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Speaker: Hey, thanks for tuning in to Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
Speaker: This is episode number 36.
Speaker: 46.
Speaker: 36.
Speaker: Yeah, 36.
Speaker: Back back in time.
Speaker: With me, my co-captain, as always.
Speaker: Scott Larson.
Speaker: Hey, Scott.
Speaker: And let's talk about the friends of the podcast.
Speaker: I'll shoot out a couple.
Speaker: If I miss a couple, you let me know.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: So, first and foremost, if you haven't been living under a rock, you have seen that Avengers premiums come out.
Speaker: Avengers Infinity Quest, Guns N' Roses.
Speaker: Um, we're still on the cusp of maybe, I don't know, uh, CGC coming out with something.
Speaker: And, uh, if you're looking for that new game, go to flipping out Zach many and Nicole, many will get you taken care of.
Speaker: They've got some wonderful machines there.
Speaker: And, uh,
Speaker: I've got a pro Jurassic Park coming on the way this next week.
Speaker: Zach's got me taken care of.
Speaker: I'm very happy with the service.
Speaker: He's gotten me taken care of on everything.
Speaker: I had some issues with my Turtles play field and he got it resolved.
Speaker: I'm excited.
Speaker: Great customer service.
Speaker: We've got Brian Allen with Flyland Designs.
Speaker: If you haven't checked out his artwork, you should go check it out.
Speaker: He just came out with some new art blades for Attack for Mars and for Monster Bash, and they look amazing, coupled with his Translites.
Speaker: So go check those out.
Speaker: I messaged him and said, you need to do it for Medieval Madness, because I will put them in my game.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: And then Brad Hunter with lit frames.
Speaker: That man's lit frames look fantastic.
Speaker: I got mine on the wall right here.
Speaker: Got turned on with the total nuclear annihilation.
Speaker: Sorry, total annihilation.
Speaker: Wait, fudge.
Speaker: Total nuclear.
Speaker: No, nuclear.
Speaker: It's nuclear.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Nuclear annihilation in it.
Speaker: And it looks fantastic.
Speaker: This Week in Pinball, if you're looking for your updated news, you want all the scoops up front, go to This Week in Pinball.
Speaker: Very non-biased, wonderful stuff.
Speaker: So if you're looking for that newsworthy stuff, you don't really want to scan Pinside.
Speaker: Jeff Patterson does all the scanning for you and gives you the update on Mondays, Tuesdays.
Speaker: What is it?
Speaker: Thursdays now?
Speaker: It seems like he's always updating that stuff.
Speaker: He seems to always be doing stuff.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: All Things Pinball.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I who else we got here, Scott?
Speaker: So a good friend, Timothy Purcell.
Speaker: He has his blog, the pinball loft.com and he got an Avengers.
Speaker: Actually, I talked him into an Avengers.
Speaker: I tipped him off that it was going to be an L one and a Yeti game.
Speaker: And so he got in on the LE action.
Speaker: So you can go and read his review on the Avengers LE and see what he thinks about it.
Speaker: After, obviously, we talk about it tonight.
Speaker: Heck yes.
Speaker: And that brings us to a good point.
Speaker: Let's talk about what's been going on in our pinball lives because we've done a couple interviews these last couple weeks and we haven't really talked about what we've been doing with pinball personally.
Speaker: So what's been going on with you, Scott?
Speaker: Well, you know what?
Speaker: So I did have a small unboxing party.
Speaker: We are spiking Corona wise in Utah.
Speaker: And so it seems a common thread is if there's food involved, but I was having people come over to help me move something.
Speaker: So I, you know, I was trying to have food.
Speaker: So we cooked the food, but we did wear masks and opened up Avengers.
Speaker: I brought it downstairs to my basement down the stairs of death.
Speaker: And then we did food, but I had hand sanitizer at the beginning.
Speaker: And so they would do that because obviously you're gonna touch the same spoon and utensils and serving things all the way down.
Speaker: So that was fun.
Speaker: Had a few people come out and help me move that.
Speaker: Also X-Men is going away.
Speaker: I think emotionally I've just gone through X-Men and there's not really much else I'm going to do with that game.
Speaker: So there's only so much space.
Speaker: And I think that's part of the pinball journey is being able to figure out how to buy and sell.
Speaker: Selling is the hardest part for me, as I've said before.
Speaker: Um, and, uh, yeah, so I really have three new games.
Speaker: Well, three relatively new games that I still have yet to scratch the surface on code.
Speaker: I have Jurassic park.
Speaker: I have Teenage Beast Ninja Turtles and I have infinity quest and, uh, that's really my pinball update.
Speaker: What about you, Josh?
Speaker: So, um, I just got a random bug the other day and I decided it's time.
Speaker: It's time to get rid of an attack from Mars.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I'm kind of like you where what needs to stay, what needs to go, or you're emotionally done with it.
Speaker: Attack for Mars took on the role of Grailpin for a long time for me.
Speaker: along with Medieval Madness.
Speaker: And I had a Revenge for Mars for the longest time.
Speaker: And if you've never played a Revenge for Mars, besides the screen that comes down onto the playfield, there's not really much difference.
Speaker: Because, I mean, besides it being a little smaller, it's flipped.
Speaker: It's just a mirrored playfield.
Speaker: So like Tron is to X-Men.
Speaker: But you get kind of the same feel of it.
Speaker: And I've enjoyed it.
Speaker: I've had my Attack for Mars for almost three years now.
Speaker: And so I have a really small collection and I sold Monster Bash back in June to get Turtles.
Speaker: I got some money left over.
Speaker: I'm like, you know what?
Speaker: Let's get rid of Attack for Mars.
Speaker: I got the JP Pro coming and I've got Avengers Premium coming.
Speaker: And so I go from a three to four collection.
Speaker: And then I bought...
Speaker: I don't know if we talked about this, but I got a Lethal Weapon and a Flintstones within that time too, within the last couple months.
Speaker: Bought them with just the sole intention of selling them.
Speaker: I know that's terrible of me.
Speaker: But I figured I'd never played these games.
Speaker: I heard they're fantastic.
Speaker: I'll keep them for a couple weeks, then I'll put them up for sale.
Speaker: And they sold quick and without hesitation.
Speaker: People jumped on them.
Speaker: And so they're both gone now.
Speaker: Both families that got them are very happy with them.
Speaker: And I think it's because, man...
Speaker: Prices are going crazy right now for the used market on pinball machines.
Speaker: It's ridiculous.
Speaker: Which is why I really need to jump on it and list a few of my games.
Speaker: Like Attack for Mars, you helped me sell it.
Speaker: I posted it at, what, 9, 10 on like a Thursday or Friday night.
Speaker: And it was sold by 10 o'clock that night.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I, and actually this is a friend who I've gotten to know.
Speaker: He's a, he's a new guy in the pinball, in the pinball field.
Speaker: He lives close to us, but kind of got acquainted through him through just through the podcast actually.
Speaker: So it was, it was kind of fun that we were able to do it.
Speaker: It's Tom and Tony and it just, it just works out really well that Tony, uh,
Speaker: Tony's been kind of a good friend that I've met through the podcast and we've been talking a lot and he's he's on the medical side.
Speaker: And so we have a little common thing.
Speaker: And he said his friend Tom was really interested in getting into pinball and he talked him into buying a Jurassic Park premium.
Speaker: So we had been messaging back and forth, but we really hadn't actually gotten together since COVID happened and I really wasn't doing anything all summer.
Speaker: So it was a first time for him to come out, but yeah, it was Tom who really, he's going through the growing, um, the growing rocket ship of collecting.
Speaker: And so I think he's bought about, uh, four or five games this year.
Speaker: Uh, he picked up, he picked up wizard of Oz too, by the way.
Speaker: Dang.
Speaker: Nice.
Speaker: So I was like, he's just, he's just buying the expensive pens apparently.
Speaker: Well, and a couple other things too.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I found, I don't know if I subscribed to him or followed them a while ago, but have you ever heard of don't panic flip?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: So they are, they are a streaming channel and they've teamed up with TPN.
Speaker: And so they stream via TPN now.
Speaker: Um, I honestly don't know the gentleman's name, but they're fun to watch.
Speaker: And it was funny cause I was sitting there, we're chit chatting and, uh,
Speaker: someone in the chat was like, is this the loser kids from like loser kid pinball podcast?
Speaker: And I was like, yeah.
Speaker: And the gentleman's like, I love your show.
Speaker: I had to go pick up a pinball machine.
Speaker: It was a five hour round trip.
Speaker: So for five hours straight, that's all I listened to was loser kid.
Speaker: And I felt very appreciative.
Speaker: That was really cool.
Speaker: You know, I want to apologize for, I hope you didn't drive off the road as we lulled him to sleep.
Speaker: We don't, we don't have quite the energy level of most of the pinball podcasts out there.
Speaker: So yeah,
Speaker: But one of the reasons I checked them out is I got my new JP Pro coming.
Speaker: And this last week, someone had dropped new code that took all the animations and put in the movie clips.
Speaker: And they added some of the orchestra music into there as well.
Speaker: And...
Speaker: I was like, this code, I've got to see this code.
Speaker: And so don't panic.
Speaker: Flip's been streaming it and Alnonymous.
Speaker: If you haven't checked either one of them out, you can go to their past Twitch streams and they've streamed them both.
Speaker: And then if you want to get the code, it's on Pinside.
Speaker: I can't remember exactly the thread.
Speaker: but look up.
Speaker: It's just like movie clip Jurassic park thread.
Speaker: And he's done it for the premium Ellie and one for the pro.
Speaker: And so very nice, very nice gentleman.
Speaker: Uh, he's he, we talked and he got me taken care of.
Speaker: Oh, nice.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So let's give him a shout out.
Speaker: My problem is I really don't, uh, I'm, I'm more likely to listen to a podcast than I am to listen to watch a Twitch stream or something like that, because my kids are usually all over me when I get home.
Speaker: So,
Speaker: Let's give them a shout out again, please.
Speaker: I'm trying to figure out who the... His name is Tim.
Speaker: He goes by TimLah79 on Pinside.
Speaker: So T-I-M-L-A-H 79.
Speaker: Just tell him you're interested in the JP code.
Speaker: He'll get you taken care of.
Speaker: I would actually be interested.
Speaker: I wonder if it works for the LE.
Speaker: I actually... It does, yes.
Speaker: Here's the funny thing.
Speaker: I am not as...
Speaker: bothered by, uh, by not having the assets in the screen.
Speaker: And I I've, I've realized that theme is a big part for me, but I didn't feel that Jurassic park was missing anything because I felt that it was the perfect approach of being involved in the movie without being just following the same path.
Speaker: You know, that's the, the ghostbusters problem, right?
Speaker: Where, okay.
Speaker: Who brought the dog?
Speaker: And then you, you're just, all you're doing is marching through the movie.
Speaker: I felt that the way they did Jurassic Park was brilliant and just it was kind of a free flow of, yes, you're trying to work to the visitor center and then you're trying to run from the visitor center.
Speaker: But it's not the you know, it's not the same generic thing.
Speaker: So I didn't feel like I missed anything.
Speaker: And I would even say the same thing about the new custom code for turtles where they've taken the clips from the old show and put them in there.
Speaker: I don't feel like I've missed anything, but maybe that's just
Speaker: You know, some people it's a big deal and some people it's not.
Speaker: I guess it's not a big deal for me, but I'd be interested in trying it out.
Speaker: What do you think, Josh?
Speaker: I'd definitely say go watch it first, see what your thoughts are.
Speaker: I'm kind of the same way.
Speaker: I've been playing my turtles a lot, and I've never converted over to the TV show clips, even though they're integrated really, really well.
Speaker: And it's because really the only time I'm looking at the screen is when the ball stops and it starts an episode or when it finishes an episode.
Speaker: And those are so quick or I skip them that it doesn't really matter.
Speaker: I very rarely look at the screen besides the fact of...
Speaker: you know, when pizza parlor multiball starts and it tells you, hey, this is the toppings you've got, or...
Speaker: But like with Jurassic Park in that case, it shows you movie clips, but it's also integrated with the original animations because you still need the map.
Speaker: You still need to see like catching the dinosaurs and stuff like that.
Speaker: And so it can't do that all from the movie.
Speaker: And so it's integrated really well from what I could tell.
Speaker: People are loving it.
Speaker: I know Tommy with this flipping podcast, I think he's considering getting it for location just because when you change something up a little bit, it reignites people wanting to play it.
Speaker: Sure, that's fun.
Speaker: I get it.
Speaker: And a lot of people, everyone I've talked to has just ranted and raved about it.
Speaker: They love it.
Speaker: And so, like I said, if you want to check it out, I know he has some disclaimers or something.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Go talk to him.
Speaker: Well, yeah.
Speaker: The bottom line is it has to be basically a custom fan project.
Speaker: He can't take money from it because otherwise it's copyright infringement.
Speaker: And yeah, it's usually a passion project just to do some fun stuff.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And that's what it is.
Speaker: We're always happy to, Hey, uh, find your own thing.
Speaker: Like I put a, an alternate back glass in my medieval madness because I, I just wanted to have it for fun.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: So, and I mean, that, that's pretty much, uh, my pinball for the last couple of weeks.
Speaker: It's, I don't know.
Speaker: It's been fun.
Speaker: Like, Oh, and I just remembered I was doing a job.
Speaker: So we have, I live in the biggest city in our
Speaker: We call it the Tri-County area, but it covers a little bit more because we're right on the Colorado border.
Speaker: I went across the border to a town called Rangeley and I ran into, we don't really call them competitors around here because there's enough work for everyone.
Speaker: And so if you're respecting of that person, they're just another person you see at the warehouse when you go to pick up supplies.
Speaker: Well, I ran into another HVAC guy and we got talking pinball and he's like, you work on those?
Speaker: I said, yeah.
Speaker: And he's like, really?
Speaker: He's like, I got two in my shop.
Speaker: You want to come take a look at them?
Speaker: And I said, sure, let's go take a look.
Speaker: And so we went and looked at him and he collects cars.
Speaker: That's his thing.
Speaker: What happened was he did a job and the guy couldn't pay.
Speaker: The guy was moving and he said, hey, I've got a couple of pinball machines in my garage or in my storage.
Speaker: You can have them if they will, you know, take care of the rest of the price.
Speaker: And so we got in there and I'm always saying it's going to be some like EM that's not no one wants, you know, and he had a future spa and a black knight sitting there.
Speaker: And so I looked at him and I'm like, dude, these are two decent games.
Speaker: I mean, this is late 70s, early 80s, and they're good games.
Speaker: And he said, well, if you help me fix them up, you can keep one and I'll have the other.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I'm like sold.
Speaker: So he's actually moved to Vernal, the bigger city.
Speaker: And so I'm going to help him move them, move them over this week.
Speaker: And I'm going to convince him to let me have the black night because not because it's worth more, but I have a family friendly home.
Speaker: Have you seen future spa?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Actually, I've never played a future spa.
Speaker: So tell me about how awesome it is.
Speaker: Fantastic gameplay, terrible artwork, in my opinion.
Speaker: You've got a bunch of people working out in bikinis and Speedos.
Speaker: And then for some odd reason, the artist painted himself on the back glass, butt naked, but he's got water covering him, watching a woman shower.
Speaker: That's kind of creepy.
Speaker: It is kind of creepy.
Speaker: And I didn't know this till Kate Martin, our friend Kate, had posted.
Speaker: I can't remember where she posted this.
Speaker: But she showed the picture.
Speaker: And so that was the artist that's staring at the girl showering.
Speaker: I'm like, why would you do that?
Speaker: Hey, 70s were a different time, right?
Speaker: You know, it's one of those where I think you can recognize the history of pinball.
Speaker: And
Speaker: I guess kind of accept it for what it was, but also I would, you know, this will get to, this will get to be a later conversation is that I would think that we've kind of moved on into, I would say a modern interpretation of what's appropriate and what's not.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So, well, let's, let's move on really quick.
Speaker: I want to talk about people have been asking us.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: One thing is totally interesting is like,
Speaker: The Pinball Expo is going on right now.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: OK.
Speaker: I have been so busy at work this week that I have not been able to tune in at all for anything.
Speaker: So, Josh, is there anything that you know that's like I I was just kind of glancing through everything.
Speaker: I'm like, I really wish that I knew more about this, but I just have been so busy.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Honestly, every time I tune in, it's just two dudes sitting there talking about pinball.
Speaker: It's almost like a live stream of a podcast.
Speaker: So you're saying it's super boring to listen to two dudes talking about pinball.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: No, they've been good.
Speaker: They've been good.
Speaker: I mean, they've had a show right now.
Speaker: No, what I'm saying is they've been good.
Speaker: They had American Pinball on, Josh Coogler, and I think Joe Balser, and I can't remember who else was there.
Speaker: But they all sat there and chit-chatted.
Speaker: The problem is I've been watching via Dead Flip and other people that are watching with it.
Speaker: And so it doesn't help when you have a running commentary along with what's going on.
Speaker: So I guess it's like if me and you were talking while our audience that's listening is like talking to each other saying, hey, these guys are idiots.
Speaker: And, you know, I don't know.
Speaker: It's just kind of hard.
Speaker: It's kind of hard to get engaged.
Speaker: I guess I'll put it that way.
Speaker: At least if you're listening to us talk, then we're kind of giving you a recap and maybe our take on it.
Speaker: But it's...
Speaker: it's not the same.
Speaker: And I, and I feel bad for them because I'm glad that they're trying to do this because this is something that's interesting.
Speaker: Uh, but maybe it's, it's hard to get the same sort of vibe because when you're attending in person, it's, it's fun because you're seeing friends, it's a social thing.
Speaker: And if you're streaming it, it's, it's different.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I, I totally agree.
Speaker: I think that, I think you've hit the head, the nail right on the head is it's, it's hard to interact with people when,
Speaker: your event is solely for people to interact with each other.
Speaker: And so, and the numbers haven't been like, they're still good.
Speaker: I mean, they're getting a hundred, you know, a hundred, 150 viewers is when I've been watching and that's not including the people, the people watching via dead flip and all those that are, that are restreaming at verse via their stream as well.
Speaker: So, well, it would be nice to, I will go in and check out some of the extra stuff.
Speaker: So cool.
Speaker: And I haven't noticed any big announcements from Expo yet.
Speaker: I could be entirely wrong and people are like, dude, but we are recording Friday night and they've just been, Expo's just kind of starting today.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: They've done it the last two nights, but from my understanding, there's nothing been revealed.
Speaker: Because we still might have a CGC reveal.
Speaker: We might have... I can't remember who else is on the list.
Speaker: Definitely not spooky.
Speaker: Yeah, I was looking at everything.
Speaker: Tomorrow, I'm looking at Tilt, Haggis, Pinball Arcade, Borg, and now The Borg.
Speaker: Yeah, so...
Speaker: Steve Ritchie's talking.
Speaker: So I think they're doing as good as they possibly can.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That reminds me, whatever happened to the pinball circus people?
Speaker: They had Mafia ready to go like a year ago.
Speaker: Not Mafia.
Speaker: What is it?
Speaker: The one that Mark Ritchie made.
Speaker: It's the Capcom game.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Kingpin.
Speaker: Kingpin.
Speaker: Kingpin.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Like whatever happened to Kingpin and they were also going to do pinball circus.
Speaker: And then like we haven't heard anything for two, three years now.
Speaker: You know, I think it's just shows that pinball is hard.
Speaker: And when you're trying to build something, even like an established one, there's capital involved.
Speaker: And when you're trying to do something, especially like a two man operation, which seems like it is, it's kind of hard when it's your hobby.
Speaker: Uh, I mean, even, uh, you know, Keith and Randy, they were doing, uh, they were in Archer in their spare time and it was like four years.
Speaker: And that was just a kind of a whitewood with their own way of doing it.
Speaker: But it's, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: What are you talking about?
Speaker: Keith has made pinball easy, man.
Speaker: He's cranking those out once a year.
Speaker: Yeah, I know.
Speaker: Crazy, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So from our last episode with Zombie Yeti, people have messaged us about the BYU professor story.
Speaker: And I decided we might as well just tell this on air because it's kind of a crazy story from my perspective.
Speaker: I didn't know that you actually...
Speaker: He was one of your professors.
Speaker: And so kind of interesting.
Speaker: So I want you to start the story and then I'll take it from where we discussed.
Speaker: And I have not actually told Scott this story.
Speaker: So everything he hears is first time.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I did mechanical engineering at BYU.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And one of my professors, he taught solid state.
Speaker: Basically, he was a steel guy.
Speaker: So if you are ever really bored, you can look at a phase diagram of steel and you will actually understand why steel is so complex.
Speaker: And it depends on it depends on how it's cooled and the temperature and how long it's there.
Speaker: And it really does, you know, in the kind of the temperature and the carbon weight.
Speaker: And so there's like a crazy amount of physical chemistry that goes into how steel is, the quality steel.
Speaker: So that's a long answer to say that it's that that was the entire class is talking about how to use steel for different things.
Speaker: And he was the professor.
Speaker: He was kind of an interesting guy though.
Speaker: He was one of these guys who was one of these older professors who had been there for a long time and had a lot of interesting views on life and a little bit more of a, I guess, kind of out there.
Speaker: I don't want to say like a, he was a country boy, I guess.
Speaker: But, you know, it was always one of those things where you're kind of on the fringe of what a standard, I don't want to say normal, but I'll just say like a standard interpretation of laws and life and the stability of the government would be.
Speaker: Like, I don't want to call him a conspiracy theorist, but he seemed a little bit kind of one of those, you know, make sure you're...
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I'll put it out.
Speaker: Eccentric.
Speaker: And so just randomly, um, I found out like 10 years later that I saw in the news that he was killed.
Speaker: He had his throat slit and his son was a, a drug.
Speaker: He had a lot of history with drugs.
Speaker: And so the cops thought that his son was involved, uh, for money or something.
Speaker: And so
Speaker: They they interviewed him and he said, no, there were two other guys that were there.
Speaker: And they said, everyone says it's always two other guys.
Speaker: And so they put him in jail and he was in jail for about a year.
Speaker: And then later I found out that Vernal teased into it.
Speaker: And apparently this guy had a really exotic gun collection.
Speaker: And yes, that and at least the story that I heard that I'm sure you'll be able to fill the end of the story is that they arrested these guys from Bernal who ended up actually tying him up and killing him and stealing his guns.
Speaker: And so so they let the guys, the son and his wife or girlfriend out of jail.
Speaker: But it was just one of those things that just seemed a little bit out of Tiger King.
Speaker: So I don't I don't know.
Speaker: That's pretty much all I heard about the story, but I just thought was just so bizarre.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: Our high school here doesn't have a lot of money.
Speaker: We still get good money, and our high school is big.
Speaker: But I took CAD key.
Speaker: For those that have never done CAD key, you get to design stuff.
Speaker: Actually, they do it in pinball.
Speaker: You design stuff, and then you can actually print it out 3D.
Speaker: And we didn't have enough computers, and so we had to double up on partners.
Speaker: And I doubled up with a gentleman named Marty Bond.
Speaker: And Marty was never really at school.
Speaker: And I really enjoyed doing CAD key.
Speaker: It came really easy to me.
Speaker: I don't know what it was, but I was able to whip stuff out really quick.
Speaker: And we only had half the work for the semester because we had to split the computer and the teacher couldn't do a full work semester on us.
Speaker: And so he never showed up, never showed up.
Speaker: So I did all of his work on top of my work.
Speaker: And he showed up one day freaking out.
Speaker: He's already failing his other classes.
Speaker: He's probably just going to fail this class.
Speaker: And I told him, dude, just calm down.
Speaker: Calm down.
Speaker: Like, I've already done all your work.
Speaker: Don't worry about it.
Speaker: And he's like, you're joking me.
Speaker: And I said, no.
Speaker: Like, I had nothing else to do.
Speaker: This was back before smartphones.
Speaker: So a lot of you can relate.
Speaker: I had literally nothing else to do besides read books and maybe do homework from other classes.
Speaker: And so I just did his work because it was easy.
Speaker: And so he said, Josh, if you ever need it, I'm planning on becoming an assassin when I grow up.
Speaker: And if you ever need me to, I will kill someone for you.
Speaker: But the caveat is if I get caught, you go down with me.
Speaker: And we kind of laughed about it, right?
Speaker: Like I'm like, whatever.
Speaker: Like no one ever seriously grows up to be an assassin, right?
Speaker: Like it's not what you do with your life.
Speaker: And so fast forward a few years later and I run into Marty in Walmart.
Speaker: And we get reminiscent about the old days in high school and whatnot.
Speaker: And I bring up this part of the story.
Speaker: I say, hey, you remember when you said you'd kill anyone for me?
Speaker: You know, it's on the house because I did all that homework for you.
Speaker: And, you know, if I ever need it, I chuckled.
Speaker: And he gave me this really nervous laugh.
Speaker: And he's like, well, I got to get going.
Speaker: And he left.
Speaker: It was even two months later, they arrested him and another guy for the murder of the professor.
Speaker: And here I am.
Speaker: And like you said, they took the son and the girlfriend into jail because they thought it was them.
Speaker: So he had been running around for at least six months.
Speaker: He'd already murdered this dude and hadn't been caught yet.
Speaker: And here I'm joking with a murderer about killing people.
Speaker: Yeah, that's kind of messed up.
Speaker: Yeah, that's the end of my story.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Needless to say, I haven't talked to him since then, and that's probably for the best.
Speaker: But it always made me laugh because, like, do you ever listen to Dane Cook?
Speaker: Do you remember that comedian from 2000s?
Speaker: Yeah, apparently the guy that got accused of stealing a lot of jokes from other comedians.
Speaker: That guy.
Speaker: So he had a joke where he said that there's always that one guy at work that you never know if he's going to come to work with a shotgun the next day.
Speaker: So always come to work with a Snickers and give him a Snickers.
Speaker: So that one actually does show up with the shotgun.
Speaker: He gets to your cubicle and go, oh, thanks for the Snickers.
Speaker: And he keeps on going.
Speaker: And so I feel like this was my, I gave the dude the Snickers so I could live kind of thing.
Speaker: Either that or he's like, dude, this guy doesn't going to kill people.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: The fact that he said, when I grow up, I want to be a, it, that seems straight out of gross point blank.
Speaker: You know, when he goes back for his reunion, people are like, yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker: He's like, I'm a professional killer.
Speaker: Like, do you get dental?
Speaker: Do you get dental with that?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Cause no one actually thinks it's serious.
Speaker: Cause that's crazy.
Speaker: Well, I never took him seriously because he joked about either being an assassin or a porn star.
Speaker: So seriously, how can you take someone seriously like that?
Speaker: You know, it sounds like one of those 70s B-movies right there.
Speaker: He's an assassin porn star.
Speaker: That is crazy.
Speaker: But I hope that appeases your guys' appetite about the BYU professor story.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: And the sad thing is I think that this guy was a super nice guy, but I think he was kind of...
Speaker: You know, when you get really deep into a strange hobby and having exotic guns, like maybe weaponry, you may want to be careful about who you're associating with.
Speaker: Yeah, just I agree.
Speaker: Just a pro tip, you know, just find out.
Speaker: Well, first off, ask if you're a killer and they have to, by law, answer you appropriately.
Speaker: And so, geez, that is nuts.
Speaker: Yeah, what they had done, they had killed him.
Speaker: They took all of his guns.
Speaker: We have a place here called Remember the Main.
Speaker: It's a park, but it's up a canyon.
Speaker: And so it's... You guys have one there by Lehigh.
Speaker: It's down Provo Canyon.
Speaker: It's similar to that.
Speaker: You're in the canyon next to the river kind of thing.
Speaker: And so they had taken their guns up to Remember the Main and buried them there.
Speaker: And they were going to leave them there until everything kind of cooled off and went away.
Speaker: And they never got the opportunity.
Speaker: They got caught and...
Speaker: they went and uncovered the guns up there.
Speaker: Remember the main.
Speaker: So, yeah, I don't think this guy was very smart and just kind of, no, no nuts.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So he did have an accomplice, but the accomplice ratted out and told it, he said it was all Marty's idea.
Speaker: And yeah, so, but that's it.
Speaker: That's the story.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: It sounds crazy.
Speaker: So let's, let's move on.
Speaker: You got your Avengers.
Speaker: I want to know how this plays.
Speaker: Like people are dying to know how Avengers plays.
Speaker: So I truly feel that Keith was setting out and we really will, we'll reach out to Keith and we'd love to have him on maybe when it's getting to 1.0 code.
Speaker: So he can talk.
Speaker: We had Jurassic Park when it was 1.0 code.
Speaker: So it was actually great because we were able to talk about the nuances of everything.
Speaker: This feels like he's going for an epic Lord of the Rings journey.
Speaker: Um, if you, if you watched, he posted on Facebook one time, uh, about the outlanes and he says he pointed to the screw and he's like, don't move this.
Speaker: And I was like, huh, that's interesting.
Speaker: Cause it's actually stock.
Speaker: It comes with the aliens kind of closed off.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So you can have a longer game and.
Speaker: I don't know what he's figured out with his shots, but with Jurassic park, I felt like there's the, the left ramp, which is super easy to, to hit the right ramp is still kind of hard for me to hit, but I can get it.
Speaker: And that, uh, Raptor tower is, it's still kind of a luck shot for me.
Speaker: Um, between Raptor and O shot.
Speaker: Yeah, it's just kind of, you know, it's just hard because this is the challenge with upper flippers is that it's usually the ball is going screaming fast past it that you're just trying to blindly flip as fast as you can to time it.
Speaker: And it usually doesn't really go that easily.
Speaker: And that could be a design issue.
Speaker: That could be designed to be able to say, well, it's a challenging shot and you need to earn it.
Speaker: Or...
Speaker: You could say that it's that maybe there's a way that you could make that upper flipper more repeatable.
Speaker: So on Avengers, one of the ramps is really well designed.
Speaker: It's the banana ramp that you shoot and it goes up and it comes and it makes kind of like a Nike swoosh.
Speaker: and drops above the flipper, but it starts rolling almost like in Jurassic Park, where the up post on the left flip or how it goes up and it stalls the ball and then it starts rolling.
Speaker: So it gives you a consistent shot.
Speaker: So you have that.
Speaker: And so the you can do like multiple, multiple shots up there and
Speaker: It's just really interesting that you can use the upper flipper and the upper flipper is quite it feels just like another flipper.
Speaker: The shots are feel so good in that they're they're kind of where you feel like they should be.
Speaker: And I know that they move shots around all the time, but at least the way I play it, it feels like when I'm trying to hit the Avengers Tower, I can hit it almost every time.
Speaker: And if I'm trying to hit
Speaker: the Captain Marvel ramp.
Speaker: I can hit it about every time.
Speaker: So it just feels like either I'm dialed into this or it's dialed in.
Speaker: It's crazy complex in that it just seems like there's so much to do in the game.
Speaker: Still haven't quite figured out, like when you hit it in the subway, so you activate the
Speaker: this spinning ring, the Sorcerer Supreme spinning ring, and it opens up like a circus Voltaire and then it drops down there.
Speaker: But I don't know if at some point you will be able to see all the balls locked under there, but it just seems like it advances the balls right now.
Speaker: And so maybe I haven't been playing it a lot.
Speaker: I actually did get a GC.
Speaker: Very nice.
Speaker: And I don't know if that's because I'm if the GCs are exceptionally low, which is entirely possible, or that not maybe all the code is in there with the way the balls are locked in the subway, because I think the
Speaker: The whole point of that is to give you a visual cue on, hey, you have all these balls locked.
Speaker: I also haven't.
Speaker: Keith put a video out there that said his favorite thing to do, and it has the balls that are locked up into the tower and they were kind of locked together like two balls dangling.
Speaker: And I I've locked balls, but it almost seems like a virtual lock right now where I get up there and it gets it and that drops it down.
Speaker: Um, well, Keith has mentioned you, you have to do something very specific to be able to get two balls.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Well, I haven't figured that out.
Speaker: And I, you know, one day when I'm as good as Keith, I'll be able to figure that out.
Speaker: Um, but no, it just, it feels like a fun game.
Speaker: And if you look at the lower play field, uh, you know, there are, so like attack for Mars, how it seems like all the balls are funneled to go straight down the middle.
Speaker: Yeah, it's it's kind of it's it's a drain monster.
Speaker: This doesn't feel that way.
Speaker: It feels like it's intended to have the ball play longer.
Speaker: So it has that, you know, Lord of the Rings, how I'm not saying Lord of the Rings is an easy game.
Speaker: It's not.
Speaker: But the intent is to have the ball play longer because there's so much in the game that they want you to experience more.
Speaker: Correct.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: If they if and conversely, when I play Turtles, Turtles is really hard and it still is very brutal.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So it feels kind of nice to have that game that is that's designed to have you explore it a lot more and to get deeper into the game.
Speaker: And Keith has told us that he doesn't want games to last.
Speaker: He said, I want you to get to the end of the game in 20 to 30 minutes.
Speaker: So, you know, Valinor, it takes two hours together.
Speaker: So I feel that it really is my go to game right now going.
Speaker: It just feels so good.
Speaker: You feel like a pinball God playing this game.
Speaker: And it may actually be kind of up there as
Speaker: What game do you want to play?
Speaker: I want to play that one.
Speaker: Awesome.
Speaker: Well, and I'm excited for this.
Speaker: So I decided I would watch till the actual stream.
Speaker: I know like the Ellie's sold out however ridiculously fast they did, but I wanted to see actual gameplay.
Speaker: And after watching Keith and Raymond Davidson play, I just decided this was what I was getting.
Speaker: And the funny part is that stuff premiered, what, not even a week after the actual reveal trailer.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I messaged Zach and I said, hey, I want to get a premium when we look in.
Speaker: And he's like, dude, like December.
Speaker: I'm like, we're in September, though.
Speaker: And he's like, yeah, premiums are ridiculous right now.
Speaker: And last time, I can't remember if it was Zach I talked to.
Speaker: We still talk to JJ at Game Exchange a lot, too.
Speaker: One of them said, like, premiums are out to, like, March right now.
Speaker: That's crazy.
Speaker: Like, has any other game ever had this kind of lead time?
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: But it's great to hear that the game is doing wonderfully.
Speaker: I haven't heard a negative thing about it yet.
Speaker: It astounds me because Jurassic Park came out a year ago and people are like, this is amazing.
Speaker: I don't know how Keith does it.
Speaker: How is he ever going to top this?
Speaker: And now I look at Avengers and, and with you and your positive review and other people I've spoke to that just love it pro premium.
Speaker: Everyone's loving it.
Speaker: And it's, it's just like, I don't know how Keith does it.
Speaker: It just, it's, it's amazing.
Speaker: So, yeah, well, it's, he's taking it new directions.
Speaker: So this is the reason why you need new designers.
Speaker: You can't,
Speaker: I love Steve Ritchie, but you can't just have Steve Ritchie designing pinball machines for 30 years because at some point you get, you're kind of chasing yourself.
Speaker: And so if you had Ritchie and Borg and all the people who have been doing it for a long time, you kind of get in ruts.
Speaker: And it's not bad because I think they were making great games, but they tend to, you want to play it safe because you're selling pinball machines.
Speaker: And if you make a weird pinball machine like WWE and no one buys it, then it's a big financial hit.
Speaker: So I totally understand that.
Speaker: But it's nice to see what he and Eric are doing since they are the new guys on the block and what they are moving.
Speaker: They're moving the needle on what it means to design a pinball machine.
Speaker: No, and I agree with you.
Speaker: And I think the thing is, too, with Keith is he's taking old concepts and breathing new life into them.
Speaker: Something as simple as... Let's take Jurassic Park, for example.
Speaker: You hit so many shots, it keeps lighting them at the spinner, and it gives you... What is it like?
Speaker: I don't know if it times the spinner or what it does, but when you hit that spinner finally...
Speaker: It just, you get all those points.
Speaker: It's fantastic.
Speaker: I mean, look at the, uh, the bingo card.
Speaker: We haven't seen a bingo card in years.
Speaker: And I think it's because it,
Speaker: they're kind of difficult to deal with on certain games, but this way it's just so straightforward and whatnot.
Speaker: It's amazing.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: There's just certain aspects Keith has latched onto and it's like, well, why has no one done this and tried it this way?
Speaker: And I think that's just, it's great to have that in pinball now.
Speaker: Don't get me wrong.
Speaker: I love Steve Richie.
Speaker: I love Lyman Sheets.
Speaker: I love all those guys.
Speaker: I love all the designers, the coders and stuff.
Speaker: But I feel like Keith and his team is taking a new direction.
Speaker: And it's wonderful.
Speaker: It's wonderful to see.
Speaker: I think it's also inspiring the other guys, too.
Speaker: It's one of those where, you know, you've seen teams where you get a new guy on.
Speaker: You're like, you know what?
Speaker: I can do that or I can do something else.
Speaker: And so it really does push them.
Speaker: So I think it's good.
Speaker: Well, let's take Turtles, for example, you know, because I'm pretty for sure Keith helped a little bit.
Speaker: You know, they all help.
Speaker: They all go up to the machine and say, hey, this is what you can do.
Speaker: But Turtles does feel different from a Borg.
Speaker: I mean, it still plays like a Borg X fast.
Speaker: But I just I don't look at Turtles and go, yeah, that's Tron.
Speaker: Yeah, that's Metallica.
Speaker: Yeah, that's because a lot of people are afraid of that.
Speaker: I know when we talked about Turtles a year and a half ago, people were like, well, we don't want it to be Metallica Guardians of the Galaxy or whatever.
Speaker: We want something fresh and new.
Speaker: And I feel like it is that with Turtles.
Speaker: It's brutal.
Speaker: It's fast.
Speaker: It kicks you in the teeth, but it's fun.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Speaking of new and fresh, then we just had Guns N' Roses released.
Speaker: Holy crap.
Speaker: Where do we even start with this?
Speaker: Where do you want to start with it?
Speaker: Okay, I'm going to start with the best PR release on a pinball machine so far.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: Now, I will say that also it helps that you have an iconic soundtrack like Guns N' Roses being able to play in the background.
Speaker: And so you have the model playing the game and she's having a great time and she's dancing to Welcome to the Jungle.
Speaker: And yeah, it does make it really good.
Speaker: And so I wouldn't be surprised if there was if they were able to be using some sort of
Speaker: I don't know, some sort of assistance or suggestions from Guns N' Roses because they're in the promotion business to be able to get something together.
Speaker: But that trailer was great.
Speaker: And I thought that Stern had done a great job up till now.
Speaker: And I think JJP took it to a next level on this one.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: And I want to commend Kim Cronwell and all those that are involved with this.
Speaker: I mean, I don't know if it's strictly because of Kim.
Speaker: Like you said, I don't know if it's because Guns N' Roses have some PR presence and whatnot.
Speaker: Slash has been very involved with this project.
Speaker: From day one, I feel like this has definitely set a new standard of the way that pinball machines should be revealed.
Speaker: And that's just me.
Speaker: And the really cool part is the community involvement in it.
Speaker: How hard is it to call it Buffalo and say, hey, we know that you've bought all of our games.
Speaker: We know you're going to buy this one.
Speaker: We'll give you a couple days lead time.
Speaker: Because Kevin said he hadn't even seen this game.
Speaker: The first time he saw it was when he unboxed it.
Speaker: But he set it up and he did what was an hour and a half of play.
Speaker: And you've got the Super Awesome Pinball Show doing the interview with Eric Minier.
Speaker: And straight down the middle coming in to do the tour or the factory going through with Eric and Keith and all them talking about this game.
Speaker: And it's just...
Speaker: The marketing for this was spot on.
Speaker: I think they attempted this with Willy Wonka, but it came and it just didn't hit the mark.
Speaker: But this time it was spot on.
Speaker: And congratulations.
Speaker: My hat is off to you guys.
Speaker: Ken, you did a fantastic job.
Speaker: Yeah, it's the natural progression, right?
Speaker: We've seen pulling off the sheet at expos.
Speaker: Okay, come up and play it.
Speaker: Okay, that's fun.
Speaker: But everybody's kind of breaking shots and they're trying to figure out games and all that.
Speaker: This is hey.
Speaker: And it was also, hey, we have them by them.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: So that that's that's what you need to do.
Speaker: That that is how modern pinball manufacturing has to be.
Speaker: It's hey, by the way, this is available right now.
Speaker: Go get it.
Speaker: What's crazy to me is they've never had a CE sellout, correct?
Speaker: Besides, they never fulfilled all the pirates.
Speaker: No, they did.
Speaker: Pirates sold out.
Speaker: But do you count that because they stopped?
Speaker: Like they had all those cancellations and then they stopped selling them and stuff like that.
Speaker: Did they sell out this?
Speaker: I still think they sold out the CEA, but I could be wrong.
Speaker: But I know that Dialed In kind of languished along and that didn't have the same thing.
Speaker: Willy Wonka is the same way?
Speaker: Yeah, it's certainly having that iconic thing that...
Speaker: And people like the rock experience.
Speaker: They like that.
Speaker: And so I was, okay, I was surprised because I have bought machines that are around $10,000.
Speaker: And I recognize that I can sell them along when I'm done with them for close to the same figure.
Speaker: I maybe lose a few hundred dollars, but that's the price of renting a game for a while.
Speaker: However, when they started coming out with CEs that are $1,250, and...
Speaker: add shipping on top of that.
Speaker: So you're really looking at 1300.
Speaker: I was a little shocked and I thought I, I wouldn't do this, but I can't tell you how many people that I knew that were buying the game who said, huh, I'm trying to debate on if I should get the CE.
Speaker: And that was a, that was an eye opener for me.
Speaker: Um, there are,
Speaker: I've met some, I guess some very wealthy pinball collectors just by going, just by meeting them through the hobby.
Speaker: Uh, and it does surprise me that there is that market, which I never thought would happen when pirates had the collector's edition.
Speaker: I thought, yeah, this is not going to happen.
Speaker: And it does now the, the, the converse thing is that when you're charging that much,
Speaker: you can put more into a game.
Speaker: So when you're looking at the, like the original Iron Man, or you're looking at Tron, which they're great games.
Speaker: But when you compare those games to games now, it's, it's feels very stripped down.
Speaker: It can still be fun.
Speaker: I'm not saying they're not fun, but I'm saying they're not packed.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And the,
Speaker: The increase in cost has obviously increased the build-in materials that the designer is able to put in a machine, which is the reason why you get a game like Guns N' Roses, which is so crazy packed.
Speaker: What did you think when you first saw Guns N' Roses?
Speaker: You know, honestly, it got me excited.
Speaker: The first thing I looked at was, like, after it played and whatnot...
Speaker: I've discussed this before.
Speaker: I enjoyed Growns and Roses growing up.
Speaker: I really liked Appetite for Destruction, but I never really considered myself a GNR fan.
Speaker: So that was the problem with this title.
Speaker: I felt like it could go either way.
Speaker: But after the way that they revealed this, I was like, man, I had FOMO setting in, right?
Speaker: Fear of missing out real quick.
Speaker: And I was like, well, I really want to see the standard.
Speaker: And after seeing that, pretty much the upper play field is gone for the standard.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I was like, heck, you've got to buy the LE if you're going to buy this game.
Speaker: And at $9,500 plus shipping, I just can't.
Speaker: Don't get me wrong.
Speaker: JJP's great quality.
Speaker: They're packed games.
Speaker: You are getting a fantastic game.
Speaker: But it prices me out of the market.
Speaker: I'd rather have a JP Pro and a Turtles Pro.
Speaker: for that price i mean you're getting pretty close to two pros um i mean yeah you're spending a couple thousand more but the thing that really spoke to me is i felt like this not was just a gnr pinball machine but it's like a musician pinball machine like i've told you people that i played in a band before i think the biggest concert we ever played was for 3 000 people no more near the 50 million that gnr has done
Speaker: But the thing about being on the stage in front of people and trying to encapsulate that is hard, especially if no one's been on the stage to rock out in front of fans.
Speaker: And so I felt like this pinball machine encapsulated that.
Speaker: I love the Gibson head.
Speaker: I love the Fender head.
Speaker: I love the drumsticks.
Speaker: Just even the pop bumpers that are like a drum kit.
Speaker: And it's got the hi-hat that moves.
Speaker: And it's got the music symbols.
Speaker: And it's got the concert footage.
Speaker: And it's got... I mean, this game...
Speaker: Regardless if you're a Guns N' Roses fan, if you're a musician, it should speak to you.
Speaker: And I feel like it does.
Speaker: And it just, it is an amazing game.
Speaker: But I'm a broke kid, so it's out of my league.
Speaker: Okay, so let's assume that, well, okay, you could do it.
Speaker: If you really wanted to, you could, you could sell, sell, um, two of your games and you could buy it.
Speaker: Right?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: True.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: So, uh, when I say the games that have come out, so you have Avengers, um, the options are, would you buy it?
Speaker: Would you play it?
Speaker: Or would you walk by it at a bar?
Speaker: Like just, I'm not that interested.
Speaker: I'm going to go somewhere else.
Speaker: I'm definitely playing it first.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: That's where the hesitation is with me.
Speaker: This is Guns N' Roses or Avengers.
Speaker: Which one?
Speaker: Guns N' Roses.
Speaker: Because you committed to buying Avengers.
Speaker: You committed to buying Avengers without playing it.
Speaker: But the problem with Avengers is, and I know this is what other people have discussed, JJPs aren't as readily available on location as Sterns are.
Speaker: And so I've played Iron Maiden.
Speaker: I've played Jurassic Park.
Speaker: I know how Keith games play.
Speaker: And so it wasn't that big of a leap for me to jump to an Avengers.
Speaker: The only Eric Minier game I've ever played is Pirates.
Speaker: Well, I guess it's the only game he's ever released.
Speaker: But I only played it once.
Speaker: I played it for a while, but it was the prototype machine.
Speaker: They brought it to Utah for one of our pinball shows that we did.
Speaker: And it was hard to get a feel for it and translate that to the next, like into, cause they'd already announced that they weren't going to be doing this triple spinning disc.
Speaker: They already announced they weren't going to do some of this stuff.
Speaker: And they made a big mistake.
Speaker: They made a big mistake to continue to haul around the example of the triple spinning disc.
Speaker: They should have immediately sent out a replacement game.
Speaker: They should have, but I played it and it played great.
Speaker: It was fun.
Speaker: It had a line, so I couldn't really thoroughly enjoy it as much as I could, but it was in the back of my mind, like I'm playing this, but how much of this is going to be different here when they actually released the game?
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And they also, well, one of the problems too, is the play field on the prototype did not rock back and forth adequately.
Speaker: So I think they did themselves a disservice with not updating the prototypes because they
Speaker: I think people felt, well, this isn't even the game that I'm going to get.
Speaker: And so that that eroded sales, too.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: So I think that's the problem is like, I've played plenty, I've played Keith's other two games.
Speaker: And so it's not hard for me to envision what his third one's going to be like, especially after seeing photos and whatnot.
Speaker: And it's hard with a JJP game because there's a lot of depth to these games.
Speaker: It's hard to play it at one setting and then get a great feel for it.
Speaker: I totally agree that the code is way too deep and I'm,
Speaker: JJP games are like a crock pot.
Speaker: They take a long time to cook and long time to experience and a long time to explore.
Speaker: Stern games are more.
Speaker: I don't want to say they're shallower, but I think they're less diverse in that the matrix.
Speaker: I don't know how to describe it.
Speaker: That flow chart that Keith always puts out for his games.
Speaker: Keith Johnson.
Speaker: puts out for his games and it's pretty complex.
Speaker: Sterns don't seem to be as complex.
Speaker: They have certain awards like Jurassic Park has the different awards, you know, the DNA award, you know, all that stuff.
Speaker: But it's it's kind of a bonus to the game.
Speaker: And you're still following a similar path, but it's it's a little more straightforward.
Speaker: So, and the other thing about Sterns too is, is they, you can flip them really quickly.
Speaker: Like if I get a game in that I don't enjoy, I like, if I decided tomorrow I want to sell turtles, I know three people in the state that would take it.
Speaker: No problems, no questions asked.
Speaker: They would just take it at a reasonable price.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: I would probably, I would either, well, I probably wouldn't break even, but I mean, like you said, you lose a couple hundred bucks.
Speaker: You'd get your money back.
Speaker: Correct.
Speaker: With JJPs, I don't know that.
Speaker: Wizard of Oz has been out for how many years now?
Speaker: But I see them sell for six grand.
Speaker: Hobbits.
Speaker: Hobbits were selling for how much when they came out first?
Speaker: I don't know anyone that'll pay over six grand for a Hobbit.
Speaker: Dialed in.
Speaker: Same thing.
Speaker: It's like you spent $9,000.
Speaker: You're going to be lucky if you get six to seven out of it.
Speaker: Same with Willy Wonka.
Speaker: Okay, I won't say that about Willy Wonka because Willy Wonka is newer and we don't have a really good timeline of it selling.
Speaker: Granted, Guns N' Roses is a fantastic theme.
Speaker: It's what people want.
Speaker: Pirates has really retained its value.
Speaker: Our friend Joe Lemire with the Pinball Players podcast just sold his standard with a bunch of mods on it for like 13.
Speaker: And so like, congratulations, dude.
Speaker: That's awesome.
Speaker: But for the most part, JJPs don't have a really reputable... Like, I don't mind losing a couple hundred bucks.
Speaker: I have a hard time losing a couple thousand dollars on a pinball machine.
Speaker: I, I, I feel less worried about that.
Speaker: I think guns and roses will certainly hold on to its value.
Speaker: Um, I don't think it's going to be something that's going to change hands a lot, but I think that once you do get to a certain price point, it is harder to move.
Speaker: I still feel with wizard of Oz, it's going to, you're still going to get roughly what you pay for.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: But, you know, who knows?
Speaker: Pinball is always a – it's always a gamble, but I would guarantee whatever you buy on your pinball machine, you will at least get 80% to 90% of what you paid.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, and it must be a good – it's a good sign when the CE sell out in less than like four hours or whatever it was.
Speaker: It's a great theme.
Speaker: Other themes that come out because they – when people talk about – I saw some people say, well, are they relevant?
Speaker: I'm like, well –
Speaker: They are the current 401k tour out there that people.
Speaker: The highest grossing tour of all time.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: People always wanted to see them.
Speaker: And so they were in their fight for 20 plus years.
Speaker: And now they got back together and they put together an amazing concert.
Speaker: My friend went to it.
Speaker: I saw the tickets and the tickets were like 250 bucks.
Speaker: And I thought, eh, no.
Speaker: But she went and she said, no, it's three hours and it was awesome.
Speaker: And I was like, oh, okay, well, all right.
Speaker: I'm glad.
Speaker: So that's why I think that they're a little more relevant because people have been wanting to see them.
Speaker: Like Devil Upward and Journey, or Motley Crue or all those other ones, they're still touring.
Speaker: Like there's not really much of a demand because if you miss them this year, you can see them next year.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, besides the whole COVID thing, but yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So, so I, okay, this is, this, this is one thing I want to point out that I'm very, very impressed with.
Speaker: So they actually have slash as the co-designer for this game.
Speaker: And this, I think what Guns N' Roses has proven is that theme integration is just important to a certain part of the community as even gameplay.
Speaker: Because let's all admit this.
Speaker: If CE sold out in the last four hours, that means no one's played this game yet, right?
Speaker: You don't know how it plays.
Speaker: It sold solely off of theme and integration.
Speaker: And I guarantee it's because Slash had a hand in it.
Speaker: If you listen to the Super Awesome Pinball Show and the Eric interview, if you listen to the Jersey Jack Pinball podcast with the Slash and Eric interview, there are so many times where they hit a road bump on licensing.
Speaker: My favorite one is when they're talking about Live or Let Die.
Speaker: It's a Paul McCartney song.
Speaker: Live and Let Die.
Speaker: live and let die, uh, guns and roses had, had done their own version for use your illusion one or two.
Speaker: I can't remember which album it's on.
Speaker: Um, and it's, it's almost become a guns and rose staple, even though it's a Paul McCartney song and Eric being the orchestra nerd wanted that song on guns and roses because, you know, just everything about that song.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: And Eric ran into road bump after road bump with licensing.
Speaker: The problem is, is it's got multiple licensing.
Speaker: It's just not one licensor.
Speaker: And it just had felt like an abandon all hope kind of situation.
Speaker: And he ends up talking to Slash.
Speaker: I can't remember how long they've been fighting to get this.
Speaker: And Slash is like, are we good to go with everything?
Speaker: And Eric's like, everything except for live and let die.
Speaker: And he's like, what's the problem we're having?
Speaker: And he's like, slash, we can't.
Speaker: It's it's Paul McCartney.
Speaker: Like, we can't get this license locked down.
Speaker: And slash is like, give me 15 minutes.
Speaker: Within 15 minutes, throw on a three way call.
Speaker: It's slash Paul freaking McCartney and Eric.
Speaker: And they're like, yeah, this isn't a problem.
Speaker: Paul's like, yeah, you guys can use it.
Speaker: Just put it in the game.
Speaker: We'll get it worked out.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I don't know if it was a three-way call, but certainly Slash called him and took care of it.
Speaker: But still, the point being is Slash wanted stuff in this game.
Speaker: He wanted the Gibson name.
Speaker: He wanted the Fender name.
Speaker: He wanted the Vader for the drumsticks.
Speaker: There were certain licensing things that, from a perspective of, became a lot easier with Slash involved than...
Speaker: And so all this integration, you can tell that someone that wants to be involved with the project and wants to see this as... It went past just making a pinball machine for Slash and Eric and...
Speaker: It went to a full-on passion project.
Speaker: And you could get that.
Speaker: Slash said that.
Speaker: It's like he wanted a game that was his.
Speaker: I mean, he dragged band members into the recording studio to make them record their stuff.
Speaker: And just, it's amazing.
Speaker: It is amazing how much theme integration there is in this game.
Speaker: And that's the thing about Jersey Jacks.
Speaker: The theme integrations are amazing.
Speaker: Like, look at Hobbit.
Speaker: Look at Wizard of Oz.
Speaker: It just is... That is their shtick, right?
Speaker: And so, I don't know why I was going with this, but seriously, that's my takeaway from all this.
Speaker: The problem is now they've raised the bar pretty high because they've had Slash, who was involved with the whole project, raise the bar.
Speaker: Because he could.
Speaker: And so where does that leave Jersey Jack on the next game?
Speaker: Say they do Toy Story.
Speaker: We saw how Pirates of the Caribbean, yeah, it plays fantastic, but no one ever talks about the theme integration because you don't have scenes from the movies besides the boat floating on the water and stuff like that.
Speaker: You get what I'm saying here?
Speaker: It certainly has an immersive theme integration, and I'm sure that there was some sort of
Speaker: understanding with guns and roses early slash that there's really only so much they could pay for the license.
Speaker: Um, and so that was, uh, I'm sure there was a lot more, more of slash being involved in saying, look, we don't care.
Speaker: Like we don't need the money.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: It wasn't a K it wasn't a money grab for them.
Speaker: It wasn't a pay us money for this.
Speaker: It was, Hey, let's make a really awesome pinball machine.
Speaker: And I'm sure they I'm sure they got some money for it, but they they could have pulled a Star Wars where it was an expensive license.
Speaker: And so obviously the build of materials suffered, but that that didn't seem to be that.
Speaker: Now, that being said, if you want the LE, you're paying $10,000 for it.
Speaker: So there is a lot in there.
Speaker: And so the build of materials does cover that.
Speaker: So this is me projecting.
Speaker: I don't have any inside information.
Speaker: But that's it.
Speaker: I think, yes, it is certainly a complete, well, immersive game.
Speaker: But I would say you would get a similar thing from Iron Maiden.
Speaker: Iron Maiden did this similar type thing where they were easy to work with and they they were fully involved.
Speaker: But you can get that with a band who has the licensing and the artistic assets and everything all together.
Speaker: You can't get that with a movie.
Speaker: You can't get that with a lot of other things just because there are other considerations to be made.
Speaker: And I agree to a point, but I just feel like this is on another level.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Just listening back to some of that stuff, I just feel like, I don't know, just listening to Slash's passion for this, it got me excited for this.
Speaker: And
Speaker: Really, Jersey Jack should use that to their advantage.
Speaker: They really should.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Did you listen to the Jersey Jack podcast, the one with Slash and Eric?
Speaker: I haven't yet.
Speaker: I've been working the last two weeks, and so I'm a little behind in that.
Speaker: So there's a part where Ken asks Slash.
Speaker: He says, hey, would you ever consider doing another pinball machine?
Speaker: Because you're obviously good at this.
Speaker: And Slash is like, definitely, sign me up.
Speaker: Where can I sign up?
Speaker: And it's like, could you imagine any other theme in Slash just being involved?
Speaker: And I'm not saying he's a fantastic playfield designer, but if you could break down boundaries and licensing that have been put up over the last decade, that could be game changer for the pinball industry.
Speaker: Everyone always rants and raves about Adam's family and all the voice characters and the integration.
Speaker: you know, if we're going to be honest, this is just me projecting, but like Adam's family isn't a fantastic shooting game.
Speaker: In my opinion, like it's a fun game.
Speaker: Don't get me wrong, but it's kind of shoot the scoop, shoot the ramp, shoot the scoop, shoot the ramp.
Speaker: You don't really have to complete the mode.
Speaker: You just kind of do it over and over to complete all the modes and the, you get the wonderful, the amazing start to, you know, tour the mansion and,
Speaker: And the jackpot is just amazing on that.
Speaker: Like there is aspects of that game that just is fantastic.
Speaker: But in my opinion, there are better games nowadays that far trump Adam's family.
Speaker: But the love it gets is because of its theme integration.
Speaker: Well, the love it gets is because it's the first one that really started the mode based games.
Speaker: Yeah, I guess that is true as well.
Speaker: So it was kind of a landmark.
Speaker: And I know my friend Gary, that's his go-to game or his grail game.
Speaker: He sold an Addams Family Gold because he wants a better one.
Speaker: And I keep saying, I think you may just get a different game.
Speaker: It's not that big of a deal.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But if you love Adam's family, awesome.
Speaker: Like that's cool.
Speaker: Like, well, everybody has their, everybody has their, you know, their special purpose, their grail game.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And that's why it's, that's why it's fine.
Speaker: So it'll, it'll be interesting to see where this goes in the future.
Speaker: Cause this, this release and this level of involvement by a licensor seems unprecedented in the history of pinball,
Speaker: when it comes to the popularity of the license and, uh, the integration.
Speaker: Uh, is this a one-off?
Speaker: I actually kind of think this is a, this is an anomaly.
Speaker: I don't think it's going to carry over.
Speaker: Um, I I'm kind of there with you.
Speaker: Do you think Jon Bon Jovi is going to be as involved in his pinball machine?
Speaker: I don't think so.
Speaker: No, no.
Speaker: And we could be wrong.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: So, um,
Speaker: The one that made me chuckle is Tim Lee.
Speaker: I don't know if you know Tim.
Speaker: He's a great guy.
Speaker: I love the dude because his profile picture is of our shirt.
Speaker: And I think that's cool that someone actually enjoys us enough that they'd actually rep us on their Facebook page.
Speaker: And so, but he kind of did like a tongue in cheek, like,
Speaker: Avengers or Guns N' Roses kind of question, you know?
Speaker: And he was trying to make the point of why do we need to...
Speaker: like decide either or if you got the money and you love them both why can't you buy them both essentially and i totally agree with him why why do we have that in this community where it's like no you got to buy avengers or no it's guns and roses like no you suck like it's like adam sandler and the little kid and billy madison you remember that where he's like donkey kong sucks no mortal kombat sucks no you suck no you suck you know
Speaker: And I feel like we're kind of that point.
Speaker: And why can't we the little girl from the taco commercial where she's like, why not both?
Speaker: And everyone then cheers.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, I understand you're going to have a, well, if you're buying one, which one are you going to buy?
Speaker: Cause I made that decision.
Speaker: Uh, I guns and roses.
Speaker: That was the worst kept secret.
Speaker: Like everybody knew this was coming and even slash that.
Speaker: Yeah, we're making a pinball machine.
Speaker: So, uh, that was the worst kept secret.
Speaker: The, the challenges, which one do you want to buy?
Speaker: And my attitude is if you really want a game and I've said this before, if there's a grail game out there, guess what?
Speaker: You'll probably be able to get it at some point.
Speaker: So don't kill yourself.
Speaker: Pick one, try it out.
Speaker: If it works for you, great, hold on to it.
Speaker: If you don't, then sell it and move on.
Speaker: You can buy both games at some point, but I did prioritize about Avengers and I love it.
Speaker: Well, and like we've always said, if you don't know what to buy, then hold off.
Speaker: These are still going to location and whatnot.
Speaker: Grab your mask, grab your hand sanitizer, and go support your favorite company or your favorite arcade or bar and go out there and play some pinball.
Speaker: These are going to be out there.
Speaker: It's been too much of a hit not to be out there.
Speaker: So go play it and you decide.
Speaker: If you can only buy one, then so be it.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: But I don't know.
Speaker: I have a hard time with guns and roses.
Speaker: We both discussed this because it's not super family friendly.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Even though there is a family mode and Eric said that obviously there is a family mode and he has kids too.
Speaker: And I, I'm sure they will learn all the swear words out there.
Speaker: And, but I just don't want them to be on the pinball machine.
Speaker: And Eric said, there's a big sheet when you buy the, the game underneath that says,
Speaker: This ship's in family mode.
Speaker: If you want to experience the whole game, then you have to turn on the adult settings.
Speaker: And that's fine.
Speaker: I just don't want someone dropping an F-bomb at me in my house.
Speaker: I agree.
Speaker: And that's, like I said, that's the hard part for me, too, is I can't really bring it into my home.
Speaker: And I'd want to play the full version because I would feel like I'm missing out if I'm not.
Speaker: And then it's just... And I know it's easy to switch back and forth.
Speaker: Like, don't get me wrong.
Speaker: But I just...
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I got young, impressionable minds.
Speaker: I don't, I don't want the sling plastics of the women in their bikinis and stuff.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, but that's, you know, it's kind of like saying, do you like movies?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But not every movie is going to be, um, appropriate for all audiences.
Speaker: And that's why they have, uh, that's why they have ratings.
Speaker: So,
Speaker: So I guess my point to all this, if you're on the fence of either or go play them both, don't feel obligated to pick a side.
Speaker: I mean, it's pinball.
Speaker: Even Eric Minier said this when he came on our show a year and a half ago.
Speaker: He's like, any pinball is good pinball, right?
Speaker: Well, they all know each other and they're all friends.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: So it's not like it's West Side Story when they run into each other at Burger King.
Speaker: I can see that.
Speaker: I can see when Eric sees Keith, they just start doing a snap dance fight.
Speaker: So, all right.
Speaker: I think we've covered Avengers.
Speaker: I think we've covered Guns N' Roses.
Speaker: There's only a couple more things I wanted to cover.
Speaker: Is there anything else you want to add to this before we move off this topic?
Speaker: No, I think I think they're both hits.
Speaker: Like, I'm really happy for both of them because I think they both made exactly what they wanted to.
Speaker: And I think they will get a big following.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: I totally agree.
Speaker: And I guess my last my last thing is, is we need to stop giving companies crap for not doing what other companies are doing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So, you know, JJP is doing what they do best and Stern's doing what they do best.
Speaker: American pinball is doing what they do best.
Speaker: I mean, it kind of, it kind of words me out when we're like, well, they're not doing this, but JJP is doing it.
Speaker: There's room at the table.
Speaker: There's room at the table for everyone.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And so they all have their shtick.
Speaker: Let them do it.
Speaker: So cool.
Speaker: Uh, let's talk about, I don't really want to give my personal opinion on this.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: But, uh, that's a good way of starting a segment.
Speaker: I don't know how to say it.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: What's your thoughts on the CPR play field kits?
Speaker: I don't know what to call them.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We've talked about, uh, obviously there's a history of very sexual images in pinball and kind of being dominated by the audience that they were trying to sell to, which was kind of young boys and men.
Speaker: So they pushed that, um, you know, I'm just going to say the stereotypical beer commercial, that image, right.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And so there are, you showed me these, there, there's some conversion kits out there for Harlem Globetrotters and they're kind of in that realm.
Speaker: They're a little bit scantily clad women.
Speaker: And
Speaker: I understand there's an audience for it somewhere because obviously people still buy them and do that.
Speaker: But I it just feels a little dated.
Speaker: It's I fully admit that there's an audience for it.
Speaker: I'm not the audience.
Speaker: And I I'm a little surprised that they're still making those now because it feels a little dated.
Speaker: But that's just my take.
Speaker: The other thought I have too is if you haven't looked at these, do go on CPR play fields or CPR restoration, Google it.
Speaker: I can't remember what exactly what it is.
Speaker: I apologize.
Speaker: CPR.
Speaker: Um, but one it's Holland gold trotters is converted over to inked.
Speaker: It's, it's, uh, a bunch of women tattoos, you know, nothing wrong with tattoos.
Speaker: It looks kind of cool, but it's, it feels like a Maxim magazine though.
Speaker: So it's not, it's not like a playboy, but it's certainly, um,
Speaker: Yeah, it's certainly more on the gentleman's magazine, if you want to put it that way.
Speaker: Yeah, put it that way.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: And then the other one is that I've seen so far is for Playboy, which I mean, if you own a Playboy, you're obviously not against this.
Speaker: But they came out with a Playmate one, which is like, I guess, an updated version of all the the girls in Playboy.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: But what confuses me is I don't know.
Speaker: There are people out there.
Speaker: I don't think I'd want a hot pink pinball machine in my collection.
Speaker: I mean, that's like hot pink if you look at it.
Speaker: Yeah, I think it's it's fine.
Speaker: And it's nothing against the color pink and there's no commentary on gender association with the color.
Speaker: It's just, I don't like pink.
Speaker: I'm sorry.
Speaker: It's just, it's, yeah.
Speaker: So anywho, but I don't play boy actually retails for a decent price.
Speaker: And so does Harlem glow trotters.
Speaker: would you drop $3,000 on one of these kits to spend how many hours?
Speaker: Cause it's cabinet decals.
Speaker: It's, it's plastics.
Speaker: It's a whole new play field.
Speaker: It's a translate.
Speaker: I mean, it's a full kit.
Speaker: You're converting your pinball machine over to this.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I mean, it's just me, but I look at a lot of resale value.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: Like I just have a hard time spending 3000 on something that I don't know if I'll get the money ever out of it again.
Speaker: Yeah, I can see if someone gets a roached one where they're interested in having this polarizing theme conversion, I can see them wanting to do something like that.
Speaker: But it's kind of like having a car that you hot rod out.
Speaker: as it really has to be to your tastes like that's, that's for you.
Speaker: That's not really for anyone else.
Speaker: And you're probably not going to get much out of it when you sell it.
Speaker: So it's, I would just say this is a very limited targeted audience.
Speaker: Well, and I do want to know, I mean, if you guys, if anyone out there is buying one, we won't shame you or anything.
Speaker: I do really want to know if you guys are buying this because it seems like Scott said, it's very targeted audience.
Speaker: It's, um, I just don't see inked as a theme that, that, I don't know, that grabs people.
Speaker: I could be wrong.
Speaker: Don't know.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So, but cool.
Speaker: So, all right, last but not least, let's talk about our giveaway.
Speaker: It's been since August.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Sorry, guys.
Speaker: We we've been a little behind on this.
Speaker: And so we are going to announce the winner of the first giveaway.
Speaker: And then we are going to be shamelessly asking for shares and reviews.
Speaker: And we will do the same thing again.
Speaker: So go ahead.
Speaker: Take it away, Josh.
Speaker: So we did the drawing a couple weeks ago.
Speaker: We pulled the name.
Speaker: Usually we do the spinning of the wheel and whatnot.
Speaker: We're not doing that today.
Speaker: We pulled out a name.
Speaker: So if you don't remember, the contest was go to your favorite pinball place, arcade, barcade, even if it's at home.
Speaker: We wanted to support the local arcades.
Speaker: They're starting to fail.
Speaker: There's a lot of people closing doors.
Speaker: And so...
Speaker: you know, I guess it was to help incentivize people to get out the door and to go support those.
Speaker: They're having a really rough time right now.
Speaker: Um, and we also said, if you didn't feel comfortable doing that, you could do it from your home, whatever it may be.
Speaker: We got a surprising amount of submissions.
Speaker: It was pretty awesome.
Speaker: A lot of people showing a lot of love for the arcades.
Speaker: Uh, the one that we drew out was Glenn Watcher, I think is his name.
Speaker: I, uh,
Speaker: w-a-e-c-h-t-e-r watcher
Speaker: That's what I'm going with.
Speaker: It's Glenn Watcher.
Speaker: I want to share a story really quick.
Speaker: He went to no quarter in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker: He said this is one of his favorite places.
Speaker: Well, kind of.
Speaker: They're trying to keep location pinball alive in the middle of Tennessee.
Speaker: Just before the pandemic, though, the tornado hit and took out half their building.
Speaker: They're only open temporarily right now, three days a week with social distancing requirements.
Speaker: The new building will be done in about six months.
Speaker: but he wanted to give a shout out to no quarter in Tennessee.
Speaker: That is awesome.
Speaker: That is so cool that you're supporting them.
Speaker: And it sounds like they've had quite the trauma between a tornado and the pandemic.
Speaker: So Glenn watcher, we will be reaching out to you on Facebook if you don't reach out to us first.
Speaker: Um, but we'll reach out to you and get your swag back and get your information.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: And really quickly, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker: People have been reviewing us.
Speaker: We really appreciate it.
Speaker: We went from like 15 reviews on the Pinball Database to 34, I think is what we're at right now.
Speaker: I mean, holy crap, more than doubled.
Speaker: And...
Speaker: we're number one on pinball database right now.
Speaker: And so it is so cool that we're at the number one pinball promoter database there on twip.
Speaker: Uh, we, we thank you for leaving us five star reviews.
Speaker: Uh, we appreciate the kind words.
Speaker: Um, I don't know what else to put to that.
Speaker: What do you want to say, Scott?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: We do this for fun.
Speaker: I really, that's the whole point of this.
Speaker: And
Speaker: It means a lot to me and I know it means a lot to Josh that we have been able to mean something to someone else.
Speaker: And even if it's that giving you an hour, a little over an hour every two weeks, just to think about something other than all the stress that we've been dealing with in life this year, we feel very flattered and humbled that people are able to
Speaker: spend their time with us together.
Speaker: And so just from the bottom of my heart, I would like to say thanks to people.
Speaker: And we would like to continue that.
Speaker: Obviously, having reviews helps us spread our our our tribe across for people who are willing to just have a low drama pinball.
Speaker: And so we would like to continue that with more people.
Speaker: And so
Speaker: If you want to do a review on iTunes, just snap a picture of your review or just send us an email that, hey, didn't did a review for you.
Speaker: We'll give you if you do three reviews, like one on iTunes, one on this week at pinball.
Speaker: And where else where else are we getting reviewed?
Speaker: I guess, Josh.
Speaker: Android or apple.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Did you say those two?
Speaker: I said, I said apple.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Android or sorry.
Speaker: So yeah.
Speaker: Um, and, and this week in pinball and then, um, okay.
Speaker: And on Facebook, if you want to share a, share a message, that's fine.
Speaker: Uh, we'll give people up to three, uh, entries and I got a swag bag.
Speaker: I've actually been buying a whole bunch of, uh, stickers and, uh, and key chains.
Speaker: and uh and and uh mrs pin actually uh took uh some of my placard things and made earrings out of them and so if you wear earrings these could be for you too so uh we're looking for a few uh where we don't know i'll have to gather all my swag bags together and we'll be able to send them out but uh make some uh make some reviews out there and hopefully we can reach more people and just
Speaker: give a break in their life.
Speaker: And that's pretty much it.
Speaker: We're happy with everybody who's listening and we just want to keep doing it.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: And we do ask that you leave a five-star review.
Speaker: We put a lot of time and effort into this to bring you guys free content, enjoyable content.
Speaker: I think we're the only podcast or one of the only podcasts that doesn't do a Patreon.
Speaker: We just, we're doing it for fun because we want, we want you guys, our audience to feel like you are sitting next to us.
Speaker: And it's just a discussion about pinball and having fun.
Speaker: That is no jab at any other podcast.
Speaker: I think everyone does great at what they are doing.
Speaker: And really, everybody has to find ways of paying the bills.
Speaker: There are ways that you're doing it.
Speaker: I feel very lucky that Josh and I have been able to self-fund.
Speaker: And so if people find different ways of making it work, then great.
Speaker: I'm happy for them.
Speaker: We just do this because we like spending time and we like meeting people.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker: Even our friends at the podcast, they don't pay us anything.
Speaker: We just, we enjoy their product and we feel like they're people that are cool with us.
Speaker: And so we want to support them as well.
Speaker: Yeah, we want to promote them.
Speaker: So, uh, really honestly, like Scott said, we, between hats, Hey, by the way, we got more hats in hats, shirts and other stuff.
Speaker: So if you're interested in one of those, please reach out.
Speaker: And we're looking into face masks.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I know the problem was, is I know Jeff Teols told us we got to do face masks.
Speaker: When did we have us on pinball profile?
Speaker: That was like... Oh, yeah, that was a while ago.
Speaker: It was a while ago.
Speaker: I think we've just been kind of overwhelmed.
Speaker: So just like everybody has been, so...
Speaker: Well, and I think the other thing, too, is like, is like, I think none of us knew how this was going to shake out in March, right?
Speaker: When this all went down.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so we're like, how is this all going to work?
Speaker: Now that we know that masks are going to be here for quite some time, I think it's time.
Speaker: So we're looking into it.
Speaker: So if you want to lose your kid mask, well, hopefully we'll get some.
Speaker: We're working on it.
Speaker: So.
Speaker: Ta-da.
Speaker: Ta-da.
Speaker: Oh, anyway.
Speaker: So, all right.
Speaker: Uh, Josh, uh, where can they reach us if they have any questions?
Speaker: Uh, if you want to get ahold of us, you can contact us at loser kid pinball.
Speaker: We are on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, uh,
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And if you want to get ahold of us via email, we're loser kid pinball podcast at gmail.com.
Speaker: We appreciate everything that you guys submit, whether it be a message or a comment.
Speaker: We love chit chatting with you.
Speaker: Uh, if you want, I don't know.
Speaker: I haven't talked to Scott about this.
Speaker: I've been half tempted to do a discord.
Speaker: Have you ever done discord Scott?
Speaker: I, uh, I'm, I have such limited time, so no, but if you're interested, go ahead.
Speaker: We might.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: It's been cool.
Speaker: I just joined this flipping podcast discord.
Speaker: If you haven't joined that, check that one out.
Speaker: It's been pretty fun.
Speaker: It's fun to get some people in the industry or not necessarily.
Speaker: Sorry.
Speaker: In the community, just chit chat and pinball with each other.
Speaker: It's kind of real time chat.
Speaker: So I don't know.
Speaker: I'm kind of lazy, though.
Speaker: I don't know if I really want to do a discord.
Speaker: It's the upkeep.
Speaker: Well, okay.
Speaker: This is, this is you.
Speaker: So you need to make, you need to make the decision.
Speaker: I'm pretty tapped out time-wise.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: It's seriously just setting it up.
Speaker: It's not that big of a deal, but it's, I don't know.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: We'll figure it out.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: So other than that, I think that's it.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Well, thanks for tuning in and I'll see you in a couple of weeks.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: See you in a couple of weeks.
