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Welcome to A Horror Shared: The Introduction.
This episode has Mog and Kitty introduce themselves and their relationship with horror and all it entails...
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Introduction to 'A Horror Shared'
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Speaker
Hello and welcome to the inaugural episode of our podcast, A Horror Shared. We are your hosts. I'm Marg. And I'm Kitty. Get started on learning the intricate differences in our tone and diction. Yeah, we're basically just, we're just doing this podcast because we like horror movies and we like
00:00:30
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Talking films. Yeah, we enjoy good horror. We enjoy a good horror and we enjoy a horror shed. Yeah, we like to share our love. Yeah, of the genre.
Psychology of Fear in Horror Films
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Well, my favourite word at the moment is psychology. I'm saying it way too much. Sorry to those people I'm having conversations with. I'm saying psychology every two seconds. I love the idea of the psychology of fear and how horror movies
00:01:04
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are so much a sign of the time. Should we just get straight into what we think of the genre? Yeah. This is basically just we're not going to be talking about a particular film or anything like that. Sorry, I'm fiddling with my pen. We're also very all over the place just as people. So hey, this is us.
Cultural Perspectives on Horror
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What I love about horror is I love the psychology of it and I love the way that you can tell so much about cultures. And how it reflects society.
00:01:44
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Yeah, through the portrayal of certain things, even inside of the genre, like how an easy trope to give an example of is the difference between spooky children. Spooky children as a trope. If you look at Japanese horror,
00:02:05
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as opposed to Spanish horror, there's differences. And I love that because I think it's one of those things it's like, fear is such a primal thing.
00:02:20
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and I love anything that takes us back down to the fact that we are animals. I love the fact that we have these silly little houses and these silly little jobs but at the end of the day we all have innate fears and how society has brought us up has shaped them into different things and how
00:02:42
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a director chooses to show that is also really interesting. So that's my kind of general idea about horror. I've been talking for a lot of very sorry. You do generally talk more than me anyway. I do. So hopefully you're not sat there thinking, ah, but Mog's voice was way better because heads up, I'm gonna talk more.
00:03:04
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That's a giver.
Comfort in Horror: Trauma and Healing
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But no, yeah I love with horror is what it also does to people and how it's a genre that affects people even after the film. It's like it leaves you thinking and it just with some people who get scared easily it leaves them
00:03:29
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still feeling scared or developing a fear for something that they never thought of before. No, I just find, I find comfort in horror films and I don't know, I just wanna share that. Yeah. There's a, and I don't know how much, also the thing is neither one of us has like studied. Oh yeah, no. Psychology or anything like that. So, you know, we may be talking out of our arse at points,
00:03:56
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yeah i did psychology for half a term for a level oh she's educated um but it's i think there's this thing that if you and hey not to delve too deep into life but it's it's like a thing that
00:04:15
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if you have had a traumatic or stressful life you find comfort in traumatic and stressful things. That's something that I've noticed as well is with some of my friends who may have been through trauma or different things that they're
00:04:35
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They do find that weird sort of comfort in the feeling that horror the shafelms give you and just in watching them it's just yeah, it's I think it's I don't know if it's the same kind of phenomena or
00:04:53
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It's kind of I guess similar to the idea of Women loving true
True Crime vs. Horror: Comforting Genres?
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crime. Yeah, it's this thing of Because because so much of true crime is like violence done against women and you know the husband did it type stories And yet, you know
00:05:19
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And obviously simplifying a lot for gender, but you know, you're, you're walking around and there is that fear of it, but then you go home and you listen to a podcast. Like I have friends who listen to true crime to fall asleep. Yeah. That is a level I can't do. I'll be tip typing at my desk. I'll be like, I work in a school and I'm there like typing up grades for year seven students. I'm like da, da, da, da, da, da. And it's like, and she was found in a fridge in three different fridges. Each body part is like,
00:05:49
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it's fucked up but it's like comforting yeah it's a it's a fucked up comfort it is and it's yeah i love i i think that is really interesting about horror how like it does provide that level of comfort and i
00:06:08
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i also think um the thing the thing with horror is it it feels edgier because it i mean it is edgier than like rom-com oh yeah but it it's like this thing that i've found um are we
00:06:26
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So how we got into
Marg's Journey Into Horror
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horror. Oh yeah. So basically how I got into horror is I used, if anyone were to ask me when I was younger, what genre of film I'd like, I'd probably say something along the lines of, oh, I love every genre of film apart from horror, which is really funny. I have a horror podcast.
00:06:53
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But I remember being at my friend's house when we... School I was at before I moved house. I was younger than 13. It's essentially the maths of that. Who knows when you're a kid, ages of... But I was younger than 13 and we were just...
00:07:14
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they just had a film on TV and we were kind of moving about and sitting for a bit of it and and her younger brother was watching the TV and her younger brother this is more excellent maths so she had a sister in between her and her brother so if we say three years difference between her and her brother because we'll give him a year and a half in between so he would have been younger than 10 okay
00:07:44
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Everyone on board, everyone on board. Buckle up, we're moving fast. And they had one of the final destinations on TV.
00:07:57
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And yeah, so I'm, I'm sat there probably 12. He sat there probably eight, nine. And it's the bit where the guy, and hey, if you make me watch one of the final destinations, I'm going to have like PTSD at this moment. Um, it's the bit where he slips on the spaghetti and then the ladder goes through his eye. Yeah. That bit. And you're laughing. And this.
00:08:25
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eight-year-old kid was laughing at it and I had never seen gore. My parents are very like, they're super chill with kind of nudity.
00:08:40
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and like sex, like the first 15 I saw was love actually. And I remember talking to my mum about it because I still hadn't seen quite a few 12s, like violent 12s. And my mum was essentially like, well boobs are normal and sex is normal. But someone getting shot in the head isn't. Yeah, that shouldn't be normal.
00:09:07
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And so she's kind of like, I'm okay with you seeing like sexual 15s, but I'm not okay with you seeing violent 15s. And so watching that scene in Final Destination was probably the goriest thing I'd ever seen. And the fact that the gore was the punchline made me really uncomfortable. Because that is the kind of point with the Final Destination. Yeah, they are supposed to make you feel uncomfortable.
00:09:34
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Well no, it caused a punchline. It's that whole thing of like, let's see how fucked up these guys are gonna die, essentially. How far they can take it. Yeah, yeah.
Experiencing Different Eras of Horror
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And so that really put me off horror. And I essentially...
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I was a teenager during the age of, like a young teenager, during the age of the super CGI, super like gory remakes. I think that's what the kind of 2000s were. Like 2000 and then like early 2010s, that's what they were.
00:10:16
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And that kind of horror just did not appeal to me at all. Still kind of doesn't. But I will make my peace for you, my darling, I think. Yes, because I was a teenager after that. Yeah. It's only two years. I'm like... We are recording this as Mog visits me in my nursing home.
00:10:46
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um but it's it yeah so i that i was very against horror um like almost to a to a moral degree i'm like if you watch horror you're all messed up and then yes i'm talking directly looking straight at me and then i this summer before i went to uni i was like i'm about to go to uni
00:11:12
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I need to become more cultured because I'm gonna go to uni and Everybody's gonna have read all these books and watched all these films and they're gonna know things about life I think did you have like a similar crisis before uni? No, no, I think it was for me before uni it was I'd watched everything
00:11:35
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Yeah, I've watched, I think for me, I missed out on the rom-com side growing up. Because I've just never watched any of those. You know, there's like, people will talk about this classic sleepover films that's got like Lindsay Lohan and like, you know, like the parent trap and things like that. So yeah, I've never seen them.
00:11:58
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because that's not your genre yeah it's not yeah it's not my genre it wasn't it wasn't a horror specifically yeah but it was just culture in general okay so i got those lists you know the 101 blank to watch before you die oh yeah 101 action movies to watch before you die 101
00:12:18
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like comedies and I basically got all of those lists and I was like I'm gonna watch at least 25 of each of these lists because in my mind if I watch all of them I'm a clap.
00:12:36
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But I want to watch enough to be able to have a good chance of if someone's like, oh my gosh, this scene in this. Yeah, to have a conversation with someone. Yeah. So I was like, cool. I've got all these lists. I'm going to start with horror and we're going to watch 25 of each of them.
00:12:52
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And then I just only haven't touched the other lists because horror was like, you're mine. And that's how I got into horror. And there is a specific film.
00:13:09
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And I actually can't remember if you've seen it or not, but I will be talking about this film. This is my episode. There's a specific film that I won't name, but I watched it and I remember there's this jump scare in the film that kind of early on, it's like not even a scary jump scare, but I felt, you know when you feel air underneath you? Like you moved.
00:13:36
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like a cat literally and i and i remember thinking it was the first time i watched a horror movie and i remember thinking oh i want more of this like this particular style this particular i want more of this um yeah and then and then i got really into horror and that's that's my origin story that's yours okay and now time for more yes um
00:14:03
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Well, I've always loved horror. It was always my favorite genre growing up. And I'd never seen really... I watched like action or like action adventure fantasy, like obviously Lord of the Rings. But it was mainly horror for me growing up. Because my parents are very rock with their music and stuff. So I used to listen to Sandman by I Maiden to get to sleep.
00:14:31
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So I've been very much growing up in a place where horror. That's such a good line. I'm just thinking about the lyrics. I'm like, yeah, now I lay me down to sleep. Yeah. So I kind of grew up with horror as like a basis line. But it's funny though, because my parents are not big horror film watchers. But there's the first horror I ever watched. I was a baby and it was Lake Placid.
00:15:02
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Which, yeah, it's a... Which I haven't seen yet. Yet. Yeah. Which maybe talks about later on. But I think then when I was... I was four years old then when the Van Helsing came out in October 2003.
00:15:20
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that shaped yeah that's so much well i was four damn you didn't stand a chance no you were i loved it i was great and so yeah i used to at night before bed i was like this baby this toddler watching horrors to help get to sleep and stuff and it was just
00:15:42
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It's so crazy that we've kind of gone on the opposite part. Yeah, with very opposite spectrums. You mentioned the Final Destination film. I think I was about 13. I first saw one of them and it was at a sleepover at a friend's and they had this film and they were like, oh, should we just watch to see what the hype is about?
00:16:09
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And then I was enjoying it, but then everyone else there was just very scared and they never saw the rest of it because they wanted to turn it off and put a different film on. And I was like, but I want to see the end. See what happens. But I was the only one enjoying it. It's so crazy that you were like.
00:16:26
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Oh yeah, by the time I was 13, and I'm like, yeah, that story also, like, I was just under 13, but that's actually the same point in time, but we experienced that film and it's the difference in reaction.
Gore in Horror: Comedy or Discomfort?
00:16:38
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Yeah, that's a very big reaction difference. Yeah, yeah. But then I remember, I think I was about 14, 13, 14, then when the Annabelle, no, that doll, that film came out. Yeah. And in The Conjuring, I think she first makes her.
00:16:54
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I was about that age when I first went to the cinema to see a horror instead of just seeing it from DVD or on TV.
00:17:03
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um and i remember i went there's four of us and i the other three they all jumped because there's jump scares in the film yeah yeah but when that jump scare the big one in the film came up they all jumped screamed and i laughed because i find a form of comedy in horror films which is kind of weird but yeah
00:17:28
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It is that form of comedy that I think first put me off because it's the way that my friend's brother was taking so much glee in the way that this guy died. It was kind of scary. I did have a moment where I was kind of like, this is what it was like in the Colosseum.
00:17:57
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this is what the gladiators did like that kind of a vibe it was kind of like unnerving um but like now yeah now i'll laugh oh but i still i i and this is going to be interesting as we do this i still don't know what my line with gore is i still have a line that i can't cross sometimes like and i don't know if i'd class this as a horror movie
00:18:26
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because it's definitely, I think I'd class that as a bad movie, fight me. The movie, it's not, two films came out at the same time and they're all like the end or something and I can't remember, the one where the actors are playing themselves. This is the end or world's end? It's the movie with like James Franco and Seth Rogen and,
00:18:52
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I've seen ads and the apocalypse happens and at like a house party at like a celebrity house party and and yeah and they're living through the apocalypse in their house and it's them playing themselves and
00:19:07
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It's, I had to turn the film off because I felt queasy at a bit of gore. There's this bit where, spoilers, but sure, Michael Cera dies because essentially he gets impaled by a lamppost. It's like an earthquake happening and it falls on him and he gets impaled.
00:19:32
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and and then like as it falls he gets lifted up and he's like on this lamp post and and like it's funny in yeah i'm silently giggling yeah this is an audio medium so you can giggle out loud um but it but it just made me feel queasy and it and i think it's this level of when the gore is the punchline
00:20:00
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when there's a punchline and gore is involved i don't know what it is i'm genuinely like i do i think this will be really fun for me to try and figure out where this line is i think what it is is i can deal with a gory punchline but i can't deal with when the gore is the punchline like if the joke is ha ha that person died look how horrifically that person died i don't find that funny
00:20:27
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Yeah, I don't...
Acceptable Gore: Realism and Reaction
00:20:29
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when it's things like that, but in more of a serious or more realistic manner in the way that that's how people are actually being killed, like even today, then that bit I don't find funny. I think that's where... Okay, there may be a dip. And if the flow is ruined, we had a technical difficulty.
00:20:57
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Go. Go. Yeah, so if it's like a more realistic way someone would die, then I don't really find that funny because you're nervous. Yeah. It's horrific. Yeah, it is horrific and you just like can't really laugh at that. But if it's like a
00:21:22
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impossibly weird freak scenario. Yeah. And I guess that's where the appeal of the final destination is. Yeah. Yeah. So like those, when I was a young teenager, there was this
00:21:38
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I watch this anime called Another, which I do recommend if you're a gory horror fan, but it's each, so there's about 12 deaths in it, but they're all like nearly, they wouldn't really happen type of deaths. It's like there's this guy who gets, he spoiled us, semi-giver face.
00:22:07
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I love the, hey, watch it, and now I'll tell you. Skip forward five seconds or whatever. Kind of gets possessed and ends up, like, with a...
00:22:19
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machete attacking the school pupils but it's more of a he's possessed or there's these children like a swimming pool and then all of a sudden there's like a shark there or something yeah yeah where it's like you know that's not quite yeah um but yeah i just or if a horror is like so bad it's good but in there so bad it makes you laugh
00:22:46
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i think so i think my relationship with gore is if i think if the person shows fear it's no longer fine even if it is in a gory way because i think because again it's that idea of the punchline but it's
00:23:10
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So Michael Cera, there's this moment where he's like completely impaled and he's like, cause it happens at a house party, so he's super like high on drunk or whatever, but he's just kind of like there, impaled and he's like, oh my God, man, like this fucking sucks. And it's like, oh no, I can't find this funny now because that is a person in pain. There's something about them reacting
00:23:39
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The suffering of others. That makes it like, and that's what then makes me feel queasy, is when it's still meant to be funny. Yeah. Is when I've stepped out of the, this is a funny horror movie, there's going to be gore to, oh, this is just watching someone die. Like, I am
00:24:05
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tentative to watch some films like, I don't know if Piranha is on your list. I don't think I've seen that one. Films like that really freak me out because you're gonna watch hot teens get eaten and there's a certain element to
00:24:28
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I want the people to die in horror movies to have deserved it. Or I want their death to not be funny. I don't like it when people that I like have funny deaths. I think that might be it. Because if it's someone who you have been hating the whole way through the film and then they get a comical death and you're like, you deserve that mate. That was coming. Yeah. But it's when someone who actually hasn't done a single thing wrong
00:24:59
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then gets a horrifically gory death. And it's meant to be funny. Like it doesn't balance out. Yeah. Yeah. And I know like films like, yeah, like Piranha, Double D, or whatever that the sequel was or whatever, is just gonna be like, and it's gonna be so dripping in the 2000s sexism of like,
00:25:25
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Oh, that's a girl with nice boobs. She deserves to be eaten because she's a woman who is mildly into makeup. Yeah. So I just know watching those horror movies, which it would... I mean, I'm into the idea of watching it for science. For science. But I know it's going to be that thing of like, this is a woman who actually hasn't done anything wrong.
00:25:52
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now let's watch with something horrific happened. Yeah. And she's like, yeah, devoured by others or things like that. And, and, and obviously part of the horror will be watching her screaming. Yeah. So I think that type of thing when that happens, it does make me feel a bit of discomfort. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But as well with go
00:26:20
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like I don't like squeamish gorgle it's meant to make you feel like cringy and killer for whatever I know I'm okay with I think pretty much everything is just eyes eyes I just cannot stand okay yeah like if the
00:26:44
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goal is eye related, like a needle in the eye or something. Oh yeah. Or something and then I just, I might, I'll just like, I'll tense up or I might briefly turn away or something but that's, that's like the most. Yeah, the most, the most like, specific. Yeah. I think, I think it is. That is,
00:27:10
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It is, and again, this is another reason why I find horror so interesting, is it is that difference in the viewing experience because
00:27:25
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To be fair, I don't think I've really seen any horror movies that are particularly eye-related.
Personal Boundaries in Horror
00:27:29
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I was gonna say something like, I don't mind eyes, but I'm sure I'm not watching horror movies like, oh yeah, step on right in the eye, that'll be great. Like, it probably does weird me out, I just haven't specifically come across that. Yeah, but there was a show I was watching where this, um, this girl did stab this man in the eye, and he did, was it? He was a, um, but...
00:27:54
Speaker
It wasn't, that I was okay with, it was more, I think if it's... Slow and drawn out. Yeah, slow drawn out and you can actually see it. Whereas this girl, when she stabbed, I think it was like with her rusty nails or something, the guy in the eye.
00:28:13
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then you didn't really see it going in or anything, you just saw the hand and then the guy with his hand over his eye with the nail sticking out and blood. So that doesn't like face, but it's like when you can specifically see. I'm thinking of, and this is actually just a poster, it's not even actually, I don't know how much it is in the film, but would you rather poster?
00:28:41
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I saw that. I've seen a poster. Have you seen a film?
00:28:45
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Yeah, I think I've seen the film. There's two that's... Oh no, not would you rather if you dare or something like that. They both have similar promise to them. This is the would you rather poster. If you are listening, hey, Google it. It's the first image that comes up if you just say would you rather movie. This.
00:29:13
Speaker
Oh, so yeah, I can see that poster, and I'll be okay. But if you see that razor going into the eye, then I wouldn't be. Okay, no, but yeah, but it's just that idea of like, this is enough to put me kind of like, oof, because now I'm thinking, when does this happen in the film? Yeah, but yeah. Oh, and there's also that bit in Saw.
00:29:42
Speaker
where there's eye related mishaps mishaps it's just not it's not ideal no it's not ideal there's there's moments in sore way you think oh i would not like that to happen to my eye yeah um yeah i i i also think it's going to be interesting um
00:30:08
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I feel like this is my pitch for getting people to listen is I'm like, and this is why this is a good dynamic because we have that difference of our journey to horror.
Classic vs. Modern Horror Preferences
00:30:24
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And we have different experiences watching horror. Yeah.
00:30:29
Speaker
And also I think we have different, very different tastes in horror in terms of what we've watched and what we enjoy watching obviously because of what we have watched. I am very much a old school horror. I have seen the classics. I am
00:30:59
Speaker
Yeah, I'm an old-school horror gal. I like watching, like, the originals of things. I like knowing the history of it. And I guess that came from the fact that I was watching, like, these are the horror movies you have to see before you die. Yeah. So I was very much watching the, um, the Pinnacles. Um, yeah. And, and, and, um, yeah. So in terms of like,
00:31:29
Speaker
It is quite funny because I have a lot of people who know that I like horror and will be like, oh my word, you love horror. What did you think of XYZ movie that's come out in the past 10 years? And I'm like, huh? What? No, no, no. But if you're talking horror movies from the 1940s,
00:31:51
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I'm here to chat. Yeah, well as I think I'm more 80s, 90s up. Yes. And you're below. Yeah, yeah. And also, and this is absolutely no Tino shade, from what it sounds like, it's more the grungy horror movies. It feels slightly more...
00:32:16
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oily like i'm not gonna say greasy because that feels like negative yeah but a slightly more oily horror movie it's like like again i haven't seen like placard but it feels slightly more of like it it's it's a film that's not gonna find itself in a
00:32:35
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if all films were going to be deleted, we have to save these films to show. It's that thing of like, it's a horror movie that you watch when you want to watch a horror movie as opposed to it's a horror movie that you teach a class on.
00:32:53
Speaker
And I think because of my journey to horror, I've seen a lot more of a teaching a class on horror. So that's gonna be interesting. Let's see if I can class you up. Let's see if you can bring me down. No, but it is just that like difference in a kind of
00:33:20
Speaker
homegrown horror watcher as opposed and again I feel like I'm like massively big in myself up honestly don't go back and watch a lot of films from the past because there will be issues yeah hey man I don't know if you know this about the past but it's problematic at times yeah there are horror movies that I've watched that I I watched for the
00:33:50
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experience of watching it and also I mean it is one of those things that addressing these things is really important yeah um there are films that I am glad I watched because I think you know the foundations of horror especially with a genre like horror oh yeah it takes a lot from from the from the common views yeah
00:34:19
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and the view of people at that time and also what scares people of that time which
00:34:32
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if you're talking 1930s white people, hey, do you know what scares upper-class 1930s white people? Yeah, it's not good. A lot of horror films I've seen, it's like, geez, really? But it's an important part of the genre. And then it's so good to see the progressions.
Significance of Black Horror Films
00:35:01
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just to shout out to an excellent documentary on horror that I watched, because I also watch documentaries on horror. Like I said, I'm the fancy up myself one. There's an excellent documentary on Shudder, which is a horror centric Netflix called
00:35:29
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horror noir, I think it's called. It's essentially a look back through history of black horror.
00:35:43
Speaker
And it was really interesting because it goes from, you know, from the 20s. Yeah, horror noir, a history of black horror is on Shudder. And probably other things as well. It's really interesting because it shows all the
00:36:04
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it has, you know, clips from these horror movies and then it talks to, um, Jordan Teals interviewed for it, um, other, like, black actors. I think other, like, black celebrities who aren't necessarily connected to horror, but, um, to show, like, how
00:36:28
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films of the past have affected like the black experience nowadays and it also talks to like like they've interviewed actors who were in those horror movies and stuff and it's it's very interesting how that progression has come and it's
00:36:51
Speaker
It's one of those things where I am glad that I watched the terrible films and then watched the documentary because I had the context for what they were talking about and then also
00:37:10
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And there's a lot of a way to go but you can see the progression. Like the fact that there are films like White Zombie where so much of the horror comes from this white woman who has become a zombie and that's a thing that only happens to black people.
00:37:32
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essentially the premise of that film so that's that's where the horror comes from oh my goodness how could this happen to a dainty little white woman essentially
00:37:45
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you then get to look at films like Get Out where it's a black director talking about black experiences through the medium of horror. You have that look of like okay we've got places to go but we can look back at this and say there is movement. So that was a really interesting documentary. It's like films that
00:38:12
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have been portrayed to the male gaze whereas now are more obviously with the rise in female directors have become more female gaze based which is them not objectifying women and but just
00:38:30
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living yeah like i i haven't seen booksmart but i know a lot of people raved about that film because it's very kind of real yeah and it's like lady chattelley's lover um i think chattelley yeah i'm not too sure on the fancy i studied a book okay i think it's lady chattelley's lover okay but yeah but yeah that's been praised for
00:38:57
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Showing it through a female gaze in with especially with one scene where the lady's out dancing in the rain and where if it was through the male gaze that would have been objectified and but because it's through the female gaze it's not it's just
00:39:16
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she's out there dancing in the rain enjoying living and it's it's the there's a really good comparison of Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad yeah her costume of the shorts and the crop top and there's so many shots of the camera panning up her body and look at her ass and
00:39:44
Speaker
And it's very objectifying.
Gender Perspectives in Horror
00:39:49
Speaker
It's very male-gazy. It's very... I like how nowadays we just assume like film terms like that. The male gaze is essentially a... it's a film term for the idea that the camera is a man and
00:40:07
Speaker
it is looking at things the way that a male would. But as a male through toxic masculinity? Yes. Yes, it is very much kind of male in the society, in a patriarchal world male. Obviously, there are good men in this world.
00:40:32
Speaker
um disclaimer there are some good men in this world um but and then you look at Harley Quinn in Birds of Prey and there are scenes she's wearing shorts she's wearing a crop top the costume isn't different but it never once feels
00:40:57
Speaker
objectifying or sexualizing in that outfit. It's clothes that she's wearing. She's just wearing them. She's not wearing the front of the house. If anything like the sleeves are shorter so you can probably see more of her skin but it isn't she isn't as nude. Yeah. And it's that difference of
00:41:17
Speaker
you know, Suicide Squad was directed by a man, Birds of Prey was directed by a woman, and that's the difference, and that's, it's exactly that, and you can see the progression. And horror also has an interesting relation with women. Yes, and the objectification of them.
00:41:41
Speaker
and the, um, capitalisation on female pain. Yeah. We, um, we love that horror loves that. Um, as two women we love that. Um, it's, yeah, this is, um,
00:42:06
Speaker
We've actually been talking for quite a while about horror now. But again, this is what I love about the genre, I think. And this is probably very biased because I haven't put this much energy into action films and rom-coms and
00:42:28
Speaker
And I think there probably is a lot to delve into there. Yeah, but I've just, my knowledge and watch experience of those films is definitely, especially rom-coms and those types of films are definitely a lot less. Yeah. Because I've barely seen them, but I also think it's, because I didn't
00:42:49
Speaker
grow up watching those types of things that it doesn't quite grip me. Does that make sense? It's one of those things where I think it's very dismissive to say there's less to look into when it comes to a rom-com, I think. And also that's probably very much linked into the idea of, you know, like if women like it, what's the point in watching it? So I don't want to feed into that and say it's not as ripe for dissection, but
00:43:20
Speaker
there is just, yeah, back to the primal aspect of fear.
Old School Horror Techniques
00:43:25
Speaker
I think horror is so good to look at in terms of what you can say about things. And how directors try and show a fear, especially with the way CGI is now compared to
00:43:46
Speaker
some of the older ones and like the classics they would have they didn't have that CGI to portray some fears and add in certain shocks so what how they have
00:44:01
Speaker
So the way that they have made audiences scared, essentially, is a bit more clever, in a sense. Technically clever than... Yeah. And we'll definitely get into that in terms of when I'm talking about my...
00:44:16
Speaker
my old-school horrors because I that's another reason why I love them. I think also CGI sometimes just... It just fails sometimes. Whereas like practical effects and practical fit shows show it I like it because there's a technicality to it that is very
00:44:44
Speaker
fun. Because we have been talking for quite a while. Yes, and this was an introduction episode. Hey, when we're talking about film, maybe when we're talking about film, we'll be more focused. Yeah. And it won't. Sorry if this was rambly. What I did just want to say is essentially what
00:45:06
Speaker
structure we're gonna have because we actually said that no we were too busy talking about why horror is the only genre worth watching yeah the only one you should watch yeah it's um
00:45:22
Speaker
So basically the idea is that we're both gonna watch a film, the same film in fact.
Podcast Format Explanation
00:45:31
Speaker
We're both gonna watch a horror movie and one person will have already seen it before.
00:45:41
Speaker
and have prior knowledge have prior knowledge do research or you know however much research we do or don't want to do but essentially have a context to the film yeah
00:45:59
Speaker
and then the other person will be going to it into its sort of blind sort of kind of I watched this film but I didn't read up yeah about it at all um kind of away probably
00:46:13
Speaker
most most people watch yeah we're a bit different what do you mean watching a film doesn't give you homework um uh i'd like an essay on my desk by monday please um but yeah that idea that um one person's gonna watch it in a very kind of um neutral way this is a film that i saw
00:46:41
Speaker
And then the other person can kind of come in with that knowledge, with that research. And being also, hey, did you know? Yeah. Yeah. Or did you pick up on this? Yeah. Did you see this? And the use of this, which symbolizes this. And the themes. Yeah. Yeah. Because I
00:47:05
Speaker
pretentious as established already. I just am and I'm, you know, I'm sick and tired of pretending that I'm not. I'm pretentious and proud. But yeah, to essentially have, I'm of a belief that context makes films better. And when you know slightly more about it,
00:47:33
Speaker
You get more appreciation as well. Yeah. But I'm also a contrary bitch and whilst thinking that I do also think sometimes it shouldn't matter. It should be good enough on its own. Yes. I have an aunt who teaches English literature and
00:48:02
Speaker
So she helped me get through my GCSEs. She dragged me through my GCSEs. Shout out to you. And she's very much into analyzing things. And sometimes I get in these debate-y kind of arguments with her where I'll be like,
00:48:22
Speaker
oh I found this person really annoying in a film or in a book or something and she'll be like no but you're meant to it's like the audience it's like the writer's intention that this person's annoying and it actually means that this and this and this and I'm like yeah but I found them annoying like well done you succeeded in your goal but also they suck yeah
00:48:45
Speaker
like what just because they're meant to be an annoying doesn't mean that I like them now so yeah like as much as I think context makes things more interesting you do also have to just like something so that's the idea for the podcast we're gonna kind of take it in turns yeah and see where it goes yeah and then yeah watch films like that
00:49:15
Speaker
The first proper episode, this is I guess episode zero. Yes. So episode one? Yes, episode one will be, should I say, should we end? Oh. I was thinking, hey this is planning real time, I was thinking of ending the episode with a next episode will be. That was my thoughts too. Nice!
00:49:45
Speaker
so then it gives you a chance to watch for some too yes they can watch it beforehand and kind of have their own thoughts yeah whilst we have our thoughts yeah which means you can do a more enjoyable experience as well for them yeah hopefully i mean yeah hopefully um i was thinking um
00:50:08
Speaker
I have a really bad habit of listening to podcasts and then if I have my own opinions about it and they're saying things, I'm like, no, I want to be able to be in this conversation.
Listener Engagement and Next Episode Preview
00:50:18
Speaker
I want to, you're not saying the right points. But hey, hopefully you don't have that experience. Hopefully you do enjoy it more. And if you do have thoughts,
00:50:30
Speaker
We do have an Instagram. Yeah, we do have an Instagram, but it's freshly set up. Freshly set up. Very freshly. So yes, the first episode will be, sorry we didn't finish there, the first episode will be, I will be hosting, I have watched the film many a time. And I have recently watched it this morning.
00:50:59
Speaker
And it is Nosferatu, the, we think that's the pronunciation, the 1922 version. So like I said, I'm the history gal.
00:51:17
Speaker
Yes. So Nosferatu 1922 will be the first official episode. And if you want to watch it before the episode, go out and find it. It is on YouTube, I think, in its entirety. I watched it on Plexa, which is free. I just Googled the film and that came up as one of the watch options. I'm guessing you Googled Nosferatu, not just film.
00:51:47
Speaker
Oh yeah, no. Google Nosferatu in 1922. And they were like, yeah, we got a film. And under Watch Options to watch the film on Google, it came up with Planeter. Yeah, because it's so old. That's another reason why I love old films. They're very easy to find because copyright doesn't care anymore. So yes, we'll be watching Nosferatu and
00:52:17
Speaker
We'll be talking about that if you do want to follow us on social media.
Wrapping Up and Social Media Introduction
00:52:21
Speaker
We only have an Instagram. It's a horror shared, a underscore horror underscore shared. It's empty right now. There is nothing. Find it. Content to come. And hold on tight. Yeah.
00:52:41
Speaker
Go on a ride with us. Yeah. So we hope this was enjoyable to hear our opinions on horror. And we need an ending. We will have an ending. But you know what? Like we said, it's episode zero. By episode one, we'll have an ending, question mark, pending, maybe. But thank you for joining us. Thank you.
00:53:11
Speaker
and see you next time! See you next time!