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Speaker: recording and see. Talk for me. Hello, how are you? Yeah, I can hear you. You know, it wouldn't be an episode of the horror shared without the drama. Yeah, just packing it in. We always got to have some tactical difficulties. Keeps it fun, keeps it fun. I'm loving your rhubarb hair. Thank you.
Speaker: A kid decided it for me. I was like, I can do yellow and orange, yellow and green, or yellow and pink. And this kid was like, yellow and pink. I'm like, fair play kid, fair play. My job for this episode is to not be so snotty. That was quite fun. If you got through the last episode, you're a real one, and I respect you.
Speaker: hmm, last one. I'm just moving my drinks to a more accessible place because I've got both the fever time Luna Hayes and the hot chocolate. Oof, love a hot chocolate, love a hot chocolate. I've just got Club Tropica, you know. You're not in the ADHD thing of more than one drink at a time. No, I do have two full pint glasses of water in my room though.
Speaker: Oh. Because when I was tidying, I brought one in. And then when I had my dinner in my room, I brought another one. And then when I changed location to record, I was going to bring it down, but I had to take everything in one trip. So I couldn't. I simply couldn't. You left a man behind. Yep. I left two men behind. Yeah, two men.
Speaker: Yeah, you were right. It is like the purpley design with the skull. I don't know if you can see that. Oh, wait, wait, wait. That's a different one than the one I was thinking I think. Oh. Oh, all of Beavertown's logos are really good. Oh, they're all amazing. Found two new monsters. Oh, exciting. Very exciting. And a proud land of all place. You have a new monster. Poundland. They've upped their game.
Speaker: 7 -5p a can. That's not bad. So, I got two each, so I can have a pure just to drink, just to attend a photo shoot one. Yeah. One that you can enjoy and one for work. I've already had one of the ones. How was it?
Speaker: Oh, I can't give too much away. Oh, no, you can't, yeah. It's, um... It's going to be official. Not what you'd expect from a monster. Oh. Is what I'll say. I'm intrigued. Do a little, do a little sizzle. Um, I'm, like I said, I'm hustling, I'm grinding. Yeah. If you're listening to the podcast and you're not following my monster review page. You follow it. Do you want to give them what your insta handle is for that account?
Speaker: It's xmonstergirlx666. And all I'm saying is if you don't follow that account, I do take it as a personal offence. Yeah, and you are missing out on some serious information that one needs in life. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Like, hey, don't come crying to me if you're standing in a corner shop and you're confronted by all the monsters and you don't know which one to pick.
Speaker: because you didn't follow my account. You didn't do your research. Yeah. Yeah. That's on you, man. It's a shame on you. Yep. Oh, with that being said. Yes, this is a horror pod. It's a whatever we want it to be podcast.
Speaker: We'll talk about some random stuff now and then. It's your episode. Can I say? No. Fair enough. I'm very much looking forward to us because I feel like we've discussed probably off pod how much this podcast project is just teaching us how much we can't pronounce words. Oh yes.
Speaker: The word dual is because I was trying to find it online and we have like a TV with like a little kind of speaking, like a command. Yeah. And I just kept saying dual 2022 movie. And it was sending me to dual.
Speaker: As in, like, the diamonds and the crystals. It's because it's spelled D -U -A -L, where dual is typically spelled D -U -E -L. And it's like when I was writing my notes, Google Correct was always like, no, it's E -L, not A -L. And it's like, oh, but film is A -L.
Speaker: Because it's about duality. It's about two. Yeah, yeah. And it's like... It's a weird play on words, the title, because it's the duality between the two, but it's also a duel as in like a fight. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: But yes, so I literally did it four or five times and each time it was like, yeah, yeah, jewels, like crystals, like diamonds. I'm like, fuck's sake, no. Had to type it in by hand like a goddamn peasant in the 1300s. Not by hand. I know, the humanity of it all. Especially when we live in an age of technology where we should not have to do it by hand.
Speaker: I was livid. And then to top it all off, it wasn't even on. After all of that struggle. It's a bit hard to find. Yes. I think it's because it's such a new movie.
Speaker: Yeah, and it's, it's a film. So last episode that I chose was Death Becomes Air, which was supposed to be an indie film. So not one fourth, like the movie theaters. Yeah. And that's the same for duel. It was an indie film, not originally thought to go to like cinema and the movies. So was like, you know, like the indie Sundance and things like that.
Speaker: Yes, I think that's why it's a bit harder to find because it wouldn't very quickly go on to streaming sites, like if it was a movie film, doesn't it? It's not like a Marvel film where it's on streaming like the day after it's out of cinemas, yeah. Or exactly the same day as Rajo's one. Yeah, we're too up to date for our own good.
Speaker: Yeah, we are. We are way ahead of streaming services. We know what they need to have and they just don't have it. We need to have this one! Oh! Welcome to the podcast where I pick films that are commonly known as likeables.
Speaker: and mom tries to push me out of my comfort zone and I think nope nope no you do not want to move you want to stay in your little corner yeah i want to stay in my corner where there's where there's films okay so here's the thing i i've been diagnosed with ADHD i
Speaker: This is my new personality trait and I'm talking about it a lot but like I do think there is something to do with neurodiversities that mean like because you know I said I don't like when I don't know what the tone is. Oh yes and do you not know the tone of this one? This film is all over the place tonally
Speaker: Because the thing is, Morg, it doesn't have a goddamn tone. It just gives you the events and says, I don't know, fucking think whatever you want to think. Fuck you. Yeah, this film was made to be a you decide kind of. What would you do? What would you think type? It's a psychological horror. It's to make you feel uncomfortable and to make you have these thoughts.
Speaker: Well, here's the thing. Well done, you succeeded. It doesn't mean I like it. Which is fair enough. It's like, wow, now you feel uncomfortable.
Speaker: Wow. And it's like, yeah, yeah, I do feel uncomfortable. Fuck you. Fuck you is in film or fuck you is in most. Yeah. But no, I think that's why I do like this film is because I do like the psychological horrors because they do make you feel something. And it is psychological wise. And it does. They do make you feel slightly unsettled. Whereas I don't get that from other horrors. Okay.
Speaker: I do feel like there is a part of my annoyance with a lack of tone that is probably linked to neurodiversity because it is that thing of struggling to read rooms. Yeah. And then when a film's being like that, you're like, God damn it! What have I meant to think?
Speaker: No, I think I didn't feel that so much on my face watch of the film because, you know, I was thousands of miles in the arrows on a plane when I face watched this film. And so there's like, tiredness in there as well. So I didn't have so much of those thoughts, I guess, as to, well, how is this supposed to technically make me feel?
Speaker: Where is this going? What was the, you know? To a certain extent, you were just letting it wash over you. Yeah. I was just going through the motion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was sitting, yeah, there was a stranger sitting next to me on the plane and I was just like, I've been watching, I've been binging horror films on this, I think this was like the 16 hour one. So I think it was like the first lag.
Speaker: and just binging all these horror films sitting next to this strange guy who's watching like these soft films and like light -hearted ones and so I was just very, my mind was very conscious of trying not to make him freaked out by me just only watching the horrors. It probably would have been even creepier if like you were only watching horror films and then you like
Speaker: watched the Care Bear movie and then went back to like Saw 4.
Speaker: Oh yeah, that would be weird. But yeah, every now and again I was just looking over to him just to make sure he wasn't like being freaked out. And sat all the way on the furthest side of a seat. Because you can see the screen of the person you're sitting next to and you know you don't know if they, and like a horror film on a plane next to someone you don't know, you don't know how they would feel about just suddenly seeing like something gory on the screen next to you.
Speaker: So I think that's what I was more conscious of was watching it. So it made me able to watch the film without a lot of the, what is this tone? What am I supposed to do? What did you think of the second watch then? Did you watch it again? Yes, I did watch it again. I got halfway through my second watch because we've been having troubles with our internet in this house recently. And so
Speaker: I got halfway through on the second watch. I think I knew on the second watch more as to how I should feel watching it because I'd seen it to the end already. So I was already going into it with a baseline. With a gauge of what the tone should be.
Speaker: And there is one thing I think about this film that may have been you struggling to pick up the tone was, I don't know if you noticed it, but this film was not shot on location, so it's set in America.
Speaker: OK. It was not filmed in America. OK. So you can see foreign number plates on the cars, the foreign architecture of buildings surrounding. And there's more foreign accents and actors in this than typically would have been if they'd been able to film it in America. So I don't know if you... I'm guessing Covid.
Speaker: yes because it was filmed right like when it was towards the end of like that first panini um so they did i know i said the c word yes he does so
Speaker: The director, he tried to find a place in, he tried looking in Canada and New Zealand to be able to film, but of course New Zealand still hadn't opened up their borders and they couldn't film in Canada, I'm not sure why. So they ended up filming in Finland where their cover rates were lower and it was safer to film and they shot all in six weeks.
Speaker: which is quite, I think quite quick for... Yeah, yeah. I don't know enough about film timelines, but yeah. Yeah, I don't know a lot, but I know they normally take like several months, I think. Yeah. I mean, six weeks feels short. Yeah. That's like a month and a half. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was more just the lack of personality.
Speaker: from every character. Yeah, so that was kind of purposeful, I think. Yeah, I know. Because Karen Gillan. Okay, so we should we do the plot thing? Oh, yes, the plot. Yes.
Speaker: Overall, I'll do a quick plot and then we can dive into like, go through it. So overall, it's this two -meal woman, played by Karen Gillan, and she opts for a cloning procedure to ease
Speaker: her loss on her friends and her family from when she dies because she's told she's going to die. And then she suddenly makes a miraculous recovery and her attempts to have a clone decommission fails and leads to a court mandated duel to the death. That's essentially the film. Yes. So okay. The thing is you kind of need
Speaker: I'm just going to jump straight to the end for why you need Karen Gillan to be so monotone. Yes. So you can't tell them apart at the end? Yeah, because basically it's this situation where they disappear and one Karen Gillan returns and she says that she's the original but you're fairly certain. I mean you are, she is the clone. Yeah, she is the clone.
Speaker: She is 100 % the clone, but you are meant to not think it for a little bit. And that only works if Karen Gillan has been too monotone for the whole thing, that a robot is enough like her that you're like, oh, is that the real her?
Speaker: Yeah, and it's supposed to, I think at the end, leave the audience with that question. But the family, like her mother and Peter, I think his name was, played by Bueller. Bueller's an amazing actor. They know that it's the clone because the clone has different coloured eyes.
Speaker: Yeah. Because I was a fault with the cloning procedure and so they welcomed her. They actually preferred clone Sarah to real Sarah so they welcomed her but clone Sarah did not like Sarah's life and wanted to go off on her own. I mean the thing is though could it be real Sarah but they think it's the clone?
Speaker: I can slowly see him like just going away. Like could that be the twist within the twist? Oh. Because basically the film ends ends with her having a breakdown like in the middle of the roundabout. Yeah. Which is another thing that means it's not in America because you don't have roundabouts in America.
Speaker: Wait, do you not have roundabouts in America? No, they don't exist in America. I'm fairly certain, I think I saw that. Like it was a thing. Yeah. That's why they have like stop signs and intersections and everything like that. It's like a thing that like, there was like an American reacting to something and they were like, what the fuck is a roundabout? I'm like pretty certain that's a thing.
Speaker: Hey, if we have any emotional listeners. Yeah. I'm just raking my brain now for every recent shows I'm watching the other side of America. Can I recall any roundabouts? I can't. It would be weirder if you could recall. If you were like, I remember the exact roundabout that I saw in Grey's Anatomy season two, episode 13. But then it's Grey's Anatomy, it's not exactly accurate when it... Yeah.
Speaker: has like a breakdown in the middle of a roundabout because Peter's an asshole and then she has to go off to work and then she's got a phone call from her mum being like I've ordered you some more like um contacts so people won't realise you're the clone and maybe okay maybe it's the real her and part of that breakdown is like
Speaker: Damn, these people that I thought I loved were so ready to replace me. And she is stuffed. They lied in court. Yeah. Because she comes back and then she has to prove that she is the real her and the original her. And so they're in court saying like, yes, I say with, you know, full honesty that this is the real her. And it's that whole thing of like,
Speaker: Oh damn, they were that ready to just cast me aside. So maybe it's actually the real her? I don't know. I don't care. It's just like... I like to not think about it too much, otherwise it puts my head in a spin. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, the thing is, I think it is to clone her because I think a real her did die from poison. Should we do the plot? Yeah, we'll do it from the beginning. So how did you find the start of the film? The opening scene was a completely different duel. I mean, I liked it. I thought the guy was very smart. We love that dude with his strategies.
Speaker: OK, so basically the jewel starts, there's like a sheet blocking off like two sides of like a football pitch. Yeah, it's a soccer. Yeah. I think, or American football. They have rugby posts, but it's like one of their, it's not rugby. Oh, then that's American football. There we are. They have weird sports. Yeah, who knows.
Speaker: I mean, it's in Iceland, so it probably was a rugby pitch. Oh yeah, that's true. It's Finland. Finland, yeah. Yeah, so it probably was more likely a rugby pitch, but for the sake. Yeah, and then there's like a table and then it's uncovered and there's lots of different weapons and this guy is kind of staring at it for quite a while. Yeah, but you only see the one guy. Yes. At the start, you only see the one guy. Yeah, and he's kind of staring at it for quite a while and then
Speaker: There's another thing and then the sheet's taken away before he really picks anything. Yeah. But you still don't see the person on the other side. Yeah. So it still leaves the audience wondering, well, what exactly is the year against? Yes.
Speaker: if you somehow manage to go into this film without reading a synopsis or a trailer or even a poster. Yeah. Sorry, I'm so negative. I'm like, yeah, sure. Sure, Mog. I think it's pretty obvious.
Speaker: But yeah, but like, but then, okay, and you still don't see new days, just arrows coming. Yeah, he's just trying to hide from these arrows, he flips the table to create a barrier between him and these arrows being fired at him. But he's not just trying to hide.
Speaker: He's using his brain. He uses that barrier to peek around the corner to be like, okay, what has my opponent picked up? What are they using? Where are they? What can I best do from here? What's my next plan forwards? Yeah, but he's also getting rid of all the arrows. Yeah. Yeah. He like sticks his hand out.
Speaker: And then they shoot an arrow. Because there's only so many arrows provided. So I got shot. That's one arrow. Then an arrow's in the table. Then I stuck my hand out. That's three arrows. Then it's like a fourth arrow. And it's like, okay, I don't know. But he knows it. There's only one arrow left. Yeah, so he starts running.
Speaker: he has a knife so that's like a lot more hand to hand combat. Yeah and that's what you want as well as a knife when you are running into close quarters with your opposition, your best bet of winning that is with a knife. Yeah and then he like gets at the guy as he's still trying to like
Speaker: So out of his crossbow and he kills him, he stabs him apart. And it isn't until after he's stabbed him that you actually see they're the same person. Yeah. And that's what I like. I like that. Yeah. I think I... Why am I such a bitch? I just question.
Speaker: question we all must ask ourselves. I think that was good. That is a good thing. I think, no, it is good. I think I liked it when I first watched it, but now my thoughts on the whole film, I'm like, we get it. He's a clone. We get it. We know the thing. We know the plot. But like, no, it is good.
Speaker: But I do love how they've got that American thing of it being televised and it being having a live audience to witness this battle to the death. Yeah. And then they talk to the guy and they ask him if he was the original or the clone. And he was like the clone. And so the clone carries on living in this other man's life. Yeah. Now, Jesse,
Speaker: Eisenberg was originally supposed to be playing that character, but he ended up dropping out due to scheduling issues, and that is where you see Theo Janes, and for those brief few minutes at the start. He's dishy. I'll give him that. I'll give him that.
Speaker: And then we meet Karen Gillan and she's ordering a bunch of food from a takeout. Yes. In a car. And then she eats in a pot and then, yeah, and then she... You can see she's not really quite enjoying life. No, but she does have a wank. Yes, she does. And we like that in films.
Speaker: And it does get interrupted by a call from her partner. Ah, goodness. I know, Peter. We hate Peter. My friends hate Peter. Yeah. Do you hate Peter? Good, okay, good. Well, we are on the same page or some things. I think Beulah plays Peter to be someone who has the most emotion through the film, which I think is why we grow to hate him.
Speaker: because of the emotions he portrayed. I don't know if that's why we grow to hate him. I think we grow to hate him because he's a condescend and calm. Yeah, but he shows that through how he portrays and like the emotions, the facial expressions. I don't think the mum's quite emotional. I don't know if he is emotional. She's also a bit of a bitch. Yeah, I think
Speaker: Sorry, why am I being a bitch today? I'm fully like, shut up, mug. That's not true. I don't know if he is the most emotional. That's the thing, I don't know the tone of anything. I don't know if he was emotional. He was very awesish with her, which makes me think he wasn't emotional. I don't know if anyone in this film had emotions. I think
Speaker: But I think, yeah, as well with what you grow to hating him with is he, when Cesare ends up hospitalised with her condition and he doesn't even come home from his work trip to see him. He's not overly emotional or anything like that because like... No, not in that scene. And especially when he gets the phone call for her diagnosis, waits two days to tell her that, yeah, you're
Speaker: you're gonna die. And he's not really emotional about that either. But I know he just he just says that she needs therapy. He's like, yeah, damn, like, what the hell is going on with you? You need therapy. Fuck you. No, he was the one who needed therapy. Well, I think everyone. Well, yeah, everyone. It's like, yeah, she's just been diagnosed with like,
Speaker: A terminal illness. She probably does need therapy. That would take an awful lot to come to terms with. Yeah, you're not wrong. You just don't need to say it that dismissively. Yeah. Yeah. My question here is what would you do? Would you make a clone of yourself? No, I don't think I would.
Speaker: everyone you know and love is gonna be sad. That's the whole point of this clip. Yeah, that's the whole point. Everyone, and they have like these ads, these happy ads being like, your clone will be you, they will replace you so your family won't have to mourn you.
Speaker: and your friends won't have to mourn you, they will still have you to carry on. But as we later find out, these clones do develop a sense and a life for themselves that they don't want to be that person, they want to be their own person. Yeah, yeah. So you wouldn't say, I hate my family, I want you to be that person.
Speaker: Well, no, it's also the fact that with the whole cloning thing, you know, we see that they want to have a life of their own, but you're trapping them to live in your life, in your footsteps. They'll forever be in that shadow. That won't be nice. No, I mean, I think
Speaker: Also it's one of those things where death is very much a part of life. Yeah. Everything's come to an end. Obviously dying early within the average lifespan is a terrible thing. But I'd much rather my loved ones come to terms with that fact. Yeah. And heal than like
Speaker: having a fake me, kind of keeping that wound open. Because the thing is, everyone's supposed to know that they're a clone. Yeah. You're not meant to be like, I never die. They're meant to know that they're a clone. So it definitely isn't like, sparing them from the pain. No, because they know you're dead. It's dead, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it is.
Speaker: Also, it costs a lot of money. Yeah, and even when Sarah wants to terminate her clone, she still has to pay for having the clone done, even if she survives the deal. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'd rather put that money aside and say, that's a therapy. Yeah, that's a therapy fund. Yeah.
Speaker: That's the therapy fund. If you're sad, dip into the therapy fund. I'm saying this like therapy's a magic button. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, so she gets interrupted by her partner, so we meet her partner, and then they're very short scenes at the start. They're short, they're concise. So it goes from that to meeting her mother. But is that where we meet her mother?
Speaker: No, we don't meet her mother until a lot later. Because she's dreaming in that sequence, I think. Yes. So she's not having a good time with her mother there? Because she's eating the food and then her mom's like, are you eating? Just keep your mouth busy so you're not talking to me. And she doesn't respond and she just keeps eating.
Speaker: And then all of a sudden they're coins in front of her and she's just eating these coins. Well, because the mum's like, I found your coin flexion. Why did you stop this? Why do you never finish anything that you start? So it's all very, very like dream logic of like, these are all of your insecurities. And then she's like eating the coins so that she doesn't have to talk to her mum.
Speaker: And her mums were like, stop that, stop doing that. And then she's throwing up the coins. Yeah. And then she wakes up in her bed to her finding out that she's throwing up like a bunch of blood. Yeah.
Speaker: And she's very blase about it, so you kind of, I guess, get the idea that this maybe isn't the first time. No, because she, it's as if she snaps into like an automatic routine. She automatically, she doesn't panic about this. It does give the impression that this isn't the first time she's woken up to blood -soaked pillows from her own vomit. Yeah, and then she's at the doctor's and
Speaker: Yeah, she gets asked, is this an emergency? She goes, no. And then all of a sudden throws up all this blood again. And the receptionist is like, I thought you said this was an emergency. Yeah, yeah. So again, it's happening of like... She's downplaying her own self. Yeah, yeah. And then, um...
Speaker: she is at the doctor's they say oh well it's you're probably fine but you gotta not drink and you gotta eat healthier and then it cuts to her drinking a lot of booze yeah scotch whiskey yes so she goes speaks to the doctor that like we need to run some tests don't drink anything and she goes home and just drinks a shit ton of whiskey
Speaker: And then she's like, oh, she's feeling stupid. That's when she also rings Peter and that's when he says that he's not coming home from work, he's staying there and that she'll be fine on her own. Yeah, and he's also kind of like,
Speaker: I can't remember what it was in the film, but it sounded like, oh, he's got a colleague who he keeps talking about. Yeah, and it seems that he kind of wants to stay for the colleague. Okay, so he's got a colleague who he keeps talking about, and do we know that she's a girl? It kind of seems... It's quite vague. Yes.
Speaker: And it doesn't, the film doesn't directly say he's having a fire. But you kind of get these hints every now and then. Like the fact that he's like, oh, actually, I've decided I'm not coming home and keep talking. And then it's like, oh, yeah, no, he's just very like, not full gas lady, but it's very like... On the verge. Oh, no, I told you about this. Yeah. And she's like, I don't really remember. And he's like, no, no, no, I told you.
Speaker: And it's like, we don't know if he did and she did forget. But it is also kind of textbook Gaslight 101 of like, you know, you have to forgetful. But also, going back to the fact that we don't know if he's having an affair, we don't know if, but I mean, the point that she's watching at the start is lesbian. Yes.
Speaker: Yes. So what is their relationship dynamic anyway? I know of a lot of straight women who watch lesbian porn because it connects, it has women.
Speaker: who are having fun. See my, I don't really know straight women, so. They don't talk to straight women. The first thing you're gonna know about me, if I see a straight woman, I walk the other way. Yeah. No, no, no. I just know that there are, I probably made it sound like, look, I know so many straight women, every single one of them, but it's like,
Speaker: most porn is very focused on male pleasure and lesbian porn has women having a good time. Yeah, it's more focused on the women's feelings and stuff. I think if we judge the sexuality
Speaker: of someone based on one porn video. But I was going to lead on from that because I think it says that this colleague is, I think he refers to the colleague as a he later on in the film when he talks about the colleague again. So that's where I was going because it sounds like he's having an affair with a male colleague. Oh, everyone's gay. Yeah.
Speaker: There I go again, thinking the world is straight. You are wrong. Every single one is gay. Hey, maybe everyone's bi. Maybe both is correct. Oh, wait. I lied to you. I know one straight woman. Ah. Is it me? But I don't know what she wants. This is completely off topic, and mine get edited out.
Speaker: But I did have a friend round in my room the other day because she was dyeing my hair. And she said, you have the most bisexual room I've ever seen. And to think, I questioned it for so long. Yeah. Your room is evidence enough. Should have just looked at my room. I would have known. But yes.
Speaker: So then he says that he's staying behind at work, a little bit of time goes by and then the next time that she's
Speaker: video calling him. Yeah, she's been back from the gym. Yeah, she's excited because she didn't feel ill at all throughout that gym thing. She had the energy to do it. She could do a full gym workout. She's feeling very positive about herself and her, the way she was standing as well, she was standing with an open posture. Yeah, yeah. And she's like in her underwear. Yeah. And you can tell. She's been like, Hey, look at me. I'm feeling good. I'm looking good.
Speaker: Yeah, and I definitely read that as kind of like, she feels like he might be having an affair. Yeah. And so like, she's like, hey, look at my body. Yeah. Maybe we could... Because you do get the idea that like, they're long distance, like she's... Because he's away for work. Yeah, like she's having a wank. And then after that, like that's when he interrupts her doing that.
Speaker: The way he kind of says, oh, are you going to bed already kind of makes it sound like he kind of wants to have some over the internet dalliances. And she's like, no, I'm heading to bed. And the fact that they showed that she was having her own personal dalliance before being like, I'm going to bed.
Speaker: is like, it's not that she's not feeling up for it. But it's him. Yeah. That's the issue. He's given the ick. Yeah, yeah. And then there's like another time where I think it's that same kind of like, oh, are you going to bed already? And then here she's like in her underwear. They're both trying to
Speaker: connect with each other, but also not at all connect with each other. At the same time as on, the same wavelength, there's just like this block in between. They can't just seem to get the timing right. Well, I mean, not to be a couples therapist, but I think the block is because... They're both gay. Well... I was gonna say I think the block is because they're both looking at what they want the person to be.
Speaker: Yeah. Because they're both gay. But it's that thing of like, oh, I'm feeling this now and I'm viewing you as this kind of picture of what I want. But in that moment, that other person's not feeling that picture of what that person wants. Well, I think that person isn't that person. They both have a fictional view of each other.
Speaker: Which I think that's been heightened by the distance between them. I think what it definitely does seem to be is a relationship where you've been together a very long time and you're not really feeling the feelings anymore but you were at the beginning so like maybe maybe I just need to stick with it. Yeah just trying to keep it alive the sake of how long they've been together. I obviously like them at some point
Speaker: Yeah. So I probably still do kind of thing that's definitely the vibe you get from this relationship. So she's still standing in... She's still standing in her underwear. Yeah. And he's... He's hesitant. Yeah, because he's like, you put my number down. My number was there instead of yours. Yeah.
Speaker: As a contact. Yeah, the contact. So... And he wasn't happy about that. Yeah. It's very much like, why you gotta make me do this? And also he just kind of tells her, like... Yeah, he doesn't like, hey, maybe you should sit down or... Yeah. Are you like in a... Do you want me to call your mum? Are you feeling okay right now? Do you need someone with you right now?
Speaker: He just automatically, and very bluntly says - I'm getting the flight home tomorrow. Like, you know, cause he stays. He stays out there. Yeah, he doesn't care about flight home until the clone comes. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, she has like a stomach issue and it's like 99 .9 % terminal or something. Yeah, and it's 90, they find out it's 98,
Speaker: Yes. So you told it's 100 % you will die, but we've got to say 98 % because it's a 2 % margin of error. Yes. And she's like, well, maybe I'm in the margin for error. And the doctor's like, no, you are going to die. And I'm like, fuck that doctor. This is the thing. It's not just like, oh, well, there are some like
Speaker: The doctors say, oh hey, don't say, can you keep it between us that I made the mistake of calling your partner instead of you to give her the news? And it's like, I've just got to say that there's a 2 % margin for error with this in case she's too. The thing is, the reason why I don't think her monotonous is effective, and like, the reason why there are so many things in this film that I feel aren't effective,
Speaker: and just lead to Yuck is it's kind of everyone. It's not like, oh, she's monotone, which provides something for like her. It's just like every single character in this film is a fuckhead with weird tones.
Speaker: But that, I think, goes back to Riley Stins, the director and the writer and the producer of it all. His tone itself, him himself, is a rather monotonous tone. He is rather flat. So you see his voice in the film. I guess.
Speaker: I guess, I just kind of think it's like even, yeah, that's the thing. Cause when everything's monotonous, it's just like, I'm not connecting. You're actively blocking me out of the film. And I think that's maybe what, cause it's that thing of like - It's a cold film. When it's like the film doesn't want me to watch it. And so I'm like, okay, fuck you, I won't. I mean, I have to before the podcast, but like,
Speaker: you don't want me to watch this and enjoy it. Well done. I'm not. Like it just, it just felt like a very offish film. Like it, the film, the hallway film was essentially just saying, fuck you. And I was like, okay, cool. Fuck you too. Um, but yeah, that, I mean, that's, that's the vibe I got.
Speaker: And the doctor definitely didn't help with that because she was just kind of like, you're gonna die. Yeah, she doesn't even like try and comfort her and she doesn't like, do you need any water? Do you need any tissues? Are you okay? You know, she's just like, yeah, you're dead. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: And then she tells her about the cloning process, and then Sarah goes to the cloning process and gets a clone. Oh, but can we go back a second? Yeah.
Speaker: on the phone call with Peter, where she's in her underwear, and he's just told her that she's gonna die and soon. Her body, D 'Amina, which is why I mentioned it earlier, it changes as she goes, she covers herself up. She tries to hide away by blocking, creating this block between her and him with her arms. She closes herself off. Because D 'Amina's just told her very,
Speaker: life -changing news in her, like the fact that she's alone. And you get that sudden switch as well between her actually feeling good for the first time in ages to her getting this news. Yeah and yeah, like I said she's very naked, like she's very, yeah, like vulnerable in all senses of the world, like physically and emotionally and mentally, yeah. So she gets this clone. Yeah.
Speaker: The clone is supposed to be like at a stage where it's like learning all the things about her. And it's like a sponge. But from the get go, the clone is a bitch. Like everyone in the film. And it takes, she goes in for the chrome sieger. She gets her, she just, yeah, it's like a mouth swab. She spits in her vial and then an hour later,
Speaker: Hey presto, you've got a fully grown clone. Yeah. Who can already speak. And already has like this basic knowledge of the world, essentially, somehow. And as soon as the clone arrives, the doctor appears and says that there was an error in the procedure. The eyes are different.
Speaker: And he's like, well, you can turn it and start again, or you can just keep. She just decides to keep, but she automatically sees in her, in this clone of hers, what she wants to see herself. So she sees that this clone looks skinnier, has nicer hair, even though they're supposed to be identical. The clone has green eyes and she says green is much more uncommon. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, it's kind of like the idealized version of herself. Yeah. Yeah. This crone is what she wants to be. And she was like, yeah, so she's all like, I like these foods. And the clones like, okay, then I suppose I like these foods too. Yeah. But then also is like,
Speaker: Yeah, she goes out with Peter and then is like, yeah, she's like, I don't like French foods and goes out, the clone decides to go with Peter and be like, should we go for French food?
Speaker: like she's pushing the boundaries. No, no, he says let's get French food and she says that's my favourite. Yeah, that's it. And she's automatically just pushing these boundaries, pushing who she, making sure that it's known from the get go, I may be a clone of you, but we are not the same. Yeah, but I
Speaker: The thing is, I think she's already her in person straight. She's very much like... We just look the same. Yeah. And everyone else is too, straight from the get go. Peter's like, oh, we're not dating. I'm dating her. Yeah. Because they're having a conversation and he's just looking at the clone and Sarah's like, hi, I'm over here. And he's like, oh, I'm going to take
Speaker: of the Sarah cause I think she's called other Sarah and we're going to take other Sarah out on a date and it's like, she's not even, she's not even dead yet. Yeah. And he turns, yeah, they go out on a date and he doesn't realise that she's still in the room when they're discussing this and then she, he turns to and says, Oh, I forgot you were still here. Yeah. Yeah. And other Sarah has got in touch with her mum.
Speaker: She goes round to her mum's house and other Sarah's there and she's like, what the hell Peter, you introduced her to your mum? And Peter's like, no, she's been in contact with your mum for a while now. And other Sarah's like, you never picked up a phone to her, so I called her. Because Sarah's been black enough. Immediately trying to unsuit herself. Immediately pushing Sarah out. And with clothes as well.
Speaker: Um, when they get back from the clone in place to Sarah's apartment or house and tries on Sarah's clothes, the other Sarah is like, Oh, these clothes aren't for me. And it's just, she's automatically asserting that. She's her own person. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: And it's, yeah, and when other Sarah and Sarah and Peter and the mum are in the same room, the mum's looking at other Sarah like, what's going on? Like, she's Sarah. Yeah. Because that is the Sarah that has the better looks in air quotes.
Speaker: And a better relationship with her, like she's a mum. This is the story that is written in her calls. Yeah, is treating the mother better. So she's always like, well then she's my daughter. Yeah, yeah. So then she's like, at that place with the mum, she's like, okay, fuck you. And that's where Peter breaks up with her and is like,
Speaker: I'm gonna date other Sarah. Yeah. And the mum also essentially breaks up with her two and is like, this is my daughter. Yeah, because she's the more ideal tie. She's a more ideal daughter. And so they automatically rally for her. And so Sarah's like, I'm gonna get a decommissioned fuck you, essentially. But that's...
Speaker: I think that happens. So they kind of like go their own ways. Sarah is still, original Sarah's still ill. She's still dying. She's still getting worse. She's not working. She's drinking a lot. And then 10 months later. Oh, and they kick her out with a flat and they're being absolute worst about that. And he will like - Oh, that's not, I was going to say something else before then. Oh, but he, no, I swear that's because she,
Speaker: leaves the apartment before the 10 months because she's in that flat, the new flat for the 10 months. I'm... so there's two time skips. Okay. I think you might be on about the second one. I don't think so because it's when she breaks up with Peter. Oh. She definitely moves out earlier because she isn't... I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker: I know. Where I was going anyway, was that 10 months later, Sarah is informed by a doctor that she's in remission, she's recovering. And it's then that she goes to share the good news with her mother first, and then theatre, and then goes to decommission the clone. But because it's been too long, they can't. And then Peter's like, well,
Speaker: This is my Sarah now. You've brought her into this. Well, she should have your apartment. You go. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's like, um, you can take the mattress because we hate the bloodstain on it. Yeah. So Sarah has got nothing. She's literally kicked out of the race by...
Speaker: even though she's recovering her mother, and she's excited about that, and she goes straight to her mother to say the good news, and her mother's like, oh no, I don't care, I prefer this Sarah. Yeah, yeah. And... No, because that is the same scene. Yeah, that's the scene where they prefer, yeah. Yeah. That's when it happens. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Because she goes to her mum and her mum's like, what is this? And she's like, I got a clone because I was dying. And she didn't even tell her mum that she was dying. Yeah. And her mum's like, what? And she's like, well, I'm not anymore. But yes. And that's where she finds out like the clone has been in contact this whole time. And she can't do decommission for clone.
Speaker: And then she gets... There's a choice. She can... if it's between a certain amount of months, you can automatically decommission the clone. But if it's after a certain amount of months, the clone has to make the decision if they are to be decommissioned or not. And the clone then chooses, no, I want to live.
Speaker: And so then Sarah is told that the devil has a quest to stay alive, meaning by the law that's in place in this world, they will have to participate in a publicised duel. Yeah. And they both have a set timeframe where they have to prepare for this duel. Yeah. Yeah. And she gets fight classes. Yes.
Speaker: Yeah, self -defense and combat classes by a guy named Trent, who is from Breaking Bad. It's science, bitch. Yeah, he's the... Jesse? Jesse, that's the name, Jesse. Yeah. Jesse Eisenberg? No, Jesse Eisenberg's the actor. That's the actor. Yeah, Jesse Pinkins? Yeah, Pinkman? Pinkman. I've never seen it. What's with Jesse Pinkman? I think it's Jesse Pinkman.
Speaker: I don't know, I've never seen it. All I know is the science pitch scene. Yeah, I've only seen the first, what's it called, series of it? Season, yeah. Yeah, so she is getting fight lessons with him, he gives her... Yeah, it's for the next year. Yeah, it takes place. So you have a year to do the training and then the duel? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: He gives her a horror movie to watch so that she can get used to seeing gore. Yeah, so she builds up her tolerance to violence. And he shows these pictures of dead people and she has to try and guess how they died. And the cause of death that she was most disgusted and put off by was poison.
Speaker: That's the one that she couldn't figure out. Yeah, she couldn't figure out that initially and that was the one she was like I'm never going to use that. Well he kind of says don't use poison. Yeah this one is not the but it's also the one she didn't want to use anyway. Oh yeah because she's like well if I'm going to kill her I want to kill her. Yeah. It's the least kind of like active. Yeah. I also kind of think it's
Speaker: That picture was very obvious. Yeah, I did too. Because the person's like foamed at the mouth. Yeah, it's like well what else cause it isn't foaming. And here we see Chekhov's poison. Yeah. Ah, poison you say. Hmm, we'll put that in our back pocket.
Speaker: I found it quite ironic in how, that is how she dies, is by Poison. I found it overly broadcasted. I didn't find it ironic. It was like, Poison? Ooh, let's have a long conversation about Poison. I'm like, yeah, I guess Poison's gonna make a occurrence. Yeah, they kind of made it obvious, but I still liked it.
Speaker: Yeah, you're, you're again. In the way that, yeah. I'm not trying to convince you. In the way that they portrayed it in trying to make it more human at the time of when she was poisoned. Yes. Yeah. And it gets to a point because she's not earning money and she's having to pay for these fight classes. She runs out and can't pay as much. So she teaches, she pop dance. Yes.
Speaker: He's like, you know there are other ways. Yeah, he's like, there are other ways you can pay me. And then it leaves that as a, hmm, what exactly do you mean by that? Yeah, yeah. There's a guy saying that you kind of jumped the obvious. Yeah. Your body. But really, he just... He just wanted hip -hop lessons. And he never had the courage to take himself. No, he was too shy to actually go to a class himself. So he decided to get the lessons from here. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah and then it's like raining and so they can't have a fight and so it gets like rescheduled for like another month and it's like really annoying because she's just got all of her money on like this outfit to dye in. Yeah she's like if I'm gonna dye it I'm gonna look good. Yeah but then she sees the clone
Speaker: watching her. Yeah from she's with Trent during session she looks through the window and I think she's teaching her to use a bow and arrow. Yeah and then she shoots the bow and arrow at the clone. She's illegal because it's not the jewel yet. And she kills a dog. Yeah and then she just runs after the clone in through these forests where she sees two twins and they're not twins. They're a clone. No they're twins.
Speaker: No, but isn't the girl saying like, I got in a terrible thing and I had like, and then my, I don't know, I thought it made it sound like the girl got cloned. Oh. I thought they were actually clones, but anyway, either way. When that was being said, an announcement might have come over the headphones. Maybe. And they're playing, because that did happen a few times. And I didn't get that far in my rewatch. Yeah, the kids basically like,
Speaker: Mum said something happened to me and I had to do it and then my sister or something I can't even remember. But yeah, then the twins. The mother sees these two and immediately I think realises that they are, when there's a clone, something's going on. She snatches the children out and it's like, we need to go. Because there's like a moment where Karen Gillan looks at her like, oh, you don't realise that you're a clone.
Speaker: And I kind of felt like the mum was snatching her away in a kind of like... To protect from this. Yeah, don't spoil. We haven't told her yet. But anyway, she's talking to the clone. The clones are like, I hate your life. I find Peter very annoying and your mum is so cloying. She's like, I just want to live my own life. Yes. And then she takes her to a... Support group. Yeah.
Speaker: And I was like, well, I want us both to live. Can we find a way to make this work? Yes, they do see this from my perspective. You have to write a letter to your clone. And the film does a very, very sneaky thing where it cuts just before clone other Sarah says her letter. And it cuts to Sarah going, wow, that was the most eloquent letter I've ever heard.
Speaker: And it's like, well done, film. Well done. It's like you said it was eloquent, but you didn't give us. We didn't hear that. I think it's to keep you wanting to root for both of them. Whereas if he heard that speech, maybe it would have made you root for the clone more. I think it's because it makes, it's like that whole thing of when you say something so terrifying.
Speaker: you can imagine it as terrifying as you can get it to be. Whereas if you show something, it will only ever be as terrifying as what you show. Yeah. And that's true. With the eloquent thing. I mean, this is me being negative. This is me being down on the film. But I just think it's because it's the most monotone film ever. It's not going to make me feel anything with a letter by a clone. But if you cut to it and you say, wow,
Speaker: That was so eloquent. It's like, hey, maybe it was, I don't know. Yeah. Again, I'm sorry, I'm so down on it. Danny, it means you're wondering what they actually said. Well, she kind of says, she's like, and the way you said this and the way you said this, it's like, yeah, but you just couldn't write it.
Speaker: But again, sorry, I'm very down on this film. Yes, they basically decided they're going to run away together so that they can both be alive. Yeah. And... Yeah, they decided to leave the country, go across the border. Yes. And they're standing there, checking their checklist of all the things that they need to take. They're like, okay, we've both got our backpacks, we've got water.
Speaker: But the clone is the one who brought water for both of them. They all bring their own stuff apart from the water and the clone says, I have water, shouldn't we drink some before we go? And that's how the poison is ingested. And they drink some water and then the clone says, are you sure you don't want a little more water? And it's like... It's making it obvious. Can you get that stupid? It's just a way that she's like... Pushing.
Speaker: And she doesn't drink any. No. And it's like, dude, read the fucking room. I don't know, ma 'am. Again, like Chekov's poisoned the way it was so broadcast at the beginning. And then the way this clone is like, are you sure you don't want more water? I'm like, yeah, yeah, she's poisoned.
Speaker: And then they're walking along and then she's coming. Yeah, they go into the woods then from the car to hike through this forest. And it's then that Sarah realises she's been poisoned. Yeah. And then... And this is right before... It's on the day of the duel. Yeah, right before it's set to happen.
Speaker: And so then she's all like, oh, we're both going to be no shows. I've never heard of a thing where we're both no shows. I wonder what will happen in all of this. But then A Sarah dies and when it turns up to the field. A Sarah emerges wearing the clothes of the original Sarah. Yeah. And she says that she's the original Sarah. And we don't ever see the original Sarah die.
Speaker: Yeah, and she said that the, in, I'm saying this in agriculture, she said that the clone has fled. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, and then there's the scene with the lawyers. Yeah, and the courts say she's the original. That she is the original. And then there's the scene where we hate Peter, we hate Peter so much. He's like, so
Speaker: Basically, you're gonna age and you're gonna put on weight and as a woman, that's bad. That's vaguely paraphrasing, but honestly, it's quite word for word. Yeah. And that's something that we've seen previously in, like when we're talking about death becomes it, that's one of the themes then was looks.
Speaker: Yeah. And then, and then there's the bit where she's driving and the mum saying about the contact lenses and then Sarah's just crying. She realizes she's trapped. In the car or if you're in the middle of this roundabout and that's where the film ends. When I was trying to find this film, like the thing that kept coming up was ending explained.
Speaker: You know, all the end of the explained videos. But I'm like, so, so when I, when I was, you know, when you're like, you see these things and you're trying to not get it in your brain and it's like, but I was thinking, oh, there's going to be twists. You know what I mean? If there are this many end and explained videos. But I think it's, that was, those, those videos were because the ending was kind of vague.
Speaker: yeah and they just needed someone to explain because you're like what the fuck's going on here because it's like and not on a good like oh twist yeah it's like oh it's the double yeah it's the double because because like if she hadn't have been poisoned it would be more kind of i wonder which one yeah
Speaker: But it's the fact that we see her drink so much water. And I think a little bit of blood does come out of her mouth. Yeah, which I did. Yeah, blood does drip or drool from the side of her mouth, which I do like because it kind of brings it back to her illness. To begin in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think the film should have stopped when they like, either at the field
Speaker: or in the forest where one of them kills the other one and it leaves you actually not knowing. Instead of having this court thing where it's like, well, you're the original Sarah Beam, no, she's the clone. I think it would have been better if it was that like from the court onwards was cut. I think I like the
Speaker: I like the scene where she's at the roundabout. Yeah, that was a good, that does portray how she's just as trapped and stuck in the situation. I just think if it hadn't have been the poison, because I think on the other way, you could have a bit where everyone in her family is acting like she's the clone. Don't worry, I'll get more cotton tack lenses, but you can still have that thing of
Speaker: But it is the real her. And yeah, like I said at the beginning, she's so upset that the people in her life were that quick to cast her aside. So I think it works in both ways then. The cause of death is the issue. The poison is just like, oh, one night we saw a hundred water. But we had to have poison because we had Chekov's poison earlier in the film.
Speaker: And it was so talked about earlier on. They made a point of that being brought up. Yeah. I liked how they were killed. And they went off together as if they were going to find a way to live as both Sarah's. But yes, that poisoning and the fact it was so obvious
Speaker: I just... that bit I just don't like. No. No, it just doesn't... Yeah. So why do you like this film? Why am I wrong in my thoughts and feelings? Well, I think you're not entirely wrong. Thank you. I... like...
Speaker: This film, I think mainly because I do like the actors, Karen Gillan and Bueller Co - I can't remember his last name, but Bueller.
Speaker: He was in NCS Hawaii. Or was it Hawaii? No, he was in Hawaii Five -O. And that was like a show I loved. So I go to love his character. And then Amy Pond, obviously with Doctor Who, and some of the other things she's been in. You just, you love these actors. And I think that's the only part why I like this film is because I like the actors. But I - Instead of, I do like the psychological aspect that it did make me
Speaker: have a pause and think, oh, what would I do? What is this? I think it's such a good premise. Yeah, it's a good concept. I almost was even more annoyed by the letdown of it. Yeah, I think it's that ending, that letdown at the end with a poison that lets it down more for me, I think. And that it's, yeah, for me. For me, I was let down from a get -go.
Speaker: I like the scene at the beginning. Yeah, because that has character. He is using his brain. And then even like, because that's the thing, the subtle acting, like the way that his look when he's killing his clone, his original, as we find out later, is like
Speaker: It's pure, it's primal, but there is like, I don't know. It's like, it's not quite joy, but it's not just rage. It's like satisfaction. And then, and then he's like standing there and he's talking about how he's the original. And then basically, about how he's the clone, he gets, because there's now only one, I can't remember the name of this guy. Let's just say Craig, like, oh, I'm, I'm other Craig.
Speaker: I don't think we do find out his name. Oh, we do, but I can't remember. So I'm just saying Craig. The woman's like, Oh, okay. Well, from now on, you're not other Craig, you're just Craig. Yeah. And the way he stands down and it's got this zoom in, his eyes are welling up. And it's this brilliant
Speaker: bit of acting. I don't know, maybe I'm giving it too much credit. No, it's because that's the main only bit of emotion. The only acting in the film. But it's like, the way his eyes well up, and he's kind of smiling, but also kind of not. And it's this whole thing of like, he's got this identity, but he's also just, you know, had to kill his own face. Yeah. And it's like, what a mix of emotions that is.
Speaker: I think if they kept that throughout, that tone at that start throughout as well and not made it so flat. Because that had that kind of Hunger Games -esque show. Definitely. Especially with it being live filmed with an audience and the fact that this is for
Speaker: And he was in Divergent and we love those teen films. Did you read the books? No, I didn't. I didn't read the books of Divergent and I didn't watch the films. I think I watched one of the Divergent films and I was never allowed to watch the sequel because I was taking the piss out of it too much. My friends were like, if you don't want to watch it, then don't. I'm like, look, as established,
Speaker: I can be a bitch when it comes to fit. We know. No, the book's definitely better. But yeah, it does give those... It's got that energy. I think if it kept that energy and it changed the poisoning at the end. Yeah. Yeah. Because the concept, the premise for it is good. It's a really good premise. It is a really good premise. It's a good idea.
Speaker: I'm just thinking back to the last episode where it ends with me being like, oh, I haven't seen it. I'm so excited. And I'm like, hey, kid, don't get too excited. I'll try and pick one that you mean. No, Morg, this is our dynamic now. Yeah. I have to pick.
Speaker: crowd -pleasing classics and you pick films with iffy vibes yeah but it's like this is one that it's not which i quite like because it's not necessarily one that i'd recommend which is kind of like i like how we're covering this oh i definitely think it it it
Speaker: it's very cool to have like this wide range of horror movies because like the thing with film is not every film is too liking and that's 100 % fine. Like at the end of the day, this is a film that I watched. I didn't have to love it. I mean, I think I only first watched it for the sake of not just the actors, but because it was the horror section on the film was very limited.
Speaker: yeah yeah so it was like well if you want to watch something this is this is it essentially no definitely i think yeah there were moments that i did find good i just think overall no yeah from me there are it could have done so well it had the potential
Speaker: All I will say is it had a premise. Yeah. That's all I can say, but yeah, that's me. No, I do kind of agree with you there. Yeah. I think after five, I would give it like a two. Or a one and a half maybe, two. You can give it higher if you want. I was gonna say like, I'd give it a one, but I actively dislike the film and you seem to have at one point liked it.
Speaker: I think in my stateless delirium I liked it. Nice. Yeah. That's the thing. All I found when I was trying to find it to watch it was ending Explained and a couple of... So it gives you that height that you didn't actually get. ...a couple of two star reviews being like, no, I found a five star review.
Speaker: that was like, guys, it's meant to be monotone. And that was like the only thing that I could see at the start, because obviously what I was trying not to look. But I just saw like, guys, it's meant to be monotone and five stars. And I was like, okay, maybe I'm in for a good time. Yeah, but there's monotone and then there's flat.
Speaker: Yeah, because the thing is, it wasn't even monotone. It was actively, like the nurse I would not describe as monotone at all. She was peppy. She was just a bitch. Yeah. She wasn't monotone. She was like, you're 100 % gonna die. Well, 98, but we only say that 2 % because of our error. Yeah. That's not monotone. No. I think, I don't know.
Speaker: if they had different ranges in like the emotion shown so trying to keep it at this straight line if they went up and down and turned around with it then it could have because it's that thing of like yeah like I said we need Karen Gillan to be monotone so that we can't tell the difference between the sirens yeah but
Speaker: at the same time, it's such a bad twist that it's like, well, is it worth it? And also, it's not like she's noticeably monotone because like Peter is too. So it's not like everyone's peppy and everyone has so much spirit apart from her. It's like, well, everyone's weird. Yeah, they were all
Speaker: on one level. Yeah. I don't know. I wasn't... Yeah, as I said. As I feel like I've made abundance clear. I don't mean to say wily, I think about this film anymore because this whole episode is me going nah. Yeah. But I did, I know I did enjoy like the sequence between Trent and Sarah, you know their fight sequence.
Speaker: Yes. I did enjoy things like that. And like the hip -hop classes. Yes. I think he was an interesting character. Yeah. He was probably the best bit of the film. I agree. All of his scenes as well, the person who played Trent, were filmed in a week.
Speaker: Yeah, I could believe that. He was flown into Finland the next day, started filming a week later, flew back to America. And the main fight sequence between Trent and Sahara took I think it was half a day to film. Okay. Yeah, I do also like in one of the training things as well. He made
Speaker: Sarah look at her reflection was holding a knife as if to make a ped you're gonna have to kill someone that looks like you yeah yeah that was good yeah and Riley Stern there is uh he did make a cameo in the film okay the director and the writer because there was
Speaker: There's a scene with a gas station, and he's the tailor at the gas station, but he wasn't originally supposed to be there when the cast members phoned in sick, who was supposed to be that person. And so as Karen just looks up, she's not told that he's there, that there's been a change of actors. So she just looks up and sees the writer and they just keep going. Nice, nice.
Speaker: Yeah, I think with the themes, because we talked about the themes last week, so I just wanna, I like themes. Yep, we love. I haven't done a whole thematic analysis this week like I did last week, but you've got that fear of death, the fear of being forgotten, and you've got that image of the good and the bad in yourself,
Speaker: and that fight, that inner turmoil fight portrayed between you and your clone. Yeah, yeah. Because this is just something that I realised I didn't say earlier. Another thing that annoyed me about this film. Another thing. I know. This whole film is this build up between this duel between Sarah and Sarah.
Speaker: Yeah, there's a build of the duel. And then we never have the duel. No. And it's like, ooh, subvert your expectations, but also it's like, cool? Like, because it's like, okay, because they're trying to find a way for them both to survive, except not, but like, that's the idea. But there was so much pressure on the duel. It's like, yeah, like that was,
Speaker: That's what the thing is building up to. And I did want to see her... her outfit. Yeah, because it was a very good outfit. Well, we don't know because she never... yeah. She could have done the duel anyway and left it where we don't know. Yeah. And carried on with it. It just felt like yet another fuck you.
Speaker: Yeah. This whole film like starts with this random duel and you have no idea of these characters. And then it's like this thing of like, we're leading up to this duel and we know what one looks like. So, oh my gosh, isn't it going to be so much, you know, like. Yeah. And like what happens? I'm looking at them interacting, being like, I wonder which one I'm going to root for. Because, you know, when she first had
Speaker: When she first, when the clone first started being iffy, it's like, well, yeah, can't wait to see her kill this clone. And then it's like, well, actually, no, this clone has a point, but she has been avoiding her mum. And maybe this clone does deserve her life.
Speaker: And then, and then you're kind of like, Oh, you're stripped of that. And the whole film, I was wondering which clone I was with which Sarah I was going to be rooting for. And then they just don't. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. It's just such a fucky film. I think it's especially because it started on such a high and it ends on a low.
Speaker: Yeah. I just, I just realised that as well. I remember writing it in my notes and I just remembered that and I'm like, yeah, fuck this film. The fact that it literally is like building for a moment, but never happens. And it's not like a good anti -climax type thing. It's just like, nope. Yeah.
Speaker: It's like, you know, in Jurassic Park, you know, the guy who steals the DNA and then he sets up that bug that's like him being like, ah, ah, ah, ah. Yeah. It's like a 90s, 90s gif. Like that's what this film felt like. That gif.
Speaker: Yeah, just like, no. He has chosen the film Freaks. Freaks 1932. Yes. Go in back a few years. Let's talk Freaks. Yes.
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