Curtis sits down with Offerday AI founder Robert Ashjian to explore how his nonlinear career—from landscaping entrepreneur to biochemist, military service, and operational excellence leader—shaped his mission to reinvent hiring. Robert shares how overwhelming applicant volume, slow processes, and subjective evaluation leave great talent unseen and how technology can help recruiting teams find the best, not simply the first, candidates who apply. They discuss the future of hiring in an AI-accelerated world, the importance of removing unconscious bias, and why HR leaders must “do technology with people, not to them” if they want change to stick.

About Mark:

With a career spanning various industries across large corporate organizations, the military, and various startups, Robert has gained valuable insights across many aspects of business. Having made key hiring decisions throughout his career, he is excited to change the hiring landscape. With his latest company, he is dedicated to making hiring a faster process with better quality of hire results.

Robert Ashjian: AI, Speed, and Fair Access to Opportunity

In this episode, Curtis sits down with Mark Stelzner, the founder and managing principal of IA, to explore what truly drives meaningful organizational transformation. With three decades advising C-suite leaders, Mark shares how his “no-codependency” approach empowers organizations to build capability, act with courage, and pursue change without relying on consultants forever.

Mark and Curtis dig into why org design is being reshaped by AI, how to uncover inefficiencies leaders often miss, and why transparency and truth-telling matter now more than ever. They also discuss employee-driven signals for change, the pitfalls of long-range planning, and the skills leaders need to navigate a rapidly shifting workplace. It’s a candid, human-centered look at what it takes to lead through uncertainty and help organizations evolve with intention.

About Mark:

Mark Stelzner is the founder and managing principal of IA, an advisory firm that helps organizations of all sizes and sectors achieve their transformation goals. With over 30 years of experience in the industry, Mark is a trusted advisor to C-level leaders, offering unbiased and candid guidance on complex and strategic initiatives.

As a recognized thought leader in the HR technology and transformation space, he has been featured across hundreds of major media, industry, podcast, webinar, and live event platforms. Mark co-authors a monthly column on HR transformation for Human Resource Executive, has been named a Top 100 HR Technology influencer for seven consecutive years, and is passionate about fostering relationships, sharing insights, and creating value for his clients, partners, and peers.

Navigating Change with Courage with Mark Stelzner

In this episode of MustardHub Voices: Behind the Build, Curtis sits down with Brandon Amoroso—co-founder and CEO of SCALIS—to explore how broken hiring systems inspired him to build a fully integrated, AI-powered recruiting platform. After scaling and exiting a 50-person agency, Brandon saw the same pain points over and over: unqualified applicants, bad job recommendations, data loss across disconnected tools, and no feedback loops to improve match quality. Combined with his brother’s surreal job recommendations, those experiences pushed them to solve the problem at its root.

Brandon shares how SCALIS consolidates sourcing, ATS, and AI-based workflows into one engine, closing the loop between recruiter actions and algorithmic learning. He also breaks down the role of Bella, their agentic AI recruiter, and the real-world challenges companies face when adopting AI in hiring. Curtis and Brandon dive into the future of HR tech, the shrinking of entry-level roles, the return of in-person interviewing, and what great leaders do to create connection in remote teams.

About Brandon:

Brandon Amoroso is the founder of Shopify Plus agency Electriq and a 2023 Forbes 30under30 Miami awardee. He built the agency to oversee more than 55 brands and 45 team members in just three years before DRINKS.com acquired it in April 2022. Since the acquisition, he continues to run the agency while overseeing DRINKS' strategic partnership with Shopify and the DRINKS App, the world’s first real-time alcohol tax and compliance solution integrated natively into Shopify’s checkout.

Brandon is passionate about building businesses in industries that are rife with inefficiencies and legacy biases and processes. His new startup, SCALIS, was cofounded last year with his brother Parker, a recent graduate of Stanford, after Brandon’s frustrations with the hiring process and difficulty finding qualified and diverse talent, and Parker’s experience applying for internships. SCALIS is the world’s first fully-integrated job board and ATS platform, leveraging AI and machine learning to democratize hiring by matching relevant candidates with relevant employers.

Brandon Amoroso on Solving Recruiting’s Biggest Breakdowns

In this episode of MustardHub Voices: Behind the Build, Curtis sits down with Daniel Altenburg, co-founder of ZipDev, a remote staffing company connecting U.S. and Canadian businesses with top talent across Latin America. Daniel shares his winding path from hospitality in Palm Desert to recruiting in Peru, and how a simple favor for a friend exposed a massive talent gap that sparked the idea for ZipDev. Today, ZipDev recruits across 16 countries and supports both fast-growing startups and established companies looking for long-term, culturally aligned talent.

Daniel also opens up about what it takes to build a meaningful culture inside fully distributed teams. He highlights the intentional touchpoints that keep people engaged when there’s no office to gather in. He and Curtis dive deep into the future of work, from hybrid models and AI to leadership traits that still matter most: authenticity, human connection, and treating remote team members like true members of the organization.

About Daniel:

Daniel Altenburg is the Co-Founder of Zipdev, a remote staffing company that helps U.S. and Canadian businesses scale with top talent from Latin America. Daniel’s journey started in hospitality and recruiting, where he learned that business is built on relationships, not transactions. Over the past decade, Zipdev has been recognized on the Inc. 5000 and by the Financial Times as one of the fastest-growing companies in the Americas. At his core, Daniel is driven by connection, whether it’s leading his team, serving entrepreneurs, or being present with his family.

Daniel is passionate about growth in all areas in life: always reading, learning, and pushing himself outside of his comfort zone.

Palm Desert to Peru: Daniel Altenburg on Building Remote-First Teams

In this episode of MustardHub Voices: Behind the Build, host Curtis Forbes sits down with Biz Williams, CRO at HRLogics  and founder of Ryze Credits, to explore how a designer-turned-sales-leader built one of the fastest-growing compliance and tax-credit startups in the HR tech space. Biz shares her journey from creative beginnings to closing a $1.4 million revenue run in just three months, then merging with HR Logix to expand a full suite of compliance and credit-management tools.

Together, they dive into the leadership lessons behind her success—from earning trust through empathy to identifying real team players and future leaders. Biz unpacks how automation and AI are reshaping HR operations, why human judgment still matters, and what today’s executives can learn from listening to their people. Packed with insight, humor, and heart, this conversation is a masterclass in leading with transparency, scaling with purpose, and building relationships that last longer than any contract.

About Biz:

Elizabeth “Biz” Williams is a SaaS industry veteran with 14 years of experience in the space. She created Ryze Credits in 2024, which she sold to HRlogics in June 2025. Subsequently, she joined HRlogistics in the role of CRO.

Trust, Teams, and Tax Credit Innovation with Biz Williams

In this episode of MustardHub Voices: Behind the Build, host Curtis Forbes talks with Summer Rogers, founder of The Product Canopy and former VP of Product at Cornerstone OnDemand. Summer shares how two decades in HR tech and B2B SaaS led her to build a consulting practice focused on helping early- and growth-stage companies connect strategy, story, and execution.

She and Curtis dig into the warning signs of a “wobbly” product organization, how to balance innovation with customer needs, and why clarity in leadership communication can make or break culture. Summer also offers practical, actionable advice for leaders in this episode. It’s an engaging look at what it means to build products and teams that thrive when people can truly see both the forest and the trees.

About Summer:

Summer Rogers is the Founder of The Product Canopy, a boutique consulting firm that helps B2B SaaS and HR Tech companies build scalable product foundations. A seasoned product leader and former VP at Cornerstone OnDemand, Summer specializes in connecting strategy, story, and execution — guiding early and growth-stage teams from vision to velocity. Through her structured frameworks and Fractional CPO engagements, she helps founders and teams align product, go-to-market, and leadership practices for sustainable growth. Her philosophy is simple: great products — like great teams — thrive when people see both the forest and the trees.

Summer Rogers: Seeing the Forest and the Trees in Product and Leadership

In this episode of MustardHub Voices: Behind the Build, Curtis Forbes talks with Jocelyn King, founder and CEO of Virgil HR, a SaaS platform helping HR professionals make compliant decisions in real time. Jocelyn shares her path from philosophy major to HR executive to tech founder… and how her frustration with the complexity of labor laws sparked the idea for Virgil HR.

Curtis and Jocelyn explore where companies most often go wrong—from wage errors to employee misclassification—and why compliance mistakes can be devastating for small businesses.

Jocelyn also looks ahead to how AI and predictive risk tools will reshape HR, and why leaders must invest in upskilling, tech literacy, and organizational change readiness. Her practical take on building adaptable, forward-thinking teams makes this a must-listen for anyone shaping the next era of HR.

About Jocelyn:

Jocelyn King is the CEO and Founder of VirgilHR, a SaaS platform that helps HR professionals make compliant employment decisions in real time through an intelligent chatbot that delivers instant employment and labor law guidance. With a career dedicated to human resources, she has supported both high-growth startups and public companies, building deep expertise across all areas of HR, including serving as the Vice President of North America, Human Resources for Ocado Group and Vice President of Human Resources for Cybrary. Jocelyn is recognized for her ability to develop HR strategy, manage multi-state and global employee relations, and foster diverse, high-performing cultures. Her long-standing experience in the technology sector has strengthened her understanding of how tech and HR intersect, enabling her to lead VirgilHR into the future of HR innovation.

The Future of Compliant Workplaces with Jocelyn King

Greg Fulk’s career has spanned military service, commercial land development, wealth management, and even a side hustle building saunas—but it was a knock at the door from the FBI that changed everything. That moment led Greg to create OrgIQ, a proactive workforce intelligence platform that gives HR teams unprecedented visibility into what’s happening inside their organizations. In this episode, Greg shares with Curtis how a $5 million fraud case exposed blind spots in internal communication—and how AI can now uncover the patterns humans miss. He explains OrgIQ’s three-layer approach: lightning-fast search, meta-analysis of communication patterns, and sentiment tagging, which together help HR identify both risks and hidden cultural strengths. Greg also reflects on how this technology helps overcome common management biases, like recency effects in reviews, and empowers HR to act with the same clarity and foresight once reserved for compliance teams.

About Greg:

Greg is an accomplished executive known for blending strategic vision with hands-on leadership. He has a diverse background which ranges from military service to commercial land development to wealth management. In his current role as CEO and Founder of Org IQ, he helps HR and Execs find the very best (and very worst) of what's happening inside their company.

From FBI Visits to AI Insights with Greg Fulk

Zech Dahms didn’t set out to become a culture strategist. Initially fascinated by zoology, his curiosity for human behavior eventually led him to organizational psychology—and to a career centered on transforming workplace experience. As President of Achieve Engagement and Head of Community at the EX Leadership Network, Zech helps HR leaders turn strategy into measurable impact. In this conversation with Curtis, Zech traces his journey from people officer roles to advisory work to leading a global HR community, sharing how intentional design—not chance—shapes employee experience. He explains how Achieve Engagement equips leaders with frameworks, peer-to-peer learning, and strategic playbooks that help organizations tackle performance and retention challenges. They also explore the power of community as a force multiplier for HR leaders, especially those operating solo or in lean teams. Zech’s insights show how culture, when intentionally cultivated, can unlock both individual growth and organizational transformation.

About Zech:

Zech Dahms is President of Achieve Engagement and Head of Community & EX Strategy for the EX Leadership Network, where he helps HR leaders turn employee experience into measurable business outcomes.He has designed and led 200+ programs and convenes 75+ annual masterclasses, webcasts, and Leadership EXchanges for a 30,000+ HR community. Zech’s work focuses on building AI-enabled, skills-based organizations, strategic employee listening, and performance cultures that scale. On stage and in advisory roles, he’s known for practical frameworks, peer-to-peer learning, and bold, actionable playbooks that move teams from strategy to execution.

Zech Dahms: Building Communities That Transform Workplaces

Nat Salvione has spent more than two decades in the gift card and rewards industry, and his passion for the work hasn’t dimmed. As Chief Commercial Officer at GiftBit, Nat leads the company’s expansion and partnerships while championing a simpler, more meaningful approach to incentives. In this episode, Nat and Curtis dive into why gift cards have a uniquely lasting impact compared to cash, drawing on compelling studies that show how employees remember not just receiving a gift card—but what they earned it for and how they used it. Nat reflects on his journey from reviewing fraud transactions in the early 2000s to shaping modern employee recognition programs, sharing personal stories that highlight the emotional resonance of well-designed rewards. Together, they examine where most recognition programs miss the mark, how companies can remove friction while staying financially sound, and why understanding individuals—not just budgets—is the key to building recognition that truly sticks.

About Nat:

Nat Salvione is the Chief Commercial Officer at Giftbit, a digital rewards and incentives platform that helps organizations connect more meaningfully with customers, employees, and partners. With over 20 years of experience in the industry, Nat leads Giftbit’s expansion, partnerships, and go-to-market strategy. He brings a deep passion for the gift card and rewards space, helping businesses unlock innovative ways to engage and build lasting relationships.

The Gift That Keeps on Giving with Nat Salvione

Explore what truly creates workplace happiness, builds a better culture, and drives greater engagement for the entire workforce — from the suits in the C-suite to team members on the frontlines. Get real-world insights and practical strategies to recognize, retain, elevate, and empower teams. From engaging interviews with thought leaders in our Voices web series to step-by-step how-tos, MustardHub helps you operationalize great culture and design the workplace of tomorrow... today. MustardHub Voices: Behind The Build addresses these hot topics and more with business leaders, entrepreneurs, HR professionals, consultants, coaches, researchers, and other brilliant minds committed to building, engaging, and elevating culture-driven, high-performing teams.

Fireside Chats: Behind The Build

MustardHub Voices: From the Frontlines takes you inside the businesses where great leadership happens in real time. Hear from owners, operators, and managers who aren’t behind closed doors — they’re right there with their teams, serving customers, solving problems, and setting the tone. From healthcare and childcare to retail, hospitality, home services, and more, our guests share what it really takes to keep people engaged, operations running smoothly, and customers coming back. You’ll walk away with actionable ideas, inspiring stories, and a deeper look at how leaders make an impact where the work and the magic  happen

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