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474 — Toasted Rivalary
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Ty & Eric tour the LA dining scene and discuss Goop's ghost kitchen, the knuckle sandwich at Lowboy, what's fishy at the working man's Nobu (Newport), and the historic El Cholo. They also discuss how the food pyramid just got flipped, what it means for Subway, and the alluring erotica of Heated Rivalry.
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Transcript
Recording in a Parking Lot
00:00:51
Think Fresh
Good I there. almost didn't for the beautiful chime at beginning there. It's okay. That's okay. We're just excited to in the recording booth. That's Hanging didn't wait for the beautiful chime at the beginning theres okay that's okay we're just so excited to be back in the recording booth Hanging out hanging out at the and we're actually recording from the house right now. Thank you
LA Trip and Eateries
00:01:20
Think Fresh
We're actually at a nondescript location in the middle of our homes. I don't even know what to say. she We're in a fucking random ass parking lot and anyone who looks closely will have just some very suspicions of us. Yeah, definitely. where Every car parked in this parking lot is doing something discreet and illegal. That's right. Including us. That's right. Man, so we didn't record last week. We're back in the booth now. That's on me. I was down in LA all week last week hanging out. Lots to report back on there.
00:01:51
Think Fresh
Some good good eats, good good laughs, um good scenes. How have you been, though? what what a You're Googling a food pyramid right now. I'm just getting ready for the next topic here, Ty. The food pyramid has been updated, but more on that at 11. Okay, we'll come back to that. um Yeah, dude, you were in l LA.
00:02:10
Think Fresh
I'm so jealous because it was probably like 10 degrees warmer down there. Yeah, it was it was a smoke show. Not like last year this time, like more just the heat, not the real fire smoke.
00:02:21
Think Fresh
Yeah, it was a good time. I had like a few good meals, popped around the hood. and I'm always like 10 years behind whatever's trendy in LA. It's like if someone's popping off, I'm going visit it 10 years from now. Dude, you're living in the 2016 bubble right now, just like
Visiting Historic El Cholo
00:02:36
Think Fresh
half my feed. Yeah, exactly. I'm eating what where it's hot and twenty in the 2016, for sure. Wow, 2016. Yeah.
00:02:44
Think Fresh
So does that mean you went to Beverly Hills Juice Club? Where'd you go? Didn't actually hit the Juice Club. um I went to... ah amazing but now kind of downtrodden vegan restaurant that kind of called crossroads kitchen they had they were in the michelin guide for a long time they kind of like really more an institution for veganism and michelin yeah Are you know you're familiar with that guy? am. Yeah, I'm sitting on four Michelins right now. Hell yeah. I could tread on the this whip. Yeah. Where else I go? I went to a place called El Cholo, which is like a 102-year-old Mexican restaurant in central LA. Oh, Chinatown? Yeah, dude. It was crazy in there. They're so into their own history.
00:03:26
Think Fresh
It just like it looks like the interior was made in 1915 and then never, never changed. Whoa. um They have a wall on the side of the restaurant that lists the like term, the the length of service. In terms of conditions. like You may die if you be here. You're implicitly accepting these. Yeah, yeah all of the long standing employees make the wall if you're over 20 years. And there are so many employees. Some people are up to like 50 years. And then you then you sit down, you get served and you're like, damn, no kidding. You've been working here for 50 years. It's just like the oldest Mexican dudes you've ever seen while i'm in the halls of that place. It was like a real treat. And then like the menu, Eric, every single item on the menu had the year it was added to the menu. So it'll be like really leaning into this thing. Yeah, it's whack. Like enchiladas, 1989. Dude, I swear those were invented in 2007. Yeah, dude.
00:04:20
Think Fresh
Some of them, yeah, the timelines don't make sense. Like there's a few like dishes that I'm like, wait,
Cultural Reflections on LA's Mexican Community
00:04:26
Think Fresh
fajitas in 1990? I feel like fajitas, that does actually makes sense. That was a performative year of food exploration.
00:04:33
Think Fresh
So this is insane because I don't know what the Mexican like, or what the people felt about Mexicans in those times. Like, in the 20s or There were some dishes from nineteen thirty s on that menu. It's like you haven't changed the recipe in 90 years. Wow. i also want to know what the clientele was like and in those years. like yeah Did you get some progressive whites in there or was it strictly Latinos? I think, yeah, the
Echo Park's Best Burger?
00:04:58
Think Fresh
Latino community had a little bit of a, this was, ah I think, an epicenter for their culture. And then probably sprawled out from there at one point. Where is this located in Los Angeles? It's on, there's a couple locations now, but the original, which is where I went, was I think on Melrose and kind of in like central LA area. Okay.
00:05:19
Think Fresh
Yeah, I was checking location a little bit, and I noticed you were in the hood, Ty. I had to make sure you were all good. Yeah, you know, I just like to embrace all different forms of culture. You can't spend every night in WeHo. Yeah, I know you're good on every MLK, but I have to make sure you're not getting in too much trouble. Yeah.
00:05:35
Think Fresh
What else I eat at? Oh, dude. Lowboy Burger in Echo Park. note notably note Notable cool guy location five years ago. I don't know about it anymore.
00:05:45
Think Fresh
i love how you're just revisiting these. like but you're not like every year, I feel like. Yeah. and i just keep up with it. I'm just like working my way down the list and I don't go enough for all the places to eat. But dude, okay,
Mystery of Goop Kitchen
00:05:56
Think Fresh
little boy is like bar-ish place, the Echo Park area.
00:06:00
Think Fresh
And I ordered their burger and i was like eating it. This is an impossible patty for mine, but it's just like kind of a very simple burger. Yeah, smashed. Smashed. Yeah. A little smashed, yeah okay yeah. If you're not smashing burgers in the big two six, what are you doing?
00:06:17
Think Fresh
You're trying to tell me this burger has a perfectly maintained shape. Are you kidding me? I can buy that at a grocery store. um Dude, I'm eating this thing. i'm like, You just have that moment you're like, I think this might be the best burger i've ever eaten.
00:06:32
Think Fresh
And I walked away. I was like, yep, hands down, that was the best burger I've ever eaten Wow. Yeah. So it was an impossible patty, you said? Mine was an impossible patty, but there's also a classic meat patty there, of course. And I started asking around to other people that live in the Los Angeles area, and they all agreed. They're like, that burger rocks. Oh. So peer-reviewed. Okay. Okay.
00:06:53
Think Fresh
Hit that up next time you're in town. Okay, I'll have to check it out. I think my favorite burger spot for the record is um Burger She Wrote. Oh, I've heard of that place. Yeah, i don't know if they have a veggie option.
00:07:05
Think Fresh
But yeah, super, super nice little spot. It's like a like there's like two tables inside, but a nice little patio set up on the street. and that's good Yeah, good spot. Good Smashburg.
00:07:16
Think Fresh
Oh, good. You know what? Like I'll just pull the In-N-Out move. When I go to In-N-Out, I just get a grilled cheese, which is the burger without the patty. Oh, OK. Yeah, everything else is in there. So I could get like a smashed grilled cheese. I had a Smashburger today and it was fucking fantastic. I don't know why we didn't call them knuckle sandwiches. I think that's a way better term.
00:07:35
Think Fresh
One knuckle sandwich, please. Where else? um Oh, Goop Kitchen. I ordered a some takeout from Goop. Goop is doing great things. now I even went to a a Goop location and popped in to see what types of like dildos and candles they're selling in these days. What is Paltrow curated? But like their food is pretty solid, like really fresh ingredients.
00:07:59
Think Fresh
So, OK, Goop Kitchen. Is it a grocery store? Like what is or is it just like a takeout sandwich place? I think it's just a takeout place. I got it on DoorDash. I have no idea what the storefront looks like. For all I know, it's a Goop ghost kitchen.
Dining at Nobu Newport Beach
00:08:14
Think Fresh
um Interesting. All I know about Goop is that our beloved Gwyneth runs it, but also didn't they sell her candle that famously smelled like Regina? Yes, that's what it was right. I should have been sniffing around for that. Oh, yeah.
00:08:30
Think Fresh
I can't keep track of everything. You know, I'm in there and I'm looking at their like the the Boy Smells candles and i'm looking at the nothing. You never get it. Boy Smells is never going to come out with a badge candle. That would be against their brand principles.
00:08:44
Think Fresh
They'll come up with someone else. yeah I feel when you write down like places you got to hit up in a city, you have to write like a sub bullet. It's got to be like. what gotta try there or or do that you know like if you're going to goop you gotta you gotta try the pussy use it's supposed to be not for sure you know that for a sniff yeah exactly i agree and i'm also realizing now i gotta put date added on the list so that i can keep track 1912 just like el chupo here lies goop kitchen since 1912 uh most important meal of the week eric was my last night in los angeles i drove down to newport beach yeah and i patroned the nobu location there oh let's go that's awesome dude yeah it was quite the meal um can walk you through some of the dishes but and i just want to like talk you a little bit of through this nobu locations vibe because it is nothing like the malibu location yeah tell me more is it like a beachfront i assume so Yeah, well, you're waterfront, you're overlooking the marina, all the yachts, kind of Lido Village area, which is yeah kind of the the fancy area. It's right next to, believe it or not, a goop. It's next to a Malibu Farm location, which you know I love. Even I went there for a meal while I was there, too. I've been there a couple times.
00:09:54
Think Fresh
um But this Nobu location is like way more chill. It's like... It's all like people dressed casually. The lighting's a little too bright, kind of a noisier room. Mostly like families hanging out there. It's like I kind of think of as places like if you're like going to take your I don't know, like your sugar baby out for dinner at Nobu. And you're like, oh, we're going to go to Malibu location. And then sugar baby's like, I can't get babysitting tonight. I could have bring my gum kid. And you're like, I guess we'll go to the Newport location.
00:10:27
Think Fresh
It's that kind of spot, you know? oh okay. It's close to home. Yeah. yeah Like there's people wearing like a Niners jersey sitting nearby. oh like this It's pretty chill. It's more of a working man's Nobu. It is the blue collar Nobu. But I still got the white collar price tag, dude.
00:10:43
Think Fresh
Okay. Yeah, like, fuck that place is overpriced. Dude, Nobu is kind of like, i don't know, it's just being diffused quite a lot. Like, even the Vegas one feels kind of like this, too. It's like, just kind copy-paste. But you you know when you, like, paste something and then it's formatted all fucked up? Yeah, yeah. You copy and paste the formatting. You're not aware of the context. yeah See, and now that there's one in Toronto, it's just like, yeah, you guys are washed.
00:11:05
Think Fresh
Super washed. But yeah, I literally I was thinking about it. I counted the number of bites my entire meal was. And if you swap each one of those bites and I just ate ate a ten dollar bill instead, it would be a cheaper dinner. than when fo to eat there I could literally eat ten dollar bills for dinner and it would have been a cheaper dinner. Wow. That's it what's crazy about that place.
00:11:26
Think Fresh
First time I went to Nobu, I got Taco Bell after. Did you have a similar fate? I thought about it. I pre-ate instead. But shit, yeah. Every time I hear about people going, they're always like, yeah. Then I went for a burger afterwards. It was not enough food. Yeah.
00:11:40
Think Fresh
Okay. I remember when I went, I had the miso cod. Yes. Did you have that? Of course I did. Dude, fuck that was the best was the best one, right? It was like, oh, oh my God. money, yeah. Melt in your mouth. Melt off the chopstick. Mm-hmm. That thing it goes crazy
Updated Food Pyramid Discussion
00:11:56
Think Fresh
good. Oh, yeah, dude.
00:11:58
Think Fresh
Honestly, it fucking slaps, dude. Like, Nobu is great. And i don't know. Did you have, like, a view of the water, at least? You you must have, right? I was not on the lake. this That was the view. Look how yachts ah go big those yachts are Wow, dude. Yeah, there's a dozen of them. You idiot. Not those ones. I want to go back and eat that right now. in that little They got these little ah corner justified goopy things you dip it in. doesn't even need it, honestly. It's so good.
00:12:29
Think Fresh
Totally. corner just yeah some really good like uh bluefin toro like uh nigiri a little little i don't know what that is that's like kind of like i did have something similar like a carpaccio style white fish that was really fire timakis you know the deal a little bit of sashimi hit the light lychee martinis that bad boy yeah that they they they love serving this one dude they love to arrange all of their food like a little flower petal it's all about surface area because you pick up that piece of fish and it's like in like sushi restaurant napkins yeah nice yeah so um can you just remind me there's that restaurant here in vancouver that's peruvian
00:13:08
Think Fresh
um And Nobu, but when I went at least, they explained to me that it was like Japanese Peruvian. The one here, is it Japanese Peruvian as well or just Peruvian? Just Peruvian. Oh, fuck. But yeah, this is ah what a Peruvian dish. I know. Add a little Japanese flair. Add some Jap flair, bro. Follow the Kisitanto approach.
00:13:24
Think Fresh
Yes. Oh, dude. This place is awesome. Yeah, it's pretty funny. Can't wait to go back. When I was there last in LA, it was one of the few restaurants open on Thanksgiving. And I think Thanksgiving would be a really fun day they spend at Nobu. you know Yeah, definitely. It's like all the single dads. It's like it's like all the ah kind of LA execs who have no family left. They just hang out at Nobu.
00:13:48
Think Fresh
Yeah, totally. Think about how many divorced dads are living in Hollywood and just need to take their kid out on Thanksgiving. Haven't cooked a meal in 40 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah that'd be a nice spot yeah so that's basically the highlights um from floating um like a mouth feel perspective uh i thought i'd drop a few new spots for you to check out nice dude revisit some old old haunts yeah i'll have to check it out um did you go any cool stores Cool stores. No, I didn't hit Rodeo this time, you know?
00:14:21
Think Fresh
Didn't patron the Gucci Cafe. But ah you know what I was doing is I went to a couple comedy shows. Oh, yeah. Comedy store. I went to comedy store one to store, bro? I went to the store. That was the first time. on the store was good oh nice store's fun I'm a big fan of the comic Eliza Schillinger I don't know if you know her does this like gremlin bit but she popped up on stage for a bit and did a great set that was a surprise and I was sitting next to the walkway where she left so I got to nap her up oh nice yeah that was her that's her yeah nice it's like Eliza I love your work come on my pod if you're listening we want you on the pod yeah if you're listening
00:15:02
Think Fresh
I don't think I saw anyone famous or like anyone that I already knew when I was there. um But one of them was like kind like a Nepo baby of the store. That's cool. Maybe was their bit and it wasn't real, but they explained how like no one actually likes them, but they're just like part of the family owns it. So they get to go on stage all the time. My dad's a shareholder. yeah Yeah, they sucked. Yeah, I bet. But it was a good night.
00:15:27
Think Fresh
Oh, man, yeah. It's so fun doing that kind of stuff because you get pretty high highb bar talent otherwise for like a pretty low entry fee. I went to even this guy, Jared Carmichael, I tried to go see when I was in LA three years ago. Didn't get into the venue because it was sold out. that was I think i talked about this on the pod. It the night he like won an Emmy, and he like brought the Emmy to the venue. and i was like standing outside, and I like watched him walk in. He was wearing, i think, Puff Daddy's fur jacket and carrying an Emmy, and he just looked so badass. I was like, damn I got to see this guy live and he just happened to be doing a set last week. So one nice. Hopped that as well. Nice dude.
00:16:04
Think Fresh
Yeah, dude. lots Lots happening. Lots of fun stuff. um Not so fun news, Ty. There's a food pyramid update. Okay. Breaking news at 11. Let's go. Breaking news. um So we're on King 5 News.
00:16:19
Think Fresh
That's an LA station, isn't it? I think so. Okay, I'm looking at the updated food pyramid tie. Oh, good. I'm so glad vegetables and fruits are still on this. You you thought RFK was going to delete them? Anyways, my my by the way, my five o'clock got pushed back, so we can roll a little way longer here. right um Right. as inside facebook room Anyways, food pyramid tie. We got protein and dairy. Okay, first of all, actually, I'll just lay the land for you.
00:16:47
Think Fresh
The pyramid is fucking flipped. Yeah, this is not my typical looking pyramid. It's not a triangle. It's an upside down triangle. and Some Illuminati shit happening in here. It kind of makes sense because, you know, the stuff that was on there before is more or less in the same place. But now it's completely 180 in terms of quantities. So like whole grains are still at the bottom of this triangle. But that now it's implying that you don't eat any or very little of it. No kidding. So kind of interesting.
00:17:16
Think Fresh
i think people are generally eating this way now. You know, like fewer carbs, more protein, good fats kind of thing. Unless you're Italian. Yeah. Yeah, do you think the pyramid in Italy is just like a coliseum and it's just one big bowl of pasta or something? It's a big circle to represent the penne noodle. ah I went to it like an Italian deli for lunch today and I got a sandwich and it was literally just like a fat fucking loco focaccia with like a thin layer of pesto in it. I just ate like a ton of bread. Dude, since when are we calling Subway an Italian deli? Nah.
00:17:53
Think Fresh
that's That's a good one. Thanks. So you clearly cut grain out almost completely. No, I was drinking beer anymore. Fuck, that's right. doing dry
Diet Adjustments and Personal Reflections
00:18:02
Think Fresh
gin. Yeah, sorry. I almost contemplated not hanging out with it. Hit stinky sound. Oh, yeah. Boo. Oh, my God.
00:18:12
Think Fresh
think I just put it on an infinite loop. Oh good, we're good. sorry, breadheads. And then moving up this triangle tile, we got some fruits, veggies, some little bit of seafood, avocado, good fats. little squash. Is that a squash?
00:18:27
Think Fresh
where uh there's some sort of gourd thing you know i think that's a mango okay that's okay that's a squash we got some lettuce green beans one carton of milk some yogurt and then as you make it up to the very top we got protein dairy and then vegetables so where are the cold cuts That's that's protein, baby. Oh, oh, I think that's like they put like a ah a big ass steak on there, you know, and like a full like Costco chicken rotisserie style. Just like eat the whole rotisserie chicken. You'll be fine. Dude, you already know there's some dad at Costco with these exact items in his cart. Yeah, for sure.
00:19:05
Think Fresh
um But yeah, there's no pork on here. So I'm wondering, is this like a halal version? um Yeah, big pork is going to be big mad. Yeah, dude. Pork is like the primary ingredient in cold cuts, if I'm being honest. Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
00:19:21
Think Fresh
Because like, okay, cold cuts aren't present here. But like, how else is this representing Subway's menu? Is it doing okay? Like, do we got in this little picture here, most of the options? I don't see cucumber.
00:19:33
Think Fresh
Which we know has no health benefits anyways, no bell pepper. well you know what? To be... That's a great observation. To be fair to Subway, they're moving in this direction with the bowls, but I think the sandwiches were kind of playing off the old pyramid because they had 12 whole inches of bread.
00:19:51
Think Fresh
Yeah, that's a really good point. then very little veggies inside. The old pyramid pre-2026 was like... had a It literally had a thick picture of long big a on it, I think. Yeah, there it is. that's and That's insane, dude. They're just like, just eat a whole loaf of bread.
00:20:06
Think Fresh
It's basically implying that like 70% of your diet should be saltines, sourdough, baguettes, and plates of pasta. Yeah, that's crazy. And that is 70% of my diet right now. So I got to make some adjustments. One notable thing on the new pyramid, though, is that like butter is taking up quite a bit of presence in this picture.
00:20:24
Think Fresh
And you you clock the butter right there, the big old yellow brick. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that some people are going to overindulge in butter. I think i think that's this is going to lead people into a butter-centric lifestyle. It's inevitable at this point.
00:20:37
Think Fresh
um But one funny thing is, Ty, they've kind of realized that like you know things are always in motion. You what I mean? Things start changing, evolving over the years. So they actually put an expiry date on this new pyramid. This is only good until 2030. Right. so Oh, that's smart, actually. So they're like...
00:20:54
Think Fresh
This isn't forever. This is the best of our knowledge in this present time. Yeah. We'll see how GMOs affect bananas going forward. We'll see what ah RFK's America does to this new pyramid. Yeah. ah The Mexican cartels are taken out. We might have to drop the avocado off this.
00:21:13
Think Fresh
That's right. Big bean is coming for us. So yeah, we got drop it. But yeah, underwhelming representation of ah legumes actually the beans yeah like where are my chickpeas where am i you know lentils you know where's my tofu no alt proteins here what does that say about um my diet totally and even the yogurt cup is just a tiny little it's almost like an asterisk at the at the end of the day right Yeah, dude, that's a teeny weeny yogurt cup. That's like, it doesn't even look like regular, like good Greek yogurt. That looks like it's like vanilla acai flavored yogurt. Oh, we got to mix the fruit at the bottom. Yeah, you got to scoop that up. that That's the best bite. You know you finish all the shitty yogurt and then you just get one big ass scoop of strawberry jam.
00:22:01
Think Fresh
Oh, yeah. You forgot to mix it. You don't even know you're supposed to. Yeah, exactly. Dude, I had some really good yogurt in Italy with you. do you remember the yogurt cups? I remember you gave me one. I put it in my car. I then spent three weeks driving around Italy and I found it in my car after three weeks. and I was like, ah, shit, this is nasty, dude. Like having in your bag is one thing, but in like the car where it's 45 degrees parked in the sun. Yeah. That Puglia sun. ah It's just like bubbling and fermenting in the backseat. That's crazy. I didn't even open it. It just went straight in the auto auto grill garbage can. ah
00:22:36
Think Fresh
You should have cracked it open and just give it a nice whiff. Big hit. Yeah, dude. You don't need Zan for the airplane if you got some percolating yogurt. Yeah. Percolating. That's crazy. Yucky.
00:22:49
Think Fresh
Yucky. Yuck. That's great. Thank you for sharing this. It's always good to stay informed. Breadheads, this episode is valid for the next four years, so feel free to revisit. Yeah, that's right.
00:23:00
Think Fresh
um yeah Don't hold us accountable to anything we may have said in the last year. Yeah. It's 2026 now, you know? Yeah, dude. Big 26. Big things coming.
Show 'Heated Rivalry' Overview
00:23:11
Think Fresh
Real quick, Ty, before we wrap, I want to talk to you about Heated Rivalry. Have you watched it? I haven't watched it. This is the one with the homosexual hockey players, right? Yeah. okay Yeah, I'm familiar.
00:23:20
Think Fresh
Yeah, exactly. I don't even know the plot. i just know that that is a theme. I heard there is no plot. I think it's just like gay porn. Yeah, I think you might be right. um But on skates, on skates, which is somehow very much gayer. You know, people like to say hockey isn't gay, but i actually think it's very hetero or sorry. yeah What's that? What's the word non hetero hetero divergent?
00:23:47
Think Fresh
No, I think homoerotic what I'm trying to say. Oh, homoerotic. Yes, yes. Yeah, you're just gliding. and Like, men should not glide, you know? It's inappropriate. You got to move your knees more. Yeah. Fellas, is it okay to high stick your boy, you know? don't think so.
00:24:02
Think Fresh
I honestly just like even hanging out with that many dudes, I try to avoid it most days. yeah You're like hanging out with dudes all day. Like, I get heated rivalry. I get how that premise could come into play, you know? You're watching your boy just get naked in the shower. You mean?
00:24:17
Think Fresh
but I just want to know why these guys are always perfectly waxed. I think it's an aerodynamic thing, you know, or maybe it's a chafing thing because got a lot gear on. Makes you think like if I waxed everything, would I just be, would I do everything faster? My, my speed, my like activity per minute, my EPMs, would that go up?
00:24:38
Think Fresh
I think so. I think so too. hu ah well Well, you know what? I wouldn't recommend this show, Ty. The fact you haven't watched it is a good thing. I would not try to put it on. um i don't feel you even have Crave.
00:24:51
Think Fresh
I seldom watch. I know. You're just the reader. Well, that's good for you, Ty. Hopefully, you know, your LP hasn't heard of it.
00:25:01
Think Fresh
because that's usually how it starts, right? Yeah, that's the gateway. finds a show, makes you watch it. Next thing you know, you're watching a show and I could just asked Grok to summarize it for me. Totally. Like as a grown man, you know I mean? Is it appropriate to sit on the couch and watch other grown men fuck? You know, you're asking all the right questions. I don't have the right answer. I think it's a it's personal. It's very much personal. It's very intimate too, i would say. Yeah.
00:25:30
Think Fresh
Well, anyways, Redheads, anything else you want cover or we wrap there? I
Episode Farewell and Cryptic Pyramids
00:25:35
Think Fresh
think I got more notes, but they can wait another day. Okay. Redheads, thank you for listening. So good to be in the booth with you. That's right.
00:25:42
Think Fresh
Stay safe out there. Stay safe. And let's think about who built the pyramids for real. for real Yeah, for real. Think fresh about that. Think fresh. Ciao.