Introduction to Circuspreneur Podcast
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Great. Hi, Artzer. Hello. It's so nice to have you. We are live at VivaFest in Las Vegas today on the Circuspreneur podcast.
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Exploring Dance Trapeze Vocabulary at VivaFest
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Shanice Saletto, and my first guest on today's Circus for Nerd podcast, which is live at VivaFest in Las Vegas, is VivaFest judge and instructor, Dr. Morrell van Hieft.
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Hello. I'm great, thank you for having me. Of course, I'm so happy to have you at the first live Circuspreneur podcast at the VivaFest.
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And you were just teaching an amazing workshop right now. Can you tell us a little bit about the workshop that you were teaching today? Yeah, the workshop I was teaching is a dance trapeze vocabulary.
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So I tried to bring up like my way of doing trapeze and some the tricks that I found and sharing that and sharing also a little bit of knowledge and on like trying to develop sequences and for the students on their own and like give them some some tools that I find that are really useful for me to also just create their own stuff.
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What do you think that the biggest benefit is of doing workshops at VivaFest? and I think what's really great is I like just seeing the other like technique and the other workshops and even the acts is like I feel like we all bring different technical elements and I think my technical like way of doing trapeze is ah very different so it's super nice to be able to bring that kind of color to the way that people are already doing
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the dance tripies and other aerials so i think it's it's nice to have like this place where all like kind of instructor instructors meet up and bring their all their different colors that I think it's gonna make them the overall like vocabulary of the of the of the aerials like really rich and yeah that's what I'm excited to to see like develop The energy is always like really big at VivaFest and obviously it's a very like multi-faceted amount of performers at different levels of different stages.
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and What do you love about that aspect of teaching at VivaFest?
Workshop Benefits and Learning Opportunities
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and I think it it's nice because like when there's different levels Like it's kind of sometimes like pushes the different level of students to try different tricks that they would have like either like if they're higher level they can revisit stuff and find new ways to do it or if they're lower level they get to like really challenge themselves and and try stuff that ah are a bit harder. and Yeah think
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this This is a challenge, but I think it's also something that's really cool.
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And this is your first year judging at VivaFest?
Judging and Community Engagement at VivaFest
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Yes. And what are you looking forward to judging this year? and Honestly, like I'm just like really excited to like discover this like whole aerial community that i I was not so much aware of. like In France, where I'm from, there's not really this like scene of aerial enthusiasm. So I was like surprised by how many people are like are into that and passionate about it. And yeah, I'm really...
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happy to to be a part of that and and in the judging, like yeah, I would just want to see what people are and passionate about, what they want what kind of tricks they like, what kind of like songs, where they're where they're going artistically and yeah, just like I'm really happy to see people doing tripe and aerial in general. It's really nice.
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And have you judged a festival before? Nope, no it's my first time. I've competed in a lot of festivals but I've never really been on ah on a jury so it's gonna my first time.
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Oh it's like super different. I remember when I was judging too it was completely different the first time. Yeah, for sure. yeah Yeah, being a competitor on on the stage is is so different. Yeah, for sure.
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yeah So what other elements of judging do you think that are important in bringing to a sir a circuit ah circus festival?
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Sorry, can you reformulate for me? Yeah, what other elements do you think are important to bring in terms of judging to a circus festival? Like yeah as a judge or as a competitor? As a performer, yeah, as a performer that doesn't typically judge empty
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That's a good question, I don't really know um really know. I don't know. I know I want to see like...
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what the point of view is towards like a from the performer. ah i would love to see how they see dance through piece technique and how they see like um this discipline, like how they like I know some some there's like a lot of going out of a aerial mixed with floor work. I love to see that. I'm really big fan of that. so I know some people are really big into like the spinning technique and really using the momentum of the spin as like ah it almost a different type of...
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ah way of doing aerials. Yeah, I'm excited to discover and to see what everyone is, what's their take on um the discipline and how did they experience it and how they, what is the thing that they they really like about it. and yeah And can you tell us a little bit about your background and your competitive experience in circus festivals?
Background in Circus and Ballet
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it's really high. You're very accomplished. And you've had some really big wins. And I know that that's informing your presence here at VivaFest.
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and So I started as a... I did conservatory of a ballet before and then I went into circus and when I discovered dance rupees like this was really
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really nice for me just like the the being able to like use still the but background of dancing because the dance piece goes up and down and it spins and can swing and go around so I still had access to the floor and this contact also with the air and going high so This what really is what got me into circus really, is like that dance to piece element that could bring my background into the air kind of.
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Then what did I do? i I was in Zumanity for a
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I worked with Sutter Soli on different projects, Seven Fingers. and Yeah, I've done the some festival, Young Stage Festival. It's really, really nice one.
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won gold. I won gold. It's a small part. And i did Cirque du Demand, which is another really big festival. It was my my dream to to do those two. So that was very nice.
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I also won gold at Cirque Demand. And yeah, I was happy to retire from my competitive experience after that. I was like, okay, good.
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That's perfect. And for like performers that haven't been in the circus festival experience like you did, do you think that that was really important and informed like the rest of your professional career as an emerging artist? Yeah, yeah, for sure. For me, the way I viewed festival was a platform to kind of share my work.
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Really, I wasn't really going like for me, it was really important to be at a level that I was happy with and to have like kind of ah an act and a concept that was like well rehearsed. And I wasn't really going into a trying to like get better or get feedback or stuff, i it was more like a ah way to present where I was at as ah an aerialist.
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So what I would say is, I think any and way to go for it is a good way, but for me I was very happy that I I actually got rejected ah few times when I applied but I was so happy because then the moment that I got to do it you know I won gold and everything but it's it's also because ah had more years to rework um my my concept, my musicality, the the tricks and how like how to take off stuff also because
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Sometimes you just want to put all of your technique and then you don't get to enjoy as much your act.
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And it gets, doesn't translate also necessarily to the audience or the the the jury because you're so into your technique elements so I really learned through that process to cut out some stuff, carve out things and I think I we that went really out of the question but yeah yeah be it for me to the festival experience was I was happy to do it when I was ready to share what I had.
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But I think it's also a really great way to go for it. Super like low expectation and just meet lot of people and get feedback on your stuff.
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Yeah, I think that's really beneficial and that's really great feedback for maybe artists that don't know if they should go through the festival circuit or if they should just you know go straight and be professional and working.
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But also too, I think like the networking aspect of being at a circus festival like VivaFest or Cirque du Demand is really critical to maybe the rest of how your career can go. Yeah, for sure. It's
Networking for Career Growth at Circus Festivals
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ah it's really a place where... Not in necessarily a stressful like network kind of situation, just like, you know,
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like meeting people, making friends, see who you you connect with because anyway you want to work with people that you connect with you know if you don't want to just sell yourself to any company or anyone that you don't really have a artistic like or not artistic but whatever like a connection so I think just like even going to festivals sometimes without competing, but just being there, see what is being done around and yeah and and and connecting with a different... And also like not being afraid to... if there's aerialists or companies that you really like to just like
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in in those contexts of festival, go talk to them and say that what you like about them and just start a conversation. i used to be so shy and so like, I'm very introverted so these contexts sometimes are stressful but yeah, I feel like finding the like just human way to organically like tell people what I like about their companies or their stuff and then is a for me it's been really helpful to like dare to like, okay, I'm gonna go tell them that I really like their work as a company or like as an artist and to dare to do that. And and this is, these are, i feel like safe environments like those festivals to do that. Like Viva Fest, like just walking around everything is so, it is a competition of course, but
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It feels like everybody is approachable and just really wants to give the best experience for everyone. so
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I love that. do you have some words of wisdom for those competing in VivaFest for the rest of the competition? and also too for those like you know wanting to participate in VivaFest or in a festival in the future but like some inspo of how to carry yourself and you know kind of how to feel when you are in this space because we know sometimes it can be stressful but we are here to have fun and to enjoy and to allow people to support our circus journey and to support our career at any space that we're in. So some last words of wisdom because Arthur has to go and judge VivaFest. And so thank you again, Arthur, for coming to the Circuspreneur podcast live VivaFest. We really appreciate it We know you're cramming in a lot of things. You're teaching, you're judging, and you're also a great guest on the podcast. So just ah a one or two minutes and then we'll let you go.
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my pleasure. I'm super happy to be here.
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Yeah, think just like everybody says that but it's true just like have fun with like enjoy those opportunities to be on stage and to have an audience and people that are here to like help you and give you feedback in ah in ah in a way that's gonna make you grow as a artist.
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Yeah, to just enjoy it. If I would say something is to Maybe people would disagree with that, but like to do like a, sometimes an easier routine is a way that you can be more into it a hundred percent and have a lot of pleasure into it. And this will transpire also um onto the the audience because they see, oh, they have a good time. They're not like rushing on the music or they're not like,
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You know, like, and of course sometimes it's really cool so to challenge ourselves and like put a really big trick and stuff, but yeah, I think more and more i like to take all the stage opportunity that I have with them mindset of just like having fun and take pleasure of being able to share that with an audience. And ah random stuff, I would say, is For me doing acts, I love like just, don't know, it's maybe basic, but just like doing a mood board, like finding some music, like images, random like texts from books or even from podcasts or stuff and kind of build your your universe. And I think it's for me really helped and i think it's really nice to have this kind of
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Even if it's a background thing and it doesn't really is something that is a obvious in your performance, when you have those back thoughts behind your act, then it makes it more unique, you know? And for me, that it has been a really fun part of my circus life is creating acts and having this process of Yeah, finding random stuff that I like and bringing it into my acts. So
Performance Tips for Audience Engagement
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i encourage you to have fun with that.
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Yes, that was beautifully put, beautifully said, and you are a beautiful, beautiful aerialist and a beautiful artist, Arsir, and enjoy the hours of judging. Yeah, I'm excited.
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It is upon you. know It's very fun and I had an amazing time when I judged at Peter Fess the other year. had a fantastic, fantastic time just, you know, supporting the artists and seeing them from my own perspective, which all of our perspectives are different from depending on which circus background we come from.
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So it's a really amazing opportunity to be here and to, you know, support. the emerging artists and the emerging pros. So thank you again, Akhto. We'll let you go. And yeah, enjoy the rest of your time here. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you for having Bye.
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Bye. Do I click the fan? Yes.
Adam Vasquez's Circus Journey and Teaching
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we had to pivot. The Instagram Live for some reason did not want to work, so we are just using my phone and we have Adam Vasquez here at the Circuspreneur podcast live at the Viva Fest in Las Vegas. And thank you so much, Adam, for coming on to the podcast. How are you today? I'm good, thank you. Thanks for having me Yeah, of course, Adam. And you have kids competing today or you're competing at VivaFest this year. And um yeah, can you tell us obviously first a little bit about who you are and what brings you to this year's VivaFest?
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I'm Adam Vasquez. i I was part of the hand-to-hand duo ANA. I recently stopped performing ah two years ago and I'm retired now from performing in circus and my wife and I have started a circus school a few years back.
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So tomorrow InfoFest we're gonna have about 10 kids competing in the festival. Wow, 10 kids! That's a lot. so lot Four generations of circus background. Everybody might know Circus Vasquez. I'm related to them. My father was one of the founders of the of the circus.
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And I've been performing or perform for 30 years or so, multiple disciplines until I started doing hand-to-hand. Wow, yes. So Adam comes from a very long lineage um of circus families, which is you know is really kind of like a conversation we've had, Adam, in the past of like what's fundamental to the circus industry, right? This is more of a modern circus festival, and we've discussed you know the importance of you know, knowing your history of the circus arts. And I thought that it was really important to have you as a guest today, um as a live for the Viva Festival, of Viva Fest, because here, you know, again, it's more of like modern circus and it's more of present day. But I think it's really important to remember that there is history in circus and that we have come from a lineage of of of circus families. and of circus industry people before us. And so what do you think is important to um to remind or to educate for environments now that are emerging into the circus arts industry, Adam?
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yeah I think it's really important to understand that the tradition of circus where it comes from ah how long circus has been around there has been a lot of openings where you know like we're it's more of modern circus right everybody takes a little bit of what they have seen in circus and try to create some sort of a new venture with it but I believe that the more that these things keep going, a lot of times we lose track of where it really comes from.
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And there's no history for people to understand what they're actually doing and why they're doing it and how they got to do it. And so I think it's important to keep that in mind that the traditional circus has been around for a very long time. And that's why we're actually here today.
Importance of Circus History and Traditions
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Is it something that you instill in your students at your studio? And can you tell us a little bit about your circus school that you have here locally in Las Vegas? Absolutely, yeah. So I do come from ah four generations of circus and with our students,
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We like to share a lot of our history, our history of performing and our family's history and the people that we get to work with and how we get to travel and we get to see a lot of different circuses that have been around for hundreds of years.
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So we do share that a lot with our students. it's ah It's a fundamental part of our classes to understand, you know, the love of art of circus and how we get to now be able to do it and to teach it ourselves.
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and what they may be able to get to do in the future. To be an artist is a very special, it's very honorable, I think. it's ah It's a big blessing to do what we do as artists. I think it's a it's really amazing what we get to do in in in the lifestyle of circus.
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And how what advice would you give for artists that are competing in a circus festival like VivaFest? And what are the differences, for example, between more of like a traditional circus festival and a modern circus festival like we are having ah at VivaFest this year?
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or Do you see differences or do you think that they're pretty similar? Well, there's there's certainly differences on what's happening at, for example, here at the BeagleFest.
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it's It's a great way to open up the doors for the circus to get more involved and and have a goal to be part of, especially for the city, right? You know, kids that want to take part in these classes in different places, different studios, ah it gives them you know an opportunity to show what they're capable of doing and and you know depending on who's who's coaching them and what they're gonna do it for.
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There is a big difference though I think on a festival like this as a circus traditional festival. we're you know Most of the time it's it's inside of a big circus tent.
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It's held by, you know, a a family that's had maybe been around for hundreds of years and judges that come in, you know, they've seen and been there and done that internationally and there's a lot of, you get to see pretty much all the types of circus acts that there is, you know, a lot more ground acts, thrilling acts.
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Of course, the venue allows you to bring those props in when we're in these kind of festivals, the venues are smaller and of course the the level of difficulty is different so you use what you can.
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But you know the festival is growing. This is this is a great festival. Every year it so there's a lot more kids coming in They set up the tent this year so they're gonna be able to do other kinds of acts in there and I think it's i think it's great. But there there there is a big difference.
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What is your perspective in, you know, you've competed obviously and performed for many, many years and then now you're on the different, you know, on the on the other side of that in terms of, ah you know, creating and crafting artists that can compete, that can have, you know, eventually a professional performance career and what are the differences, do you think, that in perspectives and how you see this environment versus when you were competing and performing inside of the circus?
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um Sure, I mean, are are when we did compete in circus and the festivals, like I said, it's it's more of a traditional festival. And you know, you you get to shake hands with a North Korean and a Chinese and a Russian and all these people get together. and's so It's a wonderful ah to take part of.
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um But more to your exact question would be... Well, like what are the different perspectives? I know like when I'm here competing, I'm in a very different mind frame than when I'm judging VivaFest. And so, you know, bringing like your different perspectives in because you're so multifaceted, you've pretty much done it all. And not everyone has the opportunity to be inside of a circus competition as a competitor and then also prepare students.
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an artist to go into the space too. Right. So what do you feel is the as is the different perspectives and kind of the different feelings that you have in being in the environment in different and in assuming different roles, I guess?
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Sure. um I mean, part of the competition is you get this adrenaline rush, right? And some people do want to compete for for the medals. Some people want to compete just to show their beautiful art. Some people compete to be seen, hopefully be seen by by a wonderful future company. And so it's really a different kind of mindset. we and on On our side at school, we tell them about all those fine sets and that it's wonderful to to come in and be part of something and to take something home.
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But really it's the experience to see how you react, how you get to be in front of the the public. What the judges say, you know, everybody has a different point of view on your performance.
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You know, some people like different things or look at technique in different ways or they're looking for different things inside the the routines that you do. Myself, i I also did gymnastics before, so I was a little bit lucky because I was i was a gymnast and i performed I competed as a gymnast.
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And as a sport, you know, it's a big difference coming in from sport, that stress that you get from the coaching and all the training that you do. And you know, you've got to get that perfect 10. And so there is a lot of pressure coming in from gymnastic competition. i did a a pretty high level of gymnastics. And so living through that and then getting onto the stage and then getting to do the festivals, it was a completely different mindset for me. Because I had already gone through all that stress of performing perfection of routines for judges, right?
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Where here in ah in a circus, now you're trying to perform an art, right? You may have very high skills, but how you perform that can be seen very differently and how the audience gets to to react. So in the festival, i you know I always like to still always perform for the audience that is watching and and to show my yeah soul of of why I've been training so hard to be able to do what I do on stage and to share that with everybody and hopefully you know they they grasp that passion you know of of the of the performance but there is a a difference of sports and festivals and here obviously you know when you're young and you're you're coming in you're always going to have that nervousness, right? and what you do with it is going to teach you along the way and give you the experience to the following year do a little bit better and better. And I think it's great to do it. You know, it's great to to give students and the opportunity to be on stage and to to let them feel that little bit of stress, but to let them understand that that they're there for a reason. The reason is for the art of circus, to just enjoy what what they're doing.
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yeah What do you think the importance is in terms of circus festivals locally in Las Vegas and supporting these types of efforts, these types of initiatives, um and also to having your circus school? What do you think is the importance of supporting these local efforts? Because it's not easy to do a circus festival. It's very expensive.
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There are a lot of moving parts that it takes to pull off Aviva Fest. There's also a lot of moving parts that it takes to pull off in Integral Arts. the circus school and the circus program that you have that you keep developing and evolving.
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What do you think the important part in advocating, I would say, for local circus initiatives so that we can continue to draw people in in terms of circus festivals and circus schools and not necessarily only just traditional circus performing work because they're different. Well, I think it's extremely important to be to take part in these in these festivals and to to show support.
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ah you know First and foremost, it it it creates the environment for kids to be able to do more things in their life. yeah you know it's It's a great way to to be involved and to support such a thing.
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Bringing in the art form of circus, it's you know especially in this city, I think it's it's great. And I think we should get a lot of support from not just the circus community, but the actual community of the city and the state, possibly, to understand what we're doing here. And we're giving lot back.
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you know a lot back for these kids, these children that are trying to be yeah um exploring and and find something that it's actually something that they might be able to do for the rest of their lives.
00:30:32
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Just like any anything else within school, science and math or or taking part in sports, you know. But this is an art form, just like ballet is, and and taking musical lessons. So I think ah taking, giving support to these events, it's it's very important.
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Right. And speaking to like the broader community, right, and outside of our community, which I've thought is very important to bring folks inside of this community that aren't traditionally inside of it, because we can kind of, I think, live in a little bit of a fishbowl. And when we, you know, reach out to folks that are outside of this community and industry and show them the support that we do need, we can leverage um the different communities that they're inside of and then bringing them ah into the circus arts. You know, I also wanted to touch on a little bit Adam of the perspectives and the support that you would give to parents that are interested and maybe on the fence of putting their children inside of something that could potentially turn into them competing at Beaver Fest with their children because to me the whole family is competing. I mean, it's really like a very well-rounded effort when you have your child in either gymnastics or or a circus, it's very full on. It really just takes a community to support a career in that way. So what would you suggest to parents that don't know a lot about this industry or maybe just starting out and want to kind of dive in deeper and are looking for support in terms of what they can do to uplift their children in the circus arts?
Supporting Children's Involvement in Circus Arts
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yeah. I mean, a lot of people don't know about the circus arts. The parents don't don't know what it is until they come into a class and they start to to give give a class for for their children and they start to say, oh, wow, there's there's a lot going on here. yeah um I think that that it goes hand in handin hand with the the studio that they're at and and and the circus school that they may they may be training at and the coaches that they have to help the parents get more information of of circus and and how internationally renowned it really is.
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And, you know, Strait du Soleil is always, everybody knows what Strait du Soleil is. And that's that's that's that's great because ah it gives the parents an opportunity to understand where their their children could be somewhere in the future with these beautiful stages and tents. and and But it's not only that, right? it's all we have We come from a traditional circus.
00:32:47
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And so a little bit of history, you know, they could do, when they meet the coaches, they can always ask questions. They can ask a question. who Who started doing these type of apparatuses and why do they do these apparatuses and and Anybody famous they could look up and there's so many things on on YouTube now on websites That it's very easy and to see and it's beautiful. i mean there's so many things out there um Almost anything you look up history of circus. You're gonna see that it was a big big event Something that nobody thought people could do
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and and the people that get involved at the end of the day. you know in In Europe, for the most part, you know a lot of these festivals, you have presidents show up, you know you have princes, you know royalties show up.
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yeah and There's a lot of of a history that goes into this and here unfortunately we don't have enough of that. So I encourage the parents to do a little bit of of their own research and to ask a lot of questions wherever they may be taking their kids to.
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And maybe we can reach out to Prince Harry and and the Duchess of Sussex. Absolutely. Maybe we can get them here at the Big Fest. Sure, that sure. Yeah, that that would be great. yeah the royalty into into into the American circus scene. Well you know the British people have a lot of circus, it's a great circus so yeah.
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We'll get on that, that'll be that'll be our next initiative. We're inviting you over.
Conclusion and Advocacy for Circus Arts
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We're inviting you on over Prince Harry and Duchess of Sussex. Megan, we'd appreciate you but thank you so much Adam Adam Vasquez of the Adam Vasquez's we appreciate you for coming on to the podcast today the Circus Paneur podcast we have been live everyone at VivaFest I'm sure you can hear the VivaFest competition happening just ah behind us or below us there's such amazing circus going on and if you have the opportunity please come check it out either this year or next year whenever we end up putting this episode out but it's been really really great we want to say an extra special thank you to the Viva Fest for having us today and I also too want to give a big shout out to our sponsor which is stagelink.com and this Circuspreneur podcast is also available on stagelink.com as stagelink.com the groundbreaking new platform for live performing arts that provides unmatched access and connection to this vibrant world of shows and entertainment
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Thank you again, everyone. I'm your host, Shanae Stiletto. I really appreciate everyone that tuned in to our live, and we will be putting this episode out. on YouTube and across all platforms and it'll be available on stage link as well so you can go back and Enjoy if you weren't able to see us on Instagram live and we really appreciate everyone for coming out and thank you again to and thank you for being such a great advocate for the circus We try agree has we try He tries, we all try.
00:35:55
Speaker
We're all doing our part and i appreciate everyone that's doing their part to continue to educate and uplift the circus arts industry based locally here in Las Vegas and worldwide because we are an international family and it's our you know it's our initiative to remind everyone how interconnected we are as a circus community and as a circus industry. Keep on advocating everyone. Remember we are the Circus Arts Guild of America. as well and we have our online petition at change.org we also have our petition here to support Cirque workers and Cirque performers it's our petition here at VivaFest if you want to sign it when you're here this weekend thank you again everyone and yep we're gonna log off