired By track. Ooh. Actually.
00:41:01
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Does it have anything to do with the lyric frippery? yes No. I butchered this song, but this is one of the songs I sing my kids to go to sleep. Oh my God, it's so good.
00:41:12
Speaker
What's it make you think of, Tucker? What does this song make me think of? Yeah. Like, like you want me to tell you my song? Is that boners? Yes. That was my attempt at a smooth segue. Thanks for turning that fucking into the ditch. You know, I'm, you know, you know, what am I thinking about right now?
00:41:31
Speaker
ah Inside or outside? shit.
00:41:44
Speaker
yeah The THC is kicking. It's a a moment. the moment like It wasn't my inside thoughts or my outside thoughts. Every five seconds, I think of thoughts. All right, Tucker, I believe he asked you to pick a song. What's that song? That Also from the early 90s, also produced by a Bad Religion member, um made me think of Offspring's No Hero off their first album, Ignition.
Offspring's Influence in Punk
00:43:09
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I should've known you and Karina love I wonder why did you even try to come to me? I wouldn't help you too
00:44:47
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Once you stand, you sit till the end I get too light, I'm calling to resign Now you're gone
00:45:30
Speaker
No hero from the offspring off their first album, Ignition. Two years ago, Gary Gang 911 wrote, this album's going to be 30 years old.
00:45:42
Speaker
Our parents are getting really old.
00:45:46
Speaker
Observant. Ain't that true, Gary Gang. Oh gosh. Jesus Christ. That song was... it was it was a weird... it had a weird like ah production vibe.
00:45:57
Speaker
Yes, it was a 90s production vibe. He said was very But... It's still good. It was a good song. yeah i That whole album holds up. We'll have to listen to that again. a I probably haven't listened to it since the early 90s. There's a song on there, L.A.P.D., which is... You have to...
00:46:15
Speaker
Being the correct mindset to understand the song. So yeah everybody for nobody from a specific point of view.
Song Overexposure
00:46:20
Speaker
Yeah. During like the Rodney King riots when l LA was really making great strides towards treating people fair. already near are Well, that's, this is the fucking climate that this album came out of. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah.
00:46:37
Speaker
So I don't know. God song. Yeah. That's what, that's yeah. That's the one. Interesting. I'll have to listen to that again. um twenty first said youll 21st Century Digital Boy can go away and I can never hear it again. like It got so blown out in Stranger Than Fiction when they re-recorded it.
00:46:55
Speaker
Absolutely. It was on MTV all the time. well i mean, God, that song was everywhere. I will say I do like Bad Religion when they are a little slower for the most part. Okay.
00:47:07
Speaker
It gives Greg's lyrics a little more breathing room. Yeah. He's not having to crunch it in at such a hyper tempo. And he can fucking sing. he can sing. Yeah. like And he can write really smart lyrics. It's just like, you just need time to put them out naturally.
00:47:25
Speaker
instead of rushing through it. and if To me, the recipe is... It it hit perfect. the the first These first handful of albums before they went to Rock Zone, um the energy was there. I'm fucking pissed off. The energy... I feel this every day. I'm fucking just... I need to go fucking bounce off the walls.
00:47:46
Speaker
Right. Fuck it. I'll take his lyrics that are just... Oh, totally. Crazy. This hit the spot for... It still does. Absolutely. EC, did you listen to Recipe for Hate? Because what you're asking for, he gives you 100% front to back with Recipe for of Hate.
00:48:03
Speaker
ah Was that the major legge label debut? No, that was the major label distribution. So it's like when they were working out signing. So it came out on Epitaph and was recorded with Brett.
00:48:14
Speaker
But then some of those CDs began being distributed through Atlantic and then the next album was on Atlantic. It's got all kinds of crazy shit. Probably was the one I was listening to. Any betters on Any better on there.
00:48:27
Speaker
slide There's like steel slide guitar. Nice. Okay. I'll definitely listen to that And they're talking about the first Iraq war in that one a lot and commenting on what I look at now is like, we're spending all these monies on war, but we're not doing anything on domestic policies at all.
00:48:46
Speaker
yeah Fertile Crescent is haunting us today. ah yeah. Well, that's Generator. Oh, shit. No, I know. It's like, it's still, yeah. It's consistent across the board. ah this This was the song that made me think of my Inspired by Track. When I was trying to think of like a contemporary, first of all, 21st century digital boy.
00:49:04
Speaker
Like... how apt is just that title true uh and i thought of one of my favorite bands that never made it on my list but parquet courts oh cool they're fucking ah they're a punk band and this song content nausea is their fucking rallying cry
00:49:35
Speaker
Catenage World War 4 Seems like it all kated too soon Another carnage apparatus Such a disappointing doom Abuse money Abuse drugs Abuse body Abuse mind People use such strange excuses Always have done No clue why Most folks means that some folks know Life's the peace when you don't let go Of a memory Of a dream Like the hometown Better seen On a screen or at a distance, likely best without resistance People clicked, people read, modern life is what it said Pretty pictures, pretty lives, created two once or twice I'll go back, but not today, it's nice to visit but it's hard to stay In the grips that dimension, too much data, too much tension Too much plastic, too much glass, likely police when fears have passed My friend he won't leave, his home says I am a bonfire of human bones am a bonfire of human bones I am a bonfire of human bones
00:50:22
Speaker
Or my thoughts belong to me? Or just some slogan I ingested to save time? This night is missing people. The scene had no one, hardly no one. It had shapes, it had light.
00:50:34
Speaker
Some were flashing, most moved. Me, I couldn't look away. But still, no one came left, they stayed. But they weren't there in the first place. Overpopulated by nothing.
00:50:44
Speaker
Counted by sparseness. Guided by darkness. Too much. Not enough. Content, that's what you call it. An infant screaming in every room in your gut. Bets from under-intention, but bets left unattended. How gathered the pixels and the dust of the digital age to our viewers.
00:50:58
Speaker
With what do I wash? Put on some music. My friend walks the same path every day. Stooped to stairwell, cognizant stacoma, ignoring best he can and inconvenient reality. The consequential chore that unfolds in the naked sprint from screen to screen.
00:51:11
Speaker
Scrolling by in a narrow ghettos escape, for reminders. This will be a good year to free poets from the back patting dungeons of content and comments. To free artists from empty and vulgar broadcasting ritual.
00:51:22
Speaker
For this year it became harder to be Tinder. Harder harder to remember. Meeting a friend. Writing letter, being lost, antique ritual All lost to the ceremony of progress Like essential organs removed They're only weighing you down You didn't need them Ignore this part, it's an advertisement These people are famous, trust them Protesters stayed home this time around Some enlisted, some never heard the first shots
00:51:57
Speaker
No, life's the best when
Recommendations: Parquet Courts
00:51:59
Speaker
scrolling least. Just broken piece of plastic. Just another new device. Just another nervous habit. One more thing you have to buy. Just one more thing to replace. One more way to block your face. Too much data. Too much tension. Life's the least when less is mentioned. Wasting dollars. Wasting hours. Wasting talent. Wasting power. No one says it, but it's known.
00:52:15
Speaker
And we're connected or alone. My friend stays at home in the dark. Never walks up to the park. Always
00:52:24
Speaker
landmine that was content nausea by parquet chords in the fucking comments there how's this band not more popular it's the it's the fucking production ah was that from fucking 1970 that was a four track recording so that was like one of their side albums where only two of the members on the in the band the full band just recorded a side album on a four track recorder and it had it's probably my favorite album of theirs because it has a little bit of pavement and like weird experimentation yeah they do this amazing cover of my boots were made for walking by nancy sinatra it's so know they have like horn players on it it's great that's an stariochi track right there exactly Because of that cover, like seriously. Oh, damn it.
00:53:12
Speaker
Yeah. So anyways, I pay that high compliment to Bad Religion. Okay. By okay making me think of an amazing song. Okay.
00:53:23
Speaker
I don't know. Misery and Famine. That has a cool start to that song. Oh, I fucking can love it. Yeah. kids sing the Misery and Famine part. my kids sing the misery and famine park
00:53:37
Speaker
Yeah. It's a classic punk song. Yeah, it's a good, yeah. ah Unacceptable, that's the one that made me really think. okay That's the climate one. This is a climate song. Yeah. But what, he for one part per trillion?
00:53:52
Speaker
Where are you at 400 parts per million? Yeah, we're, yeah, things are. We're doing great, Greg. 1990 was pretty, pretty great. I love it because the end, like, on fucking accept this is one of those songs I'm oh, we're tapping into Pissed Off, Greg. Yeah, can't filter himself.
00:54:10
Speaker
Yeah. like he's Also, what i want to talk about this in just general life. Climate change is real, dude. No. So... Can't be climbing on a flat earth. The elite liberal Johnson... No, no. I'm saying that this can it coexist with...
00:54:30
Speaker
your normal values like i don't understand why everything has to be so binary in the sense that her you have to either be a crazy town activist that thinks that one part per trillion is unacceptable um yeah i know all of this is unacceptable and we need to try to do that and this song doesn't piss me off it's a good reminder of like Maybe i'm not going to pour gasoline in the ground again.
00:54:57
Speaker
um You know, like it's, you know. Why were you doing that the first place? I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But don't even tell me you haven't spilled gas or. Oh, the best way to store gasoline is in your dirt.
00:55:14
Speaker
Just a little bit of good dirt gas. Oh, my God. Burn store. No, I've i've i've played this song for a lot of people and they it like irks them. um i mean Maybe those are just terrible people with with very little tolerance, but.
00:55:29
Speaker
Unacceptable. This is a good, great reminder. and This is... Yeah. We need fucking reminders that maybe the status quo is not okay. And yeah this is why bad religion never really became super popular is because ultimately, they're not going to feed you what you want to hear.
00:55:46
Speaker
They're going to remind you that yeah there are little shitty things that we all do every day. Yeah. And it's ruining society. Yeah. And this podcast is definitely one part of them. It's part it. Yeah.
00:56:00
Speaker
Well, so then we go to quality or quantity and we're talking about- This podcast. It's definitely quantity. Yeah. yeah I took that as like actual world famine.
00:56:12
Speaker
Oh, yeah. He's ragging on the billionaires basically being like, why do you need so much? And then also, I mean, did your parents tell you to clean your plate because of starving kids?
00:56:24
Speaker
No. no i did No, we all heard about, i mean, probably not from our parents, but yes sally struggle so were the starving kids in Africa. Yeah, but my mom told me I needed to finish all my food because there were starving kids.
00:56:41
Speaker
Oh, that's, yeah. It doesn't make any sense. What was she going to do? Mail my fucking leftovers to Africa? so Maybe make less food, Mom. Yeah.
00:56:54
Speaker
Hey, you know what? he' Let's think about our daily lives and the things that we do. um Yeah. i'd Maybe start a regular size plate. I want you guys to read the fucking Toyota way, man. And it it doesn't start. a to You don't fucking fix the problem at the end. You fix it from the beginning.
00:57:13
Speaker
No solving fucking problems, man. That's what this one a lot of this is about. the Toyota way. i No, that's. But is that a real book? that's Yeah, basically, there's a Toyota developed this process.
00:57:26
Speaker
The full title is How to Fuck a Truck the Toyota Way. Wow. Oh, wow. Wow. um Okay. No, basically, I mean, what I'm saying is you don't solve a problem by fixing, ah problems start as a chain of of yes miscalculations, you know?
00:57:44
Speaker
And yeah, maybe you don't make so much fucking food and you want to force your kids or throw the food away. I hear all these statistics nowadays. Statistics.
00:57:56
Speaker
about so about all the fucking food we throw away, man. Like, make less fucking food. I go to the restaurant. The fucking plates are so big, I can't even fucking taste people. go Tyler. 70 years old now, and just wearing fucking sweatpants. Tell me at the name of the restaurant.
00:58:18
Speaker
ah and and Tell me it's not Perkins. It's McTubesteaks. McTubesteaks. Quality or quantity has my favorite lyric in the entire album. It's about booty. Yeah. Breaking all the piggy banks, scooping up the butge booty. Licking all the right holes.
00:58:36
Speaker
Bolstering the payroll. Yeah. That was one of my favorites as a younger person too. I love that. And it's during a breakdown too. So like you focus on the lyrics. Yeah. Scooping up the booty. remember being embarrassed when I heard booty in a bad religion song.
00:58:54
Speaker
Yeah, you should be. i love that. Yeah, bringing home the largest turkey from the field. It's all about like get mine. like gu on Yeah. Walk away. Tucker, you like this song?
00:59:07
Speaker
Old Mr. Forrester. Oh, yeah. this was ah what's a fuckinger What's his name? Fletcher. Fletcher. Yeah. yeah This was the song to me that was like, oh, they...
00:59:21
Speaker
ah This is going to sound weird, but like, okay, so what's bad religion on face value? It's like punk fast, maybe pissed off, whatever. But this song had like resonated with the, like, I I'm feeling the other teenage things. Like who am i Feelings. What am i Yeah. Actual feelings. Like, yeah. Am I angry at my parents? Like I don't get in the world. Like these ah more of like the feelings side of things,
00:59:47
Speaker
not the manifestation of a feeling like anger and rage, but like, yeah, this one was like, Oh, I'm maybe sad about some things. I don't know.
00:59:59
Speaker
Not just angry. you want happy thing about bad religion in my life has been, The positive aspect of negative thinking. yeah Yes. um No, but I've been singing these fucking songs for 30 years.
01:00:13
Speaker
um ah Not knowing any. and When I started singing these songs, the harmony brought my fucking mind to these songs. Oh, my God. So good. Yeah. They fucking sound good. You don't know what the fuck they're saying. They sound good.
01:00:26
Speaker
They've got good melodies. The melodies are there. The melodies stick with you. And over time, my tiny little mind has opened up to the point where I can look back and like, I can't tell you how many times I've like listened to the same fucking song. Like, oh my God, this is what this means now. Like, yeah, yeah.
01:00:44
Speaker
And it's huge, and it's been it's been great, ah and it'll continue to happen. That's actually the normal performance of a tiny little mind. It just takes a while to get things.
01:00:56
Speaker
I'm fucking enjoying it. that's You'll keep discovering new things 40 years from now. yeah You know, they call life a journey. I think life is a highway. Oh. Which brings us to Tucker's favorite album of all time, Tom Cochran's. Jesus. Life is journey.
01:01:15
Speaker
da
01:01:17
Speaker
God, that's gonna be stuck in my head at 3 a.m. now. You're welcome. Holy shit. But we just, that's not your favorite album all time. What is it?
01:01:29
Speaker
Well, no, I can't say that yet. We haven't even done like, what have been listening to? or Oh shit. We're already over the hour mark. what are Okay, what are the... but We gotta wrap this shit up. but New City Girls came out.
01:01:41
Speaker
It's not good. Do the City Girls have a TV show called Grap Shit? Probably. i haven't gone there yet. Okay, because this just showed up on our like advertisements. oh and and i was like I was like, this band sucks.
01:01:54
Speaker
I recognize this band. Oh my god. No, JT's coming out with the fucking solo album and it's going to good. There's actually a couple jams on on their new album, Raw. But apparently the sales were so low and they didn't fucking, their management didn't advertise it at all.
01:02:11
Speaker
So like it came out that they sold under 10,000 in the first week, which is really embarrassing for like anything. So now they're like, this album is like a fucking meme or like a joke.
01:02:22
Speaker
so So they like, yeah. So they like came out and like, Hey, this is going to be good. But our fucking management blew it. And like, Now what do we do? yeah Do we promote it? You guys are fucking joking on this shit. What about you, Jesse?
01:02:39
Speaker
The poor carpenter blames his tools. so Oh my God. I don't that one.
01:02:47
Speaker
I've been listening to two sort of like, I guess, compilations like best ofs. ah Devo just released their 50 years of de-evolution. and Another prescient band ah in terms of how we are today. And then Super Chunk just released their B-Sides album, which is really good.
01:03:07
Speaker
Super Chunk, awesome North Carolina Merge Records. Cool. Yeah. They're definitely more on the pop side of pop punk, but I feel like they would fall within the punk universe in terms of their- Yeah, Superchunk had some space in the middle of the 90s.
01:03:21
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah. I've been listening to this album that I just, i don't know how I discovered, but this guy, Jalen Nanda, he put out an album, Come Around to Love Me. It's got this like- the old Marvin Gaye vibe to it but he nails it like he nails that era like the music coming out there and it's so fucking good um it's really soulful I guess like it's it's really solid all right much different like much different than what is my first favorite album of all time girl
01:04:00
Speaker
ah Well, it's interesting because we discussed it in length this evening already. It's ah Bad Religions, How Could It Be Any Worse? 1982.
01:04:10
Speaker
but rare You'll get that when you listen to it. Oh, shit. Oh, God, I can't wait. Yeah, i and I tried to, I honestly tried to think that another album was my favorite, and maybe I'll add a little asterisk. Like, this is maybe the most influential based on teenage anger.
01:04:30
Speaker
It's the one I can visualize. it? It's the first one? Yeah. It's the one I can visualize, like, my... disdain for my surroundings and the manifestation of that energy was this fucking album just, you know, whatever, 12 years later for me, 13 years later. EC, have you listened to this?
01:04:50
Speaker
Never. Okay, so there's a handful, aren't there a couple songs they play... A couple different ways. Yes. Like a, like a fucking black flag album. Yeah. So, uh, one of the bad religion songs is like so clean and overproduced.
01:05:06
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i It's not even over. I mean, it's shitty production, but it sounds so clean. i it sounds almost like seventies, like, folk radio music it's crazy town yeah there's some ja i mean there's a lot of jams on this but the production it's a it's a compilation of a bunch of different recordings gotcha okay all right yeah i had a feeling it might be another bad religion album but i was gonna think it might be no control or suffer or even the ones one of the two that came out after generator got it
01:05:40
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There's a song in there, In the Night. It is my backpack full of beers, riding my skateboard, smashing bottles in the street. That's my fucking song. well And there's E.C., I thought of you when I did pick this because there's a song named Frogger.
01:05:54
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I just saw that. And it's got this little video game intro to it. Sweet. And yeah, this whole album sounds like they're singing through a paper towel tube, but in the best way possible.
01:06:06
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It's fucking awesome. It's my favorite microphone. And I will show up on the top three players of any Frogger machine that I encounter. Oh, I believe it.
01:06:16
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Yeah. All right. Well, it's been a real trip, guys. Yeah. We've reached the end of our second, or we're reaching the end of our second season here. One more. Tucker's favorite album all time. Really? Has this always been your favorite?
01:06:34
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It's always been in my top ten. Not the question. Well, I answered it. With the answer that I was about to. answered a question, but not mine. right, join us next week as we talk about Tucker's favorite album all time for who knows how long.
01:06:53
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Bad Religion's debut album, How Could Hell Be Any Worse, released in 1982. Until then, be well. for