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Lost Episode: Write'r'Wrong - Romancing the Stone & Argyle
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Many moons ago a podcast's transcript was written, then lost to time, buried by catastrophe outside humanities control (Max and Mitch recorded a podcast and then didn't get a chance to edit it because of the hiatus). Now, the transcript is unearthed and released upon the world, coming at a time most dire (Max and Mitch messed up this weeks podcast so are releasing the recently edited lost episode to make up for a lack of content).
Max and Mitch are primed to adventure and write as they swing their way into romance with a man who poaches bird in Romancing the Stone (1984). They then write some espionage books only to realise their imaginations are so bad that they can only write about real events in Argyle (2024).
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:07
Speaker
Welcome to Blockbuster, the movie review podcast where a writer asks an animator, am I as obnoxious as the media portrays me? I'm the writer, of Mitch. And I'm the animator, apparently,
Are Writers Obnoxious?
00:00:19
Speaker
Max. And today we're looking at Romancing the Stone and Argyle.
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey, Max, I have a question for you. Yeah. Are writers as obnoxious as the media portrays them to be? um Well, you a writer or are you a novelist? Poconos dos.
00:00:52
Speaker
um I don't know. I don't know that many writers. I'm more of a screenwriter, if any. I'm more of a screenplay, a screenwriter. You can say screenwriter, playwright, screenwriter, works.
00:01:05
Speaker
I guess. um you r i g h t I mean, my sample size is pretty small, right? Well, how how and I know like a total of like three writers. That's ah that's a decent amount. of Well, percentage wise, how many of them are obnoxious, obnoxious? Name and shame. which Which one of them is me? ah The one name, the one named Mitchell is you. I love that one. He's a good one. Is he obnoxious? it's fine He's He's kind of like timid about sharing his work, so I wouldn't say he's out of noxious.
00:01:35
Speaker
Maybe am I obnoxious when it doesn't come to my actual writing? Yeah, but that's different. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. I'm i'm not obnoxious because I'm a writer. I'm a writer and I'm obnoxious. You're a writer because you're obnoxious.
Living Written Adventures
00:01:48
Speaker
Sure. Hey guys, welcome to the this episode where the theme today is writers who are way over in over the... where writers who can't read but this weekly episode. No, writers who are way over in their head. I wrote this wrong. That's the problem. Writers who are in way over their head. There we go. We're taking a look at two different times where writers got themselves mixed up in the adventures that they write about.
00:02:23
Speaker
ah Romance in the Stone, a classic drop Robbie Zed and Argyle.
00:02:33
Speaker
Not a classic. Also not Robbie Z. Matty V.
00:02:40
Speaker
oh Yeah, I mean, look, it's kind of a personal topic for me because I consider myself a writer. i so I study writing, as I've mentioned multiple times on this podcast and I enjoy it. It's very fun. I don't do it nearly as much as I should. ah And honestly, though,
00:03:01
Speaker
When when people ask me why I'm a writer, I think about the fact that one day I'm going to write something or something's going to happen and I'm going to end up having to live one of my own adventures. And that's that's exciting.
00:03:12
Speaker
ah So, yeah. It's good to see my dream realized in film form. How about you, Max? What do you think? Um.
00:03:26
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think it would be exciting to be involved in what you write about unless I wouldn't want to be involved. I haven't read some of your stuff and I don't know how exciting that would be for me personally, if I was in that.
Dark Comedy and Writing
00:03:38
Speaker
Very violent. One of the things you've read, yeah you didn't read the other one, which wasn't very violent. No, I read some of it. There was at least a murder. There was one murder. It was a murder mystery. What do you expect of me?
00:03:53
Speaker
I feel like it's not breaking the mold to put a murder in your murder mystery. I feel like if I was transported into things the things I write, it'd just be this weird sort of psychedelic trip. Where a pig becomes a football. Where a pig becomes a football. That's like yeah the one of the things I wrote.
Transition to Movie Discussion
00:04:14
Speaker
It's really messed up. It's not that messed up. I feel it's just it's it's very dark. i feel oh It's not. It's like it's a comedy.
00:04:24
Speaker
Yeah, a dark comedy. Yeah, but it's funny. Yeah, I didn't say it wasn't funny. I just said it's messed up. Anyway, instead of jerking our own gherkins, let's jerk these two directors gherkins and also the people who were in it. Yeah, Michael michael Douglas. Michael Douglas' gherkin is going to get so jerked. And Danny DeVito. Dude, Danny DeVito looking sexy. Let's go in. and We're going to jerk so many gherkins.
00:04:54
Speaker
I'm a big Pickles fan. ah So yeah, let's go right into the first film.
Romancing the Stone Synopsis and Insights
00:05:03
Speaker
Romancing the Stone, directed by the legend Robert Zemeckis and released in 1984, it stars Kathleen Turner, Michael Douglas, Danny DeVito, Zach Norman and Manuel Ogida. Max, what is Romancing the Stone about? Uh, Romancing the Stone is about a romance novelist Joan Wilder, whose sister gets kidnapped.
00:05:27
Speaker
um Why? Because her husband had a treasure map to some treasure, and Jiren has to go to Columbia to save her from the kidnappers. But while she's there, she falls in love with Michael Douglas. Like in a romance novel. And wouldn't we all though? We would all fall in love with Michael Douglas. I think we would all fall in love with Michael Douglas. Yeah. He's such an attractive man. I like how nowadays all he does is ah
00:05:59
Speaker
Ant-Man movies. Yeah. He just looks confused and every now and then just goes, pants, pants, you know. Remember that one time? Yeah, but like wouldn't you want to do that if you were an actor like on the verge of retirement? What? Just walk around saying pants. Yeah. And just getting a big fat paycheck every time you do it.
00:06:23
Speaker
Do you remember that? I would love that. But also do you remember that one time when Paul Rudd and Michael Douglas slapped their knees together and little slap their knees with their hands, sorry. And we're like ants. Ants. Ant-Man. Ants. Ants. Ant-Man. For the Ant-Man movie, that was like the promo.
00:06:46
Speaker
you don't remember that vaguely maybe I don't know I'll cut it in so people can hear what I'm talking about and then if you really want you can look it up later I know none of you do but there'll be more for my enjoyment wait I'm not editing this one anyway um this is what I would call a real fun action-adventure comedy romance action adventures more the spot focus on, but there is definitely romance in this as mentioned before. But yeah, it's, it's just really fun. It's it's romance of the action andad adventure variety. Exactly. Just like what ah Kathleen Turner writes about aka
00:07:32
Speaker
drone drone wilder. Sorry. I was looking for the character's name. Yeah. So no, this is really fun. This, uh, when did Indiana Jones come out? Like, um, really and that's a great question. i don't know um It would be before this 1981. So three years before this, and this feels very Indiana Jones Z.
00:07:54
Speaker
But it has enough of its own twist, enough of its own spin for it not to be like a carbon copy.
Character Analysis: Jack Colton
00:07:59
Speaker
First of all, no Nazis. So an easy and easy dog on that yeah aesthetic. ah Like Colombian secret police. Which is its our own cool thing. I dig it. But yeah, also this one has Danny DeVito and Indiana Jones can't claim that at all.
00:08:18
Speaker
um Let's just I don't I think like it definitely like is inspired by like the way that Indiana Jones sort of approached Like action adventure, but i I don't think it's it's trying to copy what it is I would yeah, I like but even down to like um Michael Douglas's character who actually don't know the name of Jack Jack team called Colton um Is not like a He's like ruggedly handsome, but not because he goes around exploring for ancient artifacts, like the the lost Ark of the Covenant, um but because he's like, I like boats.
Exotic Schemes and Zemeckis's Influence
00:09:03
Speaker
And hes he's looking for birds because he thought that'd be easy. He thought birds would be easy, but he really likes boats. Would you ever think that a way to get quick, rich quick would be birds? Would that ever be your first go-to?
00:09:18
Speaker
Um, no, but I've like, I think it was like a big thing for a while, right? It's like people. Yeah. Like there's all this stuff about like people wanting exotic birds cause they're like easy. He's like pets to like smuggle. Um, so you remember the movie rear. I never watched it, but I do remember it. That's like all that comes to mind when I like, I can think about like smuggled tropical birds. All those birds are dead.
00:09:48
Speaker
the real birds are all dead. They're extinct. Cool. Yep. That's not depressing. Yeah, nope. Not at all. But if you want to see one, you have to watch Rio now. The animated film Rio. Yep. ah But yeah, this movie.
00:10:06
Speaker
So Robert, you know Robert Zemeckis, right? The director? Yeah, he's probably one of the best directors. I am familiar with Robert Zemeckis. I would hope so. As a film lover, you kind of should be, you don't have to like him. I would never say you have to like anyone, but you should be kind of familiar with him. He was kind of a bit of a groundbreaking director for a lot of, for the family film, I'd say. He's done like a lot of work to just make really good, really fun,
00:10:34
Speaker
Uh, family entertainment. I mean, the most, I think the most famous would be back to the future. Um, all three of those, I believe. Oh, did I just fuck myself? on that He did that. He did it. i think He did. He did. he I believe he did. I'm fairly sure he did all three. I'm just wondering if I should, I'm like, one, two, three. Yes, he did he did it. Fantastic. Awesome. So he did. Yeah. He did back to the future. Um, but he also did, um,
00:11:01
Speaker
Uh, he also did who frame Roger Rabbit, which while Mary Poppins was the first to ever, I don't know if it was the first, but Mary Poppins is like an early example of mixing live action animation. I think there might be another one. You did also mention that was that one time where.
00:11:17
Speaker
That was the guy who had the dinosaur in the background. That's like way earlier, but it's not. It's not both films. It's hybrid live action. Okay, cool. Uh, but who frame Roger Rabbit just took it to a whole new level and they redid a, I couldn't go into it because I don't know enough about it. And it was just so amazingly.
00:11:41
Speaker
ah revolutionary for the technicalness of it that just I'm not the person to discuss it basically but it was brilliant what they did and great movie This movie does not revolutionize anything, but it's really fun. I disagree. I think it revolutionizes Robert Zemeckis' career.
Comedy and Adventure in Film
00:12:00
Speaker
You reckon? If you have a look at like where it's placed in terms of like when he's done stuff, it's pretty early on. um Right. And it's the first film he does right before he does the first Back to the Future. Okay. And i'm sort of I sort of get the impression that there's a lot of similar themes in terms of like
00:12:21
Speaker
exploration and, um, like adventure, but also like a bit of like cheeky subversion while like being a family friendly film, but while also, um, like obviously being a little bit like.
00:12:40
Speaker
naughty at times. um I feel like Back to the Future does it quite well. And i this film, I think has a little bit more naughtiness, but ah I feel like it's sort of, you can see his progression in terms of the style of filmmaking that he kind of became known for sure in in this film. And um ah that's what I would say. I'd say it that's what it revolutionized.
00:13:09
Speaker
Yeah, right. I'll give you that. I'll, I'll pay that. Um, but yeah, what did you actually think of the movie max? I liked it. I thought it was a fun and um I love a good little like action adventure comedy. I love the princess bride. I think it's really funny. um And this movie has a lot of similar things that make.
00:13:35
Speaker
similar sort of um elements that make movies like that good. um It has enough of my actual action adventure elements to s still be like tense and engaging while also able to be funny and be able to have characters that are both comedic and dangerous, for instance, um ah specifically here talking about umm Danny DeVito's character, who, Danny DeVito obviously is a comedic actor, and he's a very good comedic actor, and he um plays a comedic role in this film. But at the same time, he still manages to be sort of, like, villainous and evil, and even even if it is a bit like,
00:14:24
Speaker
slapstick and have hazard and it and it makes you, to me, it's like, oh, it's very similar to, um, if you're going parallel to something like Princess Bride, it's very similar to character a character like Bitzany. Um,
00:14:36
Speaker
Who is Vizzini for those who don't know the Princess Bride off the back of the hand? For those who don't know the Princess Bride, Vizzini is the Poisoner. He's the man who attempts to, who has stolen Buttercup and is attempting to poison Wesley. Or I think at this point in time of the movie, it's the Dread Pirate Roberts. And does so in a very like, yeah, comedic and slapstick sort of way.
00:15:06
Speaker
and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible so i can clearly not choose the wine in front of me you're trying to trick me into giving away something it won't work it has worked you've given everything away i know where the poison is then make your choice i will and i choose what in the world can that be um he's the one who's like inconceivable he didn't fall inconceivable give You keep using the Horde. I don't think it means what you think it means. Yeah, and that one. That's what's in it. Cool. And like, I don't think it reaches the same levels as something like the Princess Bride, but I definitely see a lot of the same elements. And um as a result, I think it pulls together this really sort of fun and funny and
00:15:59
Speaker
like a little bit tense and a little bit like romantic and a little bit ah cheesy and all the right sort of ways and I really liked it. I thought it was fun. Yeah. I think the one thing that I i think this movie kind of falls down on a little bit is I don't think they utilize the writer aspect of the main character enough.
00:16:21
Speaker
ah The next movie we talk about does do it, but I'm going to describe why I don't like it in that one. ah But in this one, sorry coming from a writer, but we know a lot of random shit because we research really specific things that we eat that we often need to know for a specific story. sir ah For instance,
00:16:43
Speaker
um I have a bunch of notes in my phone about different ah bacteria or, you know, immune systems, immune diseases ah that can make it look like you've had a stroke.
00:16:58
Speaker
ah i just have i'm I'm not going to explain why I have that, but I do. um i've also done some various means I've also done some serious research on whether or not ah injecting someone with just air can make it also look like... ah I was doing a thing with someone dying when it looked like a stroke. I was wondering if you could if injecting someone with air did that, and it's kind of not as effective as you would think it would be.
00:17:26
Speaker
But point is, I couldn't really tell you what else I've, for example, but I've just I've always I've looked at a lot of random shit for a lot of random stories and stuff. And I feel like they missed a trick getting her the main character. I can never remember a name journey.
00:17:43
Speaker
Yeah. They missed a trick in letting her have some moments where she's researched some stuff, maybe in Columbia or some random stuff, and so she can just whip out this random knowledge from you know the seat of her pants and be like, oh yeah, i learned i was like that would have been fun. Because you know Michael Douglas plays a lot of the knowledge-based role and the fact that he's the one who's been living out here for so long.
00:18:05
Speaker
And I feel like that's fine. Like, you know, he's the guide character for quite a bit of this movie. And that's perfectly fine. But I just kind of wish that there was a moment for her to shine a little bit with her own specific set of knowledge. And ah especially since we see at the start that she's written a Weston type.
00:18:23
Speaker
story and so i feel like you could have incorporated maybe some sort of like horse uh horse she could have had some horse trivia or something that was necessary or some gun trivia or just there was some remedy in the wild west that they use that she then has to use to fix herself or jack up with you know what i mean like there's just there was just a ah ah there's a trick missed on that i feel But also on the flip side, I do really think it's funny that they charm a man just by her being an author that he really likes. That's really cute and funny. um I agree. I feel like the writer aspect of Joan's character in this is a little bit underutilized. I also think we're missing a little bit of context watching this.
00:19:08
Speaker
now in that um this is obviously, or not obviously, but it's almost a spoof on the romance novel as a genre, um which was much, much, much bigger in the mid-80s than it is now. um yeah Or at least the style of which the romance genre was, um was sort of this prolific idea, whereas now there's a lot more variance and nuance to ah that genre of writing. um And I think a lot of what we're supposed to understand about her as a character comes from
00:19:55
Speaker
an expectation of the audience to understand um the romance genre as as ah as it existed in the mid 80s. And I don't know about you, but I have read a lot of romance, like pulp romance from the mid 80s. I have not. I can't claim either. So I sort of have like a vague idea of what it's meant to be um in terms of like,
00:20:24
Speaker
sweaty men with their shirts ripped off and stuff like that oil painting. That's hard. That that sort of stuff. Fabio, I think he was around. Um, I don't think he was in a romance double. I think he was real. No, but I think he didn't like covers. Did he? Like, I think he, he like, um, did covers. I know he was a model, but then yeah, he did. Okay.
00:20:50
Speaker
But, um, I feel like there's a lot of tropes in this, like like come directly out of that and, uh, um, subverted to an extent, but I feel like, yeah, we're probably missing a little bit of that.
Metatextual Elements and Critiques
00:21:07
Speaker
Just purely based on the fact that it's not as ubiquitous of a genre anymore. And, um,
00:21:18
Speaker
I guess. where sort of expecting more of it to be her as a writer rather than her as a like a romance novelist specifically. Yeah. but hear are you saying Yeah. Um, but that, yeah, but that said, I, I still think they could have done more with that. Um, have her, even if it's her, like,
00:21:45
Speaker
sort of metatextualizing what's happening, her kind of going like, this is just like in one of my books or something like that, um which doesn't really happen until quite late at the end.
00:21:56
Speaker
um
00:21:59
Speaker
And I don't know. Yeah, I definitely agree. I think you can, you could do a little bit more with that. Yeah. Going off of what you just said about like metatextual stuff, she could have really been kind of like,
00:22:14
Speaker
Uh, you've seen scream, right? No, you haven't seen screen. Okay. In the screen, one, I've seen, I've probably seen like 40% of screen through like scene clips on like tick tock. No, like at uni and stuff.
00:22:29
Speaker
right It's a good movie. In Scream though there's a character called Randy Meeks who is a film nerd and he spends a lot of the movie pointing out tropes of horror films because that's what Scream's about and all the Screams is just pointing out. It's a meta commentary on horror at the point in time that the most recent movie comes out, that type of thing.
00:22:50
Speaker
And so, yeah, they got Randy Meeks character who Randy Meeks plays a character. Sorry, doesn't play a character. Randy Meeks is the character who points out a lot of the ah stereotypes and tropes that horror has. And I feel like we could have kind of maybe not to the extent that scream is, but just maybe just a little bit more. It would have been a bit more interesting if ah Joan had maybe done that a little bit and pushed that idea a little bit more.
00:23:20
Speaker
But I don't know, I guess harsh harsh to judge a film on what it isn't rather than what it is. ah It's I think what what I think I would like a little bit more from this movie is just a little bit more development in the actual adventure side. I feel like I know the movie and you just mentioned this that the point of the film is more the romance and meets in the title and everything as well, you know, romancing the stone. But I just It would be cool if it was connected to a adventure an adventure that was a bit more in depth and a bit more fleshed out. I don't know. What what do you what do you think about it? What do you think?
00:24:04
Speaker
Um, I don't know, cause I feel like there's definitely a couple of loose ends. Um, you get, uh, Michael Douglas's character going around asking if he can Xerox the map. Um, not explicitly, like he keeps asking people with their Xerox machine and he's obviously trying to.
00:24:22
Speaker
make a copy of the map so we can go back and- I had to look at what a Xerox was by the way. I didn't know it was. So for everyone who's like Mitchell doesn't know what a Xerox machine is. Why would I know what it is? Do you want to let our listeners know what a Xerox machine is? I don't know if I could tell someone what a Xerox machine is. I'll look it up so I can- It's a glorified photocopier. Okay. Well, I just like, I was going to, yeah, it's basically, okay. It's basically a photocopier. Yeah.
00:24:47
Speaker
i I was going to look it up just in case I misunderstood what it was, but no, it was fine. Yeah. It's just a photocopier. It's the old photocopier. It's basically a photocopier. It's like an older sort of weird thing with like tapes and stuff. Why would I know that? um like I know that. You know, love weird shit. You know, love weird shit. It's not that weird. You've taken me to trivia. You know how bad I'm at it.
00:25:11
Speaker
Yeah. And you know how bad I am at it. You're better than me. Um, but yeah, you sort of have this subplot where, uh, Michael Douglas is going around asking whether people have Xerox machines and it's because he wants to copy the map so he can go back and steal the stone. And it sort of just like reaches a dead end. Um, he has sex with her and realizes he doesn't want to steal it from him. Yeah. And it's just kind of like, okay, that's cool. I guess. Um,
00:25:41
Speaker
there's There's, I dunno, there's a couple of things like that where it's like, I guess they get resolved or they sort of like half get resolved like that. I feel like it's not a real resolution of him just gone.
00:25:55
Speaker
Burners are better than rocks. oh Because he got the rock. They got the rock. They got the rock in the end. I think the boot shot is really funny. Right at the end. The stone gets eaten by a crocodile and we don't see Michael. I reckon it's an alligator. I reckon it's an alligator.
00:26:18
Speaker
i confess i guess It's an it's an america isn't it so we crocodile i be you pardon so yeah it's an alligator it gets eat but the strength gets eaten by an alligator and we see Michael Douglas jumps away at the end of the movie and then at the very end he appears back at Jones Kathleen Turner's ah Uh, New York apartment with a boat. Uh, and the first kind of shot we see of him, we know it's him because obviously it is him, but the first kind of shot we see of him is of him wearing, uh, Crockett, alligator leather boots, which is the ugliest allegant my they're really ugly, but he's just, and then he just goes, yeah, the crocodile ah fuck alligator just kind of died because it choked on the star.
00:27:02
Speaker
which is really amusing. What's also really amusing is the dirtiest of dives he does as he jumps off the top of the floor. It's like a really bad belly flop. It's the worst dive I think I've ever seen in a movie. Obviously, Michael Douglas didn't do it. They would have got the stun double would do it. And whoever was at stun double, I rest in peace your belly, dude. Rest in peace.
00:27:24
Speaker
your belly for a number of scenes when Michael Douglas slams into the rock face. oh true If you can, if you like watch it slowly or with enough attention, you realize is just a crash mat with yeah like, um, um, like a facade sort of like vinyl over the top or something. Um, which I thought was very funny. And like, I get that's what that's called. I'm having a budget and special effects in 1984. But, um,
00:27:53
Speaker
I thought it was amusing. Um, to return to your earlier question about whether I think it's, um, like adventurous
Realness of 1980s Films
00:28:01
Speaker
enough. I feel like there's enough in there for me at least. Um, there's yeah, there's a couple of bits, which would have been nice to explore a little bit more. Um, maybe that like, there's a couple of settings, which are sort of skipped over a little bit. Um, especially the one where they sort of like.
00:28:22
Speaker
Um, they're like at the party and then they sleep together. Um, that sort of like town is not really looked at at all. Um, beyond a backdrop for them getting it on. Um, but I think on the whole, it it does enough for me in terms of it's like explorationiness.
00:28:47
Speaker
Even if it is sometimes there's a little bit of like cut corners where like she falls to the map and finds the waterfall. Yeah. Um, they like, I dunno, the way they get over the river is the right, although that's funny. Like it's funny. Yeah, it's kind of dumb and funny, which I think is like, the best way to have a movie like this is when you can kind of not take it too seriously. And you go like, yeah, of course the way over the river is like a remote control ramp. It's awesome.
00:29:20
Speaker
Like, of course, of course the only way you can survive ah is making a fire inside a plane full of weed. Like, what are you gonna do? It's like, I'm gonna pack another the key on and they're both getting more and more high. it's This is really funny. I find, what I find really cool about this movie, especially in not only the context of movies today, but also very specifically the movie we're going to talk about next.
00:29:47
Speaker
is just how everything looks kind of real in this. ah i I just like how in the 1980s they made movies that like the cat. Max, it's not just the cat. It's been specifically the cat, like especially the cat.
00:30:04
Speaker
The cat especially looks real in this movie. No, please. No, sorry. The cat. Right. play you please don think In this movie, the cat especially looks real. Probably because they used a real cat. Yeah. And his name was.
00:30:19
Speaker
<unk> doda did it the Uncredited. I love that name. What's the cat's?
00:30:30
Speaker
name I don't know. I don't feel like Kat was credited in this movie. Was the crat was the crack? Was the cat even named? The point is, my point is ah the this movie, it is just something really nice about how they must have either crafted or more likely went to a a real forest or real jungle or the. And you just did shit there. They want to read his room here.
00:31:00
Speaker
that's oh That's right. Yeah, Romeo. Good name for a cat, by the way. ah And they just they went to places and they did things. And in a really shoddy way, they used real animals wherever they they had to because they didn't have CGI and puppets would look really like shit.
00:31:18
Speaker
There's just something amazingly refreshing about how the movie looks like they're actually in places and they're not just on the thing that they make the Mandalorian on, which I can't remember its name right now. But like um Disney's superplex or whatever it is. I'm gonna look it up. what What do they make the Mandalorian on?
00:31:45
Speaker
ah It's called...
00:31:50
Speaker
stagecraft. That's what I saw. and I was like, that's not correct. Yeah. No, it's because it's dumb and earned by Disney. come on what's It's there's like a special. It's earned by industrial and magic, which is earned by Disney.
00:32:01
Speaker
um
00:32:04
Speaker
Fuck the volume. It's called the volume.
Romancing the Stone's Ending and Enjoyment
00:32:08
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um It's the set which has the background. It's what they filmed the Batman on as well, but they actually did it nicely on the Batman. To be fair, they actually did it nicely on the Mandalorian as well. But there's been other people who have used the same technology poorly because they haven't got the right cinematographer in and it's been really bad. So love and thunder. What? Who said that? Who said that? But anyway, point is, I think this is what the same point is.
00:32:33
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What I'm trying to say is this movie, it looks, while maybe definitely the budget shows, the fact that they just, it's it's nice and quaint and I love the fact that I can see real people standing on a real floor with a real background. That's what I'm trying to say. I love the real tiny bottles of liquor in the cabinet. I love that the main bad guy has his hand be eaten off at the end of this movie. That's very cool. Bring greenback messed up endings for bad guys even in family films.
00:33:03
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Yeah, bite bite off, like get his hand bitten off by an alligator, set him on fire, dump him in a pit of croc, and out of alligators. Other alligators. Other alligators. also I was like, I just want to point out how funny it was to watch Michael Douglas wrestle with a fake alligator's tail. He's like, nah, I got your big boy. You're not going anywhere. Give me the, give me the fucking. That, that, and not when he cuts off the head of the snake and then he pulls the body of the snake, which is definitely still alive. Yeah.
00:33:33
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But it's also just, it's such a long snake and it keeps going. Oh, what a, it's just a fun film. Like you're not going to, you're not going to see God watching this, but you're definitely going to. If you consume that amount of weed.
00:33:49
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That's fair. Also, if you think, actually, if you're like me and you consider Danny DeVito divine, you may see God watching this movie. Yeah. I was going to do that, but you beat me to it. Can we, can we, can we talk about that for a moment? I think Danny DeVito like.
00:34:06
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works so hard in this movie. He's doing so much. He's constantly sweating. He looks like he's having an aneurysm at all times. His, his comedy, both spoken and physical is on point throughout this whole movie.
00:34:22
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I like the the two more ones I find like apps like it just I don't know why but it just gets a gig out of me every single time I watch this because this is not the first one I've watched it by the way I watched it a few times there's the one way he picks up Zolo who is a police officer and he's the main bad guy and Danny DeVito plays a criminal And so he's like got his hat down, he's holding his hat down as he drives, which is really funny. But then he has to go, he has to drop him off at the police station. So he enters the police station. Uh, do I know you? Uh, no comprendo. No comprendo. And then he goes to the police station because I hate, so I hate Americans. He must be French or something. He must be French or something. the Ebony must be French. It's, yes, it's very good.
00:35:10
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But then because the second one is when he when they get to the police station and there's posters of him everywhere in the station, he has to make a call to his cousin. And so he's pretending to talk to his mother. he's like he's pretend On the phone, he's like, I'm pretending to talk to his mum, but he's talking to the cousin. And then he's trying to grab a poster at the same time and he has to keep like dragging his hand back because the police officer walks by and the scene ends with him grabbing it. but him falling off the counter and then they don't even bother explaining how he explains his way out of that because you just know he would somehow but we don't need to see it's just funny it's he's great and he's the MVP of this movie of the like again I'm gonna reference Princess Bride again because I think go for it right yeah I know it came out later and and it probably was influenced it
00:35:56
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to some extent by movies like a lot it's stealing but uh but i love the trope of having the like funny bad guy and then the actual bad guy it's good and i feel like this movie does that quite well even like obviously there's danny devito being like just ah being a weird little guy um We love Freak as we like to put it. We love Freak and then you've got Zor who runs the Colombian secret police. And he's not funny. He's not a funny character. yeah um Which he's not meant to be. like It's fine. the my The way that that plays off against each other I think is very fun and I feel like there's a lot of movies that forget
00:36:41
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the like when they're trying to do that forget how to like balance that properly where they'll rely too heavily on a comedic villain um yeah or like try and do like weird twist villains where the i evil villain is the comedic villain all along um yeah or not even a villain was just a person i'm looking at you iron man 3 um I actually have no issues with Iron Man 3. That's not the movie that I think of when I think of but bad villains. I like Iron Man 3.
00:37:16
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um But no, i think I think this does that trope that I like. I think it does it quite well. um I don't think there's much more to say on this beyond go watch it. It's on Diddney. You can watch it. and They didn't film it in stagecraft. They filmed it. It's called The Volume Dude.
00:37:38
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i I'm fairly sure it's called Stagecraft. i I did see that, but I believe the i believe it's called Stagecraft, but the actual state the actual that will set studio is called The Volume.
00:37:54
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um
00:37:56
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We're not doing this now. um What does TechCrunch have to say on it? right in whether or not it's the volume of the stagecraft. I don't really mind. I'm happy to be wrong to the volume. But anyway, so yeah, ah this they they had a sequel. Oh, it's fine. It used to be called stagecraft. Unless it was stagecraft. ah you They have a sequel called Jewel of the Nile. It's all right. ah Watch it if you want to. It's it's it's fine. like It's not bad. It's just not very good either in comparison to this. This one's way better.
00:38:30
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I'm gonna give my review, my rating, sorry. Max, you ready? I'm just gonna say mine. don we have ah We have one at Fox Studios Australia. A volume. A volume. Do we use it for anything? I don't know, probably. Let's do this later. oh Filming stuff is cheap in Australia. Let's do this later. ah I'm giving this movie three romances and a stone.
00:38:59
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I'm giving this movie, Romancing the Stone, which is the movie. Danny D. Frito and Xerox Machine down to five. I hate it. I hate it so much.
00:39:17
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ah like click There's a memory that's come in from a writer. A writer has written us a memo, Max. What do you think the memo says? oh I'm going to read it out. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'm ready. I need to find- Wait, wait. If you're saying it's a memo, it's like a telegram or like a fax. Yes.
00:39:38
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i'm I'm opening it up. Does that sound like paper? It is paper, but like- Sounds like slapping. Whatever. oh Wow, this says here that we need to do Max and Mitch's mini media.
00:39:53
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Damn, that's loud. I'll fix it. No, don't do it again. It's fine. You don't need to do it again. Do you want to go first? I'll go first, unless you got like some cool way to connect it because I didn't got nothing.
00:40:13
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I still haven't really figured out which one I'm doing. Okay. I'll go. I am as, as there's a few who are familiar with the podcast know every three months or so I do a thing called magic, the gathering prayer releases. Should we just and make it its own thing? It's the max's magic segment. No, let's not do that. That would be boring. Um,
00:40:35
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um For there is not in the know of Magic the Gathering releases and lore. Wizards of the Coast has released the second, I lied, first,
00:40:52
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Set of 2024, I got my ears confused. Um, and it is called murders at Karlov Manor. Ooh, spooky. Because it's a murder mystery at the Manor of Taysa Karlov. Who is the character in that gathering? Um, yeah. I have a question. Uh, how much are you judging this murder mystery for having a murder in it?
00:41:16
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Um, well, there's actually a couple of murders in this one. So there's more than my story more more than one and you're letting it off. I will let you know there are actual, actually, uh, murder is pretty common in magic gathering. Um, there's a whole thing in the whole mechanic in the game where you kill creatures and they go to the graveyard. That's messed up.
00:41:41
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Anyway, um, I went to the pre-release to play with the new cards that are like murder mystery themed and they can do things like be disguised or suspected or find clues. But they do that by investigating, um, and other such themed mechanics. Um, and it was fine. I, I, I know you've heard me rave about some magic stuff on here before, and I've been very excited to tell you about fairy tales and dinosaurs and all that sort of nonsense. This one I thought I was going to be really excited for. It's set on a on a world I really like called Ravnica. It's got some characters I really like and it was mostly just fine.
00:42:28
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I, they, so important context here, our promises will be quick, important context here. They changed in the way that they're doing, um, these sort of events. Um, when you play events, uh, called ah limited events or, or sealed events rather, where, uh, no, it is limited events.
00:42:52
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Anyway, whatever. um You open a set of packs and you play with the cards that you get in those packs in one one way or another. um And they've changed the way that cards are distributed within those packs. So it used to be a pretty... ah It used to be that you would get approximately one rare per pack, and now it's approximately two rares per pack, but can go up to four now, as opposed to the previous maximum of two. It's changed the way the game plays, um which is fine and it needs to be done every now and again to make sure it's interesting. and
00:43:31
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and new things keep happening in terms of the game space ah mechanically. But I personally feel like it it was a little bit underwhelming. There was definitely a little bit of people just having better cards and being able to wipe the floor with you if they had better cards, which was always a possibility, but it felt more likely. And maybe that's my bias, but I'm going to stick by it.
00:44:00
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um And I don't know, there's, it's, I guess, I just thought I would be having a lot of fun with this set, but I found some of the mechanics a little bit annoying. Um, maybe I, part of it is I don't like having my cards face down because then I forget what they are. hard but memory ah not That's a personal issue.
00:44:28
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ah skill issue even skill issue um and then just there's always like one mechanic that is like kind of bad compared to the rest of them and the one in this one was particularly like that and because they made such a big deal about uh, being able to suspect cards, suspect creatures, and it was just kind of like fine. Um, so is it a good place to start playing magic? This is what I always try and think about with the prayer release because, uh, really it's a opportunity for new people to come and try out cards because no one's played with the cards before. And it seems like an as equal of a playing ground as ever going to be. Um, and on the one hand.
00:45:18
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It's good to introduce people to the new format, but on the other hand, if the cards are faced down half the time, what's the point?
00:45:29
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That's what I've been saying this whole time. Like I don't want to, I, magic cards are half odd. I don't want to be looking at the back of a sleeve. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. It's like, what's the point? What's the... Yeah. Like, <unk>s there's a difference between you have cards in your hand that secret information and I'm attacking with my creature that's face down, but you don't know what it is. Hmm. Yeah. Cause then you don't know what it is either. though You're like, what am I doing? What is this? So I don't know. It was fine. Uh, I'll, I'll, I'll keep you updated. Yeah. What'd you, what'd you mean?
00:46:06
Speaker
Uh, so I was tossing up between two things. One of them was the new tram works that are happening. Uh, but I decided, I don't want to do that. I've already done trams. There's always tram works. This is Melbourne. There's, yeah, but there's two constants. There's two constants roadworks and tramworks. Sometimes train works. That's actually not constant. You're right. That's not constant. It's just regular. Yeah.
00:46:32
Speaker
So I said I'm going to talk about a little game that's been making the rounds on, I think a lot of YouTube, a lot of Switch, a lot of TikTok, and that's Buckshot Roulette. Have you seen this at all? I have not.
00:46:45
Speaker
It's really fun. So it's a game made by a guy that you can just get off itch.io. It's cost $1.20 USD at minimum. I paid five just to give him like, you know, $1.20 is not a lot. And I was like, I'll give him a little bit more. i'm I'm a good guy. I understand being a struggling artist. I've never made money off my my work, but I can understand wanting to and it's hard. Okay, it's hard out there.
00:47:13
Speaker
So I gave him $5 USD, which comes to like, what, 10 Australian something? I don't freaking know. Is that what you're doing right now? You're doing the conversion. No, I was I was looking at the Wikipedia and look. OK. Anyway, it's a point and click game where you I think it's a demon. You find a demon in the back rooms of a club and you basically play roulette with him, or sorry, not roulette, you play, uh, what's it called? Russian, role do you play a kind of Russian roulette with him, but you, so the game starts off in the, there's three rounds in, in the, game in a game. There's the first round, the second round and the third round, uh, in the first round you don't, it's very simple. You just kind of got to guess which one you you got to figure out. So.
00:48:05
Speaker
The what what happened? OK, I haven't explained this very well. The gun is loaded with a certain amount of shells. The buckshot, the gun, the shotgun. even It's a Russian roulette. Yes. Scribing Russian roulette. No, no, I need to explain. It's it's it's not not exactly the same because the the shotgun is loaded with a certain number of shells and but some of those ah blanks and some of those all alive. ah So what you want to do is you want to shoot yourself with the blank ones and you want to shoot the demon with the live ones.
00:48:35
Speaker
Um, but you can't tell what's in there without doing deductions and counting bullets and stuff like that. So it starts off pretty simple. You just try and kind of pray for the best slash count bullets so you can figure out whether or not, how many, how many live rounds, do how many blank rounds are in the gun and you can make a decision whether or not, it's because if you shoot yourself with a blank, you get another turn and it's, it's a whole thing.
00:49:02
Speaker
ah What happens though is once you beat them on the first round, which is pretty simple, ah you get to the second round where you start getting items. And the items include, I'm gonna do this off the top of my head, I might miss one. you get so You can get cigarettes, you can get beer, you can get handcuffs, you can get a magnifying glass, and you can get a sore. The cigarettes give you some of your health back. The, what else did I say? Fuck.
00:49:31
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There was beer, I think. be up Yeah, beer lets you rack the shotgun. So whatever bullet was currently in, like in the ready to be fired is spat out, basically, ah without you firing the guns, because firing the gun generally almost always ends the turn unless you fired the blank at yourself.
00:49:52
Speaker
um The magnifying glass lets you see what bullet is currently in, like, like loaded. Uh, the handcuff forces, uh, skips the other person's next turn. And ah the, the saw cuts the end of the gun off and does deals double damage. What if you, if it goes off, if if you successfully, if you shoot the dude, it does double damage to him, but if you shoot yourself, it also does damage, double damage to yourself. But also it'd be insane if you were ever intending on shooting the gun.
00:50:28
Speaker
at yourself to soar it's gonna be insane to soar off the unless you're trying to kill yourself but that's insane basically anyway and that's just it that's the game is you're trying to and you get these um these uh things but at the same time the dealer is also getting these items and is also trying to basically beat you And it's fun. It's just, you know, you got to dedut you go use deduction. A lot of the time you got to kind of just guess and be like, well, there was six bullets put in, ah six sorry, six slugs put in. I think it's slugs when it comes to shotguns. Cartridges, whatever. There's six cartridges put in. Three of them alive. Three of them were blank. Two blanks have been fired. One live has been fired. Likely likely right now, I'm going to be shooting alive.
00:51:13
Speaker
shoot him, like, you know, and i and it's it's just stuff like that. And it's just fun. It's it's cool. And and it's it's really, it's gotten viral because it's so like, easy to do, but it just involves so much guessing and skill and like it's like a mixture of skill, luck and guessing, basically. And yeah, it's fun. Recommend. ah Really cheap.
00:51:36
Speaker
Download it off itch.io, give the guy $5 or less if you want and you're a bad person, give him more and shame me for only giving $5. But yeah, I recommend it. It's fun and it's worth the amount you're paying, I think. Even more. Yeah.
00:51:56
Speaker
Argyle. Directed by the man with a twisted mind, Matthew Vaughn, comes this film that's released in 2024, and it's our only twisted element is its fucked up plot. And it's our second 2024 release. I didn't want to mention that, but yes, it is also the second film that we've done this year, that's 2024, out of five. sick yeah Six. this is Six episodes. what' six third date Yeah, Six Epithode in, we've we've managed our second 2024 release. It's not our fault that Australia sucks. And also they don't really think shouldn't fit January. It stars Bryce Dallas Howard, Sam Rockwell, Henry Cavill, Cavill. I know it's Cavill, but it's just fun to say Cavill. Brian Cranston and Dua Lipa. Max, what is Argyle about?
00:52:47
Speaker
um Argyle is about a woman named Ellie, uh, who was a writer, Ellie Conway. Thank you. I, I, I, at least I got the name, the first name. That's an achievement for me. Um, uh, Ellie Conway, who is a spy writer novelist, and she writes a series called Argyle about a secret agents called Agent Argyle who was played by Henry Cavill. Some call him Henry Cavill. Some call him Henry Cavill. Some would be wrong. Some even call him the guy who is really excited about being in the Warhammer movie. So excited. I thought it was a TV show though. TV show, sorry.
00:53:36
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um
00:53:39
Speaker
But before long, um Ellie gets embroiled in an espionage mystery of her own in real life, um but in the real life of the movie. In iReal Life L. i In real le cinema.
00:54:04
Speaker
um And she has to ah ah overcome her fears while piggybacking along with Sam Rockwell, who is an actual spy, um while they have to save the world or whatever. um So I don't know if I said spoiler alert at the start of this episode, but I'm going to say, if if I did, either way I'm going to say it now again. Spoiler alert, this movie has a lot of a lot of plot twists.
00:54:37
Speaker
It's like, I think every, every like, uh, at the back end of the, movie about halfway through the movie, after a certain point, almost every scene has a plot twist slash reveal. I'm giving you this chance to stop listening. However, every single plot twist last reveal is dumb. So I wouldn't really worry about it. How many of them surprised you max? Um,
00:55:07
Speaker
Surprised me as in like I wasn't expecting it or surprised me as in like, oh, that's cool Both give me two different tallies. So I think I wasn't super expecting her to be a spy because I thought they were going to just not do that. Um, I don't know why I thought that, but they, I thought that, um, it just feels like an overused trope and I just went like, Oh, well, they obviously they're not going to do that. I kind of, I just want to point out I was something similar because I, for some reason gave this movie the benefit of doubt and I thought they were going to be clever.
00:55:44
Speaker
I thought they were going to be more interesting interesting and more clever. I also thought this, and I didn't have high expectations. So that's why I didn't guess that she was going to be Agent Argyle. So I didn't, I didn't guess that at plot twist, Ellie Conway is actually Agent Argyle.
00:56:02
Speaker
That's R, the letter Kyle, like Kyle Minerg. If Kylie Minerg was a dude. That's Kylie. Oh, Kyle. Kyle Minerg, a brother. yes I don't think Kylie Minerg has a brother named Kyle. She doesn't. it was It's if like, I don't know. Point is, yeah, that's R, Kyle. I think that like surprised me in that I wasn't expecting it. um The plot twist that her dad was the bad guy Like, I wasn't super expecting, but also it came like way too early. I was expecting that because we never saw the dad and they kept mentioning him. I was like, there' a there's a deliberate effort here to not show him. It has to be someone we know. Yeah. I bri christmasston i wasn't thinking about it that. That's all right. no To be honest. um Yeah. um The lot twist. Was there any other plot twists?
00:57:00
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Oh, the plot twist. The fact that she's working with the enemy. That wasn't that surprising. No. That was sort of like, well, of course she is because of brainwashing. Like, they literally say that she was brainwashed and then she's not brainwashed and then she was brainwashed and then she's not brainwashed again. Um. I love that. And. The plot twist that they changed. So I guess like, I wasn't expecting her to kill the hacker dude. No, that was all I did. Also, I didn't care.
00:57:30
Speaker
by that point in the movie. A, I didn't care. B, I was like, we haven't seen the hacker. Once we found out that she was the last person to see it, I was like, oh. I wasn't expecting him to show up at all. I wasn't expecting him to be a character in the movie. I just was like, oh yeah, he's the guy. He's like the guy with green hair that's obviously like inspired by Twitch streamer Ninja. I want to see some movement out there.
00:58:04
Speaker
Like, you know, I refuse to believe that this guy's doing anything except playing Fortnite. And then banning people who kill him on Fortnite because he thinks they're cheating. um cha But I don't know. I just like what I think is important is that perhaps I was not expecting some of the plot twist. This is true.
00:58:26
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I don't think any of them were earned. I agree. Whether or not you're expecting them or not, whether not they tricked you or not, it doesn't feel like any of them were properly done in a way where it feels clever or interesting or fun. And that's the real problem with this movie. It's not fun. It's really boring. And Why? Why is it boring and not fun? It has the core elements of being fun. Everything in this movie should work. If if I was describing this movie from an theoretical perspective. Do it right now. This movie is hypothetically, i'm I'm pitching this movie to you as a studio ex executive. I'm saying i i am this studio studio exhibit this is a fun movie. It's an action.
00:59:14
Speaker
We're going to play the game we played during therado where oh my god but The the director and the studio executive. however However, we've changed the rules. You're the director now. You're Matthew Vaughn. I'm Mr. Studio Executive. you know I'm not asking you to plug your potholes. I'm just asking you to pitch the movie to me.
00:59:34
Speaker
Hey, Mr. Studio. Sorry, what does Matthew Vaughn sound like? He's British. Matthew Vaughan, like that sort of British. I don't know, I've never heard him talk. Hi, I'm Matthew Vaughan, and I really just wanted to make a fourth Kingsman movie, but they said... Why is he a beetle? I don't know. Hi, it's me, Matthew Vaughan. Hi, Matthew. Yeah, can you make us another Kingsman movie? They make money. Yeah, I could, but what if it was American instead?
01:00:11
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Oh, we already did that in Kingsman 2. But um it's got Samuel L. Jackson. We did that in Kingsman 1. And he's a different guy now. Is this a Kingsman movie? Yes. But you don't find out right until the end.
01:00:25
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going to be real. I actually miss this is Mitchell. I didn't stick around for that scene. I didn't find out till later that there wasn't after mid-credits scene. I only saw that scene because I was sitting in the theater trying to think of a funny letterbox for a year. And the scene played and I'm like, oh, there's more. Too many times I've actually found a hidden scene like that just because I was thinking of my letterbox review. It's happened more than once. But yeah.
01:00:55
Speaker
Please. Yeah, sorry. Sorry, wait.
01:01:02
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Are you telling me it's not a Kingsman movie then? No, it's a Kingsman movie, but you don't know it's a Kingsman movie. Why would I want this? okay Let me just pitch this to you. It's about a writer named Ellie and she has a cat. The cat is completely CGI, but will credit it as being a real cat.
01:01:25
Speaker
I see. um We could get a cat. No, no, no, no, no. Because I want to drop it off a building. We could CGI that part, but the rest of it could be more real. No, because then it doesn't match. you know It just all has to be CGI.
01:01:38
Speaker
Well, if you just focus the CGI in one part, we can get a really good cat. I also wanted to do like some skydiving sort of thing like parasailing. I wanted to ah scratch up a dude's face in one scene. I think that would be cool.
01:01:56
Speaker
We could use like a, like a puppet or something. No, if it look good no CGI it has to be CGI. How else? ah You gave me $200 million. dollars I did. oh I did. I mean, you're pitching it to me, but apparently I've already given you the money. Yeah. you Your boss gave me $200 million. dollars i'm just So why am I here? You have to sign off on my script. So it's been signed off, but I got to sign off on it again, even though my thoughts are already signed off. You know how when they made the Matrix and they gave them money and then they spent all the money and they had to come back and ask for more money? So you're asking for more money. It's sort of like that, yeah. You blew it all in the cat. I blew it all on the cat.
01:02:37
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um Okay. So it's about, so it's about this woman and she's a writer. She's a spy writer and writes a character named Argyle and Argyle. Like the vest. And there's like, and there's like imagery that sort of supports that for a tiny little bit of a film, but only a little bit. um I love this. I love subtlety. That's good. Yeah. but and And it's never referred to ever again. And also we spell it wrong.
01:03:03
Speaker
That's fine. It's a name. We can do that. That's fine. Okay. Okay, good. yeah And then ah she gets embroiled. She becomes a part of a actual espionage ploy because she's writing about real world events, but doesn't realize. Oh, that's kind of like, not exactly, but kind of like romancing the stone. Yes. But, um and and here's the important difference. She can't write the next scene of her book.
01:03:31
Speaker
Why not? Um, because, um, she's actually a spy who had her memories wiped by the evil spy organization she was working for, but was defecting from. And then also was in an accident that allowed them to do that, but that's never explained because that would be too confusing. Um, so wait, we're doing Jason Bourne.
01:03:57
Speaker
No, no, no, no, no, because um she's writing the what happens next about where the master key file... Master file. Silver bullet. Master file. Good to see buzzwords now. Silver bullet. No, no, no, no. It's the master file key silver bullet. Yeah. It's also a USB.
01:04:21
Speaker
But a USB inside a silver bullet. And it looks like a bullet. You know those ones where you get like tweets. and it's It's a novelty USB. Spies use novelty USBs. It sounds really good. Well, well i like I like this idea. You've got a mixture of ideas going on like espionage, but there's also some comedy in there. I like it. yeah okay Who are you getting in to play the the different characters? um So we're thinking we're going to get in Henry Cavill.
01:04:46
Speaker
I love him. Great. Excellent. He's going to play like this one hallucinated, like this, this guy, he's going to play Agent Argyle, but only when she's like hallucinating. Sure. Yeah. That doesn't sound confusing. John Cena. He's cool. Yeah. We love John Cena. We're going to get him as the partner of Argyle Wyatt. And he's also only going to be there when she's hallucinating, but also not every time she's hallucinating, only sometimes.
01:05:17
Speaker
Right. Okay. And also Dua Lipa. Oh, how long is she going to be in the movie? She's in the movie for two minutes. Could we not get her in longer? She's a big draw. Um, no, because she has to sit on Henry Cavill's face and that's it. I didn't realize that was a requirement. Please go on. Um, but hear me out. We're going to have Bryce Dallas Howard. You say rice. No, Bryce, Spider-Man three.
01:05:46
Speaker
Okay. well Max, you could have said from Jurassic world. From the Grinch. you didn't You didn't have to do a dirty like this. This is harsh.
01:05:58
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Yeah. We like brush styles, Howard. She was in Jurassic world. She's a bit of a draw. She was in one of the Twilight movies. Yeah. She's um she's Victoria in number three because they recast Victoria. um and And Sam Rockwell. Sam Rockwell was in three billboards.
01:06:16
Speaker
and other movies. Seven Psychopaths, Martin McDonough. He's in a couple of Marty M. we love We love Sam Rockwell. But more importantly, he was in Galaxy Quest. That is indeed what everyone thinks of. This is this is what we're thinking like thematically, right? Big Galaxy Quest. Yeah, because it's like real on life. it's like real life people It's like fake people who did acting stuff go and do the real thing. Yeah, it's like that, but it's like it's a less funny.
01:06:46
Speaker
Oh, I, I got the sense this was funny. It is just less funny than galaxy quest. I mean, everything's less funny than Galaxy Quest. Let's be real. Nothing can be as funny as Galaxy Quest. But I feel feel like i'm I'm losing the point. She um goes to London to discover the ending to her book, which is actually the secret to finding the secret to the Master Key. And she has to do this with Sam Rockwell, who is ah also a defecting agent who used to know her in her past life, but doesn't any she doesn't know that he knows her but he knows that she he knows her and also used to be her lover but she doesn't know who he is um and um then they do some fight scenes and they're are fine um and then i'm sorry did you just describe the fight scenes as fine and it no it's it's all right they hide under a floorboard that's like the most exciting bit um i'm sorry okay no please continue i don't want to interrupt
01:07:46
Speaker
And then her dad, who's played by Brian Cranston. Oh, Brian Cranston's in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, we had to spend the rest of the budget somehow. Um, and, uh, he's actually the head of the evil villain organization that she has been writing about oh her dad. Yeah. So why, uh, we don't see him before this point in the movie. Oh, this is a, this is a realization. This is a reveal.
01:08:15
Speaker
Yeah, so he's revealed as her dad, but also as the bad guy. o And we knew he was the bad guy earlier, but it's not her dad. And he has a shotgun called Clementine for no reason. There's no other characters called Clementine. We just thought it would be fun. Is it fun? I don't know. It was fun.
01:08:40
Speaker
I'm getting more and more worried about this movie we've given you $200 million dollars for. Um, and then, and then, um, she's going to go to France, but she's going to fall asleep. Oh, cause she's tired. That happens. And then she made Samuel L. Jackson, who's not the same guy from the Kingsman, but we asked on the Kingsman universe. Just keep that in mind. And then they're going to reveal, um, at a time where it doesn't really feel like we get to have, we got to know her character that well.
01:09:08
Speaker
um that she is actually a different character and she's sort of like half uncovering it but without really any concrete grounding for us as the audience to identify with because she doesn't actually change the way that she acts in between the different ah characterizations of the same person where one is timid and anxiety-ridden and one's are and ah one of the best spies in the world.
01:09:30
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um
01:09:32
Speaker
And then she goes back and then she defects and then she defects from the defection and then they do like this weird dance number fight scene and then they do the thing from Captain America and the Winter Soldier where they say a bunch of words and then she becomes mind control um and then they win the day and then they imply there's a second movie and then we do a press credit scene that tells you it's kingspin i'm gonna be real with you this sounds amazing i love it
01:10:05
Speaker
I feel like this went off for way too long. It did. This bit died ages ago. This bit died. Just like how this movie is two hours and 19 minutes and shouldn't be that freaking length. So I'm going to be real with you, Max. I forgot the whole bit about the Keeper of Secrets. No, I think Matthew Vaughn forgot about that part as well. And the subplot with the girl who dies, then comes back to life. Oh, because of the vascular highway?
01:10:32
Speaker
as of um because it's called Chekhov's Vascular Highway. I also Chekhov's guns in this movie too. Chekhov's Clementine. ah this This movie... um So first of all, I want to point out what I mentioned before about how they use the writing thing, but they do it stupid. It's it's the it's the Vascular Highway thing. That's stupid. um I didn't like it. i It's dumb. Is it even real?
01:11:04
Speaker
i'm looking it up right now so i had different i had different problem with the with the with the way the writer was portrayed in this movie in uh guile real it's not telling oh arterial and cardiac aging no that's just a journal that's like actual that's actual information i don't need that all right i'm it's not telling me anything Um, I feel like it's, it's kind of strange because she, the way the way introduced to her as a character is like, she was in a skiing accident and then she became a writer because she wanted to be right. Um, and like that's a, that's a premise I think is fine. I think, I think there was nothing wrong with that as an idea, but then the product that we get is this super like commercialized, like, um,
01:12:03
Speaker
spy novel series, which I mean, like it's not the most ridiculous thing to imagine that someone writes a best-selling series and corporatizes capitalizes on it, but it's also that not the kind of writer that I would write a story around.
01:12:18
Speaker
um like I don't know if that if you get that impression as well, where it doesn't feel like we're following someone who loves writing, we're following someone who has been able to make a lot of money off writing.
01:12:33
Speaker
Yeah, I think I get you the, it feels like the passion's kind of missing a little bit. Um, which yeah, I feel like is strange given that like we're expected to, or we're told to believe that that's all she wants to do, but we don't really get that beyond like, she's super quick at writing cause it all just flows to her naturally. Um, yeah. And it's.
01:12:58
Speaker
I guess like it's I keep saying it's fine. And I think that's just because that's my opinion on this movie. It's because there is nothing in this movie that to me is more than like average, I think. and The fact that we get these ideas that almost feel half-baked, um we have her as a writer being thrown into an uncomfortable situation, that's ah that's a cool idea. um We've seen it done before. We saw it in Romance of the Stone.
01:13:29
Speaker
We said how in romancing the stone, it could have been pushed more. And this film definitely had an opportunity to do that. But instead they turned her into a different character and didn't fully flush out either. Um, they, um, have plot points that are integral to the plot, but aren't explored for like, for instance, why did she get wet? What happened when she picked up the phone? Wait, which one?
01:13:55
Speaker
There's okay. So there's a big blank spot in the core plot, core turning point in the movie where right she as a spy agent goes to pick up the burner for an outside of this like statue or whatever. ah Right. And then we get told there's an accident and then she gets brainwashed by the bad guys. Right. Right. Yeah. Um, but then we never find out what the cause of that was. And that sort of feels important. The explosion.
01:14:25
Speaker
What explosion? The one that went off when she killed the hacker. What explosion when she killed the hacker? So there's the moment where we get the point POV, because she does the stuff where she tracks the guy um who so she she she obviously she does that fix where she figures out inside the burner phones, the tracking device.
01:14:46
Speaker
She then finds him. He gives her the silver bullet. She shoots him in the head and then all this, all his computers go like, that's right. And it blows. Everything blows up. i kind concerned yeah That's so fair, dude. This movie, this movie doesn't deserve your full attention. So I want to just kind of say something. Everything good in this movie was done better in Kingsman.
01:15:12
Speaker
Yeah, the action is very much like, oh, that's kind of King's Mini. It is King's Mini, but it's better in Kingsman. Like, it's just is straight up better. The scene that's meant to be the most. Wow. Is a scene like the rip straight out of Kingsman. I'm talking about the scene where there's all the colorful smirk and all that. ah That's just the head explosion scene at the end of the first Kingsman movie. But the first Kingsman movie, I was reading somewhere And I wanna, I'm reiterating because I agree with this and i I liked how they put it. Basically the first Kingsman movie spends its whole ah runtime affirming that it's a silly, fun spy espionage film with silly, fun action. And that scene there basically just confirms it for the audience. Like this is dumb. This is fun. Watch Barack Obama's head explode in a colorful mushroom cloud. This movie,
01:16:11
Speaker
it tries to like kind of split the difference between being like not as silly and and fun as Kingsman and so when that scene rocks up it just feels unearned and we like it doesn't it didn't spend the time getting us ready for that level of silliness it just kind of had us watch Bryce Dallas Howard be really, yeah ah she's a very irritating character in this movie, which I guess is by design, but that doesn't mean it's the correct choice. i don't I don't think it is. I really don't think it is. I think you don't think she's meant to be annoying. I don't think she's meant to be annoying. Then they fuck up. Because I think what they're trying to do is they're trying to have her play two different characters.
01:16:55
Speaker
And I think there is a movie where that there is place for that. um And there is a movie where the reveal is that she is has actually been a secret spy agent the whole time.
01:17:09
Speaker
um but The way it's revealed in this and the fact that it's this sort of like memory loss, amnesia, brainwashing thing feels really cheap. yeah um And as a result, we get these two characters that we can't distinguish between, but neither of which are fully fleshed.
01:17:28
Speaker
yeah And as like, I think what that means is that the character does come across as annoying because we don't know what the character is actually trying to do. We don't understand their motivation. yeah um don't really get good insight into what the character's like. And this is very true of um Ellie, who we know as she's anxious and she likes cats and that's about it. And then the spy who's a really good spy, but we don't know anything else about it. What's really irritating about that reveal is that there's been no indication of it but beforehand.
01:18:12
Speaker
Like right after the reveal, samuelrow goes sam rockckerel Sam Rockwell goes to punch Bryce Dallas Howard in the face to kind of prove a point and she blocks it and then they have a fight where her ah training kicks in and her reflexes kick in and she beats him because she's the best spy and that's perfectly fine.
01:18:30
Speaker
But what would have been cool is maybe earlier we had seen something, her do something, like she'd picked up a gun and shot someone or something. Like there is a moment where she's holding a gun and she has like a panic attack about it and it's played as a joke because Sam Rockall just takes it out of her hand. He's like, oh, thank you.
01:18:46
Speaker
There's just no moment beforehand where we could be like, oh wait, maybe there's something more to her than that. The closest we get. as I think we both think of the same thing as at the start where someone asks, are you a spy? And she goes, no. Is that it? Yeah, yeah it's exactly that. um There's a series of famous spy novelists who turned out to be involved in espionage.
01:19:08
Speaker
And she gets asked a question in a book launch scene at the beginning of the film. Is it a book launch or just like a kind of like when Wolf is gone? No, it was a launch. It was definitely a launch. I thought because the fifth book was about to come out, but it hasn't come out yet. Yeah, but they were like, maybe it was a reading. It was just a reading,
Spy Character Debate in Film
01:19:24
Speaker
yeah. The point is, is she gets asked,
01:19:27
Speaker
Um, like, are you a spy? And she says, no. Um, and that's that would be a spy would tell you, spy would say that, um, there's no other indication but there's no other indication that she, she is a spy in training. We don't even all like us in like, econ in, yeah, she's got the skills, but she doesn't have the, the memories. memories Like she has no indication that she has those reflexes. There's abilities. There's no, it feels like a really strange approach to do it as.
01:19:57
Speaker
Um, she's forgotten that she's a spy rather than like, she's being a spy and also an author or, um, something I like the other work around. I was thinking might've worked would be something like, um, she was trained as like a child assassin, like black widow or something like that. Um.
01:20:22
Speaker
And then like they did something with that where it's it's more that she has all these skills because she was like indoctrinated as a child and used like curbing mechanisms to lock it all up or something. Um, I feel like even that would be more engaging as a idea than like, yep, she was just a spy though.
01:20:44
Speaker
I thought what was going to happen was it was going to turn out that for some reason she'd had the memories of another spy put into her brain and like maybe there was going to be like that's that's insane by the way I realized that but that's kind of how much they didn't set up her being the spy was that I thought that they're going to have with the chiddly implanted memories of someone else in her before she it turned out she was actually the spy And then just everything else around it, like the reveal that she's still working with the bad guys, the ah the whole end climax is garbage, the going to the keeper of secrets and that holds so boring. It's it's just boring. It's the promise of like the start is actually kind of fun too.
01:21:30
Speaker
i think i think there's there's I think the movie is good in the first few scenes. We get a scene which is um Henry Cavill as Argyle and doing a like a chase scene that's fun and a little bit silly, but it's fun. It's fine. It can be silly because it's meant to be this hyper-realistic Yeah, exactly. But there's just no contrast though is between those two worlds. we get We get that. We get her like launch, which I feel like was like made sense within the story. She gets on the train and there's a train, the train fight scene um is good. And I feel like Sam Rockwell's character there is particularly interesting. Yeah. um But then, and this is, I think almost reflected in the fact that as soon as they get off the train, he shapes. Yeah.
01:22:18
Speaker
And I think he's a much more interesting looking, like visually interesting looking character as the like a weird, like bearded guy who kind of looks like he like goes hiking and goes on like nature retreats and whatever. And slash or is homeless. And slash or is homeless. Um, but, um, I feel like that's more.
01:22:43
Speaker
interesting way to look at like modern espionage, as like because there was a there's a lot of there was discussion about the fact that like well no one actually dresses in suits and shit. um But then they just do that. But then they do that anyway, instead of actually reaffirming like no, modern espionage is a lot more covert um than you think it is. And um I feel like they could have played into that more. I feel like even a lot of the action scenes and I know you briefly mentioned this.
01:23:14
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um a while back as well, but this movie is only rated M in Australia. I think that is PG-13 in the States.
Action and Visual Storytelling Critique
01:23:22
Speaker
I don't know why that is in Ireland. That's out. There's there's a fuck word um in this as well. so get your one You get your one F word. You can say fuck. We can say fuck. i know but like Anyway, um like, the violence isn't as you gruesome as it could be, um which is part of what makes the Kingsmen. Our Kingsmen Secret Service really um fun and like visually interesting is that a lot of this
01:23:54
Speaker
Like Action Company is backed up with this like hyper-realistic gore, um and they sort of imply at that a lot of the time as well. yeah like but there's a crunch scene The head crunch scene is she's being taught how to crush someone's head with her foot.
01:24:08
Speaker
and In the end, Sam Rockwell's character does that, but we don't see it because we can't see it because the movie's only rated PG-13 on Sam. It's implying something so oddly like gross in a movie that it's just weird that it's there because the rest of the movie doesn't back up that type of action for these characters to do. Does that make sense? Yeah, exactly. and um Or even things like um we get a really early she scene of Bryan Cranston shooting one of his lackeys with yes his shotgun. and
01:24:40
Speaker
Has this like violence to the way it's demonstrated this He slings it over the back of his shoulder and shoots him while not looking at him in this sort of like very callous um approach, but yeah, we don't see the true like violence of it and I feel like This is true in almost every aspect of the film I feel like almost everything in this film could have been pushed just a little bit more just make it a little bit more um have a little bit more energy, have a little bit more characterization, have a little bit more, um, just, uh, dynamism to it, um, to make it a more interesting, um, film and a more fun film because at its core, I think this movie could have been really, really fun. I agree. I got some, I got some other notes. I don't know how much more you've got, but I got some notes.
01:25:35
Speaker
could I I'll just quickly say a couple and then we'll go you can yeah you're probably more prepared and you have more to say so i just I'll just quickly finish off my stuff ah basically the two things I think are really crappy this kind of ratchet roll into one is that the as mentioned before there's no real contrast between the hyper realistic slash like stupid world of the spy novel that Ellie wrote versus the real life that this film is showing. And I think they missed a beat basically in showing the difference. And we've we talked about this, but just like just really like like going into like how it's sort of CGI and crappy looking in the real in the sorry, in the fake world, the book world, I feel like they could have stylistically
01:26:17
Speaker
use that $200 million dollars to make the real world look more normal and all that. And then the next thing, sorry, yeah sorry, yeah just on that, like it, it feels like not only did they but like Because there's two options they could have gone on with there, right? is You either have the superhi realalistic the the like super the-realism of the novel and then the realism of the world, or you try and ground them both into gritty realism and go, well, the spy novel is actually the real life thing because of...
01:26:50
Speaker
She's actually a spy, like, uh, but they don't do either of those. They sort of know both of them in this Sammy hyper-realistic state. And it's in the same world, basically. Cause it's obviously because the book is her memories, but yeah then she's told off for writing that because that's apparently not realistic, but then it is exactly what happened. So it's like messed up that that's how, say rock was basically lying straight up at points. Um,
01:27:17
Speaker
The other thing I just want to say is there is that initial action sequence where and on the train where Sam Rockall keeps switching with Henry Cavill and the agent, Agent Argyle. And I think what would have been really interesting there, and they kind of play with this a little bit, but they don't do it enough for it to be ah something I thought was actually well done, is when Henry Cavill is there, he's he's more chill, he's more in control of the situation. He has the time to like,
01:27:43
Speaker
art know ifvi I can't remember if she does this, but it's like the time to pick up a martini and drink it during the fight and stuff like that. Whereas Sam Rockwell's continuously on the back foot and is, you know, getting the shit being out of him by most of these people. And they just, they should have pushed that contrast further. I agree. they They had a really interesting opportunity to do more with that over the
Product Placement and Humor Issues
01:28:03
Speaker
course of the film. But once you get past that scene, I think, uh, Henry Cavill sort of appears like, yeah, two or three, like hallucinatory scenes. And then yeah he's just not there for the rest of the film. Because until the very end, we're talking about it. Yeah, it's just kind of weird in that they like have this idea and then didn't use it. And I mean, again, that just comes back to be the whole thing of like them just not pushing the ideas as far as I could have gone, I think. um So yeah, go through your points. I just want to know, this is Apple production. I did see that. Yep. this
01:28:43
Speaker
was particularly strange to me. um Apple notoriously does not like having their products in films. Um, yeah, they don't let bad guys use it. They don't let the bad guys use Apple products ever. It's against the rules because Apple wants to protect their brand or whatever. The amount of Apple product placement in this film is ridiculous. Hmm. It's i didn't think about it yes insane. Given the fact that Apple has been so protective of their brand, um, phesaus for so, so many years that
01:29:19
Speaker
Every scene pretty much has an Apple device in it. and it's not it's They do it subtly and I think as a result, they do it quite well um in terms of just using product placement.
01:29:31
Speaker
but the fact that she types on an iMac and then has a Mac laptop and then talks to her parents on her AirPods while doing a FaceTime. Um, and, um, Samuel and Jackson is looking at the sports, but he's also got three iPads. Um, like it's, it's just like very, very strange to me, uh, growing up in an environment where like Apple didn't make films. Apple doesn't make films. This is like something in the last 12 months, right? Apple doesn't make films. And then suddenly.
01:30:01
Speaker
Like, and and well, here's all your Apple products in the film. Well, were you expecting to do it and kills the flower moon? No, but I wasn't expecting that to do it full stop. It's that was just a joke. Yeah, I know. But it is sort of just to be like, Apple had sort of positioned themselves to as this like, high class It's film and television, like new media space kind of, um, television. They're definitely doing well, but movies, they've been video miss. Yeah. And, and, um, I feel like they're trying to like cultivate this brand of like high, not highbrow, but like, um, very.
01:30:40
Speaker
well polished sort of cinema and television. And it just feels very strange. Yeah. And I feel like the fact that there's so much Apple product placement in this film sort of takes away from that a little bit, maybe because it's so obvious because it's not something that's been done before. It's yeah the fact, I think the novelty of it is, is, is strange to me. Um, I,
01:31:06
Speaker
I have a lot of notes in here about how I think think things could have been pushed more, and I think how it was lacking a little bit of originality compared to something like Kingsman, which which did this ah similar style to this film, but in a more engaging way. um But one of my big notes here I have is, they were like every now and again, we got a funny gag.
01:31:29
Speaker
And I think this movie, I'm not going to say this movie is not funny at times. This movie is funny at times. Um, but there's only so much inherent comedy in anxious person in an uncomfortable position. Hmm. Right. And a lot of the comedy of this movie is based around like, Oh no, she's anxious and she loves her cat and she's going to drop the cat off the building. I don't want, I'm not a big fan of dropping the cat off the building, even if the CGI angle looks gross. It was quite uncomfortable to watch that.
01:31:58
Speaker
Um, and and it just makes me not like Sam Rockwell in that scene. That's fair. Um, and then also they jump onto the cat and I'm definitely sure the cat would have got squished. Um, that's what I was thinking. I was like, how are they stopping? Like they would land on it. That's in the trailer, by the way. Like, yeah, it's
01:32:21
Speaker
How come she was so chill in doing murders in like about to commit murders before she found out she was a spy? Like I get the explanation of she was always a spy, but also she was, she says, yeah, I wanted to in reference to doing the head crunch where they stomp on the person's head. We see her trying to stomp on someone's head to curb stomp them into the, into the brain mush, but she's just like a person who writes books.
01:32:51
Speaker
yeah That's kind of messed up and not explained at all. She very quickly turns to violence yeah without any reason for it because especially since the neuroses and the idiosyncrasies of the Ali Conway personality run so strong that she can't even do it. It's weird that.
01:33:11
Speaker
ah like conway she's still la calmway at this point would she's She's scared to hold a gun, but is willing to stand over a guy on the floor and that try and curb stomp him. Yeah, she was willing to try. It's just odd. Yeah, it's um yeah yeah it's very strange. and Um, the CGI cat is gross and Matthew Vaughn doesn't need a cinematic universe and, um, it's fun, but it could have been more fun. I think it could have been a lot more fun. Should've just made Kingsman 3. No, cause there's Kingsman 3 already, but it's Kingsman 3. The Kingsman is not Kingsman 3. Um, do you have any further notes Mitchell? Make Kingsman 3. But do it good. Don't do Kingsman 2. Do, do good Kingsman.
01:33:59
Speaker
Kingsman and Kingsman the Secret Service is both good. ah So I guess like the Cinematic Universe is like two for four. Like they've done a 30% job. but Yeah, but like does this movie even count? It's only in the Cinematic Universe because of the last scene where where they in the pub.
01:34:23
Speaker
Yeah, which pub is that? There's no Kingsman pub, it's a tailor. The Kingsman is not a pub, it's a tailor shop. I know, but like, then there's a whole thing about it. It's dumb. It's dumb. Let's just move on. We need to wrap this up. You got some scores? I have some scores, but I went first last time. So I don't know if you want me to go first again. Right. I can go first. Um, I gave Argyle two people named Argyle and the made up character Argyle out of five. That's a two and a half out of five.
01:34:52
Speaker
Who's the two people who killed Argyle? So there's Argyle. Oh, yeah. And then there's Argyle from the end credits scene. Oh, I didn't watch that one. His name is like Awanza Argyle or whatever his name is. Oh, really? I can't remember. Oh. Yeah, that's the whole reveal. He's like, can I have a martini with the twist? And he's like, I don't want anything except the twist. And he gets a gun and he's like, oh, what's your name, by the way? And he's like, I'm...
01:35:17
Speaker
Al Fonser, the ah learning, a guy and that's not his first name, I don't remember what his first name was and I don't really care. But he was Argyle, the whole point he was Argyle. So there's Argyle
Character Behavior and Narrative Flaws
01:35:27
Speaker
and then there was Argyle, who was Argyle, and then there was also Argyle, it was Henry Cavill, who was not really a guy but also was a guy.
01:35:37
Speaker
So therefore my two people named Argyle made up character Argyle. That makes sense. I'm giving this movie two Kingsman movies I would rather have watched instead. it's the Which ones? The first one in the Kingsman. Kingsman's Secret Service, it's from the Secret Service, Golden Circle has its moments, but I really don't like what they did to the world. I don't even that i don't like they blew it all up. That's what I'm saying. I don't like that. it was that's That's a third movie move, not a second movie move.
01:36:07
Speaker
Just like don't blow up your whole world. Like don't kill of Roxanne. Don't kill of major characters. Don't kill of Roxy. She was, she should have stuck around. It's insane that they killed off Roxy. She was like, it's it it honestly feels like fridging. Although to be fair, if I was going to write a third Kingsman movie, I would argue we didn't see the body. That's very true. I'd bring her back. I would bring her back.
01:36:32
Speaker
With the highway, the cardiovascular highway, or whatever the fuck it is. Yeah, the cardiovascular explosion highway. If you get exploited through two centimeter tube right in the middle of your chest. Yeah. If you get blown up at the right angle, you only lose half your body, not all of it. And you can live through that if it's patched up. And then stab with five things that you give to someone having an adrenaline.
01:37:01
Speaker
Yeah, but like they were in EpiPens. Yeah, you can do that. That's a thing. No, I know. That's what EpiPens are. It's epinephrine.
Trivia and Pop Culture Banter
01:37:08
Speaker
It's just adrenaline. Oh, yeah. Yes. That's, they are just EpiPens. The fact they had so many EpiPens in the cupboard was kind of strange. Someone might, there might be so many people. have Guys, guys, guys, this is a peanut free spy base. Ah, damn it. Jeffrey brought in peas again. Peas? Jeffrey, you're a allowed peas, not peanuts.
01:37:30
Speaker
Oh, I'm sorry. I just love my, um, saute. yeah Jeffrey, this is a, this is a top secret warship. Jeffrey, not allowed to onto our, can you not see the sign on the wall? Evil says no to peanuts. Dude, we need to move on.
01:37:54
Speaker
Oh, fan mail Oh my God. That was a real, that was a real life one. That wasn't recorded. Yeah. I forgot to press a button. So I just did it. Oh, we're doing, we're not doing fan mail though. Are we? We're doing, no we're not doing fan mail. We're doing our new segment. Cause no one gave us fan mail in the news segment. Yeah. film ball
01:38:23
Speaker
Yay! Why are you even showing me? I don't even see it. I showed you last time, and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna show you again. Oh. But like, no one else can see that. Alright. Have we decided whether we're gonna do one question or six questions? Do six, but we'll do it quicker than last time. Okay. The time is going.
01:38:40
Speaker
I can't read this because there's no light in my house. Um, nothing goes over my head. My reflexes are too fast. I would catch it. Tracks from the Guardians of the Galaxy. Uh, that is correct. What does Guy, the main character in Free Guy, surprisingly discover about himself? He's AI. He's a, he's a, he's a NPC. How about using an NPC in an online game? Oh, okay. Yeah. Which actor was nominated for an Oscar for screenwriting on The Monuments Men?
01:39:10
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George Clooney. George Clooney is correct. Who directed at Ferris Bueller's Day Off? We talked about this. We didn't talk about this. but We talked about this director. We did.
01:39:25
Speaker
a I can't remember. It is John Hughes who wrote the screenplay for Inception. Was it Jonathan Nolan? john It was not Jonathan Nolan. It was Christopher Nolan. It wasnt it was him. It was him. What the member of the Coppola family wrote the music for The Godfather? Sophia. No, no, no, no, no. no that's The brother. I don't know the brother's name. The son. I don't remember. I don't remember his name. It's the son though. And his Carmine Coppola, the father of director Francis Ford Coppola.
01:39:59
Speaker
Mitch, I believe you got one, two, three. Three out of six. Damn it. I was doing so well. 50% which is not a pass. That is a pass. That is a pass. At RMIT, that's a pass. Damn. And my, and I think Melbourne as well. I think, yeah, I think most of the unis are like 50% pass, which is like wild. No, that's, you got 50%. No, but it's like, you know, half of the stuff.
01:40:28
Speaker
yeah's Yeah, that's good enough. As long as it's not med school, that's good enough. But like, why is med school different? Med school? Yeah, either 50% of the stuff. Yeah, it's fine. If 50% of your cases live, you know, I kind of want that to win. I don't even, I didn't even do exams, dude. Um,
01:40:49
Speaker
Thank you. I was wondering what I was waiting for and it was that, uh, this has been the blockbuster podcast. I've been the writer Mitch. And I've been the animator, but also a writer at times. Max. I just, I wanted to like, like, I know you can write, but I just wanted to like, you know, you prefer animated. I assume you'd rather identify as an animator than a writer. ah I mean, I guess, I don't know. That's your skill set. Identify as a podcaster.
01:41:15
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Oh, you can send us questions, reviews, and more to hate mail at blockbuster.com. Yeah, that very much. So yeah, we are walking with red flags, red flags, wanted hate mail at blockbuster potty at gmail.com. That's potty spelled P O double D I E. You don't send us in questions, reviews, and more to hate mail. We are going to keep doing the previous segment. Film buff, film buff. And we'll come up with a sound for that to put in the segment at some point.
01:41:45
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not just the Family Feud theme. I mean, like we can do the Family Feud theme as well, but like, then we have like one of us over talking about it. Don't let go. Film buff. ah You can also find us on- You can also find us on the app formerly known as Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok at the username bbpotty. Please leave us a five star review so that we can get on the charts and annoy more people without really amazing, but also probably as nine film takes. And, um, our really long segments where we pretend to be directors, but like we also forget that we're doing a British accent for most of it.
Outro and Audience Engagement
01:42:23
Speaker
We, you, I was fine. I like, I like the way we've done that twice. It's like that meme, the doofenshmirtz meme where it's like, if I had, if this happened, I'd have a nickel every time this happened. I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's odd that it happened twice. That was a bad doofenshmirtz. Uh, this week.
01:42:46
Speaker
Perry the Platypus! That was good. That was a good one. That was that was all right. Yeah. A platypus? A platypus plumber? Perry the platypus plumber? Perry the platypus? Dan Perfumaya, come on the podcast. Can you please? That would give us so much clout and also you're funny. Much funnier than us. Yeah, please save this podcast. This week, don't be a writer. so You'll end up at Macca's.
01:43:13
Speaker
I knew you've never worked a day at Maccas in your life. Not yet. I haven't finished the degree yet. I've worked at Maccas and I'm not a writer. Yeah. You just said you were. But ah but like on occasion. But that make once a writer, always a writer, as I always say. I don't know.
01:43:34
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you've You've really managed to unmix this music, by the way. I don't know how I did that. Impressive. That was like a bad outro. It's fine. It'll work. Skibbity toilet. Skibbity... Skibbity scab! Stop the frickin' thing! Film buff! Inconceivable!