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A Trail of Ice and Hags - Trowel 12
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In episode 12, like archaeological paladins, Tilly and Ash have been given a divine quest: find the Cailleach of Celtic Myth and…deliver her washing. Oh. On their journey, they discuss the best strategies to locate the ancient hag and ask the tough archaeological question: what even is a landscape?
Links
- Routledge Guide to Landscape Studies (Google books)
- Landscape Archaeology (Chapter in Encyclopedia of Global Archaeology)
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Transcript
00:00:00
Speaker
You're
Introduction to 'And My Trowel'
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listening to the Archaeology Podcast Network. You have my sword. And you have my boat. And my trowel.
00:00:11
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Hi, and you're listening to episode 12 of And My Trowel, where we look at the fantastic side of archaeology and the archaeological side of fantasy.
Meet the Hosts: Ash and Tilly
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I'm Ash. And I'm Tilly.
Who is the Kayok?
00:00:21
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Today, we're going to be looking at a mythical figure, a creature made from the wilds and winds who has control over creation and has no affinity with the weather. She, of course, is the kayok. Kayok.
00:00:38
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You got it, Tilly? I'm definitely going to pronounce that wrong throughout the whole of this episode. I apologize in advance to anyone listening. I also apologize. I don't have a lot of Gallics, so I'm just going off it. This is how you pronounce it. Many people might not have heard of her or know her by name, unless maybe you live in Scotland or Ireland, because she's a big figure in Celtic mythology.
Kayok's Attributes and Folklore
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But you will have heard of her.
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So let me give you a clue. She's a giant ancestors, a mother of mountains. She sculpts landscapes with a giant steps and she drops rocks to form mountains from her wicker basket. She's one eyed, white head, dark blue skin and rust coloured teeth.
00:01:19
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She is the personification of winter, fighting off spring in an eternal battle. She is what her name means. She is a divine hag. A divine hag? So that's kayak is divine. Kayak is old woman actually. Sometimes you can think it's actually like old crone, wise woman. So kind of like a witch? Yeah, kind of. I'm just thinking of
00:01:54
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They call, the wee freemen are like the little, they're called picked seas, not pick seas, but picked seas, which I find hilarious. We might have to do an episode on them. And they call witches hags. Like that's their word for a witch. So I guess that's rather than like, but is it always an old, old woman? Always an old woman. Like for instance, my partner's grandmother will call us off a kayak.
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You knew I was going to bring it in, right, Ash? Oh, God. So here we go.
00:02:17
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Oh, really? She's like, I'm just a coyote. So she'll say that all the time. Or she's like, I'm just a silly coyote. Stuff like that. So she is an older woman. And so she'll refer to herself as an old woman. So if you think about a lot of European folklore traditions, though, hags are usually older women who have affinity with like witchcraft and nature, but they always, always have sovereignty attached to them. They're respected and they're feared.
00:02:44
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But where do hags come from? What does their appearance in our folklore traditions tell us about how people interpret the landscape?
Kayok in Literature
00:02:52
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So Tilly, have you ever read anything that features a kayak or a divine hag? Not necessarily a kayak or a kayak. And to be honest, I hadn't heard of it before you mentioned it as well, when you were saying, oh, we could do an episode on the kayak and I had to do a whole, oh, right, yeah. Remind me again. So you just rolled off your tongue there, you hadn't even noticed it.
00:03:12
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just naturally born with the Scottish tongue. Technically, it was born in Scotland, although even though I have probably no Scottish heritage. So, you know, we'll see. Yeah, so I haven't necessarily read anything, I don't think that features the klech, but as I say, I have read the Terry Pratchett series does have a witches series in it. And they
00:03:31
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There's a lot in that about, you know, if you don't have respect, you don't have none. And the head witch is very much feared by the locals as well, but then also has that respect of it and all this kind of thing. And I think, I'm trying to think of other books I've read which have kind of fantasy elements with the big hat. And there's about, they're pretty much in nearly every kind of fantasy series, I guess. There's always some kind of creepy old lady who sort of is in the background.
00:03:59
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telling things. You know what I mean? In that kind of book, there's a certain kind of fantasy, I think, where that's there and there's always sort of some... But it's almost not necessarily respected in those kind of books, I feel. It's just fear. But fear is also a type of respect in some way, a healthy modicum of fear. Yeah, whereas I feel like, and I know...
00:04:25
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The problem is, there's like 25 books in that series, right? So of course I'm going to find something to get the problem. To be fair though, I mean, Terry Pratchett's Discworld series does have a lot of witches and hags and great hags in them. So, you know, weird sisters, they are technically hags.
00:04:43
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And my favorite part of those ones is that they can do magic and that kind of thing, but they don't a lot of the time. It's just, what's the word they use? Headology, they use, is the word. So it's basically persuading people that they're going to get better, almost like placebo effect, basically. So they give them agros, sucros, or whatever, and it's just like water and sugar. But they take it and they think that it's going to be better. So it's that kind of, because people
00:05:10
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respect them and know that they will make them better. If they give them something, they're going to make them better. And I think there's some scene somewhere where, you know, the person is like, really? Is that everything? And, you know, it's Granny Weatherworks is going, oh, I guess. And you have to lie on a board of oak seasoned over 20 years and, you know, do all this thing to get that he's going, oh, so the knots will go from my back to the woods. And it's like, oh, Granny hadn't thought of that. That was a good one for later.
00:05:36
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But yeah, it's the whole aspect of that mixture of fear and respect. So people don't necessarily like the witches, but they know they're a good thing. So I guess that's similar to the kayak, it's sort of that thing. You wouldn't necessarily be like, oh, what a lovely person, but you know, she's necessary.
00:05:53
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She's very necessary. She creates and sculpts the whole landscape that we live in. She's the whole point of winter and, you know, life really, she creates it. But
Evolving Perceptions of Witches
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I think that's an interesting thing because we look at divine hags and we look at kayaks and we look at
00:06:12
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Even like Baba Yaga and stuff, you know, these witches, these women, these wise women, and we see them as a negative thing in modern society, but actually they weren't. It was never a negative thing, so we're getting a bit feminist here, but like, you know, of course we are, we're feminists.
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So we see this kind of as a scary thing, a hag as a scary thing. You'll see them kind of characterised, especially in D&D. They're usually creepy old scary women who have green skin and warts and try to tick children.
00:06:44
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make terrible potions and kind of trick you. To be fair, the kayak has blue skin and rough skeleton. I mean, that's also not exactly. It's not. She doesn't have to be attractive. She's a sculptor of mountains, for goodness sake. But like, you know, but that's how I think
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it's changed. And that's because of the heavy influence of the patriarchy as well. So these women were highly respected. Well, they were in modern society as well, Hags, like, you know, they're wise women, they're also midwives, doctors, things like that. Anyone, any woman that has, you know, some kind of power or knowledge, I guess. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
00:07:21
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But they do relate to their landscapes, they always relate to nature, they always relate to the wider world. So, do you have a favourite depiction of a kayak or a divine hag? I mean, it probably is, to be honest, the Terry Pratchett witches. I think that's the closest.
00:07:39
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that I would come, because indeed it is. And like you say, they relate a lot to the landscape, to the land, to an understanding. Even the first book that they're introduced in, Weird Sisters, that it's all about the kingdom is unhappy with the current king. It's sort of a play on Hamlet. And yeah, so it's talking about the landscape and how the animals react, but also the trees and the mountains and everything. And they sort of talk about how
00:08:01
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all the different growing stages of the different aspects of the landscape and everything and how that's related, which I think is really interesting, you know, to actually go into that detail of that kind of thing. I'm trying to think if there was a, is there like a witch in, a female witch in Lord of the Rings?
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I don't think there is, right? I'm trying to think. I haven't read the Silmarillion and stuff, so I don't know if there is any in the kind of bi stories, so to speak. But I'm trying to think and I feel like in that one, because that would be one where it's always a male figure kind of being the
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the wise and character. Winter, wise, landscape. That's very interesting. Which is interesting. Well, in Lord of the Rings, it seems like the Istari, the kind of wizards who include Gandalf and Saruman, Radagast and the blue wizards, they're all men.
00:09:00
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they don't see because they have the bodies of men, men being colloquial for humans. But he did use that word and then referred to it, you know, as men. But it seems that generally, it seems like Tolkien's conceived all the kind of magical beings as male, in that sense. So any kind of
00:09:21
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sovereignty figure that we have a wise and older person, they're all men in Tolkien. Which is interesting, right? Because like you say, in folklore, there's a lot about women, like wizards aren't really a thing in folklore, are they?
00:09:38
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You get, not really. I mean, there's definitely magical users who are men. I mean, it doesn't really have an agenda to it. Well, I'm not thinking of Scottish mythology and Irish mythology. You do have magical users, but you also have magical users who are tricksters and sometimes they're usually men. They're kind of these like immortal masculine spirits and stuff that you get.
Gender Roles in Folklore Magic
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And I think maybe he's kind of
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gone into that a little bit more. But a lot of the kind of folklore mythology that Tolkien uses is interesting because, yeah, they're not really... I always think actually, well, I always think of the blue men and blue wizards and we have blue men in Scotland, but they're usually associated with the sea. So it's just interesting that you look at these different kinds of
00:10:28
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magic identities. And then yeah, Tolkien's kind of gone a totally different way from it. But that also reflects the time that he's writing in. Because he is writing about wars as well, that his whole thing is about World War I, isn't it? And his experiences and stuff. So it will be a very male dominated, frontline kind of narrative that doesn't mess. But also there's only like two women.
00:10:53
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Right? Have you seen that? There's some video about like, oh, I can't remember what it is. It's like, here's a video of all the times that a woman speaks to another woman in the Lord of the Rings films, and you've got like a two second clip where that little girl goes, where's Mama? And goes, shh. And that's it.
00:11:17
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Yeah, definitely. And there's the outside stories as well, where he talks, you know, it's about him and his wife and their love and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, it's not really so difficult.
00:11:31
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It's interesting indeed how the different and actually that's referenced a bit in the Terry Pratchett one too because you also have wizards in this world and witches and there's a lot of like the witches think that wizards just pompous old fools in their university who don't actually know how the world works and you know all this kind of stuff whereas the wizards think that the witches are just you know common hags who you know can't deal with the bigger magics and only deal with sort of hedge witch you know magic so
00:11:56
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And I guess there is, right? There's that sort of association in modern fantasy of that, like a woman, like a Kalach, but you say she moves mountains and things. I mean, that's powerful magic to me. But I guess you still have in a lot of modern fantasy books, it's more the witch is more kind of, she'd be a sorceress if she's really powerful, but just sort of the old hag, the old lady witch has a bit of a different connotation, I would say.
00:12:24
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Yeah, and you've got to remember with the kayak, she is winter, she is the landscape, she is the creator of things. So she does create mountains and she literally will use the landscape as stepping stones and as she moves the landscape, she creates it with her feet.
00:12:42
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She also calls in winter because she has certain things that she'll do, certain rituals. So she'll collect firewood and if an extra day she's still collecting firewood on a certain day in spring, you know that winter's like still going. Or vice versa, you know. She also has stuff where, you know, she's got this big plaid cloth and you must wash it. She must wash it and it takes three days to wash. And only then will she call in winter.
00:13:10
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once it's nice and white and pristine. So the stuff like that, it's very much rooted in folklore, it's rooted in people's traditions and people will have their moving around the landscape and how they're interpreting that landscape through a divine being.
00:13:25
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So, Tilly, that brings us to our quest today. Excited. So, I woke up this morning, foul mood, obviously, feeling extremely cold. I could see my breath crystallising on the air, I was shivering in my duvet, and I dragged myself out of bed, opened my kittens, and saw that there was a thick layer of frost outside everywhere, covering the back garden.
00:13:50
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I'm going to look closely. There was actually a herd of deer staring back at me from the recesses of the gloomy trees. But in the centre of the frost lay a great dark plaid wad of fabric.
00:14:03
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No, I'd heard stories like this before, I've just told you the story, and I feel like the kayak had clearly visited me in the dead of night, and she gave us a task to complete, okay? So I chucked on some boots, I went outside, grabbed the great old dirty plaids, and on top there was a note that said, Bearer left her plaid at home, it needs to be washed, take it to the cauldron so she can usher in winter again, signed botok.
00:14:30
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But hang on, I mean, it is nearly spring, isn't it?
00:14:35
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Oh, yeah, that's a good point. But honestly, my toes were freezing and I'm really not sure. I want to invite the wrath of the kayak on our heads. So I think we have a mission. We have to traipse across the landscape, find this cauldron, deliver the winter plaid to the kayak. But first, as archaeologists, we need to find out and figure out where in the world she might be.
What is Landscape Archaeology?
00:14:57
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But before we go into more detail on that, let me just re-consult my maroon stones and we'll be back with you soon.
00:15:06
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Welcome back! So, I looked at the runes and it seems to me, and to Tilly, that the most interesting way we could approach finding the kayak is through landscape archaeology. Specifically, we can look at both the natural and cultural environment to help us in our search. But what is landscape archaeology?
00:15:24
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Well, I'm glad you asked. Landscape archaeology is a multidisciplinary approach to archaeological theory, so it looks at the way people in the past constructed and used their environment around them, such as a site's relationship between material culture, human activity, land and cultural modifications to the site, and the natural environment around it too.
00:15:48
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Yeah. Landscape archaeologists, they look at these choices people make about how and where to live and what types of settlements or buildings they build and what types of food they can grow and eat. So we'd be looking at two things that impact each other. The natural environment, topography and climate and soils, while also looking at the cultural world created by humans such as place names, customs, traditions that are central to these landscapes.
00:16:16
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So to make it simple, we're looking for areas of natural and cultural landscape importance that the kayak has had an impact on, and so we follow that trail. But hang on, okay, so this might sound a little bit silly, but like when you say landscape, so you mentioned like names and stuff, but I mean isn't landscape just kind of mountains and trees and things?
00:16:39
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I see. Okay, I got ahead of myself there. Okay. Yeah, you're correct. So all these things include the landscape, definitely. But also the place, it's the place, right, where we as humans choose to inhabit. So where you are right now, listening to us listeners, that is part of your landscape. It has meaning because you are there. The landscape archaeologists begin every investigation with the principle that the landscape was and is meaningful.
00:17:07
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So, you have chosen to be there, to build and live there, because of the conjunction between nature and culture. That is our landscape. So, do you mean, like, the particular region? So, like, my street, or would it be, like, my house or my room? Like, how big or how small is it?
Meaning of Landscapes
00:17:25
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It's really a spatial kind of thing. So yeah, all of that. So you'd look at the larger landscape, which is the place you are in. So like the county you're in, why you're there, then you kind of narrow it down and we look at the most spatial aspect of stuff. So why are you in this, these four walls right now? What activities are you doing within these four walls? And you can kind of trace people's steps and how they go about their life through landscape archaeology.
00:17:53
Speaker
And like, because, so for example, at the moment, I'm living in a house that my husband's grandparents built. Like, so there's, is the landscape, is it also time dependent? Like would my definition of landscape, this is getting very deep, be different to their definition of landscape or is it only the physical thing? Like how, how, how linked is it to the people or to the place, if that makes sense?
00:18:22
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It's intertwined. Landscape changes and that's because society changes, the meaning changes, but it's still meaningful. So why you choose to live in your landscape is maybe not the same reason why Michael's grandparents or why the Neolithic people chose to live there, but they are still both interconnected because you still inhabit that space.
Human and Environment Interaction
00:18:49
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And does that like, sorry, I keep asking questions. I'm genuinely interested in this because I haven't really, I did like one module on landscape archeology when I was in my undergrad, but it's not really something that I've gone into in a lot of detail and I know that you have more experience in this. I'm taking the opportunity to get to it. I don't think I have much more experience. Oh, you did landscape stuff. But it's sort of that, because I guess it's that idea of, because you mentioned sort of Neolithic and the landscape, but is it still
00:19:17
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Basically, for example, the Kalach, would someone who lives in that region and understands the landscape but has no real understanding of the history or the folklore, how would their interpretation be more or less appropriate, I guess, is the word I'm using? Then, for example, someone who doesn't really know the landscape but knows a lot about the folklore and the stories about the Kalach and that side of it. How much of it is
00:19:44
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is based in the actual physical part. Do you know what I'm trying to say? I suppose, I mean, both are interesting concepts, but if you're living in the physical landscape, you understand it more than when you don't. Because you know the paths, you know the way the nature works around you, you know what animals and what plants and flora and fauna grow, but that means you're interacting with it on a different level than someone who doesn't live in the landscape.
00:20:11
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So it's kind of similar to, you know, you talk about community building and archaeologists go into different communities, we need to have an understanding of that community and we need the community on our side because they're important, because they live in that landscape. So that's part of landscape archaeology. For someone who knows about the area and, you know,
00:20:30
Speaker
Has it never been? The best thing to do is to do walkovers. So if you're trying to find a site, you know it's sort of in this area. You're not too sure what you can find. You know there was activity though because someone maybe sometime found something like a hammer or something in the landscape.
00:20:48
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Then what you do is you do like a walk over Serbia and you tag any sort of site that you think might be of importance. And that could just literally be a lump in the ground and you think, it looks like a stone. But why is it there? There was a line of stones that looks like a little bit of a dwelling or something kind. So you put a tag in it and then we'd come back and start looking at it and plot these things. And that's how you can start to understand the landscape and how people moved around it. Does that answer your question? It does. It does. Yeah, yeah. Cool.
00:21:15
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So I guess in terms of the Karlache would have to be, we'd need to know about the stories about her, because you mentioned the one thing I could remember from what you mentioned earlier was that she dropped stones to make mountains. So I guess following a mountain range would be a good way to start? Or am I thinking too literally now? No, you are. That's exactly what it is. So place names, right? So place names mean that people associate those areas with
00:21:41
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her, okay? Or
Kayok and Scottish Folklore
00:21:43
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with something. So for example, in Scotland, the kayak is often found in Argyll and Butte. Why? She must like it a lot. I don't know. So you look at Ben Crook in the tallest mountain in the region. She is there, right? She also created lock or according to the folklore. So, you know, she was before anything survived, she was tending sheep, she loves sheep, she loves animals, and she fell asleep.
00:22:10
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And then the well that was in the landscape overflowed and created the first river and loch. It's because she fell asleep. She was just doing her thing. She was walking around in the landscape, creating it accidentally. And yeah, and that's how stuff happens. And that's how things are made. Ben Nevis heard from someone on the trail is her mountain throne.
00:22:37
Speaker
And on Isle of Sky, Ben Nachayach, that's the hill of the old woman. That's near the Kulin. So she inhabits those areas. She likes to go around those areas. These are her haunts. So when we're walking around, what we can do is we can go and knock on people's doors and ask them, where's the kayach been? What's that mountain called? Ben Nachayach. I think we're close. And some guy will be like, well, actually, yeah, I saw a big foot go past my door this morning. You know?
00:23:07
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She sees in a very Geordie accent instead of a Scottish accent. We've got a bit further south. She's also in Newcastle, did you know that?
00:23:16
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God, she goes up and down the breadth of the country. Well, actually, I was going to ask that. So you mentioned, we've been talking about places in Scotland, but you mentioned she's quite big in Celtic mythology. So is she also in like Ireland and Wales and stuff as well? She's definitely in Ireland. I'm not too sure about Wales actually, but she's definitely in Ireland. There's many archeological sites that are related to her. So wedge tombs, such as Labacalli and Longcrew County Meath, and passage tombs as well, called the Kayaks Mountain. And she tends to inhabit these
00:23:46
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passage tombs, these cairns. So they're often locally known as haunts for her. And so people will go to these areas and still, even to this day, perform certain rituals. There's one in, I believe, Dumfries.
00:24:00
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where she resided with her husband, Botok, which means old man. And basically they used to go in and all of her children would go in and that's where they would live and they'd have a fire. But there's stones on the outside. So in winter they make sure that people, the local landscape makes sure that the stones have been moved to the outside so she can get in. And then in summer they move the stones back inside.
00:24:25
Speaker
So it really is, even if she hasn't done stuff herself, the way other people interact with the landscape is directly representative of whether or not she's there.
Tracking Kayok's Influence
00:24:34
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So we could find these tombs and see if anything has moved and changed around it. So yeah, basically it's almost like a big scavenger hunt.
00:24:52
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following being like, right, here's a big, a big lock, like a big lake, let's see, are there sheep around? Maybe she was sleeping or something. I mean, I know that happened a while ago. But like, oh, you know, that kind of thing. And then chatting to people a lot and asking about their experience at the landscape.
00:25:06
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Yeah, exactly. So yeah, we could, you know, we've already knocked on a few doors, and then we could knock on a few more doors. And then a guy's like, well, actually, weirdly enough, that lock over there wasn't there before. And you're like, all right, we're on the trail now. We're following her through the landscape. But lots of, yeah, place names are really, really important in this. So anything that you find that has the kayak's name attached to it is her dwelling in some way.
00:25:32
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or even not necessarily cut but anything related to old woman, old hag, something along those lines I guess. Exactly, so a lot of the times when you're especially on the Isle of Skye, when hikers are walking around
00:25:47
Speaker
the coolings and stuff, that's actually her place. That's where she goes. This is her landscape and her home, you know, even though she creates the landscape. So we are interacting with folklore and we're also interacting with the landscape kind of archaeological record in that place because people are inhabiting it and they're interacting with the landscape.
00:26:08
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in not necessarily even a domestic way, but in different activities. That's how I think that's the best way to try and track down the kayak. Yeah, definitely. Oh, that's really cool. I like that one.
00:26:22
Speaker
OK, Fab, so I think we've sort of figured out how we're going to do it and we've been walking around, we've been chatting to other people, we've been getting place names and we've been looking at the landscape. So we stumble upon an ancient cairn and it sits before us as we approach the frosted glen crunches under our boots.
00:26:43
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Our noses sting with the cold, emanating from a crumbling dwelling, and even as we approach the unnatural blue flame inside flickers across the lynching and crusted stones. We're scared, okay? Okay, okay. I mean, fear. It's the fear. It's the only dose of fear. Emerging from the electric depths, a woman appears, firewood in hand, her face a deathly blue, and as her lone azure eye stares at us.
00:27:14
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Well, do you have my washing? The kayak says... Got a little bit, got a little bit. Yeah, I'm not very good at skyjaxons. My voice biting into us like hail on your cheek. Oh, good work. Shaking, I hold out the plaid to her. Still dirty plaid. Put something until his mind stirs. Ooh, something in my mind is stirring.
00:27:39
Speaker
I'm Tilly. I'm going to have to ask you to roll an insight check. Oh, okay. It's a 16. Oh, you've passed the insight check. Whoa. Oh goodness. A very slow insight check. Would have been a very short episode otherwise. Yeah. I suddenly have this thought. Hang on, Ash. It's nearly spring, so if you give the color her winter patch, she'll wash it and bring it winter again.
00:28:07
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Oh, the kayak grins caught out. You have passed the old hag's test. Fighting against the call of spring, she thought to wash the winter plaid again until it was white as fresh snow, urging in another winter storm. You have successfully thwarted the kayak's icy plan. She
Kayok's Winter Plan Unveiled
00:28:25
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congratulates you on not being fooled by her or her trickster husband, Botok, and gifts you a piece of her firewood. Oh, I get it now. Yeah, honestly, the insight check didn't help.
00:28:37
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I'm watching because I'm still not going, but wait, why wouldn't she watch this? I'm like, right, got it, now I understand. Oh wait, okay, I get it now. Yeah, you just have like a tingling, spidey sense feeling. Right, yeah, yeah, I'm just, I'm naturally smart, even though I don't realise it myself. You're just intuitive, you just get people. Luckily, someone's written it all down for me, so I get intrigued at all.
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I want to say that once. I'm the narration family. OK, good. Well done. Well done us. Brilliant. Well,
Episode Conclusion and Listener Engagement
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that's about it for this episode of My Trial. I hope you enjoyed this quest. If there's any suggestions that people have for an episode that they've gotten from a fantasy book or have an archaeological concept that they don't understand that we might be able to help through fantasy or something in a book that they want to find out more about from an archaeological viewpoint, do get in contact via email or social media.
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This episode was produced by Chris Webster from his RV traveling the United States, Tristan Boyle in Scotland, DigTech LLC, Cultural Media, and the Archaeology Podcast Network, and was edited by Rachel Rodin. This has been a presentation of the Archaeology Podcast Network. Visit us on the web for show notes and other podcasts at www.archpodnet.com. Contact us at chris at archaeologypodcastnetwork.com.
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All contact info as well as references and further reading for all the points we've discussed today can be found in the show notes.