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Speaker: All right. Hi, everyone, and welcome to Versailles 6101, where we discuss everything about the world of psych and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar, and this is my partner, Faithful George. And today we'll be talking about My Man Godfrey from 1936, correct? Yeah.
Speaker: nineteen thirty s our final entry into FSI6 Foundations 201. 201, yes. yeah the Next in our screwball curriculum.
Speaker: Yes, it was definitely very screwball-y. Yeah, that first scene, I guess, where like Irene... She's just talking a mile a Yeah. And he's like, what? Like, what's the question? And then she says something. he like, what? she, like, makes another reference to something else. And it's like, oh, okay. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. it's It is an interesting, like, I don't know, like, musicality. Because, like, she's going so fast. And he is, like, fast, too. But also, like, a little bit, like, slows it down a little bit. And there is, like, I felt like they had great chemistry. They used to be married.
Speaker: Yeah. I saw that on the Wikipedia, too. It would be so weird. Apparently he actually, i don't know if this is true, but apparently he actually suggested her for the role. ah Because I guess the way that they met was something kind of similar or the dynamic was kind of similar. Yeah, I know. I read that and I was like, what does that mean? ah What a typical situation here. Yeah, it was a wild meet cute.
Speaker: Definitely. If you could even call it that. I was like, my my second note. is rich people are the worst worst especially imagine this this is during the great depression so yeah really the haves and the have-nots are super extreme at this point yeah i remember with it happened one night like the role of class being part of it but it i feel like it wasn't as they were of a different class but he was not someone who had
Speaker: Like lost like lost yes work. Like this, it felt very present in story. And also like the whole forgotten man thing.
Speaker: I looked at the Wikipedia for that and that was like a ah thing of the time. That was the term? Talk about, like like politically, like in speeches. Oh. That was like like the idea of the forgotten man being like someone who's... Actually, let me pull it up so I don't i totally speak yeah I was just like skimming it as I was watching. I thought it was interesting that they were calling them forgotten men. And I wasn't sure if it was um if that was an interpretation.
Speaker: Like if they went to the city dump and found these random guys as an an interpretation of someone who was forgotten or if that was an actual term that they used at the time. Yeah, i wasn't sure if it was just like a quirky, like right old timey way to say like, you know, what, I mean, not PC or anything, but like what.
Speaker: Somebody of this time might say like a hobo or something like that. But but it said the forgotten man is a political concept in the United States centered on those whose interests have been neglected. The first main invocation of this concept came from William Graham Summer in a lecture in Brooklyn in 1883 entitled The Forgotten Man.
Speaker: 1932 president franklin roosevelt appropriated the phrase and used it in a speech using it to refer to those at the bottom of the economic scale whom roosevelt believed the state needed to help oh so yeah very much a part of the zeitgeist i guess of the depression and um yeah we really saw that in the stories that they kind of like godfrey told about these men like why how they ended up here um yeah
Speaker: But yeah, the whole scavenger hunt thing wild. found that so funny. The premise of the scavenger hunt was insane. Like the things that they had to find, how many people were involved in it was wild.
Speaker: But then i felt I was so tickled by the fact that they were like, it's I think it's called a scavenger hunt. Like it's a little bit treasure hunt. but Yeah, like a brand new concept. Yes. I was like, that's so funny because it's such a...
Speaker: you know normal thing now like yeah little scavenger hunts for kids you know yeah and for it to be this thing that like the wealthy do right because they have no yeah um you know because they're living lives of leisure yes yes um But gosh, it was also hard as an animal rights activist to watch the goats and the dogs. And like, I was worried we were going to see a horse, but thankfully we only heard the horse. yes we only heard the horse. But oh gosh, watching those goats get dragged around in that in like that scene with all of those people. It was so loud. I'm like, oh, it must be.
Speaker: Yeah, it was crazy. And horrible. When even that baby goat, they were thrown up. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I was like, and they, I don't know there actually a fish in there, but one of the ladies had like a fish bowl that she was just like waving around. I'm like, oh my gosh.
Speaker: Animals were harmed in the making of this. Animals were harmed. Yeah. yeah It's probably before the time when people were thinking about that, sadly. Certainly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the scavenger hunt scene, you know, they're talking about it in the in the city dump.
Speaker: And Cornelia and Irene, who are sisters to a wealthy family, you know, they're talking about it like, oh, yeah, we're going we want to win this thing. And in my brain, of course, I'm thinking it's like five friends playing a scavenger hunt and they just want to go, you know, whatever, have dragging rights.
Speaker: And when they get back and it's like hundreds of people, What's happening? Yeah, and I was also confused like how Irene actually won because she didn't have all the things. so There must be like a team element. Yes. and But she got something. don't know. It didn't seem like it was over, but she got like a silver cup because she was first or she got extra points because she was first. And somehow maybe that made it her win. I don't know. i was a little confused about how that all went down.
Speaker: Yeah, it definitely seemed like Because he was saying, like, oh, team 10, or, like, oh, team 5. Yeah. It seemed like maybe there were groups, but then it was also odd that people were coming back with individual things, so it's not as if, like... Right. It wasn't like you do a scavenger hunt. Right. We'll find this one individual thing and then come back, and then we'll give you another thing, and then come back again.
Speaker: and don't know if like, if Cornelia and Irene were on the same team, but just, like, competing to get... Oh, could be....a guy... Like just competing with each other because it would have made sense if like it was the family. Right, right. And then we find out a little later that the woman, I don't even know how to describe her, but with the goats was their mother. so I don't know if that was all a team, all of them. That would make sense, I feel like. Yeah, we never really each other.
Speaker: whoever she's working with yeah um but somehow she immediately wins she gets a cup but it was interesting how she like describes it to godfrey how she's saying like i mean it really just wait the way the wealthy are portrayed o because you sort of i feel like there is a connotation even now like that wealthy do a lot of like charity events and they go and they like dress up very fine and and then they give their money away and it was interesting how in like the scavenger hunt she makes a comment that like any month money left over is given to charity but there's never any money left over it's like they're just yeah it's like a vanity thing like oh we're doing this good thing but like by the way yeah that they give to anyone yeah it was really interesting like yeah
Speaker: yeah just and then we get to see godfrey kind of tell him off a little bit i'm in their place a little yeah and that was kind of interesting too there there was a point where i was trying to determine like what what is this movie trying to tell us because when you look at godfrey godfrey is very much trying to tell us like you know not everything is about like money and not everyone who comes from money is like a vapid or, or however they're portraying the rest of the cast, which is like the bullocks who only care about, you know, being able to do whatever they want and spending money. um
Speaker: But then they also have that. They also have the fact that this is just a, you know, spoiled family in the, you know, upper East or upper or at West side in New York doing whatever it is that they want to do. So I was kind of like, where, where,
Speaker: no No one like changed at the end. No one was like happy about you know things in the end other than Godfrey. but Well, it was interesting because i I hadn't thought about it because I hadn't like thought about the beginning since getting to the end.
Speaker: But now that we are talking about it, Godfrey did come from wealth too. So it's interesting that he didn't that this did kind of or he presented this as something foreign to him and he wanted, he wanted to satisfy his curiosity. Yes. That's why he was willing to go. Yeah. And also because Irene kind of also makes him curious, I guess. Um, and so it was interesting that he, like, it it seems like he hasn't, it's not been that long since he's been out of that world. Yeah. Um,
Speaker: And maybe just having the bitterness of getting to know these people who have lost everything and stuff. And then getting the opportunity to kind of tell off these people who he's already has frustrations with being from right that world and also being frustrated with the version of himself that lived in that world. Like he has the opportunity to say something to them a way he hasn't maybe.
Speaker: Yeah, it is kind of interesting because like in that moment, I did not know, you know, that he was from that world too. So, yeah. Yeah, it almost seems like he he's interested in it because he's looking at it through like a new perspective or through new eyes. So now like, yes, maybe he's been to one of these you know, parties before. Maybe he's never seen a scavenger hunt. I don't know if this is the first ever scavenger hunt.
Speaker: But he's definitely maybe more critical of it now than he was before he was, you know, living near the Forgotten Men. I do have to say, I really love how they portrayed, like, I'm to call it the Forgotten City.
Speaker: I love how they portrayed it as, like, this community of people who just, like, look out for each other and really care about each other and even... They're, you know, they call them shacks um down on the dump.
Speaker: They are very well kept and they have flowers and they're hanging up. They're very proud of what they have, which I love because they could have very easily taken the other side of that, which is just like everyone's a reject and, you know, everyone knows what they're doing and blah, blah, blah. But no, it's really much more about like the pride in the community, which I thought was great.
Speaker: Yeah. And I guess like thinking about who changes or if anybody changes, what they learn and stuff. Like Godfrey and Irene are kind of similar in the fact that like, well, what Godfrey observes or has observed in his community of forgotten men is that like the difference between, he says something about the difference between...
Speaker: oh somebody and somebody else's a job yes i forget what he called each of those groups but but irene
Speaker: and cornelia and even well i guess mrs bullock has has carlo but they are also like similar in the way that they don't have anything To put their energy into, you know, like, and what Irene finds in Godfrey in the beginning is like a project is basically what she says, like, you're my protege. And then Cornelia makes it her business to like destroy him. And so it's like, they, they are also like craving,
Speaker: purpose in the way that all humans do. mean, that is kind of, even though they're very, they're very spoiled and the purposes that they have are maybe not very noble.
Speaker: Like they do have, I feel like that it becomes like a universal message about like we all, the difference between anybody and anybody could be like a job or just a purpose or something to make your life seem like it.
Speaker: it means something and irene finds that in godfrey cornelia does too in a way in more sinister way yes the quote was the only difference between a derelict and a man is a job which it's very interesting and that is i feel like very uh Of the time too. In that like.
Speaker: You would know all of this. But like pulling out my. My US history. But like. yeah Wasn't like the public works association. itself Like the way we got out of the depression. Was to create jobs. So that people could go to work and make money. and that not me Yeah. So.
Speaker: That does seem. Right out of what was going on. At that time. Yeah, and I mean, that's what Godfrey does, right, for his... Yeah, that's literally... Yeah, takes, you know, his funds from his job and puts it into creating... I wasn't actually sure what it was. i Maybe like a nightclub? Maybe like restaurant? think it was nightclub. Oh, okay. Well, yeah, like a... Yeah, just like a club of some kind. They hang out, and they were good. I loved that they were going to make um housing for the winter. Although, where are going to in the summer? i was like, but let's just let them live there year-round, but that's... Yeah, i wasn't...
Speaker: I don't know what. yeah I mean, there was a lot of like solutioning that happened at the end that kind of went over my head, like the stock stuff. I didn't know what he did. He I think he was saying essentially that he knew that the company was going to fail. So he bet on the fact that the company was going to fail. I want to say he got money. Is that insider trading?
Speaker: I was a little confused. Maybe. If any of that was like. crib um Maybe it was more like. um What's the. Like the 2008 housing crisis. Yeah. in Trouble though.
Speaker: Did they? i don't remember. ever I remember watching the big short. but but I never watched the big short. But but that is. I feel like short. They even said that word. So I feel like it was something like that. Yeah. sure did He shorted the. Yeah.
Speaker: But yeah. But. But it is. interesting like this probably because I'm sure there were people who you know didn't believe in creating those jobs or like that the government should be involved and so like thinking of this as like a very political movie at the time like advocating for yeah a level of policy that ultimately is what happened I don't know what years that all went down but but like very aligned with like um the new deal yeah my u.s s history i love that for you yeah very much so well and it's i'm kind of interested too in this idea of like
Speaker: Godfrey not only being the one who saves, quote unquote, saves or helps the other forgotten men, but also being the one who helps the rich. like Because ultimately he could have, him and his entire family could have also become a forgotten family had Godfrey not stepped in. Is Godfrey like a, is Godfrey a metaphor for the US government? I was about to say that's so American. make sure, like,
Speaker: To have, like, an interest in helping the little guy. But also, like, let's make sure the rich can stay rich. Yeah. Interesting. It did. I did write at the end, like, it was sort of Mary Poppins-y, like, the way Godfrey, like, came in, taught them all how to be better people. Yeah.
Speaker: And then he's denadled. And then he tried to leave. Irene would not let him. I know. She, I did... love her. Her portrayal of... ah She was so... Yeah, the performance. Yeah, she was... And it felt so contemporary. Right. I thought that too. Yeah.
Speaker: Because I'm... um Maybe the whole like transatlantic accents and stuff came a little bit later, but like the way she like held herself, there was one part where she was like sitting on the back of a couch and like had her legs straight out and like resting on her heels and was kind of slouched. And I was like, I've never like would have thought somebody in 1936 would sit like that. I don't know. it was just so, it was so modern in like a fun Yeah. way Yeah, she was very fun. Her physicalities were awesome. I loved her delivery of her lines. I thought they were so great. um And a really nice contrast to... oh I'm forgetting her name now.
Speaker: The sister. Cornelia. Cornelia. was going to Carlotta. I was like, that's wrong. no Yeah, very nice contrast to Cornelia, which I thought was... Very interesting because she's much more like kind of prim and pop proper and all together and a little bit more, not necessarily modest, but reserved, I suppose, until all of a sudden she's like cutting and yeah sneaky. Yeah, I guess maybe she would be like more what I...
Speaker: would expect from yes a performance of that time like not having watched a whole lot um but yeah a little bit there's this like a a polishedness about her um and I'm like thinking of it happened one night which I was just checking what year that was that was only only two years before um and I feel like even that like just the way she looked and like we had it was more like Like, melodramatic moments in that movie where, like, you know, we would just look at her face and, like, her single tears, yeah if I recall correctly. And, like, when she did cry, it was very big. But, like, when we saw, like, Irene crying, it was big, but it was, like, clearly comedy. Correct. Yes.
Speaker: yes Yeah, it was just, like, a very... It was unexpected for me. Yeah. It was really fun. and Yeah. I feel like very theatrical too. Like there was like ah a farcical element. Like I loved um at the the tea party. oh yes. Oh, my God. The tea party.
Speaker: Where Godfrey sees his friend and then like cries to hide. And then they see each other. And then they have to like improvise how they know. Like that's like one of my favorite kind of bits. Yeah. So much fun. And so it's so fun to watch that.
Speaker: yeah and And the mom was just like... oh she It sort of did feel like watching a play. like yes i was They were all very heightened, but not in a way that felt wrong. I think it worked because they were so they had so much wealth and they were like just kind of these ridiculous people on their own yeah that it it didn't feel like unnatural for them to be like that way. was just very silly.
Speaker: Yeah, I actually wondered at one point if it was originally a play that was adapted to film. And I don't know if that's just a like function of what's possible at the time. Like, cause one of the things that like I noticed is there's just less, like there's less jump cuts. There's less like, you know, in between, between. It's usually like, we've got these big kinds of shots and we just kind of watch people do their things. like we've got Yeah, that's true. Medium shot. We watch something happen, you know, um which feels much more play, you know, as then ah zoom in, come out, zoom in over here, over there, over here.
Speaker: Yeah. Like the the way that they film back then is very different than what we see now, particularly what we've seen in the last, you know, probably decade. hmm. Yeah, I'm thinking about like the scenes kind of just in the living room. Yes, exactly. Where it's like the family. Yes. And it does, it feels like very blocked, like a stage play. Yes, exactly. Carlo, like just all the, and like just the bignesses. Yes.
Speaker: Their performance looks like I could totally see that on stage. Yes. And be very, like that being very funny. But but I feel like it works because...
Speaker: they are such like larger than life characters. Yeah. And i I loved that we were introduced to them through this like morning routine. Yeah. The, uh,
Speaker: what would you the maid would you call her the maid yeah um her essentially being like molly yes ah molly essentially being like they're all crazy so just sets you up to be like okay this is gonna be wild and then when he goes in and the the mom is talking about pixies the music that we're playing and yeah it was it's terrible but made so much sense for this like super ultra rich yeah i was also like after meeting or irene and cornelia the night before like i was and knowing irene was kind of our our leading lady yeah i was not expecting her to be like quote as bad yeah but leaving a horse in the library yeah i was like kind of shocked to say yes see that she had also she's the same like uh they're all doing these wacky things um and also all her like her fits and oh my god oh my god i was dying when um
Speaker: when they're preparing for the tea party, she's just like, what is food? yeah will feel I wrote it down. so Somebody's going to be sorry someday. And I was like, everybody's going to be sorry someday. I was like, for what?
Speaker: was like, somebody is going to know for what? And it's like, this conversation is very confusing. That was like yes hilarious. And i love I loved when she did, she did like the one posing and Cornelia was like, oh, I know that. i live in that Drama school or something.
Speaker: Yeah. So fun. So, so fun. And Carlo himself is just like, a he's a wackadoodle and a half that one. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Speaker: yeah I wanted to know at the end if there was something specific he did. Like he's clearly taking advantage, but I couldn't tell. Like the way the dad came in, i mean, maybe he was just done Like I wasn't sure if Carlo caused the problem somehow. or a But maybe it was just like he was over it because now they were broke and it was like, this guy needs to get out of here. Yeah, this guy needs to stop being smelfless.
Speaker: That was pretty funny. Him on the piano. oh my God. Yeah. And he's doing the monkey bit. Oh my gosh, that was wild. Wild.
Speaker: Yeah, he was a very fun, very funny character. Yeah, and the mom's dynamic with him was... Oh my god. Yeah, hysterical. Yeah, at least Irene's protege is contributing, like, is helpful. Yeah. You know. Yeah, I guess she did just, she, like, gateit gave Godfrey a job. Mm-hmm. Um,
Speaker: But Carlo, i think she, she, Mrs. Bullock was like a patron of his art. That was the impression I got. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker: But it it is kind of a different dynamic because he was just like hanging around like he wasn't. Constantly. I wondered if he lived there. Like, did he have a room? We didn't actually see that, but I feel like he was there constantly. Yeah. i think That would make sense.
Speaker: but i don't i did um It was fun. like I feel like it would have been easier to make Irene like just like so like kind of the the dark horse of the family and like just much kinder and stuff. But she...
Speaker: She's very much one of them. She's very of that world. yeah Definitely. And just maybe o like more willing to like, consider the possibility of something other than their world, but she's not, yeah, she's not inherently, like... I guess she does seem, like, more kind in that, like, less judgmental, maybe just less classist. Like, because she, like, hangs out with Molly, too, like, yes and goes down there. She tries to go down there and, like, just, like, hang out. She does help with the dishes. Like, um, no, go away.
Speaker: But she... She's still just, like, also... a spoiled brat. Yeah, I mean, she's... she And a kook. Yeah, oh oh my god, andm totally a kook. And like, she loves attention, and she like, just can't... she It does seem like she maybe has never been told no.
Speaker: Absolutely. Without a doubt. Yeah, I mean, I think... it It makes sense growing up in that world. Yeah. It would be so incredibly difficult to come out in any other way than how that world shapes you. So that makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker: It does seem like she has like a very, like a good heart, you know, like yes a sweetness about her. Yeah. She does mean well. yeah um But yeah, all those other things are true too. And then Cornelia is like, well, i guess her main beef is,
Speaker: it is that godfrey pushed her yeah over which fair that was yeah cool well but she was also being she definitely uh does not seem to see his humanity or any of their humanity no getting like she which i read comments on she's like i don't want to play games with people as objects anymore or something like that.
Speaker: um that She's been thinking about it. think I wrote that. i think that was my first note is when she's like, when you really think about it, I mean, when you think it over, way she talks.
Speaker: Yeah, she kind of talks in circles. So delightful. Yes. Yeah, I think Irene has a little bit more like na naivete, a little bit more like naiveness to her. Like even the fact that she didn't realize like, hey, it's not, it's not okay for you to go into Godfrey's quarters. That's true. Yeah. that's But you know, she's like, we're friends. Like you're my protege. Like we're supposed to hang out together. Come on.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe she doesn't. or like her openness to people of different classes is maybe more about her just not realizing. Right.
Speaker: The social structures that are in place. Right. Yeah. Cornelia seems much more savvy. Yeah. that The fact that she like picks up on.
Speaker: Godfrey's background and like is investigating that kind of right right away. yeah Yeah. Even the fact that she's like, you and Tom Gray are out to lunch. Like that wouldn't happen if you were his servant. Yeah. Like I could see Irene being like, oh my God, two friends. Yeah. And the fact that it would be like a humiliation for his wealthy family to, for this to come out. Like it felt very, I know you don't, you haven't watched Bridgerton, but it really reminded me of Bridgerton. Oh yeah. like hey Well, just the,
Speaker: like these just very wealthy people. Like, i feel like I haven't watched um a like a a movie like that, or just like seen like a a us s representation of that kind of...
Speaker: h high society that yeah we would have had at that time and still have in a different way but um that just like them like all in their finery all the time like dress so nice all the time and like the staff and stuff it just reminded me of that and then there was like the gossip column that came up yes later like interesting that they're like writing about these people yeah it was just like a really interesting um culture that i mean i guess we still do that yes but two to to with a different group of people maybe yeah i feel like it's more like celebrity culture which could overlap with just wealthy people for sure yeah i think it's kind of the american replacement for wealthy people culture it's like because especially in the states it's not like we have
Speaker: you know, long standing, very, very wealthy family. Right. That kind of old money. like And like, maybe that's it too, because some, like a lot of the people we do talk about are like newer money. Like, like you know, the fact that there's coverage of Jeff Bezos is weighing and stuff. It's like, yeah okay But in other countries, it's like the Duke and the Duchess. or like Exactly. That's what it felt like. was like these people, I almost called her Lady Bullock when I was saying something about her, but then that's not what they are. But it is that kind of yes old wealth.
Speaker: And the the way they were like comparing, you know, how early their ancestors came over. Right, right. Yeah. racism about Native Americans yeah yes well and I also just thought like that's so funny because that's I feel like that's not something people do and maybe that's just like a now thing but I don't think I've ever heard anyone be like oh yeah my my family came over on the Mayflower we're all just like we're here exactly fun i mean i guess it probably depends on like the circles that me but I feel like it'd be it's almost like embarrassing
Speaker: that Like, because they were part of all the terrible things that have been done. Yes. um For that whole time. ah But yeah, I don't know. I i mean, i could see families like that.
Speaker: m comparing that kind of thing because you want to be like the old like it was interesting yeah um because like mrs bullock says her family didn't come over on the mayflower but they came over on the next one or something and then later we find out that godfrey's family did come over on the mayflower yes you so it's like actually he's more right more hopeful like more fancy than her yeah it was just a very interesting
Speaker: Slice of things. And I feel like comparing to It Happened One Night, maybe they were more of a newer money kind of family. Because wasn't he like an oil baron or something? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I feel like that...
Speaker: Like, we just didn't see this, like, really high society world in that movie so much. Yeah. And that was, i well, as you were saying, I feel like that's kind of fun. Like, I don't feel like we usually see that in American movies. So it's also be like, here, just some wackadoos. I'm sure partially, like, know, I just don't, I haven't seen a lot of movies from this time. Maybe there were a lot. I don't know. Yeah, maybe. um And maybe there were, because I guess,
Speaker: and like we talked about with it happened one night, like the screwball commie part of that formula is the class. Right. Conflict kind of, or tensions. So maybe there would have been more, I mean, man, I wonder if a show like the Gilded Age would be like that. I have never seen that, but that's a good question. i have also never seen that, but I have some friends who are watching it. So I could always ask, I would assume because that is much more of, um, You know, that, like, high society. Yeah.
Speaker: The people who have, like, oil money or who have, like, train money or who have... um Yeah. Steel money, rather, not train money. Yeah. And I feel like there are, like, famous families I know about. but i But this felt different. Like, this just felt like, like you said, like, dukes and duchesses. Yeah.
Speaker: Like, the Great Gatsby, I guess, would be... Sure. You know, that's a ah similar... it's why but even that i feel like they're not i don't know if that's old money or not like the way these people seem we never really we don't really know what the business the bullock business is do we feel like you might have mentioned it at some point but i don't recall it wasn't it certainly wasn't an integral part of the story like how he made his money was just the fact that he had money that was important yeah and i guess that is part of it because like part of american u.s american like culture is this idea that like anybody can get rich like that's the american dream yes yeah and and so like part of maybe what's so
Speaker: um alluring about like some of these stories like i would imagine something like the guild ages is that they maybe did make their money you know like they got rich somehow yeah in oil or trip like right i mean that's even kind of that story right because godfrey came from money is nothing And then gets a job. Now he's right what a man no longer a derelict. And then he takes that money into what seems like successful business. Yeah, that's like that very American idea of like, yeah jobs. Jobs. Work. But it does seem like, and maybe it's like the comparisons of like how they came over and stuff. It's like those, it's like almost like they brought their wealth from Europe. It's like they were already, yeah I guess, like even older money. I don't know. It's just like a different,
Speaker: thing than like what I'm used to in an American story. m So yeah, that was all very interesting. Yeah. And you know, honestly I could, it's so funny. I, again, that's Godfrey being like a metaphor for the American government and him being like, we're giving people jobs. Like, is this supposed to be partly like a, you know, get out there everyone, like go get a job. it doesn't matter like where you come from or what's your background, like any job.
Speaker: is a noble, you know, get get a job, go out there. We need people to work. um Well, it is. I'm looking up when the New Deal was. So it was between 1933 and 1938. So right in the middle.
Speaker: Yeah. And I do feel, as you're saying, like him as a metaphor for the American government, I feel like it's, It is a a bailout of everyone in a way. like Because he provides jobs and housing to the worst off. And he makes the wealthy get their money back. um So it does seem like it's advocating for...
Speaker: if we are interpreting him as like a yes the government it is advocating for like i i guess i mean just like a larger government like socialist kind of policies because i feel like i mean that was wasn't that like the most our most socialist president um fdr yeah yeah like and i would imagine at that time as as we have now um You know, the more conservative interpretation is that the government should be small, who should not be involved in such things.
Speaker: Correct. So it's definitely advocating for intervention. Yes. um And like, what's the opposite of trickle down? Oh, yeah.
Speaker: This is a test. I don't know. i don't remember. Opposite of trickle down. For some reason, I have a fountain in my head. Bubble up. There we go. That's why. Oh, interesting. um That, I guess.
Speaker: And both. I don't know. Because it is interesting because he bails out both sides. like he yeah I do wonder, you know, he says, oh, he does say that he used some of the money to fund his own stuff. He did. He does take from the rich. It does make sense, though. To invest in the poor population.
Speaker: So I could still see it. Maybe it could, if we're like a more...
Speaker: optimistic view would be like to the rich people you will be okay we're gonna take some of your money we're gonna make everybody's life better and you'll be fine yeah you'll be fine don't and the ending i i love the whole getting to see the quote unquote the dump as he's named the the nightclub yeah that's cute thank yes and i love him like talking to everyone by name and everyone like so happy to be there and then irene barging it and being like we're gonna get married right now i was i was getting a little as a romantic comedy person that i was getting a little worried i was like is this not a romantic comedy like he was very like adverse to yeah and this it did i wasn't like well maybe that's you know maybe he really doesn't
Speaker: feel for her I wasn't sure I wasn't like totally was definitely a little hard to read yeah and I get we it's there's an indication that he had like a tragic love story correct not sure what the details were but he had his heart broken I guess yeah but I feel like from the if that first scene had been any different I might have been like oh, it's just, you know, like I wouldn't have necessarily expected him to, but I feel like he was so taken with her in that ah initial scene. um
Speaker: And then their relationship changes. Well, I guess from the get-go, they are from different, I mean, they're not really from different classes, but it seems like they are. yeah um And then their relationship changes to employer and employee. So it's like even, it's like just another element of why they can't be together but yeah it is it was sort of hard to tell and i guess that's kind of you know he's just being very professional but it was sort of hard to tell how he felt about her yeah i loved the when he uh like gets mad at her and puts her in the shower for her spell and then she's like god we love you
Speaker: I'm like, where did you get that from? But okay. like Sure. Yeah. I guess just the fact that she was able to get under his skin. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Cause it was, it was like, you lost your temper. That means you love me. Yeah.
Speaker: It's so cute. And then at the end, her coming in with firewood and groceries and being like, yeah, I've got sniff for a week. We're good. So adorable. Yeah, which is funny. Like, again, like her just being sort of out of touch.
Speaker: Yes. Yes, completely. Yeah, it's like when you ask, you know, people with lots and lots of money how much a gallon of milk costs. Yeah. They say something ridiculous. And I guess, actually, that I'm thinking about it, she went there expecting to live at the dump.
Speaker: Yes. And so, yeah, she was like, we're probably going to need some firewood because you don't have any heat or light. Yeah. And I'm going to bring us some food. We'll figure out what happens after that. Yeah, I love that she was also, like the minute she walked in, she was already redecorating. That wallpaper's going to change because I can't do green. yeah I did. I wrote down... um She's like, oh, it's much nicer than how it was before. And he's like, oh, you noticed that?
Speaker: Yeah, that's pretty fantastic. Oh, too good. Go ahead. go ahead i say I do like that um his friend stayed on with him run the bus. Yes, I was worried about that. He was so like like, he really didn't want to be seen by him. And I was like, oh gosh, what's the story here? Yes. And so that's why like when it did turn into just like this farcical moment and that they really were friends. and Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. i loved how that developed. um Yeah. It was really fun. And him sort of the friends backing Godfrey, but also being like, you're nuts. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: And also really being like, just let her in. I know. And he was like, come on, we all't we all know what's going on here. He's getting married already, gosh. Yeah, he sends the mare in after to get them married. Oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker: That was so funny. Yeah. Yeah, even the whole marriage comes together. He's like, oh, well, we're going to need a witness. She's like, oh, you, you're a witness. Come here. standing. Okay, we're going hold hands. Like, stay. Right. Okay, yes. He's like, right hand. Yes, right hand.
Speaker: it's Yeah, and he is cute he just looked sort of dazed. He was like, yes, this is going to be what it's going to yeah I guess he was just, I mean, maybe part of, it was almost like he was repenting like he regretted yeah how he lived before and who he was before and it was like he met all these other people and he wanted to kind of save them and and i feel like maybe that was part of why he would not let himself or did not want to let himself feel anything sure for irine going back to the old life and and also just like
Speaker: it was like hes he's serving a higher purpose now almost like a month or something like he is doing this noble work and he doesn't get to have a relationship now um because I feel like he was just very i don't know there was something the way he talked about like having the job and like the pride of yes keeping the job and being a good butler and and the pride he was taking and like providing for his fellows um It just sort of seemed aesthetic or something. cool I can see that. Yeah.
Speaker: Like their last scene, doing dishes before he leaves. um He's so different in that scene. Like, i mean, I guess he's, he's sort of done what he wanted to do. Yeah. But there does seem to be like a weight off of him. And he's allowing them to be friends.
Speaker: In a way. But he's not going to let it get past that. More than that. Yeah. yeah Yeah. so that was like sweet. But yeah, I was like, ah is that it?
Speaker: yeah Yeah. I was a little bummed that they never kissed. Yeah. There was fairly, I mean, in comparison to some of the other movies we've watched. Yeah. Very minimal romance in this romantic comedy. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. but like i did feel it yes i felt like they had chemistry but like definitely it happened one night i remember it being like it feeling like erotic like it's hard yeah it totally was did this was definitely less of that yeah which i guess it was and i wonder if that's like the evolution of screwball because like i feel like when we when we talked about in the past we were we sort of Had an idea of what that might be. Right.
Speaker: And maybe this is becoming more what that actually, what we thought it was. Yes. yeah um Because like screwball, like I would think just based on that word, like farce and like silliness and big characters and stuff. And I feel like we were getting more of that. Yes. Which we did not see so much.
Speaker: And it happened one night. And maybe that was more of like romance. Yes. bigger role. And now it's evolving into more of like a comedy rom-com. Right.
Speaker: Thing. Yeah. Like we're making, we're kind of doing something new. So it has to be a little bit of the old thing to make it ah approachable. But now we can take a little bit more of a step into what we think this new genre should really be.
Speaker: I do have one, one question. How do we think Godfrey knew that the pearls were in his room and under his mattress? was wondering about that too. Because I was like, I'm glad he found them before. yeah But like, what was he, did he like, I guess maybe when he went to go lay down, like maybe he pulled out the, you know, the sheets and like, I don't know. And he was like really drunk. I was nervous. boy drunk wince I thought he was going to get fired. Yeah. He was going get in trouble. Yeah. um And then with the pearls, I was like, oh gosh, you're getting in trouble with the police, but nothing.
Speaker: It was all fine. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess maybe he noticed something off when he went in, even though he seemed so out of it. Yeah. And maybe he was playing it up for their benefit. That could be too.
Speaker: Especially when they came into his room because... The way he was, like, looking and stuff. It's like, oh, he's behind it. I must have hid it somewhere. Yeah. yeah Like, I could see him maybe doing that.
Speaker: Yeah, just, like, playing it up for them. But, I don't know. I mean, he also doesn't. i'm I'm sure he didn't trust Cornelia. So, maybe he kind of knew or felt like something was going on the way she was asking. Yeah. Yeah, that certainly could be.
Speaker: I know I was anticipating for a while, like maybe it was, maybe Molly tipped him off or like maybe Molly went in and said something. But it really wasn't. It was just he. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker: i mean, know I'm happy he found them. I didn't want him to get in trouble by any means. and yeah And I'm glad that it kind of put Cornelia in her place a little bit to be like, look, not only did I give you your pearls back, but I saved your entire family. oh yeah. Well, she's like,
Speaker: crying. and Yeah, she definitely feels humbled. yeah But even in that moment, like when they're searching his room, I was glad that they didn't find them. And and it kind of got the yes feeling that she was making it up.
Speaker: yeah I'm glad that just didn't go on for too long. But yeah, I don't... I mean, I guess he was drunk because even if he was like... If it was an act, I don't think...
Speaker: like dropping stuff was needed. Yes. So yeah, I don't know. Comedy. Yeah. This has been our disbelief.
Speaker: Yeah, I enjoyed it. I thought it was really fun. um Yeah, isn he I do. wasn't sure if I, I mean, i don't know. I shouldn't feel skeptical of like an older movie.
Speaker: yeah Yeah. I do always enjoy them, but it's like, it does feel like this is gonna be more of effort. Right. effort Yeah, way and I do think part of that, at least for me, I think part of that is like i I don't understand the references to the same degree. Like I don't understand the culture to the same degree. So it feels like it's going to be a little bit more um like mentally.
Speaker: Yeah, like and like academic. Yes, exactly. but Every time I watch one for this, I'm always like, man, I got to watch more old movies. Yeah, it was I was totally laughing out loud and stuff. My husband was looking at me like,
Speaker: Like what's wrong with you? You're like, it's funny. Yeah. Yeah, they're good. and I like that, you know, I don't I like that it always feels very much of, of the time, meaning like if it feels as if it was made when it was made, which sounds stupid. You know what i mean? Yeah. Yeah. um But also I feel like it's fun to go back and like situate yourself in like the depression era and be like, oh my gosh, why were they making these comments, you Well, and relevant themes.
Speaker: Well, to this day, yes. You know, as much as we don't have, or like the, the way money, like an old money family and all that, as much as that feels different, like economic disparity in the United States is still oh my gosh worse than ever. So say horrible so definitely interesting.
Speaker: And then I also, i it's like, I feel like maybe we talked about this last time, but like watching bloopers of old movies and like being reminded that like they are people. And I think the way like the performances that we saw,
Speaker: In this, especially Carol Lombard, is that her name? Yeah, Carol Lombard. Like, it felt like someone i couldn't know. that's like, tickles something, you know, as like feeling like a human.
Speaker: Yeah, no, I i completely agree. she yes She feels more, I don't want to say grounded, but I liked your phrasing before, more modern, like someone I would actually know. Yeah, we definitely did talk about that last time. Yeah.
Speaker: like that yeah It's fun. Like, when the styles were more like... tightened and yeah um like they do feel just like there's just more distance I feel like yes watching something like that but yeah um yeah so some of the like things she did was like that's just ah another that's just a person just like me yeah I'm a person too yeah I want to
Speaker: a yeah i want to I feel like every time we watch something, I'm always like, oh my god, man, I want to go watch this other thing or something else. like I want to see her in more stuff. Like, is this very much so just how she was?
Speaker: or was this particular to this character? Yeah. I wonder.
Speaker: Yeah, now I'm thinking. So we picked this one because... the poster was up in the movie theater in Yang. Yang episode.
Speaker: I'm trying remember. Did they say anything else about it? Let's go
Speaker: Evening with Mr. Yang. Honestly, I should probably go into the psych wiki. That would probably be better. i ever anything written down about it but i feel like timothy o'munson said it was like one of his favorites and and they just talked about um it being how like they always thought of psych or the riot steve frank's yeah did yes um as a screwball comedy it definitely is like as as we're starting to get a little bit more of a
Speaker: of a reference history surrounding screwball, like that fast paced, you know, kind of quirky, witty, like back and forth and things not always jumping to what you think they're going to jump to and then jumping to something else. Like that's very psych. Mm hmm.
Speaker: yeah and I feel like too um just thinking of like very heightened characters but at the same time not so heightened that they're like I don't know like some sitcoms I have a hard time like I love sitcoms but like some of them just don't really work for me because it's like the characters are just too extreme and like they don't feel like real people yeah yeah and I feel like in Psych they're They are extreme, but they're like grounded enough.
Speaker: Yes. It's very successful. And I feel like that is kind of what we saw here where they were like, just so nutty, but ah yeah it didn't take me out of it. They didn't feel false.
Speaker: Yeah. And I think... one of the things at least for me that makes that make the most sense in each of the situations like in psych and in this case is I feel like the the backgrounds of the character make a lot of sense like what we learn about Sean like his kind of shared history that we get with him and the other characters of course then leads to him being this like nutty cop referencing person that hangs out with guys. You know what mean? Like it, it tracks, there's enough groundwork there for it to seem a little kooky, but not like so outlandish that it wouldn't be it couldn't be.
Speaker: Yeah. And like the, the language they all kind of speak together, like h because they all have like their version of it, like it doesn't feel like totally perfect.
Speaker: like it doesn't feel as heightened as it it actually Right. Yeah, and I feel like like characters like Lassie and Jules... I mean, Lassie, definitely on the more extreme side, but then like Jules, she's kind of almost like Irene, you know, like you would, it would be easy for her to just be like this lovely girl next door. And she is that in a way. And then she also comes out of left field and it's like super weird in her own way, yeah which I love that.
Speaker: um And yeah, it just makes like all the dynamics more interesting. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and more, I think we've talked about this before too, but it it makes them more people-y. Like that people. People have a weird niche. Yeah, things that they like and and that they love and that they reference. And um although it might ah feel maybe less standard for the the model of what we think of when we think of a character like that, by not having them so standardized, it actually makes them feel more standard. More universal. Yeah.
Speaker: yeah Anything else? No, I think we've done it. I really i yeah had a great time. Yeah. we watched I watched it through Tubi. Did you watch it through Tubi again? did.
Speaker: God bless. We love in good Tubi. Yes. Oh, man. I know. We're going get back to our regular regular scheduled programming soon. Yeah. Which will be exciting. It has been great.
Speaker: a longer hiatus from Psych than we so okay anticipated. but yeah i think well i think next will be season 4 episode 1. Let me go pull up the title then. Psych season 4 episode 1.
Speaker: oo I missed it. Oh my god. Oh no, that's 11. I was going to say, that's the first one? Oh my god. oh my god It's Despero. Oh, yeah. because Because we watched Princess Bride and we did talk about that.
Speaker: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm so excited. What is the extradition Columbia? Is that what it is? Yes. Exactly. Yay. going to be so much fun.
Speaker: And this is the like, there's a bunch of really funny things in this one. This is when like Gus goes with Sean, but it's really for Abigail, right? Yes. Which is so funny. Yeah. And I do feel like this is when the feel, like the look and feel.
Speaker: Yes. Changes. Change. Like totally. The, well, I really, we talk about this every time, but now they are really not on film anymore. you know And, and I feel like maybe they have a bit more money.
Speaker: Yeah, definitely. and there is a different vibe. Yes. And things start, this is when things really start to like amp up a little bit. Like everything gets a little bit more quirky and a little bit more meticulous.
Speaker: But I guess, yeah, to to the point of the money, when you have a little bit more room. Yeah, they've got some more leeway. They've proven themselves. Yes. Yeah, everyone's like...
Speaker: this works. So if you really want to go to the 20th degree, go for it. We'll see what happens. Yeah, totally. Because, I mean, think in the after show we talked about ah like James Roday Rodriguez talked about, uh, and psychologists, how they had to kind of like convince the yeah network or whatever, ah of certain things, certain choices they were making, like in 2017 and stuff. And so it's like, now it's like, okay, they have, they have proven that right they can be successful doing whatever nutty thing they want to do. So, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: And I would argue that you're off the nuttiness is part of the reason why the people who love this show freaking love this show, you know? yeah So they like really lay into it and I'm, I'm excited to get to see it from an academic lens now. Yeah, that's true. We'll have to look up like when the first like psych sleepovers and stuff were because i got like the, the relationship that they cultivated with them.
Speaker: the viewers is also unique, I feel like. And yeah, they, they do, they do things in the show to like make it fun for the people who really care.
Speaker: So yeah. Absolutely. And this is at a time like before parasocial relationships were like not something that people were talking about. This was very much like we see you. What do you want to see from us? Like we're going to do that. We're in this together, guys. Like they were developing like that kind of social media cult following before that was really a thing because psych was becoming popular when like social media was starting to become popular. Not even 2007, MySpace Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's always been like fandom, but yeah, just the way they like created relationship to the point where literally they have an episode where the audience picks the ending in real time. Yes. So fun.
Speaker: We're on our way. Yes. It's so exciting. If you'd like to join us back here next time to see us on our way, we'll be watching season four, episode of the famed TV show.
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