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Ep 81: Leading Up to TPF
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Scott and Josh are talking about the exciting things leading up to TPF and also an update on the dumpster fire that is Deeproot.
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Introduction and Anticipation
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Thanks for tuning in to the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
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We are on episode 81.
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I'm Josh Roop.
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With me, my co-host is always... Scott Larson.
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And Scott, you know what?
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I can't wait.
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I know Zach's probably being driven up the walls from me because I'm messaging him once a week now.
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That sweet, sweet Godzilla premium's coming from flipping out.
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Whoa.
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I know you.
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You're like, oh, it's just like Christmas.
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I show up from work and it's sitting in my driveway.
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But with me, I'm like, I got to know because I don't want it sitting in my driveway.
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Okay.
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It's not sitting in my driveway.
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Usually, actually, my wife does this joke.
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She's like, the only time I know that we're getting something is when I get a text from you.
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It's like, hey, you're going to be home today.
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Cause she has to sign for it.
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I'm technically, I, I had to, I had to beg my neighbor.
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Cause one time, cause my wife was gone.
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And so I actually called my neighbor.
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I'm like, can you go over?
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So my, my little sweet 75 year old neighbor walked over and signed for, for my game.
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Yeah.
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But I'm excited.
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The only part that stinks is like, I want to know just because we're leaving for Texas next week, right?
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Like we're coming up.
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It's getting that time.
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So I just don't want to be like, as soon as we leave for Texas, I wake up Friday morning and FedEx is like, by the way, we're stopping by your house.
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Yeah.
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And I actually, I ordered a rush banner.
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I don't have too much wall space for decoration, but I had to get the rush banner.
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So the rush banner is on its way, and I sent off the payment.
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And I also got some Iron Maiden art blades.
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They were delivered recently.
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So now I have a few mods to install.
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But again, that's Flippin' Out Pinball.
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If you want all your pinball needs, go ahead and contact Zach and Nicole at Flippin' Out Pinball.com.
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They are always good to work with.
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And if you want to get on their list, because right now supplies are limited.
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So if you have that thing on your wish list, please let them know and they will figure out a way to get that to you.
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And they will give you the royal treatment.
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I just... I honestly have only had to make two warranty claims ever with new inbox.
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And I've bought new inbox for like four years now.
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And it's just... I got the Stern Insider connected.
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And the light is like strobing inside the QR reader.
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Zach's I got taken care of.
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He said it should be here shortly.
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Just make sure I mail it back.
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Man, he took care... Like...
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Just everything's smooth with Zach and very efficient.
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It'll get it done.
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Pinball is complicated and they're not going to be perfect when they come out.
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So when you buy a machine, it's not actually
Podcast Episodes and Upcoming Events
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getting the machine.
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It's the service associated with the machine that will differentiate where you buy things from.
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So just like buying a car or buying an air conditioner, right?
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Yep.
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So if you want great customer service and great product, give Zach and Nicole Manny a call.
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Okay, Josh.
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You know what?
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Let's start off.
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We've actually done a couple episodes without a guest.
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And the challenge is that we are leading up to Texas Pinball Festival.
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And this tends to be a little slower time just because not a lot is coming out.
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We do want to have a few more.
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We have a few more guests lined up that are Rush-related, but we wanted to give you guys a break a little bit because I know not all of you are...
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our fan boy ish enough on rush.
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Um, but, uh, we, you know, all the pinball industry, it, it seems to be in a sleeper mode.
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And so I agree, Josh, let's just talk a little bit, a lot.
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Um, we haven't actually given an update on our lives.
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And so maybe, uh, just do a quick update.
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This isn't, of course, this isn't, uh, you know, uh, this isn't our Ted talk.
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This isn't our, uh, Oprah, uh, sharing our souls, but,
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Yeah, but just a little bit about what's going on.
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And then we have more Deep Root coming at you.
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And then afterwards, we're going to talk about what we're hoping for Texas.
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Scott the Destroyer hasn't talked about Deep Root in a while.
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It's been a while.
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It's been a while.
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Well, I'll go first.
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Last little bit in my life, it's still been chaos.
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I'm glad that Texas is next week.
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I'm ready for a break.
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I'm ready to get away and chit-chat with some friends and eat some sweet barbecue.
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Charles,
Pinball and Life Balance
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sir, thank you for sending all the photos of hard eight barbecue because apparently that's where we're going to go eat.
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And the food looks amazing.
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No, it's great.
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We are.
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Yeah.
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Well, OK, you're jumping to the end.
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That's the Texas preview.
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Sorry.
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That is the Texas preview.
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I don't know if I ever talked about I got an Earthshaker.
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I'm very happy with it.
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I got it from an old arcade route guy that I've worked with for years.
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His product usually gets not in the most pristine condition, but it's a really good price.
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So I always fix him up.
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And I thought I'd got his last one, and he's offered me one more.
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So I need to go take a look at it.
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Oh, what is it?
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He's really... No fear.
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Okay.
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I actually told you...
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I like no fair.
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It's, it's not super deep, but it's, I think it's fun.
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It's, it's fun and fast.
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Like it's a motorcycle feel game.
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So, so, and especially where prices are at right now is pinball machines.
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He's really good to me.
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He's like, I'm not going to sell it out from underneath you.
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Just when you get time, you come out, take a look at it.
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And I wasn't, yeah.
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Okay.
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So I bought multiple games from him over the years.
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He's, he's been great.
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So that's where I'm at.
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And Godzilla is coming in.
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Family's doing good.
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Soccer started back up.
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I'm an assistant coach for my son's team.
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And it's just that, man.
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Family life is insane.
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I don't know.
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I don't know about you people that are listening.
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I don't know if you have a big family, a small family, if it's just you, if it's you and a spouse.
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But I don't know how we do it nowadays.
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It's just constant 100% running all the time.
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And that's what my life feels like right now.
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I am grateful for the, I don't want to say distraction because I don't want to minimize what we do in pinball and what anybody does in pinball.
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But this is a healthy release that doesn't really have anything to do with my job.
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It doesn't really have anything to do with
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with anything else that I, that I'm responsible for.
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So this, this is a great way to, uh, to bridge out and to, and this is my playtime.
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Like talking pinball is my playtime and playing pinball and doing that kind of stuff.
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Um,
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want to give a shout out to a local guy, James Bishop, who printed me.
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I said I was looking for one of those Captain Marvel fixer ramps.
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And he actually... So, oh, update.
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I sold Spider-Man.
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Oh, wow.
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Congrats.
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Yeah.
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Came out with...
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with his buddy Garrett and he looked at it and it's a beautiful machine.
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All my games tend to be pretty pristine.
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Otherwise it just, it's not worth it for me.
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And so he bought it and took it.
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And I was talking to him a little bit about the captain Marvel ramp.
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And he's like, you know, I got a 3d printer.
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I can, I can print one for you.
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And so he did.
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He printed off a Captain Marvel.
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And he also he's made his own version of a Penn Stadium like thing.
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Yes.
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And so I'm getting it tomorrow or Saturday, actually.
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Yeah.
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So you're getting it, too.
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So and he was showing me what he did.
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And so I I actually had to run down to St.
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George to work over the weekend and had some family obligations.
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And so I've been so busy all week.
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I haven't been able to install it and try it out.
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But it's been, it's a lot of fun.
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I love, I love how, um, I'm not naive.
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There are toxic people in the pinball community, but for the most part, the people that I gravitate toward are the people who are, are generally positive and really want to be welcome and inclusive.
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And so that's my update.
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But yeah, I stopped off.
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So I have that Captain Marvel fix, which I'm really excited.
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My Captain Marvel ramp is actually pretty good, except occasionally, man, you shoot that shot and it just ricochets and goes straight down the middle.
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It comes screaming at you fast.
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Yeah.
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I know it's I still love Avengers every time I think you know I could sell it which Elwyn would I sell and I'm like oh maybe I'll sell Avengers I'm like no I can't I like it too much oh guess what I like all of them so yeah I don't think any of them are getting sold anytime soon you always look at your collection like if I have to get rid of one which one is it be which one's on the chopping block
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And looking at my collection right now, I'm like, probably Earthshaker.
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But the problem is, is my kids are loving Earthshaker.
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Like, it's so simplistic.
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And then the whole shaking of the machine that's actually integrated with the theme versus, like, you're playing Star Trek and all of a sudden the shaker is shaking because you hit a shot.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Right.
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Yeah, it's like having the shaker motor in Jurassic Park when you start T-Rex multiball.
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It makes sense, right?
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Yeah, but sometimes it doesn't.
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That's why I was saying like Star Trek, you get a shot.
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It's like, just because I hit a shot and they're out in space doesn't mean you should be shaking it.
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It's a machine vibrator.
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Yeah, so it's just kind of fun.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, no, it's good.
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And it's still, we've had a lot of just small things, just family obligations that have stacked up.
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And I'm hoping that we are coming out of that.
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So, and, you know, nothing, nothing terrible, just, just a lot of small things that are stacking up that just take a lot of time away from everything.
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from pinball and, and even just away from any, any other thing.
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I, I have ski, I have a ski pass this year, but because I've been so busy with everything else, I've only gone twice.
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Yeah.
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So it's, it's been more challenging, but you know, it's okay.
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Uh, life's good.
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Uh, we are really looking forward to Texas, but first, before we talk about Texas, let's talk about our favorite deep hole in Texas, which is deep root.
Deep Root Pinball Scandal
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Okay.
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So Josh, it's been a while since we talked about our favorite punching bag.
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Let's Robert Mueller.
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So what, what, what has come up with deep root?
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And I, it just, it still just boggles my mind.
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So I want to make a disclaimer here before we get into this, when we talk about deep root, we're mainly talking just about Robert Mueller.
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Yeah.
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There's a lot of people that like, it sucks that they got towed under and like they got taken advantage of.
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And a lot of the times, like,
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we're just glad that some of the people like Steve Bowden and Dennis Norman, and some of those that got picked up by other companies and they've made the best out of a really bad situation.
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So, and there's a lot of victims by the way.
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And yes, I, I do lay it solely on Robert Mueller.
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I mean, just, which is crazy.
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Well, okay.
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That that's where con artists work, right?
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I mean, con artists are experts at shell games.
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And so that's exactly what's going on.
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So now, okay, so I'll give you the, I'll give you the update.
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So this last couple of weeks has been kind of getting all the nitty gritty out of the way.
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The judge has been just a couple of days ago.
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If you want to follow along, go on the pit side thread, blueberry Johnson, man, I don't know.
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If you love the man, if you hate him, if you just love a train wreck, you have been on top of all the information.
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We really should have this dude on at some point in time.
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He is like the Robert Mueller expert.
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Absolutely.
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And so he kind of went over exactly what was said with the judge.
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It sounds like they were trying to say that they should kind of save the taxpayer dollars and just kind of call it quits.
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And it sounds like
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The U.S. attorneys want to get a piece of Mueller.
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SEC wants a piece of Mueller.
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There's other people suing that want a piece of Mueller.
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So it sounds like this whole shenanigans isn't going away anytime soon.
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And it sounds like Robert Mueller needs to strap in for the rollercoaster ride he's about to go through with all of it.
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In the meantime... You know the floating dumpster?
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It's a meme, right?
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The floating dumpster that's on fire.
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Yes.
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That doesn't even begin to describe...
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the train wreck this is.
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This is more like a supernova that is just destroying everything in its wake.
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Because there's no one who wins in this.
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No.
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There's no one who wins in this.
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I mean, there's no way to put logic to any of it either.
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Because, like, I think, like, what was the logic to all this?
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Like, you were swindling people out of insurance and life policies.
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Yeah.
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And then you just happened to start a pinball company.
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Was it to stroke your ego?
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Or, like, it just makes no sense.
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But then again, I think of The Dark Knight.
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And Alfred in his wise words of some people just want to see the planet burn, the world burn.
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See, I don't think that.
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I think it's a con artist is a con artist.
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And they will try to.
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It's a time game.
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Like they know eventually they will get caught.
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It's catch me if you can.
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They know eventually they're going to get caught, but they're going to see how far they can push it.
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And so that's why when he's taking all this money and he starts another company, there is this remote, remote pipe dream that he starts this idea and then someone comes in and buys it for a bunch of money and then he moves on.
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But the fact that he wasn't even paying the policies on all these people that he stole the money from, I think that would be the most optimistic way you could look at this guy.
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That he was actually had any intention on making good for this because I don't think so.
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I think it was just a shell game.
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He's a delusional narcissist who that's all.
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It doesn't matter what chaos he's inflicted on anybody else.
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It's still only...
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comes back to him personally, like how, how it affects him because this is Brewster's millions.
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If you're, if you're my age and you saw the movie and it's actually a remake of an older movie where you have to spend all this money, you have to be trying to spend this money.
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Yeah.
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To, to, to be burning through this much, but what's gutsy is like, he's asking the judge and this wasn't the last meeting.
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It was like one of the court hearings before that, but he's asking for like an allowance.
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Like, yeah, you've frozen all my assets.
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Can I at least have like 7,000 a week?
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What was it?
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Maybe it was 4,000.
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I can't remember.
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It was a ridiculous amount of money.
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Okay.
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It was more, it was way more than I spend.
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I'll put it that way.
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Yeah.
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So, so let's just say a pro stern a week is what he wanted to do.
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So, yeah,
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So let's turn our attention back to they've, they've cracked open the deep root facilities.
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They're starting to auction off.
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You saw the pictures, Josh.
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What was your initial feel when you look at this?
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I really felt like it was a bare bone startup company.
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Cause there was, there was stuff like what percentage of this show that it was a pinball company?
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Well, when the first photos came out, nothing.
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When we first got those first photos, it was like, here's the cafeteria.
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With a black hole just in the middle of the cafeteria, right?
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Yeah, which is a pretty fitting pinball machine metaphor for that company.
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And a Raza that was parked in front of the restroom.
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I mean, it really... We saw some CNC machines and even Spooky said this would be overkill because they're like, well, maybe Spooky will buy it.
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Like, no, this is too much for what we even need right now.
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And it just...
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Man, just looking at that place, it looked like the cobwebs have a facade.
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Yeah, it looks like it just came out of the plastic.
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It looks like a facade.
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It looks like someone who's spending a lot of money to appear to be a company, but none of it actually looks like it's actually done anything.
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I, there, there's very little here that differentiates it from a pinball company.
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Well, and that's the part that sucks is like you look at, but you look at like the other pictures have come out now that we're seeing like the luchador, uh, play field that we started seeing, cause they were talking about like some of these play fields are just slapped in random cabinets.
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So it's actually not like food trucks and food trucks, cabinet and yada, yada, yada.
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We're seeing these play fields, which whoever's taking these pictures, I know that you're just taking them so you can auction off stuff.
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please use a different camera than like a Sony Handycam from like 2005.
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Yeah.
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Or your iPhone 3G.
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We have, we have the technology, but there's a lot of, that's the thing.
00:16:53
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There might've been a facade, but,
00:16:56
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looking at what the designers had been doing and the concepts they've been coming up with, uh, there was some really cool ideas here.
00:17:03
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And so it just, it seemed like the plane had never taken off the ground.
00:17:08
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Like they were checking the systems.
00:17:10
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They were, you know, the lights were green to go.
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It just, we weren't,
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manufacturing yet.
00:17:15
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And may that was never the game plan.
00:17:18
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I don't know.
00:17:18
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It was never the game plan, Josh.
00:17:20
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There's nothing here that says you had any mass production capabilities whatsoever.
00:17:24
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They had all those work benches in the CNC machines.
00:17:27
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Okay, fine.
00:17:28
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But okay, I'm looking here.
00:17:30
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So just in case you're looking for auctions and you want to see what's going on,
00:17:34
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Um, there's a Mel Davis auctions and just auction guy, just Mel Davis auctions, two 32 deep root San Antonio.
00:17:41
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Okay.
00:17:43
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I'm going through there now.
00:17:44
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Ironically, we're going to talk about a few things that are missing now, um, because we saw some pictures when it was first released, um,
00:17:52
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And there you are going all the way to number 58, lot 58 before you even see pinball stuff.
00:18:03
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Yeah.
00:18:04
Speaker
Okay.
00:18:04
Speaker
Everything else is general office stuff.
00:18:06
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The next one is.
00:18:09
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Cause who doesn't want a big box of deep root water bottles?
00:18:12
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Oh, the water bottles are fantastic.
00:18:14
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By the way, if anyone wants to buy those water bottles and give them to me, I will definitely make the most of those water bottles.
00:18:21
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And if there's anything on here that I want is those water bottles.
00:18:24
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Okay.
00:18:25
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Lot 84 again, incomplete pinball machine.
00:18:28
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Then you have 86, by the way, incomplete pinball machine, retro attractive, uh, zombie, whatever adventure land.
00:18:35
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Um,
00:18:36
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Incomplete pinball machine should be the new, uh, the new rebranding of deep root incomplete machine, incomplete pinball.
00:18:44
Speaker
Oh, actually, do you know what's the best?
00:18:47
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Um, on a lot 86 incomplete pinball machine.
00:18:51
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They even misspelled pinball.
00:18:53
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Nice.
00:18:53
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Yeah.
00:18:55
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So, and honestly, let's, let's take a look from the auctioning company at this point.
00:19:00
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Like they probably see a lot of things.
00:19:02
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They don't care, but they probably don't see a lot of things.
00:19:03
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They probably see a lot of things.
00:19:04
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There's like, yeah, this is what it is.
00:19:06
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But like, how much of the stuff they look at and like, is this even a word?
00:19:10
Speaker
They have more elliptical and exercise stuff.
00:19:12
Speaker
Then they have pinball stuff.
00:19:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:19:15
Speaker
Well, you wanted a healthy environment, man.
00:19:17
Speaker
About five.
00:19:18
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Okay.
00:19:18
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I'm five.
00:19:20
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Maybe like,
00:19:22
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Okay, I'm already to lot 180 and I've seen about five pinball related things.
00:19:28
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I mean, that could legitimately be out of somebody's like backroom hobby thing.
00:19:36
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My real question is, because starting to look at these designs and whatnot, you could easily take a snapshot of these.
00:19:40
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And obviously the community has.
00:19:42
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Yeah.
00:19:43
Speaker
Do we start seeing some of these pop up over at American?
00:19:45
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Because I don't know.
00:19:47
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I mean, okay, you look at any pinball.
00:19:52
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It doesn't take much to throw a...
00:19:56
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like something on a pinball, like a, a geometric layout.
00:20:00
Speaker
Right.
00:20:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:20:01
Speaker
Like you can put, you can, you can design a pinball machine, but they were gaining more and more employees from deep root.
00:20:08
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Like they were, it felt like they were starting to take on some of, they were kind of cherry picking some of the stuff through, through deep root already.
00:20:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:20:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:20:17
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And that's the only reason I ask.
00:20:19
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I'm like, do some of these designs... I don't know.
00:20:22
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I don't know exactly how it all works.
00:20:25
Speaker
And where there's so much red tape, I doubt that Robert Mueller even has time.
00:20:29
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If they did use a design, if he didn't have time to sue American for...
00:20:35
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copier.
00:20:36
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If there's even is such a thing for a company that doesn't exist.
00:20:39
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I don't know.
00:20:40
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It's just, it's the whole thing is just wacky.
00:20:42
Speaker
But the funny part was, is like you had found like
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00:20:45
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a picture of Jesus, like a good size picture of Jesus.
00:20:47
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Yeah.
00:20:48
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It's no longer there, but they had, they had art from there.
00:20:51
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And I thought even Jesus finds this ironic that a total scam artist has a picture of him that they're trying to sell in their recouping their price.
00:21:01
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Yeah.
00:21:02
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do you think he consulted Jesus like on the wall and was like, what do you think of fire and brimstone?
00:21:08
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I don't know.
00:21:09
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I don't know.
00:21:10
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It's a, it is one of the modes, how to swindle a 71 million out of your church congregation.
00:21:15
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Maybe.
00:21:16
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Yeah.
00:21:17
Speaker
Um, apparently the 10 commandments would be missing a commandment because it's all not still.
00:21:21
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Yeah.
00:21:22
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It's a, yeah, it's just kind of painful.
00:21:25
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Okay.
00:21:25
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I'm seriously, I keep searching through all the stuff on here and there is very little that differentiates this from any other company.
00:21:36
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I mean, it really is just general, general office junk.
00:21:41
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Yeah.
00:21:41
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That is just unbelievable.
00:21:44
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If you want to go check it out, it's like page, what did we say?
00:21:46
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It was like 582 on the Deep Root thread.
00:21:49
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Just search Deep Root on forums.
00:21:53
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You can read through.
00:21:54
Speaker
If you're looking for... You can actually see a picture of the paintings because it was actually in post number 29,176.
00:22:07
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So, yeah, it's it just shows like that.
00:22:12
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And some of these are gone.
00:22:13
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Like the the trifold Japanese art thing is gone.
00:22:19
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I don't see any of the paintings are there.
00:22:21
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And it's done with them.
00:22:23
Speaker
You know what?
00:22:24
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I think the bids are done.
00:22:25
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That's what it happened.
00:22:28
Speaker
You didn't win the Jesus painting.
00:22:31
Speaker
Oh, man.
00:22:31
Speaker
Like maybe someone else wanted there.
00:22:33
Speaker
We jokingly said that people are going to start crowdfunding to send you deep root crap because.
00:22:38
Speaker
Oh, geez.
00:22:38
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:39
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Our wonderful October was at 2019.
00:22:43
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That's how long ago it was.
00:22:45
Speaker
Wow.
00:22:45
Speaker
Dennis and Zach on.
00:22:47
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Yeah.
00:22:48
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Oh, maybe it was October.
00:22:49
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Yeah.
00:22:50
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It had to been 2019 because it wasn't 2020 yet.
00:22:51
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That's for sure.
00:22:54
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Yeah, so apparently we did miss out on the inappropriately religious art in a con artist shop.
00:23:01
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You got to keep up facades.
00:23:03
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Yeah.
00:23:04
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So anyway, if you're really interested, it's just, again, nobody's going to win in this.
00:23:09
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Like literally no one's going to win.
00:23:11
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Everybody who gave money to this will probably get 10 cents on the dollar if that.
00:23:18
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There's no way he's blown through this money just like con artists do.
00:23:23
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And, uh, but if you want to get a forklift right now, the current bid is 5,000 bucks.
00:23:28
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Yeah.
00:23:28
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That's, that's a steal for a forklift.
00:23:30
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It really is.
00:23:31
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It should be.
00:23:32
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Yeah.
00:23:33
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Probably for one that's brand spanking new.
00:23:35
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Yeah.
00:23:36
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Well, obviously it's never been used.
00:23:37
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They've never made anything.
00:23:39
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So.
00:23:41
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So anyway, so enough about Deep Root.
00:23:43
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The guy's, sorry, he's going to burn in hell, whatever.
00:23:48
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So that's the wizard mode on Fire and Brimstone.
00:23:51
Speaker
Yes.
00:23:52
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Bobby Mueller burning in hell for stealing all the money from people and promising, and all the carnage for all the lives that he affected by hiring them and just having them stuck on a terrible company.
00:24:04
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Okay, all right.
00:24:06
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So now, but there is something that is going to happen though.
00:24:11
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Do you have any other final deep thoughts on Deep Root?
00:24:14
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Deep thoughts on Deep Root.
00:24:16
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You know, I don't know.
00:24:19
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It just sucks.
00:24:20
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It's one of these things that's just going to go on for years because it's just going to get drawn out.
00:24:26
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He's a lawyer and he's going to draw this out as long as he possibly can because he never wants any accountability for this.
00:24:32
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And I guarantee he'll figure out a way to spin this that he was somehow the victim in this.
00:24:38
Speaker
So in what the 25th of March of this year, we are going to have fun.
00:24:48
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So we have the Texas pinball festival from March 25th, 27th in Frisco, Texas.
00:24:56
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Okay, this is my first time coming, and this is your first time coming, right?
00:25:01
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Yeah, I was supposed to be there March 2020, but we all know the story to that.
00:25:04
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Yeah, we were supposed to go two years ago.
00:25:06
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The best part is I still have my tickets for them.
00:25:10
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Do you?
00:25:10
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Yeah, they just said we'll just postpone it to how we open back up.
00:25:16
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Yeah.
00:25:17
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I really just had my flight in the hotel.
00:25:19
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Yep.
00:25:19
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Yep.
00:25:20
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We are, we are definitely looking forward to it.
00:25:23
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Josh and I don't really have, we are going to be there to experience the festival.
00:25:28
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Yeah.
00:25:28
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I think the only thing we have planned is we are helping with the twippies on Saturday night.
00:25:33
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Yeah.
00:25:34
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But that's pretty much it.
00:25:36
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So what, what are you looking forward to most?
00:25:40
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Probably Weird Al.
00:25:41
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After listening to the Colin McAlpine interview on Falling Around.
00:25:44
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Wonderful job, guys.
00:25:45
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Jeff, Martin, and Colin, you all did great.
00:25:48
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I'm excited to see more of this.
00:25:50
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I like the concepts that he was talking about.
00:25:53
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And yeah, I'm excited to see Weird Al.
00:25:57
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Yeah.
00:25:57
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I'm excited to...
00:25:59
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I've always been told that Texas is like the people that want to gloat about their machines show.
00:26:06
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And so we get some pretty rare pieces down there that are in pristine condition.
00:26:09
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I'm excited to see what comes to the show.
00:26:12
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This feels like the Comic-Con equivalent of pinball, where it's not just a show to, it's not a trade show.
00:26:22
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This is an event show.
00:26:24
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So this is for all the people who don't really care as much about the nuts and bolts on it.
00:26:29
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They just want to come and have a great time and they have a packed in.
00:26:33
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So I'm super looking forward to the schedule because it really is over two and a half days.
00:26:41
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Yeah.
00:26:41
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And it's Friday night is, is a little bit, but that's more of people just getting in, in town, little events going on.
00:26:49
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And then Saturday and Sunday.
00:26:51
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I mean, that is huge.
00:26:53
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I hear this is like you were saying, this is one of the best shows in the nation, possibly even in the world.
00:26:58
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We've got people that travel from all over the world that come to this show.
00:27:02
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And I'm ready.
00:27:03
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I'm ready to have my socks blown off.
00:27:05
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Okay.
00:27:06
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Are there any seminars that you're looking forward to?
00:27:09
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Who are you looking forward to hear from at this show?
00:27:13
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I don't know.
00:27:13
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Honestly, I don't even know if I've looked at the seminars.
00:27:15
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I know Jersey Jack's doing something.
00:27:17
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Jack Guarneri is going to be there talking.
00:27:19
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Well, Jack and Steve Ritchie are going to be there.
00:27:21
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That's going to be interesting.
00:27:22
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That's going to be quite... I'm definitely going to come.
00:27:25
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And you know Steve Ritchie.
00:27:26
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He doesn't hold back any punches.
00:27:27
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So we might get a little more than we bargained for going to that seminar.
00:27:31
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Yeah, there may be some flamethrowers going on there.
00:27:34
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We also have Todd Tucky.
00:27:36
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He's doing his thing.
00:27:39
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Friday, 9 p.m.
00:27:40
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to 10 p.m.
00:27:42
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Wow, geez.
00:27:44
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Other things.
00:27:45
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American Pinball is going to be there.
00:27:46
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Multimorphic.
00:27:48
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And that really is going to be...
00:27:51
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This is the we've arrived show from multimorphic because I bet that more people have been brought into pinball independently from just this license than anything they've, they've done before.
00:28:09
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Right.
00:28:10
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I agree.
00:28:10
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There are weird elephants who are just like, wait, there's a pinball machine.
00:28:13
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And then the next question is, wait, they still make pinball?
00:28:16
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Well, and honestly, looking at this thing, there are some really cool concepts that, that multimorphic has come up with.
00:28:21
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And I really think this is the, this is the needle of adrenaline that's been shot into their skin for their, their cells and whatnot.
00:28:28
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And we've, I don't know if you got any of the messages.
00:28:31
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We're not saying that like P3 is, I don't know.
00:28:35
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Someone had said like our last episode, we talked about like the longevity of P3 and yada, yada, yada.
00:28:42
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And I'm like, I don't think we were saying that it was like, we didn't think that the system could go the distance.
00:28:48
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It was just, you know, we were concerned for the company as a whole.
00:28:52
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Well, I think you're always concerned about anything that's a little more computer-based because when you're talking about swapping in and out things, you do think about cartridge-based systems, right?
00:29:07
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Yeah.
00:29:08
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And you think about that.
00:29:09
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This feels a lot more like a video game than any other option in pinball.
00:29:15
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I mean, if you were, if you were to compare, but I still feel like it feels like pinball.
00:29:19
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Like when we played heist at expo and sorcerer, it
Twippies Awards and Pinball Media
00:29:22
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felt really good.
00:29:22
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I mean, you can, I don't want people to misunderstand.
00:29:28
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It is a pinball machine.
00:29:30
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Yeah.
00:29:30
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I'm just talking about the release cycle.
00:29:34
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Yes.
00:29:34
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Is you, you think about that.
00:29:37
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Yeah.
00:29:37
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Because you're going to have new options coming out and you have to maintain the you have to keep updating the system as new technology comes along.
00:29:48
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True.
00:29:49
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So that's really what I'm getting at is that you have.
00:29:52
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So that's a little more challenging.
00:29:54
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But, hey, that's not for us to figure out.
00:29:56
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Right.
00:29:56
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That's for them to figure out.
00:29:58
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Yeah.
00:29:59
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And so I'm excited.
00:30:01
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I'm excited overall for Weird Al.
00:30:03
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Like I said, the song selection really doesn't bother me.
00:30:07
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Like I said, I would have picked some different songs, but because I grew up in a different era of Weird Al.
00:30:11
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Yeah.
00:30:12
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But after listening to Colin's comments and how it's not more of a music pin than it is, like the songs are actually integrated with the modes.
00:30:23
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Like you're actually playing Harvey the Wonder Hamster and his head...
00:30:27
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little pop-ups that come out of the play field is like him popping his head up through the play field and just, just different stuff.
00:30:33
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Like the, like a surgeon where you like, you've got to hit shots and you're penalized for hitting the wrong shot.
00:30:39
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Just like in surgery, like you've got to cut the right spots.
00:30:41
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And if you don't, you know, you're, you would know nothing about that.
00:30:45
Speaker
Okay.
00:30:46
Speaker
What other games are there that have penalties for shooting a shot?
00:30:51
Speaker
I'm trying to think you've got, I know there are ones that you don't score as much.
00:30:56
Speaker
But are there other things that have like a, oh, if you shoot it here, it's like, it's like on wheel of fortune hitting, you know, spinning the bankruptcy.
00:31:03
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Right.
00:31:04
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Yeah.
00:31:05
Speaker
You know, it's, it's like you can actually hurt your score by actually shooting a scoop.
00:31:09
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Yeah.
00:31:11
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And I don't know if it's that, or if it's more like operation, like you hit the sides and the whole thing.
00:31:15
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Yeah.
00:31:16
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Yeah.
00:31:18
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But listening to like, I highly recommend it.
00:31:20
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Go listen to that interview.
00:31:21
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It's fantastic.
00:31:23
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Um, I'm just, I'm excited for this machine and I'm excited.
00:31:26
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I've always been excited for multimorphic.
00:31:29
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I've just, I don't know.
00:31:31
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I've always wanted to get my hands on one before I say yes.
00:31:34
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Yes.
00:31:35
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And now that I got my hands on one expo, I want to see how weird Al feels.
00:31:39
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My son's asking me like every day.
00:31:40
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So when we get in weird Al, when we get weird Al, I'm like,
00:31:43
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I do.
00:31:44
Speaker
I got to play this first.
00:31:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:46
Speaker
I definitely want to play Weird Al.
00:31:47
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So I'm really looking forward to that.
00:31:49
Speaker
There's also the tournaments going on.
00:31:52
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Yep.
00:31:53
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So there's, you know, your typical Wizards tournament, the Texas Wizards tournament.
00:31:57
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There's the classic side tournament.
00:31:59
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There's the women's tournament and the kids tournament.
00:32:01
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Yep.
00:32:02
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So, and those are always good.
00:32:04
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The prize pot is aptly named, uh, the Raymond Davidson fund.
00:32:08
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So, exactly.
00:32:10
Speaker
Buy, buy Raymond, a new machine, please.
00:32:13
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Yes.
00:32:13
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Yeah.
00:32:14
Speaker
He's, he's saving up for his rush premium.
00:32:16
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Exactly.
00:32:18
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But so I'm just excited.
00:32:19
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I'm excited to go hang out with the guys.
00:32:21
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Like it'll be good to see EGP again, like Tony and Dennis.
00:32:24
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We hung out with them at expo and be cool to go see them again.
00:32:27
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Butch pill is on the list.
00:32:29
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Our good friend, butch pill.
00:32:30
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Yeah.
00:32:31
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Uh,
00:32:32
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Who else we got on there?
00:32:32
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I mean, there's a handful of people.
00:32:34
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Zach's going to be there partying.
00:32:35
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He's actually not going to have the flipping out booth there.
00:32:37
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He's just going to be there to have fun.
00:32:38
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Yeah, he's there to just have fun.
00:32:41
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So that looks really interesting.
00:32:44
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Our triple drain friends are going to be there.
00:32:45
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There are really so many people.
00:32:48
Speaker
Okay, I'm just going off their website.
00:32:53
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And so let's see.
00:32:56
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So Sylvester McCoy is going to be there.
00:32:59
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And he is.
00:33:01
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What was that?
00:33:02
Speaker
Was any doctor who says.
00:33:06
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Maybe I'm wrong.
00:33:08
Speaker
We plan to have doctor who pinball machine.
00:33:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:11
Speaker
I don't know.
00:33:11
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He looks like the Hobbit here.
00:33:13
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So I'm assuming he was in the Hobbit.
00:33:16
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Yeah, he was Doctor Who, coincidentally.
00:33:17
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He was the seventh Doctor Who.
00:33:19
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So he's going to be.
00:33:21
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Yeah.
00:33:22
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So he's going to be there.
Festival Logistics and Market Trends
00:33:24
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I'm Todd Tucky, Butch Peel, Joe Balser, Jack Danger, Emoto.
00:33:30
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I'm just scanning through.
00:33:31
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So you just keep scanning down.
00:33:34
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Where is Joe Balser even at now?
00:33:35
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Is he with Homepin?
00:33:36
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Is that what we've decided?
00:33:37
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He's working on Spinal Tap?
00:33:39
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Because he wasn't American.
00:33:42
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I heard the announcement, but I totally forgot about where he's working now.
00:33:47
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We're wonderful.
00:33:48
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I know you guys.
00:33:49
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Tune in for the latest and greatest news.
00:33:52
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Yeah, sorry.
00:33:54
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We are not the update in the news on pinball.
00:33:58
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And really, this week has been super crazy for me.
00:34:03
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I drove down to southern Utah and worked one shift and then drove back the next day.
00:34:09
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And then my wife had her sinuses cleaned out today.
00:34:11
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And so, legitimately, I am...
00:34:15
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I'm really looking forward to Texas because it'll give me a break from all the stuff that I've had to be doing.
00:34:20
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So yeah.
00:34:22
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Guestless is awesome.
00:34:23
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I think doesn't even Ed Van Der Veen have like a TARDIS there that you can go get in or something like that.
00:34:29
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That'd be cool.
00:34:30
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Yeah.
00:34:30
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Anywho, it's going to be awesome.
00:34:32
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I'm excited for TPF.
00:34:34
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So, so I guess what else are you looking forward to?
00:34:37
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Like, by the way, if anybody is looking for us, we actually have a funny shirt that we made.
00:34:42
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So you can take a look at it.
00:34:44
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We'll probably be wearing them at least one of those days.
00:34:46
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We will be also plug for the twippies.
00:34:49
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Let's talk about those.
00:34:50
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Yes.
00:34:52
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Uh, we will be announcing, I don't know if we're allowed to say which, which category.
00:34:55
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An award, a major award.
00:34:58
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And, uh, I need to get sit down with Scott.
00:35:01
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We'll probably do it like the, like five minutes before.
00:35:03
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If we want to do like a little speech before, if we just want to, uh, Jeff told us we, we can just say, you know, the nominees are, but you can't, we get in front of a microphone.
00:35:11
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You got that.
00:35:12
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Yeah.
00:35:13
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Yeah.
00:35:13
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So, um, excited for that.
00:35:16
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Uh,
00:35:18
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Do you think, do we see any changes from pinball industry awards to what's going to be presented at Twippies?
00:35:25
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Godzilla sweeps up with maybe possibly Halloween as a backup for art.
00:35:30
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There's a slight difference.
00:35:32
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I would say pinball industry awards versus the Twippies.
00:35:37
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That is the popular vote.
00:35:38
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That's the people's choice, right?
00:35:41
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And the, and the other, and the pinnacle industry is just, which, uh, and full declaration, we voted in that.
00:35:47
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Um, and it was just a, it was a group that you could apply to and say, Hey, we want to, we're,
00:35:53
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We know enough about pinball that we're going to be voting on this.
00:35:57
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And so we put in our suggestions.
00:36:00
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So it's just a different crowd.
00:36:02
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And Twippy is, hey, if you're a pinball fan, let's come, let's vote, let's do that.
00:36:08
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It's like the fan voting, which I think is great.
00:36:10
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And so it may be different, but I think there'll be a lot of overlap.
00:36:16
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I think so too.
00:36:17
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I think with the limited number of games that released last year, Godzilla just did so well.
00:36:23
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It's hard to argue with the results of Godzilla.
00:36:28
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It really was the complete game of the year.
00:36:31
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If you're looking at the entire package, I don't know of anybody who plays Godzilla who says that wasn't fun.
00:36:37
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As far as the entertainment section of the Twippies, do you think we see anything different?
00:36:43
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I mean, Zach and Greg have still been doing...
00:36:46
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uh, straight down the middle.
00:36:48
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So they still have that audience and whatnot.
00:36:49
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Uh, they've won it.
00:36:50
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Haven't they won it every single year for Twippy?
00:36:54
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Something like that.
00:36:54
Speaker
For podcaster or not, not for YouTube.
00:36:59
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Um, they certainly have, uh, they, they, they've, they've certainly been in the running.
00:37:03
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I would have to go back and see who the other, uh, winners were.
00:37:07
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I know that Jack dangers one streaming every year.
00:37:10
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And that one's going to be interesting too.
00:37:11
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Cause he really ramped down last year considering he was working at Stern and building pinball machines.
00:37:16
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I don't blame him.
00:37:17
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So he now has another job, right?
00:37:19
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And then, and then we have Canada that, uh, his one podcast for four years in a row.
00:37:25
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Yeah.
00:37:25
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Does that change now that he's put himself behind a paywall?
00:37:29
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Um, possibly.
00:37:32
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The reason why I say that is because like you have Joe Rogan who went behind a paywall.
00:37:39
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You have Howard Stern who essentially is behind a paywall and it does change.
00:37:46
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It changes what, who, who has access to it because you're, you're going to cut out some of the casual people.
00:37:53
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So unless you want to pay for Spotify, you're not going to listen to Joe Rogan.
00:37:56
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Unless you want to pay for Sirius XM, you're not going to listen to Howard Stern.
00:38:00
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And so there are – we're broadcasting to anyone who wants to listen.
00:38:08
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But that's just our model.
00:38:09
Speaker
And however Chris wants to do his model is fine too.
00:38:12
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I mean he's certainly an entertaining guy.
00:38:14
Speaker
So if he's still able to maintain his popularity behind a paywall, then good for him, right?
00:38:21
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Yeah.
00:38:22
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Might as well make a couple bucks, right?
00:38:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:24
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So –
00:38:26
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I mean, I do it for the glory and for being famous, pinball famous.
00:38:30
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Yes, pinball famous.
00:38:33
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Other than that, like I said, I think we won't see much difference between pinball industry rewards and Twippies.
00:38:40
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And just because the field is so narrowed compared to the previous years.
00:38:46
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And we might even see a repeat of that this year if it keeps up.
00:38:48
Speaker
If Stern just announced they're not going to do another cornerstone,
00:38:52
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And they don't put anything out until August.
00:38:54
Speaker
And then JJP has said they're not going to be showing anything at Texas.
00:38:58
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And that means they still can release something within the year.
00:39:01
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Yeah.
00:39:02
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And they may or may not.
00:39:03
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I mean, really with Cactus Canyon, we didn't know if they were going to reveal it at Expo.
00:39:07
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And they kind of revealed it at Expo.
00:39:10
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Well, they revealed it, but it was starting to ship those now, aren't they?
00:39:13
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Something like that.
00:39:15
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So I, it doesn't feel, this feels like a, a show celebration more than, Hey, come and you're going to see some news dropped on you.
00:39:23
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Yeah.
00:39:24
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So not sure.
00:39:27
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We have travel stuff going on.
00:39:29
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So Friday is a little more up in the air Saturday and Sunday though.
00:39:33
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We, we will be there.
00:39:34
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What time are you flying out Sunday?
00:39:38
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You're in the afternoon, right?
00:39:39
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No, I think I'm in the morning.
00:39:40
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I think I'm like,
00:39:42
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Sunday morning?
00:39:42
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10 o'clock.
00:39:43
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Yeah, I think I'm like 10 o'clock or 11.
00:39:45
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So I'm going to be hanging around.
00:39:47
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I think my flight's out at 6 o'clock at Sunday night.
00:39:51
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Gotcha.
00:39:52
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But time I'll be landing in Vernal, I think it's like 5 or 6.
00:39:55
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Yeah, because you have to go through like JFK or something, right?
00:39:59
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I got to go through Denver.
00:40:01
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Yeah.
00:40:03
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They fly me all the way up to New York just so I can go back to Vernal.
00:40:05
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Yeah.
00:40:06
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Hey, I wouldn't be surprised.
00:40:09
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Wouldn't be surprised.
00:40:10
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I definitely will get my work out, though.
00:40:12
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For those of you who have never flown through Denver, I got to the pleasure of stopping in Denver's airport.
00:40:19
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It's massive.
00:40:21
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And I guess the only other ones I've ever been to is like Oklahoma and Salt Lake and New York and stuff like that.
00:40:26
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But usually it's like one big terminal, right?
00:40:28
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Right.
00:40:29
Speaker
For some odd reason, Denver's is like three long terminals.
00:40:34
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They're just like...
00:40:36
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and you have to take a subway to get from one, two, and three.
00:40:40
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And, and Utah's like, so Vernal's airport is always on like the furthest one.
00:40:47
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And so you got to like book it from the furthest terminal all the way to get on the subway.
00:40:51
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So you can get over to like two or three and then get on your airplane.
00:40:55
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It's like a 20 minute walk or something like that.
00:40:57
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Yeah.
00:40:58
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Just to get to your, to your flights.
00:41:00
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So, yeah.
00:41:00
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Yeah.
00:41:01
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Yeah, I'm also I
Virtual and Classic Pinball Insights
00:41:03
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who knows?
00:41:03
Speaker
I may buy something, though.
00:41:05
Speaker
I'm looking at the vendors.
00:41:07
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And there are some things that are, they're pretty fun.
00:41:10
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Like they have back alley creations, you know, Matt from back of light.
00:41:14
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He's going to be there.
00:41:16
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You're going to, I'm just kind of scanning through.
00:41:17
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So I am not to, I'm not trying to highlight anybody specifically, but color DMD, I actually may pick up one of those for Simpsons.
00:41:26
Speaker
Maybe a kind of update that, bring it into the modern age.
00:41:29
Speaker
You know what you should do is you should buy a couple of trans lights and then buy a lit frame from Brad Hunter.
00:41:36
Speaker
That's true.
00:41:37
Speaker
Is Brad going to be there this year?
00:41:39
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He is not.
00:41:40
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He has some other obligations that weekend.
00:41:43
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But he does have his website.
00:41:45
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And we actually, so I bought, I just sold Spider-Man, but I did not sell my Spider-Man Translight because I had Steve Ritchie sign it.
00:41:55
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And so I actually took that out and I put it in a lit frame.
00:42:00
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Nice.
00:42:01
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So I still will have that and that will help out.
00:42:04
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But, you know, some other things that are fun.
00:42:06
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JJ Game Exchange is going to be there, too.
00:42:09
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He's doing a party guy doing a party Friday night.
00:42:12
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You have Marco Specialty is going to be there.
00:42:14
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Measle Mods.
00:42:16
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Always always a favorite if you want to specialize your your game a little bit.
00:42:21
Speaker
Pinball photos.
00:42:23
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You want to you want to do put some high class art in.
00:42:28
Speaker
Pinball Pimp, he's the one who does the stenciling stuff on old games, right?
00:42:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:33
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:35
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So if you want to make that old game look brand new, just go and check him out.
00:42:42
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He does a good job there.
00:42:45
Speaker
You know, pin graphics for if you want the art blades, pin sign.
00:42:48
Speaker
There's so many people that are coming.
00:42:51
Speaker
Super skill shooters, by the way, just in case you're wondering if you if you buy a shooter and I bought it from this guy.
00:42:57
Speaker
Super nice, super nice guy.
00:42:59
Speaker
He has a lot of fun shooters.
00:43:02
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Just make sure you check it in your bag because I almost got my shooter rod confiscated.
00:43:09
Speaker
That's hilarious.
00:43:11
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But yeah, the guy has some really cool shooter rods.
00:43:14
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So check that guy out too.
00:43:15
Speaker
Yeah, I think overall we're pretty excited.
00:43:18
Speaker
And then we'll definitely probably do like a TPF roundup or, you know, kind of our thoughts and stuff.
00:43:27
Speaker
Surprisingly, our Expo roundup was one of the most listened to episodes we had last year.
00:43:32
Speaker
It's up there with Keith Elwin.
00:43:33
Speaker
Well, there was a lot that happened at Expo.
00:43:36
Speaker
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
00:43:38
Speaker
Did we ever announce, though, that there's a new king in...
00:43:42
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our listening numbers keith elwin keith elwin is now i'm sorry zach manny you did hold the top number there for quite some time so close so close but keith elwin's still going like his number is just people must either love godzilla or love keith or maybe it's both i don't know but it's just the numbers keep climbing on that episode oh and by the way happy birthday keith uh yesterday
00:44:06
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Yeah.
00:44:07
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So we're recording on St.
00:44:08
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Patrick's Day.
00:44:09
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So happy birthday to him on March 16th.
00:44:13
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And my friend who has an LE, Godzilla, actually has the same birthday.
00:44:17
Speaker
So I sent him a – his name is Brock and he's local.
00:44:20
Speaker
And we also want to thank Joel Engelberth and Amanda Hamilton for having Keith on their podcast because we get a little bit of royalty money from that.
00:44:29
Speaker
Yeah, we timeshare.
00:44:31
Speaker
We lease them for a few episodes a year, but, you know.
00:44:36
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Now, Keith's awesome, and those episodes were awesome.
00:44:38
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If you haven't checked them out, Just Another Pinball Podcast with Joel, the Does Everything in Media Engelberth.
00:44:45
Speaker
That's his new nickname.
00:44:46
Speaker
I know it's a little long.
00:44:47
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But if you don't know who Joel is, you can catch him streaming with TPN, or you can hear him from his podcast on Just Another Pinball Podcast, or his other podcast, Triple Drain, or I could keep going, but you get the idea.
00:45:01
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Yeah.
00:45:03
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And Amanda Hamilton is awesome.
00:45:05
Speaker
I guess Scott and her are in the same business.
00:45:09
Speaker
Yeah, we're both in medicine.
00:45:11
Speaker
So it was funny.
00:45:12
Speaker
I got a message from her today that Jayco was around.
00:45:15
Speaker
And if you don't know what Jayco is, it's kind of like the medical Gestapo that show up and shake you down for things that really aren't big deals.
00:45:25
Speaker
Like you actually having like a Diet Coke at your workstation.
00:45:28
Speaker
So it's always funny when they when they show up, everybody just immediately throws all their drinks away and make sure that that looks all pretty for the Jayco people.
00:45:37
Speaker
So are they similar to like OSHA and construction?
00:45:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:40
Speaker
100 percent.
00:45:41
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100 percent.
00:45:42
Speaker
And so it's now I will say that, yes, the problem is they fixed all the major stuff.
00:45:49
Speaker
Well, that's good.
00:45:50
Speaker
And so like, so most hospitals, you're not going to find all these major things that are like, wow, that's a huge error.
00:45:56
Speaker
So what they do is it's like ticky tack fouls now.
00:45:59
Speaker
It's like, oh, well, you justification for their job kind of thing.
00:46:03
Speaker
A little bit.
00:46:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:05
Speaker
There was a point where I am not kidding.
00:46:07
Speaker
They wanted you to swap your masks every time you took it down from your mouth.
00:46:13
Speaker
Then I just found it funny.
00:46:14
Speaker
It was like when the pandemic came, they're like, you know what?
00:46:17
Speaker
Those those masks, you can use those for like six months.
00:46:20
Speaker
Just just go ahead and like sun drying.
00:46:22
Speaker
They're fine because we're we're short on supplies.
00:46:24
Speaker
So go ahead and just keep using that sucker.
00:46:26
Speaker
Even I was like, didn't like a month ago you said we were supposed to swap them out every 30 seconds.
00:46:32
Speaker
Nice.
00:46:32
Speaker
Amanda's awesome.
00:46:33
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We met her and her husband at Expo.
00:46:35
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Yeah, they're fun.
00:46:36
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Wonderful people.
00:46:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:46:38
Speaker
So there's good times.
00:46:40
Speaker
So I would say that we're pretty flexible, especially on Saturday.
00:46:45
Speaker
Yes.
00:46:45
Speaker
And so if you're around, please message us.
00:46:48
Speaker
You can certainly message us on Facebook.
00:46:51
Speaker
And we'd definitely love to hear from you.
00:46:53
Speaker
Bunch of people message and reach out about those hats.
00:46:56
Speaker
I did not realize that they would...
00:46:59
Speaker
catch on fire like they did.
00:47:00
Speaker
And Josh, you actually were able to secure some.
00:47:04
Speaker
Yes.
00:47:04
Speaker
They were able to get some.
00:47:06
Speaker
So we're not going to have a lot.
00:47:07
Speaker
I do actually have some shirts.
00:47:09
Speaker
Joe Fox, I actually have your shirt.
00:47:11
Speaker
So that I did not get to you at Expo.
00:47:15
Speaker
Uh, so, uh, go ahead and reach out to me, but, uh, yeah.
00:47:18
Speaker
So if you, if you want to get ahold of our limited edition hats, um, I thought they were like our, our go-to now since our old transit.
00:47:29
Speaker
Okay.
00:47:29
Speaker
So these are the new limited edition hats.
00:47:31
Speaker
Cause we don't know how long they'll last until they actually change designs on us, but still lose your kid quality and still lose your good style.
00:47:38
Speaker
So.
00:47:38
Speaker
Yes, it's the exact same hat as our old one.
00:47:40
Speaker
It's the same model number and all that jazz.
00:47:42
Speaker
It's just different color, different styles.
00:47:45
Speaker
Yep.
00:47:46
Speaker
So and a lot of people are loving the green.
00:47:48
Speaker
I did that because I like black and green or charcoal and green.
00:47:51
Speaker
So it pops.
00:47:52
Speaker
I think the green's a little like a limit.
00:47:55
Speaker
It feels like a limited.
00:47:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:57
Speaker
So it's a lot of people are really asking about the green one.
00:47:59
Speaker
So, yeah, it's pretty cool.
00:48:01
Speaker
We do need to make a retraction from our last episode.
00:48:05
Speaker
We were not wrong about Pat Lawler only having one two flipper game, but we were wrong on which game it was.
00:48:14
Speaker
I must have went through Pinside way too quick because I thought it was CSI.
00:48:19
Speaker
IPDB, you mean?
00:48:20
Speaker
IPDB.
00:48:21
Speaker
No, I went through Pinside.
00:48:22
Speaker
Oh, okay.
00:48:23
Speaker
All right.
00:48:24
Speaker
And anywho, I guess it's NASCAR.
00:48:28
Speaker
And to the people who are saying it's three games, no, it's the same layout.
00:48:34
Speaker
NASCAR, Dale Earnhardt Jr., and Grand Prix are all the exact same layout.
00:48:39
Speaker
And the only reason they made Grand Prix is because NASCAR is huge in America, and the Grand Prix racers are huge over in Europe.
00:48:47
Speaker
So that's, like, literally the only reason, you know?
00:48:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:50
Speaker
So...
00:48:51
Speaker
It's like trying to argue like NFL has like 28 different versions when it's really just the trans light and the chip of where you start with your team.
00:49:00
Speaker
You know what I'm saying?
00:49:00
Speaker
Yeah, and it's all, I swear every time those come up for sale, it's always the Browns.
00:49:04
Speaker
I'm not exactly sure.
00:49:06
Speaker
I guess I can't exactly say that about Grand Prix.
00:49:08
Speaker
Maybe they have changed some of the art.
00:49:12
Speaker
I don't know.
00:49:12
Speaker
I've never personally seen one where they're most of the European thing.
00:49:15
Speaker
It's still not going to be a game I'm going to own.
00:49:17
Speaker
I guess I'll put it that way.
00:49:18
Speaker
I'll play it on location, but I'm not going to own it.
00:49:22
Speaker
So yes, you were correct that CSI was not the two-flipper game.
00:49:26
Speaker
Okay.
00:49:27
Speaker
We were still correct in the fact that Pat Lawler has made one two-flipper game.
00:49:32
Speaker
It's certainly not his go-to.
00:49:34
Speaker
Yes.
00:49:35
Speaker
You know, NASCAR is one of the very first games I ever got to play, and I didn't mind it.
00:49:39
Speaker
I thought it was cool, but you got to understand, I started playing pinball early 2010, 2011.
00:49:43
Speaker
Yeah, and the real problem is when you don't...
00:49:51
Speaker
when you play pinball for the first time, any game seems fun.
00:49:55
Speaker
Yes.
00:49:56
Speaker
And then eventually you're like, you know what?
00:49:58
Speaker
That game's okay.
00:50:00
Speaker
I'm okay.
00:50:00
Speaker
Like I, the first time I played Flintstones, I'm like, Hey, this is fun.
00:50:03
Speaker
And then after about five minutes, I was like, okay, I can move on.
00:50:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:08
Speaker
I owned a Flintstones for like a month and I was like, this is a fun game, but I could have something with the giant flippers.
00:50:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:15
Speaker
The oversized one.
00:50:16
Speaker
No, no, I just, no, yeah.
00:50:19
Speaker
Oh, because they had the oversized one too, so.
00:50:22
Speaker
No, it's a fun game, but I felt it was kind of easy for what I was playing.
00:50:25
Speaker
But again, what happens is eventually you gravitate toward the ones that you find that you are drawn to.
00:50:31
Speaker
So there's any, I've had Adam's family, right?
00:50:34
Speaker
But it's not a game that really connects with me because I don't have that nostalgic connection that other people have.
00:50:40
Speaker
Yep, and then you sold it to me, and then I only had it for maybe six months, and I felt the exact same way.
00:50:44
Speaker
I was like, well... Yeah, it's the people who actually, that was their go-to game.
00:50:48
Speaker
Because I guarantee, if I pull up my old Nintendo and play Contra with my kids, they're not going to care.
00:50:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:55
Speaker
They don't realize that was the game.
00:50:56
Speaker
You and I would sit down and be like, this is awesome.
00:50:58
Speaker
Yeah, up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, BA.
00:51:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:02
Speaker
Which reminds me, we're speaking all these old games.
00:51:04
Speaker
What do you think of all these 2.0 kits coming out now?
00:51:06
Speaker
We had Funhouse's Rudy's Revenge or Rudy's Nightmare came out.
00:51:09
Speaker
They just announced one for like Tales of the Arabian Night.
00:51:12
Speaker
And then they announced another one.
00:51:15
Speaker
Naps Arcade has it.
00:51:16
Speaker
Go check out naparcade.org.
00:51:18
Speaker
I'm trying to think which one it was.
00:51:20
Speaker
Now that I announce it and my mind has went blank.
00:51:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:24
Speaker
Okay, so what do I think about them?
00:51:27
Speaker
I will go out on a limb and say that games now are better than the games in the Bally Williams era.
00:51:37
Speaker
I really think the last five years, they have put out more quality games than the Bally Williams era.
00:51:44
Speaker
And so...
00:51:46
Speaker
And the challenge that we had was we had, that was such a great era in pinball.
00:51:52
Speaker
And I will say that was probably the first golden age of pinball.
00:51:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:56
Speaker
And I know that you can, you can go back to EM and solid state and solid, but that was the first time when it really percolated up.
00:52:03
Speaker
But then we went through the doldrums where you didn't really have, we've talked about it before.
00:52:08
Speaker
There's like four games that I would consider owning in the whole two thousands.
00:52:15
Speaker
And then it starts getting back, getting better, getting back.
00:52:19
Speaker
And you start seeing the first era, like 2010 through 2015, some really good games.
00:52:25
Speaker
Some other games that are not quite so good.
00:52:27
Speaker
But then I think the 2016 through 2020, and it's really taken off.
00:52:32
Speaker
And so those games, for my money, are better than any of those other Bally Williams games.
00:52:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:42
Speaker
But I also understand if people have that emotional connection with that, but they also want a re like kind of a reimagining, maybe modernizing them a bit.
00:52:52
Speaker
It's the same thing as when you see a 1950s style car that is fixed up.
00:53:00
Speaker
But it's not fixed up to like the original everything OEM.
00:53:04
Speaker
A lot of times they put a better engine in it.
00:53:07
Speaker
Or they put like, you know, they put the Chrome where the Chrome wasn't there before.
00:53:11
Speaker
And so they make it kind of a sexier version of the old one.
00:53:16
Speaker
And that's what these kits seem like to me.
00:53:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:20
Speaker
But I don't know.
00:53:21
Speaker
What do you feel about it?
00:53:24
Speaker
I guess what's your thought?
00:53:26
Speaker
I like the idea.
00:53:27
Speaker
I just wish that.
00:53:32
Speaker
With Funhouse 2.0, I know that some people are complaining it's already a perfect game as is.
00:53:40
Speaker
But the nice part is with these 2.0 kits, like with Bride of Pinbot and whatnot, you get the original software plus the new upgraded software.
00:53:49
Speaker
I guess it would be counterintuitive to buy the new software and just not play it.
00:53:53
Speaker
But with all the fancy, fancy stuff.
00:53:56
Speaker
By the way, I looked up the other one as Whirlwind is the other one they just announced doing a 2.0.
00:53:59
Speaker
Okay.
00:54:00
Speaker
Some of these games do need a code up like face.
00:54:04
Speaker
Yes.
00:54:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:05
Speaker
Some of them really do.
00:54:06
Speaker
I don't know if Funhouse did.
00:54:07
Speaker
Toten, Tales of Arabian Nights definitely needs a facelift.
00:54:11
Speaker
Right.
00:54:11
Speaker
But it's one of those things that I'm kind of the point where I would like to see these games remade versus just a kit coming out for them.
00:54:19
Speaker
Because I know a lot of people want a fun house and they're like, you can't get a fun house for under eight grand right now.
00:54:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:27
Speaker
Which I mean, it's kind of doubled in price since I got into the business.
00:54:32
Speaker
And so, you know, before you could probably get it for about thirty five hundred, four thousand.
00:54:38
Speaker
I was offered one for like thirty one hundred, but it was like hammered.
00:54:42
Speaker
Well, most of them were hammered back then.
00:54:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:44
Speaker
Because they all were on location.
00:54:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:47
Speaker
And that's one of the reasons why I gravitate toward the newer ones.
00:54:51
Speaker
I actually find them more fun to play, but I also tend to buy games that are either new or one owner or something like that because I just don't have the time to tinker on them.
00:55:01
Speaker
Well, and I have a hard, hard time.
00:55:05
Speaker
Even back then, I look at Funhaus that was $3,100 beat up, and that was a good price at that point.
00:55:11
Speaker
Or it's like I can get a World Cup soccer for two grand, which mine I paid less for.
00:55:15
Speaker
I'm not even going to get into that right now.
00:55:17
Speaker
But it's like if you can find funner games for less, like I have a hard time justifying spending money on a game.
00:55:26
Speaker
It's like Adam's family.
00:55:28
Speaker
If you have that emotional connection with it, then that's a game that you'll be willing to spend the money on.
00:55:35
Speaker
But if it's a game that you don't have that connection with, then I think you're going to have a connection with a Jurassic Park or a Deadpool or something like that.
00:55:45
Speaker
What is Adam's family going for now?
00:55:46
Speaker
Like $10,000?
00:55:48
Speaker
Yeah, like a nice one.
00:55:50
Speaker
A nice one is going for a new in-box, yeah.
00:55:53
Speaker
Okay, so would you rather want a nice Addams Family or a new unboxed Godzilla Premium?
00:56:00
Speaker
Yeah, and my friend who had an Addams Family Gold who sold it for about $8,000, $9,000.
00:56:06
Speaker
It's one of his favorite games.
00:56:09
Speaker
See, and you just sold your Tron, and you sold your Tron for enough money you could buy two-turned-pros.
00:56:14
Speaker
Yeah, now I will say my Tron was very specialized, and it went to a very special owner.
00:56:22
Speaker
who wanted that really high-end customized one.
00:56:27
Speaker
But yeah, it's... The point I'm getting to is like, it's hard to justify spending that much money on a game when the new games that are coming out are fantastic.
00:56:37
Speaker
And granted, if you have the room and you have the means and the money, do whatever you want.
00:56:42
Speaker
I know you're running into the issue of a room thing.
00:56:47
Speaker
I am out of space, like beyond out of space.
00:56:50
Speaker
And so it's like,
00:56:52
Speaker
It gets to a point where it's like, well, I got to start nitpicking.
00:56:56
Speaker
Well, you have to find the reason why people sell games is usually sometimes it's a money issue, but a lot of times it's a space issue.
00:57:08
Speaker
It's kind of like I have a sofa and I want that sofa, so I need to sell my old sofa.
00:57:13
Speaker
You don't need 20 sofas.
00:57:16
Speaker
Exactly.
00:57:16
Speaker
But who knows?
00:57:17
Speaker
Maybe you do.
00:57:19
Speaker
Yeah, maybe you do.
00:57:21
Speaker
I guess in a roundabout way of saying it, yes, I do like the 2.0 kits.
00:57:27
Speaker
I think it's for the right market.
00:57:28
Speaker
Correct.
00:57:29
Speaker
I feel like if you're picking the right games, I don't know.
00:57:32
Speaker
Like Funhaus is a really fun game.
00:57:35
Speaker
Um, I've watched some of the code and I don't know why the hot deck, hot dog combat gets stuck in my head, but I feel like it's just a rehash of the original mode from the, from the very first code.
00:57:47
Speaker
And it's just animation has been added on and with, with, with voiceover.
00:57:52
Speaker
And so, um,
00:57:53
Speaker
I'm not much of a fan for that.
00:57:55
Speaker
Like, why, why are we doing that?
00:57:56
Speaker
Like if you're going to do new code, do new code.
00:57:59
Speaker
And so, but, and code's hard, right?
00:58:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:58:02
Speaker
Code is hard.
00:58:03
Speaker
There's a reason why the new, new code, I mean, you hire someone who knows how to develop code.
00:58:10
Speaker
And that's really what takes games to the next level is having a deep or a complex slash simple enough set.
00:58:22
Speaker
It's something that works really well with tournament type play because those are the elite players who will dissect the code and find they don't want just one way of doing something.
00:58:34
Speaker
They want multiple ways but still have it competitively balanced.
00:58:38
Speaker
which is why even games like Iron Man, which isn't deep, but it did have options that you could do different things.
00:58:45
Speaker
Deadpool is the same way.
00:58:46
Speaker
There are different things that you can do in a competitive thing, but the game is not super deep, but you can certainly understand ways of making it competitively balanced.
00:58:58
Speaker
So yes, if you want to update these old games, then yeah, you can, but that's hard.
00:59:07
Speaker
You need someone who knows how to develop a code set.
00:59:10
Speaker
I do feel like, though, these 2.0 kits, like they get put in the machines and then the people don't sell the actual machine itself.
00:59:16
Speaker
You can't find a Briot of Pimbot 2.0 on the marketplace right now.
00:59:20
Speaker
You can't find.
00:59:21
Speaker
So they're obviously doing what they're – the people that are buying them are making them happy with the result.
00:59:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:59:29
Speaker
Well, it's, it's hot rodding your car.
00:59:31
Speaker
Like you're buying something and you're putting it in your car with the anticipation that, you know what, this is, it's going to stick around for a while.
00:59:38
Speaker
Yep.
00:59:39
Speaker
Well, I want to wrap up the subject.
00:59:40
Speaker
I want to do one more thing.
00:59:41
Speaker
I want to talk about one more thing just really quickly.
00:59:43
Speaker
And then we're, we're over the hour mark.
00:59:45
Speaker
And so, um, but have you got Zen pinball on your phone or on the switch?
00:59:52
Speaker
So I have, but I haven't played it in a while.
00:59:57
Speaker
But they did come out with something, which is I know what you're going for.
01:00:00
Speaker
They just released Indiana Jones, the pinball venture.
01:00:03
Speaker
The Williams one, not the Stern one.
01:00:04
Speaker
Right, the good one.
01:00:05
Speaker
Yeah, the good one.
01:00:07
Speaker
And granted, the one for Stern isn't bad, but it's hard when you compare it to the one for Williams.
01:00:12
Speaker
Yeah, it's still not good.
01:00:14
Speaker
But this is what I love about these.
01:00:17
Speaker
I know that people say that virtual pinball is not real pinball, yada, yada, whatever.
01:00:20
Speaker
Okay.
01:00:21
Speaker
Um, I love it because I can learn the rules and start to understand these games more, especially for Indiana Jones, where I don't see those very often, especially in the wild.
01:00:30
Speaker
I think there's one down in, uh, um, Springville, Utah at the Nickel Mania.
01:00:36
Speaker
It's hammered.
01:00:38
Speaker
It's, it's seen better days.
01:00:39
Speaker
It's, it's definitely, do you know the main problem with these older games is they don't play like they should.
01:00:49
Speaker
They're too beat up.
01:00:51
Speaker
And so the flippers are terrible.
01:00:54
Speaker
The flippers can only hit about a fourth of the shots and people just get kind of frustrated to move on by playing the virtual version of it.
01:01:03
Speaker
You can actually say, wow, this is, this is how the game was supposed to feel.
01:01:07
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:08
Speaker
Like new out of the box.
01:01:09
Speaker
This is how it's supposed to feel.
01:01:11
Speaker
And so that, that alone makes the $15 worth it.
01:01:16
Speaker
Well, I don't know if you can necessarily say it feels like it should when it first came out.
01:01:20
Speaker
Well, okay, but it plays similar enough.
01:01:25
Speaker
It certainly plays better than the beat-up one at Chuck E. Cheese.
01:01:29
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:29
Speaker
Yeah.
01:01:30
Speaker
But it trains your brain, especially if you're looking to play tournaments or even if you just want to have a fun time when you run to win these in the wild.
01:01:37
Speaker
Like you're in Disneyland and you want to play the Indiana Jones across from the ride.
01:01:41
Speaker
They've never had that every time I've gone.
01:01:43
Speaker
I've asked.
01:01:44
Speaker
I've never seen it.
01:01:46
Speaker
Someone tell me if they've ever found it because I have looked every time I've gone.
01:01:53
Speaker
I even went to the store.
01:01:55
Speaker
I went to the store and I asked and they didn't have it.
01:01:58
Speaker
Well, my son and I played it.
01:02:00
Speaker
I want a picture.
01:02:01
Speaker
So I want someone to send me a recent picture because every time I've gone to Disneyland, I've asked and they're like, yeah, I don't know.
01:02:06
Speaker
It hasn't been here in a long time.
01:02:07
Speaker
It's out for repairs.
01:02:09
Speaker
Oh, yeah, it was probably about three years ago when my son and I played it.
01:02:14
Speaker
Any long story short, I feel like it trains your brain to know where the shots are or to understand these modes.
01:02:19
Speaker
So that way when you do get in front of one of these games, you can actually enjoy on location.
01:02:23
Speaker
Yeah, I agree.
01:02:24
Speaker
Yeah, that's perfect.
01:02:26
Speaker
If you haven't bought 15 bucks, I know some people are complaining.
01:02:29
Speaker
This isn't the pinball arcade days.
01:02:31
Speaker
You're not going to get four tables for $10 anymore.
01:02:35
Speaker
And even the Zen pinball games, they're like, isn't it like $8 to $10 if you want to buy out the tables right out or something like that?
01:02:42
Speaker
$5 isn't much of a jump in my opinion.
01:02:45
Speaker
And plus, let's be realistic.
01:02:46
Speaker
Indiana Jones, the pinball machine is going for $15,000.
01:02:49
Speaker
I looked it up on Pinside.
01:02:52
Speaker
If you want to buy one right now, there's one for $15,000, one for $15,500, and one for $16,000.
01:02:57
Speaker
So something that's literally 0.1% of the cost of a real pinball machine, I think is a bargain.
01:03:07
Speaker
You know what?
01:03:08
Speaker
It's a movie, guys.
01:03:10
Speaker
Just take it for what it is.
01:03:11
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:12
Speaker
It's a movie.
01:03:13
Speaker
$15 is really not that bad.
01:03:14
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:16
Speaker
I mean, if you get into video game speak, I guess, whatever.
01:03:19
Speaker
But anyhow, really good.
01:03:21
Speaker
If you haven't checked it out, also shout out to FlipTronic because I accidentally, I bought it for my phone and then I was watching FlipTronic and I won.
01:03:29
Speaker
it for the switch.
01:03:30
Speaker
So I have it on both now.
01:03:31
Speaker
Whoa, there you go.
01:03:33
Speaker
So there's that convenience as well.
01:03:35
Speaker
Nice.
01:03:36
Speaker
But well, I think that pretty much does it for us.
01:03:38
Speaker
You got anything else for us, Scott?
01:03:40
Speaker
No, I think that's it.
01:03:41
Speaker
Seriously.
01:03:41
Speaker
If you're going to be at Texas and you want to, and you want to meet up, just let us know.
01:03:45
Speaker
We'd love to meet people.
01:03:47
Speaker
So yeah, we hear that some kind of hard running into people there.
01:03:51
Speaker
So if you do want to meet us specifically, just message us on Facebook.
01:03:55
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:55
Speaker
Let me do this bill really quick.
01:03:56
Speaker
If you want to get ahold of us,
01:03:58
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You can get ahold of us at loser kid, pinball podcast at gmail.com or at loser kid pinball through Facebook, Instagram, Twitch, and Twitter.
01:04:07
Speaker
We, uh, been hitting up all the socials.
01:04:09
Speaker
I don't hit it up as much as I usually do.
01:04:12
Speaker
I'm having some issues with my phone.
01:04:14
Speaker
It's not sending notifications like it should.
01:04:16
Speaker
So I wake up in the morning and I'm like, why did I, why am I getting like 12 notifications from yesterday?
01:04:22
Speaker
So I do apologize if you send an email and I don't respond for like 24 hours or something like that.
01:04:27
Speaker
It's not me.
01:04:28
Speaker
It's my phone.
01:04:28
Speaker
Yeah.
01:04:29
Speaker
Facebook Messenger actually is pretty reliable right now.
01:04:33
Speaker
So go ahead and try that.
01:04:35
Speaker
But we'll have hats.
01:04:37
Speaker
We will be happy to meet you.
01:04:39
Speaker
Yeah.
01:04:41
Speaker
Other than that, I don't know what else to say.
01:04:45
Speaker
Okay.
01:04:45
Speaker
We'll see you in Texas.
01:04:47
Speaker
See you in Texas.
01:05:13
Speaker
Shut up and sit down.