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WILD ONEZ: Hello and welcome to the Wild Ones podcast. We are on episode nine today.
Viv: Woo-hoo.
WILD ONEZ: had a really fun one for you all. But before we start with that, a couple training life fun updates from Viv and I'm officially in wedding week.
WILD ONEZ: I know, it's crazy.
Viv: countdown.
WILD ONEZ: But other than that, nothing nothing too crazy over over here on my end. What about you, Viv?
Viv: That's wild. Well, I love the fact that you were like, hey, you know we're just going to go on a trail run and a hike to find picture spots. Hey, this is where we're going to have our little ceremony.
Viv: Oh, we're just going to go on a quick little eight mile trail run real quick. Don't worry about it. That's That's my favorite part.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah, we're really excited. Yeah, we're going to bring our friends on a hike midday.
Viv: Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: So yeah, it'll be good.
Viv: would be so lovely. I'm so excited for you guys.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah, we're excited.
Viv: i I don't have that many exciting things happening, actually. I'm still kind of recovering from the Made for More Ultra that I don't think I gave a deep brief really at all, but it was a really cool race. Our coach, Marcus Barton, won the race.
Viv: I don't think anybody's surprised, so I told him he had to come back next year and, like,
WILD ONEZ: Woohoo!
Viv: kind of a defend his title. But it was so fun to see the Lafayette running community show up. The guys in MoverX, Chuck and Bo, like really did such a good job doing like really kind of capturing that nice backyard feel, but also keeping it still intimate as well. Like it was everything was very intentional about the race. So I'm still kind of on the back end of recovering from that. So it's it's been fun. It's been great. am – i
WILD ONEZ: Viverin's 50 something miles, NDD.
Viv: It's – yeah. it 13 laps, which insane. And, like, the last two laps, I literally, like, told my friends. I was like, I don't want anything to eat. They're you need to eat something. And, like, I took, like, a sip of a Coke and just continued running. So when I finished – or when I finished lap 13 and was, like, headed out for 14, like, it was – Liz was like, your lips were blue.
Viv: We almost had a call to like, 911. I was like, good, glad, glad we didn't do that. Cool. So, but that, just kind of getting into the rest of the workouts. We've got orcas coming up here shortly, like in, like, yeah, end of, and of May.
WILD ONEZ: We're in May. my gosh, race month.
Viv: I'm very excited. We had a swim run in France, I believe, kick off this past weekend. i So, we are officially in swim run season, y'all. It is very exciting.
WILD ONEZ: Woohoo.
Viv: We also have, what's it called? Coca-Dona. By the time you guys are listening to this episode and when it drops, I think Coca-Dona would be kicking off, depending on time zone.
Viv: But we got the Coca-Dona 250 with like some insane lineups here.
WILD ONEZ: I'm saying.
Viv: Like,
WILD ONEZ: If y'all aren't already planning on watching this race or following along, we've got Courtney DeWalter and Rachel Entrichen racing together again. And so far they are like one-to-one.
WILD ONEZ: So like Courtney's won one, Rachel's won one for the races that they've been at.
Viv: They're insane.
WILD ONEZ: So this is like, yeah. I mean, they're super stoked to be running together for this race and I cannot wait
Viv: It's going so fun. Oh, yeah. And haven't they been training on the same trails? Kind of in your in your own backyard, too?
WILD ONEZ: Yeah, I mean, Courtney lives in BV now, too. She moved from Leadville. So they just they bop around and yeah, yeah, it is It's actually, yeah, pretty fun.
Viv: That's so cool.
WILD ONEZ: Like Courtney has no idea who I am. But I ran into her the other day and I was like, hey, on Midland Hills. like You don't even know who I am. I'm just gonna say hi and not fangirl.
WILD ONEZ: But so cool to see you.
Viv: But fangirl, when you pass me and it's fine.
WILD ONEZ: I know.
Viv: That is – I'm so excited.
WILD ONEZ: yeah
Viv: Yeah. So if you if you guys are listening to this episode, you better go find the Coca-Cola 250 like live or any any sort of streaming for that because this race is going to be epic.
Viv: Like this race is epic already, but like the female lineup is just insane between our top hitters and like just everybody else who has signed up.
WILD ONEZ: I think we have...
WILD ONEZ: Yeah, I think we have some friends actually in the swimrun community who are running this race as well.
Viv: Oh, is Sarah running it?
WILD ONEZ: Sarah? Yeah, I think so. From what I saw on Strava, don't quote me on that, but I think so. So good luck, Sarah, if you listen to this podcast.
Viv: If you are running it, if we are correct on that.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah, it's Sarah correct. She's a baddie, so it's going to be a good good lineup.
Viv: She is. I'm so excited. I'm even more excited for this week's guest.
WILD ONEZ: Ooh.
Viv: Oh, wow. but We've been wanting to have her, I think, on the podcast since we started it. Because really, i think she was there when we were thinking about the podcast idea anyway.
Viv: like back Like back in the day, like two years ago. And we've known this girl since 2021 when we were all sweating together at 5 a.m. Traverse classes in Colorado.
WILD ONEZ: Oh my God. What a different life that was.
Viv: to And now we're talking about getting eight hours of sleep. So we know we have we have grown in, i think, adulthood altogether, too. But she she's grown up in athletics, not just little too much here, but she went from synchronized swimming when she was younger to rowing at a Division I school at USC. She is a beast of an athlete, and we have nothing but fun with her. so without further ado, we welcome to the podcast Kate.
WILD ONEZ: The sauce queen.
Viv: The sauce queen.
Kate: Hello! Hey friends!
Viv: Welcome, welcome.
WILD ONEZ: Welcome Kate.
Kate: Oh, I should have sauce.
Viv: are so excited to have you.
Kate: I should have sat in the fridge. That would have been, or the pantry. would have been much more fitting.
Viv: Kate, how many sauces do you have in your fridge at one time?
Kate: Actually, don't have any sauces anymore. I'm not a sauce queen like I used to be because I'm
Viv: oh
Kate: mentally stable. I feel like, so but don't worry when I'm at restaurants, I go crazy.
WILD ONEZ: yeah
Viv: Okay.
Kate: it's just like, still a sauce queen at heart.
Viv: Good, good, good.
WILD ONEZ: I love that whenever I grab up like okay but like whenever I grab like three or four sauces from a restaurant now I think of you and it yeah it's yeah good memories good memories
Kate: and Just don't own them.
Kate: Yeah. Yeah. I have to make myself not pay a lot of extra money for extra sauce. Cause I will, I have spent,
Viv: you yeah you got to like You gotta to make sure like at least like one's included, or like two, three.
Kate: like more money on sauce.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: like How many sauces can I really get here?
Kate: Yeah. And then you you never order the sauce with the meal. You always ask for it after like a side of ranch or mayo because you don't want them to charge it like or side of aioli like a is usually more expensive.
Kate: And so I'm like, No, I don't want to charge it. So i don't want to pay for it. So I usually just ask for it after i' like you you forgot my side a sauce.
WILD ONEZ: nice
Viv: like, hey, hi.
WILD ONEZ: Well, some sauce hacks from the queen herself, Kate.
Kate: Yeah. Yes.
Viv: start from the beginning, Kate.
WILD ONEZ: There we go. Thank you.
Kate: Okay.
Viv: like like Like, we could start from like fetus Kate, we can start from like baby Kate, we can go from...
Kate: Oh, fetus Kate. All right.
WILD ONEZ: Oh.
Kate: Well, let's, let's start.
Viv: I don't think we've done that with any of our guests yet. Oh.
Kate: Oh, actually, my birthday is actually kind of crazy.
WILD ONEZ: What is here?
Kate: I was supposed to be born on January 4th because my mom is born on November 4th. My dad is born on December 4th and my half birthday was supposed to be their wedding anniversary on July 4th. But I came a day early as my mom was walking to water aerobics and I was a C-section.
Kate: So my dad had to leave work because he was she was at the hospital already working.
Viv: That's wild.
Kate: But yeah. And then they didn't know I was born because it was a C-section baby. And my mom was talking to the anesthesiologist the whole time, as usual. And so they're like, do you want to see your baby? And they didn't know if i was a boy or girl. They're like, well, do you to see your baby? And they're like, oh, sure, I guess.
Kate: So that's my birth story.
WILD ONEZ: I don't
Kate: does.
Viv: That's amazing. I love this. Okay, so we go we've covered fetus, Kate. Let's go. let's i mean, I kind of brought it in the intro, too, but you did synchronized swimming.
Viv: How did you get into sports?
Kate: I still do synchronized swimming.
Viv: Did you just do everything under the sun when you were younger?
Kate: I still do synchronized swimming. I had practice this morning.
Viv: Shut up.
WILD ONEZ: What?
Kate: Yeah. I started a master's team or a a bunch of us that swim together and compete against each other at different pools all started master's team together. So. Yeah, it's really fun.
WILD ONEZ: What?
Viv: I love that.
WILD ONEZ: When did that start?
Kate: But a few months ago. Yeah, it's been fun.
WILD ONEZ: Fun. I love that.
Kate: But anyway, synchronized swimming. That was like swimming and synchronized swimming started when I was little. I was on some team I was like five. I mean, i think I was swimming, like snorkeling when I was like nine months old from what I've heard. I don't actually know, but that's what my parents tell me. Like I've been a water baby through and through. And so when we moved to Colorado, so i be my dad's So my mom and dad's friends from college, their daughters had synchronized swimming and to go see their meet and they had like pretty sparkles and makeup on and pretty like fancy suits and they had gelatin in their hair and we're like, oh, this is so cool. my sister and were like probably five and three at the time.
Kate: And after that, we're like, let's do it. And the neighborhood moved into, the pool had synchronized swimming. And so I joined or we both joined the year. that we joined the pool. So I was seven, my sister was five and we did it through our freshman year of college. So I did it till I was 19.
Kate: And I don't know what year that was, like 2020, 2015, maybe. i don't remember. But yeah, that's how I got into it was our family friends.
Viv: That's so cool.
Kate: They did it and we were like, oh, that's awesome.
Viv: Oh, that's wild.
Kate: Yeah. And then I've been swimming a lot.
Viv: What other sports have you done besides, i guess, swimming too?
Kate: and then, yeah, are not fun.
Viv: Fair. Don't blame me there.
Kate: I was not about it I like inwards, but for versus heck no. and then in the winters, I did soccer growing up and i started soccer. I did field hockey in high school, swimming in high school. And then my first year i did soccer, but soccer was like, I was not that good at soccer. i was not very good at running back in the day. I was actually just talking to my coach from field hockey when I cried. Cause I couldn't finish two miles in 18 minutes, my senior year of field hockey that has changed.
Kate: So yeah, I hated running.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: It
Viv: Wow.
Kate: I quit soccer. I quit soccer because of running. There's too much running. And I joined tennis because the tennis coach was the field hockey coach. So she didn't make us run. She just made us run field hockey. And so, yeah, I joined tennis and that was, did that for three years. And I still play tennis a little bit.
Kate: but then college ed rowing accidentally again, kind of.
Viv: Yeah. How did, how did you accidentally get into rowing? Like what's, how did that just like just happen?
Kate: yeah
Viv: Cause I feel like you don't just accidentally get like, Fall into a sport like that.
Kate: Well, yeah. So my mom had always wanted to row. She tried, she wanted to try rowing in college because she went to Stanford. So they have like a pretty big team They're actually one of the best teams in the country right now, but she had herniated her disc in high school, really bad playing tennis.
Kate: So she like couldn't do it. It's just too back intensive. So she was like, Kate, you should try rowing.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: and in Denver, she had joined rowing like two years before I'd gone to college. And then another thing that the summer before college, very randomly, two different people were like, are you a rower? And I was like, no, what the frick is a rower?
Kate: and I was like, I don't know, but people keep saying it looked like a rower.
WILD ONEZ: Mm-hmm.
Kate: So maybe I should try it. So I went to the, uh, club fair, like the college athletic fair at USC. And they're like, I was like, there's a men's team, but there's no one seen yeah, we're going to have a men's club team.
Kate: I was like, Oh, okay. I guess not rowing. It's not for me. Maybe I'll do like the swim team or something. Cause want to stay in a sport. And then a few weeks later, there was an email, like the whole, all females, incoming freshmen and transfers got an email saying like, hey, we want you to try out for the women's rowing team. him was like, oh, look at this. Didn't realize it was D1 at the time. I was like, oh, perfect. I'll go try out.
Viv: You're like, why not?
Kate: i So I show up and like write my whole history. Like my coach would make fun of me for it for years. She was like, you wrote everything. i was like, I won synchronized swimming state in this. I was like bragging about everything I did because I wanted to show off and be like, I'm worth it. I should be an athlete. I don't know.
Kate: trying to make it sound like I could. work out to some degree. And then somehow a few weeks later, I made the team. And then after the first semester, they cut two more girls in. It was only the other girl, Sophie and I, and we're only two freshmen to keep the team.
Kate: And then I somehow made it and kept making it all four years.
Viv: Wow.
Kate: well Looking back, I was not very good at rowing. I'm better at rowing probably now than I was then, but that's okay. I've learned how to strength train and like use my legs.
Viv: That's...
Kate: But yeah, it was fun. It was a wild ride. It was worth it for the backpack. Worth it for the backpack and and the free food.
Viv: Oh, you guys got like a proper gear haul too.
Kate: oh oh yeah. Like, okay.
Viv: Like i went to like small D one and we had like i like, here's some stuff.
Kate: the
Viv: But like you and my sister got like the good haul.
Kate: Oh yeah.
Viv: You guys got tons of stuff.
Kate: We got the good stuff. Yeah. Like our stuff was so good. Like my backpack, I still use my backpack. Backpacks, I guess.
Viv: Nice.
Kate: My dad still uses one of them. It's like, it elevated you. If you had a backpack, you were like royalty on campus. Even though the rowing team's like mainly there just to balance out football and numbers for Title IX, which is fine, but like, you still gotta be, pretty cool.
WILD ONEZ: Where did you guys grow at?
Kate: The port of l LA and San Pedro, next to all the container ships, pretty crazy. 10,000 meters, open space, it was awesome.
Viv: Oh, that's really cool.
WILD ONEZ: Nice.
Kate: Yeah, was actually very cool.
Viv: Oh.
Kate: We might have have cancer due to chemicals in the air, but you know, that's okay. We'll probably be fine. So far, so good.
Kate: Yeah, it was awesome.
Viv: That's wild.
Kate: Like we could see like dolphins, sea lions. It was really cool. We almost got hit by container ships a couple of times and tug boats.
WILD ONEZ: Whoa.
Kate: That was also exciting.
WILD ONEZ: That's motivation to keep moving fast.
Viv: You're like, yeah yeah, how do you keep rowing fast? Well, if we didn't row fast, we would get hit by a container ship.
Kate: No, we literally would get stuck in their wake.
Viv: It's fine.
Kate: Like, it was terrifying. It's like a swirly wake, and you're like, oh, no, oh, no. Like, you got to go. And they're, like, yelling because they can't stop. They're like, get out of the way on their speaker phones.
Kate: And we're like, okay, we're going. Yeah, it was terrifying. But we survived.
Viv: I'm really glad you made it Yeah, I'm like glad you made it through.
Kate: yeah Thank you.
WILD ONEZ: Okay, so what was the farthest that you would row during like races like this?
Kate: Me too.
Kate: Races, the farthest we'd row was a 5K. So fall season was 5K, like long distance season.
WILD ONEZ: Okay.
Kate: And then the main thing that they race like in the Olympics and stuff is 2Ks. So 2Ks, like a little bit over a mile, like a mile and a quarter. And it's just a full out sprint. So that was not my favorite. I prefer 5Ks much more. I'm much more of an endurance girl.
WILD ONEZ: you
Kate: But yeah, it was it was not fun. And then practices, I mean, we go 30 plus K in some practices. Some practices were like 20 K, but most were an hour and a half, hour hour and a half. So usually 30, 35 K, long days would be like 35 plus.
Kate: So long days. And we always had two days. I mean, we had two days pretty much every day, except for Sundays.
Viv: Oh, yeah.
Kate: And cause we had technically two optional practice where like practice on your own. So like the coaches can count it towards our care hours. And so, yeah, those were like another yeah hour.
WILD ONEZ: What's a camera at?
Kate: So in NCAAs, they, they monitor, well, so they monitored the number of hours you should work out as an,
Viv: It's like days are're supposed to you're supposed to be off.
Kate: D1 athlete, you're supposed to only have like 20 hours of workout hours a week. If you look at any school, nobody follows that. They have captain's practices or what they call them or like optional practices where it's like voluntold.
WILD ONEZ: Hmm.
Kate: Like, I mean, that's one of the reasons like USC, like our coach got in trouble. Multiple coaches have gone in trouble. Probably of the reasons he got fired, but like, there's a lot of reasons.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: he guys
Viv: There's a couple.
Kate: That's a whole nother story. Yeah, but I mean, there's a lot of coaches that will go over. And it's like, if you look at any other team, like Yale, for example, Texas, like they practice, you practice much closer to 30 to 40 hours a week.
Kate: Because you're, I mean, like you're a professional athlete and they say student first, athlete second.
WILD ONEZ: yeah
Kate: But in reality, i mean, now you get paid to go to school. It's much more the other way.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: Like we weren't even, like I wasn't supposed to be an engineer in college. Like they're like, you shouldn't be an engineer. Like had to miss practices on the water and do dry land by myself. for a semester because like I had to take a class. So, I mean, yeah, it's a lot, it was a lot of rowing, a lot of rowing, a lot of, lot of working out, but I loved it. I loved it. love the team.
Kate: And yeah, care hours, long story short, how many hours you should work out mandated.
Viv: That's, yeah, you should. How, yeah. How many do you actually do is way, way more.
Kate: Not, yeah, way more.
WILD ONEZ: i only played rugby in college and it was a club sport it wasn't like a sanctioned like so we didn't have to worry about any of that
Kate: Yeah. I mean, they have to have rules. Yeah. The rules definitely make it tricky. But they're there for a good reason.
Viv: Mm-hmm.
Kate: They're definitely there. Otherwise, coaches would abuse them even more than they do already.
WILD ONEZ: yeah that's fair
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: Oh, you went from...
WILD ONEZ: Where do you think your endurance journey began? Because the more I think about it, the more I'm like, rowing is totally an endurance sport.
Kate: Oh, my. Yeah. I mean, that's how I learned to like to work out for a long time. Like, when I was done with college, I was like, what the hell I'm only supposed to work out like for an hour long orange theory class. I'm used to working out like an hour and a half in the morning.
Viv: triple
Kate: Because I was just like used to the time. Like I think the time really got into me. And I also have never been fast.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: Like my sister was a sprinter. And I was never the best swimmer synchronized swimming. I was pretty good at, again, that's much more of an endurance sport too, because it's like, how long can you hold your breath for? I'm pretty good at that. so I could stay underwater for a long time.
Kate: but like sprinting, uh, nah, I play defense for a reason. Like I'm not good at, not good at it. I'm not fast, have no fast twitch muscles. Also learned that while trying to row.
Kate: Cause that, yeah, no Olympic lifting, not fun.
Viv: Oh, yeah.
Kate: so yeah, it's, that's how I kind of learned. And then also, I mean, running more endurance was, i started running in college too, because my back hurt rowing. I mean, my back was so messed up, for a long time.
Kate: And like, I still don't row really anymore because of my back. I like, don't want to hurt my back. And I started running during off seasons or like on weekends, instead of rowing.
Viv: Mm-hmm.
Kate: And so that's how I kind of liked it. But again, it's like, I wasn't fast. So like a quick three mile didn't really get anything. i was like a more leisurely let's go explore LA for miles.
Kate: So kind of how I got into the long distance.
WILD ONEZ: Okay, fine, fine.
Kate: Also a time thing. Like I'm a numbers person. So I think I like to work out time and I like to feel it. And I like to go for a while, like even lifting. I'm like, okay, I did an hour left. Let's freaking go now. I'm ready to go. so that's how I found out i like endurance.
Kate: Short and sweet, not my forte.
Viv: I don't blame you. but i I mean, like, I used to be – I'm quite the opposite. Like, I sprinted. I didn't ever do endurance stuff. And, like, not until, like, I did Orange Theory and, like, really, like, Traverse, too, where I was like, oh, yeah, I could totally do a marathon.
Viv: Like, people are signing up for it. Like, how how hard can it be?
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: Shit's hard.
WILD ONEZ: I
Viv: Shit's really hard. sort And so, like – but now, like, I mean –
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: We've worked out so much like between all three of us. like I think all of us could do like a marathon tomorrow. It would suck, but we could do it because we have a good base of endurance and we know how to do it and get it done.
Kate: Oh, you can do it.
Viv: So I think that that's the magic.
Kate: and for sure do it.
Viv: Just how miserable do you want to be?
Kate: It's just not.
WILD ONEZ: mean, Kate, yeah, Kate has a a very recent experience of distance running.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: Yeah, I did.
Viv: yeah how
Kate: Couch to fifty k Couch to 50K with no training. Don't recommend. It was fun, though.
WILD ONEZ: But you crushed it. Yeah, you still did amazing.
Kate: I tried to drop three times, and they're like, well, it's a three-mile hike out. And I was like, God, I might as well just go to six miles. And I've made friends, so I might as well just go with them and go by myself and get lost.
WILD ONEZ: it does.
Kate: Cause I would get lost. And so that's how I finished it. Yeah. But three miles in, I already had blisters. I literally poured water on my feet because I was like in swim run, you don't get blisters.
Kate: So it actually helped. It did work a little bit for the, for the three miles from mile three to six to get to the aid station, got some blister stuff.
WILD ONEZ: yeah
Kate: And then I just started chugging and yeah, I finished it. I had run 12 miles in the two weeks beforehand. And before that I hadn't run in two months. I don't recommend that. It was,
Kate: horrible after, but it was a beautiful day.
Viv: But you did it.
Kate: I did it.
Viv: Yeah, I was like it was gorgeous. You guys had a really good race day.
Kate: Yeah. I mean, you can, it was a very lovely race day. it was a crazy race. It was Colorado race day for sure. Like the weather we got was insane.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah, i was like we had a ton of wind for like 20 minutes. It like hailed and rained for like 25 minutes.
Kate: Right. Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: So yeah, it was.
Kate: Yeah. It was fun though.
WILD ONEZ: no you crushed
Viv: I was...
WILD ONEZ: I'm proud of you for finishing that. I don't i don't know if I would have put the wheel to do that.
Kate: Oh, thank you. I, oh yeah, questionable, but you know, it's like, you get into the pain cave. but That's the one thing I think I'm pretty proud of myself for doing is like, and how I got through rowing and a lot of things in my life is like, I won't give up. Like, I don't think I've ever quit anything truly actually in high school. I quit sprints. I used to get out of sprints, I said my knees hurt and like, you know, they kind of hurt. Like they definitely have some problems, but they didn't really hurt that bad. Like in looking back, I'm sorry, coaches, Sarah and Allison and Kelsey, like they really were, they were not that bad. I should not have sat out. I just didn't want to do them.
Kate: I'm definitely sending this to Sarah so she can listen to this after that. But yeah, I think, I think now I'm just not a quitter.
Kate: I think I used to give up and now I'm just like, frick that like I, I can do It's a much a mental thing. It's like, don't know with anything you can do really hard things. And sure, if my body had broken, like if I'd really hurt something, I would have stopped. But like I wasn't that in much pain, not in that much pain. So i was like, well, I'm not, why am I going to stop? Like I can still walk. I can still, I walked six miles, walked the last six miles, but I did it, you know, like there's people off way worse than I was. And I was happy and having a good time, made friends.
Kate: And, you know, people can get you a long way. and yeah, don't know.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: I just like persevering too.
WILD ONEZ: That's the
Kate: It's like, I don't like to give up, you know? I'm lucky to be out there. I'm also trying to decrease my impulse buying of races. So I do the races if I sign up for them because
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: I have trigger fingers. So I'm trying to reduce my trigger finger for signing up races by doing them. It hasn't worked yet.
WILD ONEZ: yeah
WILD ONEZ: like I'm laughing because I kind of do the same thing and I need to actively remind myself and like tell myself, like no, like don't sign up for that right now because I don't know what going to be doing.
Kate: Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: And then that's like also only two weeks after the 250Ks back-to-back, which is also only two weeks after Worlds this year.
Kate: Two weeks after Worlds.
WILD ONEZ: yeah like don't sign yourself up for that, Sarah.
Kate: Yep. That's how I was with like the the Colorado swim race.
Viv: Oh my gosh, you're pulling a Vivian.
Kate: I was like, yeah, Sarah, I'll probably do, if I'm in town, I think I'm there for the Sunday ascent. So hopefully I'll be able to do that. I don't know if I'm going to both though, unless I'm in,
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Viv: that'll be
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: pillar shape, maybe I can get in killer shape and I'll start running much more than I am now.
WILD ONEZ: Well, you're going to Worlds this year, so you're going to be in killer shape.
Kate: Yeah, I know.
WILD ONEZ: You'll be able to hike through the mountains.
Kate: Yeah, I know. That's true.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: That's true. Very true.
Viv: Amazing.
Kate: Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: Oh my gosh.
Kate: Yeah. So Viv, why don't you sign up for a race impulsively?
Viv: What other races are
Viv: my last marathon, actually.
Kate: are you saying?
Viv: mya well, not my last marathon. Well, I mean, I literally told Marcus. i was like, hey, Marcus. So, like, we've got a good base this year. I think I'm going to run a marathon in five weeks and try and BQ.
Viv: Can we do that?
Kate: Hell yeah.
Viv: And he was like... Yeah, sure. So I did end up getting a BQ. I just didn't make the cut, obviously, because Boston gets faster and faster. But it i I am definitely the person who's just like, hey, you should totally sign up for this race.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: And they're like, when is it? I go tomorrow.
Kate: Yep.
Viv: Like, i almost signed up for a triathlon yesterday.
WILD ONEZ: listen
Viv: So decided not to do it. was like, oh, I don't really want to wake up early and drive an hour and a half away to do that.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: So going to say no to that. and Probably better. so
Kate: Good job. Good job. Control. Self-control.
Viv: Thanks.
Kate: I love it.
WILD ONEZ: I never thought this would be like a topic of conversation in my life impulsively buying races like never in a million years
Kate: It's hard, though.
Viv: I mean, I think with any of us too
Kate: I mean, there's way worse things to impulsively buy, okay, guys?
WILD ONEZ: that's true there's way worse things to spend money on
Viv: That's, this is normal.
Kate: Like, it's a very... It's a healthy, expensive addiction. but still cheaper than drugs. So you know what? I'd say it's
WILD ONEZ: And this is why we're besties.
WILD ONEZ: The peer pressure is great.
Viv: What?
Viv: Okay. So Kate, did you get peer pressure? Did hashtag Rob made you do it for the swim run in August?
Kate: Oh yeah. the what I was one of the ones who like started, we started posting that when it was, the Rob made me do it was, the Moab race, the Moab race was when we started doing the hashtag.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: I was at a taco shop with two people from traverse about to go to another diverse person's birthday party.
WILD ONEZ: don't know.
Kate: And we signed up for the race right there. And then in a taco shop and Rhino hashtag Rob made me do it. And then Rob was at the birthday party and it was very fun. And yeah, that's how i always started saying that I think back in the day, but yeah, i was at that first orcas race, but very weirdly, I was not supposed to be there.
WILD ONEZ: i think we talked you into it because you were really hesitant about it and then we were like come on come on
Kate: Well, I mean, yeah, I was very hesitant about it because i hadn't worked out for a long time i touch to to take a minor break due to my mental health, which was a good break.
WILD ONEZ: yeah
Viv: It's been a minute.
Kate: But it's like hadn't worked out. So doing something like that, also gaining like 40 pounds, not fun. So trying to do all that and train. I was not sure about it, but Ashley, one of the people from Traverse, was supposed to go, and then they had nobody working front desk because she couldn't go, so she dropped out.
Kate: I was like, oh, can I go? is there a spot in the house? And so I was able to go that way, and I'm very glad I joined because it was so fun.
WILD ONEZ: We are too.
Viv: And you, I feel like that was a a great catalyst of like, we didn't know what was going to happen and continue to blossom through swim run.
Kate: It was the best.
Kate: Yes.
Viv: And then like now trail running too.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: So like, it's, it's wild to see like just all of us so much like change of the last, oh my gosh, four years now, five years.
Kate: Yeah.
Kate: I know.
Kate: It's so true.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: It's like, I just remember race racing against you, Viv, trying to keep up with you on a one mile.
WILD ONEZ: So much has changed in that phrase.
Kate: This is pre ERC, but a one mile thing in like Rob's class and being like, okay. And we did like a six minute mile. That was the fastest mile I've ever run. Probably the last time i' ever run that fast.
Viv: No, that was like, Kate, we would compete.
Kate: But I remember doing that.
Viv: I would compete against you at Orange Theory.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: And I was like, this bitch is doing, this is her second class right
Kate: It was an orange theory. was a text of her.
Viv: like, I compete her.
Kate: Yeah, it's fair.
Viv: And then I was like, oh, Kate's actually a really nice individual.
Kate: Yeah.
Kate: Just a little cuckoo, but that's okay. little cuckoo, but you know.
Viv: But so am I. So it worked out really well.
Kate: It worked out perfectly. and then there was Sarah, who was already the changing room because she had to go to work at some ungodly hour to go climb trees.
WILD ONEZ: Oh my God. I don't
Viv: Yes, imagine imagine all of this.
WILD ONEZ: I'm saying.
Viv: I'm going to set the scene for you. I think we've discussed this before as well, but probably with Jen too. 5
Viv: We all finished our workout. We're all sweaty because at this point, Traverse doesn't have showers. And so we're like, you know, i like whatever.
WILD ONEZ: Oh.
Viv: And we don't know where Sarah is. We're all rolling out. We're stretching. We got the Norma Tech boots. We're treating ourselves to a little recovery. And Sarah pops out dressed as a traffic cone in her neon tree climbing gear.
Kate: Literally.
Viv: But she's like, I need to wear this for safety. and we had no idea what she did for like probably like two weeks.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: And we're like, why is this girl coming out neon stuff?
Kate: Can't miss this 645 safety meeting.
Viv: Like it says save a tree, but i don't know what she's doing.
Kate: Saving trees, man.
Viv: Save in trees.
Kate: Literally.
Viv: I live in all the trees.
WILD ONEZ: Why does she come out looking like a construction worker?
WILD ONEZ: Oh.
Viv: Every time.
Kate: Very cute construction worker, okay?
Viv: Yes, the cutest.
Kate: Very cute.
WILD ONEZ: The good thing about my job and like working out early in the mornings though, is that like I was going to go and sweat and be even more stinky and smell like sawdust and gasoline and all the things.
WILD ONEZ: And so I was like working out.
Viv: So it worked out really well.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah, it didn't even matter. I was just like pre-gaming the rest of the day.
Kate: Heck yeah.
Viv: is this Is this regular day sweat or is this pregame sweat right now?
Kate: What a free game.
WILD ONEZ: Depends if there's any sawdust glitter in it or not.
Kate: a
WILD ONEZ: Oh, man.
Kate: That's amazing.
WILD ONEZ: That just like really, yeah, it brings me back to the beginning of like when we all met and all of our shenanigans. I'm so thankful for that introverse. And yeah, seriously, just like who would have thought that one race in Orcas Island, Washington would have like brought us together in this way?
Kate: Yes.
Kate: Yeah. Well... Even before that, I mean, I'll go back to, I can go dive deep into my history because it's a big part of me and like part of endurance racing too.
Kate: But like Sarah, Viv had already left for freaking DC. No, where are you? Yeah, DC?
Viv: No, I was in New York.
Kate: New York, New York.
Viv: I moved to New York at that point.
Kate: New York.
WILD ONEZ: Very
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: You guys were amazing friends. And I was a little mentally cuckoo and ended up going to eating disorder treatment. And Sarah was the first person I told. And it was amazing. And she was super supportive. And it was amazing. And then I saw Viv. And Viv was the second person I told at a Rockies game when she was on vacation.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: it was very sweet.
Viv: I was.
Kate: So I feel like without you guys, it would have been not the same.
Viv: I was.
Kate: And I'm glad you encouraged me to do run. Because without swim run, I'd probably still be a little cuckoo doing road races and shit. And now I'm much happier. So yay Anyway, shout out to you guys.
Viv: Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Viv: I know. And I think, like, with Sarah and I, like, I didn't know if you told anybody. and you're like, okay, I told Sarah. And I was like, oh, my gosh. i was like, one – like, i already knew you were a badass. But, like, the fact that, like – like, oh, divulge real quick. like da Like, getting help for that and, like, recognizing that. And also, like, just seeing how – like, I don't think – How do I phrase this?
Viv: I don't think, you like, you know what anybody's going through and until you, like... Either somebody tells you or they're on the other side of, like, treatment or or just, like, a better awareness.
Viv: And, like, I think we could have...
Kate: For sure.
Viv: We also could have just, like, tell by, like, your aura and, like, other stuff, too. Like, you just... you seem so much happier but also like just just so like just so like self-aware too of like and even now like when people meet you like you're such such a gem of a human that I'm like do you know who Kate is like have you met Kate like you need to know who Kate is and like
Kate: Yes, ma'am.
Viv: It's just like, it's just your self-awareness of like who you are now and like all this stuff. Like, again, when I say we grew like we grew up together the last like four or five years, like we really did because there's so much that's changed, but also like so much that has stayed the same.
Kate: it' that that Yeah.
Viv: And like, I think it's just.
Kate: Yeah. Our core values and roots have changed, but we've all grown, I feel like better and deeper into the person, persons, people, people we are meant to be, you know, we've like gotten some rid of that baggage.
Viv: Oh, absolutely.
Kate: Shout out therapy forever and always. But also friends. I feel like swim run is therapy.
Viv: Love therapy.
Kate: I mean, i i my long runs, like with my main partner, Mary, like our long run.
Viv: So sorry.
Kate: Our long runs.
Viv: If you're hearing that, that is my dog her bark call.
Kate: Anyway.
Viv: I really didn't think it was going to go off during the
Viv: Okay.
Kate: and anyway We love long runs.
Viv: We're being serious.
Kate: We love long runs because they're therapy. I mean, that's literally talk about. Like swim run, I feel is like the most, like that's why I love swim run too, is because you get to know people in like a deep level, like in a marathon. i know I've never actually done a marathon, so I can't say that, but feel a marathon you're zoned and you got your headphones on, you know, you're going, but swim run, like you're out talking and then a lot of like going to places, you're in remote places.
Kate: So you're all in Airbnbs together and like you get to have like deep conversations that are a lot deeper than you sometimes intend them to be. But, you know, they always end out great. And like people like figure their shit out. It's amazing. It's like really cool to see people become themselves.
Kate: And i think it's because of the community because they're so supportive and accepting.
Viv: Yeah. Yeah.
Kate: Like you can have the hard conversations, especially on the trail for a long time.
WILD ONEZ: I, yeah, I genuinely don't think I would be the same person today if it wasn't for swimrun and the swimrun community and the time that like Viv and and everybody has like shared on the trails, like no matter the conversation, we're talking about.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: Oh, 100%.
WILD ONEZ: But I really, yeah, genuinely, like I don't think I'd be the same person today.
Kate: Like i I literally called somebody when I started dating Griffin.
WILD ONEZ: And yeah. Thank you for the rest.
Kate: I was like, I think I liked you in the past when I was talking with Sarah. remember that? When you're hiking around Silverthorne, we actually made it around the hike of Buffalo Mountain or whatever.
Kate: We did the full loop and I called that guy and i was like, I think I liked you.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah. Uh-huh.
Kate: So I'm like, really sorry, but like, I actually am kind of dating somebody now. So I just want to let you know that like, I'm sorry that I liked you. I've been hitting on you for like last year it was very funny. We're still friends.
Viv: Hey, I will say does.
Kate: It's like, that's the stuff we got through on our long runs. Like we were training for worlds that year and it was a very healthy talk that Sarah and I had. So, you know, relationships, mental health, it all comes out, you know?
Viv: Yeah, I mean – Oh, I think wilderness too.
WILD ONEZ: Trail-train is therapy for sure.
Viv: Like how – guess I've got a question for both of you.
Kate: Oh yeah.
Viv: How has your guys' mental health improved with now doing swim run? And I know I think we've like all dove into like the trail running and ultras and stuff like that. Like, because it's it's completely changed for me.
Kate: Well, if I train, you know, it's great. I haven't trained for a year and a half, so I'll let you know at Worlds next year once I start training again.
Viv: Okay,
WILD ONEZ: In like five months. Is it five months?
Kate: Yeah, i'm I started training. I started like two training runs. The 50k was one of them. And then a swim.
Viv: you're on it.
Kate: Yeah, basically ready.
WILD ONEZ: Well, when you come for the four byf four by 48, we'll have a good training weekend then. So that will be great.
Kate: Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm excited.
WILD ONEZ: That's coming up soon.
Kate: Well, I'll tell you if it's majestic then.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: But yes, it is majestic.
WILD ONEZ: Mm-hmm.
Kate: I love the trails. I know Sarah is like, I can personally tell from all the times i' seen Sarah since her living in Denver, her being close to nature as an external perspective. She is popping off queen.
Kate: She is in her element in the woods.
WILD ONEZ: fifty
Kate: So yeah.
WILD ONEZ: Oh my gosh. Yeah, i like, i think at like a, like my baseline level of like happiness and just like fulfillment is a lot just higher living in the mountains and not like being with the hustle and bustle of traffic in Denver and also quitting my job, I think helped a lot.
WILD ONEZ: I think that put a lot of like stress on my life.
Kate: Heck yeah.
WILD ONEZ: in my training. And sitting in a car for seven hours a day, i just, I don't know how that could be good for anybody. And so I think that was really like mentally and physically draining for me.
WILD ONEZ: And then, yeah, getting to live out here and wake up and look at Mount Princeton every morning, it's definitely, definitely a good for the mental health.
Kate: It's rough.
Viv: really rough
Kate: Really rough. Must be nice. It's fine.
WILD ONEZ: You guys are welcome to come visit whenever you want.
Kate: i you You did hear I'm moving into a i'm moving to storage unit, so i I am expecting your houses.
WILD ONEZ: We have two You left
Kate: I yeah i said my parents' houses, but yours is one that I'm relying on for parts of September.
WILD ONEZ: your bedroom.
Viv: yeah they go
Kate: so him
WILD ONEZ: Amazing. Yeah.
Viv: It's, like, I think just being in nature is really just not only just healing, but, like, we're we're just meant to be out in it. And, like, I mean, least here in Louisiana, like, there's there's nature here. It looks a little bit different. not as hilly as Colorado.
Kate: So green though, it's so green.
Viv: It's little...
WILD ONEZ: It is very green.
Viv: It's so green, but just like going outside for a walk, like that does so much.
WILD ONEZ: miss that.
Viv: Like I was so tired today and little cranky earlier in the day. and I was just like, I'm take the dogs for a walk. We'll see how this goes. And it literally was 10 minutes outside, but I was like, this makes such a difference.
Kate: Dude, I've been taking my friends' dogs to take them on walks just to get myself out of my apartment because like I, since I work from home, it's really hard for me to do that. like I don't get motivated or I'll like go work out and come home just sit on my butt for hours in my little cocoon on the couch and not move.
WILD ONEZ: ahead
Kate: So it's like, I have been stealing dogs cause I don't like to walk by myself, but I like to walk with dogs. And so I will do that cause it helps so much. Like otherwise I'm just looking, mean, right now I'm reading, which is good, but otherwise I'm on my phone scrolling or watching TV and that's not fun and that's not good for my brain.
Kate: So going outside, man, sunshine is a game changer. Sunshine like just revives me. Vitamin D.
WILD ONEZ: The big D in the sky.
Kate: C, whatever it is. The big D. We love some big D.
WILD ONEZ: love the big D. I
WILD ONEZ: don't even remember where I heard that from first, but that lives in my brain forever. no but
Kate: yeah
WILD ONEZ: oh
WILD ONEZ: i love that. Okay, so...
Viv: How, oh no, all you, all you, rock, paper, scissors.
WILD ONEZ: oh go find Go for it.
Kate: Are you tired?
Viv: Wait, get one more, more.
WILD ONEZ: You know what's funny is that I completely forgot what I was going add.
Kate: You're tired again!
Viv: Okay. Okay.
Kate: Alright, Viz.
Viv: okay All right. No, I was just going to – yeah, Kate is now the podcast, so it's –
Kate: Otherwise, start asking questions. I can turn it around.
Kate: prefer it that way. I don't like being asked questions. So...
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Viv: you're doing it You're doing amazing. i Well, again, like you were – I say this about everybody, but really we have really great people in our lives and like you are a gem of a human. And just hearing your story of either getting into new endurance sports, everything that like every kind of hurdle that you personally faced or physically faced too is really cool to hear about. And I think everybody should hear about who how who you are and how amazing you are Yeah. and you've, and you've kind of like been just like, so but you're a badass in general.
Viv: And when, when you, when you are like big if fee being a female in endurance sports is like one thing, but like how, how have you kind of seen, like, have you faced any pressures being a female and in sports, but not only like endurance sports that like, I guess you,
Kate: Thank you.
Kate: I mean, definitely in college, because rowers weren't very cool. They thought we were the European freaks, because most of our team was European. But yeah, I think they just, I mean, we were...
Kate: definitely there for title nine reasons. Part of partially our team was pretty good back in the day, right before I started rowing and then it went downhill, but don't talk about that.
Kate: Our team was actually pretty good when I was there too. we had, we've actually rowed and I'm still friends with some people that are Olympians, which is pretty cool. But I feel like that was the biggest thing is like, people like don't really know what rowing is.
Viv: That's awesome.
Kate: Or like they know boys of the boat. So that's like a pretty big thing, especially when the movie came out.
Viv: Mm-hmm.
Kate: But again, that's all men. so I feel like people are like, Oh, rowing. What's that? Otherwise, i think I actually say this a lot. I'm in a very male. Are you guys still there?
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: Okay. It just went silent for a sec. Something turned off. anyway, I'm in a very male, very male dominated, like degree and work. So I feel like i don't really see the men as a competition or feel down. I feel like I actually like, like to compete with the guys,
Kate: especially in like strength things. because I'm like, I want to be as strong as them or stronger than them. And same with like rowing. I'm like, I rode, so going to be stronger than the guys at the gym faster. i used to be faster, not so much anymore.
Kate: Cause I'm not big and into running, but swimming, I'll still do that. Or like breath holding when I do like the deep end and underwater fitness stuff, I would definitely try to be the guy. So I feel like I've never, so I've never seen it as a weakness.
WILD ONEZ: Mm-hmm.
Kate: I feel like it's never really been used against me too much, or I've never taken it personally. i don't know. I feel like I've never feel felt threatened, but that's because I literally have only had male bosses.
Kate: I'm in a very male-dominated world. I went to an all-girls school where they talked all about empowerment, so I'm like, well, I'm just going to be my own person. and if and Also, with a lot of therapy, I've gained a lot of confidence.
Kate: and I'm just like, well, if you don't like me, that's fine, but I'm going to still beat you, and then I'm going figure out how. so yeah I feel like I haven't been too affected by
WILD ONEZ: I mean,
Kate: male dominance in sports. Luckily, at least I haven't personally felt very afflicted by it. Maybe if I did more like dual racing, like a men and women combo, I'd feel a little differently, but I've mainly done female races, like female partners for swim runs.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: So I don't know. I'll let you know if I feel threatened in the future offended.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah, I always love to hear like what people say about that question, because depending on like your upbringing and what you've been used to, either growing up with siblings, like like older brothers, younger brothers, or what kind of work field you're in, i feel like it's really good to get perspective from women on like where they feel about that.
WILD ONEZ: So thanks for sharing.
Kate: Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: Yeah. I feel like my dad, I mean, I grew up with all girls and my dad and my dad was very quiet, but very competitive. So I feel like he just instilled competitiveness in us and he wanted us to win and do well as females and like wanted us to go far and be badass females that we are.
WILD ONEZ: didn
Kate: So I feel like his support too. And my mom's support and just, yeah, everybody's support.
WILD ONEZ: I love that.
Kate: And I also, I'm probably oblivious that they were treating me and like treating me poorly.
WILD ONEZ: it's like
Kate: i probably wouldn't Cause I'm pretty dumb. and not very good at people skills. So I probably just didn't notice if I was.
WILD ONEZ: But that could be like a superpower though, like not knowing or feeling that also because you are so like strong.
Kate: Yeah. Ignorance is bliss. Ignorance is bliss, baby.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: tell you.
WILD ONEZ: I mean, I think the only thing where like, as a as like a girl or a woman that I've ever felt like I was held back is when I was younger, I really, really wanted to race dirt bikes.
WILD ONEZ: But my dad would not let me. He would not let me race with my brother and my cousin. he just, like, it was not a thing that I was able to do. But that was like that's, like, really the only thing looking back where I'm like –
Kate: That sucks.
WILD ONEZ: man, I feel like I missed out because of my gender. Like, that's really, like, the only time in my life that I think I felt that. At least that I'm remembering in this moment, and my brain's pretty tired, so.
Kate: That's fair. I just, I didn't really do any like male dominated sports.
WILD ONEZ: Definitely.
Kate: Like I was, I'm not a dirt bike early.
WILD ONEZ: Mm-hmm.
WILD ONEZ: Mm-hmm.
Kate: So, Yeah, that's interesting. Viv, what about you? Pippa.
Viv: Yes, Pippa is pipa's on the podcast right now. She's trying to eat everything in my office. So she's in air jail right now. For anybody who doesn't know, i will include Pippa on Instagram stories so everybody knows. We will we will do a a dog drop because Sarah's got some cute dogs. I've got some cute dogs too. So we'll eventually do that. But home for me growing up, like my mom and dad like taught us like we could literally do anything we we put our minds to. And I like – It wasn't so much like the guys in my life growing up that were like, oh, you can't do that.
Viv: But it was it was more so the girls that was like, oh, like, why are you even doing that? why are you even trying to do that?
WILD ONEZ: That's not a girly thing.
Viv: It's not – yeah, it's not a girly thing. Like, why are you trying to run that far?
Kate: dude, kickball.
Viv: why are you trying to play kickball? Like, why are you trying to do all these things that, like, girls – exactly. It was the best.
Kate: Let's have a kick.
Viv: Like,
Kate: I was like freaking good at kickball and four square. I was like queen of the core and tetherball.
WILD ONEZ: Right?
Kate: Like let's do some kickball or tetherball or something like that. When we go to our next to orcas orcas, we're doing some kickball.
Viv: Please, because like, it was so fun.
Kate: There's so much grass at the end. We can totally do it.
Viv: And like, i loved always being like that. And and now like in in my profession and also like, just like what I do as well. Like, i I think that I think that like, I could do it better than the boys.
Viv: Like I'm like, I show up and I'm like, i i know I can do it.
Kate: Oh, for sure, man.
Viv: Like, I can beat some guys. I'm like, I got this. and That was like my goal in the backyard ultra. I was like, all right, I love you guys, but I'm going to try and be as many men as I can today.
WILD ONEZ: I think that's where my competitive mind is at too.
Kate: As you should.
WILD ONEZ: yeah If anything, it makes you stronger.
Kate: Yeah, I like to like, like for me, it started a lot of that at Traverse was like, there's a lot of guys, I mean, especially in the five 15, there's a lot the moms, but there's a lot of strong guys that I was friends with like Australian rich.
Kate: And I mean, like I can just go through all of them. There's so many, both of the riches, Logan, there's too many guys at traverse that have inspired me to lift heavy.
Kate: But I feel like there's so many, I mean, even just Billy and KP, like coming up to you and being like, just giving you a heavier weight. I feel like that has also empowered me to like, just be stronger.
WILD ONEZ: mom
Kate: And like just being surrounded by people that are like, yeah, you're a badass woman can do badass things.
Viv: Oh, 100%.
Kate: I feel like that has helped too. Which so far, everybody that in swim run and traverse and all of all of our friends are very encouraging of that.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah, I love
Kate: They're like, let's go get dirty.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah, I love True Birth for that. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I like I think that changed a lot of my life as well as when I started going to traverse regularly. It was really empowering. Also, just I guess being in the tree industry also did that for me because it was such like it is such a male dominated field. And like, I had a lot of really good mentors when I started climbing. And I'm like, super grateful for that. They never really saw gender as like a something that like held me back.
WILD ONEZ: They taught me just the same as they would teach anybody else. And like, I really appreciated that. And i I learned a lot and I did really well because of that. But not, yeah, just, yeah, everybody has different opportunities with that and different mentors and everything.
WILD ONEZ: But that was very empowering.
Kate: For sure.
WILD ONEZ: I will say it definitely changed how I operate, how my brain operates anyways.
Kate: I have always thought I'd be a really hot guy though. Like, man, if I was a guy, like my sister, I would be tan, blonde, ripped, like, gosh darn it.
Viv: Maybe like the best like surfer bro ever. You'd
WILD ONEZ: you
Kate: I know! but That's why I want to have babies that surf with somebody named mc Griffin. But, like, we all have surfer babies. That'll be really cute! I need surfer babies!
Viv: be like. They would be really cute.
Kate: Yeah!
Viv: You guys, you both have great genetics.
Kate: Tan blonde hair. but you need that. So, yeah. Just making that happen. And anyway, yeah, always thought I'd be a really hot guy. But that's okay. Maybe I'll have hot boy children.
Kate: We'll see.
Viv: There you go now Now we're talking.
Kate: There'll be... Hands them no matter what.
Viv: Genetics, man.
Kate: Yeah. Genetics. Hopefully. Fingers crossed.
Viv: Cross the fingers.
WILD ONEZ: you're funny
Kate: Crossing everything.
WILD ONEZ: tell me this is late on a sunday night without telling me this is late buts i oh
Kate: also like very deoxygenated. I did like two, I did a deep end workout and then I went to synchro practice. So like, I don't have a lot of oxygen in my brain. So I'm a little.
WILD ONEZ: We love that free brain cells.
Viv: That's wild.
Kate: Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah, it's great. No, you folks are going to love this episode.
Viv: We...
Kate: Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: It's a little chaotic. It's like us.
Kate: so like
WILD ONEZ: love this.
Viv: it It really, it really, this, this is a very personality episode.
Kate: Very chaotic.
WILD ONEZ: It's fitting.
Kate: It's a very Kate Milberg episode.
Viv: Like, if you
Kate: Very Kate Milberg. It checks out.
Viv: it's amazing.
Kate: I think if people make it to this point, I'm going to be very impressed. So, you know, like, subscribe if you make it
WILD ONEZ: Yeah, shoot us a text and let us know if you listen this long.
Kate: Thumbs up.
Kate: Yeah. Because, like, wow, I'm sorry. Yeah.
Viv: shoot us an Instagram DM and be like, I just heard you guys talk about this.
Kate: do yeah
Viv: Love you.
Kate: Love you.
WILD ONEZ: I mean, but I'm pretty sure it's like Apple Podcast or Spotify Podcast.
Viv: Or.
WILD ONEZ: One of the two now categorizes our podcast as comedy. So we go.
Kate: Oh.
Viv: we really get comedy?
Kate: Oh. Probably. Probably.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah. Yeah.
Kate: Oh, that's funny.
WILD ONEZ: I can't imagine why.
Viv: think it's, I really think it's just because we laugh like every other word. Yeah.
Kate: probably
WILD ONEZ: gosh.
Kate: ali that's funny
WILD ONEZ: Okay, so, all right, we left off around our first swim run, around your first swim run.
Kate: Oh, okay. Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: And so...
Kate: I was hooked.
Viv: you know I mean, you were hooked, but now like you also do not only trail runs, but we got to, we got to dive into deep end. How the the hell did you find deep end?
Viv: And can you explain what that is?
Kate: It was on swim run. Okay.
Viv: Explain what that is.
Kate: Yeah. So well, deep in, I don't actually run it anymore, but deep in fitness. Now it's like the people that I really do with in San Diego, they call it H2O fitness. but, it was basically these people in the Navy had gone out or as the Marines, Marine Corps, something in the military had gone out and they had done this like underwater practice. Cause like I now work with like a lot of guys who are going into the air force or the Navy and,
Kate: going to like basic training and then butts and they're like, okay, like they have requirements for swimming and breath holding and stuff like that. And all this crazy combat stuff. And I always blows my mind, but i love synchronized swimming and I grew up doing it. was like, i said, I was pretty good at holding my breath. Like the farthest I ever hold my breath was 75 meters. I'm trying to get back to that. I did 50 meters today, but I just love holding my breath and I love,
Kate: I love challenging myself and I'm a mermaid.
WILD ONEZ: That's impressive.
Kate: So I love being underwater. And so then I was at the swim run camp. Oh, it's unofficial is we are in North Carolina. Y'all were there too.
Viv: Yes.
Kate: And I was like, I've heard about this thing called deep and finish.
WILD ONEZ: Mm-hmm.
Kate: I want to start it. And, what's her name? The one with the twin. Now I'm blanking from, yeah, fatumma Fatima, Fatima.
Viv: Fatima.
Kate: I was like, Oh, I've done that. and I was like, Oh my gosh, cool. And she's like, you should do. i was like, okay. And so I literally was on their website and, I was like, should I just like email them?
Kate: because they have like a, if you want to start a thing, email us here. And so I did, and i did like a contact email thing. And then next thing you know, I'm on a zoom call with the founder of it. And then after that, I'm starting it up in Denver.
Kate: And so I started it for about nine months. It just wasn't economical for me.
WILD ONEZ: That was so fun.
Kate: It was very fun. It just, Denver's really hard. We don't have a lot of pools.
WILD ONEZ: Mm-hmm.
Kate: Pool access is very limited. So now I just do it for fun and do meetups with a lot of people like Colin Chahtier, who's a big breathwork guy and Bo who owns the 23 or i guess Arsenal now.
Kate: So they're like kind of two main guys to do it. And then another guy, Nick, who is training to go into the Air Force. That's who I did with today.
Viv: Nice.
Kate: But we meet up at this awesome pool. Yeah, mean, just go hold our breath for a very long time. And it's really fun. And it really is, there's a science behind it that I want to get more into the science and learning more about it.
Kate: Like I'd love to start my own company eventually, or like training program. I just need to do more science and technical work about like the CO2 tolerance and breath work aspects because I just don't know the science well enough to feel ready to teach it.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: But I know how to make people feel miserable underwater.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: yeah. I do like that. I've always said I wanted to be, it i've always wanted to be like a personal trainer or a coach, but I, I get angry at people too easily.
WILD ONEZ: good workout.
Kate: Kind of like I get angry at myself. I'm like, cannot, I need to hold 35 pound weights. We were only a holding 25. Like, yeah, no, I would yell at my clients too much. So if they're underwater, it's lot easier to not yell at them.
Kate: So that's how can do it in the pool. And yeah, it's really fun. I love doing it.
Viv: That's wild.
Kate: And i love I love swimming and love teaching people to get confident in the water. So that's why i love deep end. That's like a newer thing.
Viv: That's really cool.
Kate: So, yeah.
Viv: Have you found that that has helped you in your like in like swim run and en trail running?
Kate: I wish, you know, if I was running, if I was running with it, I think I would feel a lot better.
WILD ONEZ: I think it did. Personally. Yeah.
Kate: But in like my workouts, I feel weight, like I feel very strong. I know how to breathe a lot better. I think if I hadn't stopped cardio, pretty cool turkey, I'd feel better. So hopefully if I keep doing it with training and doing cardio while I'm doing it, they'll be better.
Kate: Viv, it's your sound. You turn off your mic and it gets silent on my side. It's so weird. You have like a background fan or something or
Viv: Oh, I'm so sorry. it's Well, it's it's just when it's when it's when Pippa decides to growl or bark, I'm like, I don't want everybody on the podcast to get like blasted by either her bark collar or she's called Pipsqueak for a reason.
Kate: It's a white noise and I really like it. Yeah.
Viv: like
Kate: fair.
Viv: Girl can hit some high pitches, man.
WILD ONEZ: That's so fitting.
WILD ONEZ: she
Kate: That's fair. Anyway, sorry, I just got distracted by the white noise in the background that I really enjoy coming from your computer.
Viv: Okay, i'll leave it.
Kate: Anyway, where was that? What was your question, Sarah? More about swimrun? and What else?
WILD ONEZ: Oh, yeah.
Kate: Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: Okay. Okay. So, like, we left off around after your first swim run race and, like, kind like, your endurance story.
Kate: yeah
WILD ONEZ: And what I was going to ask is what has, like, what have you noticed that's changed for you since then with swim run, with endurance sports, with life since since then?
Kate: Oh my God. a lot has changed.
WILD ONEZ: I know that's – it's really really open-ended. So, feel free to take that however you want.
Kate: So I've been through a lot of phases in my life.
Viv: ye take it Take it year by year.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: I'm like, you're going to here.
WILD ONEZ: Month by month.
Viv: Second by second.
Kate: going be here for a while. Cause there's like the 2023 Rage Kate era. Then there's the 2024 God knows what doing era. Started doing Griffin era.
Viv: Oh, yeah.
Kate: Now there's like 25, 25 year. was like, Kate didn't do anything, but raced a few times and didn't train at all. And now there's me who's, oh, should I have to train again? And I'm really out of shape. But no, I feel like I've changed so much and grown a lot because of swimrun.
Kate: I mean, it's like taught me how to fuel appropriately. I mean, the first swimruns, I was like eating frosting the night before. not a good idea. And like eating like shit.
Viv: Oh, remember those.
WILD ONEZ: I remember that.
Kate: Yeah. Yeah. I used to a lot of frosting. It was one of my bad things that I ate. I won't say bad. There's no bad foods, but it was not a good habit to have. I ate a lot of dessert in my eating disorder. So I thought it was a great way to feel for a race because I was still pretty deep in my eating na disorder even after treatment.
Kate: until like 2024. So honestly, not that long ago. But swimrun helps me with it a lot. And like learning that it's okay to eat fuel. And now I need to eat fuel. The best fuel for swimrun is actually an almond croissant from a French bakery in Cannes, France.
Viv: Ooh.
WILD ONEZ: o
Kate: I highly recommend it with a shot of espresso. Best swimrun I've ever had.
WILD ONEZ: Before or after the race?
Kate: that's still a That was before.
Viv: That's true, yeah.
Kate: I showed up at Cannes at midnight, had go to my hotel,
WILD ONEZ: Before.
Kate: And I had no food and I didn't speak French, but there was a French bakery open at 6.45 in the morning. And I got that because there's no food that was open.
Viv: There you go.
Kate: And I didn't pack oatmeal. Are you kidding me? I'm not that smart. And so, yeah. But yeah, it's taught me much about fueling. I mean, rest and recovery. Didn't realize that you shouldn't be swimming like every day and running every day because that's what I used to do. I used to swim every single day at least 4,800 meters.
Kate: which is three miles. If you didn't know that it's just takes at least about an hour and a half. And I was miserable.
Viv: Uh-huh.
Kate: I like pride myself to the end of the set did that for like four years. So we realized that you only swim a few times so he can still be as fast or even faster. Yeah.
Kate: yeah I learned how to chill, you know, swim run after world. I really got burnt out. I hadn't gotten that burnt out after a sport since probably rowing. And even rowing, I wasn't crazy burnt out.
Kate: but I was really burnt out with running and swimming and I'm still trying to get through it. I like, don't know why sometimes run some sign up for these races. Cause I'm not sure how much I actually like trail running a lot of times. I like swimming a lot, but it's still, uh, nothing on two 50 Ks. I said, i never do another one. and I did another one anyway, but,
Kate: I don't love running, especially when I'm not in shape, but I don't know. I, I, uh, I think I've learned that like, I just like the other important parts of training and like having balance and variety. Like this year I've been doing a lot of like yoga sculpt classes, which has been really fun changing it up. Like finding that like not one workout is end all be all.
Kate: and exercise is not your whole life. I think swim runs really cool. Cause it's like, yes, you're to swim really fast people. but there's also like a lot of normal people who don't actually saw Fiona at the pool this morning. I met her in person today.
Kate: That that was fun.
WILD ONEZ: Aww.
Kate: Yeah, it was fun.
Viv: so fun.
Kate: But yeah, I think it's just cool. Cause there's like, I don't know, I've learned you don't, you can be uber competitive, but you can also be very chill. And like, I can be really fast and I can be very geared in if I want to, but I also don't have to be like a last year of not being super geared in was awesome. And now this year I'm ready to get geared in again.
Kate: Hopefully we'll see working on it I'm gearing in the gearing is gearing up.
Viv: The gearing is going.
Kate: Yeah. Slowly turning the chain, but yeah.
WILD ONEZ: I think take like and think taking breaks from swimrun in sport is actually really important. Like last year, i think taking a break from swimrun, besides for the first and the last races of the season, was like a really healthy thing for me to give myself the opportunity to like have space outside of like just training all the time.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: Yeah.
Kate: Yeah. Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: i think that's it is.
Kate: It's a lot. I also love strength training. So like for me, it's really hard because i love strength training.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: And it's really hard for me to keep that up with running because swimming is fine, but my body is really not meant to run. So like my legs really like I went on seven mile run with Anna, five mile run with Anna.
Kate: I was fast too with her and Colin, but Oh my God, like five miles at a not very fast pace, but I'm just not in shape. Like it crushed me for like two days. And so,
Kate: it's hard to find that balance and get back into it. And like swim mentoring does take a lot. It's a lot of time like running by the time, like and when you're doing 6,000 meters, like you by the end of the year, you're doing 4,000 meters minimum, 6,000 meters at least once week.
Viv: Oh, yeah.
Kate: Like that takes a lot of time. Like, unfortunately I'm not Kayla or Kavika fast. Like maybe someday i will be, but until then i don't have a torpedo making me go faster.
Kate: so I'm not doing that.
WILD ONEZ: Kate's really good swimmer, Kate.
Viv: Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: Definitely don't, don't undersell yourself on that.
Kate: Oh, thank you.
Viv: I want to tether to you literally every swim run. I'm like, look, where's Kate? I just want to tether to her right now.
WILD ONEZ: Maybe we'll just, right.
Kate: as long as I can
WILD ONEZ: Maybe we'll just have like a big four, four some race for worlds.
Kate: we did that we should do that yeah yeah but Mary and I want to beat you guys so just kidding but maybe
WILD ONEZ: We'll just tell her to you.
Viv: Can we do that?
WILD ONEZ: And then you can tell her to us for runs.
Viv: I'm done.
WILD ONEZ: Is that your goal?
Kate: I think that's why we also got into it.
WILD ONEZ: This just comes out.
Kate: Well, we were like, crap, we actually have to be fast because you guys have a high goal. So we're like, that means we have to have a high goal. I was no, no, now no, no.
WILD ONEZ: You can just chill and have fun too.
Viv: Just, Kate's like, absolutely not, no, not happening.
WILD ONEZ: mean, just have, like redeem yourself from the last time.
Kate: One of the main reasons was that
WILD ONEZ: That was hell.
Kate: Yeah, but we got to go faster.
Viv: Oh my gosh, yeah.
Kate: The main reason I actually got really gone swimming one, two, one, A, i loved it. But I was really jealous that you guys got to go to the freaking NC race. And I was like, oh, whatever, it's fine.
Kate: And I was like, I'm going to go beat them. And so I think at North Carolina, that's when Mary and I, was our first race. And we're like, let's freaking go.
Viv: Oh, like, like James, and I was like,
Kate: and we ended up racing at Lake James. And it was really fun. But Mary and I had like the best day. And like, i one of you guys had major gut issues. I don't remember. i think it's Sarah.
WILD ONEZ: No, I was, my lungs were dead.
Viv: Sarah couldn't breathe.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: Sarah, like, had just gotten, like, off pneumonia or something, and, like, they've just burnt they just burned, like, fresh.
WILD ONEZ: i couldn't breathe.
Kate: Oh yeah, your your lungs are treated. But yeah, it was okay.
WILD ONEZ: Okay. hi think about this race every now and again.
Viv: It was so bad. Yeah.
WILD ONEZ: And the fact that I literally redlined for a straight seven hours. Like I look back at my data from that race and my average heart rate was like 176. I don't even know how I survived that.
Kate: I did that the next year. you remember how did that next year? I was like coughing. It was Lake James. I was sick and Austin. Two different times.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: I think I had like either COVID or coughing, pneumonia, something like that. Yeah, we've raised through some weird stuff.
Viv: Something, yeah.
Kate: I had to swim backstroke the last time I did like James because I thought I couldn't swim anymore. That's how bad it was. I tried to have Mary lead and I tried to lead with backstroke also. It doesn't work. Let me tell you, don't lead with backstroke.
Kate: it It's not good.
Viv: Were you swimming backstroke with paddles?
Kate: That's okay. Yes, and I was trying to lead. like i was Mary was behind me and I was trying to lead with backstroke.
Viv: Oh man, oh my lanta.
Kate: Yeah, it doesn't work. Yeah, Lake Dreams is cursed for our lungs.
WILD ONEZ: Put that on your list of things not to try.
Viv: Yeah, we're hoping, we're hoping maybe, so Lake James is, plot next 2027, Lake James is coming back.
Kate: Yeah. Next year!
Viv: I don't know if it's going to be the one and only time. However, everybody needs to show up for that race because it is the, it is such a fun race.
Kate: I can't wait.
Viv: Like the course, everything.
Kate: the best race.
WILD ONEZ: I feel like... I need to go back so I can just remember any part of it and not feel so like I'm suffering and dying for the entire thing.
Kate: You don't remember just like sliding down like the mud piles and then like much shedding way.
WILD ONEZ: Like, I don't remember.
Viv: no
WILD ONEZ: I don't remember a single thing from that race.
Kate: And you're like, Kristen, why did you put, why did you put the trail here? There's no trails there.
Viv: There's no trail, there is, yeah.
Kate: We see, we see like maybe a machete, like some trees 10 meters away, like half a mile away now. and then you're like, well, you guys are crazy, but it's the best race ever.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: And it's so fun. I'm so excited. April, what is it? April 24th or 20 something.
Viv: April, oh yeah, April 2027 though, where we got it we got a year.
Kate: 25th? Lesson 365.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Viv: almost three sixty five
WILD ONEZ: yeah
Viv: lesson three sixty five
Kate: So exciting. Mm-mm-mm.
Viv: so It's going to be fun.
Kate: soside i
Viv: It's going party. So you heard it here or maybe somebody else's podcast. I'm sure the boys have maybe mentioned it or somebody in passing. But Swim Run Lake James, the Wild Ones podcast, and Kate and Mary.
Kate: and
Viv: Are we going to convince Mary to do this one?
Kate: but Mary will be there. She loves the extremes. I mean, i that's when I just...
WILD ONEZ: That's right.
Viv: All four of us will be there.
Kate: You have to go see Mike and Patsy.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: I mean, duh. Obviously, Viv, I'm sorry you're not allowed to stay there, but Sarah, you can stay with us.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Viv: That's totally fine.
Kate: so
Viv: That's fine.
WILD ONEZ: Wait, I can't- wait, why can't Vid stay?
Kate: Because she's too loud. you remember when we first met Mike and Patsy?
WILD ONEZ: Oh, wait.
Viv: remember Remember Mike? Mike hadn't even met me yet.
Kate: like as long as this Like, as long as it's not the loud one.
Viv: He goes, as long as the loud one doesn't stay here.
WILD ONEZ: I'm not lying when I said I don't remember anything from this race.
Kate: We were all lying around in a circle and I made friends with Mike and Patsy, our homies. And now we love Mike and Patsy.
WILD ONEZ: Uh-huh.
Viv: Yes.
Kate: They're they another one I'm going to go stay with.
Viv: they go Everybody except for the loud one can come.
Kate: Yeah, everyone except for the loud one.
Viv: Yep, that was me.
WILD ONEZ: I think I vaguely remember that. That's hilarious.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: Yeah, and i I am the loud one. Anybody at any swim run race or trail race knows you can hear me coming.
Kate: But we love.
Viv: and
Kate: I thought I was loud and then I did Rockman with you, Viv.
WILD ONEZ: It's great.
Kate: And I was like, oh, actually I'm loud in my head, but I actually am not that loud. Like you are louder than I am.
WILD ONEZ: It's great. Honestly... I love it for the entertainment. it's It's great.
Kate: Yeah, i just don't sing out loud anymore because all the songs that I sing out loud in my head, Mary doesn't know because she wasn't she wasn't into high school musical or camp rock. was little too old for her. So I just sing it in my head now.
Kate: Or like the wheels on the bus go round and round.
Viv: Oh.
Kate: I did sing that during the last ultra. i didn She probably does, but I think she'd kill me.
WILD ONEZ: Does she not know that one? Oh, last ultra.
Kate: i think she, the last ultra I did that one.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: Yeah. The wheels on the bus was a, was a good one.
WILD ONEZ: I can just picture you swinging that in Colorado.
Viv: That's hilarious.
WILD ONEZ: like but i got the visual.
Kate: Yeah. So on that Canyon. Great, great time.
Viv: It's fine. It's fine.
WILD ONEZ: wish I wish I would have remembered that.
Kate: Whatever gets you through.
WILD ONEZ: that would You know, that's a really good motivating saying. I'm going to start using that. Sometimes when I'm swimming, I'm just like, just keep swimming, swimming, swimming.
Kate: Oh, yeah, that's a good one.
Viv: That's exactly my internal monologue. I'm just like, you can do hard things.
Kate: But you know what?
Viv: Just
Kate: It is so good for swimming. is the first song in Frozen. All the dirt and winter in the ice and they're chopping the ice. It's such a good rhythm. i Every single time I used to count and now I just listen to that song.
Viv: That?
Kate: i Actually, like sometimes we'll add other words to it, but every swim I'm just powering through like I'm going through the Arctic.
Viv: That's a good one.
Kate: I'm like, boom. And it's such a good rhythm to swim to. Like it matches my stroke perfectly. Cause just keep swimming does not match my stroke. And I gotta like, if I just keep swimming, swimming, swimming, that, that doesn't go well.
Viv: Oh.
Kate: So my stroke would be all off, but yeah, listen to frozen man.
WILD ONEZ: That's probably it. Yeah.
Kate: It's a good one.
Viv: Frozen's a great movie too.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: I feel like it's very underrated. Apparently, wait, is there a Frozen 3? There's Frozen 3.
Kate: No, just two.
Viv: Is there a Frozen 4?
Kate: There's only frozen two.
Viv: Okay, and then there's, I think there's a Frozen 3 that's coming or another something or whatever.
Kate: Maybe. oh that would be amazing.
Viv: Right?
Kate: I would love that. I love that. Sarah, you look like you're about to go to bed. Your lights are off.
WILD ONEZ: It's getting, yeah.
Viv: The sun is setting in Colorado.
Kate: No, you can go to bed. It's okay. Sleep, Sarah, sleep.
WILD ONEZ: What does he like?
WILD ONEZ: I only have work two days this week, but going to be really busy.
Kate: Oh, I guess I know have to work.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: Oh, because you're yeah you're getting married. da your family's coming to town. I'm going to Texas tomorrow. I'm thinking if I should see if I can run with Jared. I think he'll be right by Meta or whatever he works at.
Kate: But I don't know how much time I have.
Viv: Oh, yeah.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: I like to plan this trip on Thursday.
Viv: Oh.
Kate: So I don't know if I can actually work.
Viv: Oh.
WILD ONEZ: Where do you win there for?
Kate: Last minute work trip.
WILD ONEZ: are.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: Oh, I love that. I like also like swim run.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: Like there we have so many friends everywhere that that like
Kate: I know. Well, that's, that's, I'm like, do I go see anybody? Cause then I'm like, well, if I see one person, then just have to see all these people. I'm like, there's a lot of people in Austin and I can't and see them all.
WILD ONEZ: there are
Viv: there There are. You got to pick like one or two and just be like, all right, I'll see you next time. you made You made the list.
Kate: I know.
Viv: You didn't make the list.
Kate: I know. I'm like, I could probably see Amy if she's at work. Cause I could run to campus and Jared, Jared.
Viv: Oh, there we go
Kate: Cause he like works downtown, but like anybody else, I don't know where they are. So yeah, we'll see.
Viv: we go. Have you guys been watching Amy's Takeover on the Instagram?
Kate: Yeah.
Kate: Yes.
WILD ONEZ: Mm-hmm. then
Kate: Yeah. I'm so pumped her and Matt.
Viv: I've been... Oh, they're racing together.
Kate: I can't wait. and know. I also love the shade that she threw at Trista for becoming race director. Cause like, yeah, that sucks. Trista, you're a loser for leaving, for just like leaving us for not racing with us.
Viv: for For leaving leaving her.
Kate: Like it's kind of rude and like not staying with us anymore, but it's fine. It's not a big deal. It's not like we're mad or anything.
Viv: no we're very proud of her. and We love our race director, Trista.
Kate: We're proud of her. We're proud of you, Trista.
Viv: Trista.
Kate: We love you
Kate: We do. No, it's amazing. and I'm excited that they're racing. It'll be fun. Or because it's going a blast. There's so many of us going.
Viv: It's going be...
WILD ONEZ: And it's going to be a party. And it's the weekend after my birthday. So it's really going to be a party.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: be so fun.
Kate: Let's It'll fun.
Viv: I'm so excited.
WILD ONEZ: Yep.
Kate: You're going to be married and you're going to 30. who Whoa. Whoa. You're adulting for real.
WILD ONEZ: May is a busy month, y'all.
Viv: Whoa.
Kate: Yeah. It's
WILD ONEZ: Busy month.
Viv: I mean, but what's new? Like,
Kate: true. May is busy.
Viv: same old, same old.
Kate: Crazy, crazy.
Viv: Oh, God.
Kate: And it'll be worlds because the world is in like four months.
Viv: Oh my gosh.
Kate: And it's actually four months, not five. May, June, July, August.
WILD ONEZ: Is it Ford?
Kate: Four months in a week. Four months and four days.
Viv: This is wild.
WILD ONEZ: That's actually insane.
Kate: So I better get my ass into shape. Okay, guys what's your training? Actually, I know your training plan is called Marcus.
Viv: Marcus Martin. I've been lifting and swimming and running.
Kate: Yeah, Marcus.
Viv: But, like, I think I told you this, too, at Rockman last year. was, like, again, Louisiana's flat. We don't have a lot of trails. We have a lot of hills.
Kate: Yeah, lifting now, baby.
Viv: And so, like... Lifting was the only reason I was able to survive Rockman. That and the stair climber, like, stair stepper. You can do these races, and and but you just have to know the right tools to use, I think, is, like, what it boils down to.
Kate: Yes.
Viv: Because, like, you can you can do it.
Kate: Or you can...
Viv: Like, people are like, oh, it's an excuse, blah, And I'm like, no. Like, if you if it's something you really want to do I mean, that too.
Kate: You can just not train.
Kate: You can also show up and swim and run like I do for every race so far.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: I think I trained for World.
Viv: See?
Kate: 2024 I trained. Rockman, I didn't train that much, Viv. That's why you pulled me up those hills.
Viv: I know, but you pulled me across a few words, so it was okay.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: It worked out.
Kate: yeah Yeah. It worked out well. Yeah.
Viv: was like, I'm so glad Kate's leading this one right now.
Kate: No. Those are fun slims. I like those slims. But yeah, no, it's true. You can definitely make it work. I mean, there's, you can make anything work.
WILD ONEZ: forgot that I was signed up for that.
Kate: Get creative. Oh yeah. I know.
Viv: That's wild. All right.
Kate: That was great.
Viv: I one final question for you.
Kate: Okay.
Viv: Are you ready?
Kate: ready.
Viv: What's one thing that I guess one piece of advice that you would give anybody wanting to try a new sport, especially a woman getting into endurance sports?
Kate: Oh, I would say i'm like a full sun person. I also have major ADHD and so I don't think about anything. So, and I just do it. So I think just doing and putting yourself out there, that's kind of how I approach life.
Kate: I always say, beg forgiveness, don not ask permission. So like, I kind of am just a person who will like put myself out there and do it, even though it's probably not always the right thing to do. And I think if you're scared,
WILD ONEZ: She's so self-aware.
Kate: I don't know. just think putting yourself out there, I, even if I'm afraid to do it, I'll do it because i and generally have fun. It's like swim runs. Do i actually love intro running?
Kate: Do I love trail running? Do I love running? Still questionable, but I just sign up and I do it. And like, I have a great time.
WILD ONEZ: mean, if
Kate: Like it's, it's always an adventure. And even though it's scary and I don't want to do it, like you can hear me at every start line.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: I'm like oh my God, I'm going to do this. I can't do this. I have major anxiety like at the start line, but you know, you always make it through. And even if you like finish last or you have to walk the whole thing, i think it's just fun to experience new things and try new things.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: I don't know. I get bored really easily. So I'm just a go-getter and like a try at once and then you'll probably do it again. Like I do.
Viv: yeah and again Again and yeah again
Kate: Yeah. And again, again, and again The only one I might not redo is high rocks, but I might do that. if I really didn't like high rocks. I didn't like running in a convention center.
Viv: Oh.
Kate: Outdoor sports are made that way better. But yeah, I don't know.
Viv: Good to know.
Kate: I think as as a female, just like, just be brave, just be brave and believe in yourself. I think believing in yourself is the best way to find yourself and try new things.
Kate: I think you can find yourself by trying new things. I've gone a lot, very far in my life by trying a lot of things I didn't like. like how I've got my job today. Like I tried to be an engineer for six years, seven, seven, almost eight years, found out I didn't like to be an engineer. You know, I needed to be in sales and talk to people all day and I'm much happier.
Kate: The happiest I've been in a long time. so you just got to like, keep trying those things. And if you don't try something new and you say complacent, that's where you really get stuck. I think complacency is like one of our biggest, comforts it's comfort, it's comfortable. And it's also like a big crutch that people,
Kate: will stick you because like, oh it works, so I'm not gonna change it. But I don't think it's the way to find happiness and find who you really are. So just go for it and try something new.
WILD ONEZ: I like that.
Viv: That was really good.
Kate: Yay.
Viv: That
Kate: Welcome to my TED Talk.
WILD ONEZ: That was really good advice.
Kate: Thank you very much.
Viv: was awesome.
WILD ONEZ: I'm fully taking that to heart.
Viv: We're
WILD ONEZ: That was amazing.
Kate: You should. I mean, you guys have both done that in a lot.
Viv: doing
Kate: Like, since the five years I've known you guys, you both have, like, taken risks. which is amazing. And look at you now, doing amazing things, living lives, living the cool lives, doing the things.
Viv: the things. Hey, we're here. a
WILD ONEZ: The growing and trying new things never stops.
Viv: we're here
WILD ONEZ: And I think that's what makes living life so rich.
Kate: Yeah. Oh yeah, exactly. Like I never want to be bored and I never want to stop learning. And I think let's try new things is another way of learning.
Viv: Yeah.
Kate: Yeah. Keep our brains going.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: They are muscles. You got to exercise these guys too, you know? Put yourself in danger.
Viv: Oh, absolutely.
Kate: They can get like, oh no, it's working. Danger, fight or flight. Actually, maybe not do that. But anyway.
Viv: Not, if you are, wear your helmet. Please wear your helmet and have your emergency contact ready.
Kate: yeah the Don't worry if you're worried.
Viv: hey actually.
Kate: I will find your friends. Add me. I'm very good at making sure people are safe.
Viv: Yes, 100%.
WILD ONEZ: It's true.
Kate: That's really just.
WILD ONEZ: Kate's going to be the first one to know if I'm ever missing.
Kate: Yeah. Sarah is like the one I just check in occasionally. I'm like, oh, she's still in Buena Vista. Okay, we're good. She's not lost.
Viv: She's, or she's in the middle of the forest and you're like, huh, she must be on a trail.
WILD ONEZ: I'm wearing the furthest.
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: She has to be on a trail.
Kate: Yeah. And if don't you come back, and I'm like, okay, okay. But usually it's okay.
WILD ONEZ: Maybe I'll text Oh,
Kate: Yeah.
Viv: It's been a couple of hours.
Kate: Wait,
WILD ONEZ: but amazing. Well, thanks for so much. Thanks so much for joining us, Kate. It was pleasure talking to you.
Kate: wait.
WILD ONEZ: What?
Kate: Thank you. Can we all do one video like this?
Viv: Oh, yeah. Wait, hang on.
Kate: I'm gonna screenshot it.
Viv: I don't know if I can take a screenshot. Hang on. where Everybody, yeah everybody will.
Kate: I'm taking it.
WILD ONEZ: Yeah.
Kate: I got it. I'm taking it. I'll take the screenshot.
Viv: Everybody on the podcast is not going to know what we just did. sit If you guys saw our preview, if we all did our Kate chin.
Kate: my gosh. It's amazing.
Viv: And if you want to, Kate has an, in o if this was not brought up, but Kate has an Instagram for her chins.
Kate: Oh, yeah. I have Instagram. Instagram.
Viv: Instagram.
Kate: It's the best.
WILD ONEZ: It's great.
Viv: So
WILD ONEZ: well'll we'll take we'll We'll take Kate's chinta Instagram.
Viv: we'll definitely be tagging the chinstagram.
Kate: Make sure you tag me in it, please. Both all the Instagrams.
Viv: Absolutely.
WILD ONEZ: Oh, hilarious.
Viv: oh my gosh.
WILD ONEZ: Awesome. Well, thank you all.
Viv: Always a pleasure. We love you.
WILD ONEZ: Yes.
Kate: Yes, thank you. I should probably check on my veggies that have been in the oven for like two hours since I started talking to you.
WILD ONEZ: We love you, Kate.
Kate: Whoops. Hopefully that burned. I think it's squashed.
WILD ONEZ: Okay, well, we love you all.
Kate: I don't think I smell smoke.
WILD ONEZ: Bye!
Kate: I love you guys.
Viv: Catchy,
