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A Meta-Tation on Media - Adaptation & Deadpool + Wolverine
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Max and Mitch break every single wall as they delve into some metatextual media. They'll lose their minds as they try to re-write someone else's work in Adaptation (2002) before pulling on some unflattering spandex and delving into the waste bin of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in Deadpool & Wolverine (2024).
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Introduction and Agenda
00:00:00
Speaker
I was yawning! Yeah, you've got the four bars on whatever it Welcome to Blockbuster, the movie review podcast where we break more walls than is appropriate for a piece of media. I'm Meta Mitch. And I am Max. Today, no, we're doing this again. Run it again. That was garbage. I was trying to think of a joke. is. Not all of them can be winners. I was trying to think of a joke and I'm just not that quick today.
00:00:37
Speaker
Well, think of, you know, no one wants to say, think of something now. Yeah. I don't know if that's going to help to be honest. Well, you can just say metamax. Yeah, but the way to make it the same joke. Fine. I'll make a different joke. You can have metamax. No, that's fine. You keep yours. You keep yours. I'll think of something.
00:00:58
Speaker
Welcome to Blockbusted, the movie review podcast where we break more walls than is appropriate for a piece of media. I'm Neda Mitch. And I'm uncredited writer Max. And today we are looking at, uh, oh, I had the last week's North story. Alright, let's try it again. Take it from the top.
00:01:25
Speaker
Welcome to Blockbuster, the movie review podcast where we break more walls and is appropriate for a piece of media to ever do. I'm Meta Mitch. And I'm exp expert demolitionist Max. And today we are looking at adaptation and Deadpool and Wolverine.
00:01:52
Speaker
That made it sound like it was three movies. adaptation and Deadpool and Wolverine. Oh, yeah, that's true. um Adaptation and adaptation Deadpool and Wolverine. That definitely that definitely that's definitely three movies. Yes, it is three movies. I said adaptation Deadpool and Wolverine. That's two movies. Adaptation Deadpool. And and the second movie Wolverine. Yeah. Adaptation Deadpool. I mean, I'm hoping people can just hear the ampersand. Would you watch it? What? Adaptation Deadpool? Or Wolverine? I've seen Wolverine. No, no. Adaptation Deadpool. Ah. Like, like if they got um Charlie Kaufman on to write a Deadpool script.
00:02:45
Speaker
Charlie Kaufman. with Spike Jones making a movie about Meta Deadpool. Would I like that?
00:03:01
Speaker
and Would I want to go see it? I'd go see it probably, like guaranteed I'd go see it. Yeah, but you'd go see if Joss Whedon made Deadpool 4.
00:03:11
Speaker
See, if Joss Whedon made it, there'd be a I would feel conflicted about it because I wouldn't want to go see it because of Joss Whedon. Not because I think he's a bad writer, but because I think he's a bad person. Even back writer bad writer, bad creative. He's done other things than just write. But i I would not feel comfortable going to go see it. It'd be like if I went and saw a Kevin Spacey movie i nowadays. I wouldn't be comfortable and I probably wouldn't do it if I could dodge it.
00:03:39
Speaker
Is it true that actually I want to talk about this later. Um, nevermind. Um, Hey guys, welcome to the episode this week and the week of this episode. Yeah, I've got a special guest this episode too. Is it your sickness? It is my sickness. I'm sick in case you can't tell. I actually guessed that. I didn't know that was going to be good. I don't know if like it makes my voice more nasally than it normally is because it's normally pretty nasally. So maybe you can't tell but I'm sick. So if ah this is unhinged or
00:04:21
Speaker
Boring? That's why. Let's go for the first instead of the second. I feel like Unhinged will do us better than Boring. But yeah, we're looking at two movies that are feeling pretty metatextual, feeling pretty ah past four walls or so.
Exploring Meta in Movies
00:04:43
Speaker
Reaching out, ticklin tickling the audience's chin, going coochie coochie coo. And the Sometimes literally. Sometimes literally reaching. I mean, adaptation. There was a point with adaptation where Chris Nicholas Cage, Chris Cage, Nicholas Cage did come out of my TV screen, much like the girl from the ring and went and like tickled my tickle me under the chin. Yeah, that's why you pay for the box, right?
00:05:09
Speaker
D box like motion i mean the the motion recliners actually real with you adaptation was I watched it at home I didn't watch it at cinema cuz it's yeah what about your recliners at home Mitchell I don't have any don't tell me you don't have motion recliners at home max I can't fit ah a recliner let alone a motion one
00:05:32
Speaker
Uh, but yeah, we're looking at some meta movies. Um, and we're going to break the fourth wall as much as possible today. Just to, let's talk why we do the audience that's why we're talking to you directly in the audience. Yeah. We never, we actually never do that. Uh, we never talked directly to the audience, but this time we are. We can't talk directly to the audience if there is no audience.
00:05:57
Speaker
3,000 bots didn't download our podcast. we have it It was 2,997. Did you know that's mostly Ireland now? like The numbers are mostly in Ireland. I'm still not sure how how accurate those numbers are. It'd be really sad if it turned out that we've been lied to this whole time. Because the Spotify numbers and the Apple numbers don't like line up with that. Really? Yeah. Isn't it that most of the people who listen to our stuff are from Other? Yeah, but like... What is Other? What is Other? It's true. What is Other? What is Other? People illegally... Are they pirating our podcast? I don't think you can... Can you illegally pirate our podcast? What would you need to? It's free. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Maybe they want to own the podcast.
00:06:51
Speaker
Do they want to own the pod? You can own our podcast. Actually, no, you can't. It's out. Don't do that. That's, we made it. We worked really hard. Then we forgot about it. We watch movies for you so you don't have to. We'd recommend watching them anyway, though. So you can get the full scope of our conversation. It's been seven minutes. Let's, uh, should we get started? Let's get started. Yeah. Well, you know, you're not including the amount of the, the two guffed interest. How long was that? Like, at least this is not getting get cut out. Let's just move into the next, um, the next section.
00:07:28
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Alrighty, tidy adaptation, which I almost keep calling adaption. That would be bad. Uh, released in 2002 and directed by Spike Jones. We got him back. He's back on the podcast max. Oh, he's drinking. He can't reply on him. Here we go. Yes.
00:07:50
Speaker
Mmm, drunk Mac, drunk Max, sick Max is a me and my cold tea. I should actually I should get a beer. It stars Nicholas Cage, Nicholas Cage, Meryl Streep, Chris Cooper, Brian Cox and Tilda Swinton. Max. What is this movie about? So, um, for those familiar with adaptation, uh, you will know that this movie is not what it says. And this is about on the tin sort of, um, adaptation is the story of, um, oh my God, I've said his name before. like
00:08:32
Speaker
like oh it was i'm just bully charlie cofman and The story of Charlie Kaufman, played by Nicholas Cage, trying to adapt a non-fiction book called The Orchid of Thief um into a movie um and the struggle that he has with that. and the struggles that he has with, um, his process of writing and, um, the sort of way that adaptations are are approached and the cliches of Hollywood. I'd say that's pretty accurate synopsis without coming too much away. Sorry. i I mean, you say that, oh, spoiler alert, I keep getting put the spoiler alert in these bad ways. Spoiler alert, by the way, we will spoil it, but maybe, I don't know. Do we want to like not spoil like a little bit and then go into it or do we just want to go into it?
00:09:22
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I think we can just go into it. We can give him a spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. way way I like a the movie. Uh, I liked it. Um, it's definitely a movie that I feel I needed to be in the right mood to watch though.
Debating 'Adaptation' Spoilers
00:09:46
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And I might not be in that mood being that I kind of left it to the last minute and, uh, had to shotgun the first half directly after seeing Deadpool and Wolverine last night. Uh, not a good look. Okay. Let's, let's start this off. These movies do not go together. They're very different movies. When we talk about being meta, if our theme for this week is meta, they're meta for different ways. They're very meta for different reasons. Absolutely. We'll get into this, but whereas Deadpool is meta in its self-awareness, adaptation is meta in its commentary on the process of filmmaking. There's no actual... Oh, sorry.
00:10:32
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Sorry, I've just blanked again. Yeah. Sorry. Did I just ruin your your train of thought? My train of thought is like getting stuck in like mucus at the moment. So yeah, well what I was gonna say was Actually if I forgot to cool ah good We're doing this is a good podcast dude good podcast Yeah, we did we did pretty well last week and I was like we've still got the chops We may have done like a re beginners luck last week Um, I really like this movie. Oh, actually what I was going to say was there's no fourth wall breaks in this movie. That's not, it's not the type of meta that we're talking about in this. That doesn't, unimportant, whatever. Anyway, um, this movie, I really like it because I really enjoy what it's saying about screenwriting and what you need to give
00:11:25
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to write or to create, not even just screenwriting, but just to create in general. It uses the medium of screenwriting. because the person who wrote this originally is a screenwriter, so it could speak to that medium. But I feel like it's pretty applicable to kind of just all art, a lot of words talking about and how, you know, there's a side, what really stuck with me was the second half of the movie. And you could say that's probably because I maybe watched that less than an hour ago. And so that's why that part of it is more um prevalent in my mind than the first half. But I also think that it actually takes 50% of the movie to get to the point where I think things are properly interesting. I do think there's a bit of chaff in the first half, but the second half really saves it because
00:12:09
Speaker
I think once Nicholas Cage's brother, Nicholas Cage, Donald Kaufman, who I think is actually a real person. He's also a real person as well, right? No. I swear there's a- Don Kaufman does not exist. I swear there is a- He's credited on the movie. He does not exist. Does Charlie Kaufman... have a brother. Hmm. OK, you're right. It is just for this movie. I read that he was credited. So I was like, oh, because I didn't think Charlie Kaufman had a brother. And then he was credited. I went, oh, is he real? then Yeah, sir. So.
00:12:51
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um Obviously this, this one, obviously this movie is about the making of this movie. Um, which even the making just like the writing of the screen. Yeah. The writing yeah of, of, of, um, this movie and, and, um, we get, we get that in a, in a various different ways, both in terms of, um, Nicolas Cage expositing to to the camera, um or not to the camera, but expositing events that we've already seen, or events that are happening concurrently, um along with things that are sort of, yeah, meta-textual, like um ah Donald Kaufman, a character that was made up for the film ah being credited
00:13:39
Speaker
on as a writer on the film um and um in the um in loving memory of Donald Kaufman at the end of the credits which sort of goes to like discuss how this movie sort of blends the lines between um the reality of movie writing and the like fantastical nature of it. And I think that's something that this movie does really well. um in In my mind, in my reading of it, um
00:14:18
Speaker
I sort of took Donald as this character who represented Charlie Kaufman sort of like his insecurities in a way that was rather than him only being that, like, uh, awkward, like bookish sorta, uh, nerdy character, but taking his insecurities and making them a character, making the, the polarity of them a character where, um, like an antithesis type thing. Yeah. yeah Um, and you almost see that as like,
00:14:55
Speaker
his sort of imagination or his his capacity to write is represented in ah Donald. And um you you could almost go through this whole movie and and um so sort of pluck out all those scenes where um Donald's in it and substitute it with and the idea that he's projecting himself. um and And this too is discussed in the movie. He, Donald, writes a movie, a screenplay rather, um about a person with multiple personality disorder who
00:15:34
Speaker
through trick photography um is is ah multiple people at the same time. And and that's exactly what what Adaptation does. It it takes Nicolas Cage, it uses some trick photography and um superimposes him in the same scene twice. um giving this idea that A, maybe Donald doesn't really exist in in the world of the movie at all, but B really just talks to the idea that um I guess donald Donald, even if he is a character, is very much the the representation of of um
00:16:17
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Yeah, that sort of creativity ah of Charlie Kaufman as a ah character, but also as as an actual writer as well. i just i
00:16:29
Speaker
Very eloquent, very intelligent. His sickness is rubbing off on me. i I had been putting off watching this movie for a while. um why A couple of years. i but It's been recommended to me by a couple of people. It was recommended to me while I was at uni. I did the class which I really enjoyed on on um adaptations.
Analyzing 'Adaptation' Themes
00:16:53
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and um like franchises and this was a movie that got referenced a lot obviously because it's the adaptation movie um and I kind of got scared off from it because um a lot of people described it as this like really like weird and like hypersexual
00:17:14
Speaker
um movie where like Meryl Streep's doing heaps of drugs and Nicolas Cage is masturbating onto the camera. This is a really bad description of the movie. I watched it thinking, going in thinking that and and and um the podcast is what it's what's finally got me to to go and watch this movie. And I really have to say to everyone who said that to me, you're wrong. Yeah. um This this movie is not like that. This movie is no more like ah explicit in any of those themes than any other movie of the same ilk. There's absolutely so everything you described is definitely in this movie. But the way
00:18:03
Speaker
The way it sounds like it was described to you makes it sound like there's a focus on these elements. Like there's a focus on Meryl Streep doing drugs and there's a focus on Nicolas Cage jerking himself off with ah the book, a book or something like that. And while they're absolutely in the movie, they're not focused on in a way that they actually spend that much time with. that you'd get would be like the Meryl Streep drug stuff but like but even though it's not even that it's like I think what scared me or scared me off of of this movie of ah
00:18:36
Speaker
um trying to engage with this movie ah as ah as ah as a piece of writing is um the idea that it was sort of in there as a gratuitous sort of um display. it And I really don't think that um any of the like more explicit acts in this in this film are particularly gratuitous. um You get ah Charlie Kaufman, yes, masturbating while reading all these books on Hawkins. He's fantasizing about the author, um played by Meryl Streep. Like it doesn't feel excessive because you are spending but a really large portion of the movie, the whole first half of the movie, um stuck inside his head where he's trying to understand
00:19:29
Speaker
um flowers and he is like hyper fixated on this for months and it it it becomes this all-consuming thing ah that he does become obsessed with so so it so it doesn't seem unreasonable for for those things to occur in the same way that we have ah yes there are scenes of Meryl Streep doing drugs it wraps really nicely into the port. It is part of the third act piss take um as as I feel like it should be called. And again, I don't think it's, well, it's excessive for the sake of being excessive, but it knows that and it's doing that intentionally.
00:20:17
Speaker
That's where like all the comedy I feel comes from as well. Yeah, yeah exactly. where Everything, nothing at all is aligned with how the rest of the movie has played out and its yeah it becomes basically another movie. So yeah, I think I feel like we should talk about that third act because that third act is really... um the the the pivotal or the change from the second to the third act is the really pivotal moment in the film where we get a lot of of really dynamic change in setting in character and and um in sort of genre of the movie and and this is very well intentional.
00:20:52
Speaker
um and and foreshadowed throughout ah by Cox, Mr. Cox, Mr. Brian pipebes by Brian Cox playing Robert McGee, who's a real life screenwriter scholar as well. He i I was just reading about him before we went on. like He was actually he's actually a real person who's done a lot of work with just like story writing. Like he's a story consultant in Hollywood. And he suggested that Brian Cox should be the one who played him as well. And a lot like he's and if you take look at pictures of him he looks a lot like Brian Cox as well and also I also i do love Brian Cox I just watched the first episode of succession a couple of days ago and um I'm I'm gonna get into succession dude that's gonna come up on mini media someday but not today
00:21:36
Speaker
um But yeah, so yeah, you so yeah, because Brian Cox plays this guy who does like ah seminars about screenwriting, which Charlie Kaufman um blows off for most of the movie and Donald Kaufman goes to and having gone to this amazing this this seminar, writes ah what's considered one of the best scripts an agent has read for the past like year or something. that I wish I could go to a seminar and then write ah the best the movie of the summer. Imagine imagine if David Lynch, David Lynch, David Fincher came out and went, yeah, I had a bit of writer's block or whatever. Then I went into a single seminar. I just smashed out seven, you know, ah just smashed it out. did Did you intentionally choose like a different number movie or? Well, it's a different number movie with a serial killer and
00:22:28
Speaker
Like it's a it's a thriller horror detective thing, which is kind of what was being described as it. There was multiple levels to that. Like that. I'm clever. Praise me, please. I i need it. Good job, Mitchell. Thank you very much. But. Yeah, so Brian Cox, crying crocs. He's got the crocs buying. please By Brian Cox. says to Charlie Kaufman when they go and get a drink together. And Charlie Kaufman talks to him about what he's got, what his issues with the movie currently are. And Charlie, Brian, fuck. Brian Cox says you need a brilliant third act. Yeah, it's something just like blow them away with a third act.
00:23:15
Speaker
Yeah, make it a third act. That's incredible. Amazing. And I semi twigged on it. I went, Oh, that's interesting. It's from that moment. Yeah, that that's the beginning of a third act. And that is what Yeah, that's absolutely what the third act starts. Yeah. And at that moment, um you that scene immediately flows into a scene where charlie calls um donald it comes in new york they start spying on the the author of the book um and it all escalates into this drug farming orchid conspiracy nonsense chase through the bayou or swamp it's more of a swamp isn't it not bayou yeah it's
00:23:59
Speaker
Very entertaining. It is and it and it is very, ah it's funny. It delivers this sort of, i yeah I guess because I don't want to call this movie a comedy because it's not explicitly funny, but it is funny in the way that it delivers itself. um Yeah, the representation, the representation of itself and the material and the way it represents its material is funny. Yeah, it's like there's no jokes in the movie. Well, I mean, there are gags, but there are, yeah, there are gags, but
00:24:40
Speaker
um it's It's a movie that finds humor in the sort of ah dichotomies of things, you in the in the differences between um Charlie and Donald, in the differences between the first act and the third act. A juxtaposition. Yeah. and Yeah. I'm pulling the face because I'm in clever. Wow. you should see this guy's face. He's so clever. But it uses that juxtaposition to create some really funny moments as well as just being something that allows you to ah think about it really excessively, I think. it's It's a movie that is, yes, like a think-paste about how do you adapt something, and not like it's a non-fiction book with no port, how do you adapt it into a movie that
00:25:31
Speaker
is narrative and needs to have compelling characters and isn't a documentary and it lets you think about those, like lets you think about these ideas of what it means to adapt something, what it means to like exists as a screenwriter in Hollywood um and the requirements that are put on on someone successful because this this is also set as his second feature film and after being John Malkovich. So not not before he ah became
00:26:10
Speaker
one of the most prolific screenwriters of the last 50 years, but well on his way to. And it's, yeah, I think it it approaches that in a way that that makes it really easy for the audience to go. I can see the difference between A and B and I can see why I'm um being asked to compare these these things. And I can also see the comedy in in the juxtaposition. It's like, I like what you're saying about the screen, like what it means to be a screenplay screen, screenw right? In, in Hollywood and all that. i and And I think it just, there's the part where Nicholas Cage, Charlie Kaufman says, I put myself into the screenplay. And there's just that bit about, I can't remember what it said exactly. What's like, Oh, it's a bit.
00:26:58
Speaker
That's a bit odd. And then he goes, yeah, I was I was just trying something new or something. And ah it's just it's um it's not a cystic or it's not that's not the exact words are used. But but this is like there's just a need for anyone creating anything to put themselves into their work. Otherwise, you're gonna I at least the way I view art, you need to be able to provide a piece of yourself in the art. Otherwise, what's the point? Like you're trying to I feel like art is you trying to create a representation of a piece of yourself to show to others, not even show the others, maybe just a visual representation or sorry, not even visual, sorry, just a representation of yourself. And if you're not making that, then what are you doing?
00:27:41
Speaker
is kind of how I feel. I feel otherwise you're you're doing it for some reason that I don't feel art should be created for. like it's it it's ah It's like the point where you're not putting pieces of yourself in is the point where you need to ask, what am I actually making this for? And so I really feel that there's just, and as as an aspiring screenwriter myself, ah It just felt really, I felt really connected to the idea of just having to kind of just figure out, not even like how to, how to put yourself in without being overbearing to the story, how to not just write every character as you and all that, but just how to balance like what you're actually trying to do with a plot and all that, and then balance what you were you as well. It's.
00:28:34
Speaker
hard to describe and I think I've done a very poor job, but it's and just, if the existential crisis that Charlie Kaufman seems to have in this movie is something that I feel like a lot of artists just have, including myself, not that I would call myself an artist, that's a little bit pretentious, but a lot of artists, a lot of creatives, I can, I can say that that's not too pretentious. A lot of creatives, including myself, would have just whenever they do anything. I don't think maybe on the scale that Charlie Kaufman has looks the characters are a child and Kaufman has in this movie. But I do believe that just art is existential and it's hard to not have a little bit of a crisis every single time you make something. I feel at least um I mean, it's not like I sit at my audition.
00:29:22
Speaker
um like dashboard and just stare at that while I'm editing this podcast and just have a little mini where is my place in the universe every single time i ah year I'm editing the podcast but there's definitely just I know writing something or like that I've just kind of sat back and gone what is this for that's a good question to ask I think when making art is what are you doing it for and make sure just to make sure just not even like a ah judgmental question but just as a keep in touch with what your values as an artist are. Like, what are you doing this for? And I think this movie just basically really captures that. And I think that's really important. And I don't think I've seen another movie another one yeah of them really do that. And that was really interesting to me.
00:30:06
Speaker
Yeah, and I couldn't say I've abandoned myself. Well, because i do you do you find any of what I just said? like Because you you also are a ah ah creative. i don't I don't know if you like the same artist or not. I absolutely agree with what you're saying. When you make something, you put a little bit of yourself in in that. And and um this movie does a really excellent job at showing um how that ah sort of happens. And um the process by which you sort of extract part of yourself and and and put it into something that you care about. And yeah, I mean, I don't really have much more to say on that. I think you summarize, I think you said that really well. ah Thank you. it's it's yeah It's definitely a movie about
00:31:01
Speaker
like what it means to create and what it means specifically to adapt something um when when you're taking someone else's sort of idea and so funneling it through a a lens of some description to um create something new out the other side. um I mean um in in a way what we're doing here is sort of that we we take some movies that we watch and we talk about them and we try and make something around that and it's I think a really important
00:31:40
Speaker
part of how art is made is it is its influence, but but it's um sometimes it's the very metatextual relationship between the art and and ah the artist as well as the viewer or the audience. um and then what they go on to create as well and yeah I think this movie does a really good deconstruction of that from the perspective of of someone creating of someone of um someone who is trying to reconcile all of that with some material that is really really hard yeah to adapt. I know I've always considered what would I do if I was given the need like if I had to write an adaptation or something and
00:32:27
Speaker
I can only think of a handful of actual material that I think I could successfully do it and everything else I've ever read or... consumed, I don't believe I'd have the skill to take it and turn it into a working screenplay. that ah Yeah. I think there's a sort of idea that like adapting something is inherently more easy than making something new and I just don't think that's true.
00:32:59
Speaker
think oh sorry yeah I think different than different challenges, but um you i mean we see plenty of of of movies and television shows and things that are adaptations to existing properties that are terrible, um probably more so um or more memorably terrible than a lot of other original media, um if you will.
00:33:31
Speaker
But it's such an important part of how film has been created historically, but art in general is is inherently derived from its from its influence and inherently derived from that which came before it. And um they're understanding the relationship that has is really important. Well, I think it's really important. in understanding the relationship that each of us have as a creator or as an audience member to any piece of creative work. I think especially now in a world where the biggest franchise in the you know we um where the MCU is a thing
00:34:21
Speaker
Which is just the MCU is just one massive adaptation of pre-existing stories. And, and so I think it's really important for us to look at what goes into an adaptation and just see, like just kind of step back and see what we're we're looking at right now as, as the ah dominant ah Hollywood media right now. And. I mean, i not only not only that way with um ah Disney earlier this year announced that um they would be focusing more on existing properties. If you've had a chance to look at the slate of movies slated for 2026 that came out of San Diego Comic Con this year. The Disney slate?
00:35:10
Speaker
Uh, just overall slate, but I actually am behind on checking that news out. So I will take a look at some point that there are a lot of, of s sequels, um, of, of existing franchises. And, um, although a sequel is not a direct adaptation, if you will, it it has a similar relationship between, between texts.
Character Development in 'Adaptation'
00:35:32
Speaker
The, the, yeah, the, the, it's very similar sort of, uh, Before we give, we wrap this up and give scores. I just want to quickly touch on another point that the movie kind of brings up, which is the other. Well, not the other use of the word adaptation, but it's kind of the other context you can use it in and and like.
00:35:54
Speaker
Well, I guess because adaptation means change and obviously we've gone into this and we've looked at, you know, take a book, change it, adapt it into a movie. But the movie also just talks about. evolution like Charles Darwin is a reoccurring ah figure and he's even cast and is acted in this movie it's at one point but the guy who the the titular orchard thief for the book not the movie ah he is really big on evolution and Charles Darwin and he talks there's a big part where he takes
00:36:32
Speaker
Miroshreep, who is the author, as previously mentioned, to a orchid... um I keep saying orchard, don't I? Orchid. To an orchid festival and talks about a moth that would have a really long... that Charles Darwin hypothesized and everyone laughed at him for it because he said he'd have a really long crevoscus and be able to take nectar from a specific plant that has like a 12-inch long I don't know what it was. I'm not a plant expert. ah But I just I thought but the just the basically the movie leads to a point where it makes an a a statement about just
00:37:08
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how people would change and how it's important that we as people do change. And and I think at one point it's kind of like, is it cowardly to do that? Or like, what what's the moral implication of that as well as kind of touched on? It's not um ass not as touched on as other themes are. I don't know if I'd agree with that. I think it is. Oh, okay. i I'm going to go in here and say you're wrong. That's fair. I mean, I got tired and sleepy. I think what? Every single character in this movie goes through a process of change, and there's the argument to be made that there is no movie without change, and the movie itself is this. Oh, that's what the movie's about. Actually, no, you're right. That is what the movie's actually about. They tell that to us.
00:37:58
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But every character um goes through a pretty fundamental shift in in their sort of outlook in in experience. You have um the author going from this very reserved New Yorker author, article journalist, fuck. to this pain i believe this um person who becomes obsessed with being obsessed and chases this sort of high that... what's his name? LaCroix? Is it LaCroix?
00:38:40
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lo la roche isn't the laro Isn't it like La Roche though or something? It's La Roche, yeah. Yeah, La Roche, not La Roche. right
00:38:50
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She spends the movie trying to understand and chases his high, but La Roche seems to have about about things where he just becomes um unwaveringly obsessed with something and then lets it go and and there's a monologue that he does um in the middle of the film which Mitch is now just remembering where he says ah um but it's not even that I mean that is I was remembering that but what I was remembering was actually just the part in right before the third act starts at the seminar where ah Brian Cox has a big rant about how life is just full of events and chain like you can't have a screenplay without these things and if you why are you making it if you don't have that and and I i forgot about that part too like we get it gets it it gets
00:39:40
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it gets lectured at you at one point and then you get yelled it gets yelled at you at another point and I forgot about both of those points in the same way previously. And then importantly, we get um the the change of of um Charlie Coffin from ah awkward, reserved, nerd to someone who is willing to become more emotionally open by the end of the film um in in um the last couple of scenes ah with uh the character that isn't in the film very much i don't even know which act
00:40:17
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Actor it is. Amen. Amen ends with his ah monologue in the car, sort of mirroring the opening scene of the movie where where he's monologuing at the restaurant waiting for Tilda Swinson. And it sort of shows the change, that the the dynamics that he has in his relationship, and he specifically his relationship towards women. every Every character goes through a pretty noticeable change, except for maybe Donald, because he dies. ah But he also wasn't a real person, so... I mean, dying is a pretty big change. Yeah, it's a change from living to dying dead. Living, yep. Just right before we finish up, I'm going to ask you a little funny little funny question.
00:41:06
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If I gave you a script that was that said, Mitchell Hill walks in, he's fat, he's fat and awkward and he sucks and he's so fat and awkward and he sucks so much. Charlie Kaufman, fat, bald, repulsive, old, sits at a Hollywood restaurant with Valerie Thomas. ah What would you do? That's the script I handed to you. I would ah recommend that you seek professional help. What if I went, no, no, no, this is this is this is fictional Mitchell. This isn't me. Well, I just keep reading the script. Mitchell's so fat and he's so hungry all the time. He eats so much buffalo chicken wings. Dude, he's so fat. He has a permanent greasy face with buffalo sauce around in his beard. He's so fat. I mean, not gartt is this going anywhere? His his twin brother, Michael.
00:42:00
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He has sex. Even though he's just as fat and awkward as um as Mitchell is. Not as awkward, but just as fat. Apparently, um apparently ah ah ah ah what's his name? Nicholas Cage wore a fat suit for this movie. which makes sense because not everyone's christian bail and will ruin their body for just a yeah i also um interestingly i um
00:42:31
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just doing a little bit of research on this movie i read ah short little um interview ah with the author of the original book, The Orchid Thief, which which is a real book. I need to stress this again. The Orchid Thief is a real book. We haven't stressed this enough. What's really important to note is that this movie was written as Charlie Kaufman tried to actually adapt properly in real life, adapt The Orchid Thief, and then he wrote this and instead. but it's This is what the adaption but adaptation became.
00:43:03
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ah But yeah, we'll use it and the author of that book um ah in the interview read like she had a reaction that was really similar to her um character upon reading a script, which was the oh my god, this is going to ruin my career. um which which is Which is very funny given that um a lot of the movie or a lot of that character's through line in the movie is hiding all this stuff because um it it might ruin her career, it might affect her career, um whether or not that really actually existed until the third act is a different story, I think.
00:43:41
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um There's, uh, it was, it was pretty, I thought it was funny to see the parallels between, between that and, and, and how she's actually portrayed in the movie. Um, and, uh, she goes on to say that like, she, she's going to really like a movie. Um, and, and is it like, again, it's an interesting and and unique way to, to take a text and, and, and change it into something else. Um,
00:44:09
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yeah. and Well, i I have adapted all my notes into voice and now wish to say my stuff. Are you ready to say your stuff? I'm so ready. I think your sickness has affected me. I don't know how. I was sick last week. This is ah sucks. um I'm giving this movie three times I felt bad for genre writers who get shit on by writers who think they are better than them and a time I felt bad for myself because I'm a genre writer.
00:44:47
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I gave this movie four flowers that look like bumblebees that bumblebees really want to fuck. Oh, dude, dude, that it's the soulmate man, the bumblebee. That was is a real flower. That was a really cute, cool looking flower, though. I mean assume it's a real flower. right They didn't look like they used really any special effects beyond the like superimposed cage and yeah flying out the front window of the car. That was pretty funny. That was a good alligator. The alligator was also very funny. Do that whole that whole section of the movie. I was my I was hanging out with someone and they listened to a podcast called No Such Thing as a Fish. It's the people who do QI. Very clever. And I was listening to a part that they were actually they showed me this part that was about how the human brain is wired for not wanting surprises. Like that's just how we're designed. But then someone was talking about how with movies and stuff,
00:45:45
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you want to be surprised in a way that you expected. Like it's like this weird dichotomy type thing and weird jokes, whatever. Hard to explain. They go, I just find it better. Go listen to um that. So basically what I was thinking as I was watching them was this is a way I'm happy to be a surprised. I'm happy to be surprised this way. This is good. This is interesting. I like this.
00:46:08
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We're breaking so many walls and we're doing media inside media. It's, are you going to do something? So you look like you're rate right rearing up, do something. No, I was i was just often that ready for whatever that comes out of my
Mini Media Segment
00:46:23
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mouth. So fair. Uh, it's, it's, it's Max and Mitch's mini media. Have you heard them? I should have asked, have you listened to the podcast we put out last week? No, I haven't yet. i I wanted to know your opinion on I have actually been sick and not really doing much. I want to know what your opinion on the mini mini, the mini, mini media sound effect was. i Yeah, I haven't. I haven't gone around to it yet, but I'm excited. I'll give it a listen. to Yeah. Yeah. I want to know what you thought of that because I thought it was funny.
00:46:55
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um I think I technically went first last week because of your mini, mini medias. Do you want to go first? I can i can go first. Yeah. um mine can Because mine can actually relay into our next one, depending on which one I pick. I have two. Yeah, cool. I mean, I have two, but I'm just good at like connecting things that aren't really there. Is good the word you want to use or just forceful? you Please don't die. No, it's just like every time I cough, I feel like my brain's going to explode out of my head. so Actually, if you're going to die, do it on podcast, we can use that for content. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we' got to if I'm going to die. I've got to make it like... Don't make content. Yeah, make it listenable. Yeah, exactly. My mini media for this week is, I think, going to be something that... I'm going to start this again so I sound more certain. Sure, go for it.
00:47:50
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Who's editing this one? You have to be decided. Okay, so if it's me, I'm just gonna leave all of this in so it doesn't sound like you sounded more certain.
00:48:02
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um My menu media this week is a show that has been out for a couple of years now. um When I went to watch adaptation, I was trying to find where it was available on streaming. It is. Shokara, it was not available on streaming. I rented it. I bought it because but I don't know. I have this thing where it's like, if it's $5 to rent and $15 to buy, if I watch it or at least other people watch it twice more, it's worth it. I just couldn't see myself. it
00:48:41
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I don't want to buy stuff like that. like I don't like buying media in digital forms. Yeah. I mean, I don't like it either, but I went to see if I can find a disc of it and there's like, you can get it on eBay for like $30 and I'm like, ah yeah I'm right sorry. tv shirt TV show. Sorry. I beg your pardon. And I ah went to go find it and the little app that I use um made it look like it was on Apple TV plus and I'm like, okay. Well, let's have a look on Apple TV plus. I don't have an Apple TV plus subscription, but I'm any streaming subscriptions. They give you a little trial start. So I signed up for the trial and then I went to try and find an adaptation. It wasn't there.
00:49:24
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What a twist. So I, i as mentioned, bought adaptation, but I've had Apple TV plus for the last couple of days. And so I've been able to catch up on a show that I've been ah interested in watching since I first heard about it at E3 a couple of years ago. Yes, I know. That's a weird place for a show. No, I know our show is and mitchner is what show it is. um The show is called Mythic Quest. mythic ah fuck That's a mystic quest. It's a mythic quest created by Rob McElhenney of Always Sunny in Philadelphia and more recently Welcome to Rexxum. Is he welcome to Rexxum as well? Yeah. Oh, I should watch that show. It's good. You should watch it. It's actually good. It's actually really good.
00:50:10
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Yeah, alright, I'll get around to it. um And um it's about a game studio that makes a massively multiplayer online game called Mythic Quest, and the crazy antics that they get up to are in a sort of sitcom, always sunny sort of ah s way um I've been watching it while I've been sick and not had a lot else to do. um And I've almost got to the end of the first season and I'm enjoying it so far. I think it's got a good combination of humour and self-awareness about ah the kind of people who are engaged in in this industry.
00:50:59
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um yeah as uh as someone who ah plays a lot of games and interacts with a lot of games media um there's there's obvious there's a pretty strong dominant uh monoculture in in gaming that's um people have been trying to address for several years now, um somewhat unsuccessfully, I would argue. um And um the show plays around with that, plays around with sort of corporate structure in in a similar way to um other sort of sitcoms ah set, like business-esque sitcoms, if you've seen what The Office or
00:51:46
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um Superstore, things like that, ah where you sort of get this hierarchical nature to to the characters as well. And alongside that, they get some interesting introspection on andam some of the characters and why they act the way they act in in in an interesting way and and ah the relationships that they build with the other characters. I've been enjoying it. ah It's a couple years old now. I think there's three seasons total and Yeah, I don't know. I'm having a good time and I'm going to try and watch it all before my free trial runs out. Do you like all the, uh, non-specific, but if you know what you're looking for, you can see it Ubisoft stuff in the background. I think it's mostly for honor. like mostly fora I yeah was like, I'm watching it. It mostly looks like for honor, but the put on like like they dial down the graphic settings. So it looks more like a game. Um,
00:52:43
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but yeah like like well like just like cause There was one that was definitely Assassin's Creed, like someone did a, there was a clip which was like the leap of faith and I'm like that's just, but this is just Assassin's Creed and there's there's a couple where you go like I think this is just a a landscape from Assassin's Creed that they've like just done the landscape and done a day-night cycle and Um, cat bat. They've definitely used AC Odyssey as that a few times. Like, with it's like a, it's like a day night. Like you watch it like a time, a time thing. I recommend what it's called. Uh, yeah. Like time lapse. That's the one. Yeah. There's like a time lapse of just AC Odyssey. Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, it's good. There's also an, um,
00:53:30
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One of the main characters is this Australian actor, I can't remember her name, who I hadn't heard of before watching this, who I'm really enjoying, watch, she was on... Oh, that's right, she's just... ...a show on Channel 9 about 15 years ago, and then sort of disappeared for a while, and is now back doing this, and she... That's the lead character, right? Pardon? She's like the lead coder or whatever. Yeah, she's but she's the lead engineer. um p i'm Sorry, give me two seconds. It is Charlotte Nickdell as Poppy.
00:54:12
Speaker
um and way um shame yeah I hadn't heard of her before, but I'm really enjoying. um watching her performance. She's been in a couple of things that I realized I have watched, which um include Bluey, Adventure Times, Distant Lands, miniseries, and a couple of things. And um the actress in ah Thor Ragnarok who plays Sif,
00:54:43
Speaker
um in the play that they do for Lurky at the beginning of the film, if you remember that. I do remember that. With Matt Damon and ah Sam Neill. yeah Yeah, she plays on Sif in in in that little play. She was in um Star Trek Lower Decks and the new Animaniacs reboot. Was it Animaniacs reboot? Yeah, I know. um But I'm enjoying her performance and and I'm keen to see more of her, I guess. Fantastic. I like to
00:55:22
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like the little part that I watched of it. I think I, I don't know. What episode have you seen the episode with Jake Johnson in it? It's like an episode that doesn't really have anything, any attachment to the rest of the show. Um, uh, yes, I think, I think I don't want to say much, but I didn't want to say much more cause I didn't want to spoil it. Yes. Yes. Yes. I did. I really liked that episode has stuck with me for a while. It's, it's, it is like on like unrelated. Yeah. But it's quite a nice episode. It comes mid season and it's um sort of refreshing ah stylistically different. It's weird. It's weirdly sad, but not weirdly sad, but like it's just like it's morose in comparison to the rest of the seat show. But it's also not despairing either. Like there is hope to it. It's just that wasn't because ah I was finding the show OK. And then I watched that episode and I went.
00:56:14
Speaker
All right. I'll stick around a bit longer. Yeah. And I didn't. Yeah. i like i Yeah. So I'm sure that I don't think good bad. Sorry. I don't think it's bad. I just it's just like I'm bad with TV shows. So I just yeah. It's also like Apple TV plus is one of those things where I know they were pushing it for ages. And so then the sort of they're still doing the movies a bit. They're like funding movies. The TV shows is definitely better though. Like Absolutely. but um Because they have no like legacy content, if you will. It sort of struggled a bit as a platform, even though it's got Apple money. And Apple money has produced some great things. Apple money has produced- I think it's produced better. Kills of the Flower Moon. Kills of produced Argyle. So let's not go too hard on how good Apple money is. Apple money means that people who know what they're doing can do good things good. And people who don't know what they're doing can do bad things worse.
00:57:12
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Matthew Vaughn should have known what he was doing there. That's the problem. Anyway, we wanted to do mine. Yeah, what do you got up to this week? Well, so Max, it depends. Do you want me to talk about Doctor Who or do you want us to talk about Robbie Downey Jr. as Doctor Who? I feel like we got to talk about Mr. Jr. Yeah. So, okay. Well, I can talk about Doctor Who another time. ah So my mini media is the tweet I saw that said Robert Downey Jr. will now be in the next Avengers movie, Avengers Doomsday as Dr. Doom. I don't like it. We're about to get to talk where i'm I'm holding off talking too much about that. I think that's the thing is that like, I'm going to say a lot more in the next section as well. Well, do you want to do like cut this and go to your Dr. Who bit and then we can talk about Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom in the next bit?
00:58:06
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So they just, this doesn't go in. Yeah. We'll just cut this whole bit out. And then you start again, like, Oh, what's going on? Well, I was going to do one, but we actually already did this bit. We're going to do it in the next section. All right. All right. You know what? That makes sense. All right. I think you need to say it to me. They have to pretend it's like, so, so, um, what, what'd you get up to this week? mitch Hey, Max. Thanks for asking.
00:58:34
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Um, I have, I had two, I've decided that one should be put in the next section because it directly relates to the MCU. Your camera has died. Are you still the, okay, you're back. Cool. my Yeah. My internet's been a bit weird since we moved. Like I need to sort out the internet in this room. Hmm. I mean, your sound seems fine. It just seems to be the camera stops. And last time the camera drops in and out every now and again, you go correctly every now and again, but it's, it's me. Oh, well, it's not your, it's not you. It's mine. Yeah. No, it's what I understood. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so, you know, I was going to do, I was going to talk about a tweet I saw the other day that came from SDCC, but, uh, wasn't the tweet about white wire strip into so good at swimming at the Olympics.
00:59:17
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Well, it's because we have to just swim off, we have to keep swimming off the country or the continent. Did you, did you see that? I have not seen that tweet. all Okay. You're missing out. We're our own five minute. We haven't even got to the second movie. Uh, we're going to talk about that tweet. It relates directly to Marvel. So we'll talk about the tweet in the next section. Uh, so I'm
Critiquing 'Doctor Who'
00:59:41
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going to talk about Dr. Who. Max, how much Dr. Who have you watched? Um, It's not watching after first season of Peter Capaldi. Do we watch that together? I don't think so. I think I brought my DVDs over and I watched it with you and your mum. I don't think that was Capaldi there. That was absolutely Capaldi. We watched um no i i mean well we watched oct a lot together with my DVDs. I mean, that's how I first got into Doctor Who was me. We were away on holiday together. Yeah, we were. And you're watching David Tennant. You're a Doctor Who. I was watching season two. And I was like, oh, this is cool. It is. I borrowed all your TV. eight Yeah, you did. So, yeah, Doctor Who is something I've i've had in my life for a long time. ah My parents showed me.
01:00:32
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an episode in season three, when it first came out, I was but between seven, I think, um, scared the crap out of me. Uh, I was about to say that's that's, um, wait, I know a doctor who's not like scary, but it's like, that seven's a bit. I was a, um, I was also a bit of a wussy child when it came to, uh, fiction. i did i mean I mean, I mean, same, but my parents are also a bit wussy. My parents, my dad is untouchable. My mum can be got by like, she's not a fan of horror and she's not a fan of gore either, but she can do both of them. She just doesn't like it.
01:01:11
Speaker
But my parents loved Doctor Who. ah And so they showed me this season episode in season three. It scared a crap out of me. Sorry, but that was the first so the first episode I ever watched was the Shakespeare episode from, flip my mouth, Shakespeare episode from season three. Is that the, oh my God, there was only one bad episode? Yep. That is exactly the episode. so the episodes and That's all I remember from that episode is, is, is, is, it's, it's the name. Yep. It's also, well, it's also the episode, which this is what Howard five me, by the way, where a man has a voodoo doll made of him and is that voodoo dolls put in a bucket of water. And so he just spouts water from his mouth as he drowns on land.
01:01:57
Speaker
Which was horrific to a seven year old me. Cool. Anyway, um so what happened was I watched Doctor Who up until the second last season, which would be this probably the second season of Capaldi. I stayed up like I caught up to basically like season six of Matt Smith and then season seven started coming out and I was up to date by that point. Stayed up to date up until the second season of they you Peter Capaldi. I got sick of the show because the show got stupid and silly. Um, so I jumped out before the first last season of, uh, Peter Capaldi's, uh, airing very important to note, uh, cause whenever I say this, people go like, Oh, so you jumped out because a female was coming up. I didn't know who the next doctor was when I jumped out. Okay. So you can't, I've really liked, I didn't, but I really strongly consider jumping back in just to watch any way that, cause I really liked it.
01:02:53
Speaker
In Broadchurch? Yeah, I've actually been rewatching Broadchurch by the way. and that's That's great. Broadchurch is great. If you're watching Broadchurch, you should go watch Broadchurch. It's great. Broadchurch? Rewatching Broadchurch has made me realise why both Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whitaker were chosen to go into Doctor Who. Too bad Chris Chibnall sucks. Um, and that's what I'm going to talk about. Cause I'm going to talk about Jodie Whittaker's era. Cause that's what I watched recently. I caught up. I i caught up with, um, the last season of Capaldi a while ago. Cause my parents gave me the DVD of it. And over the past couple of weeks, not even possible weeks, like over a weekend, maybe a week ago or so, I watched pretty much all of Jodie Whittaker's era. Um, and also the three, uh, David Tennant revival episodes as well.
01:03:38
Speaker
Oh, the one where he's like the extra doctor for some reason. He's the 14th doctor. Yeah. Cause the 15th, we're actually up to the 15th doctor now. Um, cause Disney or whatever. Yeah. Disney owns it now. And now whenever you watch an episode, Dr. Who, and you a new episode, Dr. Who, it says Disney original at the very start. And it's a bit gross. Not going to lie. Yeah. Give it back to the BBC. but Well, the BBC gets their logo afterwards, oh but all right, Jodie Whittaker arrow, Dr. Who.
01:04:09
Speaker
What's to say that it hasn't been said already? It's not good. Um, it's actually quite bad. And the issue directly lies in writing. There is no issue with the acting whatsoever, at least on Jodie Whittaker's part. There is no issue with her. Like she would have been a brilliant doctor if it wasn't for some really poor characterization and then just bad stories. Both birth didn't help. She is treated. So like a character. OK, hold on. A character trait that I feel we could all agree that almost every single doctor has is like confidence in their ability to like save the day. Generally, like they know what they do. They got their shit together. That's kind of like the deal. Or or at least they pretend they do. Exactly. Jodie Whitaker spends a lot of the time being like,
01:05:01
Speaker
Oh, no, I don't know what's going on. ah What's happening? it's It's just that she's she just loses so much of what the doctor usually has as like an ability to just keep their crap together. And that's really frustrating because it's the first time a female has been in the like a woman has been the main character for this show and a show where like the main character is usually in command and knows what's going on. And then the one time it's not a white male. that character loses a lot of their ability to do things. It's like, what what have you done? What what is this what is his choice? It doesn't, um it's just really frustrating that that's the case. um Also, just a lot of really big cannon breaking revelations are made that I'm not gonna go into, but just the end of season 12 is really stupid. And you wanna know something? Season 13,
01:05:59
Speaker
almost all over is really stupid. There is two episodes at the end of season 13 that I really liked. The rest of it, Doctor Who fans will understand this. The Flux season sucks. The Flux season sucks. It's bad. They all know it. Say that three times fast. Flux season sucks. Flux season sucks. Flux season sucks. How did I do? ah Yeah, sure. Thank you. Anyway, um, David Tennant episodes were really good there. What, what I heard like on the periphery was they really heavily relied on it being like an ensemble cast rather than letting Journey Whittaker sort of just be
01:06:39
Speaker
a doc will be the doctor, um, where like normally you'd have like one or two companions. There were like a fair few more. There was three, yeah. Um, and, um, yeah, I've, I've heard, I haven't watched it. I've heard that sometimes I felt like it, um, overshadowed sort of like her as an, as the doctor. I absolutely agree. And I think what makes it worse as well is that a lot of the characters that she travels with don't actually have character. They're kind of just exposition machine machines so that stuff that's happening on screen. Yeah, it's like you, but it's like so stuff that on screen can be described by someone and it's
01:07:26
Speaker
Yeah, also the Doctor just ah man manages to be on the wrong side of history a lot of the time in these episodes. One of the first few episodes is um a Rosa Parks episode and ah to spoil it, um the solution to that episode is the gang and the Doctor have to sit aside as a racism happens. That is the resolution of that episode. They just have to watch it happen. ah There's an episode basically about Amazon and workers rights and the doctor decides that the worker who is rebel others is a not as well. The doctor
01:08:01
Speaker
ah decides that the worker who is trying to do acts of terrorism technically but is doing it in the name of workers rights is just a little bit too extreme and therefore the corporations are in the right so um she sides with the the the really the all the the down on a lot corporations that like that's really rough for them ah There's an episode set in the partition in India where like they became Pakistan in India. They got split and um the ah solution in that one is walk away as a... was it a Hindi man? I can't believe it. Someone gets shot basically.
01:08:40
Speaker
ah There's a part where... Do you care about these spoilers, by the way? I mean, not really. It's been out for a while. Yeah. There's a part where the monster comes back and he comes back as ah as ah as a man of Darko's skin turn than he usually has been. What was he? He was Missy. He was Missy, and which was still white, but this time he's darker skinned. And that's important because he pretends to be an SS officer in occupied France. And it's explained that he is managing to do it by using perception filters so that the ss ah the other SS officers don't notice his skin color. But the doctor manages to escape him by ruining the perception filter and leaving him to get hate crimes by Nazis.
01:09:27
Speaker
Yeah, I mean like he was probably also doing like Nazi stops. But it's the doctor though. Like the doctor can't do that. Yeah. The doctor can't do those things. That's the problem. My issue isn't so much because like in the plots that I've described, except for the Amazon one. Well, so the ones where they have to step aside and just let a horrible event happen. Technically speaking, that is the right thing to do to make sure that that time doesn't break. Protect the sacred timeline. Exactly. We'll get to that. But what's problematic is why did you write yourselves into a corner where that had to happen? That's kind of what I have an issue with. It's just like you could have doctor who or only plays with the oh, this has to be something that's never site when it's something that's like horrible to the doctor personally. So like.
01:10:18
Speaker
I don't know. I mean, it's hard to go off to the top of my head, but like, I guess like borders of Mars is a big one where he just like, he's having a mental breakdown because he's about to die. And, um, this is David Tennant, by the way, he's like about to die and he's having a mental breakdown and he goes on this idea of like, Oh, if I can save these people, it means I can save myself. And so then he breaks a fixed point in time to prove that he doesn't have to die. And then. Um, a woman has to kill herself with a gun to make sure that time doesn't unravel because the doctor played God. That's interesting use of like time, some points in time can't be messed around with, but but it's not, it's also not like.
01:10:57
Speaker
Uh, like ah ah it's on they they're not doing so no time travel ethics plus like racism. f that's That's the other thing I was going to say. It's, it's, it's a, it's a personal problem for the doctor to deal with. Like he can't change this. That's what's the problem. The ones we've talked about is just like, Oh, I guess I have to let this racism happen to make sure that the timeline sticks or it's like,
01:11:20
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Just like, why was that what you wrote is what I'm confused by. I get the logistics in the actual episode, like, yeah, technically speaking, logically that's where it leads to because that's the problem that you're dealing with. The problem has to be solved this way. Why was that the problem in the first place though? Just write a different episode, do something else. Anyway, let's move on to Deadpool and Wolverine. We've been on this way too long. This is a long episode.
Discussing 'Deadpool and Wolverine'
01:11:46
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did the poo and move <unk> you go back I'm trying to spice it up a little bit, trying to make sure that our listeners are still awake. ah releaseing I trust them. I don't. I fall asleep listening to a lot of the podcasts I listen to, but because it's like soothing though, not because I don't find them interesting. I just like... Guys, welcome to my next segment. and We're going to do Relaxing ASMR for you. deadedpo and woline
01:12:17
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i'm but
01:12:21
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Bull sack. What's up, bub? Are you my Wolverine to my Deadpool? I'll be wolfre your to your Deadpool. Does that mean you're going to stab me in the nuts? Yeah.
01:12:36
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I'm Brian Reynolds and I turn to camera a lot. Uh, released in 2024 and directed by Sean Levy, who, I don't know, whatever. I don't care about Sean Levy.
01:12:50
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Um, it stars Ryan Reynolds, Hugh Jackman, Emma Corrin, Matthew McPherson, and a plethora of cameos. Max, explain Deadpool and Wolverine. Deadpool and Wolverine, or as I will probably call it for the rest of this episode, Deadpool 3. Yep. Me too. picks up where Deadpool 2 left off ah Deadpool has ah retired his ah costume and given up his days of superheroing why you might ask ah because his girlfriend wanted him to be better and he couldn't be but don't don't all of our girlfriends want us to be better anyway he gets plucked from his universe actually that was max all and funny that was sad
01:13:39
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Are you okay? He gets plucked by it from his universe from a man named paradox. He works for the TVA, which you might recognize from season one of Loki, um, she also season a two of Loki. Yeah, I don't know why he says it's every season of Loki. Cause that was the only season that I've seen. Anyway, he pucks him out and he's like, I'm going to promise you with the prime Marvel time. Was it the sacred timeline, sacred timeline, which is earth 6 1 6. Which isn't a title. It's a it's a parallel universe. It's also not a six on six. They just call it a six on six. It's not a six on six. He can't get it right for some reason. I don't know why he's decided this.
01:14:18
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like the actress who plays Kamala who I comment about her name she knows what the real timeline is but Feige can't get it right for some reason anyway sorry is continue um ah anyway this man named paradox pulls Deadpool out of his timeline and reveals to him that his timeline is unraveling because a the important guy I go Anchor man. Is it Anchorman? Anchorman 1 and Anchorman 2. Anchorman when Rob Burgundy. Ron Burgundy died. Ron Burgundy. Logan had died in another movie you might have heard of called Logan.
01:14:57
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long And so the movie is on the movie is unraveling itself, the timeline is unraveling, and he has to nick through time to save his friends, but it's different from the second one, we promise. Well, he only does that with like two seconds at the end of the movie. and The time travel stuff. Anyway, there's time travel stuff in the second movie. Y'all went for two seconds, that's my point. um and he eventually teammes up with a um
01:15:29
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Logan from a different timeline universe. I'm just going to call them universes, even though they're not. um He teams up with a Logan from a different ah universe um who failed all the X-Men and got them killed ah by mutant haters. And they go on an adventure to ah save their timelines and end up in 10,005 or whatever. Yeah. It's like the Fox timeline, which is like one double or one five or something. Yeah. One triple or was it one triple or five? I'm looking at it right now. It's one triple five. Yeah. That's off the top of my head, by the way. That is because I'm looking at it and, um, Hey, they go on a trip. They go to the void, uh, as seen in, in, in Loki also, uh, they made.
01:16:21
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um a character I'm really keen to talk about, Cassandra Nova, um and and all the other Deadpools. And there's fighting and magic tricks and stuff. is This synopsis feels long winded. Yeah, I think you put too much effort into this one. Yeah, it's gonna be like an actual synopsis and I'm gonna tell you the plot of the movie. We never do this. I don't know why I decided to do it. Does this movie speak to you in a way that you feel is more- I feel like the point is simple enough that I can encapsulate in this short summary. Yeah, that's fair. I...
01:16:54
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Initial thoughts on this movie, Mitchell, initial thought. um The next time I watch this movie, I will not enjoy it nearly as much as I enjoyed it this time. I know that for a fact. I can feel it in my bones. I could tell that as I watched it live, I knew that this is the most I'll ever enjoy this movie and I will never enjoy it this much again. What about you? Um, yeah, I, I had fun with this movie and I think it is one of those movies that is right for right now. And I think you're right that it'll, it'll age. Um, and it will not do nearly as well to rewatch. Um, but I also felt like, um, as much as there are some really good moments in this movie and there are some really funny jokes in this movie. Um, It does run out of steam a little bit too quickly for me. Oh my goodness, does this movie overstay its welcome? um So it's two hours and eight minutes. I thought it was nine minutes. There's a specific minute matter. There's a specific minute matter. It does because the one of the minutes is the end credits. Fine, let me look it up. how long You have to stick around for all of the minutes. and it was true
01:18:12
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Okay. Well, it actually says two hours and seven. So both of us were wrong. now yeah Um, I think I don't care. Um, it's a, it's a two hour long movie that if you're going to stick around to the very end, you have to watch all of, so you don't even get to take the credits off. And there's a point in the void where I'm, I got disappointed that I, when i I realized that the rest of the movie was going to be set in the void until the very end. And I was right. And that disappoints me.
01:18:46
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I didn't, i I just, the void is such a, I understand the idea is like, oh, anything can happen in the void. Cause it's all the past things that have been thrown in here and you're going to get all the cameos you ever asked for. And even ones you didn't ask for, I'm looking at you, Electra. But it's like, it's a garbage dump. Like they, it's a self-described, well, not self-described, but like in universe described garbage dump. Why would I want to spend a movie there? like And a lot of this movie is they travel in one direction and then they travel...
01:19:22
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the same way back, but with more friends this time, which is the plot to Mad Max Fury Road. But Mad Max Fury Road is a much better movie. I should say, man, this is the plot to Mad Max Fury Road. Mad Max Fury Road gets away with it because it's a very good movie. This is not a very good movie. This is a decent movie that will never be as good as it was the first time anyone saw it. Look, there's a lot I like about this movie as well. There's a lot I really enjoyed. Let's go off. let's let's let's Let's name the big scene that really is really good about this movie. Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman work really well together. They've worked really well together outside of like movies in general, like like their friendship and just the way they do bickering and stuff has worked really well. It's been a much more interesting- It's called banter, Mitchell. ban
01:20:16
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What ifs, brother? This is bickering. They do banter. No, they're bigger too, though. Whatever. I don't, I don't care. I don't care. But they sort of, they they work. They've had good chemistry outside of film, and it had chemistry ports over when they're in character in film, which is helped by the fact that Deadpool is just Ryan Reynolds, and only Hugh Jackman has to act. Hugh Jackman's great, still. He's still good. He's still got the chops to do Wolverine, and I think the other guy before you- He's going to do it until he's 90.
01:20:53
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That is actually, that's probably one of my favorite jokes. What was the two jokes I really liked? One of the jokes I really liked was the one where Deadpool is harassing the guy um at like at the TV at the very start. And he goes, who are you calling your wife? He's like, HR, just immediately. That was pretty funny. And then the other joke I really liked was when handsome Deadpool, nice fool, looked into the camera and just said the purpose.
01:21:22
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It's really funny to me. I got a good kick out of actually the Honda Odyssey Fox. Yeah, that was good. I reckon that's going to be in the top for me. Yeah. Just like going off that sidetracking. Wait, wait, wait, wait, let me finish. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I can't remember what I was saying. Crap. Sorry, it was because of Wolverine's great. ja princes kind I really like chemistry chemistry scar I like because a lot of people went into this movie being like how is this not going to ruin Logan the movie Logan and I like that the fact at the very start of this movie this it went we're gonna ruin Logan like we're just gonna do it sorry and I appreciate that that's the self-awareness I actually really like like they were like yeah look we were was shitting on what was a really good conclusion to a character and we should never have brought we shouldn't be bringing the character back but we're doing in any way
01:22:19
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Sorry, not sorry. And then he beats a bunch of people to death with Logan's corpse. And that's probably actually the best part of the movie. I really think it is. I think that, A, the fight choreography in that is great. It doesn't get beaten after that. Yeah. what Oh my god. Like the, the, the, oh, okay. Um, mr man, mr manager has rocked up. She's showing something to max. I am not privy to what's going on here. Um, Oh, so that was the, I thought that was that Paul Mullins. That's not the first to say he's the, he plays the Welsh for the movie.
01:23:00
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some real model Sorry. We're just. ah dont think you want stand Sorry, i' just I'm just go um getting some well-timed information from from Mr. Manager. um One of the lead strikers for Rexxum played the Welsh Pool, which was the Deadpool in the fight scene with all the Deadpools that had the Welsh flag on the chest. Uh, cause rexum is in Wales. That makes sense. It's, it's, it's funny for the rexum fans. I thought it was Sri Lanka for some reason. I don't know why I thought it was Sri Lanka. Yeah. I didn't know. No, I know. I was like, I was looking for it. I couldn't find it. I was like, Oh, it's why <unk>burg think well, anyway, and they cut me.
01:23:51
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That's what's most funny. Paul Mullens is in there and Rob Buckle really isn't. This is all month at sea, Mitchell. Most of it's not able to be heard either because you guys aren't talking into the mic. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. No, I've turned the other pick up because I'm holding it so you guys don't have it. No, I mean, I get it, but just like a lot of us are going to be cut around because we can't hear it. I'll get last thoughts from Miss Mention when she can get away. are currently watching the boomers playing Canada. We're not talking about, we're not talking about the Olympics. Not as interesting as the archery. I'm flicking back and forth between the boomers and the archery. No one gives a shit about the Olympics. Go Australia. Fuck the USA. Olympics is an outdated event. No one cares about the Olympics anymore. No one's cared about the Olympics since ancient Greece when they were all naked and only men could participate and watch it.
01:24:45
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that um those that um quest and AC Odyssey where you are had to participate in the Olympics and sometimes if you're canonically correct you're you're playing a ah woman so you um you you break but I don't know guess it just funny
01:25:07
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Um, where were we? Um, brian rollstein um and good chemistry.
Strengths and Weaknesses of Deadpool
01:25:12
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We're talking about the first, the first scene. the first flight to is You said the fights was really good. I said the fight choreography never is beaten from that point on. Like it's the best the movie has. Then you got distracted by Mr. Manager. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry to go back to that. Um, i yeah I think that first scene, or the first, but it's sort of like I want to cut around, right? So there's the opening scene, and then there's there's a whole backstory but that's fine, and then there's the fight scene that we get while the credits ah opening credits roll, and the jokes and the fight scene in that sort of segment.
01:25:54
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I don't think really a much gets much better than that. Nope. For the rest of the movie. And I think that's probably my main gripe with it is that it comes out guns blazing, which is great, but it just can't keep it up. And which is a shame because because they are showing us they have this they have what it takes to make a really funny really violent Deadpool movie and we're sort of getting almost that yeah it's
01:26:30
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what's What's a big issue about this movie is that it makes all the same mistakes that the previous two Deadpools have already made. And it's just clear that they've never learned anything from it because they never they've never had to because these these movies have always been so successful. And so ah sorry I rewatched one and two in preparation for this just to kind of, i hadn it had been a while since I'd seen them. I don't know about you, but I basically hadn't seen the number two since it came out, or maybe even like a year after that, like it'd been a while. So I rewatched them and Both of them get really bogged down, A, by the love story every single time, and B, number one's back and forth flashbacks are actually not good.
01:27:15
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um You're kind of just waiting for it to go back to him already being Deadpool for a lot, at least I am, just waiting for it to go back to him being Deadpool for a lot of it. And this movie decides Deadpool's not going to be Deadpool for the first little bit of this film. Yeah, I, I wasn't a huge fan of that. I mean you found that in most superhero movies, like I'm not a huge, like, like if it's just, ah if it's in a decision that's been made off screen, I don't care. ah there's like There's like a level of it that's okay in Spider-Man 2 because you watch him kind of stumble with that. and But that was also 2004, 2005? When did that come out? Superhero media has to evolve, right? You can't stick around on stuff that worked back in the two early 2000s. There's a reason why we've developed in general.
01:28:07
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I just didn't care. Like he it's a decision he makes basically off screen slash kind of on screen, but not really right as the movie starts. And then it's's it's informed by his relationship with Vanessa, which has always been the weakest part of these movies because the love story can actually, this is going to tie into it, but this is like a little bit of a tangent. My biggest problem with the Deadpool movies is their insistence that they know what they are and therefore are like making fun of the tropes and all that. But it still actually plays into every single trope. And part of that is the love story stuff. The love story always works out at the end of these movies basically. And it just never feels earned every single time. And that is a hang up that the first two movies have. If anything number two kind of does it the best, but still not its best moments,
01:29:05
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And it's a definite hangout that this movie has, especially since they've broken up before this movie starts. And so we have to deal with him trying to get back with her basically, which is minuscule in comparison to the rest of the movie, but the fact that it's still there, it's still just drags certain scenes down. It sort of sits as his like, it's his main, it's his raison, his raison d'etre. No, you're right. it actually like I think the reason why I don't think it's because there's other people in that, they like his friends and stuff are also includ included in his motivation, but just she is there though. She is present and it's just... Yeah. yeah And I mean, the the principles are the same. We're not getting Deadpool for Deadpool. And as much as that does propel the plot forward, it it it does feel like one of the weakest parts of the film.
01:29:56
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um whenever they try and right you go not Whenever they try and make Deadpool resemble someone who wants normal things or wants like
01:30:10
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Deadpool is interesting in the comics, if written correctly, which he can often not be, because he is such an outsider, because A, he can't die, and B, his ability to see past the fourth wall alienates him from everything else. Like he can't relate to normal humans. He can't relate, because normal humans aren't normal humans to him, because normal humans are us, the reader. And he can't, like that's, that's, that has driven him literally insane. this Deadpool through all iterations like this is all three of all three movies is pretty fine he's not actually insane and he's not like he's so watered down in comparison to what the main character is and I get that like that's what adaptations are well the the the fear what The way I would read it is like, movie Deadpool reads like Deadpool in a crossover comic. ah ah should I don't know how many like Deadpool crossover comics you've read, but a lot of when Deadpool is in another comic, there's not a lot of fourth-wall breaking, and like there's still some that's not to the same extent. and I'll admit it's been mostly straight Deadpool I've read, no crossover. um
01:31:24
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and it can feel a bit a bit watery because you don't you you are trying to like yet connect this character that really doesn't connect with anything outside of himself and that I mean that's part of the character is the is the narcissism of of Deadpool but but then also the the like way that he talks back and forth with with the audience directly and the movie feels movies I should say feel much more like um
Impact of Wolverine's Return
01:31:55
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crossover events. that like that sort of That way of representing Deadpool. um What did you think of Wolverine as Logan returning as Wolverine after
01:32:11
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Logan. theyre good I know we've already talked about yeah like yeah the initial thing, but yeah, like ah yeah just ruining the ending of Logan. But do do you think it A was worth it? B, do you think that this version of Wolverine is good or should stick around or I don't know how best to put that. I think this version of Wolverine really is kind of just the same Wolverine we had last time except at some point all his friends died instead of all his friends not dying but also we've seen Wolverine with all his friends dead that's Logan. I had got a note look
01:32:53
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I've always been of the opinion that this movie would be way funnier if it wasn't Wolverine, but it was actually the actor Hugh Jackman um there instead. And so it's it's Deadpool and Hugh Jackman running around doing stuff. Well, i I kept waiting when they were doing that montage where he's going around finding all those... Just finding Hugh Jackman. I was waiting for him to find Hugh Jackman. Yeah, that would have been... but I would have liked that a lot if they had done that. I mean, it it does feel a bit cheap, but at the same time, I think it would have been funny. Yeah, I think it' would funny as a quick gag just yeah, like not as like a extended bit just as like a similar length thing to what the other ones they did Yeah, like I've got short Wolverine and you got huge actual Wolverine was really funny. They're actually completely accurate short Wolverine Because you're seeing Hugh Jackman be that short was really funny He's obviously a very tall man. He's like six foot something or whatever three, I think I don't know um but so I
01:33:50
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I always think thought of like Hugh Jackman is kind of like the one of the epitomies, at least. can Is there multiple epitomies? I don't know. He's one of the definitive. um Like castings for the comic book role that we've ever seen, like he's kind of the poster child of how good a casting can be and how accurate it can be, minus like the height thing. um And I liked seeing him back. i I had mourned the fact that Logan wasn't the last time we saw him many moons ago. like I got over that. I didn't even really care that much when I found out. like i I do- I mean, as soon as as soon as Disney bought Fox, we also went, oh, okay. It's a matter of time. It's a matter of time before Hugh Jackman comes back, at least to usher in the new stuff and then he can disappear. I think- I didn't do his music or whatever.
01:34:45
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Which, by the way, makes an appearance in this. Did you hear like the the greatest showman song? No, I there's a so i know that um there was a line that Deadpool had, which is like he's going to start singing. um Yeah, he doesn't make it from the show. What show it was, but um like without warm up. No, but there's a there's a in when they when they fight in the Honda Galaxy, whatever it's called or coming what's called a universe on the Odyssey on the Odyssey. Wrong. Wrong. um Mario game in the Honda Odyssey. ah He hit when one of them hits the radio. It starts like with like the opening song for The Greatest Showman. It goes, whoa.
01:35:29
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Which I can't. It's like the first song that's played in that whole movie, I think. It's really good. Um, to answer the question you asked maybe 20 minutes ago. Um, I think it's really good. And I, like I said, I just think they work really well as a pairing. I would have liked them to kind of become friendlier a bit earlier before the ending of them, like before the direct ending of the movie. I mean, like when you got these buddy cop, it's basically a buddy cop maybe. When you go to these buddy cup movies, they have to come together. At least I feel they have to come together before the actual climax. It has to be before you have you can do it right before the climax. Like some but it has to be in there so then we can have a climax of them being like in sync. But like they kind of weren't for until the very, very end, which is fine, but just means anything past that.
01:36:21
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felt rushed because like you Wolverine is stuck in this universe on his universe anymore. And he goes to live with Deadpool and blind Al at the end of the movie. I just don't see why this Wolverine would do that, because this Wolverine has was his has been tolerating Deadpool for three minutes at this point. like Beforehand, he was active. They were actively fighting, shooting, stabbing all of that now. Yeah. And I get like this. There's like gag where they go. Um, where he goes, like, I'm um'm like, I'm going to go. Am I going to see you around? No. And he walks up and Deadpool goes, Hey, Logan. And then, and then it cuts to cuts to them. Like having birthday cake or whatever it was. Yeah. Um, but yeah, at the same time, it it does feel a bit like, well,
01:37:11
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I get that it's a joke but it does still feel a bit unearned. yeah um his' it's just like Because Hugh Jackman is such a talented actor so he actually puts a lot of really good emotion into this character. like i He really pulls a lot of the emotional weight in this movie. And that's not that's not unexpected either. Like I wouldn't expect Deadpool to do that because Deadpool just isn't the character for it. And Wolverine, while both a tragic one of them lives in their tragedy while the other one has kind of just like moved past it and like.
01:37:45
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just plays everything for a jerk and that's that's both characters like why I think they work so well as well because they're both kind of the same character they've gone down different trajectories um but just yeah like Hugh Jackman pulls so much emotion and then there's just like kind of like it feels like it just dead fishes at the very end and like a lot of like his learning to just come to terms with himself is put aside for the fact that he just wants to hang out with Deadpool which doesn't technically they don't technically connect as like things but just it feels like the right thing for him to do was to just kind of go off and learn to be by himself and learn to but have to drink and not have to and learn to live with himself but instead he's he's living with a distraction which kind of kind contradicts a lot of like his character development throughout the movie i feel at least yeah i mean
01:38:35
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it It'd almost be good if i'm when they bring back X-23, which by the way, ah I was happy that they didn't immediately kill off X-23. Yeah. um Which was a worry I had. I was really concerned that they were just going to go like, oh I can't remember this character from Logan who is really good. Yeah, she's dead now. Well, um, it would have, they've already kind of ruined the end of Logan. It would have really been an actual insult to that movie if they'd killed off X 23. Cause that means Logan died for no reason. And on the watch of a different Wolverine. Yeah. So I'm, I'm glad that they do this stupid, like they bring her back out of the void or whatever. Um,
01:39:18
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to to um come live in back in the 1.005 universe. The Fox universe. Can we just call it the Fox universe? If you have trouble reading, that's something and you can fix. 1, 3, 4, 0, 6, 3, 4, 5, 6. And that's on? Yeah, immediately from the radio. was a tv show thing but all right yeah i don't care oh maybe i'm feeling so we'll see what if i'm doing this i'll splice in the actual ad so that people can hear it um but like even if he went with x23 and
01:40:00
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I don't know, hung out. Yeah, it was just the two of them. That would be cool. Because then she gets like the dad that she lost, which does undercut once again, undercuts a lot of the emotional impact of the of Logan, but like we've already done that. So it doesn't matter. Yeah, like it like he's his body has been desecrated. Yeah. um but like Which is still the funniest part of the whole movie. If we've got Wolverine and we got X-23 or we can give X-23, we can give Goro a father figure back. Yeah, yeah. we've we've If we've got a different Wolverine and he's okay.
01:40:35
Speaker
He can hang out with her. Speaking of X-23, should we chat about some of the other canyons? Yeah. So like can we start off with what really is like the most useless and like stupidest one, Electra? Oh, I was going to say Sabretooth, but okay. No, Sabretooth makes sense. like it It's dumb, it is dumb, absolutely, but it makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the ones, and all of them whether I like them or not, all the ones that appear make sense except for Elektra.
01:41:07
Speaker
I don't understand what Lectra's doing here. i I get you and I also disagree. Okay. Can you explain to me why you disagree? So so obviously there's a few Marvel films that came out before MCU and so they have a a bit of a slate to pick from and and we'll talk about a couple of them. ah But some of the ones that didn't get in there were Daredevil, played by Ben Affleck. He's not coming back to the Superhero movies. He's not coming back to the Zoom Marvel stuff. No, he's not doing any superheroes. He managed to get Twilight Look for the Flash. He managed to get out of the DC universe. He's not coming back. So that's sort of a write off. We've got the Punisher.
01:41:54
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See, um, John Baron thought would have been pretty cool. I remember which, which Punisher, which who plays it. John Baron thumb plays them in the new Deadpool, not Deadpool. Sorry. New, like the new stuff that was like kind of MCU was 2004 Punisher was, um, I don't know. Thomas Jane. Yeah. John Travolta was the bad guy. I think John Travolta was the bad guy. You've got Electra, obviously. And, um, the one that I think they should have picked, which is Nicholas Cage as a ghost writer. That would have been amazing. But except Nicholas Cage already did Superman in Flash. So like, do you really? No, I know. But like, you could still do it. Like, there's nothing stopping here. It was a bad joke. It was just a bad joke. Just a bad joke. I wanted to remind people that he was in Flash. Um, I actually, yeah, he should have absolutely been there. I think that'd be great. If you needed that extra character. which I think they sort of did for what they were trying to do there. Then you stored it stuck for options and they've made a couple of jokes about how there's been like five different punishers and there has been a couple of different lectures now, but this was the bad one.
01:43:01
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and um Yeah, Ben Affleck's not coming back to play Daredevil, and obviously they don't have they didn't get a close cage in. um It sort of made sense like when you can so when you're weighing up the options, I think. If you make it like that, then yes. Oh, sorry. The one are the one other option. The one other option was... Hong-Kruse Iron Man. No. I was going to say Edward Norton Hulk. No, but he's technically actually Mark Ruffalo though. Yeah, I know. But like, it would have made sense if Edward Norton Hulk was in the- But Edward Norton would not have come back. But Edward Norton A, Edward Norton wouldn't have come back. And B, making Hulk is really expensive. He like appears for 10 seconds in the reflection of the Wolverine course. Yeah, that's actually, yeah, I forgot about that. Which is cool because that's something that they'll never do in the MCU, which I'm a bit sad about, which is the classic Hulk versus Wolverine. It's too violent. It's not too violent. It's too expensive. It's too violent.
01:44:06
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it's It's not too violent. I don't know what you're talking about. The old man Logan ending where he like gets eaten by the Hulk and then rips his way through his back. and this is not read all I haven't read old man Logan. Oh, spoiler, sorry. That's okay. um but I'm going to spoil like some stuff later.
01:44:27
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um well is now Now we're talking about cameos
Cameos and MCU Implications
01:44:30
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and stuff. Should we now just quickly talk about RDJ? ah adj Well, I want to quickly run through the rest of the action in this movie. As long as you are aware of where you want to talk about it. Yeah. because i don't know i think we should We should finish talking about the cameos in this movie. and then that's a failure yeah okay i mean I thought it was funny. I thought as soon as I saw Chris Evans. I immediately knew it was going to be Fantastic Four, Chris Evans. You can see the blue of the shirt underneath his cloak and I went, this is this is absolutely going to be Human Torch from
01:45:09
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The 2005 order or this fantastic for this to them. Yeah, it's rise of the silver surfer rises silver surfer because obviously everyone goes hi is Captain America um and I don't think people forget but he was in fantastic for but it's sort of No, one no people don't remember him for it's not what people yeah. Yeah, it's not what people um people now when they think of superhero Chris Evans they think of um Yeah, Captain America. It's the more iconic. Yeah There's an interview, I haven't seen the interview, my partner's told me about the interview with um Chris Evans where he basically said the only thing that could have brought him back to do another superhero film was Ryan Reynolds. um And it is very much that he's he's doing a bit and he's not in it for very much.
01:45:58
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um And I think it is funny. i think yeah yeah I think what like often cameos feel really unearned in in movies like this. And I think that mostly it did a really good job of like being on the same level as the audience about The ridiculousness of the way that Marvel has operated as a franchise since the MCU's been around. um There's like between the cameos of all the old films that they want to pretend don't exist.
01:46:37
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And the like, there's a couple of lines where he should talks all the movies that came out of the end game. And like the multiverse. ah Multiverse all sucks. And it's very much something that the audience and the fans that MCU have been saying for a while, or or at least some of them, I think. that very much felt reflective of that rather than potentially ah sort of like unaware,
01:47:10
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or not unaware, but like um trying to be ironic, but but but doing it in in instead. um I think it it did balance that quite well, having that awareness of of where it is and where it sits as, and the sentiment at the moment about Marvel and the the limit, the less success it's had since Endgame. It was good to see obviously like yeah um Chris Evans as as Human Torch. We get Wesley Snipes as Blade with some funny jokes about um them never doing another Blade movie.
01:47:47
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Yeah. Both because they're slated to do another Blade movie and it looks like that Blade movie is never going to come out. I don't understand how those jokes got past Kevin Feige because that's like, there's some jokes near them actually really impressed that they got to make. I think. I have to imagine that they worked on the Star Trek principle of um there was stuff in there that was worse that they put in intentionally so that they would make them take it out and they would overlook some of the less worse stuff. Oh, I see what you're saying. They like really sold some other stuff. They're like, OK, this is like so like sacrificial cathode stuff. This will get got, and then the rest will will survive. Yeah, like let's put them the same way they do cocaine.
01:48:29
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And then we can do all the jokes about and make not wanting cocaine. Yeah, but um wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me if they did that. But yeah, we get that, we get um ah Electro, we get X-23 back, um and then we get a slew of Deadpools in the Deadpool fight. So that Deadpool fight, are we going to talk about it now? We can talk about Deadpool fight now. It's exhausting. There's a lot of interesting stuff in it, and I like the conceit of it being this kind of old boy, um, like parallel camera tracking shot that keeps going to the right, like a corridor on this, what is obvious, one of the most lot looking sets I've ever seen in my life, which I actually have nothing against it being a lot. I prefer a lot of a green screen. I think, I think it was, I have to imagine that was intentional because they had a lot of store that they fly into the, the one that you didn't need to see the ju of leave labor. Um, we feel it's only feet. It feels early feet. What a good joke. That's pretty funny. Um, so like sparks just keep flying out of that after like, they just keep coming and then they start and they go again. And it's like, it's, it's a very like obvious pyrotechnics. Yeah, well what really sold me as this is a lot though is the subway entrance there was just way it was too busy with props and stuff I was like there there's just no way this is not a lot like it looks like a lot I get it a lot anyway but that fight I like what it was trying to do and I can appreciate a lot of the craft that went into it but just by that point in the movie
01:50:08
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I was tired. I needed it to end. And for seeing, I didn't realize how it was going to go, but for seeing a fight with a bunch of characters that could regenerate was just like, have you seen the fourth John Wick movie? Do you care if I spoil the fourth John Wick movie? I mean, I assume you're just going to talk about characters that regenerate, but. No, no, I'm going to put something similar, though. OK. Basically, well, actually, it's even in the third one. There's these they introduce these like high level henchmen, people who wear these this serious body armor, which means they can take really big gunshots like to them and they just like don't feel it or whatever. It's like really good bulletproof stuff. And just those kinds of characters on mass exhaust me because it just means that the fight is going to be really arduous and really long and it gets really tedious. And it's the same can see. Bullet sponges. Bullet sponges. It's like playing Destiny. It's.
01:51:06
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ah It's the same problem. And then when you have a bunch of characters that can regenerate, it's the same issue again. It's just a bunch of it's characters that can take a lot of damage and will not go down. and I agree with you with the conceit that it's less that they don't go down easily and more that you kind of go like, well, they're going to get up again. Yeah. Well, that's the things like everything you're doing, every interesting thing you're doing right now is interesting, but it's for like, don't do anything. That's not just the quickest option because there's no point because no one's going to stay down and they're going to regenerate anyway. Like that's, it's like, what's the point of this fight beyond it's a fight. I mean, it's, it was the point was let's show off all the different dead pools.
01:51:47
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Yeah. Was like fine. Mm hmm. Like we we got some funny ones like the aforementioned whales one played by whales pool. Yeah. Handsome by ah ah Paul Mullen. um We got nice pool. We got no pool. We got lady dead pool. Ugliest dog, by the way. um That dog won like ugliest dog or something, by the way, like that. Yeah, it's like ugliest dog in Britain or something. Yeah. hold dog um We got the have the heavily anticipated lady pool. Oh, they meant head pool. Yeah. We got pools. My favorite. Some other ones. The kid pool. Kid pool is actually like because I like the Deadpool core comic as well. There's like a short run or whatever that I really like. And it's so it has head pool, dog pool, lady pool, Deadpool and kid pool.
01:52:41
Speaker
And all the pools in that are actually pretty fun. If anything, normal Deadpool is probably the most boring one in that one. Like all the other ones are more interesting. The the problem I have with that is that like, we don't know any of these characters. Like we get dog pool, dog pool is a dog and also isn't part of this fight. It's just like unrelated and sort of there.
01:53:03
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we We don't know, Deadpool can get hit. Deadpool can regenerate in the comics, but Dogpool, I don't know, Dogpool can regenerate in this movie. um But like, all we're told about is like, oh, there's lots of Deadpools, and then they rock up. Why are they on the opposing side? I don't know. It doesn't make a lot of sense, and like, we don't care about them. And then like, they're like, oh, yay, Steve, whatever his name is. Peter. Peter. Peter.
01:53:32
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and And it's like, oh, okay, cool. Let's go finish the plot now. And every devil has a Peter. I don't know. It felt like a scene that like just sort of didn't need to be there. and I don't know about you. Like I i would be happy to cut that out completely. Yeah. It's just like, it's the last big final battle before the they end where they don't actually fight the main bad guy. They um just stab two pillars of different colour. No, because Hugh Jackman gets his costume born apart. That was hard by the way. This is the first time that we see masked Wolverine. That's true. We've never seen masked Wolverine in a movie before, which
01:54:13
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it looked good um it looked good for a movie um yeah also don't ever do it again why you didn't like it just don't it's ugly oh you don't like moss wolf room i i like it in the comics i don't like it in the the like the helmetiness of it was weird oh that's fair i just i liked it I like that he puts it on for the final battle. Like, that's cool. I just i mean, like, one I like that. And I like the um he goes around wearing the the yellow X-Men costume from the 70s. I think it is. And yeah, it's not even like the brown and yellow one, which we see the brown yellow one there for two seconds when he's waiting. It's um when he's fighting Hulk for two seconds. as but Yeah, I mean, that's because it's a reference to the Hulk comic, which he debuted in.
01:55:04
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But I'm getting sidetracked. um Yeah, it could be absolutely cut. You're absolutely right. Yeah, I don't know. I would we would um i feel nothing. Except for 10 minutes. I agree. And the one shot where like Peter rocks up and you can see the balls in the suit. I think I really actually liked The one really big part of that scene I really like though is the part where one of the Deadpool's like pirate pool I think tries to climb out the top of the bus and then he gets dragged back in for some reason that just looked really good and then the jump out the back of the window was kind of funny because Deadpool fucks it and that's amusing. I want to talk about. Yeah. I want to talk about the villain. Cassandra Nova. I want to talk about Cassandra Nova. I have no.
01:55:49
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I think she's a good villain. That's it. I want to get some water. You start talking. Okay. So, um, I've read some comics. I'm not going to pretend that I've read every comic. Um, but I have read one, one specific comic and that specific comic is, is a comic called, uh, Grant Morrison's X-Men run. I'm always known as New X-Men. And that's the comic that she gets introduced in. And she. is like a psychic double twin of Xavier. It's a cool concept that they run with in the comics.
01:56:25
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um and like, again, this is something they return to a couple of times, but but um Grand Morrison as a writer, I think, does it really, really well. And there's a really like dissonant characterisation between movie Cassandra Nova and character Cassandra um and a comic Cassandra Nova. And the number one thing for me um was There's a scene in the new X-Men comic that Grant Morrison wrote where when Professor x Xavier is in the womb, when he's in the womb with Cassandra Nova, he kills her. How does he do that?
01:57:12
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And he kills her because she is the, like, all of the evil, the evil reflection of him. like the She's called Mumudrai, which is... um I know what you're talking about, because I put it together when I got back, but this is stupid, okay? This is in the comics. but um In the movie, she gets like they like turn her by saying that Professor Xavier would have ripped a hole in reality to find her, which is just completely contradictory to what it is in the comics. And I know that it's an adaptation and I know it's probably a petty complaint, but I think she's really good in the comics and I think she's really threatening a villain in the comics. And importantly, in the comics, she's a telepath. In the movie, she is a telepath, but does so through telekinesis, which she doesn't happen in comics. I didn't understand her abilities, by the way. Well, she has telekinesis. Yeah, but she can put her hands through people as well, though. Yeah, so telepathy and telekinesis. But neither of those equal Kitty Pride's powers.
01:58:31
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But that's not Kenny Pride's powers. Kenny's powers are dealing with that. Are we supposed to take it that her fingers are actually inside? I don't know. I just like sort of was like, ah it's it's telepathy thing. It looked good though. like it It looked cool. Yeah, it was spooky. But i'm like when it was going underneath the guy's eye and the eye would like come out a bit, like that was pretty big interesting. There's this really cool stuff in the comics where like she swaps bodies with Xavier and corrupts the X-Men from the inside. There's this stuff. And then she like goes and convinces the Shi'ar empire to come and destroy the earth. um And she reactivates the master mold. And I'm talking about a whole bunch of X-Men stuff that Mitch doesn't care about. um But
01:59:21
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I don't know, I felt like you're killing me here they took a really interesting character from the comics and went, oh, she's Professor Exogenous, evil twin. da and And so I went with that. And and so I felt like a wasted opportunity for that character. I, from what you've just said, and just from what the fact that the character is ah the twin sister of Charles x Xavier, just means to me that they needed to have an x Xavier in this movie. Like, we needed... like the The whole point of her character in the comics is that she is a mirror of Xavier. yeah If Xavier is is all forgiving and all good and all kind, she is the opposite.
02:00:03
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And you can't you can't do that if you don't have the other off. You can't reflect something without the thing you're reflecting. Yeah. And so it just got to a point where because they kept teasing as well, like there's been many Xaviers through here. It's like we've had Patrick Stewart in the MCU before. Like we could have done that or James McAvoy or something like. Yeah, it's just like chuck me in for like half a second. And then it's like, OK, cool. makes up a second Like he could, it could have been one of the people that was hanging out at in the, um, in the bunker or whatever, wherever they were with, with, with, um, Channing Tatum Gambit.
02:00:43
Speaker
Yeah, that's the one we forgot about. Yeah, we forgot to mention that. I actually don't have much to say about that. I mean, they did it because Training Table was meant to play Gambit in a movie for agents. And then it got cancelled a bunch of times. Yeah. It didn't even get cancelled because of that. It was in development hell for so long. It was already cancelled. That was my little rant about Cassandra Nervos. She deserves a better because she's a really evil villain. Well, she won't get better because she's dead now. I think she got wasted.
02:01:15
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Um, you mean killed or like actually wasted because like when we're wasted in like Grand Theft Auto, it means yeah, like wait Yeah, like waste. No, I think her character got like underutilized for for what? Was written as a really interesting reflection of Zabia. Yeah and I'm sad about that, but it's my own petty complaint and I understand that and I understand if you end up cutting all this out because it's just me ranting about a comic book character, but no one knows anything I don't have much else to say. I think we want to talk about Adi J. Well, I was going to say about the movie. I was going to say specifically to make a talk about Adi J. I think Mr. Paradox was fun. He's not a very interesting character. I think he's just a well played one. I think the actor is really good and I just think he was fine. Like fun.
02:02:04
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like ah See, I don't know. i' i've It felt cheesy to me. Yeah, that's why I liked it. It felt to be cheesy in a bad way. At the start, it seemed all right. And then it sort of went on to like cheesy villain trope. And I was like, uh, you could have just killed him off. And it would have, I think it would have been better. Like if they have had Cassandra kill him off at the point when he tells her how to operate the time referrer or whatever MacGuffin I don't understand why she kept him alive. No, like there's no reason that she needs to keep him alive. Yeah. And he was sort of just like dead weight narratively. He doesn't serve any interesting purpose. I thought he was funny. I liked Matthew McFadden. He's in some stuff. I mean, he's good. And like it was played well. And it was played to like what the character needed to be. I just, I don't know. I think like a lot of this movie overstayed his welcome.
02:03:00
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Yeah, no, absolutely. That's, that's, that's very fair. Let's talk about RDJ, which we absolutely have not discussed already in this podcast and will not have been cut out to make this podcast make sense. So as many of you may have known from either a tweet or just in general, maybe you were there. I don't know. Maybe you were even there. Yeah. But then you junior has returned. I don't know.
02:03:28
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Robert N. Jr. has returned to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Max, which um what character is R.D.J. playing? He's playing... Victor Von Dern, but yes, I remember that. Did you forget his name? Yes, I did. I thought you were trying to do a bit. No, I forgot his name. Classic. uh you know why do you know why they needed to recast it because kang is a wife beetle because kang is a wife beetle i didn't go from beetle i didn't think they were married but yeah kang did he did dv that's bad he did he did a domestic violence and he rightfully
02:04:12
Speaker
went to court. I don't think he's serving any jail time, but he did. um He's serving no Marvel times, but he's serving them all at that rightfully. So, um, good. Like, uh, I bet they had to change official stance of the blockbuster podcast. Um, if you do a domestic violence, you should no longer be allowed to make movies. You should probably also go to jail, but like... And you should also go to jail, yeah, but we're not a jail podcast, we're a movie podcast, so... Yeah. Can be a jail podcast. Fun? It can be a jail podcast. There's too many true crime podcasts already. We're like, this week on the we're busting the block. Did you forget the cell block? Did you forget our own podcast name?
02:04:57
Speaker
I was going to go like Max and Mitch's Block Busted for half a second. I was going to call it by doing that. If anything, it was mix and match productions, present Block Busted. The jail on the cell block. Cell Block Busted. Cell Block Busted. Brawl and Cell Block 99. Anyway, they changed for Slate and now Robert Downey Jr. is playing Dr. Doom. And there's a lot of stuff about how like, oh, they related characters and yada, yada, yada. Yeah. Thoughts? Well, this is something I didn't think of when I heard about this, but a lot of people are really frustrated about it, and I guess I'm wondering if you thought about this. They didn't get a Romani actor to play this character. Yeah, I did say this. um um in fact In fact, not only did they not get a Romani actor, but they are
02:05:46
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ah have a bad history with how they have traded Romani characters in general in the MC year. um Quicksilver got deaded. Wanda became evil and got deaded. she's probably back alive but also played both played by white people though also played by white people all american and then we have dr doom played by a white guy three for three is not good um there was one other character and i can't remember who it was is it um is it is it is it like black widow it's not black widow i mean she's so
02:06:21
Speaker
Yeah, she's Russian, not not not money. You can get you can have an American player Russian. That's okay. Especially if she has an American accent. But yeah, I I should understand why. That's my problem. I mean, i okay I do understand why it's because they're desperate and they need um something to go right for them. And the last right thing was Iron Man. So that's why they're doing it. But
02:06:50
Speaker
It's just such an uninspired casting, I think. Yeah. I just like it's it's there because they're trying to reinvigorate the MCU because um it's it's stunt casting. And it yeah, it does feel like a stunt cast. It doesn't there's no other way to for me. There's no other way to look at it other than this is just them desperately clinging to relevancy. Yeah. And it's sad how far the MCU has fallen. And the reason why it fell was because it got too big and it got they got too greedy. And this is hubris at this point, I think. The MCU was their tower of Babel. And and the and and and it's collapsed. as The timelines.
02:07:40
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their key figure got taken. Iron Man was their key figure, whatever it was. Anchor, figure, whatever. And so. man And in command. I also heard, I don't know how true this is, but I also heard that Robert Danjuna would only come back if Joss Whedon would direct the next. Marvel movie or something, and I'm not comfortable um with that. No, because some the Russo brothers have signed on to do that movie, and um for so Avengers Doomsday is is um the movie that he's twenty twenty six he's being ah ah slated for. Probably not.
02:08:18
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Preview in the fantastic. form I don't think so. um I thought he was the bad guy for fantastic It would make sense because he's the classic fantastic for villain. Yeah, I'm not sure that he is um They can't afford to use him twice um so but he's definitely gonna be in Avengers doomsday um and then and then um the bruso brothers have also signed on to do um avengers secret wars uh which i forgot those things which i like because i like secret wars i actually haven't read a secret wars i should read one which one would you recommend max i mean the old ones good and the new ones good and they're good for different reasons you can just freak both of them they're miniseries
02:09:08
Speaker
All right, I'll do it. I was going to read, um, I was going to read some X-Men, but maybe I'll just read some secret words. Yeah. And then read the Grand Morrison X-Men. I was going to regret. Oh, I'm, I'm reading that one little comic that they did that recaps all old X-Men. And then I was going to read the grant Morrison one. The grant Morrison one's good. Yeah. And then if you like it, you can read the weapon X one that like ties into it. That's fine. I want to read on task force X. There's a Deadpool in it and Wolverine. You know what comic does timeline stuff good? Scott Pilgrim. That I the i discovered semi recently. Miracle Man. It's not Miracle Man. It's not Scott Pilgrim. Miracle Man's really good, though. It's a comic called Exiles.
02:10:00
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Exiles? Exiles. Like there's no more, the aisles are gone, the ex ones, or like exiles. Well then they're exiled. Oh, I was talking about like I was in a supermarket. They're like mutants. And they do like reality hopping stuff. It's sort of like um what X-Force tried to be. If you remember that, um if you don't remember that, it they sort of did it in Deadpool 2. I haven't actually read X-Force. I just told you I was going to read it. But it's fun and good. I like it. This is mix unrelated sort of. I think we wrapped this up. I think yeah I was going to say we we're degrading right now. I think both of us are falling asleep. ah Oh my God, we've recorded for so long. UK? Yeah, I just realized I didn't log in letterbox. What? Deadpool? Deadpool. What does do it do today? Yeah, I know. I will after we record. Okay, you're a good. You look like you looked freaked. Yeah, I was. freak Normally I do it in the cinema.
02:11:00
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Did we move too quick for you? I was too distracting. I was waiting for the end credits scene. Yeah. And that's why I didn't do it. You've told me before that you could just don't while you were waiting for the end credits. Yeah, I know. But it's different when you do it and you are unexpectedly surprised by it. If you discover one versus end credits, you're waiting. Yeah, I get it. You're waiting in anticipatorily. Yeah, I understand. Oh, do you want to... Oh, I get this. Do you want to give your um score? um Sure, I gave, or I'm giving Deadpool and Wolverine three desecrations of beloved franchises out of five.
02:11:46
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I'm giving Deadpool and Wolverine three walls broken. So it's close to the fourth. Can you break the fifth wall? Is that like the ceiling? I've looked this up. I swear I've looked this up and I don't think you can. I don't... I'm not doing this conversation now. we need ah We need to wrap this up. All right.
02:12:14
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Took so long to press the button. Come on, man. Come on. I'm um um sick. You're fading, I know. I'm sick. We're doing fan mail. do Spam mail, oomph. We're not doing fan mail. We're actually doing... Well, I'll kind of jump in here. i've I'm just looking at the fan mail now. i didn't I didn't look at it. like We received a mail. I don't think this is from the fan, but we received a spam mail. Can we edit this so it's like... do Spam mail! Oomph!
02:12:57
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we are We got an email from Alsham Kupfesh at the email address Terrence5gay91 at gmail dot.com Gay91?
02:13:10
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And it reads, Hey there. Our focus is on delivering outstanding products and services to our customers. We are dedicated to making sure you are completely satisfied with your experience. And then it gives you an invoice number, an attached PDF that probably email says is okay, but I don't want to open it. and that That's probably a um it's probably a bug. like It's gonna it's going to open the control panel and then close it immediately and it means you got a bug. Yeah. um so But because we have no fan mail, it's time for Film Buff. Can you say it more? Film Buff. Film Buff. Sorry.
02:13:55
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And now it's time for Film Buff. Very good. Is that better? Yeah, it's good. That was very good. I over. All right. I've got six new questions. you This is actually six new questions. Actually new questions. For those of you who um We're sorry if we ever released a Burness episode, we did actually repeat the questions like that. There's an episode that was lost that was done before Max and I went- Lost episode. Because it was only released in Japan.
02:14:28
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The net was that Max and I made recorded before we went AWOL. That Max, I think was meant to edit, but since we were AWOL, we, everything just got shut down. Um, I edited my brain. It's fine. Like I'm not blaming you. I was just saying we were like, I don't even know why I said you were supposed to edit. I'm sorry. I'll take that out. Um, it's fine i want i didn't I didn't mean to name in shame. That wasn't the point I was i was trying to do. it's It's okay. It's okay. It's fine. It's fine, really. it but fine ah It's being edited now and we'll probably release it. at some point as like a lost episode type thing but it's like the second time we did film buff and Max used the exact same card that he used on me last week and that's possibly why I did so well last week in comparison to the first time I did it so anyway we're gonna try this again I've got a quote for you ah so it's always gonna be like quote something yeah the first one's always a quote okay all right all right all right
02:15:25
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Okay, it's Matthew McConaughey's character. I don't know his name, but it's from Dazed and Confused. That is correct, it's David Wooderson from Dazed and Confused. Who played Jenny as an adult in Forrest Gump? I actually have no idea who played Jenny who in Forrest Gump. It was Robin White, right. I would never have guessed that, yeah. True or false? Kendrick Lamar won a Best Original Song Oscar for All the Stars from Black Panther. True. It is false. I don't know what song won that year, but it wasn't that one.
02:16:04
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who directed leaving las vegas leaving las vegas leaving las vegas not fear and loathing in las vegas no oh i know fear and loathing from las vegas i don't know if i don't know leaving las vegas uh it is mike figas who the hell is mike figas oh whoa let's have a look now look can you do this afterwards we need to do this quick it's like it's it's nearly two and a half minute hours dude dude we don't have the time for this he did um leaving Las Vegas and internal affairs.
Trivia and Closing Remarks
02:16:39
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One night, please move on. I don't recognize any of these movies. Maybe I'm too young. Let me embarrass myself. The viaduct that James Bond falls from in Skyfall was located in which country? Why would I know that? Brazil? It is in Turkey or as it's written on the card Tokyo.
02:17:02
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Hmm. Was that meant to be like in the movie or like in the, um, no, I think that's where the actual viaduct is. No, I don't know what any of that stuff's done. Okay. What actor links the Hurt Locker Avengers infinity war? James Macavoy. Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter. It's, it's, it's, it's, um, Falcon. It's Falcon. Andrew Mackey. and Anthony Mackey. Anthony Mackey. I said Andrew. I'm going to get, I'll give that to you. Thank you. That's good enough for me. Yeah. I i wouldn't, if it'd just been between Hurt Locker and the last one, what was it again? What was the last one? found of Vampire Hunter? Abraham? Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. Yeah. I've never seen that. So I didn't know he was in that, but I know he's Falcon and I know he's in Hurt Locker. So we're good.
02:17:54
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I did horrible, it's like three out of six, I think. Maybe not even. Hooray! Ugh, 50%.
02:18:04
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Okay. I did it. That's my cough for the podcast. Um, this has been the blockbuster podcast. I've been, was I met a Mitch? I didn't change that. Did I? You changed yours. I've been met a Mitch and I've been dead max, dead max. Yeah. Max. That's right. The max Paul. um No, I'm, I'm Mitch. You're dead max.
02:18:31
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I mean, that's about right, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, I could be Mitch Poole and you could be Max Vereen. Oh, Wulver Max. Wulver Max. Wulver Zensky. Wulver Riemann. Sol Wulver Riemann. You can send us questions, reviews, and wanted hate mail at blockbustedpotty at gmail dot.com. That's potty spelled P-O-D-D-I-E. You can also find us on the app formerly known as Twitter, as well as Instagram and TikTok at the username bbpotty. I realized last week, if I don't say that right, it sounds like the app, all the apps are formerly known as Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. um So I gotta make sure I differentiate between app formerly known as Twitter and then Instagram and TikTok. you You don't even care, do you? I mean, you could just call it Twitter.
02:19:22
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Leave a five-star review, please. um if you ah If you do that, we can get on the charts. And once we're on the charts, we can annoy more people. And if you do it on Apple, so yeah I'll let you do it. I mean, you can do it if you want. If you do it on Apple, you can read a comment. We can read it out on the podcast. Do you say you can read a comment? You can write a comment and we can rate it out of a podcast. You can also rate comments already there. I accidentally rated us five stars on Apple because I pressed the five star button by accident when I was looking at something. So um you're just going to do that but intentionally.
02:19:57
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Yeah, i I mean, I don't care if you don listen, listen, listen, listen, and listen, because I tried to take it out because I didn't want it. I didn't want to have rated my own podcast. And so I tried to like wipe so I could dance to all the scars. But then all I was doing was leaving a one star review. And so I figured I'd rather leave a five star than a one star. No, you can review your a podcast. How podcast is great? Me. Yeah, why not? You listen to it. I'm a bit biased. Oh, well. ah This week, talk to your audience. You're all, this is all like, um, what to call the one movie with Jim Carrey. Truman share? We can't be, we can't just be silent for the end of this. We have to hold on. So are you suggesting that we all live like in the TV? I do. I am suggesting that. So I can crawl out of your TV next time. No, that's on Nicholas Cage's job.
02:20:51
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Who am I kidding? This is not Sue's early story. I have no connection with her. I can't even meet her. I can't meet anyone. I have no understanding of anything outside of my own panic and self-loathing and pathetic little existence. It's like the only thing I'm actually qualified to write about is myself and my own self. We open on Charlie Kaufman, fat, old, bald, repulsive, sitting in a Hollywood restaurant across from Valerie Thomas, a lovely, statue-esque film executive, Kaufman, trying to get a Ryan assignment, wanting to impress her, swests profusely.
02:21:26
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Fat, bald Kaufman paces furiously in his bedroom. He speaks into his handheld tape recorder and he says,
02:21:37
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Charlie Kaufman, fat, bald, repulsive, old, sits at a Hollywood restaurant with Valerie Thomas. Kaufman, repugnant, ridiculous, jerks off to the book jacket photo of Susan Orlick.