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How I created Ethnocynology (Part 2) - Ethno 2
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In part 2 of these premiere episodes of Ethnocynology with David Ian Howe, David speaks for another 30 minutes straight (with maybe 3 pauses) about his favorite subject—Ethnocynology.
David begins by recapping what he talked about last time; how he studied archaeology, and what led him to studying dogs.
He then starts this episode off with how he grew up with an aunt who is a veterinarian and how he always had a stream of dogs in and out of the house.
He then talks about his mentors and predecessors Dr. Brian Cummings who coined the neologism “ethnocynology,” and Dr. Angela Perri, who is the leading researcher in dog genetics.
David then talks about meeting Dr. Perri in Italy at a conference, and how he bombed his opening performance at the conference.
David then continues to discuss how he created the Ethnocynology Instagram, and how it was an outlet to teach the things he had learned in grad school.
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Transcript
Introduction to Ethnocynology
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You're listening to the Archaeology Podcast Network.
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Welcome to episode two of Ethnocynology, my new YouTube series and podcast on the Archeology Podcast Network. My name is David Howe. I run Ethnocynology on Instagram. Actually, I should say I'm David Ian Howe. David Howe is some football player and a criminal. I'm David Ian Howe. Google that and it won't bring you up to that other guy.
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Anyway, so last episode was kind of a discombobulated mess of me just talking out of my ass. This episode will be the same, but a little more structured. ah So I'm on Instagram live here. if People have questions about dogs. Shoot them in the chat and I will answer them towards the end. It's only a half hour long.
What is Ethnocynology?
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So last time I talked about what is ethnocynology and how I became an archaeologist and anthropologist. To sum it up, ethnocynology is like ethno meaning people, cyno meaning dog in Greek. So ethnocynology study of dogs and people. So the study of dogs in human cultural contexts.
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And the word ethnocynology is technically called a neologism, neologism, neologism. We'll go with neologism by Brian Cummings, if you look up the Wikipedia page. And I reached out to him and he was like ecstatic that somebody was like picking it up. Because I thought about ethnoleupinology ethno ethno-kinetopology, ethno, and then I found ethnocynology. And technically, that would be the right term, because it's both the Greek words. You're not mixing Greek and Latin. So ethnocynology is it.
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And he was kind of ecstatic and he wrote a book called our debt to the dog. I own it. I read through it pretty good. He's the guy who coined it, but he was like totally cool with me, like using it as a brand and like whatever. Cause it's, you know, it's not, he doesn't own it. It's just the, the Greek word for what a study of something is. And ology it's like jitsu or like ninjitsu jujitsu in Japanese is like,
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I think it means extension of the hand or something like that, but like in the same term, like ology in Greek is like study of, so like extension of that. too So that was irrelevant to say, but I just always found that interesting that those are similar. But anything with ology is like the study of. So ethno, sinology, ethno, study of people and dogs.
David's Journey into Anthropology
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Yeah, in the last episode, in the discombobulated fashion, I tried to explain how I got into this, which was I always liked the clashing of cultures, you know, with the Spanish arriving in the Americas, the French, and the English. I always liked military stuff or like weaponry. I always liked that stuff. So when I took an anthro class and found stone tools, hunter-gatherer, like ecology, how hunter-gatherers operate.
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hunter-gatherer warfare, stone technology versus you know iron age technology or gunpowder age technology found that interesting. But I always liked dogs and I didn't get into this last time, but my aunt growing up was a veterinarian on Long Island and she always had like Many different dogs, some she fostered that she was taking care of at the vet place, some she like were her own dogs, some she just like found. There was also, I sort of had to see a lion cub when I was a kid, cause she had one, someone just dropped it off at the vet place and was like, take care of this. So it was all a lion cub as a kid. Iguanas, we had a kinkachu, which is a, not a Pikachu and not a chew that has, am I going to say that one? It is a,
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Like a jungle creature. That's all I can just grab it as. And it escaped the cage, crawled around the house and bit my uncle's ear, like clean, not off, but like took a big chunk out. He had to get stitches. So they no longer had the kinkajou. Regardless, always had many dogs. And we had our own family dog, which my aunt, you know, was brought to my aunt's practice. Her name was Maggie. She was a beagle and a cocker spaniel. Very cute little dog, fat, kind of dumb, but half beagle. So she was very loud, but very sweet.
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And that was like, I had my childhood dog and then we had Athena when I was older, when I got into college, Athena, Maggie got put down in, when I was in high school. It was a day 300 came out because my dad and I like balled our eyes out watching 300, putting the dog down. And then we were like, let's go watch 300, like just a 180, which is pretty cool.
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I remember that day very vividly, and I'm sure most people remember the days when you put your dog down, like what you're doing kind of stuff,
Dogs as Historical Indicators
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because it's significant. It's like losing a person. Chemically, it is. Anyway, digressing again. but Uh, my aunt was just always into animals, always had dogs. And like, I learned a lot about dogs through my aunt. Like she would tell me like dog stuff or like when they're sick was happening. Like, why are they eating grass? Why are they doing this? And of course, every vet or person that trains dogs has a different answer to that question. But yeah, it was just around a lot of dogs and definitely a lot of like foster. So I got to play with a lot of dogs as a kid and I was really into that. So when I got to grad school studying anthropology and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, like why?
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There's no one studying this dog aspect of human history. I like jumped at that and was like, let me do it. And I mentioned Brian Cummings, but I also want to shout out Dr. Angela Perry. She's a colleague of mine. She's like the dog.
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black belt in dog archaeology because she is American, but she went overseas to the UK, got a Mary Curie scholarship, worked at Max Planck and does dog genetics. And in the last 10 years genetics has really advanced archaeology and our understanding of the past.
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And she was like smart as hell and applied that to dogs. And I talked about this in the lecture and I talked about this in a post the other day, but you can't study indigenous human remains here in the States. It's against the law. It's a federal thing called NAGPRA, which is the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. And our scientists aren't allowed to examine, exhume, or like do any testing to indigenous remains. So it's hard to learn about the physiology of people back then are like understanding what their isotopes are, which is essentially chemical registers in your bones that tell us what you were eating and things like that. So you can do that, though, through studying dogs, because if there were dogs at the site eating the same kind of stuff as the people and be eating their feces or just their trash, got a good glimpse of what dogs were eating and get you a good glimpse of what people are eating. But she's a genius. I met her in Rome. I went to a conference called
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dogs past and present, which was the first annual conference, is what it was called, or the first annual, I think it was first conference, first annual conference. Hasn't happened again, so I guess it wasn't annual. But a friend of mine, Megan Denison, who's a grad student studying dogs when I was in undergrad, told me about it. And I was like, well, I'm going. And my work paid for it. And I went and I presented wrote the presentation on the plane and didn't think about my fonts not being on their computer. And I gave this presentation to an international audience of people and they were all like super bright people from like Max Planck at Oxford. And I gave this presentation that had gifts in it. It was lackluster and all of the fonts were like spread out across the page because it didn't translate to their computer. And I speak broken Italian and I was like trying to, I started like, cause I didn't stand up and I was trying to like,
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I was the first person to present. So I like was like, all right, I gotta open the show here. And I just like started with a line in Italian, and no one laughed. It was bad. So I repeated it, and still no one laughed. And I literally not facetiously said, is this on? Because like I thought maybe they just didn't hear me. And the lady in Italian was like, we just didn't understand you, yeah or in English, which was brutal. And then I gave the presentation, and I was essentially saying, like I am really interested in dogs and a lot of people are. And if you're watching this on the live stream that, you know, people are in the chat here, you're probably interested in dogs or my facial hair, one or the other, or just me fucking up here. But, um, yeah, I was saying that and I was like, if all these dog papers are coming out in nature and in archeological sciences and antiquity and American antiquity, why don't we just make a large dog journal where like all of the cool dog archeology and science and dog behavior studies skip put and I don't think that exists yet. It's probably on me to make that. I'm not going to do it, but trademark, if you you know if you want to do that, you let me know. Yeah, so I opened up that conference, and I'm the first paper in the book. And I was like, please, I don't i don't have any research I don't want to publish in here. And they were like, well, you gave a paper, you got to do it. So I'm published somewhere. I forget where. It's all in Italian. Yeah, so and I free forgot, donde, in Spanish, is like where. And dove in Italian is like where. But I kept saying donne.
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And I was like asking her where like the USB thing goes. And don't it just means like woman. So I just lady was trying to help me put the stick into the computer. I kept going Donna Donna. And she's just all she heard was me and American accent going woman woman. And it was, it was awkward. But that was my first international conference and I.
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Was supposed to save for all of it because it was eight to five every day, but it was Rome and I was like, well, I'm getting paid to be here. I'm going to go eat pizza. I'm going to eat some carbonara. I'm going to go see the Colosseum. But these American dudes outside the Colosseum were like, it's not worth it. So I didn't waste my money. I went to the Sistine Chapel. I went to the Vatican museums, which were spectacular. I went to the Capitoline Museum. That was amazing.
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I got a private photographer dude I met at the hotel who like took me around or the Airbnb I was at, took
Dogs in Historical and Modern Contexts
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me around Rome. He does like photography stuff. And like we just talked about photography and like showed me how to take pictures on my new camera and stuff.
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wanted the big but I'm not entirely sure. But anyway, it was fun. Got some pictures, took me on like a private tour of Rome. That was really cool. Digressing, a lot of the stuff in Rome though, there were dog statues everywhere. And I talked about this in the lecture, and I'm sure if you've heard my podcast, you've heard me say this before, but there's dogs.
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like greyhound statues all over the place. It was a sign of like royalty and it was a sign of wealth if you could afford like a greyhound from specifically Egypt, but I think there's Italian greyhounds too. So even back then, like Rome was like, you know, high society back then. So a lot of people showed their wealth through dogs. And that's ah something where All the dog breeds that we know today are like so varied and there's tiny teacup ones. There's tiny, like there's big ones. There's ones that are very specialized. The Victorian era is where like a lot of those teacup breeds came from and a lot of like those fancy, what you think of the kennel club kind of dogs. And that was like people showing their status through having these fancy dogs. And that's like kind of a more recent thing in history with dogs. And you can see that genetically and just through paintings, because if you look at Greece and Rome and China, there's dog paintings like everywhere, Mexico as well.
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Let's see, I'm going to take a pause here and look at the questions I've got, if anyone has asked any. I'll save them for the end. Do you think we will ever see a reconstruction of the Salish wool dogs? People ask me about Salish wool dogs constantly. I know nothing about them. I need to work on that. Maybe I'll do an episode on that where I can like in real time learn that and study it because um those are the ones where that they use the dog's wool.
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to make like clothing out of writing and blankets and stuff. I would like to learn more about that myself. Let's see, you can scroll a bit here. Do you study Neanderthals or humans, Neanderthal interactions? um So I superficially know that because you have to learn about Neanderthals and you have to learn about ancient humans in you know the past. like You have to take a paleoanthropology class. You have to take a bioanthropology class. So you you do learn about like the different hominids and stuff. So I know about it. i just don't like I would say like more than the average person, but that's not my focus. So I don't look it up every day and follow like the latest stuff. But yes, I do, do know quite a bit about that. Um, I would say superficially, someone has to see my feet. That's going to have to stop. No bad. Let's see. He has studied me in nature. I have that man who said that taught me how to flint nap, by the way. And he made this shirt.
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let's see i'll go back to where i was going you're published in my book i'm in a book cool and think i just talked about that cool i don't say anything yeah opinion on the back her wall herding dog from Northern India subcontinent. I have not heard about it. She dropped me some stuff in the chat about that. We can talk about that later. Anyway, back to the where I was going. So Angela Perry, I met her in Rome and she was looking for jobs teaching somewhere and I was going to end up getting my PhD with her as her student, like Jedi Padawan thing, but I didn't end up working out. I think she's at Texas A and&M now.
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or she might not be. Anyway, anything that comes out by Dr. Angela Perry, check it out, because it's like top-notch dog archaeology and genetics. So how did I get here for the people listening? i Like I said, I did hunter-gatherers and stone tools in grad school, and most of my papers had to do with dogs. That sound in the background is my dog chugging water like a camel, by the way, which camels evolved in the Americas and left to Asia. People didn't know that. Lamas are also camels.
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learned that in school. So like my thesis, I talked about this last time, it's more fundable and just more doable, especially at a hunter-gatherer and paleo-indian school to study lithics and stone tools. Lithics is the Greek word for stone tools. So I did that, but my term papers and stuff all had to do with dog research. So all of that, my linguistic paper, my cultural paper, my bio paper, and my my archaeology paper actually didn't have to do with dogs, ironically.
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But all of that combined turned into my big lecture that I gave and lot of the lecture ones that I give here on Instagram. And my cultural one, I looked through a bunch of like indigenous myths, looking through, you know, which ones mentioned dogs. And like the way you do this, though, is you go to the library and like the school library website, every university has this.
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And I just go to, this is kind of inductive reasoning, or deductive reasoning, I should say. ah that's a whole We can do a whole episode on like doing research. but Looked up dog plus indigenous plus ethnography plus, and I looked for like every instance of like indigenous, you know, ethnographies of indigenous people referencing dogs. And then you get the call number, tell a librarian, hey, I want to borrow this book. And if they don't have it, they order it or they send you the PDF. And I did that. My dog is over there on the floor if you guys want to see him.
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What's up, bro? Let's see. So I did that, found all those books, and that became my term papers. And I did a lot of snooping around through, like, other university stuff, and I had friends send me things from other... Yeah, there's my dog. He's right there. What's up, bro? He's chilling. He doesn't like that there's a skull right here.
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Actually, he probably would like to chew on it, to be honest. I doesn't care if it's a dog. What would you consider my favorite dog breed? Definitely German Shepherds, hands down. I had a Beagle. I had a Britney Spaniel, or like the Cocker Spaniel mix, whatever the hell she was. Then I had a Lab. I had many different Retrievers in my life as a kid, like old Retrievers. And I would say Shepherds. It's just a different dog. let's like It's a different animal. I would consider it different than a dog. it's just It's a German Shepherd. It's much cooler to me. But I'll go back to any kind of dog
David's Social Media Evolution
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for real.
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Cattle dogs, super smart. I think they're some of the smartest breeds. I've met many blue healers since I've been out here out West where there's a lot of cattle dogs and incredibly intelligent dogs. They're also a adorable to me. Before I lose topic of what I was doing, I yeah did all those term papers. I made the dog lecture out of that, essentially. And let's see.
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That was linguistic. program That turned it into a lecture. And then when I left grad school, I ended up working for the Army Corps of Engineers through New South Associates, which is an archaeology firm in the South. And I was a collections manager, and I did collections management through all of grad school. That was like my job, which is essentially work working behind the scenes in a museum or a collections management facility. And um not to go too into the weeds on that, but anything excavated on private land is federally required to be housed in a federal facility and protected by whatever agency is doing it. So if it's the Forest Service or the Bureau of Land Management, the BLM, some of the state stuff, anything, they can pay to have a federal repository
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house that material and take care of it and like in a climate-controlled facility and things like that. And I did that for the Army Corps. So anything that was excavated on the Army Corps property, which has a lot of stuff to do with rivers and lakes and dams that the Army a Corps runs, anything that did that in the South came into my jurisdiction at that lab. And I hired veterans to... Well, the program's goal was to hire veterans to do that archaeological work.
00:16:37
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because that's the whole thing too. The guy who founded it did the mass grave excavations from Saddam Hussein in the first Gulf War. I then did it you know went over there after the second one and did a lot of excavations and he testified against Saddam Hussein using archaeology to say like hey these people are shot in the back of the head and thrown into a ditch and like here's how you can tell using just basic archaeology, which is really cool. Unfortunate for them. That's not cool. But you know what I'm saying? and And a lot of the soldiers he worked with were were like, bro, what do I do when I get back? And he was like, I have an idea because there's so many archaeological collections that need work. So we would hire vets to do that work.
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And didn't see any dogs come through my facility, which was boring, but a lot of bears. Turkey had a lot of reverence for bears and they harvested the bear fat and things like that. Bear fat is very good. I've had it recently. I actually haven't eaten bear before, but anyway, that was that job. But I would come home from work and not being in grad school anymore. And in grad school, you're like,
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It's like whipped into you every day that like you have to be working on something. You have to be studying. You have to be working on this paper. You need to be doing research or you need to be going to functions like through the department and stuff. And I would come home and like freak out that I had no homework. I had no paper. I had nothing to do. So.
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You think alien species also have a similar relationship with a doctor? Absolutely. If there is a predator out there, like a cat or a dog type thing, it has definitely interacted with some intelligent, upright, bipedal being like us, a hundred percent. But yeah, you're totally speculative. I get you there. For the people listening, that was something coming up in the chat.
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So I'd come home and not have anything to do. And I couldn't just sit there and play video games. And I was in a new city. I didn't have any friends there yet. I had friends I could play with online and stuff and talk to and text, but like no one I knew. So rather than sit there and play video games all night, like after work and then wake up and do the next thing or the same thing the next day, I ended up writing all this stuff down on Instagram because I hadn't used Instagram too much before. And this was 2018, 2019, 2018, 2019.
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And would like that was when Instagram was all like writing. And I would just write out these nice posts. And it kind of gained, I don't want to say a following, it gained like popularity within like my academic community and that network and my other friends. And then because it was you know dog related, just strangers popped in. And I did some in Spanish, which then like I could target the ads and stuff to Mexico and Spain. And that brought in more people, which is how that whole thing came up.
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and the it just grew and grew and then in 2020 TikTok kind of popped off and that's when I hopped on the TikTok and started doing like the skits and talking about dogs and stuff and that blew up like I went like 100,000 subscribers or followers on TikTok within like a few months, which was crazy. And I wasn't used to that. I don't like using TikTok. I still don't. Like what I would do is read the posts from Instagram and do them in like video format on TikTok. And then when Instagram started competing with TikTok to do more videos, that's when Instagram
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really took off for me because I could do both formats and then once I did that lecture in 2022, well 2022 I spent the summer out here digging that Clovis site and I would like post videos from that every day and that just blew up and then I gave that lecture, post it I gave it like November edited and posted it in January. And that just, that's like 500,000 views on YouTube, I think more now. And blew up, I cut that into reels and put the, actually I cut the lecture, I started editing the whole lecture into like cuts, like what would look good on Instagram, like quick little snippets. And then I put that into the entire lecture. Like it was all in order in the lecture, but tested it out on Instagram. And if a bunch of people like, that's actually not wrong because of XYZ,
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I was then able in the lecture to put a note being like, actually, this is wrong. And I just completely misspoke and didn't know what I was talking about. So yeah, COVID really did it because I was just inside by myself through 2020, just like,
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with nothing to do and I just would post and like I'll think a lot of us went a little nuts in social media in 2020 and it just like did really
Dogs in Civil Rights History
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well. I remember doing one that was like about the George Floyd protests like I talked about you know dogs and police dogs in the Houston like the civil rights movement and like you know how it wasn't great and that like did numbers so And I felt weird profiting off that, but it was like also information that like it was relevant for me to post. And it was, you know I think, cool to discuss at that time. And that got like a lot of a lot of people either hating at me for it or like being like, hell yeah, do it, dude. And ah that's stuff like that happens, too. So you learn quickly. like
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Half the people are going to hate what you post, the other other half aren't, but either way it's going to make engagement and then you get bigger. So there's ah there's a little tidbit there. Let's see, any other questions here? Are breeds a modern dog thing? Has it always been like that? I kind of talked about this in the beginning of the episode, but yes, the way we see breeds now is definitely more of a modern thing. Back then it was just like you had different dogs that did different things. they like The dogs in Egypt look like this versus the dogs in China. And like, I'm sure people traded dogs for sure in Greece and Rome. Dogs were like a traded commodity. And I bet there's a genetic study on that. I can look into that. I know for a fact there's some in the Paleolithic. You can track dogs being traded across great distances.
The Science of Dog Classification
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Is there a particular difference, I assume, sure, between breeds and species? All dogs are the same species. They are Canis lupus familiaris, so that us of a subspecies of the wolf.
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think people used to classify them as different and you could do like sub sub species you'd be like this is Canis lupus familiaris Labrador if you wanted to but get to know the weeds and I talked about this last episode and I'll dedicate a whole episode to this species is just a spectrum and it's like a social construct that we apply to that spectrum with words so it's like gets into the weeds but yeah that's how this kind of took off and i know people listening now are probably like well why don't you just like talk about dog science and so like that i will in the next two episodes i just got to get these first two out
00:22:54
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and wanted to say this so people can always go back and listen to the first two to understand like where this came from but when i was starting in eighteen twenty nineteen that's when donny dust popped up and he reached out to me and was like dude hell yeah i love your stuff and i was like i love your stuff we became good friends worked together and like flew out and did a and i did oh i'm so sorry that was a big thing on this thing i did ah live from ruinin's podcast with my two colleagues conor john and then carlton gover carlton gober has another podcast on the network called planes archaeology plane totherpology
00:23:25
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planes archaeology podcast there you go ah he indigenous he does pawi oral tradition history and archaeology and we did a life in ruins together where we interviewed different researchers and grad students about their work and what they do and i met donny dust we through that we did a podcast with him he was always like ahead of me in terms of like numbers and growth and like just knew how to do this stuff but he's always been a good mentor and like helping me grow with that and like him and i have been like dude how do you deal with this and he was like i don't know here's what i do and through that i also met a tori mazzza the guy who does all my artwork
00:23:58
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and i had him do quite a bit of my art because i found him when i first started i started posting like paleoart because i really liked different people that painted prehistory you know and i would reach out to the artists and be like i love this picture can i use it for a post and they were like hell yeah and i grew a network with that through different artists and i linked them up and that's how i met a tori and through a tory who does all my artwork and did the artwork for this podcast too he was like do you know stefhan milo because he did stepefan's artwork and i
00:24:30
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reached out to stefan and was like hey i love your shit because is what i've been trying to do and he was like your stuff's great too let's link up but we did a video together and here we are stefan's still a good friend i just did a podcast with him my other podcasts but see i think i in twenty nine minutes i think that's a full episode i would love to talk more but i'm goingnna have to cut that here are there any last questions i can answer here hello rusty bones you're killing it david thank you lydia lydia dora shoutout dude she's a big fan
Closing and Future Content
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has bought some merch you can get my merch on my website davidandhow dot com not to just sling you as a you model but david how dot com slash store you can get my like the the dog logo stuff the hats hoodies whatever you want artwork yeah yeah thank you lydia for being a big supporter she's very helpful that supportive and you guys can also be supportive if you like and subscribe to this podcast i'd love that on spotify itunes and here on youtube so on what is today ah twenty fourth that i'm recording this the podcast comes out the twenty eighth on saturday so on the twenty eighth
00:25:36
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go to spotify you go to apple click subscribe and you'll get the podcast every week or want to listen to it ad free do it on the podcast if you want to watch the video component with a few ads you can watch it here on instagram out youtube and i'll do these live streams here on instagram when i'm doing like ones like this where like i can take questions and stuff from the audience heard you were considering a setup course yes i'm setting up a course on a dog anthropology but i'll do yeah and throw on a one course too like as soon as i can i'm working on that right now i promise like that's something in the background it's got to get these episodes out
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she's australian i say that because it's fun talking to her because i laugh at a lot of the stuff and she laughs at my shit so i'll have her on she does like classical dog stuff that'll be really fun to talk about and yeah like and subscribe thank you thank you to the archaeology podcast network thank you rachel thank you chris thank you tristan and that's it thank you this episode was produced by chris webster from his ah rv traveling the united states tristan boyle in scotland dig tech lsc cultureur media and the archaeology podcast network and was edited by rachel roden this has been a presentation of the archaeology podcast network
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