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E-Bikes in the Backcountry: The Future of Western Hunting – Dave Andre
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In this episode of the Tricer Podcast, Drew Miles is joined by BAKCOU Bikes co-founder Dave Andre to talk about how hunting e-bikes are changing the way we access the mountains. Dave walks through the origin of BAKCOU, how he and his brother-in-law went from an excavating business and neurophysiology to building purpose-built e-bikes for Western hunters, and what truly sets their bikes apart from cheap Amazon options. They dig into real hunt stories where e-bikes and scooters made the difference on elk, aoudad, whitetails, and mule deer, plus how overbuilt frames, powerful mid-drive motors, and smart geometry help hunters go farther, quieter, and with more energy for the pack out. The episode wraps with a look at evolving e-bike regulations, ethical trail use, and the “Bigger Than the Hunt” giveaway that unites brands to support kids in need. If you are considering an e-bike this is a must listen podcast
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Transcript
Introduction to Bigger Than the Hunt Giveaway
00:00:00
Speaker
What's up guys, Drew from Tracer here. i want to tell you about our biggest giveaway of the year, the Bigger Than the Hunt giveaway, where all the proceeds go directly to help foster children in need. The Than the Hunt giveaway runs December first through thirty first with over prizes. Every you donate is and gets you a chance to win one of these excellent prizes. We have gun packages, bow packages, glassing packages, whitetail packages, Western McGame packages, over $50,000 in gears up for grabs, and every penny you put in goes directly to help children and is 100% tax write-off. Go to tricer.com today and enter the Bigger Than Hunt giveaway December 1st 31st.
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All right. I'm excited for this one. um
Drew's South Africa Trip: Missions and Hunting
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i had the opportunity this year to go to South Africa and do some missions work and also hunt. And it was in in collaboration with a bunch of brands. And one of those brands on that hunt who kind of spearheaded I mean, they did spearhead it. They did spearhead It was, was Baku Bikes. And I had never met Dave Andre before until this hunt. I think we might've met at maybe expo or sheep show.
00:01:07
Speaker
But i really got to spend two weeks with him. um his His son and daughter went, and his son is my son's age. They just hit it off, had a great time. He still talks about him to this day. I'll probably bring my son with me to Utah this year a few times to hang out with Dave's son.
00:01:19
Speaker
But um long story short really cool relationship with these guys and um really building a special product that I didn't really understand the use for until I got one. And now I never want to hike again, or at least I want to use this thing as much as I possibly can because it just makes me so much more effective. So dave Andre, Baku Bikes, welcome to the Tracer podcast.
00:01:41
Speaker
Right on. and Thanks, Drew. Yeah, know. appreciate you having me on. yeah it was a pleasure um hunting with you down in South Africa. I mean, that was ah an amazing experience. hu I mean, things that we got coming with that, with the videos that we've been pushing and and we're going to try to put together a movie night during the Western hunt.
00:01:59
Speaker
And just kind of show what the hunter's dollar does in, you know, especially in South Africa, but in other countries, you know, it's not just the money doesn't just go to the outfitter, but it supports the community and the economy massively in some of these areas.
00:02:15
Speaker
Yeah. So I've always been out on Africa and like, I don't know why. I think it was just like this misconception, like, oh, it's like shooting fish in a barrel and i didn't want to go. And then these guys, everyone listens to this podcast knows I'm a Christian, know that I spend time in Africa. Like I have a ministry in
Changing Perceptions of African Hunting
00:02:31
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Kenya that i help oversee a little bit and my son's going to move there next year. And I heard about this thing they're doing and they're working with youth almost the same age as we work with. And I was like, I want to go see that. Yeah.
00:02:41
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And man, like I went for that, but the hunting was amazing. i guess you can go to South Africa and you can have, I should have tallies on the podcast. I think they're, they're stateside now. They're in Mexico, but, um, yeah and they'll be up during a Western hunt.
00:02:57
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Yeah. can probably get them on during Western hunt, but like, I know that you can go to Africa and you can go to this place where you can sit in a pit blind and shoot things over water. And you're kind of like, in my mind, it was like, how much one cost? Shoot. How much does one cost? Shoot it. And you just stack animals, dude.
00:03:11
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it changed my life going down there. Like I'm like, you, you're full on Western mc game hunting spot and stock with the added caveat that if
Hunting's Role in Conservation and Economy
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you blow a stock, there's so many more animals.
00:03:22
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Yeah. It's not like you blow. Well, I blow a mule deer after, you know, like, eight days of hunting and you just want to like jump your jump off a cliff. Cause you're just like, I just blew it. That's my only chance. Yeah. Yeah. no the yeah And I'm not saying it's a good thing to be lazy down there, but like, dude, like they were just, it was unreal seeing so many animals. And then another thing I could say on Africa, cause I spend a lot of time in Kenya is Kenya allows zero hunting and they must have like one 10th of the animals that South Africa does.
00:03:54
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And I never understood it until I went to South Africa. Hunting has saved... the animals, conservation, save the animals. Like you even like, like in South Africa, like if it wasn't for hunting, everyone would just kill the animals off because you couldn't run your cows and your sheep. And when you go to Kenya, all you see is cows and sheep on these vast savannas, except for in the state parks because they're killing them all off or pushing them all out because they're competing with their animals. And these are people who need the food. Like, you know, they need the the livestock to survive. they just kill off the animals and it's not there. But in South Africa, man,
00:04:30
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It's a success story, like, I mean, comparative to the North American success story of conservation. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's proven a lot of the countries down there in Africa, the ones that the government regulate, the population of this the the animals are still suffering.
00:04:48
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But with South Africa, they basically gave the people... the wildlife, if they're on your land, you own them. If you, you know, want to manage them. So it kind of basically turned a lot of the landowners that could make some money off the wildlife into biologists and manage the game.
00:05:06
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And I think, I mean, the population of everything is just soared and they found a really happy ball a balance between, you know, feed like areas for their sheep and their cows to, to row, to roam. And then they also um have areas for all the wildlife to roam too. So they kind of keep separated.
00:05:24
Speaker
And so they've been able to really concert and conservation, the animals and, and regulate them to, to do well. And, and I was the same way I really had no passion no like ah maybe when I'm 70 I'll go to Africa on a safari yeah you know and yeah and I think I was down in Texas where the company took us down there and we were hunting for some and I seen a kudu come walking by the blind I'm like what the heck is that thing that thing is awesome so that kind of speared a little bit of spark of like maybe I do want to go see some of these African animals and
00:05:57
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And when I met the Tally's amazing family outfitting company down there, we went down. We've been, yeah, we've we've gone the last three years in a row. And it's just the opportunity of a hunter's dream. I mean, the opportunities to spot and stalk and hike the mountains. and And like you say, you blow a stalk and, you know, it's amazing.
00:06:19
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you can hike over a hill and there's something else. I mean, you'd be sneaking in on a kudu and might have an impala come in that you take or something like that. You know, happens so many times on this trip. Like you're going out for one thing and you end up shooting something different, right? Like, it's just like, I, like I was going after a wildebeest. ended shooting a kudu and a wildebeest, right? Just, there's just, it's,
00:06:39
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It was really cool. And like also the properties you're hunting, it this isn't high fence where we're hunting, right? So like it's it's low fence. They're going between property and property. Some of these properties are, was it like millions of acres like that one we went on? Oh, yeah. And you're glassing out and it's almost like you're 10,000 years in history and like, oh, there's a giraffe and there's an elephant and there's some rhinos over here. And it's just like, there's not a building for...
00:07:08
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hundreds of miles and there's just animals and it was just like it was so cool the only reason they put high fence is basically to keep them from crossing roads or keeping poachers out or keeping them going into like grazing land where that farmer might shoot them if they come start eating the feed for his cattle or something you know basically that's where they'll fence areas to keep keep them on this side not go don't go over this way you know but Yeah, they're not, the whole property's not like that.
00:07:39
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Yeah, I was out on it and then you guys came in. think you guys talked to me at Western Hunt well and I was like, all right, I'm in. And then what really got me was hearing what they were doing there with youth and I actually got to bring some of the guys from uh, GF for GF up to Kenya with me as well. We're actually sharing curriculum and trying to implement some of what they're doing. And for GF to GF into Kenya. Now we're calling it the Elisha project or raising up young adults who are 18 to like 24, doing the same thing in there, but different, but same. and it was just really cool to have that collaboration between the two ministries. we're actually going to implement some over after school clubs in South Africa as well. It's just, it was a really neat experience getting over there and to see what the tallies are doing. The tallies are actually giving 10% of all their funds go directly to supporting ah rural farm village children
00:08:26
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yeah in um in South Africa. And what that looks like is putting in a 12-month intense discipleship program for 12 kids. And they actually go through like an intense um vetting process from 400 kids down to 12. And they ended up with 50, and they end bringing those 50 kids like camping. And then they pick 12 of those kids to really disciple hardcore leaders within the community. when these kids are getting to graduation age of 12 months in their program,
00:08:54
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every business leader in the community is trying to hire them. like they They have tons of, and this this this is not only teaching them about Jesus, which I love, but also teaching them how to budget, how to um how to clean, how to cook, how to be you know ah have work ethic, teaching of life skills that a lot of it is lacking in these African countries that are so corrupt with government where they're just people were just kind of living off the government and they're losing these leaders and the toys have been on the switch situation, this ministry to really build leaders up. It's really neat to see.
00:09:26
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Yeah, no, it is. really is. I mean, that's where they need to, that's where they had the vision to kind of start with is changing the youth, inspiring them to be community leaders and, and become better um for society, you know, cause yeah, it was just going downhill pretty rapidly.
00:09:45
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Yeah, enough about Africa. those guys are cool, but um you guys make bikes. Uh, I, I should like, I never knew I needed an e-bike until I got a Baku bike.
Baku Bikes Boosting Hunting Efficiency
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And now I'm like, I'll give you example.
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<unk>ve I've taken it out three times now. I killed a buck with it last Friday. Normally I have to drive like an hour and a half into the spot, but with the e-bike, I'm able to pull off side of the road and like there's fences, we you can go through the fence on the e-bike and ride in. I was able to ride into the spot And what I like about it, like in San Diego is we have very low densities of deer.
00:10:21
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So you kind of can gloss a Canyon out in some of these areas pretty quick, you know, 20, 30 minutes, you get a Canyon glossed out. Well, now if you're on foot, you're kind of stuck. Yeah. mean, or,
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or Or if I'm on my truck, I'm like driving this giant truck around, you know, sharing it, scaring everything away. On this e-bike, I was able to cover three miles in about, going from like 5.45 in the morning until I killed the buck at 9.30. Three miles going canyon to canyon just glassing. And i'd I'd park the bike and then hike in, you know, maybe I'd hike in a quarter mile, maybe I'd hike in 500 yards, maybe I'd hike in, you know, 50 yards, whatever. And I'd just glass these canyons and I'd move and I'd keep doing it.
00:10:59
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And sure enough, i turned up a three by three San Diego buck, which in San Diego is a great buck. Um, and I smoked a buck on my e-bike. Um, yeah, crazy. I mean, ah yeah, even for me, it's just like, I only really look for areas that I can hunt on a bike, um, to be able to move around quicker, silent.
00:11:18
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Um, and, You can cover elk hunt. I elk hunt a ton. and but a bike That's kind of what I got into. we started this. I used to bike hunt 25 years ago just on a regular mountain bike. We'd ride logging roads in and instead of walking in and out. and but With a regular bike, you're just you know you're trying to keep your scent down, but you ride a little bit and it's cold. You're sweating by the time you stop.
00:11:42
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And so it wasn't really very feasible. So back in 2016, an area up in Idaho got logged and I'm like, man, I could really ride a bike through here.
00:11:53
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And I think just after that season, I seen something with an electric bike of some sort and I thought, for any, so I really set up trying to find one to buy for myself and just realized they're not really made for Western hunting. The heavy duty off road, you know,
00:12:08
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And so then that's kind of just sent us on a path to like really find and define, make a heavy duty off-road bike. And, and haven't looked back. That's just keep what we keep them in the end 80 and trying to make these bikes durable, you know, plenty of distance, big batteries.
00:12:28
Speaker
And just so you can, you know, like you say, you get out like on elk hunt, you hike into this Canyon, you're pretty much stuck to that Canyon to glass and hunt it. And if, You know, by 930, 10 o'clock, you're you're hiking back out on a bike and you get on a ridge or a trail, you know, depending on the regulations.
00:12:46
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You can bugle in a couple of canyons and get over to another spot and bugle. And, you know, you hear one back in that other canyon, you can cruise back over there and get on it quicker, you know, and have plenty of hunting time um to to get around.
00:13:03
Speaker
Yeah,
Origin and Development of Baku Bikes
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Hunt Smarter. You're still selling my thunder for my questions because the first question I was gonna ask you is what problem in the hunting world did you originally set out to solve when you started Baku? Yeah, I mean, really for myself, like i was tired of walking logging roads and a traditional bike didn't suffice just because – You know, like you say, I was sweating just riding a couple miles bundled up because it's, you know, 30 degrees, 20 degrees in the mornings.
00:13:30
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And then you stop and your your heat's up. And so with the electric motor of the assist, you're not doing too much energy, you know, exerting too much energy to get out there.
00:13:42
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um And so and, you know, trying to balance that. non-motorized trails with class one and class two in some areas to where you can ride on mountain bike roads and gated roads.
00:13:53
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Um, to, you know, or just a lot of ATV trails riding, but eliminating that noise. I mean, I don't know how many times I've been on an elk back in the area and ATV starts coming in, you know, two miles away and that elk goes quiet on me because of the engine of the side-by-side. They just are educated to it. and And so when you can get into a canyon or, and move around,
00:14:17
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with no sound of a motorcycle or side-by-side. They're much more apt to respond to calling. Yeah. That's one thing I noticed too. You talked about like exerting energy. Um, like when I went in on Friday, when I killed that buck, it was like, it doesn't get cold, but it was probably like 45 degrees. So it was chilly, but I was like, well, I ride a mountain bike. I get downhill about Mike and I, a pedal I pedal and do road biking. So I know like, I'm going to start sweating. I, I, I was riding the e-bikes. I mean, I can't wear a jacket. i' go to have to just wear, you know, wear my, my polyester shirt and ride in. And I got a mile in and I was freezing.
00:14:56
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on that bike. And I'm like, I'm not using, and I'm pedaling. I use the pedal, you know, I'm doing like, I'm pedaling with it too. Cause I just, you know, it helps. And like, you just aren't burning the same amount of energy as you do a bicycle. I had to put it, I put a, a Kuyu hard shell on and I wrote, then that was before I even got to the hill. I rode that bike all the way up the hill all morning with a jacket on because,
00:15:15
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it just, it's really nice. Yeah. Like, yeah really nice and you can regulate how much energy you want to put out. So if, if it is cold, you can, you know, put it on a s assist one and pedal to warm yourself up a little bit, you know, get, get a little bit heat going through your whatnot.
00:15:31
Speaker
Or if it's, you know, hot one day, put the assist up high. So you're not, you know, breaking a sweat, the bike's doing the work for you. Cause I mean, that's not the time to get it a workout when you're hunting, you know, obviously you're still getting a workout. You're still doing, your yeah you're still doing something you know, yeah. You want to conserve some energy for, you know, the pack out and there's plenty of, you know, where you're gonna have to bike, bike, park the bike and, you know, hike in areas and, um, check areas or, you know, go retrieve your game and stuff like that. So, um,
00:16:04
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That's what it's for, for sure. Oh, yeah. Assist one, that's for rookies. I'm assist four and I'm cruising like 10 miles per hour up some steep hills, dude. I'm like, I can't believe it. And I i do pedal because if you don't pedal, like, you know, it's not a dirt bike. You need to pedal little bit on the thing. And I have the Baku Mule, which is, when i when I bought the bike, I said I wanted something that can just go really far. I have dual batteries on it. Go really far and carry a lot of weight. That's what I wanted. I i didn't need it. I have dirt bikes. I didn't want that. I wanted to,
00:16:31
Speaker
a workhorse. That's what I got with the Baku mule. It's a heavy duty, something i can just drive. Um, and dude, I'm cruising like uphill, 10, 12 miles per hour up some steep hills.
00:16:43
Speaker
It's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. People are always like how steep will it go? And I said, man, it'll climb about anything you dare come back down on. You know, yeah like make sure you remember you got to come back down that hill and, and not crash.
00:16:57
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Maybe, you know, you know that part of it, right? Coming down. I, I full disclosure, I shot that buck and didn't have a knife, everybody listening. So I decided to try and tie the buck to the back of the bike.
00:17:09
Speaker
The hoof got stuck in the spokes, ripped the rear brake cable on my brand new Baku bike, and I ended up riding out with no rear brake and going over the handlebars. So that was a great time. Good time on the e-bike. Yeah. So you kind of have to watch that for sure. Coming downhill is just as crucial. You know, you go up them, make sure you can come back down them with game or a trailer or stuff like that too. So um yeah, but they do climb.
00:17:37
Speaker
It would have been fine if I didn't lose the rear brake. That was my fault. All right, sweet. So yes, the e-bike was awesome for me. And yes, I did crash on it, but I'm going to continue to use the snot out of it. It was not a vacuum problem. It was a stupid true problem for breaking my bike. Oh, trust me, went over my handlebars plenty of times too, so... Trying to put a 250 pound mule deer on the back of a bike with ungutted with a paracord and no knife. It just didn't work out. That was my fault. So anyways, I need to get a backhoe trailer, which you guys make. I'm going to that. So was there a specific hunt or moment when you realized I need e-bike for this?
00:18:16
Speaker
Like, this is like, what where was that moment? That aha moment? Yeah, I mean, I think in 2016, I had been hunting Idaho for quite a few years before that. And they just had logged this area and we were walking the roads. And i'm like, and and we're going, you know, same thing back and forth, walking one in, calling, coming back the other way. We didn't want to ride. It was a, you know, we could ride at ATVs or something, but we knew they wouldn't talk.
00:18:41
Speaker
Yeah. with that type of noise. And so i thought next year for sure, I'm bringing a bike back up here. And like that, but you know, shortly after that hunt in October, some, um, it, I, you know, caught some add on some for an electric bike.
00:19:01
Speaker
And I'm like, that's what I need is that. And so that's what kind of sparked the basically thought of trying to buy it for myself. And when I realized there's nothing out there right now that's heavy duty enough for Western hunting, lot of these were just really cheap hub bikes from back East and um things just for flatland type uses. And so, yeah, i just kind of set out to really create a bike for myself, my own hunting, me and Brian. And and so how we hunt in And, gri you know, just thought, well, we'll sell a few, pay for some hunting and enjoy hunting with it. And the next thing you know, we're, you know, just kind of took off on us and created a good product. And, and we just love what we're doing. So passion behind it is there.
00:19:49
Speaker
So this is what i love about stories like this, right? Is the American dream. Because up until this point, I mean, obviously you grew up as a master bike builder, right? And with an electronics degree and you you just, you knew how to make an e-bike, right? yeah Oh yeah, exactly. No, I had no idea.
00:20:04
Speaker
No idea what you were doing? Yeah, exactly. That's the best of the American dream. Exactly. Yeah. Not a clue. I mean, you know, I bike, at mountain bike and bike and stuff, but I had an excavating company. That's what I did for 20 years.
00:20:17
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Brian is a neurophysiologist doctor and we're brother-in-laws and we hunted, hunt together a lot. And, um, you know, we just found a need and thought let's, let's, um,
00:20:29
Speaker
create product that can help hunters and ourselves get in and out of areas quicker, quieter, a lot more respectful for other hunters when you're out on the trails than, you know, taking in side by sides or making noise.
00:20:46
Speaker
And, you know, it's just a win-win for, I think for everybody, you can get further, you can kind of separate yourselves from other people. um You're not disturbing the wildlife. A lot of the times they don't even it get disturbed by the bikes you know like they kind of don't know what it is coming by they probably see mountain bikers coming by here and there and and so you know you're not you're not disturbing it it's such a um you know good thing for the wildlife yeah gotta stop wearing camo you gotta get some of that granola ah rei clothes and they'll just they just trick them right and then you just get off and shoot them that's how we hunt wasatch front yeah
00:21:25
Speaker
So, dude, so when I first started Tracer, like my early prototypes and my early tripods, would say all the time, like, they just weren't good. Like they just weren't, look back now and I'm like, oh, what was I thinking? Like, what was I thinking? But at the time it was all I knew, right? It just evolved. Right. So like, what did that, what are those early prototypes look like?
00:21:45
Speaker
And like, what was the biggest failures that helped you really shape? Because like the failures what make them, right? Like you have to fail, you have to break, you have to be like, and lot of times you get the bike here and you're like, why didn't I think of that? Like, and then you have to read it again, you know?
00:21:57
Speaker
Yeah. Well, like, I mean, I think the biggest thing, the first time we we ordered 30 bikes, you know, we thought, okay, let's get it. Let's build 30 bikes. We supplied bikes. you know, we're crunching numbers and and suppliers with things. And um we realize if we're not very distinct in, and yeah, obviously the bikes that we started with our flagship mule, we had a hub motor one and some different things. And some of the first prototypes, like literally we want to leave them on the mountain, just kick them off the hill because they just were not doing what we needed to do.
00:22:30
Speaker
And so um learning from that kind of trying to get um a bike that's, um very durable so like sometimes the cheaper components on the bikes are built more durable because they're steel and metal and stronger than some of the high expensive carbon you know during those ones where you bump them and they break but they're made for being super light um i think our first thing is our batteries like when we had those 30 bikes you know the batteries they used to they saved like
00:23:04
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five cents for the BMS board to save some money. I'm like, and pretty much 20 of them, we had a warranty cause the BMS went bad in them.
00:23:15
Speaker
And there we're, you know, the batteries three, 400 bucks at the time. We're, you know, starting to cut, going, man, that's a big hit, but we got to replace these. Um, the,
00:23:29
Speaker
I mean, just learning everything as we went, you know, like just shipping, um, you know, me and Brian would go in and we'd ship everything on Fridays at our little, you know, little warehouse we had. And, um, just, yeah, I mean, it was, like you say, the technology at the time were trying to use the best, but it wasn't the best for what application. So we just kept trying to improve, improve and, um,
00:23:58
Speaker
get better as we go. Yeah. And the more you get into it, right? Like I'm launching one the time this this podcast comes out, you guys start seeing the new AD and BC tripod. It's the best tripod in the world. I think Dave might see my prototypes back in Africa or maybe he probably saw drawings. didn't even have the prototypes in Africa. It's my drawings of it. And, um,
00:24:19
Speaker
But it's it's an evolution, right? People don't understand that a business. And like what separates a great business, Dave, and you can probably agree this from like some mediocre business, is taking failures, learning from it, and growing from it.
00:24:31
Speaker
Exactly. I love failures, right? like like Am I the first to say that we have no nothing breaking? No, things break. We sell thousands of products a month. we have like a 1% return rate, right? So something's going to break. You buy a truck from me, one out of 100, something's going to go wrong. And we're going to fix it. We're going to break it. And a lot of times it's just someone being a dummy you know and they ran it over, whatever.
00:24:51
Speaker
I switch is fine. We should replace it still. but we But by doing it for five years now, like we're able to have a list and like we're fine-tuning everything. yeah So like those carbon fiber parts, you're you're not having them anymore. Now it's your replaced with this. And it's like wherever the wherever the headaches are, you're pulling them out and just making this mountain machine.
00:25:09
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. the The quicker and the best, the more failures you can have, the better you get if you're learning from them, right? Like you have to, if you don't have problems, you don't know how you can be better, really. Yeah. um and that's where you make That's what makes companies and and listen to feedback from customers trying to improve. Yeah, we our bikes now are crazy different from our first ones. i mean, from the hubs, the bearings, chains, you know, integrated GPSs and tracking devices and, um you know, try to build anti-flat systems and batteries that are so much better with better cells, better BMS boards, you know, much more durable frames, tires, shocks.
00:25:52
Speaker
handlebars, geometry, even geometry of how to ride with a backpack on versus, you know, ah not a backpack. I mean, it's just a different stance of the bike and how the, how the geometry of it is.
00:26:07
Speaker
Yeah. It's epic. And in like, I can see when I get on that bike, it is like, I can't even tell my backpacks on me. Like i didn't even realize that until now talking about it. Like in like, not only that, like the step through frame, like, dude, like if I had to have a step through frame with a backpack on nightmare, right?
00:26:22
Speaker
Right. Like it's like, there's certain things on there that I'm just like, Oh wow. I see it. I even was talking to right now. conversation. Like even like the rake of the front, like it kind of holds me back a little bit. Like that makes sense. Right. Like if there's a guy who's going to break that bike, yeah, like I'm going to break it. Like i've already broken the first week. I found a way to break it. Like, like you guys ah have have gone through and done so much to make these things epic. And that's, that's awesome.
00:26:44
Speaker
Like it's like, and we're trying to even now create like guards and everything just to kind of, guard all those cables and derailers and everything just so you know you're going through sagebrush you're going off road that um you don't bust things up and get stranded back in the woods you know yeah or even loading it on the freaking hitch like they have that guard there and it slides on the guard i didn't even think about that till now but that makes sense like yeah skid plate yeah like i mean yeah that's that's awesome man i'm all that that's that's really cool to hear um
00:27:18
Speaker
What separates, so like you guys aren't, you guys aren't hiding it, right? Like ah my tripods are expensive, right? You can go buy a $100 tripod on Amazon. Like what separates your $5,000 bike from the $2,000 Amazon bike I can go buy?
00:27:35
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah, no, I mean, exactly. We are not cheap. Um, we, we invest in good battery cells. Good. I mean, like to say, every little thing through there is made to handle off-road yeah abuse, you know, um, the motors, the tires, the frame, the bearings in the wheels, the controllers, the display, ah everything is, is built for off-road use. Like it's not, you know, we're not, jim you know, it's,
00:28:08
Speaker
just like buying a car, right? You can buy ah a good little commuter car for a decent price, or you can buy a, you know, a Duramax Chevy truck. That's going to cost you quite a bit more, but it's going to be, it can do the job much better than a commuter car.
00:28:21
Speaker
um And that's kind of what our mule is, is, is that Chevy Duramax or, you know, that diesel engine truck to get you out there. Plus, you know, a lot of times like the bike is kind of chemistry made up of a bunch of different parts, right? Like, you know, we run Tektro brakes and Shimano parts and the buffeting motor and Panasonic batteries, but we're the chemists of make kind combining all that.
00:28:46
Speaker
And then we're the brand, we're the company that's going to stand behind that product and support you when you have issues or if there's problems, um,
00:28:57
Speaker
and Like you say, yeah our our warranty is like 0.8% right now. It's crazy how our warranty is so low. um And it's just the way the bikes are made and and the way we support the customers and test and trial everything. um You know, we're here for the long haul to support people on these things.
00:29:20
Speaker
I actually know that my local bike shops won't even work on some of these Amazon bikes because they're just made with like these Chinese parts that don't, or it's like knockoff brands, not like a buffeting motor, right? Like everyone knows that motor, right? That's the motor, I was in construction industry. Like you're using the best of the best Shimano, right? Like you go and buy and this isn't a backhoe commercial, but it kind of is. You go buy a bike on Amazon, they're using some random break. You break your break. They're not going to fix it.
00:29:47
Speaker
Like I was talking to Dave, Dave's like, dude, bring it to your bike shop. They'll fix for you right now. And I'm like, oh, no And he's like, yeah, we use Shimano brakes. The same bike brake that's on those. When I think about it, I'm like, that's the same brake that's on my $7,000 downhill mountain bike is Shimano brakes. Like, was like, that makes sense.
00:30:01
Speaker
Yeah. And if you, you know, all of them are compatible too. Say if you wanted to throw a bigger cassette, different components set on there, you know, everything is, is all compatible. you know, you can, you can modify it. You can change things, do a different cassette, different gearing in it.
00:30:16
Speaker
You can run a different component set if you're wanting to, you know, we tried to find that balance of like durability of the derailleur and the cassette in the component sets without, you know, spinning, you know, you break that derailleur off, you might be, um, 60 bucks, right? You could, you could get a higher end one that's 300 bucks, but if you break that on a rock, which is,
00:30:41
Speaker
pretty common in, you know, sagebrush or something like that, then you're spending $300 for another derailleur. And it doesn't take much to break those. um You know, the biggest brakes, 203 rotors, quad piston, you know, high grade pads in those brakes.
00:30:58
Speaker
um I mean, it's, there's little things like that that, that make a difference in a bike. Oh, I mean, I'm coming out the other day with just my pack and I think I'm 270 pounds. I'm coming down some steep hills and it's stopping.
00:31:11
Speaker
it's It's pretty epic. And I'm, you know, I'm going fast. Um, yeah. And some of them cheap bikes, you're talking to 60, like, um, you know, little teeny rotors versus big rotors, quad piston brakes, aren't going to fell on you.
00:31:24
Speaker
You know, you dual pistons that just, you know, they're going to burn up and they could just, you know, heat up and fell on you. And then you're coming down that hill with no brakes. Yeah. you know I just did that um on accident. yeah It was not fun. I can tell you, everyone listening, can tell you with no brakes, it's no fun coming down steep hills. You know, one thing that I thought was epic too, I didn't realize the first couple times rode it was you have a suspension seat.
00:31:46
Speaker
And I was like, dude, that's so nice. Like god i was kind of worried because like, i mean, I ride dirt bikes. I ride fast. I love going over whoops. You know what I mean? you have You have full travel, right? Well, you have the front suspension on the back on the mule. And you you guys do make a full suspension bike. I'm not saying that, but like for for me, it's not what I wanted. I didn't want to go fast downhill. I wanted to go. Yeah, the hard tail is kind of the workhorse, right? You can pack up that frame.
00:32:08
Speaker
You can put more weight on there. but you don't get that full rear suspension. But with the mule, that suspension seat post makes a big difference. It's pretty nice, dude. Like, honestly, i might want to the only thing I might change the bike is I'm not gonna change a gearing or anything. I don't know screwing it up. Is, uh, I might just buy like a big padded seat for it. I think you guys saw it. I might buy one those big seats from like a big saddle. Cause like, I'd be kind of nice to big saddle seat to sit on, just make this thing like a Cadillac, you know? Cause with the suspension, like,
00:32:33
Speaker
these are rough roads I was riding on like big, you know, big washes, rocks. And it's like, I was like, if this isn't that bad. I was kind of worried about that. And it wasn't, it wasn't like bad at all, you know, and if I went slower, it'd probably been better, but I have a problem with going wanting to go faster. Yeah. where i got like No, we got an over high size seat. and It makes a difference, but there's kind of that, you know, if you're hunting on a lot, with the fat seat. Yeah. I love it too.
00:32:56
Speaker
But then if you're riding a lot, sometimes those big seats kind of get in the way of having to pedal and ride and stuff like that. But yeah, they make, they are more comfortable. So what hunting specific challenges forced the most innovation um for you guys, like steep terrain, payload, noise, or ability, what was like, like what really kind of drove, like what hunting specific things drove you to build the Bakus?
Baku Bikes' Design Influences from Hunting Challenges
00:33:22
Speaker
I think just accessing areas quietly and remotely, you know, getting in further than half, you know, walk in, where they're, you know, a motorized trail or non-motorized with class one where can mountain bike and being able to get in and get out quicker. Like a lot of the times on the Wasatch front, that we have an extended archery hunt kind of like, but to get up high on, you know, say if you work, get off work,
00:33:53
Speaker
you You could get up to the top of the Wasatch Mountain in 20 minutes on an e-bike, which you're talking two or three hours hike to get up high. and And then hike from there. And then hike. That's the ability. You could ride your bike and and then hike from there. That's like that's what makes it epic. like You could do yeah so deep, dude. it's It's like a game changer. I've got so many ideas I've had for this bike. I'm into it. And then back then when you're out, you're you're down in 20 minutes and you're back home. I mean, it's like no-brainer. So it's like it makes hunting – It's so much more versatile and quick for like evening hunts, morning hunts. um
00:34:29
Speaker
You're not packing around at ATV and making noise and, you know, traditional bikes. You know, you try to ride up the Wasatch Front one of those with your hunting gear and you're going to be dead. There's no way you could do it, you know.
00:34:41
Speaker
what i'm good What I'm stoked for is like I do a lot of predator hunting. I love predator hunting. ah I can't wait to take this thing to Arizona and be able to e-bike around on predator hunt. like I told you guys, i want to bring you guys down and do like a film with you guys to predator hunt, like e-bike. cause I think e-bikes are the best kept secret for predator hunting because you can be so quiet. When you predator hunt, you're pretty much moving, you know,
00:35:01
Speaker
Half mile to a mile in between sets. You can just go out in some of these roaded areas like in Arizona and just slay the coyotes. Oh, yeah. Like I just felt like this last two days. I shot three because I'd be right around and I'd have my gun and there's one out in the field that just looks at me like, where did you come from? I'd be, you know, put it down. Yeah.
00:35:22
Speaker
Oh yeah yeah. It's like, I can't, I can't wait to go do some projects. I'm going to, I'm going to put a hunt together with you guys. I want to do some stuff with Baku cause I just really appreciate you guys. And, um, absolutely. Yeah. Let's do it. Uh, where, where did you guys overbuild these things on purpose? Like where are you guys overbuilding them on these bikes to keep them, make them durable?
00:35:41
Speaker
First, the motor making sure we're using like, you know, there's, there's, um, the traditional bikes they have, you know, motors, but buffeting the way that they make them. We're the ones, the the g six ten and the now coming out.
00:35:56
Speaker
are some of the most heavy duty diesel motors of the mid drive, right? um First, we're working there. Second, the frame, right? A lot of our double weld frame, 60, 61 alloy or 62 aluminum frames, um a lot of double welds um areas that that, you know, because the thing with e-bikes versus traditional is traditional bikes try they spend a lot of time and a lot of energy and and cost to make the bike as light as possible you know it's because you're the motor with the e-bike now they're going the other way they're trying to make them they're not trying to make them heavy but they're
00:36:36
Speaker
trying to keep up with the power of the motor, right? So the chain's got to be stronger. You know, you're talking high tensile steel chains, better cassettes, frames for, so the motor's not twisting the frame.
00:36:50
Speaker
Um, and then, and then we're hunters, we're blowing our packs up, we're putting deer on our racks, we're pulling elk out, we're, we're coming down through Rocky stuff. Um, and so the frames got to, got to hold up to this stuff, you know, and, and,
00:37:07
Speaker
I mean, we have guys still riding bikes from day one, from 2017, some of the bikes and they're still loving them and riding them. And we're, and those are the first ones we were making. Now they're even better. You know, just like you say, the new step through, like, um, there's that step through thinks it's a lady's bike, but I'm like, man, if,
00:37:29
Speaker
It's not, it's like, it's the most versatile bike on and off It's so nice. Like I never realized how nice it was until I got it. And I'm like, dude, I don't care. Throw me some tampons. I don't give a damn. yeah It's just so nice with the backpack on. Like, especially when you're on like hills, you're in steep hills and you're trying to get on the bike and like you're, you're going to fall over. But like with a step through, I can just step through it and get on the bike.
00:37:51
Speaker
uh so yeah just imagine i guess imagine a lady's frame but it's it's actually not even lady's frame because it's like it's one tube that just goes down to the motor and then goes up to a bike so just you can step right through it get on the bike it's just it's so nice too like it's like that right there top bar yeah that right there is just forced the bottom of it yeah yeah uh what is something that hunters like might misunderstand about e-bikes in the field Yeah, no, good question. I think the thing that they're misunderstanding is, you know, and we're trying to, we're super advocates with a lot of, uh, legislation and government and stuff is trying to figure out regulations of how they're going to regulate them for areas that are closed to no electric bikes. Some, you know, some state land, you got federal land, you know, uh,
00:38:39
Speaker
Fish and game areas, wild wildlife management units. So it's really just understanding the areas that you're going and and asking them their laws of e-bikes. And, you know, all of our bikes have our ODP programming. So it's on-demand programming. So you can be in compliance to be either class one, which is, you know, 20, 18 miles an hour, pedal assist only, no throttle. Class two is,
00:39:06
Speaker
Um, same thing, 18 miles an hour, 18 to 20 miles an hour pedal assist with a throttle on class two and then class three is 28 miles an hour, um at a throttle. So, and then class four is, you know, kind of more like the Surrond's Talies, but that's, I call that expert. I call that expert mode. That's what I'm in all the time. Class four. I'm just class four in all the time. Yeah.
00:39:28
Speaker
That's, that's, I'm doing wheel, I'm doing doing wheelies and just going everywhere, you know? Yeah, but just understanding the regulations and helping us. yeah um Yeah, where you're riding, being being ethical to the other riders or hikers on the trails and things like that. you know no i think that's where we need to all come together and make sure that we're not pushing the laws, breaking the laws too much, but then also being ethical on the trails with non-hunters and non-people.
00:39:57
Speaker
with no e-bikes, you know, not throttling past them or flying past them cruise, you know, doing that stuff, but just, you know, maybe slowing down, going by him and, um, things like that is, you know, but there's there, the, the laws are getting e-bike friendly. I'll tell everybody that right now. yeah Everyone's got them now.
00:40:16
Speaker
Yeah. And so they're passing laws to allow like Utah just now, all the wildlife management units um and a lot of state land is ah the class ones allowed. They're actually posting signs, you know, class one e-bikes allowed on this trail, things like that. The feds are about ready to release.
00:40:34
Speaker
They've, they've pretty much passed on federal land. Class one bikes can go anywhere. A bicycle can go. So the bike trails, non-motorized areas. Class one is considered a bicycle.
00:40:45
Speaker
so hopefully that should be all, um, passed and ready to be put in force here soon. And, uh, and then just, you know, everybody just kind of stay tuned, try to get together rallies to make sure we get these laws to be, be friendly for us. So we can access public land.
00:41:05
Speaker
That's ours to access with e-bikes that are, you know, class one or class two. We're not asking for the high powered bikes to go back in areas that we're not supposed to. um But, you know, if it's a, a bike that's just de assisting us more than just having to pedal,
00:41:23
Speaker
there shouldn't be any reason why we should be able to ride these bikes back in there. And nice thing is all the Garola folks are doing the same thing. you know, they're all riding bikes and doing stuff. Like I'm going to be coming out from trails, Dave. I don't know what you're talking about being nice. I'm going to have a six foot wide elk, just taking up the whole trail, just taking people out all the way down that sucker on my e-bike, dude.
00:41:43
Speaker
It's going to be awesome. Yeah, you got do that. Oh, yeah. It's going to honk the horn. Just get out. I'm going to get a little on the front of it and just get out of my way. I'm coming. Yeah, trail bell. I'm coming. Because it just opens up so many opportunities for me, man. Like, I know that...
00:41:58
Speaker
I'm taking shed crazy to Mexico in January and i'm bringing my side by side and I'm filming Luke Duesenberry and one of my customers want to hunt. Well, luke Ben's going and going to bring my Baku and then he's going to borrow. I think Hushin has couple of Bakus as well. So he's going borrow one of Hushin's Bakus and my son's going to go and they're going to film everything on Bakus and use those to get around the ranch.
00:42:20
Speaker
It's just like such an easy way to throw, throw a bike on there, throw a bike on the truck and bring it out there and do it. And like, I've been situations where want bring a side by side. I'm like, going bring my back. Like going to buy another one. Cause like now I've just always have a film with have to just get another back because it's just so much easier than easier than, uh, bringing a side by side. Like I am like, I am an e-bike guy now. And so much the stuff we hunt like in Arizona, San Diego it's almost like roads, right? Cause like, it's like side-by-side trails, like in Arizona, you can get around on. So like, there's no law on like getting around that. You can write tickets quad or side-by-side, whatever. Now you're doing an e-bike and you're, you're going, one thing I noticed with the e-bike is i can really look at my surroundings while I'm riding. And I can really like, I'm not saying i'm not advocating for road hunting, but I mean, come on folks, if buck stands up while I'm running my e-bike, I'm getting off and shooting the buck. Right. yeah And like, you're much more aware when you're going, you know,
00:43:13
Speaker
eight miles per hour, 10 miles per on your e-bike, just cruising, just looking around. It's quiet. You can hear things. You can see things jumping. Like, it's just like, dude, this is like, I don't want, it's not the best Cause guys have been doing forever. I'm just like, just figuring it out in 2025. And I'm like, everyone needs an e-bike. I got to talk about buddies in the buy one. Like everyone needs to go get an e-bike hurry so we can go ride together and go hunting. Um,
00:43:35
Speaker
Yeah, no, Ben, if he needs a one of ours to loan for a thing, let me know. I'll i'll loan him one out. and One thing, too, that we will go up areas is where we'll put our like ah like a bike rack on this side by side, put the bikes on it, take the side by side back to the point and then ride from there.
00:43:52
Speaker
So it makes it a difference. i think about That's a good idea. I even think about that. Yeah, no, Ben, I think Eric has two of them. So he's going to grab one of Eric's and do it. Well, I can tell him the same thing. You got one yours. Cause like, I'm like, you need an e-bike. You're coming with me. Cause we can't all, you just want us to divide and conquer down there. Right. You want to all be together. So like my kid will film you, put a 360 on him, give him a camera and he can go out and film you on your hunt. and You guys take e-bikes everywhere and you just go get all around that ranch down there. It's going to be epic.
00:44:19
Speaker
And you can get more places in a side by side, which is cool. Cause a lot of, yeah, it's yeah and quiet. Yeah. And so quiet, dude. Like it's just, it's yeah. I I'm, I'm more tempted to ride the e-bike now than I am my side by side. I'm just being honest. Like I'm into it.
00:44:35
Speaker
You don't need to go buy a $40,000 side by side, go get a Baku and you know, just go out and just get it done. Um, So what's like, give me like an example of a hardcore high ticket thing on. Like what's like the worst thing you put a Baku through?
Enhancing Hunting with Baku Bikes
00:44:49
Speaker
What's a moment like this thing shouldn't have survived that, but it did. Like what's your favorite high down in Baku and how did it change the experience? Like give me like one of these like Baku things. Yeah. ah Man. I mean, I don't know how many times people load their bike wrong and it falls off their rack on the highway, different things like that. And
00:45:06
Speaker
you know, they'll bring it in. we just have to fix a few things and and they're fine. You know, they, they can, they can take a beating at them. Um, I think, i mean, geez, I've had numerous successful hunts because of the bike. Like, honestly, it wouldn't have happened without the bike. Um, I was down in Texas a few years back and we were having a hard time getting on the odd ads.
00:45:30
Speaker
And i said, ought to just, why don't I get on a bike and and I'll get around? Why can't I just take it down there? Um, on the bike instead of, and y'all get up in there. Like, if you think you can, and sure enough, rode down there and there he was two, two in the afternoon, trying to hit the speeder that they said, this one comes in and just tries to smash up the speeder, but we can never get him because he splits out of there so fast.
00:45:59
Speaker
And, uh, shot him, shot him, got him, came back. And they're like, what the heck, man? Um, and then the, even this year up elk hunting, Montana, we were having a hard time getting up talking a little bit in the evenings.
00:46:16
Speaker
And i said, well, so in the evenings we were kind of sitting in some, uh, some blinds kind of by some areas where they're coming down and Bo, he said, well, I'll go over here. I'm going to, I'll ride my bike up and I'll, I'll see if I get some calling over on this other Ridge and probably,
00:46:35
Speaker
not even more than 20 minutes sitting in the blind. He texts me, says, get over here. You know, I got a bull bugle and i'm I'm kind of, I'm hungered down. And if we didn't have the bikes to get to him that quick and quiet, not, you know, mean, he was probably, probably took us 30 minutes to get over to him and get up the road without that bull knowing, cause he was still trying to come in and and work him that,
00:46:59
Speaker
I wouldn't have, you know, so we rode up, dropped the bikes, went in about 40 yards to, to bow where he was set up, moved down a little bit. And and within five minutes, he kept calling, then he finished calling it bring that bull in, kill that bull this year.
00:47:13
Speaker
um I mean, I've had so many people tell me definitely about whitetail hunting where they'll be in their tree stand on one side and the wind kind of shifting funny and they'll see their target buck across the other field working down and they might have another stand in the other corner.
00:47:32
Speaker
But without a bike, there's no way for them to try get over to that. But they'll jump down, get on their bike, cruise around, get up in that stand before that buck can even keep moving. And they'll shoot that buck. like And they'll send me an email saying, I would have never been able to get my trophy buck without my bike getting back over to that other stand in five minutes and get up in there.
00:47:51
Speaker
Next thing know, he comes by. no yeah I mean, tons of stories like that. I would i would argue, and you could correct me if I'm wrong, that the bike is quieter than walking.
00:48:03
Speaker
Like, it's like, it's because you're, it's just this fluid motion getting over there. And like, you think about walking, you kind of, your backpack's moving around. Like, you kind of hear everything kind of going. You're kind of co clopping a little bit even though you're trying not to. The bike is just like a, it's a silent assassin, dude.
00:48:19
Speaker
Well, your sense traveling a little bit more when you're walking and hiking, you know, you're yeah getting a little more time of the wind, let your scent blow around. ah Yeah. And, you know, like you say, you're making a little more noise, ah but with the bike, you're kind of moving a little bit quicker. So the sense not carrying anything and you can ride up on things quicker than they realize you were on them and, you know, see,
00:48:46
Speaker
see the animals before they bolt off and you're like, yeah there they are. a lot of times they hear you hiking, walking, and they're already gone before you get up to them. You never seen them. They could have been right there. You know, dude, that's what we're going call. We're going to call it the silent assassins, a tricer back to predator film.
00:49:05
Speaker
Yeah. and we're caught Silent assassins. say That's, that's pretty hardcore there. That's a tough name. I like that a lot. The silent assassins. Um,
00:49:16
Speaker
Man, I think it's pretty freaking good, honestly. Yeah, you got pretty camber. If you don't want buy an e-bike after listening to this podcast, you're missing out. You could find ways to make it work anywhere you are in this country.
00:49:30
Speaker
um I'm in so like southern United States, right Arizona, New Mexico, California. like southern Utah is kind of like my stomping grounds for hunting. and like It's going to be in my truck everywhere I go.
00:49:42
Speaker
I'm all about it. Go to bakubikes.com, B-A-K-C-O-U. Go to Backu Bikes on... go to backfa backup bikes on um Instagram, Facebook, et
Conclusion and Giveaway Invitation
00:49:54
Speaker
cetera. And also, if you guys are listening to this right now, we have Bigger Than The Hunt coming up in December where we have over $40,000 in prizes. And it is $10 to enter to win one of these prizes. These prize packs should be 20 prize packs. And two of those prizes are actually going to the Baku scooters, which is another thing we didn't even talk about because they have some bitchin' off-road backcountry scooters that you can like...
00:50:20
Speaker
just they're epic yeah i was spot and stock hunting on our on some of the all-wheel drive scooters that's that's what i designed them for because that's how i like you're saying on a bike you you can look around and you can kind of spot and stock a scooter is total spot and stock like the mobility and maneuverability of a scooter you can look around twice ten times more than you are on a bike you don't crash it's nearly as easy on a scooter Yeah. It's a lot lower to the ground when you crash too.
00:50:50
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Step off and different things like that. and yeah they're amazing. Yeah. so yeah So bigger than the hunt giveaway should be going on during when this podcast releases every $10 you put in gets you to get you a chance to win one of the $40,000 in prizes.
00:51:07
Speaker
And every single penny is going to go to help children in foster care and in need. um Not a penny goes to us. We have, i think 30 plus brands now coming together to support children because it is bigger than the hunt. It's bigger than, you know, us helping deer or going to Africa, whatever it is.
00:51:25
Speaker
it is about helping kids, which at the end of the day is bigger than our passion, which is hunting. And I love that. I have so many brands coming together to help children in need. So Dave Baku bikes, you guys are my friends, anything you need from Tracer. I'm here for you. I appreciate you guys go buy a Baku bike. They rock. Thanks, Dave. Yeah. Thanks, Drew. Yeah. Same to you, man.
00:51:46
Speaker
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