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Speaker: Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Ohana Packers Edition podcast. Today, the Packers improved to 6-3 with a resounding win over the New England Patriots and yet remain in fourth place in the NFC North because none of the other teams want to lose enough and the Vikings didn't play yet. But that is neither here nor there yet. The Packers have taken care of business and the best they can do is um keep their own pace up and, you know, wait for help from the rest of the league. But...
Speaker: So, I mean, you know, there's going to be some stuff we're going to be able to pick apart on this one, but overall, hum good big win and one of those kind of offensive explosions that we've been waiting for this team to really have on ah on a primetime, particularly in a primetime-ish game.
Speaker: I thought we were going to be screwed just because of the simple fact that we were going into New England and it was tom brady as the commentator and then they were doing something because of gronkowski at the same time so i figured that all the karma was going against the Packers and, and they would have got their asses handed to them, but it it turned out to be the complete opposite way where frigging they, everybody's saying that this is the most amount of points that the Patriots have given up to an opposing team in Gillette stadium.
Speaker: And that's amazing. I said it during, excuse me. I said it during my, uh, uh, post game live.
Speaker: think back to some of the big games been played in Gillette stadium and nobody scored over 45 points in, in any of those games.
Speaker: So for this to be one of the big ones and yeah, there are going to be some things to pick apart and some people might not be happy with some of the things we pick apart, but, oh, well, screw you as my fit to quote my favorite TV show. Suck it.
Speaker: Uh, But yes, a great win. Yeah,
Speaker: and yeah like you said, it doesn't, in the whole scheme of things, they're still only fourth in the in the division, but you know the rest of the NFL is not doing the Packers any favors when it comes to any of it.
Speaker: I didn't finish out watching what the score was oh well they made it a lot closer than what it was when i turned or closed out of the score the bears were up 14 nothing in the first quarter so i i figured that was going to be a slobber knocker but the buccaneers at least made it a game but yeah
Speaker: But this is a Packers show and we'll stick with the Packers. um Yeah, like I said earlier, we'll get into the the finer details, but um this was a game you wanted to see the team have on both sides of the ball. And um we will go with nitpicking to louding praises. So Joe, hit the button.
Speaker: These plays stink like moldy cheese.
Speaker: Um, one of the ones that I got is Keyshawn Nixon. This was another instance in his not more than a CB three type deal. Was he absolutely horrid? Not really, but.
Speaker: ah Again, we got to the, well, I don't want to tackle this guy, so I'm going to make it look like I get over there, but I'm going to completely biff on a tackle. And he did that a few different times in the game.
Speaker: It wasn't enough that it cost the Packers really anything with the way the score was, but... It just for all the people and I was seeing people all while he, ah other than this and that he's, he's played very well this year. and No, this has been the same guy all year. He just gets lucky in a certain aspects because of who's playing around him that it kind of covers up his mistakes. So it's a little bit of a nitpick in a game like this, but I overall, and I'll let you have other ones, but I just want to say overall, this defense,
Speaker: was solid but there were still errors and you know when and i understand and i know what you're going to say and i know what other people are going to say a lot of the yards came in junk time and all that while they were trying to play catch up but they still allowed a hundred yard receiver they still allowed drake may to almost end up with 300 he was only a yard short of 300 yards passing so there there were some errors and of course you know injuries did cost them a few things but You know, i i my main moldy this week is Keyshawn reverted back to Keyshawn of old.
Speaker: Yeah, on that regard, I'm going to go with my moldy being like the linebacker injuries. It's just getting a little absurd. And I don't think I saw anything about Hopper after the game. um you just Just that it's a chest injury. Yeah, which isn't ideal because I think he suffered it on special teams, which is not great.
Speaker: Um... I'll be honest, I haven't really gotten to watch the game. Had a lot of family stuff today, so kind of playing catch-up. Caught a little bit on my phone on YouTube TV and stuff, and then in between was just following the cliff notes and all, but yeah, like...
Speaker: They're just teetering on the absolute edge when it comes to linebacker injuries. is um They really need good news on Hopper. If he's suffered anything like a torn pec, they're... And that's the thing. is like I don't even know who you... I've seen people like, oh, their interest in trades will go up at the... de I don't even know who you go after at this point at the deadline. like it The big name going around is Bon.
Speaker: But... I guess. And I guess that is the type you need, like, a space player blitzer kind of thing. But I guess, yeah. But then at the same time, I don't know if the Eagles are really selling. i know they lost a bad game today in terms of where, like, they're really buried in the division now that they lost to the Giants today. um So I guess it's an option. But it just feels like it's one of those where, yeah, like,
Speaker: I'm struggling to put names with guys who can really help this team as a linebacker, but they're going to need to really start investigating that because they're they're running out of the options there. um And you're kind of just crossing your fingers that Zaire can come back soon and that... um what's it called, that Hopper's injury isn't as bad as it is and stuff. Like, they're they're just really scraping the bottom of the barrel there.
Speaker: And like I said, you're getting into, like, Wishcast, where, like, being one of the last few peoples with stock on colliver Colin Oliver Island, ah that he could come back and make some kind of impact for the roster. But, um yeah, like, it's just...
Speaker: It's getting to that spot. And like you said, i i couldn't decide where to put this exactly, but I'll kind of go here with um with um the defense where it's moldy. It's somewhere between moldy and snail, but I'll kind of put it moldy where I agree, like the big players are awesome, but...
Speaker: This game was really close to being 24-21 24-17 at halftime. And I know they made some timely plays to like hold it to a 10-point lead.
Speaker: But I felt like on the drives, like the drives where they stopped New England, you know, it was really the interceptions were like legit interceptions where they like kind of um tricked. uh trick uh drake may you know the two x xavier interceptions where he kind of like baited him into the interceptions and then evans one was a great play by cc but also an excellent you know way to um be in the area by evan to make the interception but you know you had like other drives where it was like four yard four plays and 70 yards and stuff and it it felt like it was a little boomer bust for the defense and like
Speaker: That's the term I was trying to come up with, but I couldn't get it in my head to work. It really was a boomer bust type of game. Right. And like, that's like the thing that, like I said, i don't I haven't gotten to really watch the game today, but it did feel like just following on Gamecast kind of thing. it was like, oh, like the arrow is moving fast when the Patriots scored their touchdowns. And um even early in the game, you know, Cissé had that play where he kind of got bailed out by... um Pop Douglas not knowing where the ball was, where um he kind of like... he he he didn't The good thing is he didn't interfere with Douglas on the sideline, but he like did the opposite panic move where instead of like just pushing Douglas, he tried to turn around and find the ball and he turned around the wrong way and stopped his body... um
Speaker: because he was so worried about like running into him on an underthrown ball kind of thing. And luckily, Douglas then proceeded to misjudge the flight of the ball too and dropped what could have been a ball down at the five-yard line and stuff. And like you said, it's very nitpicky, but it's one of those where it's like, if you're projecting forward for this team, you know moving into future games, it's like, these are the ones where... Like I said, I didn't know whether to put this in moldy or stale, but I kind of want to put it in moldy because it's like...
Speaker: These are those, like, you know, people who, like, kind of, like, throw shade at advanced stats. But it's, like, those are the – they're, like, loud outs in baseball where it's, like, oh, yeah, this guy's hit list through five innings, but everything is a warning track shot kind of thing. And the the ball is kind of just dying on the warning track instead of, like, you know, it truly being, like, ground balls on the infield or pop outs kind of thing. It's, like, there's a – There's an element of like, it's like how opposing fans poo-poo what Jordan does and say like, oh, he's just throwing Hail Marys up and um they're catching like figurative arm punts kind of thing. What...
Speaker: There was an element to this defense where it was a little bit scattershot in how like well they truly played. Because I agree, like some people are going to point to, oh, it was garbage time, but it didn't feel like the Pats were only gaining yardage in garbage time. It so felt a little bit... And i know that this is like the best...
Speaker: offense on a drive like if you I forget what the exact advance that was like there were the best offense scoring per driver some something like that so like they were always going to get theirs but I felt like it was a little too easy a time for them to get theirs if that makes sense Well, ah I'm going to back you up a little bit with that on top of the linebacker injury part of it, because you could tell that without Hopper in there, without a Zaire in there, they were picking on the linebackers.
Speaker: Uh, I, I mentioned this during the live that obviously one of the big scoring touchdowns, it was Ramadre Stevenson out of the backfield for
Speaker: like 38 yards or 48 yards or something like that. I can tell you here just a second. I haven't pulled up. 30 for the touchdown was on Nick Neiman and Nick Neiman couldn't catch up to him.
Speaker: Well, and I know people are, well, he's a Hawkeye. Why don't you do I'm not going to make excuses for him. He's just, he's not ah coverage linebacker. He's similar to McDuffie where they're downhill guys, where they're better to play at the line of scrimmage and, you know, play the run and stuff like that. They're, they're not coverage guys.
Speaker: And you could really tell that. And plus, they even said it on the broadcast, you know, ah outside of this having to come in for this game, he's only ever seen action in like maybe two games in his career on defense outside special teams.
Speaker: so there's no excuses to be made for him it just he's not that type of linebacker so that was one of it that they and it wasn't just the running back you know raritan got him for a couple hunter henry got him for a couple so you know that's where they got a lot of their their yardage from was that but it was it was kind of weird that when they were in man coverage That's when they had their best success.
Speaker: But then when they started going to zone coverage is when they got eight up. And you could tell that just, you know, I'm not good at distinguishing defenses like a lot of other, like you or like a Dusty or whatever.
Speaker: but you can tell when they're in zone, you can tell when they're in man, because just how the, they are lined up and how they, they play off and all that stuff. And a lot of the yardage that they were, that the Patriots were gaining were ah more on zone coverage than on man coverage.
Speaker: So that hurts a little bit too, especially when you're, when your linebackers are hurting. So yeah. And that's why i got to say it's, that's where it kind of leans a little bit more stale but no I I will have to say I'm gonna stick with it as a moldy because we've seen it before where you know the Falcons game was a little bit like that the Lions game was a little bit like that and you know so we've seen it before so yeah it can stay in the moldy
Speaker: Yeah, it's like I said, it's one of those where it's like it's a five five station alarm that's off in the distance kind of thing. And, you know, you could argue this this team couldn't afford, you know, you can still argue this team couldn't afford an injury to Edge Cooper, given how this linebacker room was built.
Speaker: And then when he goes out, Hopper is playing well overall. and he goes out this game. And it yeah, it it just puts so much strain on your defense. And I agree with you. Like,
Speaker: not dead Not that McDuffie or Neiman are great in man or anything, but like when you get to your fourth, fifth linebacker and you ask them to play combination zone coverages, they're just not going to have the same level of experience working with the rest of the guys on the defense. And you saw that even with McDuffie, who's played with a bunch of these guys in this defense for a few years, where I think it was to the it was a corner route or an over route to the the tight end Raritan, where it's one of those where I'm like...
Speaker: Isaiah, don't jump. you're so You're so relatively short and T-Rex armed. It's like you're useless if you try to jump. You should just keep running. And whether you...
Speaker: break up the pass or get called for DPI, it's basically the same as you jumping five yards short kind of thing. Because it's like, you're you're not doing it. Mei is actually a good quarterback who can layer the ball in. And I'm just like, just keep running. And out I would be fine if you just ran into Raritan and drew a DPI. Because you're you're not, you know, it's not like he didn't even have to do that.
Speaker: Right. It's not like if Welch played and Welch is legit six three six four and it's like, okay, if he jumps, it's like, oh, okay, maybe that creates enough of like a, you know, an eye, you know, a distraction for the tight end. But like when McDuffie jumps, it's like if you and I were out there jumping in the middle of the field kind of thing. Oh, no, i think I think you could jump higher than me right now. It's all relative. but um But I thought the same thing. When I saw him jump, I was like, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker: yeah Because all he had to do was keep running and that ball would have hit him in the back of the head. Yeah. that That's where the ball was placed. It would have hit him right in the back of the head. There was no need for him to jump.
Speaker: But for some reason, he was like, no, I'm going to jump for it. Yeah. So it's, it's one of those, like, like I said, I don't know what they can or will do, but they've got to figure something out. I don't know if, like I said, yeah i and I don't know. They've got Dingle on the practice squad. He's been there for a couple weeks now. Maybe there's something there.
Speaker: um we probably should, uh, it's kind of late to do it, but we probably should have done like uh, oh trade deadline primer because it is coming up in a couple hours when this comes out it'll it'll be the next day that the trade deadline uh comes about but I don't know if it's something that they can stand pat on, but I agree I don't know who they would be able to write go after.
Speaker: That's my thing. is like I agree. they like Especially if Hopper is anywhere from done done or unknown done kind of thing, like they've got to do something. They have to get some...
Speaker: kind of NFL-level player in the trade market, but I just don't know who the hell that is. And like I said, I joke about, like, hoping and waiting on, um... and waiting on, like, Oliver to be some kind of option there, but he's only really played edge for them, and, like, he's not tall either, so Who knows?
Speaker: like i don't know. and it's hard to guess what the who's going to be having what kind of fire sale. I would assume maybe the Chargers would offload some of their older guys.
Speaker: And I'd have to look at their roster just to see. I know they still have Perryman, but I don't know if he would be much of an upgrade at the moment. been injured all year. Like, the the guy that you would be looking at from the Chargers... And this is the thing. is like All the reports are like the Chargers...
Speaker: aren't going to like um they're not admitting defeat kind of thing and they're not gonna like they don't want to sell at the deadline but like you'd have to do something like um dion henley who's been a little up and down the last two years mostly because of injuries but it's like he's in a contract year and it's like you know if you can swing like a late day three pick kind of thing like that's the kind of player you're looking for because he's a guy who can play the run, can play coverage and stuff. But I have no idea because, you know, the Chargers probably are trying to like...
Speaker: toe the line of like we're a couple like good moves away from being good kind of thing and like the stuff we did wrong just hit all hit the fan this season so yeah like it i yeah i i just don't like henley is a name i would look at bonds another one just because of circumstance but yeah like i i just don't know what they realistically can do there but they're gonna have to figure it out um And then looking at practice squads, you'd have to look at practice squads in that too. Cause now that they have the capability to stash away some veterans on the practice squad, you know, there's a shot there too, but I, I just,
Speaker: Because we're not even sure when Zaire is going to be back. Because they they say it's a hairline fracture. But that could be anywhere from, well, we're what we're already at the two-week mark.
Speaker: But that could be another... Or it could be another two weeks kind of thing. Yeah. Right. And even if he does come back, you still need somebody else. Because then you're still running the chance that...
Speaker: Yeah, or or you're just running the chance that if Hopper's out, then you're still... you're still yeah, you still have no depth. Yeah. Um, so I, I think they, I don't know, like I said, even if it's just to bring a couple of practice squad guys in or, uh, uh, I was trying to look at Arizona's just because of Gannon's ah Pat, but they kind of revamped their linebacker room. I would have loved to have share, but they're, they're not trading him cause they just drafted him this year.
Speaker: But, ah yeah, so it'll be interesting to see what they do. But what do you got next for your... Do you got any other moldies? um Just whatever...
Speaker: Whatever the hell they're deciding to do on the O-line, like... I saw a bunch of tweets about, and like, um your fellow Hawkeye, oh um my friend Jeff um on um Twitter, he goes, who is starting? I said, well, I haven't watched the start of the game, but um the reporter said it was, again, Banks at left guard, Tomlinson at right guard. And then as I'm watching on YouTube TV, I'm like, oh no, that's 70. That's definitely Zeitler in the game kind of thing and stuff. And then you just see all the tweets that are like, oh, funny.
Speaker: They put 70 in and move 72 to left guard and magically the Packers can run the ball. And then they went and took him right back out. Yeah. So i I do think there is an element of whatever that that um procedure he had done in the offseason.
Speaker: And Steno, like I said, kind of pulled the curtain back on it where he kind of admitted like, oh, yeah, it's taking him a little longer than any of us thought to come back from that offseason procedure.
Speaker: So, you know, It's not great to hear, but at least there's something as to like, okay, there's something tangible for why we haven't played him yet. so yeah i Kind of, but they've still been using him on special teams. Right. And so the hope there is like, okay, like he played special teams against, what was it, Dallas or whatever, and then he didn't suit up for the Detroit game. And then he suited it up last week and this week, and he like actually played snaps on the O-line this week. And so it's like...
Speaker: If you're Trana in the most optimistic connecting of the dots, you're kind of thinking like, oh, maybe this was his like in-game conditioning week kind of thing because he doesn't have a preseason and stuff. And you'd like to hope that like, okay, he only played like Yeah.
Speaker: the touchdown to watson and it wasn't really his fault because the pats ran a weird and tackle twist and he and beltin who obviously have never played together before they didn't have the communication downright so like Belton ends up facing love and Zeitler is like somewhere in between blocking two people at once and stuff. So it wasn't even like he just totally got it pantsed on the play. It was kind of one of those like, well, shit, that was bound to happen at some point kind of thing.
Speaker: But ah it is one of those where it did feel as simple as like when he was in the game, you actually could run the ball. And yeah, like it's just one of those where it's kind like, ugh.
Speaker: Stop making it complicated. yeah well it and It makes the whole Aaron Banks thing even worse. Because the only reason they put Zeitler in there was because they said Banks went to the blue tent.
Speaker: And so, okay, ah like you said, they started having success once Zeitler kind of went in there. But as soon as Banks got cleared, Audi went and and Zeitler went back to the bench.
Speaker: And it makes no sense for anything, but you know, I get it. Okay. Well, they're not sure about injury, but you know, he's how, what he's 36. He's been in the league for 15 years.
Speaker: Yup. Uh, I think he's gonna know his body a little bit. and if he's, and we don't know, maybe he's not telling him, Hey, let me play. Let me play.
Speaker: but you gotta feel like he's he's getting rambunctious. You kind of see it. ah watching him because he was really firing off the, the line.
Speaker: So it's like he's hurt or he, you know, he's coming back from a surgery. he he's showing more pop than, than Belton was on Belton or on Belton's assignment. and so I just, I,
Speaker: I don't get it. And
Speaker: they keep talking about, oh, well, we were trying to fix the run game. And i mean, this was a better run game overall. What was it? They had 129 total rushed, uh, rushing yards, which is the highest that they've had all year. And, uh, I just.
Speaker: I don't know. I don't know what banks. The only thing that comes to mind is Goody's like, you're paying this guy so much money right now. Just throw him out there. And if he gets hurt, he gets hurt. We'll go to the other side.
Speaker: I don't know where the the line ends for how much influence Goody has in those situations or if it's just totally LaFleur. I don't know. so But do you have anything else for Moldy? or
Speaker: ah Uh...
Speaker: No, because that kind of goes into my... goes into the decision-making overall, which kind of leads to one of my ah fresh cheeses. So let's let's just go to the stale and go from there. All right.
Speaker: Not the worst of the bunch. It's stale cheese.
Speaker: Uh... Stale, I'm going to throw Tucker in there. My stale was just the end of the first half. Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. There was a little delay, so I was going to go. ah oh yeah. My one stale is I'm just going to throw Tucker in there because Tucker really didn't... And it looked like he did get a little dinged up, but he really did not look good. And even his his um what are we calling it the tucker shove the yeah yeah the craft special it wasn't special today no it was not it it this was like one of the first times that had ever not got the yardage that they needed out of it uh and then the couple of other times that they tried to run it they got called for false starts or than that so it just was not good today and ah he had uh
Speaker: one catch for one yard on the three targets. The, that was the, the one catch he did have. That wasn't his fault. That was a score.
Speaker: green pass that was kind of going to nowhere and he just got decked after the catch on that one. when we looked away i like Yeah, get that. But no, I agree with you. It was a stale because, like, I mean, I thought this was going to have to be a tight end game and, you know, i won't delve into that too much because of the giant fresh that come out of it.
Speaker: But it was a little disappointing that, like, and this is why I would have it in stale too because it's like, on one hand i don't want say it didn didn't matter but jordan very clearly had other places to go with the football that were really working so on one hand like i understand that tucker like it was very understandable why he only had three targets in the game and at the same time it was just a little not concerning but it was a little disappointing that they like couldn't just turn and go to him at any point and like the one you know
Speaker: It's so hard to parse if like Jordan made the throw a little too safe on that one throw up the seam or if Tucker couldn't get to it. I think it's more the former than the latter. europe' up you know You're up 31-21 at that point, so like don't put the ball in harm's way kind of thing and stuff. But yeah, you would have liked to see...
Speaker: Just a little more easy success from Tucker. And we always knew it was going to be a battle this season for him. You know, I think he's just truly crossing, um you know, like 12 months post-injury kind of thing and all that stuff. But...
Speaker: In one of those like i said where I thought he would have success in the game, it's a little bit of a disappointment that there wasn't more success there in this game. And like you noted, you just hope that you know the little ding-up he had at that one point where he kind of came like favoring his leg coming off the field. is whole And he did look okay running up the seam, like i said on that incompletion. But yeah, it was just a game where i was like, I felt like he should have had more of an impact on the game. But we've seen him have an impact earlier this season. You know, he's been fine, but we're just kind of waiting for that, like, basically the game he had before he got injured last year. You know, that the game in Pittsburgh where you're like, oh, shit, that's the best tight end in the NFL kind of thing.
Speaker: Yeah, we're trying we're waiting for the, that's Tucker Craft. you know we We haven't seen that. we've We've seen rookie season Tucker Craft. We haven't seen that that's Tucker Craft.
Speaker: So that's why it's more stale. I'm not going to yeah completely blame him because, yeah, there's a major low-hanging fruit for our fresh that we'll get into. But yeah, that's my one stale. What were you going to go to?
Speaker: I was just going to go to the end of the first half. And like I said, you know, you go up 24 to seven and then you give up a four play 70 something yard drive where New England just slices you right down the field to cut it back to a 10 point game.
Speaker: You get a big kick return and for whatever reason, getting big kick returns this season has not been good for the offense. They've just pissed away every one of those opportunities this season all the way back to week one in the Minnesota game.
Speaker: But like, you um you yeah like you You have the opportunity to really go for the jugular at the end of the first half.
Speaker: um Not put the game away necessarily, but really like put the stranglehold because you're going to get the second half kickoff and all that kind of stuff. And then you And, like, this is why it's in stale, because LeFleur is being aggressive. You know, he gets the he gets the big kick return.
Speaker: They gain eight on second down, and then on third and two, it's like... I know a lot of people are like, is that really the spot for a double pass? But that's the thing is, it's like, you want to run it in a situation where it looks like you would run the quick, the bubble screen kind of thing.
Speaker: And it just didn't work there. And then the the fourth downplay, it's like, it's one of those, you can't, you Like, you go back and look at it on film and you're like, oh, crap.
Speaker: Savion was covered by Christian Gonzalez there. But you don't really have any other choice there because pressure comes and Jordan has to get rid of the ball. And really did give Savion an opportunity to make a play there. But it's stale because it's like, ugh, like...
Speaker: you really could have like pushed this game like really into um the free zone. But then like, cause you get stopped on fourth down, the Patriots have a chance to like with a short field, um make it either 21, 24 to 24 to like, then you're in like oh, you've like controlled this first half and yet it's basically ah ah a tie game. I know it's not a tie game, but you just come out feeling like, oh God, like if they don't score coming out of halftime, this, their like win percentage probability is down below 50% kind of thing. And New England has all the momentum. So, you know, like I said, I'm not grilling LaFleur because I appreciate that he was trying to be aggressive with it, but it's just one of those words it's like when it doesn't work,
Speaker: You potentially look really dumb for it, and that's why it goes in stale more than moldy this week. But um that was that was my big one for for stale. Otherwise, I think I'm good on stale.
Speaker: I'm going to add on to yours a little bit that I thought he was getting a little too cutesy with some of his plays. ah And... I don't know if that was because the lead was giving him the opportunity to try to get cutesy because you did have an in, you know, a jet sweep with Savion. You did have the one where it looked like Savion pulled up because he was, he was supposed to throw the ball, but the, the pass wasn't there and that got blown up and all that stuff. But I just,
Speaker: I know it's weird to say, and that's the reason why it's in stale is because we, I just, I just said during the preview that he has been getting pretty good luck out of some of these gadgety plays, but I thought that you should with what was working stick with that. Don't get too cutesy with it.
Speaker: So yeah, I, I thought of maybe got a little too cutesy with some of the plays that he, he did. So just to add on a little bit there with yours.
Speaker: uh sorry i i've got a weird setup my monitor's here my camera's sitting in front of it so i i'm having to look around here so though the cream of the crime it's fresh cheese all right right you want to go first or you want me to go first i'm gonna let you take because know there's a big one sitting right there for you And I'm going to take it.
Speaker: And I'm, I, I know I was kind of given angry Mike on Twitter, a little bit of a hard time with weight in the back of the line, but I've been saying it since they've, they traded for him.
Speaker: Let Caleb Johnson play. And what does he do when he gets, and he wasn't even going to get a shot to play until Josh Jacobs broke his finger and couldn't get back into the game.
Speaker: But he went on 14 carries, 68 yards, averaged 4.9, got his first career touchdown, looked like the best running back on the team today. Yeah, is he the quickest? No, but he's bullet on his touchdown, he bulldozed through to get that touchdown.
Speaker: And this is, this is why it's, this was mind boggling why he was in the doghouse for so long for whatever reasons. And it took Marshawn Lloyd getting injured and not wishing injury on anybody, especially a guy like Marshawn, who's been dealing with a lot of injuries the last couple of years, but why it took him getting injured for them to realize Caleb Johnson might be a lot better than what we think he is.
Speaker: so And then to sit there and continue to throw Pierre strong out there, even though Caleb's getting you more yardage than what Pierre strong is on, on your rushing attempts.
Speaker: So I, You know, that's a Caleb Johnson is definitely a fresh cheese today. Again, 68 yards is what, a career, not a career, but well, yeah, it'd probably be a career high for him because he didn't get much playing time last year.
Speaker: But a team high because i don't think anybody's reached more than that all season for the running backs. so and And the average 4.9.
Speaker: You know, that's some Aaron Jones type running back at Aaron Jones peak. So yeah fresh cheese goes to Caleb Johnson all damn day long. Yeah, I mean, he's got three of the four long runs on the season. and He's got the only two 30-yard runs. So I know like Shevig makes jokes about his explosiveness and speed in one of our group chats and stuff. But it's like, it's like I said, LaFleur kind of hung himself, in my opinion, with his comments about like, oh, he doesn't do enough extra stuff like the other guys do. I'm like, yeah, but those two guys suck at running between the tackles.
Speaker: And... and Like I said, for all the stuff that I gave... um That I gave... can't even think of his name right now. Bisaccia grief about with like, you know, oh, you're um your special teamers who don't play special teams well kind of thing.
Speaker: Like... um that all that stuff my whole thing with is like again you have guys who are like yes it's great that lloyd is like a mismatch as a receiving option out of the backfield and stuff but it's like it doesn't mean dick if he can't run the ball between the tackles because like it he can't be he can't be one-way signal for the defense like well we don't need to worry about him running the ball like he just right
Speaker: put a corner on him kind of thing and stuff. So, like, that can't be the outcome. And maybe Johnson isn't special, but they don't need special. They just need someone who can gain, like, gaining three yards.
Speaker: Caleb Johnson is special. to To Joe. but But you know what i mean? Like, you there's all there's this whole, light And I understand the want for Lloyd to be a thing, but once you go four weeks of the first four weeks of the season banging your head against the wall, and it's pretty clear that like no, he's not figuring things out as he goes, it's like, okay, you need to go to a different well at this point, because that well is a little bit poisoned. So... like Stop making it harder on your whole team. And like I said, like, I'm hoping this is the end of LeFleur's vendetta and, like, misplaced, um you know, old-school, like, doghouse coaching and stuff because it's it's been hurting the team. And, like, i don't I'm not here to say, like, they win the Detroit game if Caleb gets 15 carries or anything like that. But it's, like...
Speaker: It just feels like you're just setting downs on fire when you let stronger Lloyd get, you know, real in between the tackles, carries in the flow of a... the actual flow of a game. Like, I don't care what happens when it's garbage time and stuff. But, like, you can't ignore the fact that... that Caleb has all the explosive runs except for Chris Brooks' one random 27-yarder. So, yeah.
Speaker: Like... yeah i I chuckle. I am annoyed that they let him get tackled for a two-yard loss on his last run where it screwed up. He had an over five-yard per attempt average and then getting tackled for a two-yard loss put that in bet back into the high fours and stuff. But...
Speaker: um Like, yeah, like, just give him a real chance. Like, that that's all that needs to be said. Like, just give him a real chance at this. and I've said that since the moment they traded for him, that just yeah give him some kind of shot. And, you know, I know they did that before and he had a couple of fumbles, but he had, and this is what I have to argue with people all the time. The games that he fumbled in were the same games Marshawn Lloyd fumbled in.
Speaker: But who suffered more than the other one did? Caleb Johnson has suffered more than Marshawn Lloyd has. They keep going to Marshawn Lloyd. they They completely ignored Caleb Johnson and made some kind of BS excuse for why they're not going to Caleb Johnson.
Speaker: So it's going to be a real interesting thing when because Chris Brooks is practicing right now. It's going to be interesting. I'm hoping that it... i in my strongest belief, I think it's easier to put, get Pierre strong back to the practice squad than it would be a Caleb Johnson.
Speaker: But i with the way they've been doing shit lately, I have no clue what the decisions are going to be made, but And we don't know what the injury to Lloyd is other than it's a need that maybe he could use some, you know, four weeks on IR and that opens up a little bit. And it's going to be interesting to see what they do with Jacobs because LeFleur basically said it was a fractured finger and he was having a hard time gripping the ball afterwards. So that's the reason why he never went back in.
Speaker: And i I saw the play. I think we all saw the play where he fractured the finger. And yes, I've seen that shit happen before. ah it was not good. He went up for a a stiff arm and his finger got caught in the face mask.
Speaker: And yeah, so it was not a fun one. But ah you just got to let Caleb feast. And that was the thing at Iowa that they did a lot on is...
Speaker: Yeah, it kind of drive drove us bonkers, but it was one of those things that if you just keep feeding him, he's going to become better as the game. It's kind of like we said with Eddie Lacy when Eddie Lacy was drafted.
Speaker: He's the type of runner that guys don't want to face late in the game because they've already gotten beat to hell by him and they're bruised to death and now he's you know he continues to gain steam.
Speaker: So, yeah. I think I've went on my rant long enough. Feed Caleb Johnson. Alright, my first fresh is Jordan. Like, and there's a bunch of low-hanging fruits, but it's Jordan.
Speaker: um I don't need to say much more than that. Just a pretty spectacular game. Starts it off with a rushing touchdown, and um ah there are times where I do wish he would run a little more, but I also don't blame him for it because, like,
Speaker: Your job is to throw the ball, but it is nice to see when he does get his rushing attempts in and he has success on them. And then his touchdown throws were all excellent, like just pretty perfect ball placement on each one of them.
Speaker: I know they weren't necessarily like the most difficult of th throws, but um each one of them was... There's one throw. Just to interrupt you, there's what and it wasn't touchdown. There's one throw. I wish he would have done a little bit different, even though it ended up as a completion.
Speaker: It was to Golden and it was one of his deep throws and had he led Golden just a little bit, that would have been a touchdown, but Golden had to stop for it. And, and the, I think it was Gonzalez had to catch it or had caught up to him, but that was the only throw that I could say, Jordan, what the hell are you doing? Put a little bit more on it.
Speaker: Yeah, it was the one right after... Because it was, like... it was the It was the golden drive because it was the one where he catches the ball on the sideline and then they're... It's close. It's, like, really close. Like, yeah New England might have won that challenge if they challenged it.
Speaker: um But they quick-snapped the ball and then, yeah, and then, like, New England totally bust the coverage. And, yeah, like you said, if Jordan puts that ball even a yard further out, he might have been able to house that one. But otherwise, like...
Speaker: Not too much to say about Jordan's day. i don't think there's much he could have done on the three sacks he took. Took care of the ball. You know, like last week, like we said, you know, he got intercepted. And then there were those couple other throws where you're like, ooh, like...
Speaker: that throw to savi on up the seam that one was a little dangerous and oh if that throw doesn't get batted down that might have been a pick six for carolina kind of thing and stuff so um there weren't any of those this week like he just totally filleted this new england defense and um he only had six non-completions so there's not much you can complain about it and two or three of those were just clear throwaways kind of thing so Yeah, i like I don't have too much more to say, but other than that, that um it's going to lead right into one of our other freshes, our other very low-hanging fruit freshes.
Speaker: Well, and you can combine them. So it's the three wide receivers, the two main ones, but you can throw Savion in there because Savion was getting the the little scraps, if you want to call it that, from the other two. But, you know, Christian Watson, seven receptions, 171 for touchdown. 10 for 10, 164 yards and a touchdown with a long 49.
Speaker: ten for ten a hundred and sixty four yards and a touchdown with a long of forty nine this I know we've said this before, but it it's ah it's easy to do when he didn't get much playing time last year.
Speaker: But this has to be Golden's best game as a pro so far. ah He was looking really He toasted the hell out of an all-pro corner.
Speaker: ah And I can see that being a locker room fight. the and starting the week at practice between Gonzalez and Vrabel because they both had completely different words to say about the situation but um yeah Golden looked amazing he looked like he'd been in the league for you know ah five years and sounds like Mike's getting yelled at or something But yeah, it's just one of those where like, you just look at how the game unfolds and it's like, oh, like, because, and what, like two of my talking points was like, the Patriots are really good at taking away top options, blah, bla blah, blah, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker: and they're going to have to spread the ball around. He only threw to five guys. Well, that's what I mean. your Your two guys are Christian and Matthew and then Savion had like maybe a couple crumbs.
Speaker: Like this is the kind of game I was hoping Golden would have against top corners in like another two years kind of thing. I didn't in my wildest dreams have him pegged for this kind of game against Christian Gonzalez. And I think the world of Gonzo. I think he's an el elite, elite player.
Speaker: Yeah, like the, you know, the the um the long play and the touchdown were clear miscommunications and stuff. But again, that's where I thought that he was just going to man up Golden. And Golden did get him there because there was the other deep ball where he like kind of boxes out Gonzalez on the sideline and just leaves him on the turf. And I did not expect to see that play out of Golden this year. Like, it usually it takes guys more playing time to figure out how to play that kind of game. And because Gonzalez is a much bigger player than than Golden is, but like that play he made on that deep ball where like he was isolated on Gonzalez, that was a special, special play. And then with Watson...
Speaker: Like, it was one of those where it was sort of like, um it's kind of like the battering ram, like a medieval battering ram where it's like, here's 10 yards, nine yards, nine yards.
Speaker: There's the 20 something yarder. There's the other 20 something yarder. And then boom, there's the 39 yard touchdown play kind of thing. And it's like, oh. And for Watson, I don't know if you got to see it or not, but that one handed grab for the first down was amazing.
Speaker: that That boy had some stickum on his hands, that's for sure. Some extra pine tar. Them World Series boys must have gave him that pine tar to stick to those gloves this week, week because that was a nab. that That's like SportsCenter shit.
Speaker: Yup. And like it's just so funny to think about because it's like, it's a nine yard catch his most impressive play of the game kind of thing and stuff. So yeah, it it's pretty, like, they have all the hallmarks of being a special duo in this league, especially with a guy like Jordan who can put the ball any to any spot on the football field. and has the gall to do it too. Like, that's the thing is like, you know, there's a lot of guys with that ability, but like, you have to have that little bit of effort attitude that Jordan has that like, it's funny because like, you know, personality wise, he comes off, knock i don't want to say he comes in, he's this really humble, really like soft spoken guy kind of thing. But like you flip on this game film and there's a lot of effort throws kind of thing and stuff. And, um,
Speaker: You know, it does play into why the rival fans say like, oh, he's just playing so-and-so is down there. But it's like, I do hate that attitude because like, he's he's willing to make those throws with like Melton down there. Like that's the thing that makes him different is it's like, he's not only doing that kind of stuff when it's Watson.
Speaker: It's like, or or Golden even. It's like, he's made He's made those kind of throws to Melton. He's made one to Sturdivant that got robbed of a touchdown from Sturdivant. um Yeah, like he's willing to. It's just that I think very early on, he recognized like, oh, we can get Gonzalez in this game. And so if if my two big game options are open, well, yeah, I'm going to give it to him.
Speaker: I do feel bad ah for Gonzalez because early in the game, he got tabbed for pass interference on Bo Melton. And I did say this on Twitter. i said, somebody passed the message on to Bo, uh, on the Christian Gonzalez that he did not have to hold Bo Melton because Bo was probably not going to catch the ball anyway. So I do think that kind of hurt him a little bit, but yeah, these guys, I Again, you don't wish injury on anybody, especially what Jaden Reed's going through right now.
Speaker: Right. But how would this... how would things look a little bit different if jaden was in there would we be seeing this breakout that matthew golden is kind of having right now if they if jaden was still out there playing so for matthew to step in and especially after not getting used last year and this technically being you know like his red shirt freshman year uh the He's really become a solid pro so far, and he can only go up from here.
Speaker: And again, for those questioning his hands, 10 for 10 today. So I don't know. Maybe they did have the extra stick them or they had some pine tar or something. But, ah you know, it it was a hell of a game for both him and Watson.
Speaker: So which got there's a couple others out there. Yeah, I mean, ah we'll just lump the two safeties together. They had us they both had stellar games. um Like I said, Xavier's interceptions were two where I thought Brady did a good job of showing like, yeah, he kind of tricked May into both of them where he took false steps towards other receivers kind of thing and led May a little bit into thinking like maybe he could have it. one that will disagree with that in is the first one because it was popped up.
Speaker: that was That one was... that That one I don't think you could say Xavier baited him into anything because it was popped up. Yeah. and And I do think Hollins kind of screwed me on that one because he kind of just stopped running for no reason. But either way, great... Like, you know, that's the thing with, like, people who were, like, down on Xavier last year and early this season. i was like, he was in position to bait a lot. He just, for whatever reason, wasn't catching the ball last season. And, like...
Speaker: I don't... You know, some people rate that differently and all, but, like, I'm like, if he's still there and he's just dropping them, like, okay, like, the DB rules apply to everyone at some point outside of, like, Charles Woodson kind of thing and stuff where, like, they're a DB for a reason kind of thing and stuff, but, um, it's nice to see that Xavier is back to picking anything that touches his hands off.
Speaker: And then Evan was just his usual jack-of-all-trades, um... um mastering some ah version of safety that he is. um Ranged over, like I said, and you know, Cissé made the really good play on the one deep ball and um popped it up in the air for Williams to grab on the sideline. And then he had, you know, um the near sack. yeah Or did he get a sack? Yeah.
Speaker: No, he had a QB hit, but he didn't get... No, he didn't even get credited with a QB hit, but he had a pressure. Yeah, had the one where like he couldn't quite grab and wrap up Maeve, but um yeah, just...
Speaker: All around, really good to game from Williams. Did make everyone's heart skip a beat when he went down on the sideline. But, you know, helmets in the ribs. I think that was more that the wind got knocked out of him. Because the way that helmet hit, man, that was something else. Uncomfortable. Yeah. The only...
Speaker: thing that i'm going to put negative on evan williams for was because he became the talking point the whole friggin game because tom brady kept saying well didn't find out until him i was talking to evan that his mom babysat me when i was five years old and that was just whole talking point for the whole friggin game it's like ah come on guys i understand you got to take one thing and you know continuously talk about it but there's a whole game going on here that's amazing and there's a lot of things that you can talk about evan williams about but you know you don't have to keep harping on that one thing but yeah evan great game there were a couple of moments where
Speaker: Again, I think when they were in their zone looks that you couldn't tell if it was an Evan-type thing or if that was, you know, somebody else was supposed to do the coverage or whatever. But overall, he you can't complain about the game Evan Williams had today. McKinney had a couple of those, too, where, like, oh right on the last May touchdown drive where...
Speaker: He's kind of sitting in like a hook zone, but it's like there's no one in front of him and he lets Henry get behind him kind of thing and stuff. But like you said, those are the things that are going to happen when you're in zone coverage from time to time. So um be that as it may, overall just really good games from both guys. And like made like the main thing is like the big plays they were that were available, they made them when they were there for them. So yeah.
Speaker: Otherwise, what's it called? Who's your next? Well, there's one more big one. And then they're probably either if you've got another one, that's fine. If not, they're probably more honorable mentions, but I've got to throw Carl Brooks in there.
Speaker: This was probably his best game overall. Two sacks, three QB hits ah was really adding to that pass rush. I know the pass rush didn't look great today,
Speaker: But Gannon was doing funky things with that defense just to, you know, make up for the lack of linebacker play. And and so it's not going to look great on the stat line, but they were getting pressure.
Speaker: And you could tell that, like, Lucas was getting double teamed and stuff like that. And... ah But, yeah, ah Carl Brooks was was doing pretty good, and they weren't just gimme sacks for him either. They were legit. He worked his ass off and got in there to get those sacks. So i you got to give him his his props for today.
Speaker: And like like you said, one of my honorable mentions,
Speaker: um I'll give Cissé credit for the game. Like I said, one one play one like coaching tape play, the the one where he kind of like... And like I said, I do like that he didn't DPI um Pop Douglas, but he's going to learn, like, okay, like, how do I... What's a better way to react in that situation? He got lucky there because that could have been, like, ah that could have been a ball down to the five-yard line or a touchdown.
Speaker: But... um Otherwise, you know, like I said, he makes the play that leads to the Evan Williams, that directly leads to the Evan Williams interception. um Just putting himself consistently in position where, like, May is another quarterback that just doesn't look his way. um You know, part of the reason why Nixon was, i don't want to say, like...
Speaker: Somewhere between like not great to exposed is like, okay, like, oh, like we will just go in this direction because we're at least going to complete passes in front of Nixon. And then it's like, is he going to tackle and stuff? Whereas Cissé's coverage is just, you know, he's just a better athlete. He's a better corner and his coverage is just that much stickier. So teams are taking fewer and fewer chances in those situations with him.
Speaker: Um, But, um, yeah, like it, it's just, um, it's just really good to see like his arrow is pointing up and that's all we could have asked for. And like, not like up from the ground, he's like somewhere up in the sky towards the stratosphere where the arrow is pointing kind of thing. And, you know, He he was um awarded um rookie of the year or notie Rookie of the Month of October.
Speaker: Very well deserved. um And you just hope to see that more and more coming his way and stuff. um I know we we kind of like poo-pooed them earlier, but McDuffie and Neiman deserve a lot of credit for just...
Speaker: doing all they could to make enough havoc in the middle of the field. And like like you said, like we've both gone over McDuffie's not a perfect player. Neiman definitely isn't a perfect player at linebacker. um But they deserve a lot of credit for making enough plays in the middle of the field to like stabilize that part of the defense despite being linebacker four and five out there. for this deal I am a little surprised Welch. And I know this he hasn't played in this system before.
Speaker: But like... Like you said, Neiman is more of a downhill guy, whereas Welch can play a little bit downhill and little bit in reverse. And I think he uses his height better than Neiman does. So was kind of surprised Welch didn't get a look when Hopper, especially because Hopper is more of the coverage guy. But, you know, as much as we poo-pooed them earlier, I do want to give them credit for, like, making enough plays over the course of this game.
Speaker: um And, you know, mcduffy had his moments he had a sack he had a a couple tackles for a loss and that's a force fumble yeah and the force fumble and so i'm not taking anything away from him i'm just saying that you don't want to see those guys in reverse you want to them coming downhill right yeah and they are limited yeah and so like it it it does It is one of those where you're kind of like you feel like they need to make something happen. They need to make a move.
Speaker: And at the same time, it's kind of like ah like, I don't know what that move is. But credit where credit's due, they deserve their flowers for what they did in their opportunity today.
Speaker: But Mike, I'm kind of disappointed in you that you've already jumped to your honorable mentions and you forgot to mention the one last true fresh thing. And I'm disappointed in you. Trace Mack. Yes. Three for three, long of 51, four for four on extra points.
Speaker: You know, he... I tried to convey this during the live stream, but I, for some reason, the words aren't coming through like, but this was the big thing that both Mike and I have said that makes him different than Anders Carlson.
Speaker: When Anders would miss, you were scared the rest of the game that he was just gonna keep missing because he looked like a deer in the headlights. Trey, when he'd miss, had like that short-term memory where it was just like out of his head, he was onto to the next kick.
Speaker: and you know ah whatever happens there were a couple of moments where a couple of kicks one was a straight field goal and i think the other one was an extra point where i was like uh-oh But the one that was a field goal was they had a free runner off of the left side. And I was like, oh, great. This one's going to get blocked. But he was able to get it up and in.
Speaker: And then on the extra point, it kind of wobbled just a little bit. it looked like it could have been drifting to the right. even that one there was leakage. There was leakage again off the left side. Yeah. So...
Speaker: yeah so ah But overall, this was a great game from the rookie. I do have to say i was glad to hear it. It was not brought up once that he was the only kicker drafted in the 2026 NFL draft. because they're too busy talking about the babysitting. but So,
Speaker: you know, what but yeah, he that's that's definitely fresh for the day. You know, as bad as I went in thinking that was one of the freshest and I totally forgot. Sorry, Trey. But you know, what that's a good thing. We wanted to get to the point where we don't have to think about the kicking game. So good job, Trey. And for all the people that are like, oh my God, they went for two. They didn't go for two because of Anders. Like they went for two because it it was like the right move to get it to, you know, 42 to 21 or whatever it was at that point of the game. So like that's why they went for two there. So Yeah.
Speaker: ah Well, there's another one if you want to throw it as like an honorable mention or a true fresh. This was a hell a game plan from LaFleur. And, you know, outside of what we were what I kind of talked about earlier where I thought he got a little too cute to he was some of his play call.
Speaker: One thing that you used to bring up a lot when it came to LaFleur is Robert Sala would talk about how you just take him out to the deep end and let him drown. I think this is one of those games where you can say that didn't work.
Speaker: They tried to do, but LaFleur just kept pounding and pounding and pounding and pounding. And, you know, that's why going for two was kind of a little bit of a shock there for a moment because it's like,
Speaker: really we're this far up and he's just not going turtle. ah so yeah, that, that was a great move by him. So whether you want to call it as a ah complete fresh or just an honorable mention fresh, you got to give his game planning. And this was like a real true, I did catch his press shirt and he was like,
Speaker: somebody asked him about putting in his reserves and he goes i did start having flashbacks of that cowboys game and ptsd was kind of starting to sink in where i was afraid that we were going to have to put our guys back in because uh they started driving down driving down but the defense really held out on it and so Yeah, for all the crap that he's been getting a lot this year, I think this was a hell of a game for him.
Speaker: Especially against a guy like Vrabel, who LaFleur has kind of turtled against. yeah He has a past with and stuff. Yeah, I agree. And like, I know people aren't going to like this, but I do think who the quarterback is makes a difference too, because...
Speaker: um You know, when he was younger, Rodgers was a little more free-flowing, but when he got as he got older, there was kind of like, he I liken him to like um like ah ah a Federer or Nadal where like, as they get older playing tennis, they're kind of like, oh, like, I'm just going to let this game go. I'm not going to, I'm not, like, i I don't think I can break this, I don't think I can get break point in this game, so I'm not going to give full effort. I'm going to just get back to my service game. And you so you saw a lot of that, especially like,
Speaker: 2018 on with Rodgers where there was like a almost laissez-faire approach in games where you're kind of like if these first three drives don't go well you're kind of like ugh like he's
Speaker: Just gonna start to like, not take sacks, not throw interceptions kinda thing and not like, really give us a chance to get back in the game kinda thing and stuff. I know that's a true, like a real oversimplification but like, just, I do think it fed into some of the the the deep water stuff and all. But I agree with you, like, he really did kinda show like, yeah, I know who you are Vrabel and you kinda know who I am but there's layers to this and stuff and like, he really did like,
Speaker: the The part of the game plan I agree with you on is like, like I said, with the Jordan and the receivers part is like, once they figured out that like when they probed Gonzalez and said that they could get something on him, they were like, oh yeah, we're we're going back to that well. And like, cause it is such like a psychological thing when you're getting big plays off their best player. Like, oh, like Achilles has fallen kind of thing and stuff. So, right. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: But, um... Otherwise, think I'm good with... I can't think of really any other... I mean...
Speaker: Yeah, I can't think of really anything off the top of my head either. Like I said, like... We'd probably be a little more cheery if, like, the Dolphins had Miracle 1 against the Lions or if Tampa Bay didn't shit the bed for three of the four quarters tonight and stuff.
Speaker: But, um... like I'm going to throw this out as an honorable mention. I thought the reffing was pretty fair today. It was honestly pretty good. Yeah. There might have been a couple of moments where it's like, yeah I don't know. But overall, there wasn't an overabundance of calls going both sides.
Speaker: ah So I thought it was pretty decent compared to what the Packers have been dealing with. oh earlier in the season. So, yeah.
Speaker: And I'm pretty sure that this, the head ref for today's game is pretty known for throwing a lot of flags. And yeah it just didn't happen this year. Eight total accepted penalties tonight. So, yeah.
Speaker: And, like, the the one, like... I can't even call it a ref show, but like the one sequence where there was like back-to-back flags, it's because we did false start and then the Patriots did jump offside immediately after that. So like nothing to be said there. Like the only one that was like close to like eh for the Packers is like the false start on the um the first time they tried to do the k craft special where it's kind of like that felt a little bit too like razor's edge kind of thing and stuff but otherwise yeah like you said like I don't
Speaker: really had really didn't get to see the one on deny Dennis Sutton where he got nailed for roughing the pastor I never did get to see the replay on that so i don't know how that looked but I have a really really low tolerance for roughing the passer calls from this weekend because of what happened in the Hawkeye game and yeah that was a bunch of shit and I'm gonna I I'm gonna bring it up now we got nothing else to talk about how can you get called for targeting When the offensive tackle is pushing you towards the quarterback.
Speaker: i I don't understand how that they can they they considered that targeting because he got the outside edge of the tackle. The tackle was guiding him pretty much and ran him right into the quarterback. And just because he happened to hit him in the head, that was targeting.
Speaker: Yeah, okay, give him roughing, whatever, but that's not targeting, especially... with as an emotional day as it was for drew campbell anyway it could have been a lot worse because that's uh drew is jack's younger brother so uh that was kind of and you know still thoughts and all that to to jack campbell because it doesn't sound great for him they they're saying that he started getting feeling back in or in his legs but he was still having issues with his with his upper body so like like that when you're a week out, that's not great kind of thing. That you're still dealing with it and stuff.
Speaker: So, yeah. Remains to be seen. But, um, otherwise, I'm good. I had to bring it up because i was still bugging the hell out of me.
Speaker: Uh, but, but yeah, that'll ah that'll conclude our recap of the game. Uh, we'll be back on, um, we'll be recording Wednesday for Thursday's episode, um, regarding the upcoming matchup with the rematch with the Vikings. um The Packers look to avenge their week one loss.
Speaker: um Hopefully. Now they play tomorrow night, right? Or Monday night. Yeah. Okay. If you beat the Vikings next week, ah Well, they need to lose tomorrow. They're playing the Bills, so percentages say that they're not going to win that game, but it is in Minnesota, I think. So if they do lose tomorrow, then if you win next week, you are ahead of at least the Vikings in the NFC North standings. um and that's But that's all Green Bay can do is they they can only control what's in front of them.
Speaker: Got to go 1-0 every week, and that's... Technically, they'd have the tiebreaker over the Bears too, wouldn't they? Because they've got the win on the season.
Speaker: Yeah, the win on the season and then division record and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, so they would creep back ahead of Chicago in the head-to-heads and stuff like that. So yeah. so um But...
Speaker: Yep, Packers just have to continue taking care of business. You'd like to see them continue to do that. And hopefully they get good news on the injury front this week because they they just... we I know we say it every week, but they really just cannot afford to take any more injuries this season. It feels like the the straw has broken the camel's back like five different times, but, you know, they continue to go out there and just fire away and throw punches. But, you know, they...
Speaker: They just cannot continue to take more injuries at this point. But um please check us out on social medias at Ohana underscore Packer on Twitter at Ohana Packers Edition on Instagram. Please follow us on Facebook so that when Joe live streams, you can live stream there. um Please follow the podcast on your favorite. Please check out the podcast on your favorite podcasting app. Please give us a like and a subscribe. And um comments, thoughts,
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Speaker: um Joe's really good at fishing those up and we will address anything and everything that comes to mind. So um please give us your insight and we will follow through on those. But The Packers rack up their sixth win of the season, keep pace with not only the rest of the the division, but the rest of the top of the NFC. That's all you can ask them to do at this point. And next week is a big one for their standing in the division if they get some help and continue to take care of business on their own. But for Iowa Joe, I'm Mike.
Speaker: Go Pack Go! And Aloha!
