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Season 3 Finale- What Have We Got to Lose? (Premiership Final)
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In the 33rd and final episode of Season 3 of TFRY, we pack a whole bunch of goodies in for you all. We talk about player movement, mostly leaving New Zealand. We chat about the Lions injuries and replacements, what do we have here? Though we did space on Murray being the new captain, oops. We get into Olympic 7s pools, replacing AJ MacGinty on the Eagles, our beloved Free Jacks new home and so much more. We unpack the Premiership Final, that Joe Marler interview, the issues with officiating that are far worse than other league that MLR faces, the winner of the inaugural Champi-Yanks League and oh my look at all the fun. Crack a couple, kick back and have one last laugh with us.
Don't forget, we are putting together a 2nd Tier of Champi-Yanks League! You've heard us babble about it and if it sounds like fun to you, please hit us up via email or twitter.
Also, ask us questions via Twitter: Jarrod- jdyke8man & Ben- admrablsnackbar. Send us your thoughts for the show and questions for upcoming shows via e-mail fantasyrugbypodcast@gmail.com. Of course we welcome feedback via e-mail, twitter or by rating/reviewing the pod on Apple Podcast.
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Transcript
Introduction and Host Welcome
00:00:08
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It is the Phaisterobianx. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser.
Lions Tour and Rugby Preview
00:00:13
Speaker
Last one. For a few weeks. Yeah, we'll do something pre-test matches for the Lions, but I ain't doing one after every one of them. So that's not happening. But yeah, it should be good.
00:00:30
Speaker
So anyway, uh, last one rolling in here. Um, despite the, the few rugby action that was the little rugby action that was on the screen, there was plenty of stuff to talk about otherwise. So we got plenty to roll through here and fill up your ears with.
Podcast Engagement and Feedback
00:00:48
Speaker
But first of all, strengths.
00:00:58
Speaker
Download rate review on your favorite podcast apps. Tell your friends before we start next season. So we can get more people to just indulge in the shenanigans that we like to do ourselves over here. And reach out to us. If you're, if there's a reason why you wouldn't recommend us to your friends, let us know and then we can fix it so that you will recommend us to your friends. I would actually like to know that.
00:01:26
Speaker
by our friend, the fancy where we get coffee if you haven't yet, he's worth it and he'll continue to be worth it. So go ahead and pick yourself up
TRM Upgrades and Future Planning
00:01:35
Speaker
a coffee for our friend, George, or beer, however you want to describe it, as we said.
00:01:42
Speaker
Um, too late on TRM upgrades this season, but make sure you get next, get them next season. You're going to want them. Trust me if you, especially now there's going to be by weeks for the prem. So right. That's going to actually throw a few things off. So throw a lot off. It's going to be a lot of, uh, strategization going on.
00:02:01
Speaker
Yeah. You're going to need to remember, all right, this person's on by and I need to make sure I have somebody that's going to be a viable replacement for them. Like you can't just, as most of us probably did just sit there and Marker Smith all day long. Like it doesn't, it's not going to work. You need, you need a replacement. So yeah, I don't think I took him out. Like apart from the game you missed the thing. Yeah.
00:02:24
Speaker
Yeah. Once I got him, he never left my lamp. I was like, Nope, never again.
Social Issues in Sports
00:02:28
Speaker
Never ever, uh, uh, black lives matter as always on this podcast. There is no room for racism. And we, yeah, we saw the sentencing of George Floyd's killer and it was not, that was not justice done. Unfortunately. Well, it's, but yeah, unfortunately, but,
00:02:53
Speaker
Yeah, that was basically the charges that he was brought up on. There was a harsh sentence for those charges, which is like, great. But maybe the boot should have been brought down a little harder to begin with. A little harder would have been nice. Yeah.
00:03:10
Speaker
I also wanted to mention English football. Yes, I could for a minute. And Sterling, after all the the shit that he takes from from English fans, he's the one to really I mean, he dominated that match. I'm not I'm not a big soccer fan person. But I was watching that. I was like, this guy's fucking good. Yes, he is. And then I'm like, oh, no. Oh, he's also the guy that they also just keep a lot of shit on. Yeah.
00:03:39
Speaker
So it's like, okay, no, now, yeah, fuck them. Good for him. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I thought it was great that the German players took a knee as well. And they, you know, that's, it's funny how Germany's become the country that like has reason as opposed to like, what, 80 years ago? Not so much. Yeah, not so much. You know, I guess they learned from their mistakes. If only we could learn from their mistakes, that would be nice. Great.
00:04:03
Speaker
Maybe I'd be all right with that. That'd be really nice. Hey, whatever. Just call it crazy. Although I did see something pretty batshit nuts like swimming camps for women that have like a bigger hairstyle are not going to be allowed at the Olympics. Oh, yeah, they do shit like that at the Olympics, which is so it's very, yeah.
00:04:26
Speaker
There's literally no advantage to those, literally none. It's like, so what you're saying is you don't want these women to keep their hair. Right. Which is pretty bullshit. You can't do that with your hair and then compete at this level. That's kind of, that is bullshit. Yeah, that's quite horseshit.
00:04:43
Speaker
Well, IOC and NCAA and FIFA kind of rotate on which one's the most corrupt organization at the time. Well, NCAA is getting F'd in the A at the moment. Yeah, the players got their wish.
Athlete Rights and NCAA Changes
00:05:01
Speaker
The NCAA cannot own their image and likeness and perpetuity, all that, or at least profit off them without them getting paid.
00:05:10
Speaker
This is, yeah, good. Go for that. And I guess just today we learned that the players now can own their own image and likeness, which maybe we'll get a college football video game again. There we go. That'd be good. That would be cool. Yeah. I'm sure that the EA sports people are kind of pissed about this whole situation, but
00:05:33
Speaker
Well, maybe no, they're probably happy now that it's resolved. I mean, like they're pissed because they it's been like what? It's like five or six years easily. But since there's been a college football game, you cannot sell it. Right. Yeah, because the players all finally got there. I mean, I mean, they all looked like let's be real. Number 15 for Florida quarterback. That looked like Tim Tebow to me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was it was it was all the guys just there, you know, and you just the number.
00:06:02
Speaker
The funny thing is you could go in and input their names. Yeah. And the announcers would call them their names, even if it was like, like Tebow, who the fuck is a Tebow? But no, they somehow they had somehow do that. Like, oh, geez, you fucking fucks. Yeah, not great. Yeah, not great at all. So at least they're they're figuring that out. And actually might I saw something somebody said, like, you know, this actually might lead to kids staying in school just a little bit longer.
00:06:29
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depending on the situation and stuff, because they can, they don't have to jump for the cash, they can stick around and make some money and not, you know, sit there and be poor. And that's a good thing, because that means also means that the players who
Player Development and Transfers
00:06:45
Speaker
want to play professionally will also maybe it'll help professionalize them so that they're ready to go like maybe not the way it is today where it's like and because right now the coaches could treat the players like shit they can do whatever the fuck they want and now if the players have a little leverage
00:07:02
Speaker
there's something to it. You can't just start, you can't cut a guy that's getting paid so and so. Like that's the whole point of like, you know, the pros, it's hard to get rid of some of the players. So they get rid of the coaches. Yeah, we're maybe gonna start seeing that.
00:07:17
Speaker
Because there's a lot of coaches out there who just don't get their guys ready to go pro. And it's such a disservice to the players and the game. Right. Just like I'm going to make my like Steve Spurrier before him in Florida, too. It's all earlier. Oh, my God. What a joke. How many players came out of you, Florida, and were like, you're going to be amazing? And they just weren't.
00:07:39
Speaker
Like Alabama is kind of like Nick Saban is almost there. He's got a couple of great players obviously, but you know, any coach with that enough talent, you're going to get one or two guys who are fantastic. But how many guys do they get to the pros? And they're just like, you're not any good. You can't sort any of this shit out. Like all you did was rely on your athleticism and do one thing. So a lot of them do that, man. A lot of them do that.
00:08:03
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Yeah. So hopefully a lot of football talker for, for a running podcast. Oopsie. Yeah. We'll get to that in a little bit. Um, second tier of champions league is opening up. Uh, thank you, Yuri. Welcome. Welcome to the crew. Glad to have you bud. So I think we have one or two more spots. I'm not a hundred percent sure. I don't remember how many names exactly it was. I'll go back and read my notes and all that shit. But so spots are closing up quick. So grab your friends and tell them do it, do it.
00:08:33
Speaker
Get in on it. Can't stress it enough how much fun it is. 5%. New cycle player movement via Fafita heading to WASP. That's a good fucking get for WASPs. Real good. And it's a good fit for Fafita because if he's not going to be an All-Black anymore, then he had his cup of coffee, I guess. But at this point, there's so many other talented locks coming up, you know, like, or players who can play that lock six position.
00:09:03
Speaker
Yeah, go get your money, kid. Although he's almost 30, but... Yeah. I mean, so maybe that's more the point. You know, he's getting into the back half of his career, so it's time to decide, do I want to be an All Blacks still or do I want to go make a little more scratch? And some guys will write it out for another year or two to see if they can get a few more caps to the All Blacks just because...
00:09:25
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who doesn't want to wear that black jersey if you're from New Zealand. But at the same time, like you start deciding, all right, I might need a little bit of scratch to take care of my family. And speaking of that, you know, competing for a spot on the All Blacks, and it's not on the list here, but we need to talk about it because it pisses me off.
00:09:44
Speaker
um, Lachlan Bashir. Oh yeah. Leaving, leaving chiefs and New Zealand, New Zealand. So he's just like, I'm, I'm done here. I'm going to Japan. So I guess, you know, I'm wondering if Japan's like a way station until he comes to Europe. Sometimes that's how it works. Right. Similar to, to Fafita. I mean, we all know how much fun they have in Japan. So I think he wants to go have a little bit of fun before going to make, you know, that much more money. Yep. So maybe, yeah, it's a, it's,
00:10:14
Speaker
But he's another guy who had a shot at six for her. Yeah, for the All Blacks. Correct. Yeah. Also, excuse any loud noises there. Thunderstorms just rolling through the Boston area and it is going to be a little loud at some point. I wouldn't, I would wager so. Bear with us. Yeah.
00:10:36
Speaker
I don't think we don't lose this thing. Right. I don't come with. Alan, when tips injured in the the match this past weekend, really, really just heartbreaking for both of them, especially Alan, when it was it was just a benign like it that wasn't that looked like nothing. It looked like nothing. And it just looked like nothing, which meant it was just the wrong angle. And yeah, it just looked great, but it didn't look
00:11:04
Speaker
Like it was just like, OK, I could see how that. Yeah, that could tweak something. And yeah, I could pop a shoulder out. Yeah. OK. Yeah, I popped the shoulder out. Fuck. And indeed, it did. So, you know, really. And the but the cotties he gave us with coming out and not having no fling. Like, dude, I rep, I totally respect the toughness and that's not fun. I've been there. Literally, it's not. I have the scars to prove it. Not fun.
00:11:35
Speaker
But fuck, get your fucking shirt or your arm in a sling. It's not good for you to be just out. Yeah. Get some support. You're in that way. Yeah. But I guess also at the same time, it's like, what does he have to get it ready for? Nothing.
Rugby Injuries and Team Updates
00:11:50
Speaker
You know, nothing. He's not going on the well. He's not playing for whales. Right. If anything, he needs to get ready for, you know, his club season and the fall tests. Yeah.
00:12:02
Speaker
And Tipperick too. Tipperick, a player, what was it? I saw somebody mention a player as good as Tipperick will only get one Lions cap in his career. Like, yikes. Ridiculous. I mean, of course, yeah, it's due to injury in this case because he would have been, he would have gotten, you know. He would have been on the field at some point in those tests. A couple times, yeah. So just kind of a shame for him to be that close and because it's not,
00:12:30
Speaker
It's, it's one thing to make a team like that. It's another to be like, Oh no, you're, you're one of the guys we're going to rely on. Um, that that's so meaningful as a player. Right. I mean, look at back at Jonathan Davies, who got voted player of the line store to New Zealand in 17.
00:12:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's a huge thing. And just to miss it on a on a you know, Alan Winjotes has been there. He's done that. So it's it's a shame for all of us. But it's not he's not he knows what he's you know, he's been a part of that tipper. It's like, oh, and yeah, he has been once. But to be in the be in the position where you're going to be relied upon as a lion and to miss for what was a hamstring? Yeah, then something fucking worst.
00:13:16
Speaker
Yeah, awful stuff. Tips for placement. Naveed, you and I both talked about that, and that was a definitive possibility that he would get called. There are a couple of the names that you and I rifled through as well, and that was definitely one of the ones, though. So that's a fine call from our book, for sure. Yeah, definitely. No, you can't argue with that. You could argue with even some of the ones we were talking about before we mentioned him when we were talking.
00:13:45
Speaker
But yeah, no, no, no complaints. Fucking go. Yeah. Yeah. Not sure about Adam Beard, though. I think I would have taken Gray myself. It's got to be something we don't know. It's got to be. Well, I mean, well, we know Gatlin and Beard have a relationship. Apparently Gatlin. Yeah. Beard.
00:14:06
Speaker
Gatlin fucking loves the kid. Just loves it. I guess so. So so there's that. That's I'm sure part of it. We also don't know, you know, some of these again, these decisions are made by who tours the best, who can be, you know, a cheerleader instead of, you know, you know, demanding on the team. Yeah. And I don't know. I don't know either of them. I don't know either beard or or gray.
00:14:30
Speaker
when, how they would react, but I can only assume that that may be played a part or, or, you know, or something along those lines. It certainly wasn't on field play that, that nothing, nothing against Beard Gray has just been fucking ridiculous. Yes. He has been. He's been absolutely brilliant. I believe he had to try this weekend.
00:14:51
Speaker
Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, in a final, yeah, no big deal. Yeah, I can. I can fucking play. Yes, you can. He knows. He knows the big stage he's used to it. For a spring box team named for the since the rugby World Cup final in 2019, they're playing Friday against Georgia. Unfortunately, I don't think we're going to be able to get that on there, but that's OK. We're not. Oh, it might be on off the check. I may have it. Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:19
Speaker
We have Incho, we have Bungy and Manabe, Inyakanya, good to see him back there. He ended his World Cup prematurely, which was too bad. That's about the most hurt, that's not fair. Kaleesi, Kwaga Smith at eight is interesting. Pierce stuck to Toi, no surprise. Rhynak at nine, that's fun. Pollard playing 10, shocker of the day. FLE Fosse is gonna get his first cap. Friend Stain in there, Creel. And Speckman getting his first cap too. Yeah, Speckman getting his first cap, that's interesting.
00:15:49
Speaker
I like this because they don't need their top. They obviously don't need their top wings to be Georgia because Georgia don't have much outside the pack. So I like that these guys are getting their runs because Beckman. I he's I'm not sure he's at that level. And this is but here's a shot for him. You know, let's see what let's see if he can if he belongs. Yeah, I see. I think I don't have any problem. I like I remember I remember watching him last time.
00:16:17
Speaker
when the South African teams were in Super Rugby and he looked pretty good, if I remember correctly. So I had no problem with that. I remember being disappointed by Speckman last time I saw him, I guess would be in Super Rugby. But that was a long time ago. So what the fuck do I know? We'll see. Yeah. Mollie LaRue playing fullback once again. Mark Smalahirba and Kitsov are the front row off the bench. Marvin Ory, who never impressed me, is the backup lock. Jasper Vese.
00:16:44
Speaker
the back row placement off the bench for them, probably looking more than likely making his debut for the string box as well. Yanchi's and Yanchi's attorneys at law, the backup halfbacks. And then Damien Villamsa, our old friend, Damien Villamsa, playing as the back three slash center cover. Did he even step on the field for Saris? Yeah.
00:17:06
Speaker
Okay. Okay. I couldn't remember. I was like, oops. It wasn't long. No, it wasn't. It was like one or two games. That was the end. I was like, Oh, see ya. Thanks for coming. Other news, entry news. Obviously we know AJ McGinty is not going to be able to compete in either of the test matches summer, which sucks.
00:17:29
Speaker
Um, Bryce Campbell has been named as captain in his stead, which kind of have some questions about like, yeah, what is it? And I don't know. I don't know the kid well enough to sit there and question it completely, but I just, I see the 12 on his back and I go.
00:17:47
Speaker
Is that really where you want to go? Like, yeah, it's going to go a little closer to Scrum. U.S. rugby does that shit. I know. But I wish Gary Gold was. I know Gary Gold's smarter than this. I wish he would actually act like it sometimes. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's also the fact maybe it's that. Yeah, I don't know. I yeah, I kind of would have gone Peterson, given them that that Ellermann Jones role. Right. Absolutely. And I think you were covered. I think you were covered that quite quite well at that.
00:18:17
Speaker
You know, I wish, and had, um, had Tony Lamborn been healthy, I would have actually put his name in there too, uh, for, for, um, for captain, obviously would have been probably somewhere in that back row, no doubt. So yeah, that would have been one guy I would have thrown it thrown into that, uh, that conversation as well.
00:18:36
Speaker
But this is what it is. Replacing AJ is the much harder thing to do in terms of his position and wearing the 10 shirt. I've seen what the most people will say, Oh, well, well, he's the easy replacement. I don't think that's the easy answer. That that answer kind of sucks to me. So I would prefer, you know, let's give Luke Cardio role, the LA guy. I would I'm down with that. You know, that was
00:19:05
Speaker
Yeah. Don't know how he's been looking in camp or anything. Right. I mean, he's he's had Gitto. He's been the understated Matt Gitto for the season. So I'm sure he's better than he had been. I'm sure he's playing the best rugby he's ever played right now. Right. It'll only get better. Is he is he do you want to put him on the field against that England side, though?
00:19:29
Speaker
I had this, there's no way he's worse than Will McGee. There's no way he's worse than Will McGee. There's no way he's worse than Will McGee. That's, you know what? Yes, that's true. There's no way. We've talked about guys like that who, you know. Unless the plan is to put Hooley at 10, which is not his best position. No, it's not. His best position is fullback. Right. But it's like, you know, we've had this discussion about other players and other teams, but
00:19:57
Speaker
you know, you got. And so it's like with with McGee and it's like, you don't know what you got. I would really be here. This is a place to find out like if he stands up and puts his hand up in front of the whole world to watch what against this England team and says, maybe the rest of my team might suck a little bit, but I'm here to play.
00:20:15
Speaker
Number one, good for him. Number two, I'm going to, you know, shit, we got a one, two combination at fly out for 2021 that most people would, um, or not 2021, um, 2023 that most people would Joe damn, uh, in terms of that. So, uh, certainly tier two countries by, by all means. So I would, I would prefer, I want to find out what he's got. Right. Well, that's here's the other thing. If you are, um, if you have AJ,
00:20:42
Speaker
in your lineup. Do you have a chance to win the, you know, some of these matches? Maybe the Ireland match, depending on who to me, to me, it's a yes. Cause he can, he is a, I mean, look, we saw what we did with sale. We saw what we did with fucking sale with those backs, that fucking slap dick roster there.
00:21:05
Speaker
Yeah, I have no doubt he could succeed on a level with the Eagles. If you have McGee at 10, are you winning any of these matches? Hell no. Not a chance. And holy hell. Okay. Now, if you have Luke Carty, do you have a chance at winning any of these matches? Who knows? There you go. Who knows? To me, that's enough. That's enough, honestly.
00:21:27
Speaker
It's going, we're going from who knows, you know, or from, you know, no fucking chance to who the hell knows is better. It's better. That's where we're at. You know, we have to understand where we're at here. You know, we, yes, H.A. definitely gave us a shot. Right. Not here anymore. Let's find out what some of these guys have. I don't need to know. The known commodities do not need to be out there, honestly, unless they're like proving commodities, like Greg Peterson, like Te Fete, like they need to be out there. But other than that,
00:21:57
Speaker
Fuck it all. Like, das should be the nine. No question about that in my brain. Of course. Of course not. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see what the lineup looks like. Come. I think it'll be out either tomorrow or Friday. Also, speaking of Eagles, though, and player movement, it's on Wuching as apparently leaving the Legion.
00:22:19
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Like it's very mysterious how that all that out. There's nothing, there's no actual news out there about it. So I don't know where it is. He should be in the back. He should be in the starting back row by the way. Yeah, he should. Absolutely. And then then, but it's a question of who's, so where's he signing? Cause there's something. Staying in.
00:22:37
Speaker
Is he seeing in the re is he saying MLR? Is he going to somewhere abroad? I don't know that he can stay in the MLR. I don't know that you could like, they wouldn't cancel his con like that. You can't just be like, I'm out and then I'm going to go to another team. That's not how I would imagine those contracts work. So this has got to be something of I'm out. I'm going to go sign in, you know, in the prem. I'm going to get home. I mean, I'm going to go play for healing for a year.
00:23:01
Speaker
the kids got a motor. Well, algebra is healing. So that would be, that would be one person I would probably put a good word in for him at least. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the kids got a motor. That's a hard, that's a hard thing to teach. Yeah. You know, that's not a coach. That's not a thing you coach. It's just, you know, we always text and he's ticking from minute one to minute 80. And he's just all over the fucking place. And
00:23:24
Speaker
It's really hard to train that. Now, I understand going from the MLR to even the championship or a protee deux, that's still a bit of a change, but still like, you know, put him on there for 60 minutes and tell me that he can't keep that motor going and that it doesn't benefit the team. Yeah, they'll coach him up. He's got, like you said, he's got the motor and half of the problem of guys who move up is that the game is so much faster than they're used to.
00:23:50
Speaker
And they just don't react quickly enough. And I don't really have that kind of concern about Samu Ching. No, I do not. Same, same, same. So we'll see. We'll see what things look like on Independence Day. Woke up or excuse me, Olympic sevens pools have been drawn for both for both tournaments. So we have just got fucked for both the US. I think.
00:24:19
Speaker
Here's the thing. I don't know if South Africa is the same South Africa that used to be. So assuming they are, that's tough. Kenya are one of those sneaky teams that like, they'll always push you. They don't always necessarily perform well at tournaments, but they'll always push you. And if you go to sleep on them, they will bite you. I don't know, have a problem with in terms of the men. I think they'll be just fine.
00:24:41
Speaker
I just feel like I don't, I think I was just qualified. They did. They just call it like they're super happy to be there. So yeah. So I think they'll be okay with right. I'll put, put Barry Perry Baker out there and the thing is in Madison and we'll be okay. Yeah. That that South Africa match though is going to be tough for both teams. Like that's going to be tough. And the thing that kind of fucks you is even if you, if you lose that match, it means that you're probably not moving on. Cause you're like, I don't think the point differential is between,
00:25:10
Speaker
you know, between Ireland and Kenya, you know, I don't know how much, you know, the US, I don't think the US can run up the score on either of those, but they might be on probably Ireland. Yeah, Kenya, maybe not. So tonight, we have, but you still you have, well, we're looking, we're still looking at
00:25:30
Speaker
Well, then New Zealand, Australia, that's kind of that. Yeah, I'm looking at some of the others. Now I'm looking at some through some of the other New Zealand, Argentina and Australia. Korea is going to be the whipping boy, unfortunately. That just is awful. I feel bad for them. They're there. They're just going to get talked and that's just not going to be fun. I don't know how the Canadian sevens is.
00:25:47
Speaker
assuming that Japan's decent, then that could be tough. Great Britain's obviously going to have some good, good guys to go around and then Fiji. That's going to be the team who's, this is their international sports. This is their national sports. So, um, for the women, um, yeah, Australia, tough Japan, China. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. But to me, there's not really,
00:26:15
Speaker
another, like New Zealand don't really have much in the way of competition. And so this goes to the great Britain women will challenge them. I can guarantee. All right. I just wonder about the consequences on that team. She's, she is not going to fucking let that team go, go down without a fight. That's for sure. Fair. I think I'm at your end on that team too.
00:26:34
Speaker
Yeah, they got the players. It's just that it'll be interesting to see how they come together. Yeah, that's always the challenge for that team. Like, can they get them to play together? Canada, France, Fiji, Brazil, in pool C. The Canadian women are usually nothing to fuck with. That's all. I do know that. Right.
00:26:52
Speaker
So that makes that pool really challenging for Priscilla, especially. Yes. So, yeah, again, US hopefully, I think hopefully the US can take it to Australia, though, that that would that just put them through. That'd be nice. Just put it away. Don't have to worry about.
00:27:09
Speaker
with differential and shit. Yeah, we'll see how that goes. And I mean, they've the Australian women, I believe have had two naps against. Oh, the Kiwis. Yeah. So that will be tough. Yeah, certainly understand that. But yeah, with the walrus are probably the thing standing in the way of the US. That's probably about it and that. But because is it quarterfinal? It's quarterfinals, right? I think so. So yeah, you're looking at top two plus you're looking at your two best third places.
00:27:40
Speaker
So, okay. All right. So then yeah, you'd be fine. Okay. I think that's right. Oh, it's quarter. I was thinking semi-finals. Yeah. I'm guessing they would do quarter finals. That would make sense. All right. Then I'm not so worried. Yeah. Just make just what, you know, learn what you need to for Australia when you apply them. Hopefully you can still beat them anyway. And then we'll see how that, we'll see how it checks out. Yeah. Nothing stupid like they did last time. That was so bad. Yeah. I like the roster better this time.
00:28:08
Speaker
Yeah, I do too. Yeah. No, no, no, um, pony, like a show pony, like Nate Ebner and the Squad. Yeah.
00:28:16
Speaker
Um, free Jack's have a new home as we found out this week, uh, moving to a slightly bigger venue. Uh, they're doubling. They're actually doubling their capacity with this. Well, then, all right, I'm having less and less of problem with this. The more I learned about it, but yeah, I mean, it's fine. It gets closer to Boston and it's by a T stop, right? It's by a rail stop. And there was no rail stop down at union point. As much as we want there to be, there's no rail stop down at union point. And trust me,
00:28:42
Speaker
But that was the grand plan once upon a time, and as Ben and I both very well know, all the ins and outs of Union Point, but it's not a thing anymore. Certainly not any time soon. Yeah, that idea is like 10 years down the road, and the freaks do not want to wait around. No, they don't blame them.
00:29:00
Speaker
Yeah, not at all, not at all, at all, at all. And you know, to, to maggleby's maggleby's credit, whether you like his answers or not, or believe him, he's at least responsive. Yes. And that is, that is like, that's a load of credit, like, mags will respond to you all day long. And just like, he didn't just like, give me a one word thing, he gave me a pretty
00:29:21
Speaker
Yeah. That's a longer response than I thought. So Jared asked, he's like, you know, that field is lined for football and seeing all the lines and stuff on it. Like, not that the free Jack's current, not the union point doesn't have lines, but it doesn't have football lines, which just clog up everything. It's just a fucking line every
00:29:41
Speaker
10 yards, excuse me. Right. Well, then there's the lines across the field, but then there's the hash marks and then the sidelines are like these like yard thick stripes that are on the field of play for a rugby pitch. And that so it sucks. I mean, if you've seen some of the MLR teams play at football fields and it looks like shit, it does. I hate it. It just looks like so fucking amateur.
00:30:04
Speaker
Um, but mags said that they can get the lines covered up. So if you believe they can do it, I will trust in mags because mags has done a lot of good things. So I will trust in Magilby for now. Yeah. Cause that, that is a, you know, that's an appropriate annoyance to be like, look, it just looks like shit guys. Like I love you, but I want you to play on a field that doesn't fucking embarrass me. They are embarrassed.
00:30:33
Speaker
Anyway, but yeah, so I mean, clearly you and I weren't annoyed, so annoyed that we didn't read up. Right. We just got our new season tickets for next year too. So yeah, I mean, listen, we can't sit here and bitch about not having local professional rugby and then not support it.
00:30:50
Speaker
right like we're just yeah we're putting our fucking foot in our mouth otherwise so i'm not wanting to do that if i can help it so yeah so just ride it with the we will take the the bad with the good right and we'll take the growing pains and we'll get there eventually yeah and just hope that they're not making a silly decision for that for them that's the same of all things though like you said it's a bigger venue
00:31:12
Speaker
It's only one season. They can always go somewhere else too. They can go back to Union Point. They can go somewhere else. It's only one season. They're doing one season at a time right now trying to find a split. Until we can do like the Sabercats did. Sabercats are a shite team, but that stadium looks really awesome and it's got so much room to grow that it's theirs too.
00:31:35
Speaker
I think they're just kind of in a holding pattern until Robert Kraft finally gets his ass together and builds a stadium for the revolution. And then maybe they'll try to get in on that. Because that's what Utah does right now. They play at Rail Salt Lake's place.
00:31:56
Speaker
So what if it's fucking line for soccer too? I don't know if it is. There's so many less lines for that than there are. I really don't care. And at least the lines for soccer are about the same. There's a lot that can cross over. There's a lot that can cross over. What's that big box?
00:32:20
Speaker
Oh, you're talking about the 18-yard box? Yeah, the 18-yard box. I have used that many a time for a 22. Right. Of course you have. Not a pitch, just because you have to. Sometimes you just make two. It's a small 22, but it's better than nothing. Right.
00:32:34
Speaker
So yes, I agree. And I will, I will definitely, um, I definitely look forward to, cause they're going to play that, that one match on the 18th. Hopefully things are right for them. Right. If they're not, I'll forgive them. It's only one time. They only a few weeks next year. If this doesn't happen again, then we started asking questions. That's the thing. Uh, but hopefully it's right. If it's right for the 18th and they've got a believer in
Premiership Rugby Developments
00:32:57
Speaker
me for sure. You know, that's all I know.
00:33:00
Speaker
Yeah, if it goes well, then fuck, I'm in. Yep, same. And like I said, it's closer to the city, it's closer to a rail, which makes it so much more accessible for people to get to. And it's a bigger venue, which is obviously another thing that they're going to hope that comes in handy if it's closer for people to have access to.
00:33:20
Speaker
Yeah. So that'll be families. You don't want to, you know, if you can just take the fucking T down on a weekend instead of driving in and getting, you know, annoyed by parking and shit. Yeah. The far parking lots and asshole as Bill about it. Yeah. Oh, man. OK. Prim future has been determined in terms of promotion, relegation. We have 13 teams this year. We know that next year, 14, a team from the championship will get promoted. We assume that will be healing.
00:33:49
Speaker
can they get their shit together? Big question. They just signed four players, three from the Lions in South Africa. And I don't remember where the other one was from. I think the other one was one of our boys that was way too young to get a whole lot of time.
00:34:09
Speaker
Maybe that'll help. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. But yeah, I just don't know. I mean, I think that's the plan though. I think they might, you know, get a little bit of a boost from a generous benefactor to make that happen possibly. I could see the Saris reaching out and being all like, sorry, here's some help. Here's some dough. It's almost like you're walking out of the stadium. I'm leaving 20 on the dresser for you.
00:34:37
Speaker
Oh, man. Oh, man. You need it more than I do. Oh, shit. Oh, fuck. That's bad. But people are asking about shit. People are like, Oh, well, we're both these standards like those standards have been in place for a while. And they made them stricter. Thank you, London Welsh for why they made them stricter like
00:35:02
Speaker
They didn't want people going down, down in smoke like that. Like that's just, no, where they, you know, they, they signed three players. One of them's a fat out of shape period. We poo very out of shape. Can I, did I mention that unfit? Um, and they get one bloody point all year in the standings, like, and then they go bankrupt. Like nobody wants to repeat that. Nobody does. And not for any of these clubs and I, you know, so that's the other thing, like,
00:35:28
Speaker
Yes. They want to welcome more clubs into it. And would it be cool if we had somebody like a leads back into, you know, top fight rugby in England? Yep. But you know what? Not the expense of something like this. Yeah. You can't, you can't do that. It's just too stupid. So sometimes you got to save, save these guys from themselves. You know, they all want it, but sometimes they just don't quite have it. You know, so that's, that's just how it goes. And I agree with it. So sorry guys. Then after that, they'll ring fence for what a year and then they'll do, um,
00:35:59
Speaker
they'll do a challenge match, which I'm okay with. I like that. You can always be like, you know what? I know I'm not good, ready to move up or something. And it can be like, if it is a team, that's like, yeah, we can't compete in the prem. Um, I, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how that would work, but at the same time, I liked the idea. It also, you know, I liked the fact, I liked the idea of earning your way in more than the, the automatic, um,
00:36:28
Speaker
promotion promotion and relegation. I like I like that. No, no, no, you have to get there. Earn your spot in the in the prem, not just be the best in another league. You have to show you can belong like you can't just be better than the championship. You have to be at least good enough to beat a prem team, a prem team. Totally. Please something. Even if it's the worst prem team, like if you can beat them. All right, then. OK, then you've proven your mouth. Come on in. Yeah. So we'll see how that works out. Lions versus Japan.
00:36:58
Speaker
We saw how many debutants, three score for the lions. Something like that. Yep. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. All four. Yeah. And then, um, shoot who tag burn, who was fucking ridiculous. We saw him and he celebrated by with a fucking monster kick.
00:37:20
Speaker
Yeah, that's right. It's true. Yeah, that he was definitely people kind of like, there were some people that were wondering, like, is he really on the plane? I'm like, yes, he's fucking on the plane. Right. That dude is definitely on the plane. And you just saw him get like, you know what? I'm he got it was a little bit of a learning curve for him. It took him a little bit to get into it. And then once he was in it, um,
00:37:45
Speaker
Cause he was, he was had some good charging runs before that try. He was loving life too. Yeah. And then after that, he was like, Oh, I'm just going to play. Like now that's that fucking mission accomplished on that one. So now it's just, let's play some rugby. And then that's when he had the kick and it's like, if you can do it, flaunt it. James Chisholm said, got it. Flaunt it. But.
00:38:09
Speaker
Yeah, just you love to see a guy just be like, you know what, especially from a lock flank position, just like, yeah, I'm going to do stuff with the ball that only a back supposed to do because I'm just going to be a rugby player and have fun. Like you tell forwards not to kick, but if you can do that, fucking do it fine. Yeah, it's useful. It's yes. Teams off guard.
00:38:29
Speaker
It's helpful. So, yeah, well done to him. And Duhan showed that he belonged. They made some fucking moron questions about that.
00:38:43
Speaker
I thought Japan showed well though for to go against a team like, um, like that, you know, even though it's their first match, got to come with some jam and thought they did. Yeah. You know, I still, I still question you tomorrow as there, as there 10, he is a great attacking sense, but they need somebody better to kick off the tee. Cause the dude doesn't know how to hit the broadside of a bar.
00:39:06
Speaker
like it's not great so if you it's fine you don't have to have a 10 that kicks all day long like free jacks were employing a 10 for a long time they didn't know how to kick off the tee but right yeah it's fine you know make it work you know find a 12 find a fullback that can kick the damn thing a nine whatever it is
00:39:27
Speaker
And then because his attacking sense actually looked really good. So I won't besmirch him for that. But yeah, you got to find somebody that can kick it off the tee. That's not him. That'll help your team. Yeah. And how like how much does it speak to what the professionalization of like or what being in a high end professional environment does for the likes when you see the likes of Katara Matsushima and Kazuki Himino perform so well against this team, you know, like
00:39:56
Speaker
Yes, these guys, the Japanese guys can't hold their own. The Brave Blossoms are as brave as they come, so well aptly named. Yeah, I think you need to see clubs reach out to more of these guys and say, yes, we can work with you and bring you along.
00:40:18
Speaker
you'll see the result of it will be this, right? And guys like that and him and oh, coming off of like just winning a trophy and oh no, he lost. Just coming up and just coming off of that trophy, but still a final, but coming off a final, which I didn't score in that final. No, I thought he, okay. Maybe I swear he had all the points in there. Okay. Um,
00:40:41
Speaker
That's right. But he scored in this one. So yes, he did. Good for him. Another one, too. Yeah. I mean, that that just shows the I think maybe he had a try in the semi. That's maybe what it was. But yeah, either way, I know he wasn't the same. Fuck, I don't know. Yeah, probably. I could have scored a big try for the Highlanders this year. Probably because I think they played the Brumby's to end the year. OK, that must have been that. And then he scored. That must have been what it is.
00:41:06
Speaker
Um, so yeah, but yeah, and then to, to go in and score against the lions. Fuck. I mean, and he has everybody cheering for him everywhere. He goes, loves him. I mean, dude is fucking blessed. I'm trying to give him tries that he didn't score. Yeah, exactly.
00:41:25
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love the guy. Yeah. He's great. I think he's been a he's been the fact that he's become such a folk here was so great for both the sport and in that country. So I'm really, really excited for him to keep that going. One thing I want to mention about the Lions, though, because I forgot till just now.
00:41:45
Speaker
There was a penalty, I think it was first half, just outside the Japan 22. And Dan Bigger walks, there's like, you know, the crap, you know, the normal forward crowd around the penalty. Dan Bigger takes a couple of steps forward and then leans over so we can see where Josh Adams is. Yes, he did, I saw that.
00:42:02
Speaker
Just trying to compete like, all right, are they covering us? Yeah. And watch the film. They're not right. And you can see me like, all right, no, it's not on. All right. Cheeky bugger. He is probably nailed on as their tender for the test unless something happens. Yeah, I think bank on that. Yeah, I think they'll do something like they did.
00:42:26
Speaker
whatever, like they did in this match where it's like, yeah, they'll bring Farrell on to play 10 for bigger when he runs out of steam. We want to make sure he doesn't get hurt. Something like that. And keep finishing the Joker at some point here. Yeah, exactly. Wee! Yeah. I have to say,
00:42:47
Speaker
Those Saracens guys must be a bunch of cheating assholes if they're the only ones that are sticking around to thank the fans afterwards. Right. Oh man, Jess Hayden reports that and then got so much abuse for it. So much abuse. Yeah. And then turns out it's bang on, like dead on accurate. Yeah.
00:43:06
Speaker
Come on, man. Why? Because she's a woman? That doesn't make what she says inaccurate. There's a deep-rooted thing that's a problem with that, but we won't get into that. But point being, yes, it was accurate. The Japanese team all stayed and bowed, because they're very classy like that, and that's how they do things.
00:43:24
Speaker
And the Sarries all hang out after the match to stay out of the fans too. So yeah, it's like that's normal for for those guys. And yeah, I guess the rest of the Lions were just not not too busy. Yeah. And what about a bunch of cheating dickholes? Oh, that's the thing. Like you let your hatred for a specific club get make you trigger your fucking
00:43:45
Speaker
misogyny and then just be like, no, she's wrong because she's a woman and that's Saracens. Like, fuck you. The fuck he is. Get the fuck out of here. I mean, Maro of all of them is definitely a class act. We talked about
00:44:01
Speaker
We talked about guys that could be global superstars too. Like Khaleesi could be one. I think Miles got the potential as well. He definitely has the potential. That's somebody that I really, I think he's an Adidas athlete. Like Adidas, push that boy forward. Like just keep, keep his, like if we want a name to put out there for rugby to just like have as it's beacon of, you know, an athlete that people can grasp onto and like, Oh, who's this guy? Yeah.
00:44:27
Speaker
He should go to the top, near the top of the list, along with Khaleesi, like one, two, those two guys, whichever order you want to put them in. I would go with Tojay just because he's goddamn sexy. Yeah, he is. I mean, good lord. No argument out of me. Yeah.
00:44:45
Speaker
No, it's joking, but it's serious because he's fucking gorgeous and then built and everything's right where it should be. But he's also one of the best rugby players in the world. And so it's like you mix the talent with the sex appeal and it's something for everyone. Everyone loves it.
00:45:07
Speaker
Everyone loves it. Go on a little sex appeal. Here's this guy's gal. Grab on. You know, I mean, he doesn't even have to go the aforementioned.
00:45:18
Speaker
Shit, who is it from the Harlequins? He doesn't have to show his bum. Although he could. That's what we should do. We should push ESPN to get him in the body issue. Done. That's it. That's the answer right there. Get him in the body issue. I feel like he might have already been. Did he? I think so. How the hell did I miss that? He might have been. Fucking hell. OK. It sounds familiar. I need to look that up later. Yeah. What the fuck are you looking up?
00:45:47
Speaker
Don't look at my browser history. That's something I always tell her. Let's be real. Fuck. Okay. Let's go to, um, this little place called Twickenham for the, this little thing called the premiership final.
Event Attendance Disparities
00:46:03
Speaker
Before we get there, how many people were allowed in, in the stadium? 10, 15,000.
00:46:09
Speaker
And how many people were just at the fucking at Wembley? At Wembley, just 60 miles down the road, 60,000, I think. What the fuck? Yeah, that's I was not happy to see that. I was like, something about this is not right. Right. One of these things was not like the other. Right. All right. But either way, the important thing was the match. Just the same. Yeah. Awesome. It was an absolutely fantastic match.
00:46:33
Speaker
It was literally, because Jared and I watched it together, so can confirm, it was literally a get on your feet and cheer, even if you're at home match. Yes, it was. I definitely was. Louis Lott caught me on my feet. Oh, he got me on my feet once. I think the second time I was just like... The second one. I think I did the opposite. I think I melted into the couch for the second one. I was just like, yes. Melt.
00:46:57
Speaker
Yeah, that was the boy with something else. That's for sure. Mm hmm. Yeah. And like all the things he does and all the things he did and fucking hell. It might have fucked up. He fucked the pooch early. Oh, he knew he screwed up a couple of times.
00:47:12
Speaker
Yeah, he was not not good early. It took him a little bit to settle in. But like, yeah, he that fielding that ball and going directly into touch when he could have just let the ball go into touch. You dumb shit. Yeah, it gave that was the I think that was set up the Johnny Gray try if I'm not mistaken. It was either the gray or the Hepburn. Hepburn. It was one of those two. Yeah.
00:47:33
Speaker
Not good. Not his best moment there. No. That's not a deal. Not his best moment of the day. No. There was a big return that a lot of people weren't expecting to see back again this year for the Quinn's. And that was Andre Esterhay's. Yeah, that kind of came out of nowhere. His suspension was up. That was the thing. The only reason he wasn't playing was that stupid suspension because he fucking threw it a forearm to somebody's face. Like, yeah, that's looking at you suspended. And you probably thought, my season's over.
00:48:03
Speaker
Yeah, you know and then lo and behold. Hey your boys got to the final you can play and play he did Did he play well? He did yes to yeah, that was that was amazing
00:48:16
Speaker
Yeah, that was a hell of a shift for him to put in, especially. I mean, he was fresh as a daisy. You couldn't ask for a guy fresher at this point in the season, honestly. Right. So it looks certainly fresh legs coming in and just giant to plague Devoto and Simmons defensively. Yeah. I'm sure they didn't have a good time. Yeah. Oh, I'm sure that that day was was tough on them. Right.
00:48:42
Speaker
But you know, and we knew Exeter wouldn't go away. It wasn't, it was never going to be a cakewalk for Quinn's. Quinn started well. Johnny Hill got, it got binned. Yeah. But like, yeah, we always knew that these guys weren't going to go away. You know, right. Sam Simmons had to make his mark and bounced off somebody and got back up and made sure he put his dot down. Yeah. I mean, but Don Brandt's try. I think it's, it's, it's a fun note that yes, both of them scored, but Don Brandt scored first.
00:49:12
Speaker
And, but Simmons, the fact that he responded pretty early. I am not letting this fucking guy out. No, fuck that guy. No, no, no, no, no. Not happening. Plus it's not an exit or match unless Sam Simmons scores a try. So it seems like right. But I mean, the two guys, the two guys we have to talk about.
00:49:35
Speaker
Yeah. Well, BB eight was, was fun. We'll call low. Yeah. Two balls on top of each other. That's what he looks like to me. It's like a bowling ball with another bowling ball on top. Yeah. Just like barreling through people and into the tri zone.
00:49:54
Speaker
I mean, the names roll off the tongue for the twins that performed really well on this match. Canningham, we know Don Brandt, Care, Tyrone Green, of course, Lyna, Marshawn, Esther Hazen. Merle was such a better replacement for L-11 than Aaron Morris, sorry, Aaron Morris. But the guys that stood out, head and shoulders above everybody else.
00:50:18
Speaker
were Marcus Smith and Joe Marlar. And yeah, Smith had two try assists. He only had one defender beaten, but just kicks, didn't miss a tackle, did not miss a tackle. So all those that are just like, oh, Ford is the same as Ford. Fuck you, he isn't. He didn't miss a fucking tackle against Exeter. He got a card, which was stupid, but in many ways,
00:50:47
Speaker
So yeah, he did he did get his due and get a phone call from one Mr. Jones. Finally, I can finally maybe maybe he's coming around on that. I hope I hope
00:50:59
Speaker
You hope, you hope, you hope. And not to say they weren't good up. I think Stuart Hogg was pissed you didn't start again. And really, I think a lot of people are wondering at this point, because Exeter lost the match, why the fuck he didn't. Yeah. Like you just saw, like even when we were talking about it before the match, you just saw what a fucking
00:51:21
Speaker
dangerous 15 can do against a team like the Harlequins or no, I just against the Carlequins, you know, Pietao just fucking was all over the place and not just the kick. Like there's more to being a 15 than being back there returning kicks. I mean, Pietao was in as that, you know, another first receiver and, and, you know, inserting himself on the wing and all that. And, and yeah, I just didn't,
00:51:49
Speaker
Didn't quite see that from, from, from Exeter until hog came in. Nope. A lot of people didn't, a lot of people didn't, they made it nervous at the end with while letting the whole grab that to kick off, but in the end. Yeah.
00:52:02
Speaker
The twins are the ones that lift the trophy and how I want Joe Marla to TV man the match every time possible. Right. So we can get that type of interview every time. That wasn't great. I want somebody to quiet down.
00:52:22
Speaker
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go. She's like, oh, I wish I had more time. He's like, well, you don't, I'm leaving. I'm leaving. I don't know what I'm saying right now. They handed him champagne and he's like, this is for me? I'm gonna drown in this shit. We need more interviews like that. No cookie cutter shit. Like we need more interviews like that.
00:52:48
Speaker
but he also gave good content to us outside of that, as far as what it meant to the team when he's, you know, when he was bit, they were like, what is, you know, tell me about the team. And he's like, well, there's not, we don't have enough time to go through whatever you're on the clock. So don't have enough time to go over that. Cause like they've been through, how much has this team been through this year?
00:53:05
Speaker
Quite a bit. I mean, rewind to when the match before Guzzi got canned against Rossigner. Yeah. And they just looked an embarrassment of a rugby team. They really did. For what they should have been. It was just not there. And it took that to get them to be like, oh, wait, what the fuck? Like, this isn't we're not we're not in happy play time. There's consequences for this. Oh, let's let's fucking go. And ever since then, they've just been
00:53:32
Speaker
Ugh, they've been a fucking hard, hard team to play against. They've been far. They've been, yeah, a team that you have to, you have to defend them well, otherwise you will pay for it. And they did. A lot of these teams just didn't know how to do it. I mean, I kind of feel bad for Bata and Landajo. Didn't play a minute. Didn't play a second. I don't think Landajo gave a shit from how he was acting after the match. Like he threw the flag on and was just,
00:53:58
Speaker
Yeah. Having having a blast because he, I mean, that's, that's the other thing is that he's contributed so much, you know, even if he didn't play in that match, same, you know, all of them have contributed so much. So yeah, have go, go nuts. Yep. Um, one more note about this match. Unfortunately, Twickenham and rugby headquarters were
00:54:20
Speaker
willing to enable the, the, the chant for Exeter, which was actually being led by some of their players as well. I wasn't really happy to see honestly. No, I think, I think while we hit, while we're in the off season, number one, fuck you, Tony Rowe, number
00:54:38
Speaker
Yeah, I was happy to say that. I said that every possible turn. I'm sorry. Yeah. He's such a douche. Like Baxter is kind of a dick, but I can stand him every once in a while. Tony Rowe is the most fucking he's a 70 year old, five year old child. Like fuck him. Fuck him with a passion. Um, but yeah, I just, I think the prime need to really take a hard look. Like, listen, you need to stop doing this or we're going to start talking to you points. That's the one way you're going to wake them up. Right. It's the one way you're going to wake them up. And I, if,
00:55:08
Speaker
And how can you say if the pre-ownership really wants to take what's on their sleeve serious and be against racism? This has to go. This has to go. There's no fucking reason for it. Especially with... It's being cracked down on everywhere else. Why the fuck is this okay?
00:55:26
Speaker
Right. Why do you find it acceptable when no one else does? It's being more and more of a thing that people are not no longer. This is no longer your league champions either. This is no longer the European champions. This is now just another team in the league. So you can't even use that as an excuse. Right. So fucking do it. Do it and be done with it. Or, you know, you're going to lose some people. Simple as that. You can lose people.
00:55:53
Speaker
And if you want fans, you cannot be losing the ones you already got. Yeah. Simple as that. That's how she goes. So just the same. Quinn's take home this title and now are double champions of England. Well done. With the women and the men. Such a fantastic accomplishment for that organization. Yep. That is so
00:56:18
Speaker
It's so well deserved in so many ways from the way everybody talks about it, like, yep, you couldn't do any better than this club getting a double, you know, at this point. So they're good on them. Who the fuck needs a DOR? Well, yeah, I guess when it comes to a
00:56:38
Speaker
Was it when it comes to a championship winning DOR, nobody beats Rob Baxter? Nobody beats Rob Baxter. Something about that. Yeah. Oh, shit. So away we go. And luckily for the Lions, none of the Lions came out of this match hurt. Right. That's the good thing. Yeah. LCD got a little knocked a little bit goofy, but he'll be OK. He'll be all right. I hope. Right. Yeah. Don't wish poorly upon anybody here in that case.
00:57:07
Speaker
Oh, free Jackson, Emil. I whip around just a frustrating match against the no gold. Cam Dolan did not shut the fuck up ever in this match. And it was really annoying. Like he he was the squeaky wheel and he got the oil. What was this guy's name? Luke, whatever his name was, he's terrible. He was bad. He was really bad. It just the free Jackson to themselves. A lot of favors by any means whatsoever. Well, no, I mean, I will admit that it's not.
00:57:36
Speaker
We're not blaming him for the free jacks losing We're just saying how bad he was and it's not just him. The whole league has really really shitty referees And officials in general because we don't know what they don't seem to allow the ars to make a decision it's just like there's the referee and they're they're basically touch judges and it's like
00:58:00
Speaker
or either that or they're just bad and don't know what the fuck they're looking at. Because which I don't think is the case because you and I both know the the two of the two touch judges that were the two errors that were there for the free jacks this weekend. Like I can't imagine the one of you would let one of the like some of the stuff that was going go. She was empowered. Right. And you know, as much as we want to say as much as we want to shit on Mikey Rudd, like we know better. Well, I don't know, because I think if you knew the rules, you'd still be playing.
00:58:29
Speaker
sometimes knock on right in front of you that maybe the referee doesn't see you probably should be able to buzz in and say there's a knock on at the line out especially when the resulting play becomes a penalty against the team or a penalty for the team that knocked on it's like no no no they they they knocked it on before they earned the penalty
00:58:50
Speaker
You can't. Yeah, like that's not it. Yeah, it was shit like that. That was just this. I mean, this is why the MLR are just snapping up guys like Insomie and GP that were tossed away because we saw the referee quality is not like super high for their leagues. But where we're at right now, it is like I saw I saw a match this weekend. What was it? The
00:59:14
Speaker
Austin was it San Diego, Austin, something like that. That sounds right. Yep. And San Diego scores. And right after it, like it was a good try, like a forwardish try from a wing, I think, or a 13. And like picking gold on the, on the, on the, on the, the goal line. And
00:59:34
Speaker
like basically just throws an open-handed punch at an opposing player afterwards and nothing from anybody. And it's like, it was clear on camera and it's like, well, there's no TMO to be like, yo, look at that. And what the fuck? What's the referee looking at at that point?
00:59:50
Speaker
Like, what else do you have to look at besides, oh, the guy scored, like, where else are you looking? There's nothing else to do. And then the ARs, too. Like, there's clearly, there was clearly a bit of a tussle afterwards. So everybody should be just, there's nothing else to focus on. But everybody missed it. It's like, it should have been the tri-awarded yellow card penalty the other way to restart the match. Like... Right.
01:00:16
Speaker
yellow at least maybe even a red but nothing and it's just like you can't you can't be that league and and and and grow no i'm not i'm not into that if mlr doesn't get tmo up and running by 2022 yeah it's got to happen there's going to be a lot of question marks over the legitimacy of this league honestly
01:00:37
Speaker
Oh, we don't, we don't stop the league. You need to stop for foul play and fucked up tries. Like number one, number two, if you don't stop for anything else, you need to stop for those two things. Cause we saw it was a fight that got a forearm to the, to the neck that didn't get a single card. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And that no arms tackle with away from the ball. Bullshit.
01:00:58
Speaker
Yeah. It was a total cheap shot. He knew exactly what he was doing and no sanction from anybody. I just, I dislike DC. I fucking hate Nola now. Like bullshit. Yeah. I fucking hate this team. Fuck those guys.
01:01:14
Speaker
Yeah. And then, you know, the whole, there was this, there was the high tackle, which a lucky should have got sent off for, which he did. He got a yellow card, which was right. And then you had the reverse. You had, you also had a yellow card given for a foul play after the whistle that should have flipped the penalty. That's a, that's a one Oh one refereeing one Oh one thing, right? This guy fucking missed it. Like, yeah, that's bad. I went to the original penalties. Like, Oh no, you get it. You get a yellow, but we're going back to the original penalty. Like, that's not how it works. And they, and they, and they ended up kicking three points for it too.
01:01:43
Speaker
Yeah, although, you know, as we were talking to one of the coaches after the match, and it's just like, if you don't get over the line, you don't really get to make much of an argument. And the free jacks kick for points three times, and then that was it.
01:01:58
Speaker
Yeah, twice in a yellow card period, which I didn't agree with. Yeah, I did not agree with. Especially with a prop who got yellow carded, right? Got the fucking scrum. Get one of their players off the field. Get one of the back growers off the goddamn field. Right.
01:02:14
Speaker
get one of their fat ass props on the field instead of that playing with 14 instead of because then he's going to have to get cool down and come back in later anyway. It like fucks with him. Everything. That's the first thing you do is scrum just for that alone. Yeah. And then, yeah, if you get in the taking 22 as well. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Not helpful at all. So bad decisions made by Joe Johnston and bad execution by the free jacks. Yeah. Bill doesn't excuse the poor officiating and the MLR has a lot of questions to answer for in terms of the the ARs. Yeah.
01:02:42
Speaker
Do you whip around? New York beat Toronto. Like I said, Toronto is just having a tough season at this point. It's a long one for them. I feel bad for them. Utah beat Houston. Utah looks like they're going to grab that second Western Conference spot. Atlanta beat DC. Yeah, I think it's down to Atlanta and New York. We'll try and play spoilers as best we can. But unfortunately, it's going to be in the top two, I think. San Diego lost to Austin. Austin and our tough team still. And LA beat Seattle fairly kind of in second gear, honestly.
01:03:10
Speaker
To be fail. That's how that goes. TRM and Championks League. Well, congratulations to my my co-host, Mr. Glauser. He won the the Premiership TRM for Championks League. The really the part of the competition that matters the most to you.
01:03:34
Speaker
Hey, listen, I knew it was the one place you wanted to get a victory into. So you did. Yeah, I'm very I'm quite pleased about that. So it's not hard. It's not. I'm sorry, not hard. It's not easy playing to get like that. These guys are not fucking joking around. No, if you go to sleep one week, you're fucked. Yeah. We saw that. Yes, we did a few times, unfortunately. Yeah, it happens.
01:03:57
Speaker
Yeah. And Anton came in second. Duncan was third. Um, I, like I said, I pretty much solidified myself and forth. Didn't really have any place to go. No, Justin, uh, was fifth George six Mark Mark. I'm so quite well for having never done this league. So good for him. I don't think he came in last either. He came in last and either this or the six nations. So good for him. And it's hard to switch. Yeah. It's hard to switch, switch these codes. Cause I'm, I've not traditionally been good at draft rugby just cause I,
01:04:27
Speaker
I don't get the scoring difference because I like the TRM scoring better.
Champions League Results
01:04:31
Speaker
It makes more sense to me. But yeah, so it's hard. But you know, going the other way, I'm sure, is extremely difficult. So good show in there. And then Carrick was our was our foundation in this league. So that brings us to.
01:04:50
Speaker
the final standings of Champions League, the inaugural Champions League. Once again, being our foundation was Carrick with four. That's not a bad show. Yeah. So he got on the board, which is always a good thing. Mark with seven was just above him.
01:05:09
Speaker
You are eight or excuse me, six with eight. Excuse me, I can't talk. I'll take that. I had 10 just ahead of you at fifth. Nice. Top half of the table starts with George at 11. Duncan and Justin tied for second with 13, which means our inaugural Champions League champion is one Anton.
01:05:37
Speaker
Well done, sir. Well done. Consistent as hell through the whole thing. He came in second in TRM like we were talking about. He won six nations. I think he got into the both semi-finals and the most recent playoffs as well. I think the one place he probably struggled was Champions Cup. But really like...
01:05:57
Speaker
That's what you want. That's what we wanted to reward. You wanted to reward consistency. And he was the most consistent. Justin and Duncan were both right there, obviously. Yeah, Duncan won champions cups. That's what helped him. Justin was always in the mix in terms of things. So yeah, I mean, that's what we wanted to reward. We wanted to reward consistency. No one person won more than one comp, though. That's cool. I like that.
01:06:25
Speaker
George Marta won two FRDs though. And that's why he's got the points he's got. But he didn't do much else. If I remember right, I think he won. And did I lose points because I won a SACO? No. No, we could do that at some point. I wasn't sure. No. Yeah. You know what? George was
Podcast Highlights and Statistics
01:06:45
Speaker
in a final in two FRDs. That's what it was. He won one, he lost one. Right. So that's pretty good again. So that's why he ended up in top half of the table at the very least.
01:06:55
Speaker
So yeah, this is what we want to reward. So we'll, we'll tinker with the system and the points and all that stuff. But I think it's got a, I think the right person came out on the end, a top at the end. Um, just wish it was a little more dramatic somehow. Cause really just in depth and we're catching them in the, in the TRM league. So.
01:07:13
Speaker
That's how it goes. But we thank everybody in the league for hanging out with us in that regard. And Anton especially provided the banter. He's the champion just for providing the banter. Yeah, he was great. He provided it to us. Picking it up when it got slow every time. Yeah, definitely. So I said something cool to, you know, I learned a lot from Anton this year, I must say. Not all of it. I'm not saying he's a good influence. I'm saying I learned a lot from him.
01:07:43
Speaker
Oh, man. So let's see. We have. Yeah, what was so let's bar the 24 hour marathon. Yeah. Other than that, what what do you think was your favorite podcast is this one? I enjoy the the the live drafts always. Yeah, which I know kind of start us off a little bit. But well, you know, here and there depends. Depends. The Six Nations preview, though, is always going to be my favorite because
01:08:13
Speaker
because we get good old James and he's just great bands. So always provides always. Yeah, I'm always laughing when he's around. So yeah, which makes it so much fun to be coaching the team he plays on because I get to see him a lot. He does that on the field, too. Yes, he does. He definitely provides a good a good chat, both in the dressing room and and on the pod as well. So we appreciate him for that. Yeah, I think the the mayhem. Oh, and then obviously we got George on.
01:08:42
Speaker
How awesome was that during the well, so I'm you know, barring both the one the episode 100 and the two specials that we had with the 24 hours. Yeah, I think the the the prem draft special where George and I are both drafting in different drafts. Yeah. Two different drafts. Oh, man. What a headache that was. We were like, oh, we planned this poorly, didn't we?
01:09:04
Speaker
Like immediately afterwards we realized, and I think Duncan was in one of those leagues. It was not only two as well. So the three of us are just like, God damn it. I'm trying to not miss a pick. It's like, no, no, no, don't do it. Oh, fuck. So yeah, I always enjoyed that. That's that was just so much. That's just so much fun. Yeah. Like you said, the Six Nation preview was a lot, a lot of good in that one. Um,
01:09:33
Speaker
The overview provides us with, um, you know, you know, where had the, where we had the most downloads this season from. That this sounds like a trick question. It is not the U S it's not the wow England. Yeah. UK. Okay. UK had about 30 more downloads. Oh, nice. Yep.
01:10:01
Speaker
India was ranked third. Interesting. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. So yeah, this season we had downloaders from obviously the UK and the US, India, Germany, Ukraine, Australia, no shock there, Ireland, New Zealand, the Netherlands, South Africa, no shock, Canada, France, Argentina, Bangladesh.
01:10:23
Speaker
Are we sure this isn't people using VPNs? It must be. They don't want that on the browser history that they downloaded our maybe Saudi Arabia, Norway. We had one. We had one from Mexico, which was interesting and Indonesia and I don't know if it's a Denmark. Denmark was another one.
01:10:43
Speaker
Yeah, we had almost 2,000 downloads this year. Nice. Yeah, pushing that. I remember when we
Season Reflection and Gratitude
01:10:48
Speaker
got our first 100 downloads. Right. Right. We got 100 downloads. Any guesses as to our most downloaded episode? I bet you know. If you don't know it, you're going to hit yourself after I say it. It's usually one of the draft episodes. Not this year. Fuck. Think about the episode where we had a lot of shit go down and it wasn't necessarily a rugby related.
01:11:13
Speaker
Oh yeah, it was the January 6th episode. It was. Yeah, we were like basically live potting the interaction. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. That's right. We had almost a hundred downloads for that. Wow.
01:11:27
Speaker
crazy. I mean, yeah, I guess if you want to know what's going on, that's too fucking drunk. It's from America. That's two idiots from America. They'll probably tell you the truth. Although it's scary that we're not the drunkest and most idiotic among us. We were actually I wish there was a day where we were that. Yeah. Are you kidding me?
01:11:47
Speaker
for, you know, relatively for Americans were a decent source of information. That's fine. Yeah, that's bad. Yeah. We averaged around, we averaged about 10 more downloads an episode than we did last season, which is pretty good. Considering we had no off season, we had almost no off scene to this motherfucker, but that's how she goes, man. I feel like next week we're just going to log into this just out of habit at this point. Hey, look at that. I know. Fuck.
01:12:16
Speaker
I know it's going to like, we'll do, we'll do the one, we'll do one before the tests come around and we'll have some international to digest at that point anyway. Um, and then we'll, and then prem kicks off 17th. So we'll do something, you know, early September, right? To, to start, we'll have to start the engines. It'll have our drafts live sometime before that. Yep. Um, yeah, it's going to be wild stuff. Um,
01:12:47
Speaker
Yeah, we should definitely, we should definitely get, we'll definitely get George on here and it'll be fun. And then we'll, yeah, we'll pick the orders and all that stuff and so on. So yeah, so forth. But the thank yous I didn't put it in our notes, but the thank yous.
01:13:06
Speaker
Not in any particular. Thank you to Ed and the Rugby Magazine for always being awesome and being amazing people for us. Bruce and FRD as well for always pushing our shit onto their page. If you haven't been to the FRD website, if you go to it on the desktop, actually you will see our tweets on there if it's the right time because they retweet us and that's what shows up there sometimes. So thank you very much to them for doing that.
01:13:34
Speaker
for getting their stuff fixed, for working it out with their server people. No kidding. I mean, they had one hiccup after like all the big ones. Right. They had one hiccup, I think, after that. That's pretty good. Good for them. Yeah, good on them. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you, George, for coming on and doing both the draft, but also the episode 100, which
01:13:55
Speaker
I've gone back and actually listened to that a couple of times, honestly, and I still have some laughs about it. So that's really, so thank you, George, for doing that. We really appreciate you, buddy. We love you. We'll make sure, we'll get into some sort of three dimensional hangout at some point. Right, space hangout, sort of just online. Yeah, none of that.
01:14:18
Speaker
But thank you very much. I could actually give him a beer instead of buying a beer. This is yours. Put this on the FRG account. I wish to do this. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you to that. Thank you to him. Thank you to James for hanging out with us on and chatting Six Nations. We always appreciated his input on that. Thank you to everybody that just retweeted us and, you know, liked us, commented even if you were a dickhole about it.
01:14:44
Speaker
Give a shit. That's right. It only it only increased the engagement. That's all it does. So we appreciate we appreciate you all for hanging out with us. And of course, as always, thank you very much to our significant others for putting up with our shit, our massive amounts of shit that we have to dole out. Thank you to my wife, Catherine, for always putting up with it and doing everything. And she was a
01:15:11
Speaker
She was actually a big driver of that food bank drive too. So she was a big help to that. So we appreciate that. Yeah. So season three in the books, who knew we'd be here when we started the shit show fucking three seasons ago, three years ago. Good Lord. But hey, we are here.
01:15:31
Speaker
We ain't going nowhere. Right. We'll be back for season four in a couple of weeks. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Um, yeah. So line special in a few weeks and then season four come September, but we appreciate you guys for hanging out with us as always until we talk to you once again, uh, have yourselves a good day. Enjoy the lions as it comes on and all the international rugby that's out there. Um,
01:15:53
Speaker
Go on USA. Do it. Do something to England to make them nervous. Ireland, too. Happy Independence Day to you fucking idiot Americans that are like me and be in bed as well. And happy Canada Day to those of you. Yeah. To our friends in the north. Happy Canada Day. I've been to Canada Day. It's fun. And I have to. It's a blast. Yep. So we appreciate you all. We will catch you guys next season. If not, the Lions special next season. Have a good one, everybody. Later. Cheers.