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TSP Ep 153 Part 1: Tomorrow, Tomorrow, I'll Love ya Tomorrow if You'll Still be Underage Annie or How to Keep the Love (for Filmmaking) Going!
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In this episode, Tom and Steve are joined by Alex in this first part of episode 153. They ponder if Hollywood actors are too beautiful and if the hate behind Nolan's newest film, The Odyssey, is a pysop!
So come along with us as we learn a thing or two!
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All right.
Introduction and Episode Overview
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Welcome, everyone, to ah Twin Shadows Podcast. This is episode... Well, I don't know what number it is, if this is accurate or not. It should be like 153. I put 153 on there, but I think the file's 152. I don't know.
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ah that I titled this episode, Tomorrow, Tomorrow. I'll love you tomorrow if you're underage, Annie. All right. wait This episode, we're talking about Annie Hall, upcoming films, recent releases, Grindhouse, ah Odyssey, and why we love filmmaking.
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So stay tuned for that.
Guest Host Introduction and Podcast Timing
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And we have a a special guest host joining us tonight. And that guest host is Alex Duarte. Come on, buddy. How's going? What's up, man? How's it going? we We are meeting on a late Friday night. We'll be podcasting into the early Saturday morning, probably. Steven?
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I think this is going to be our new normal again. Yeah. We're going back into the night owl how old The late hours. yeah The after hours.
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Hanging out with Tom and Steve. That's something, ah that's a situation a woman doesn't want to end up in, huh? No. After hours with us too. Kind of like Woody Allen in...
Discussion on Woody Allen and Criterion Movie List
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underage girls yeah you know i'm always lurking in dark alleys but no one ever comes down on well yeah they see you sticking out buddy i'm trying to stick hide behind a pole but you know there's no poles wide enough for me so damn tall they're like i see your head i'm tall and wide what can i say all right keep those six inches away um
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So how's everybody doing, Alex? How are you doing? Good. I'm tired. Yeah, you're looking super sleepy. You know, it's funny. Alex was wide awake and then he saw Annie Hall.
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He got real tired real quick. Yeah. I mean, i do think the movie is a little exhausting. Oh, yeah, dude. Woody Allen's exhausting. It's because ah I remember that. thinking just, damn, it's just exhausting. Just the how rapid the pace is. It actually made me feel a little bit better about Dickhead and the editing.
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Because I was like, well... he's even He's like, you could probably watch that movie like on 0.5 speed. And he would still feel long or feel still feel really short.
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um But yeah yeah yeah, today we're going to be talking about a bunch of things. We've got a bunch of topics to discuss. And we finally got back into the Criterion list yeah with Annie Hall, which is number 47. thought it 49. It's 48. Yeah.
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i thought i was forty nine it's forty eight Okay, you're thinking the number 47, which will be the next film. Yeah, next film will be 47. And that's how math goes, right? You go 47, 48, 49. forty seven forty eight forty nine That's how Trump does his math. oh He goes, one, two, three. One, two, three. it's too old for me. Okay, I'll stop with the pedophilia jokes, but probably not. um Because fuck those guys.
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ah Yeah, we'll have to talk about that once we get to the... yeah Annie Hall segment. Yeah. Okay, so ah we're going to kick it off with talking about new releases because i was kind of going through the movies that were coming out this year and I was like, damn, there's actually quite a bit of films that are look interesting and um just films that have already come out this year where I'm like feeling a little bit more optimistic or maybe I've just kind of just I've been dragged down and beaten into submission for...
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Just the new way of things. I don't know. Maybe it took me a while to come around. but Come around to
Cinema Experiences and Film Trends
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work what? do you mean? Like just tell, you know, the new. like Like being excited for something new? Yeah. And also just trying to think how to word this. ah as so Like the new Super Mario movie. like I don't think it was a fantastic film by any means, but I didn't hate it. Talk about another movie that never stopped. Did you see it?
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i No, I haven't seen it yet I took the girls to see it. That was their first movie. Oh, really? Oh, that's cool. How'd they do? Well, it was only us. Okay, that's nice. So that was not really nice. um But my oldest, she was throwing a tantrum.
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And it was like, fuck... And it was like, okay, well, at least the movie theater is empty so we don't have to worry about her throwing a tantrum. But it was cool because as soon as the lights dimmed and the picture started, she was just mesmerized. Oh, that's awesome. And she was just mesmerized for like a good hour. Yeah. Into the movie. And then after that, she started getting an antsy. Yeah. Yeah.
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But still they were like super good. Because I was kind of like… I mean they're really young. You know we had ah we put on the little headphone things. so Oh that's good. We never did that for Zoe. We probably should have though.
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I think i think her first her first movie was Godzilla. And I think it was… How old was she? fucking camera member yeah with uh brian cranston yeah uh that was like yeah she was probably like one she's like shit i'm fucking dead i'm fucking dead Maybe she did. You know what? Hey, man, you raised her right. Yeah, she can still hear.
00:05:33
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She can still hear. I mean, you you have to repeat it like six times, but. What was that father? All I hear is buh, buh, buh, buh. I still hear him roaring in my dreams.
00:05:47
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Yeah. shit He wasn't even in the movie long enough to make an and impact. I know. That movie sucked so much. That was such lot. You know, the saddest thing is as ah the other movies were so bad. It makes you appreciate that one a little more, right? like Yeah. dude Like God's Will vs. Kong. and i never watched any of the other ones. Oh, man. But I assumed I wasn't missing out on much. But that kind of gets into the point that I was talking about. ah Like, the schlock is a little bit better, maybe.
Upcoming Films and Horror Genre Excitement
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Or maybe it's just like... ah we're just neat We just need more like popcorn entertainment just because of how shitty the world is. I don't know. But I saw that Street Fighter trailer and I was like, all right, let's fucking go. I'll watch that. I could see the escapism being more. Okay.
00:06:36
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I could see that. school More important now. cause dude But you know this sucks because like when 9-11 happened, that was like the worst era for movies because they were all the stupid American Pie um scary movie knockoffs.
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You know how they would have like all the straight-to-DVD scary movie kind of knockoff films? Yeah, none other teen movies that all those. shit I watched all of them. Oh, yeah. I like them. i like them. And they were so fucking bad. like Looking back on it now, I was like, yeah, that was a terrible time for – For movies. But you know at the time 9-11 happened. Everyone's getting murdered in Iraq. It's like fuck I don't want to watch.
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I don't know anything. to I don't want to see Come and See or something. You know. Yeah. You just wanted to kind of be dumb and numb. And maybe we're Dumb and numb. Yeah. Maybe we're kind of getting into another era like that. But it doesn't feel like it. oh Hopefully. With the films slated.
00:07:34
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Yeah. I was going to say it'd be a little bit more. mean shit's just starting right. Sophisticated or something. Well, you know, like, fuck, it was like, how bad is Trump going to be on the second go around? And then like Epstein. And it's like, well, it's not going worse than Epstein, right? And then Iran is like, hey, it's not going to get worse than Iran. And now it's like, he's in China. He's like, fuck Taiwan. It's like, you know, it's not going worse than that, right?
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Yeah. And then you hear like the Republicans are gerrymandering like crazy. Like, hey, it's not going to get worse than ah taking out all the black voters, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, existentially, and not only that, shit's getting bad it's just hard to fucking survive, it seems.
00:08:18
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Oh, yeah, man, I can't. Shit, I'm using that credit card like crazy right now didn just to get groceries and shit. Yeah, groceries and gas and travel. and Yeah, it's like, well, why aren't you doing stuff? I'm like, dude, it's like $200 to leave the house. You got to pay a fucking bill just to leave the house. Well, when we go to the movies, it's easily like 50 bucks.
00:08:41
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Oh, yeah. For the movies. Yeah. Especially if you're you're going with the kids. I mean well they're too little. I'm sure you're not buying them a ton of snacks. Yeah. I mean they just munch off of our stuff. But like still $50 just to go to the movies. And I was like fuck. And then that's when you get out of movies maybe you want to go out and eat.
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I think when we went to see Super Mario we ended up just spending a hundred bucks. Just easy that little event. Because then we went out to get something to eat and… At that point, it was $100. I'm like, fuck.
00:09:11
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Yeah. Now i'm I'm just like, well, I could just get some, like, a bucket of popcorn at the store, you know, and just watch it at the house. It'll be interesting to see how... Also, COVID made me agoraphobic, man. It's just like... Yeah, it's crazy. And then COVID, right? we Now we have the Hantavirus looming, and it's like, I don't even know what that shit is, but it's not so good.
00:09:32
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yeah Yeah, I know. i was like, well, shit. if Trump ain't going to get you haunted. Just don't eat any rat shit. So, Alex, are there any like movies you're looking forward to? Like maybe ah scary movies since you're the expert in horror films?
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Yeah. It had to be you. It had to be you. yeah do be you I wouldn't call me an expert. um I'm trying to think of what trailers have I seen. mean, The Mummy. Is it called The Mummy? Yeah, Lee Cronin's Mummy. I would like to see that. That seemed interesting. I think that's being released on digital this week or next week. And that's supposed to be in the Evil Dead universe. But it's not attached to it. Yeah, I had no idea. He lost the Evil Dead.
00:10:29
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He was supposed to make the next one. And then I guess he was dropped from it. whatever reason. Oh, well, that's a bummer because I think I would have rather him do it. Well, yeah, he was pissed. So he's like, to make this movie and be like, well, it's in your universe. Yeah. Hell yeah. I like that. I respect that. Yeah. So it's like. Because I got to say, now that you mentioned Evil Dead, I saw the trailer for that Evil Dead Burns. I think or something. Evil Dead Burn. Yeah, whatever called. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't know. The trailer is kind of weird. I don't. There's something about it.
00:11:04
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um I don't know if you guys are familiar with the director because I'm not. and i was kind of It's usually like a new one, right? Yeah. Oh, that's a movie I'm interested don't remember. I haven't looked into it, Tim. I haven't seen Evil Dead Rise either.
00:11:17
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Well, you know, I'll say this about the Evil Dead. And this is like a hot take. The Evil Dead franchise might be like the best franchise for sequels. Because all of the Evil Dead films...
00:11:32
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They might not be like masterpieces, but they're also like super solid. Yeah. Like the last Evil Dead film was pretty damn solid, I think. Yeah, I enjoyed it. And then the reboot with the cabin.
00:11:44
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That was pretty damn solid too. I mean, I was like, yeah, dig it. I feel like that one's going to be the best out of the three newer ones for sure. That's going to be my... I really liked the last one. and Over The apartment one? The apartment. because ah the Yeah, the cabin one was fed at Alvarez. Yeah. But I know he didn't do the apartment one.
00:12:05
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And then… was chick. And then, of course, Army of Darkness was like… That's my favorite one. How cool would that be if they did… I don't know. Like another Army of Darkness. Well, dude… army of I mean, that's Ash, right? That's what established Ash. That's kind the is… like army of they ah People were like, oh, Evil Dead 2, it's kind of like a Bugs Bunny thing. And then they were like, Bugs Bunny? The Army of Darkness is essentially a Looney Tunes One of your questions is what movie gets better the more you watch it? That's fucking Army of Darkness. I watched it last Halloween just high as shit on YouTube because it's for free on there. And I was just in bed watching it. And I was like, I fucking love this movie. It's so good. like I think it should be. It's like such a good Halloween movie. yeah It's like...
00:12:53
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One of my favorite movies to watch for Halloween. It's a great… It's one of my favorite movies in general. fucking love it. It just pours on the cheese and it does not apologize for one second. It just lays it to as hard as they can fucking And I mean, you know, that's why I broke my heart with Bruce Campbell. Speaking of real life, Sucky, right? Yeah. Always cancer. Yeah.
00:13:15
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Just that it can be treated, but it's incurable. What the fuck? Which is why I hope that they kind of close it all with him somehow. I don't know. If he's going to be involved somehow, has got to be involved somehow. he said he doesn't like doing it because it's just so...
00:13:32
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ah It's so taxing on him because he hates getting covered in the blood and shit like that. It's such a physical role. and Really demanding. Yeah. So he said he was it was tough for him. We need like we need ah new like physical actors. I feel like okay actors, like yeah it's all like this fucking precision ah over choreographed movement.
00:13:54
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Yeah, well, I mean, still, like, just for just, like, the respect, the honor of it. I'm not saying have him do the whole fucking film. Oh, yeah, yeah. Just, like, blow him up at the end or something. I don't know, you know, like, or have something where he kills some... Respect Blow him up! Yeah. I mean respectfully I feel like that's the evil dead way for him to go out. I feel like the setting got changed.
00:14:21
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Sounds good to me. But back to what was saying. like I feel like sorry it would be nice to have Bruce Campbell have like you know like ah just a good send off. Well they had the TV show and I never finished it. so I didn't either and I heard it got much better as it went a along. Because it did from what we saw. Because we were watching it together. yeah yeah yeah We saw the end of the second season. First season. I never seen the second one.
00:14:42
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Oh, we never even watched the second? I thought... Oh, shit. Because there was three seasons, right? Yeah, I think... the i I would say the first season is the best. Oh, wow. Fuck. But I don't know. Because I think they were... They had like a lot more pressure in the third season. Because...
00:14:57
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I don't know. It kind of seemed like they were planning on going further than three seasons. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was kind of a surprise, right? When it got canceled. Yeah. And then they were struggling. I don't know if it was like ratings or whatever. But they it kind of seemed like they were like, okay, we got to wrap this up.
00:15:14
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well the the thing that that i would want to point out is evil dead it was is a bit like the halloween franchise whereas the fans are only really there for that that character like when everyone when they were like oh we want to do this like anthology thing like michael myers is dead and gone like let's true do like a different kind of halloween story uh for and make this like an anthology series and everyone's like where's Michael Myers we don't want to watch Tom Atkins run around and sing candy cane or candy bar or whatever that's how I feel um and I feel like Evil Dead was so it's so Ash centric and then these last two films have kind of broken away from him being yeah in them at all but then which all shows you that the this fan the franchise still works but I'll say it does feel lacking
00:16:02
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yeah Without Ash. It just does, dude. To be fair, I didn't even watch them. I watched the 2013 Evil Dead. You should watch the apartment one, dude. It's pretty damn good. it It is good and it's cool to see it in like a different setting.
00:16:18
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That's the part that I also enjoy because you're so used to the whole... Oh, like the the Woods. With the exception of but yeah, like Cabin in the Woods, you actually get to see it break out into the city.
00:16:29
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Well, that's kind of a thing. And and's um then it's like different than the Necronomicon. It's a hard... Or the Deadites. Yeah. The setup is hard because you have to... like and when you're They're trapped in the woods, right? And then even in the movie, they're trapped by the even the bridge being destroyed by the curse and the demons or whatever. And...
00:16:51
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And I was like, well, i know and i've I haven't seen it, but I read that they have a clever way of keeping them trapped in the apartment. They do. And that's like, right, you have to be like super clever on how you trap these people with the demons. Because it's like, now we're out. Like, oops, sorry, read the book, but we're out of here.
00:17:08
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Well, I think the biggest issue is you don't have Sam Raimi doing these. And Sam Raimi has a certain level of camp where he's winking at the audience. you know yeah He's having fun. yeah And then, of course, I mean, you just can't replace Bruce Campbell, dude. like It's like replacing Harrison Ford for Han Solo. It's just, you can't.
00:17:26
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Yeah. There's no one else who's going to be Ash or Ash-like. There's just... Well, that's kind of... that's To me, that's the surprising thing. That's when you got to let it die. I get the Bruce Campbell thing of him not playing Ash in all of these, but I was actually... i'm really surprised that Sam hasn't directed any of the new ones.
00:17:47
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Just, you know, and like, I feel like it would drive me crazy if that's like your... Is his thing like he doesn't want to do without Bruce Campbell? I don't know if that's it, but honestly, it would... I don't know if you would want to do it only because like, it was such a... ah I don't want to say like a family endeavor, but there was like a close knit of them that did all those evil, that like Evil Dead 1 and 2. And then they kind of got them all back for Army of Darkness where they actually had a little bit of money. and Because I mean like Ted Raimi worked on it, right? Coen Brothers. But not even the Coen. Like they have, ah like they're friends that they like grew up making movies with. Those were like, they they made all those movies together. And like half of them are dead now.
00:18:25
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And so you think it it just feels… For reals? Yeah. That's depressing. That is. It's not Scott Spiegel. But yeah, there's like another one that… i was to say Scott Spiegel's dead?
00:18:37
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I just recognize that thought he is. I recognize that name from Xena and Hercules, right? Yeah, right. Like those guys were… Yeah, they went on to do TV and stuff like that. And Sam went on to do his thing. But it' it's it's it's like… You know, he's... you probably It's like you can't really recapture that magic. And, like, you know, it's like... Yeah. We're all old now, and it would be something different. I mean, Sam, I think... Did you guys... um We're going to talk about the last recent film we watched.
00:19:06
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Oh, there you go. but Yeah, that's one. What I watched was ah Send Help. Wait, hold on. Before we move on... That's a good point. Yeah. New movies. Give me some new movies you guys are excited about. I'll talk about one thing. there were ah this Just this weekend, there are three that are coming out that I'm really curious about. There's that Obsession movie.
00:19:24
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Yeah. Where it's like the Make-A-Wish and you have to... I've just seen the name. I have no idea what it's about. Yeah, it's like, it's like you know, be careful what you wish for. and like your wishes It's like all your wishes get fucked up or twisted in some way. That kind of movie. So it's essentially a monkey paw?
00:19:40
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yeah it's kind of like a monkey paws kind of film. And then there was that Passenger movie, which kind of looks interesting. Passenger. And then Hocum just came What's Passenger and Hocum?
00:19:50
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I haven't seen anything on him, but Passenger is directed by the guy that did ah um Autopsy of Jane Doe. Oh, we like that a lot. I was like, okay, i i just saw i was like I just saw his name, and then i was like, okay, I'm kind of interested just because... We masturbated together to Jane Doe. Well, yeah I mean... And Brian Cox. Oh, yeah. He brought out the Cox. Dude, I like Brian Cox.
00:20:14
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I know you do. um and then Give me more cocks. and then ah It wasn't this weekend, but I think it was last week and Hocum came out. What's Hocum? I know I've seen that. Adam Scott is starring the movie directed by the oddity guy.
00:20:29
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Yeah, because everyone was saying it's like Adam Scott's wonderful in horror films or something. Okay, I think I've seen the trailer. ah Does it look like it's kind of like satire?
00:20:42
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Which one? Holcomb? No. No, none of them do. It's just like a straight up horror? Yes. Yeah, all of them, right? Yeah. And then those are just i those are just the horror films this weekend. And then not only that, I mean, this year, right, you have... What are the big ones? He-Man. I'm kind of interested. to see He-Man? want to see He-Man. I also want to see it.
00:21:01
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Tell me you're gay without saying you're gay. Give me the Ryan Cox. ah He-Man. Like I said, I'm really excited to see Street Fighter. i don't know why. It's probably going to dog shit, but I'm excited to see Street Fighter. They got a lot of UFC fighters. um The Odyssey.
00:21:20
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Dune 3. We're going to talk about The Odyssey.
00:21:26
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Steven Spielberg is doing another sci-fi alien movie that's coming out in like a month. Dude 3 is not by Belle Nouve, right? i feel It is ah It is by him. Oh, I thought he wasn't going to do the third one. No, he is.
00:21:37
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Oh, well, then that would good. They were like, oh, these movies actually made money? You want a million gazillion dollars, Denny? And he's like, man, I'm French. I'm about the art. Yes, do. We'll give you a it' is your own Epstein Island. Okay, okay. It is not about the money, but if I have an island that I can have my Epstein statue in, and I will take it. Explore my Canadian roots. I have to delve into my art.
00:22:01
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Yeah. Into a pretty gross fanny. Of age, of course. In French, not gay. In French of age, which is 14. fourteen Those are just a couple that rattled off. And I think there's ah a few more. i think i I don't think Damon Chazelle's new movie is coming out this year. i think it's coming out early next year. That looks good. the I don't remember what it was, but I was like, this sounds interesting. It's a period film ah in a prison.
00:22:29
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And... I was just reading about it too. Okay. And I was like, I don't want to read too much. I don't remember that. that I'm getting a false memory. Yeah. What about you, Alex? Are there any... Like I said, The Mummy looks interesting. Evil Dead. I'm a little skeptic on it, but... Is that this year or next year? I think that's next year. Evil Dead?
00:22:51
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Because Resident Evil, I'm curious to see the Resident Evil film. Oh, me too, actually. That's a good point. I saw the trailer. Yeah. thought it looked really cool. Oh, look that axis when he's on axis, how loud he sounds. Zach Krager, he hasn't really missed yet.
00:23:07
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i don't i didn't I don't think Barbarian is as good as a lot people. fucking hated Barbarian. don't think a lot of people think it's as good it was. was miss. What are you talking about? It was okay. it like a solid it's ah It's like a solid six. It's a solid four. And then Weapons was good.
00:23:22
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Weapons was good. And I think, I'm hoping his Resident Evil is good. Well, it's not attached to the franchise at all. It's just with the name on it. It takes place during Raccoon City's... So that's how you feel about that. Yeah. Which I think is smart, honestly. It is because think... Resident Evil so ridiculous. And not only that, there's just too much expectation.
00:23:47
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I think if you try to do one of the games... I could do it. Oh, yeah. Resident Evil 1. Hell, yeah. The Mansion. be left B-level actors. Don't open that door.
00:23:59
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Forrest. Steven made $700 theaters. We gave him $102 million. It's a goddamn masterpiece. And he spent it on $2,000 a gram cocaine. um Sneezed it away. But yeah, ah those are just a couple of the films. And I think part of the reason I was kind of i wanted to prompt this as well is because i think the Oscar films for last year were actually pretty good. I didn't hate any. I wasn't like... All the best picture ones. Yeah. I was not like... oh except for Frankenstein. didn't like that movie. Yeah. I liked Frankenstein. I was surprised. Because I heard so much shit on And i was like, dude, this is pretty fucking cool. like
00:24:37
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yeah He's constantly running from this monster that's just hounding him. Like that element of the story that they put in I was like… That's from the book though. Well, yeah, as it should be.
00:24:48
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But I mean, like it really focused on that kind of yeah element of this indestructible monster that's literally just trying to following him no matter where he's going to go. He's not escaping it and, you know, really selling that fact.
00:25:00
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um That would be I was like, dude, that's fucking pretty rad. That would actually be terrifying, like knowing that there's something coming after you and like it's not stopping.
00:25:11
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It's kind of like it follows. I was just thinking about that as I said that. New movie, it follows too. But it's like Indomitable Rex. Shit film, maybe. But kind of like the background story of it's really fucking cool, right? like yeah Imagine telling somebody that.
00:25:27
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You mean Rawhead Rex? Rawhead Rex, not Indomitable. Well, he was Indomitable. was like, Jurassic Park? Yes, Rawhead Rex. I'm sorry. But I was just thinking like imagine telling somebody, yeah, there's this thing coming after me. It's going to kill me. It's unstoppable.
00:25:44
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Yeah, yeah, right. And he's like, just throw me back. It's going to kill all of you. yeah Like I really like that horror element that was developed. was thoroughly impressed with Frank And then you see Jacob and Lordy like… The flowers and the moon. Yeah, i know. Why, Father, did you not make me a woman to bang?
00:26:04
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But even the ending was was sweet, right? Because then they like reconciled the father and the son, and then he's like... Or, you know, he just died, right? Yeah. So I did like Frankenstein a lot, actually. And then it's like, well, what are you going to do now? I'm getting Vegas. Yeah.
00:26:20
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but i'll say I'll say I liked Frankenstein more than um Me, for sure. Oh, no. I liked F1 way more. I was not. i will never see Frankenstein again. I'll also probably never watch F1 again. I was not a fan of... I mean, F1 was fine.
00:26:36
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if one It was just solid fine. I don't know if it has like... A solid 7. that much replay value. I don't know if I would watch it. like Which one? F1. I'd probably watch ah Frankenstein more than F1.
00:26:52
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But it was like this I like the cinematography. I like the sound. It's really good for F1. Oh yeah yeah. The sound. And the cinematography. It just reminded me of those movies I loved as a kid. Like Karate Kid. No that was Marty Supreme was Karate Kid.
00:27:12
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Wow. It's totally 80s, dude. You think? Oh, yeah, man. That's totally an 80s film. He goes to the grand tournament at the end and then succeeds in his own little way. yeah and then you even have all the 80s beats.
00:27:25
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Yeah, I guess that's true. That was so 80s inspired. And then, course, the music, right? Yeah, I know. And it's like, this takes place in the 20s or 30s. Yeah, Marty Supreme was like a legit 80s nostalgia film.
00:27:37
Speaker
Speaking of Marty Supreme… Are actors too beautiful today? You know, this is something I wanted. i i Because we were what we were talking about Annie Hall later. And I was watching Annie Hall and i was like, wow, these people are like, everyone's gorgeous, but they're also very natural feeling. And then I was ah to bring up some news. Maybe that's the difference. They're natural. The Sydney Sweeney like controversies of like and that new show where she's doing all the OnlyFans stuff. for it Have you seen those clips?
00:28:06
Speaker
I've seen them because i you know, I've seen them. yeah And ah it's like, dude, this is... don't know. It's kind of gross. It's like, why are you treating her like this? I don't know. Treating her? i Yeah, because it's like completely objectifying her. oh And... Yeah.
00:28:21
Speaker
You know, at this piece of meat. And... in this I don't feel like it's done to a greater context. It's just ah it feels disingenuine. Well, you're just watching the clips. Yeah, the the clips feel perverse. like i don't i've I've heard about Euphoria.
00:28:37
Speaker
I don't think the showrunner is deep enough to hit those tracks. You think it's like sexual for sexual sake and not for like telling a good story? Yeah. Kind of deal? Yeah. Like the boys like what the boys is trying to do with their shit in Marvel films.
00:28:54
Speaker
It's like you guys lost it a long time ago. Yeah, you you ah you became what you hated, right? um But what I mean is I was watching those clips and I was just like, dude, there's like there's not a line on her face, right? like Everything is like smooth and perfect. and like it It looks like she's... i mean And then you see like a regular picture of her and it's like she looks like a normal person. But everyone is so touched up and... Everyone softened a bit. And it's like, fuck dude. It's like, people... It's like everybody, right? kind of the thing that sucks about, I guess, like... ah I don't know. Like newer filmmaking or maybe just Hollywood productions where they... Everybody has to look like perfectly polished.
00:29:35
Speaker
I can't remember what movie I was talking to somebody about. But I was saying that that's what bothered me. And this wasn't even a new movie. But it was just a really shitty movie where they only picked...
00:29:46
Speaker
ah actors that all look like models. They're all just like buff, you know, buff dudes. Man, I wish I could remember what it was. And the chicks were all just giant, titty fucking, you know, I was like, i was like there's no, i was like, no group of friends are going to look like that, one. I wish my group of friends looked like that. Jesus Christ, I got to look at you guys all fucking day. And then two, money even even if it is, I'll work it back. Bring the bag out. I'll put it on. So was like, man, I just wish I had some hot friends to look at shit. But see, that's what I'm getting at is also even if they were like an, a ah let's say, attractive crew or whatever, it's it's not going to be like that.
00:30:26
Speaker
You know i mean? They look too polished. Oh, yeah. where It's not believable. I see myself in the mirror every day. You know? No. I think also part of it, too, is just. like People have just have a better understanding of health and that kind of science. But ah the other thing too is like there's – it's like your people are just going to cast the more better-looking people. And and the working like the working class actors just – No, I think you touched on it when you said artificiality. Yeah. I think there's an artificiality to the actors now because I wrote, I think they're uglier today.
00:31:04
Speaker
And I put D-E-I lets in the uggos. Because there's so many like side actors, not the lead, but side actors that are fucking ugly as shit. It's like, why is this person on?
00:31:16
Speaker
They're ugly as fuck. I think it's the opposite. No, I think because like back in the day you would see like This character that was ugly that they dressed down and then you see them glammed up and it's like, oh, damn.
00:31:28
Speaker
That actor looks hot. like I think back in the day, they were actually much better looking. But I think now we've kind of come to a point where it's just so artificial where it's like the perfect teeth with the veneers, the six-pack, like you were saying, super buff with the big tits. Like, there's just been- Super buff with big tits. Yeah. That's what I want, Yeah, they are super buff with big tits. Yeah. Or, you know, like the super buff guys are like super big tits. Like there's just so much artificialness well put into these actors where they're getting like Botox, right? Where you don't see any wrinkle.
00:32:02
Speaker
So then that's all being – ah so pushed. Yeah. Where it's like, they're not necessarily better looking today. It's just that they have all this science, like you said, that's able to make them look uncanny valley.
00:32:18
Speaker
Good. Yeah. It's, it's like watching fucking people. because I mean, look at Warren Beatty, dude. I mean, who's as handsome as him and today?
00:32:29
Speaker
Well, Glenn Powell, maybe? was going to say... And he ain't no Warren Beatty. was thinking... You know, funny you mentioned that because Glenn Powell ran through my head. It was like Glenn Powell and Sidney Sweetie. Yeah, he's number Because they also have weird... That movie together. Zendaya Robert Pattinson. Yeah.
00:32:44
Speaker
And it's like, dude, like... and And that's why I really appreciated Send Help and Rachel McAdams because it was like, they just let her be whatever. Like her hair's all fucked up and she looks like a mess. and But also Rachel McAdams is an older actress by now, right? like Yeah.
00:32:59
Speaker
It's kind of like the newer actors that are coming out where, are that like Jacob Elordi, I've never heard of him before. And women are like, he's so gorgeous. Oh, yeah. He's sexy. We're just talking about Frankenstein. Frankenstein's monster is a fucking... like he I'm going to... you know i see he we He started modeling. He could be on the runway, right? On cans. He'd be like, ugh. Strike a pose. That's why women love that movie. It's because it was like, oh, he's so tormented. And it's like, no, girl. You're just fucking thirsting over the monster. Yeah. like It's okay that you do that. well I'm not saying it's a wrong thing. All I'm saying is it just feels like that is like...
00:33:34
Speaker
I don't think… yeah i' got to He's got a very sharp face. Yeah, he's weird looking. i don't yeah i don't know I don't even know who he is. i feel like if you walk past him, me you'd be cut. like I don't know. like He looks like razor sharp.
00:33:46
Speaker
Yeah, i don't I don't think it's that they're getting better looking. I just think there's that artificial… Aspect to it that's driven by science that can fill in wrinkles with Botox and shit. Like look at Diane Keaton and what we're going to about with Annie Hall.
00:34:02
Speaker
Gorgeous. But you know, you see her wrinkles. But that adds to the gorgeousness of her too. So what I, I don't know, like wouldn't you feel as an audience more, obviously more ah attached To these characters.
00:34:17
Speaker
If they were like… You can relate to them. Right? Oh absolutely. So it's kind of like… You know what I think about… That's why I like Steve Buscemi. Yeah. But I mean look at look at Marvel films. Right? Because because like… but It may be Marvel's to blame.
00:34:31
Speaker
And I'll finish that thought after you finish your thought. I'm sorry for cutting it off. No. I was going to actually kind of like ah go to music. Like so… I mean… I don't know how often you guys listen to like rap music. but you know like I enjoy listening to rap music. Do you think Tom listens to rap music? Yeah, I mean, you can never know, He's like, whoa, whoa, what the fuck? I'm just sitting there. I like the way you work. I mean, this might be... That's not even rap. No.
00:35:05
Speaker
So this is what one one thing that I think might be… i don't know. Maybe this might be too different. ah But we'll we'll see. ah Like you know some rap artists… Like they think the way of like getting to their audience is bragging about their chains, their money, their cars, all that fucking lame bullshit.
00:35:25
Speaker
Which is not like the shit that I like to listen to. But you know… It's kind of the same thing. It's like if I'm watching a film, I want to be able relate to it. Just like the rap music. Like ah like there's rap music where they sing about struggles and like the bills. Just like what we were talking about earlier. Same thing with the movies.
00:35:41
Speaker
i wanted to I want to relate to it. I don't want to see a bunch of fucking, you know, supermodels trying to pretend like they're regular people. like Well, you're pretty handsome, buddy. You ain't on our level. it didn't No, but... We're the sewer. You're like on the street level. we like Can you send some balloons down here so we can float? You bring a girl around us. She's going to be like, Alex, I want to go home. Okay. You ever watch it? You ever watch it? I don't want to head home. Here's like a perfect example is like Joaquin Phoenix.
00:36:16
Speaker
Like, oh yeah, he ugly as fuck.
00:36:21
Speaker
Ain't no one relatable to him. Like, you know. You're so mean. I mean. Good actor. You know, yeah. Not typically the most handsome guy.
00:36:32
Speaker
But, you know, I mean, what what is it that you want from him? His performance is great. Usually. yeah you none Oh, yeah. I don't know. Always. I don't know if I ever see a… I think, well, the reason I want i wanted to bring it up too is… There's like character in your face.
00:36:52
Speaker
And faces are expressive and where you you read faces and you feel emotion from faces. But these like over artificially like manufactured people just – it's like they they're like – it's like walking fucking Stepard wives. Like they have no emotion in their faces.
00:37:09
Speaker
Or just maybe their acting ability. I don't know. I think it's a combination of both of them. I think you make a good point. Like what Alex was saying. There's just, they're not real people. Yes. So they don't know how to, even if, and it's not even, even if they're not that good looking, like they're just, they don't know how to act like a real person because they're not with, you know, what you know what sucks too, is it like coming from their end too, they probably feel like that's what they need to be. absolutely. And the sad thing is they need somebody to tell them like, no,
00:37:39
Speaker
You can be yourself, be fucking a regular person and just be... You can be Woody Allen. and Be Woody Allen. Be weird. Be weird. Be a character.
00:37:50
Speaker
yeah because If I was a director, I would say I need characters. I don't need models. Yeah. you know You know, because last weekend I was watching Good Time, which has um Robert Pattinson. And he's supposed to be like this like slummy kind of guy. And I'm like, he's like the most handsome person in the fucking world. just it's like Yeah, I know, right? Fuck, I wish I looked like that. And it's like, yeah and you know, he's supposed to, ah he's it's like the girl's like, that's not going to look good in your hair when he dyes his hair. And then he walks out and it's like, what?
00:38:19
Speaker
fuck it's like he walked up the fucking runway or something dude um yeah and it's like it's not his fault for being super attractive and handsome but it's just like you can't pull you can't pull off a role like that it's like when rachel lee cook did uh she's all that okay you guys remember that movie from the 90s yes and it's like she's like the she's supposed to be this frumpy nerdy girl and it's like dude that's rachel lee cook she's hot as fuck i'm like it's You know what's hilarious is my mom used to watch, and it would this was like a like crazier version of She's All That. as ah You've heard of the novellas, right? The Spanish soap operas. yeah
00:38:57
Speaker
And they did the same thing. And this was after She's All That. I don't know if they took the... ah the like it wasn't I don't know. i doubt it was inspired by it but i thought it was fucking hilarious because they had the nerdy girl and she was... it would Regardless of how ugly they try to make her look with the stupid little props, she was fucking like gorgeous.
00:39:22
Speaker
Giant. I mean, you know the typical, stereotypical gorgeous, whatever. Yeah. But I was like... Then, like yeah, she has the same thing. She has a makeover and shit. She's like... It's like, dude, we already knew. You know, we already fucking knew. You didn't have to change goddamn thing. That's not how makeovers work. But you know what the sad thing is? I wanted a makeover. Oh my God, she's a 10. I wear glasses. But then the other thing too is I was like, damn, like how sad is it that they're just like, you know, they're saying glasses and fucking braces and the way you do your hair, it makes you ugly. The people treat her like shit. They spit on her and stuff. They spit on her. Jesus Christ.
00:40:01
Speaker
Oh, Mijal so ugly. Well, you know what? I think Marvel is a big one to blame. because Have you seen like where they show ah Hugh Jackman as Wolverine and X-Men?
00:40:17
Speaker
The first one versus Hugh Jackman in like The Wolverine. yeah And he's like, you know, he's fit. yeah and x The first X-Men. But then in like the last one, he's like all completely ripped, dehydrated, yeah yoked out. you know You just see the fucking veins in all his muscles. He's doing 900 push-ups before they call action. yeah it is like you ready, Hugh? He's like injecting steroids right before the shot. oh Let's go, motherfucker. Yeah, and they're selling this this image, right? I think Marvel's probably a big pusher of...
00:40:51
Speaker
i've did ah' seen I've seen ah some talk show interviews where he's talking about like his his whole workout and his diet, how extreme it was. Like, I mean that nobody's doing that.
00:41:05
Speaker
yeah no Not even like the fucking young handsome dude in college is doing that. because like That's some pretty strict ah dieting and workouts. He's looks maxing. yeah He's looks maxing. Looks maxing? You hear about that?
00:41:19
Speaker
No, I've never heard of that. I don't really know what it is, but I think it's when your looks are maxed. I don't think it's that. but for your looks. Or low-maxing. Is that like a phrase that the kids are using nowadays? Yeah, for real. Looks-maxing? You haven't heard of like calvacular? Calvacular? Clavicle?
00:41:41
Speaker
I think his name's clavicle or... You haven't of this dude? No. He literally hits himself in the face with a ball pin hammer, I think. Okay. To break his capillary structure so that he can get that square look.
00:41:56
Speaker
Wow. And he was doing meth to lose weight. Oh, good for him. He was shooting like so much steroids that he's castrated now. Ah, sounds like... Did get ripped?
00:42:08
Speaker
Sounds like it was all worth He's huge, dude. He's huge. Look this creature up. It's crazy. Watch Channel 5 News. What's his name? Catheter? Yeah. Okay. And that the other thing I wanted to say was, and this will be my last, ah my like and my final thoughts on this, is...
00:42:25
Speaker
You know, when you compare it to like how... Because, you know, Steven's argument is like, you know, no, they they were way more beautiful before. Oh, I'm not saying they were more beautiful. I'm just saying... Well, all actually, yeah, they were. Like, overall, I think. But my argument is... It's like... I... not I'm not necessarily saying... I'm not trying to like say it's... Maybe I am saying it's bad.
00:42:49
Speaker
But it just feels so unnatural. It is bad. And... to Alex's point, right? It's, it's, there's like, you lose this like relatability when it's like, okay, you're watching a film and we could just, uh, literally pick almost like any movie that came out from the past, like two or three years or TV show. Uh, but I'll just hearken on Frankenstein cause we were talking about it where it's like, even like Oscar Isaac, right? It's like, dude, all these people have like perfect, like you said, perfect teeth, perfect this, perfect that.
00:43:20
Speaker
And it's like, whew, like Those flaws add to character. Yeah. And it's like there's something that's kind of... And it's really maybe only mainstream because like the poor folks can't afford to do that kind of shit. It's like George C. Scott is never going to exist again.
00:43:37
Speaker
Yeah. It's like, where are those guys? like want Or John C. Reilly. Woody Allen. Willem Dafoe? Willem Dafoe was good looking dude when he was younger. He's still good looking dude. Willem Dafoe is a real one. They're like the dying the light.
00:43:54
Speaker
still still good looking good looking you know i don the fos a real one and mean and you they but they're like the dying of the that that's like the dying of the light i hope not the generation I hope that be… ah like the you know like History repeats itself. they'll be yeah We got You know well who we do have is Jesse Plemons.
00:44:13
Speaker
Yeah. well I was going to say, the thing about, like, Timothee Chalamet is, like, I'm sure girls find him attractive and stuff. I'm not saying it. But, like, he's not, like, i feel like he's not, like, a typical...
00:44:25
Speaker
you know He's not a typical man. Buff, chiseled, fucking... you know He didn't do his TRT. Yeah, exactly. yeah No, he's not. That's why i didn't like him for Doom. Oh, shit. want to follow this guy to the fucking grave. Even then, though, he...
00:44:41
Speaker
He's just like… Now Robert Pattinson I would follow. to the It's like all these people… like it's I don't mean to say it in like ah in the connotation of like homosexuality. But like it's like they're all these fairies. it's like like ah They're like beautiful beyond like compare. fairies man. Right? It's like fairies right it's like these like walking through like an enchanted forest. Are they like the elvish? There's little Timothee Chame. It's like sprinkling in his fairy dust. Walking through a... Sucking dick through a grapefruit. And it's like, you know, like these people, are like they're not human. We've literally been taken over by the fucking lizard people, dude. All the fa like yeah all the new like the upcoming generations. like Dude, there ain't no ugly people anymore. Yeah.
00:45:29
Speaker
Where the fuck, like, there's no James Caan. Like, where's the James Caan? Where's the hairy guys? No one has hair anymore. Let me put it this way. One of the, like, sexiest men today is Timothee Chalamet.
00:45:42
Speaker
that's i mean That's, I mean, that's kind of the point. No, but that's my point. It's like, is he sexier than Warren Beatty? No.
00:45:52
Speaker
In the 80s, give me Tom Cruise. Yeah. In the 90s, give me Brad Pitt. But even Tom Cruise, you know, used to have like that snaggletooth and he had that like, you know, he wasn't always- Tom Cruise is a good looking dude. No, he's not even good looking, but what I mean is like he's become more- like perfect over the years like he's gotten things fixed I'm air quoting here fixed but yeah you know my biggest complaint is like just no one has body hair anymore and I'm like every day I just look like oh there's a new patch but you know everyone had body hair too like back in the 60s with Sean Connery like that was it so you're just a few decades too late buddy it might it'll come back
00:46:34
Speaker
It'll come back, yeah. It keeps coming back, but they just keep lasering it off. um But yeah, we'll get off of this topic. um you know but You know what's interesting, though, too, is I feel like this is ah more led by male looks.
00:46:50
Speaker
Yes. Because you don't want to do it with the females because then you end up with Sidney Sweeney euphoria shit where it's like, okay, this is sexist. Yeah. But for the men, you can still objectify us, right?
00:47:02
Speaker
Yeah. At least for another good 60 years. Yeah. honest No one's going to really give a shit. My bigger complaint is male actors. I don't... Because of the Marvel films too. And I'm not saying that women today or back then were ugly or better. It's just like I said, it's just the like artificiality of everything. oh like ah Like, right? It's like everyone has like that perfect stubble.
00:47:23
Speaker
Like you can't just fucking grow that. I tried. Like it don't work. It's like it's all patchy and gross. But it's like these people are like everything is like it's like, oh we got to put a guy exactly like this. I think mine's pretty perfect. Yeah.
00:47:36
Speaker
Yeah, it's great.
00:47:40
Speaker
Yeah, buddy. i need another warm warm baby over here. so well be oh how Before we get off the subject, there there is one one actress that I bring up and when I bring it up to girls, sometimes they're like, really, you think she's pretty? Because she's not like your typical a girl from Hereditary. ah No, no.
00:48:11
Speaker
Especially after the S were all over her dead face. Jesus Christ. There was real anger. I'm just kidding. I was going to say Ella Purnell...
00:48:25
Speaker
ah from Fallout she's fucking gorgeous every time I bring her up look the like other girls would just like make fun of her cause they're jealous yeah because they're like we bugeyd women hate women yeah that's true that is a very good truth which is kind of sad there needs to be more camaraderie amongst you women and women hate when people say that oh of course it's like when people i don't know like oh I guess oh fuck I just got cancelled no no you're it's for it's true though is It's absolutely true. like Women are just far more critical of other women. Yeah. Where men are like, well, I wish he had a little bit of back hair, but that's okay, Timothy.
00:49:08
Speaker
and We've just been shitting on men this whole time, though. Yeah. But I guess we don't really give a huh? There's a lot women like Ella Purnell. Right? She's got bug eyes, and there's Alan Taylor-Joy with bug eyes. Bug eyes are kind of the same. Did ugly women? Did you just call Purnell and add a tape?
00:49:26
Speaker
See, that's what I'm saying. I say they're very they very distinct. They're very distinguished. Dude, I would suck the fungus off their toes. Like, come on now. I mean, that's probably gross. I'm sorry. i Obviously, wouldn't. I would respectfully ask if I could suck fungus off their toes. I'd let them shit on me.
00:49:45
Speaker
Yeah. You let them, ah is it called, a what's yeah that wrestler guy? wrestler guy yeah the guy that was like the head of the the wwe that was shitting on people and what vince mcmahon you would have been shitting on people yes what oh my god you heard about this yes uh that's when he got all this trouble because he was like literally taking dumps on his interns wow that was how he got off You know, the Epstein was like, you want to come to my island? He's like, I got shit island over here. You know what, buddy? You you take your girls. you know I got mine. I'll say this without knowing any of the context.
00:50:29
Speaker
I feel bad for those interns. But at some point, when you see a guy squatting over you and you see his butthole puckering as the shit comes out, it's like, dude, that's on you at a certain point. Yeah. Like, you chose to stay there.
00:50:43
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Like, man up. Punch him right in his fucking brown cyclops. Punch that shit back in his asshole. Well, that's why the you know women want the bear instead of the man when that question is posed.
00:50:56
Speaker
Which they're making a movie. You guys they're making a movie? yeah Well, first, do you guys know the the bear, the man bear thing? No. I don't. Oh, I'm more afraid of a bear. I'm more afraid of being with Oh, yes. That thing was fucking hilarious and stupid. Yeah, very stupid. Women were asked, would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear? And then majority of women they would rather be alone with a bear.
00:51:23
Speaker
and I was like, okay. Did you ever see Grizzly Man? I've seen other women comment on that and say, are you guys fucking stupid? Like, they're like, I'd rather take the risk of... But then it's sad to hear that too. I'd rather take the risk of being with the man. It's like... why When did we become fucking ah yeah apex predators? i mean it always you You know men are pretty bad. There ain't no defending men, buddy.
00:51:50
Speaker
there ain' no defending mary but There ain't no bullshit pretty bad but we're not goingnna fucking We're not bears. oh well even i don't know there's only like one it's truly innocent man that i know and he's my intern at work and i'm like God, you gotta stay away from me. yeah we're We're pretty bad as men. But I will say this, we do not have bare strength.
00:52:13
Speaker
No. But I'm definitely stronger than a woman. Yeah. I've never seen a girl that could take me. I will say it's questionable for me. There's quite few women who could kick my ass. Well, dude. that i'm talking We're talking life or death in the woods here. Bro, that's so stupid. That's so fucking stupid. Yeah, I still don't want to fight ah some women, dude. They still hurt me. they would hurt you. But in the end, would I be rather be with a bear or a woman?
00:52:44
Speaker
Oh, no, it's always... it's either the opposite. No, 0% picked bear. Okay. okay I'll take the woman. How about this? I'll take the woman. Okay, would you rather be the woods alone with Rosie O'Donnell or a bear?
00:52:56
Speaker
I'll take the bear. Or was going to say... I'm like, these pictures are the same. Which one's the bear? I don't know. I love... ah You know, hey I could hang out with Rosie O'Donnell.
00:53:08
Speaker
Yeah, she wants to hang out with you, buddy. Don't worry. She's lesbian. Right? Yeah. Yeah. i mean, she still wants to hang out with me, but that has nothing, no bearing on her. Her lesbianality.
00:53:22
Speaker
I'm sorry. Her sapphic romance ends when she's alone with me in the woods. Maybe you could try. Rosie, we gotta repopulate. I'm 72 years old. My fucking hips.
00:53:35
Speaker
Yeah. You can suck up my titties just like a woman's. Yeah, they are. Just hairier. Ugh. See, this is why. It curls all the way down, ladies. I'll curl your toes with my curly toe hair.
00:53:53
Speaker
All right, Alex. Go get your beer. And give me one. You want one? Yeah. Steven, you want one? No, I still got one. I'm good. okay I think Tom's got one on the freezer. All right. So, buddy, was the last new movie you watched? Well, you mentioned some interesting ones. I saw that War Machine one on ah Netflix. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. With Alan Reacher. Speaking of beautiful men, Alan Richardson is like all right not a normal human being. No, he's not.
00:54:19
Speaker
You know, it used to be we only had Arnold. And like sly a little bit, but he's pretty retarded. so's like Are you talking about but ah Mr. Mount Olympia? like Yeah. just Like he won like seven times in a row? Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:35
Speaker
Those two don't compete. Dude, Arnold won. But what I'm saying is, but but now it's like you have... like That's like the run-of-the-mill man. like Even like Chris Evans, like right he's he gets bulked up. and ah well chris i Chris Hemsworth, I think. is a Chris Hemsworth.
00:54:54
Speaker
ah But Alan Richardson in that film, um it's like he's he is built like a tank Yeah, he is. He looks ridiculous, kind of. Because he's so large. Yeah. so It's like, how do you fit through a door?
00:55:07
Speaker
Like, do you got to turn sideways? What's his face? um um Witcher. ah Oh, Henry Cavill. Henry Cavill. Highlander? movie coming out? I fucking love Highlander.
00:55:19
Speaker
I like Henry Cavill though. He's a nerd, right? It's not that I don't like these people. That's not my argument. No, I think it is. Alan... What's the war machine guy? Alan Richardson. Alan Richardson.
00:55:30
Speaker
I think Tom wants to fight you. I'll fight him for the podcast. I think you can take Well, had that video where he beat the shit out of his neighbor. His neighbor was a bitch. I could take him. Where he from?
00:55:44
Speaker
Reacher. Oh, You guys like it? No, I don't. I haven't seen it. I don't really watch a lot of TV. I heard it was really good. I just rewatch episodes of Twilight of twilight Zone, Tales from the Crypt, and Simpsons. Look, I have a good buddy of mine.
00:55:59
Speaker
Oh, you didn't get me anything? yeah No, I know, but i you know. Oh, you're like fucking... No, don't want anything, Where's the thing you should have got me?
00:56:11
Speaker
Anyway. I don't want anything to eat, but I'll just have a couple of fries. I don't, dude. I fucking ate that. He's like, that's all my fries. but no, Alan Richardson. Can you get the mic? I do respect. I do respect the fact that he beat his neighbor's ass. That's cool.
00:56:27
Speaker
That is pretty cool. But I don't know. they But they fought like bitches, dude. Like, have you ever never seen um that fucking buff guy that was was jasonary with Jason Momoa?
00:56:39
Speaker
They were in that movie where they're brothers. Dave Bautista and him. Dave Bautista. He used to be MMA. Have you ever seen him do MMA? He looks like a dork. Who? Dave Bautista? Do MMA? Yeah, he's oh he fights like a bitch.
00:56:52
Speaker
Ouch. He ain't a pro fighter. I'm sorry. He literally was a pro fighter. Wasn't he? He was. He did like three both fights. I thought he was a fighter before he was an actor. could be No, I think he might have done wrestling.
00:57:05
Speaker
Okay. i think I think that might have been his background was wrestling. But literally, right? That movie is a great example, actually, where they're brothers. i can't I couldn't tell you what was called. They're in Hawaii. They're daddies. Batista, please do not fight me. You will kill me.
00:57:19
Speaker
He's pretty old. I'll fight your sister. Just get his knee and she might kill me. All you gotta do is get one knee, buddy, and he's that he's done. for All he has to get is one knee on me, motherfucker. I'm old, too. he He's completely changed. I think he lost a ton of weight. He did, but he's still pretty big. Well, yeah, guess what? Being 60 and ramping up on the roids and cycling off and like fucking carb cycling and all that shit, guys it's probably not good for you you in your 70s. That's why like Arnold's like, well, you know, just ah let it happen.
00:57:46
Speaker
yeah Yeah, you have to. i You'll fucking die. Yeah. mean, the heart can't take it. Damn. You know, all I got to do is grow a little bit back hair. You know, growing up, I used to think that ah if you worked out enough, you wouldn't have nipples.
00:58:01
Speaker
Because... You fucking retard. If you worked out enough, you wouldn't have nipples? Because I never i always thought Arnold Schwarzenegger never had nipples. Okay, I can what you're saying. When you with your He-Man doll, is that what's going on? No, dude. Does he have nipples in Terminator? It's because his tan is so good. His regular skin is like the same tone as his nipples. There go. There's a strategy to that. It's called ghost nipples. Yeah, don't know if you've... Yeah, you ghosted nipples, bro. Look, I never said I was smart. I never claimed to be anything other than a dumbass. When you go in your tanning booth, you put little pasties on, and then you...
00:58:40
Speaker
you That way you chat everything else. All I'm saying is, du do you guys remember Terminator? Yeah. Do you remember Arnold having nipples in Terminator? I do, but they're hard to see. They're hard to see. Okay. They're just hard to see his nipples, I think.
00:58:53
Speaker
I wasn't really looking for his nipples. What were you looking for? His ass. Well, see they do show his ass. Yeah, there's plenty of that there. you don't got to look hard, man. beefy man ass.
00:59:05
Speaker
That's what I was looking at. You guys were looking at his nipples? you Beefy. I was looking for his nipples. Not at him. I mean, it's a good point. I was trying to fight it Or you know what? That might have been like one like ah really fine detail that they were like, you know what? He's not human. He's got no nipples. Yeah.
00:59:23
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That's how you know it's a robot. What is he supposed to feed? can't milk him. I mean, think about it. Can't milk Arnold. Am I wrong? But does a Ken doll have nipples?
00:59:34
Speaker
No. There you go. Neither does a Barbie. Barbie dolls have nipples Exactly. There you go. Ken dolls also don't got dicks. Not that I know.
00:59:46
Speaker
I don't know that. I never had a Ken doll. No, but I had G.I. Joe's. They didn't have dicks. Yeah. Can you imagine? You would dress your GI Joes? Yeah, you would change their clothes. Oh, yeah. They got to wear a new camouflage today. Well, dude, you snake eyes. He got the black outfit, got the white outfit.
01:00:04
Speaker
It goes from Snake Eyes to Storm Shadow or whatever his name is. Snowpiercer? I don't know. Snowpiercer. All right. So yeah, what was the... ah Let's get back into... What are some ah new movies that you've seen?
01:00:17
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I want to say I watched Set and Help, which I've talked about it a bit. now Which was very good, but I fell asleep at the very end. I felt like it was like 20 minutes too long. That's probably why I fell asleep. um Because ah it was like once...
01:00:31
Speaker
The plot is kind of established. I was loving what I watching. I loved it. My family watched it. They fucking hated it. But when I saw it, because I watched it later on by myself, and I was like, I fucking love this. No, I really didn't like it. There were some parts that I... Yeah, thought I liked the humor. It was good. ah There was one part that was disappointing for me.
01:00:51
Speaker
I'd like to see if you guys know what it is. The hog part. The hog hunting. wi It was... ah like I don't remember that. When when she was she kills the boar? Yeah, when she goes killing to kill the boar, is like that it was God. and To me, it was like shit CGI. I think I was crossfaded, so I don't really remember. It was kind of painful to watch. The CGI did not help the film whatsoever. No. yeah And especially coming from Sam Raimi,
CGI in Films and Director Struggles
01:01:17
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right? Yeah, even like the some of the establishing shots.
01:01:21
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establishing shots There's some establishing shots. was like, dude, just fucking like shoot like the beach for five seconds. It would have been way better. like It was just gross. I don't know.
01:01:33
Speaker
Like when they were zooming out? You're right. When they were zooming out? Huh? Yeah, what they they when they zoomed out, dude, it was like, fuck, And then it was just fake island and shit. Yeah. I will say that did that did stick out like a sword. Something about CG animals just looks so gross to me. yeah CGI i just looks like shit. I think the thing that made it worse was I think they were trying to like, you know, with Sam Raimi's style of like horror and like, you know, strange creatures. I think that's what they were trying to put into the boar. Yeah.
01:02:04
Speaker
But they did it doing it with CGI instead of practical just makes it look very cartoony and unbelievable. yeah You know what I mean? like it just was it would It was like clutching it. Otherwise, if it's like it was a ah problem of execution.
01:02:20
Speaker
like The scene would have been great if it looked better. Yeah. Because right she's like, it's so un... she's kind of unprepared for the reality of like actually killing this thing. and she's like stabbing it through the face and she's stabbing its eyeball. And like, I mean, that was actually the best part of that scene when the blood started squirt off her. And then like, yeah, that are on her. But yeah, that, that actually is where it got better.
01:02:46
Speaker
But when you're she's in the fight with it, it just looks so cheesy. and like Not in a good cheesy Sam Raimi way. just Just shit. It was like, oh, you guys didn't... What? Either you didn't give the VFX artists enough time to make this look better. Or you like didn't pay them enough. I don't know what happened here. like Give me a puppet full of blood that you could have killed or something. Yes. fuck Just get a fake...
01:03:11
Speaker
head on a stick they could have made it look better I swear like you know like it was just yeah that was there was some parts where I hope and I'm pretty sure this was the case it wasn't up to Sam Raimi it was probably up to the production at that
Debate on Directors and Film Resurgence
01:03:25
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point he' was probably like this is killing me that I have to do this I hope that's that was the case I'm sure it was well he kind of that kind of happens that's been happening with him in his career lately yeah like Oz is a great and powerful did you see that Don't tell me that was Sam Raimi. Yeah.
01:03:41
Speaker
Oh my god. I had no idea. The James Franco movie? I didn't want to watch it. It's just like... It's like bro. like Don't embrace like the CGI shit. like Are we in... It's free domain now.
01:03:54
Speaker
Which one? ah the The story of Wizard of Oz. Is it? No. Well, that's why I'm asking. I'm sure. I don't know. It's probably... don't know. want say it's like... ah That's like 1902. Nobody can... Because I feel like nobody can fucking redo it. You know? I would like somebody to like make a good dark... I know there was like a very... like i It was like an independent B film that was some kind of Oz movie. But I would like somebody like... I don't know.
01:04:25
Speaker
Like Robert Eggers to fucking make ah a Wizard of Oz movie. Robert Eggers Wizard of Oz. Yes. Sorry, guys. I keep reading. Oh, speaking of movies to look out for, he's his werewolf movie is coming out this year.
01:04:41
Speaker
Yeah, Steven, what do you get the shit on about that? Go ahead. Robert Eggers fucking sucks, bro. Oh, no He's the biggest letdown. i I like him. I like Northman. I know you hated it. i like Northman sucked.
01:04:55
Speaker
ah Give me another one. Nosferatu. Sucked. those rock Give me another one. Lighthouse. Sucked. Oh, fuck you. Give me another one. That's it. Which? Boring. What the fuck? You used to love it. What happened?
01:05:09
Speaker
he's I saw it again and I was like, boring. What? Such a good movie. All right. I'll tell you a new movie that I saw. Hail Mary. Okay. I haven't seen it yet. Well, hold on. There's this resurgence of like films that are kind of doing well and kind of bringing people back. Because like Hail Mary, you know, Ryan Gosling, he kind of has this like hex on him where all his movies that he leads in just kind of fall flat.
01:05:36
Speaker
But Hail Mary was a huge, huge success where they're even thinking of turning into a franchise. Fucking Rocky is being not could be nominated for Best Supporting Actor. Fucking stupid. And then ah The Devil Wears Prada 2 was huge.
01:05:52
Speaker
You saw it? No. But but it did. never seen the first one. It did really well. Yeah, it did really well. So, you know, it's really cool to it's really cool to see these movies, some of these new movies that are coming out that are actually doing good in theaters. Yeah. You know, because I love theaters. I love seeing a movie in a movie theater. Yeah.
01:06:11
Speaker
I was about to get to that too. I love it. is By myself though. Yeah. Oh, okay. Or with a really cool audience because I saw Weapons with a good audience. Yeah. And it was so fun.
01:06:21
Speaker
Like it made Weapons much better than what the movie really was. Yeah. um Because, you know, if you got an audience that's just vibing like when we saw ah many Mandy. When you got an audience that's vibing with the movie, it's like, hell yeah. This is... I mean, it's this communal, beautiful experience. well it's fucking primordial. It's sitting around the fire telling stories. mean, that's it's it's as close as we get. i mean, we can literally sit around a fire and tell stories. But dude, where With like some kindred minds, right? Like you're you're on the same wavelength and just enjoying this thing together. And...
01:06:54
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and You know, because I wrote that war machine or whatever it's called in The Yeti with Jim Cummings. Yeah. Yeah, he's in it. i don't watch movies with him.
01:07:05
Speaker
I watch every movie with him. I don't know. I loved Yucca Loma movie he was in. Oh, the Last Stop in Yuccaville or Yucca County? Yeah, that's a really good one.
01:07:15
Speaker
That's really good. Sorry. I can't do it. but um He blew us off. But Hail Mary was like one to acknowledge because – People are calling it a masterpiece. it's like, no, this shit is not a fucking masterpiece. But it is solid. In comparison to shit coming out today, maybe.
01:07:33
Speaker
It's not a masterpiece. um No, there were some masterpieces like art. and There was no masterpieces that came out like maybe last year. But maybe you could consider like Doom 2.
01:07:47
Speaker
Maybe. don't know. To me... The last masterpiece that I've like. For me was Parasite. Is Parasite. um And I hold. i I try to not label things like that.
01:08:02
Speaker
i I want it to mean. i want to be special. Yeah. That's why like it's Parasite. Yeah. you don't want it to be like used so easily? It's a very yeah abused word. Yeah. yeah because every it It's just an issue with modern expectations. is like I saw a thing where people were like, yeah, people nowadays think like a seven is bad.
01:08:25
Speaker
And it's like, well, I'm a three. What about us threes? Like, we just kill ourselves? Like, we got no nothing to look forward life? exactly, right? Like, you got to be a seven or better. And no movies are, most movies are not even sevens. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was always saying. I was like, send help. Like, I liked it a lot, but it was still more probably like a six, maybe a seven. If that. like Like, in all honesty, was like a 5.5. It was better than average, but it wasn't that much better than average. Yeah.
01:08:55
Speaker
But I love Send Help because it wasn't the run of the mill. And it's Sam
YouTube Filmmakers Transitioning to Cinema
01:09:00
Speaker
Raimi kind of going back to his roots a little bit. And it goes to what I was talking about with ah my expectation expectation are the films I'm excited for. is like it's just like it was It was nice to have fun with a movie.
01:09:12
Speaker
And that's what Send Help was. Or like what Street Fighter might be, right? Yeah. Or Mortal Kombat. Yeah, Mortal Kombat 2. Yeah.
01:09:22
Speaker
I'm just looking. It's nice to have fun. it's Well, you know, you watch Annie Hall. Well, Annie Hall was actually pretty fun. Yeah, that was pretty fun. What the fuck? that was But, you know, it's like like we, Hazard, Balthazar. Alex did not have fun watching it with company. Oh, my God. Yeah. You know, i thought that was...
01:09:41
Speaker
I thought that was a setup for a second. yeah It was not. I'm not going to go into it because, you know. yeah Hold on. One film that I want to ask you guys that maybe you're excited about, even though this is kind of going back to what we talked about, but um Backrooms.
01:09:59
Speaker
Oh, I'm interested in it just because it marks... ah young is A new era. The director's only 20 years old. I think it marks a new era in not only independent cinema, but this ah grabbing popular ideas to make films out of. But also people. Because he was a YouTube person. Because there was also Iron Lung that came out that yeah did really well.
01:10:28
Speaker
I'm surprised that did as well as... I haven't seen it I really want to see it just ah because I'm curious. But then there was like the David Spade movie with David Spade. With Theo Vaughn. It's a movie? Yeah, they just released a movie.
01:10:42
Speaker
Really? Yeah, it just came out and it did shit. i Well, yeah, I never even heard of it. I think it was in theaters too and it just did nothing. Who the fuck cares about David Spade?
01:10:53
Speaker
What is this, Just Shoot Me? there's there's some I love that show. there's There's like a lot of energy behind YouTube filmmakers because the guy who's doing backrooms was a YouTuber. Yeah. ah Mark Plyer, Iron Long, and then Stuckman. Stuckman with Shelby Oaks. What's Shelby Oaks?
01:11:11
Speaker
I think it still did really well. I don't know. It just wasn't like Iron Long well. And then, of course, ah talk to me. I've been ah running into is because what's his name? How do you say his fucking name? Markiplier?
01:11:26
Speaker
Yeah. I think that's right. Markiplier. I don't even know. That's not his name right? That's like his… Yeah. Whatever man. Okay. So here's the thing. and That I'm noticing is there's definitely a big bias from it. And I'm not saying this from like a purist perspective. But from just like my own experience. a fan Like the fans something? Like… Because the reason why I watched the movie Iron Long was because a lot you saw it? Yes.
01:11:52
Speaker
But a lot of the… So a lot of… I didn't finish it. I walked out. You walked out. It was shit, man. You saw it in the theater? All right. Okay, you got to tell us. You buried the lead. You got to fucking tell us about this experience. It was watching somebody You saw it the theater? It was bad.
01:12:05
Speaker
Yes, I saw it in theater. You guys got to see it. You guys got to see and tell me what you think. Well, tell us the whole shebang here. The whole shebang is a dude in a fucking tank just talking to a light bulb. Okay, well, what made you go see Iron Law? Where'd you see it? The people in my office were saying it was good. They were like, oh, you seem like you like horror thrillers.
01:12:24
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and Keep in mind a lot of these people are gamers and are big fans of Markiplier. Like with a why Yes. Gay-mer? Yes. This is a very gay episode. they were all about it. And then so I went to go see it. And it just didn't have much story to it. I understand that like... Where did you see that? Because it wasn't like an easy film to find, right? I think I saw it at Cinema West.
01:12:49
Speaker
Where's that? Hesperia, Civic Plaza 12. Oh, wow. Yeah, shit. Okay. But it was just, to me, it was like... And no invite, huh? Huh? No invite, huh? You were busy. I invited you.
01:13:03
Speaker
That's a good answer, buddy. No, you didn't. You fucking liar. Look, to me, like i I would like you guys to watch it, and I'll probably have to re-watch it. and Oh, I but really wanted to watch it. I'm out curiosity. To me, it's the trailer is way better than the movie itself. So you literally walked out on that shit? Yes. Did you get a refund?
01:13:22
Speaker
No, i didn't I didn't care, man. I just wanted to go home at that point. she's kind of It's like, i don't know. Okay. yeah This is a thing that's happening. The YouTube thing, the gamer thing. But you can, at least maybe for us, to the trained eye, you can so you can see where it's lacking of education Just because you can make YouTube videos that are entertaining does not mean you can make a film. not I'm not saying you shouldn't.
01:13:53
Speaker
I'm just saying you can tell that it's coming from a perspective of somebody who just hasn't really dove into storytelling. The opposite of Annie Hall then. It's it's it's and it's like, dude, like think about how many other people could have made Iron Lung and it would have been great.
01:14:12
Speaker
and just So you saw a lot of potential when you went to see it? it just They didn't i mean accomplish the potential? Yeah, there was just probably definitely potential if the right person took it on I'm trying to think of a good person ah comparison.
01:14:27
Speaker
Maybe like Phone Booth. Phone Booth wasn't like a masterpiece or anything. But it was kind of like… Isn't Phone Booth directed by like Steven Soderbergh or something? Hold on. What's the synopsis of Iron Lung for those who don't know? Because I know it takes place… It's a video… It's based off of a video game that takes place all in a submarine? Yeah. Submarine where like this guy needs to… I feel like he needs to get like… I want to say he needs to get some kind of blood.
01:14:54
Speaker
um and he has to bring it back to the surface or he needs to get something i can't remember like this is like how uninterested i was in the story but and there he's deep diving into it he only has one form of communication which is with this like light bulb thing ah and they're part of the organization and they're the ones kind of like guiding him through the whole what are they he's saying like morris code or something not morse code it just lights up when somebody's speaking like he's talking to like the pixar light bulb yeah kind of like that he's kind of like he it seems like at certain points he's kind of like losing his mind getting some cabin fever going on he's alone in the sub he's alone in the sub and i think they like i want to say they tell him like he can't come back up until his like mission is complete
01:15:42
Speaker
Oh like like the moon? And yeah. And then he has to like get like certain images of this giant like a prehistoric like skeleton that's deep inside the the ocean.
01:15:55
Speaker
Okay. So it's kind of like… And I'm probably… There's probably some gamers listening to this. They're like, fuck this dude. No they're not. ah But okay like you know… But it it was just the storytelling. Like overall the shots were crap. And lot of like a lot like… The thing that I always hear… They're like, well… He was pretty much the whole crew. you know… the The funding was like really small. He like funded himself. yeah And it's like, yeah. That was pretty obvious. Like I think I've seen like… Some other short film. Like independent films. That were way better than this. Well you make a good point. Because Tom always says. Like that's not an excuse.
01:16:31
Speaker
Like just because you self-funded it. It's not an excuse. Yeah. do your filled to lack yeah Just yeah because you self-funded it. One. Two. If you have. I feel like if you have the resources. Of like having other people to collaborate with.
01:16:45
Speaker
Why not? You know what mean? ah I'm assuming that you know. When ah Robert Rodriguez did like the Mariachi. You know like he did that because he had to.
01:16:56
Speaker
Yes. And he still made a good film. Like I'm not saying it was a masterpiece. Okay. Okay. But like watch Mariachi. Compare Mariachi to this. Oh that'd be an interesting. Oh. You know what I mean? Maybe that's an episode. A doubleheader. Yeah, let's do that. I think that would be a good comparison. We Mariachi and then Iron Man. That'd be interesting.
01:17:18
Speaker
That'd be real fucking interesting. And it'd probably be worth it. And maybe I'll just fucking, we can try to get all the gamers to listen to that. We can sleep on my futon and watch it on the big screen. And then we'll be real gamers. We'll be real gamers. And maybe I can mark your plier.
01:17:36
Speaker
i allll bring I don't know that makes sense. I'm going to get the baby oil. Yes. All right. I like the way you work. P-ditty. P-ditty. P-ditty. No. Baby oil. Let's do KY jelly. Okay.
01:17:51
Speaker
Fuck you. To respect to the thing. You know. I just hate the way KY jelly feels after it like dries though. Oh. Sticky. What? Is it sticky? Wait. Wait. Wait. don't know if I have used KY. Wait.
01:18:02
Speaker
There's a lot that was just said. Do not disrespect. You like, you don't like. looks like you got so offended by it. No, no, no. You don't like the way KY jelly dries? Wait, how is it dry? Where is it dried on you?
01:18:17
Speaker
You know, because you always get a little bit. You always squirt a little too much. I've never had KY. Oh, you sounded like you. No, no, no. I'm waiting for a top to. Okay. Where does it dry?
01:18:28
Speaker
Where did he try? So you like you put it in your hands and you rub your hands together and then you like get all over your dick or whatever. And then it's like, but and then it's what do you do with the leftover on your hands? You put on your chest. i know You're wiping it all over. That's the first problem. You don't put it in your hands and you rub it together. Not that I'm an expert. Okay. I'm just going to sit back and listen.
01:18:54
Speaker
I've been doing it wrong my whole life. You gotta squirt it direct, man. Right on the dick? Right on the dick. Direct dick application. Okay.
01:19:08
Speaker
Wait, wait, wait. Can you guys finish this? This hurts. Finish
Personal Movie Preferences and Criticism on 'The Odyssey'
01:19:12
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what? The KY? Yeah. What happened? well and not Honestly, I'm not exactly sure. I'm just kidding. but what Did would you masturbate? What's going on here? would assume… if i mean No, it's for fucking and stuff, you know?
01:19:24
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Fucking what? ah Women? Yeah. That sounds about right. You know helps? I like to keep it old school. It helps with the… Alex is like, I want it.
01:19:35
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Tell me why it hurts. Alex is like… I never did it anyhow Spit God's gift Oh hell no Dude fucking clean up on Clean up on Isle Steven Isle Dejas
01:19:52
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and you Okay I got it He even has a towel Look at it You guys got KY I got a towel That's for the extra KY What were we talking about um again We were talking about KY Jelly and how you apply it.
01:20:10
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apply it to your journals. These little subtas really fucking hit. Oh shit. Yeah they do. Like an hour and 20 minutes. They're 12.5%. point five loss Okay. and then Well let's get to the sat interest to you. They're not so when they're not ice cold.
01:20:23
Speaker
What was the last new movie watched Alex? Let's not talk about Grindhouse. You guys i want to talk about Grindhouse? do Does anyone want to talk about Grindhouse? No it's fine. I mean you haven't watched it enough. What? haven't watched long time. I have Grindhouse if you want to watch it like the whole thing. Okay.
01:20:39
Speaker
Like seriously, I i loved it. i So i bought… Oh, no. That's what I wanted to talk about because I really loved going to the theater and seeing it. I fucking love it. yeah I wish I could have gone to like… Oh, I thought we were skipping it.
01:20:51
Speaker
We are. We're driving. Okay. Oh, for Steven's note. Okay, I get it. I get it You skipped my note for your note. I'm kidding. oh let's No, you're you're right. We haven't even talked about Annie Hall yet. um Yeah, and then we still got get to the main topic and the trivia. Yeah. Yeah. So ah keeping up with ah Nolan's latest flick, The Odyssey, it seems that there is a ah ah lot of hate aimed his way, and I'm not sure why. it seems like after Oppenheimer, he would have earned some good faith, but people have been critical of his latest film, from the casting like Lupita Nyong'o as Helen O'Troy, the American accents of actors instead of British accents, or the inaccuracy of the armor. With so many critics, it feels like a psyop.
01:21:31
Speaker
Have you seen like any commentary surrounding this film, and what what was it like? And was it all negative like my in my echo chamber? I don't understand the hint for this. I thought we were kind of past the whole like… Hold on. Because I wrote this note.
01:21:44
Speaker
And I don't know if this is just me because… You know, when you're on the internet… Like the shit is curated to you. Right? m And what I wrote is… I'm not a Nolan fanboy. But this seems really unfair to me.
01:21:59
Speaker
I think it's fine to have suspicions. What the fuck? Suspicions. But to completely dismiss the movie already just seems like too much vitriol for the film. I think there might be some other agenda going on here because it's like, why why why are so many people hating on this shit? like oh ah you know I don't get it i I don't. I hear some people... Wait, one hold on, hold on. With you guys...
01:22:24
Speaker
I don't know if you guys have followed the Odyssey at all in social media. I've been seeing a lot of this stuff. But has it been negative? Yeah. All negative. Yeah, definitely. So it's not just me. No, it's definitely seen like good amount negativity around it. So why? I think one thing. here's Here's one thing that really fucking bothers me is… is i don't know if this is an American thing, which I want to say it is… But we have a like a good collection of people who ah ah love and appreciate Greek mythology.
01:22:56
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But they it to me, it seems like they take it so fucking serious like they're Greeks. And they're like, they're like they lived it.
01:23:09
Speaker
They fucking lived it. Who the fuck are you hanging out with? Dude, swear to God, there's like so many people. There's the shrine. visitor They're like, if it's not by the scripture from fucking Zeus... I swear to God, they get so fucking mad that anybody changes anything or tries to tell that story. Like God.
01:23:29
Speaker
Yes, dude. They're like, they can't. they're like, they shouldn't be doing it like this. yeah bad dadda It's like, motherfucker, you're not even Greek. You're fucking, you're. You're Chinese, bro. Yeah, like who gives a fuck? It's a story. And then it too, the thing that bothers me is that like if it follows the exact way you pictured it it'd be the same story every time.
01:23:53
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Yeah. But the I don't know. I guess the thing that... It's just like, it doesn't matter. Exactly. Like, I don't care that Lupita is black.
01:24:04
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But and people do. But I don't care. and i don't care that people... Because Helen of Troy can't be Because this actually goes back to our argument that we've had like years and years ago on the podcast when...
01:24:17
Speaker
Scarlett Johansson canceled that movie because she was going to play play the famous trans gangster. Oh, yeah. And everyone was like, you're not trans. You can't play her. You'll never understand what it's like to be her. That's crazy. And it's like, well, guess what? This is their job.
01:24:33
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Well, with Lupita Nyong'o, I mean, it's coded in racism. It is. Absolutely. Of course. Because because she's hot as fuck. And it's like, everyone's like, don't know who Lupita is. i Did you ever watch… She's my girlfriend. She was in… She was in A Quiet Place Zero.
01:24:52
Speaker
The newest one, right? Yeah. The one in New York. Did you that one? Oh, yeah, I did. It was very disappointing. She in that cute zombie movie. Disappointing? Yeah. Oh, she is very cute. She was in that cute zombie movie with the kids. The Pi-A-L-A-C-E one was good. And so was that zombie movie. What the fuck was that zombie movie called? don't was a long time ago. Like little kids. She wore a yellow dress. Oh, I never got to see that. I wanted to, though.
01:25:15
Speaker
Yes. Fuck. What was it was that called? I want to was called like Cooties or something. That might be a movie with Elijah. She was in Wild Robot. she Yeah, she was. She was the wild robot. Yeah, she was. She was in Black as King.
01:25:31
Speaker
but you know, like... Sounds like a porno. I mean... i mean it's it's just it's It's weird all of this negativity aimed at this film because Oppenheimer did so well.
01:25:44
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And all of these people, they don't fucking know film that I've seen criticizing it. It's like, you motherfuckers ain't even seen Annie Hall. The other thing too, and I'm sorry to jump on your your point here, buddy, but...
01:25:57
Speaker
Because the Lupita thing, I'm like, that's just stupid. It's just stupid. Well, that that's coded in racism, right? But the like other they're like, that's not what the helmets would look like. Those are more Roman helmets. Oh, I've seen that too. I'm like, who gives a fuck? It's about what looks good. and It's a fucking movie. Yeah. None of you guys are fucking historians. Like, to your point, it's like, do you guys want to watch Zeus turn into a fucking goat and fuck somebody? Like,
01:26:22
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like That's what he did. No, no one wants to see that. No one wants to watch that shit. Well, I mean, that's actually not true. But you what that mean there's a lot of people in Scotland right now. I feel like isn't almost like any story, no matter what, is always like, you know, you know, altered a little bit or, you know, changed a little bit. I feel like it as long as it's.
01:26:49
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for the sake of that person trying to tell their story, it should make sense. I feel like people are finally starting to wake up to how bad Interstellar is. But can I ask you guys, does it not feel a little weird with all the negativity surrounding the Odyssey?
01:27:07
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No, it doesn't feel weird. i um Because it's... ah you you don't You don't feel like it's weird? No. I feel like it's weird. It's like, why? I feel like it makes... It it hasn't even come out yet. feel like it is it's probably weird for... is it to just see someone fail? I feel like it makes sense. Nolan is safe to hate. What was that? Yeah, I feel like it makes sense.
01:27:27
Speaker
And kind of like what you're about to dive into maybe is not that he's safe to hate, but he is... He is
Nolan's Filmmaking Approach and Cinema vs. Streaming
01:27:37
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right now probably designed to be hated in a way because like... Because he's top dog? Because he's top dog, but he's top dog who's going against the grain in terms of like, you know, I don't want to be involved with streaming. you know, he he tries to like shoot everything in camera. You know what mean? Like he is not like, you know, like towing that line, right? Yeah.
01:28:05
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and And I think, you know, they're trying to like program the audience. And that's what I'm saying. It if it feels. that's the That's what I'm seeing. It feels fucking weird. and And the thing is, it's like it's working. Yeah, it's working. It's like we can literally tell them how to feel, how to think. And here's what we're going to do. We're going to make them hate people.
01:28:30
Speaker
I'm not saying that Christopher Nolan is the best director, but he is a great director. he's like the top dog. he's a He's a tried and true filmmaker. He's he's a top dog right now. Who's better than him right now? He's probably... No, I mean, he went off of Oppenheimer, dude. All I'm saying is, I think... He's probably the biggest threat to...
01:28:56
Speaker
Straight to streaming Cheap fucking bullshit That's what I'm fucking saying It's the fucking streamers man They're trying to fucking cancel this They want you to love Markiplier They want you to watch fuck if our fucking Fire Iron Lung Markiplier we're coming for you Fucking subscription based You know, but that that's the thing. and and And that's where I go back to like the education and being, you know, like... it Dude, it's just... It feels weird, man. It fucking seems weird to It is. It's sad.
01:29:28
Speaker
it's It's sad. i have no I have no evidence to base this off of other than anecdotal shit that's been fed to me. But if fuck it fucking feels weird for all this fucking hate that he's getting.
01:29:41
Speaker
Programming. Especially after Oppenheimer because... I fucking did not like Oppenheimer, but people were jizzing all over that shit. So it's like, okay, there you love this film, but you're not gonna like this film? like Where's the disconnect here? i don't They realize how expensive a movie like that but is to make. i If you're going to like this film, then why aren't you going to like that film?
01:30:05
Speaker
There's no… Maybe it's because the comment he made. No, but that's what I'm saying. It feels like a psyop where it's like… Maybe the streamers are trying to like… Shuttle this. Oh, that's true. so that it won't do so well. I'd be like, look… You guys want fucking this shit?
01:30:21
Speaker
K-pop demon hunters? Yeah. I don't know. It fucking… and I think it's a part of that. It feels fucking weird, man. It just seems fucking weird. I don't know. It doesn't seem necessary. Yeah.
01:30:34
Speaker
I feel like shit like this always happens. It's just like Nolan's turn. But it's so fucking negative, Remember how mad everyone was at Once Upon a Time in Hollywood went with Bruce Lee and all that shit?
01:30:48
Speaker
But that's one little thing. There were so many people defending Tarantino. Like, Nolan's just getting shit after shit. you know what? I mean, also, like I think once when you're like one of the like the greats,
01:31:01
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you're automatically going to attract hate. And then two, he's making statements about like how he doesn't like the streaming. Even since Oppenheimer, he's been considered great. like Probably since Batman? After Batman? Yeah. After the Batman trilogy, he's been considered great. No, but
Reception of 'Oppenheimer' and Historical Portrayal
01:31:21
Speaker
I'm just saying like if they're shitting on him, why why wasn't there so much more shit For Interstellar or Oppenheimer.
01:31:29
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e You know? Where where was that criticism? Because I was like, fucking fuck Oppenheimer. And there lived in there was no one who hated Oppenheimer. It was just me and you, buddy. It was literally just me and you. And now everyone hates the Odyssey. So it's like, what the fuck happened? but so Where is this 180 coming from? I definitely didn't hate Oppenheimer. I did.
01:31:49
Speaker
But I definitely. I was an hour late to it, but I did not like what I saw. Well, i say no, no, no. It was good what I saw. I just didn't think it deserved what it got, like Sinners.
01:32:01
Speaker
It was like, okay I don't like this movie because it's getting recognized too much for what it's doing and it doesn't deserve it. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that too. It was a fine film, but it's... It's a masterpiece. No, it's like... Get the fuck out of here. It's never going make the top 200 films ever made. mean, it might, but it doesn't deserve it. It's like Back the Future. No, I don't know. I think being the fact too, like just... It's not Annie Hall. It being about... It's not Annie Hall.
01:32:35
Speaker
Like Oppenheimer. like you know just like ah Like the influence he had on the world. right Yeah. Absolutely. Without doubt. Yeah. I feel like everybody… Like me personally… I felt like I was expecting a different film. I was expecting… What were you expecting for Oppenheimer?
01:32:52
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ah More… I guess just more like intensity. More… more tension you know i mean like i wanted to be on the edge of my seat you know and i felt like it was a lot of like very like there was some like there was the tension but it was like it wasn't the way i expected it i expected it in a different way i don't know you know the problem with oppenheimer is it's like this historical drama
01:33:24
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That ends up being a historical melodrama. Yeah. And I think, and that's where it bothered me, where it just felt so disingenuous. Well, also, you know, part of it was like, okay, they created the A-bomb, but then you're not showing what...
01:33:39
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That led to. Oh that was a big thing too. And you know. you know That's why the Japanese were against Oppenheimer. So you know who I felt like did it good. And like I wish.
01:33:51
Speaker
Alright. um I'm going to like Fallout. Did you guys watch Fallout at all? I think. ah you know they well At the very beginning. at the bit Okay the beginning. with With the way they did the first nuke that hit LA.
01:34:07
Speaker
i did They built that up so good. And I was like, dude, that should have been an Oppenheimer. The whole thing about like, you know, the thumb when he's talking about She was like, you know, like, you know, they're like, oh, what if the explosion is bigger than your thumb? He's like, well, you don't bother running.
01:34:23
Speaker
Oh yeah, for Fallout. And then also, not just that, but then when they're taking the pictures and then you're getting the popping of the flash. And then it's one of the times I think it's like that the camera doesn't go off, but they get the flash. And then it's silent.
01:34:39
Speaker
You know what mean? and then you're And then she's talking to her dad. You're trying to say Japanese people take too many pictures? No. Because these were Americans. I'm not. But here's the thing. And then they're just looking at that plume.
01:34:53
Speaker
Right? And then you know and then they you see the the sonic boom fucking blasting away from it. You know that? that wouldve been Anything like that just would have been great.
01:35:05
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Like how you said. like You didn't get to see any of that. No, you don't get to see what this thing is doing. Yeah, exactly. It's just this... Well, that's because it wasn't about the thing. It was about the man. And the problem was they made the man out to be so much more... But you can't escape that thing. Yeah, I know. That's like the worst thing ever.
01:35:26
Speaker
Well, I mean,
Literary Adaptations and Audience Expectations
01:35:27
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i Epstein. i Yeah. That's worse than Epstein, man. i I mean, it's just it's horse it's one device used to just eradicate. To just mass fucking destroy. It's the worst of technology, right? Yeah.
01:35:41
Speaker
And ah yeah, I feel like they fell short on that. Oh, i me too. But... Yeah, so that's why a bad movie that's that's why it's just so fucking weird to see all this like fucking vitriol towards the Odyssey. It's like, why why is there so much hate here? there's also this thing There should be good faith, if anything, that he has established.
01:36:03
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There's also this thing, though. With the noobs. Where I think a lot of people have this idea in their head what the Odyssey is.
01:36:15
Speaker
Because no one's actually ever read the book. Are you serious? Because I don't. I've read snippets. i You know, you could present the Odyssey in any way to me and I'll accept it. That's the other thing. I think people are holding it to... What are you, Woody Allen? um You read that shit in Greek?
01:36:32
Speaker
I was going to say... No, but I had to read it in high school. Okay, now he's showing We didn't read it by high school. I think that's the other. Well, I just watched the movie and I wrote that. Okay. And I kind of faked it. And I think that's the other problem too is that so many people are trying to compare it or like, you know, they're holding the Odyssey to a high standard. Well, it is. It's one of the greatest pieces of literature yeah ever made.
01:36:56
Speaker
it's So you're getting a lot of the people who were like... But those motherfuckers never read that shit. That's what my problem is. It's like these motherfuckers... They listen to it on the audiobook? This is what I'm saying, buddy. This is what I'm saying. It's like these are not those people. and i'm married back to what They're hating on this shit. but I just don't get it. this is I'm going to get back to what i was saying for Alec. It's like...
01:37:18
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Alex. Don't call him Alec ever. Sorry. I'm offended for Sorry, my intern. I'm very offended for Alex. Alec is my intern and I talked to him a lot. It's been a long time since I shaved my booty hole, let me tell you. All I'm saying is, think...
01:37:32
Speaker
That it is absolutely 100% free and safe to hate on Nolan and his movies as much as you want because he is held to such esteem.
01:37:43
Speaker
And it doesn't matter how much hate this movie is going to get. It's still going to make money. This is not going to be Tenet. It's going to be an epic film that people are going to fucking lose their shit over.
01:37:56
Speaker
Because the trailer did not show half the shit that's going to be in the movie. it did You barely get to see Polyphemus. You don't even see... Who the fuck's Polyphemus? Polyphemus is the Cyclops.
01:38:08
Speaker
Ah. See, look at this motherfucker! What am I doing here talking to these fucking brutes? I want you to read this book called Death. You can just call me Diane Keaton, okay?
01:38:22
Speaker
You dumb fucker. You see what I have to deal with, audience? Oh, so is this our dynamic? I'm Annie Hall and you're Woody Allen. Oh. We haven't banged yet. who are You're the fucking TV actor. You're Mac. You're like, I got two 16-year-olds at home. I got two 16 twins.
01:38:39
Speaker
That math adds up to 32. And I'm going to do number 32. You know what number 32 That's three poops. I never heard of 32. That's three number twos. Yeah, yeah.
01:38:53
Speaker
But yeah, honestly, I think it's like, i don't know. It's so weird. There's like this weird. It feels weird, dude. All this fucking hate fucking feels But dude, seriously, just think about it.
01:39:04
Speaker
and People want to fucking hate shit. They want engagement. They want to stir the pot. Then why are they fucking... Why isn't that shit aimed in a proper direction like towards fucking Trump? that It is though.
01:39:20
Speaker
Tons of people fucking hate on Trump all day, all the No, they don't because he's still fucking president, dude. Well, there's nothing we can really do about it. Yeah. it What is it? The 20... What is that fucking article of impeachment?
01:39:33
Speaker
you're You can't argue with keyboard warriors. I don't know, man. This just feels fucking weird. It just seems weird to me. Look, we'll
Casting Decisions and Representation in Films
01:39:41
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have to wait. The movie's not even out yet. Once it comes out, we'll see.
01:39:46
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will tell. It just fucking feels weird, Tom. That's all I'm saying, man. it just It feels weird. well It feels understand feels like maybe the studios are getting involved and they're trying to push a marketing campaign to undermine. You think? i don't know.
01:40:02
Speaker
Yeah, that's why I said it it feels like a psyop. It feels like there's some ulterior motives behind. And you know, you can't just trust social media anymore. No, no, no, no. like I don't even look at ah political comments anymore. Because it's like, dude… might say It feels like you're just trying to push me in a direction here with comments.
01:40:24
Speaker
I feel like it's it's almost the new the new normal is to have people hate on stuff, and that generates buzz. But that's always been. And it was like, because it's like, no one actually, other than like like, there's probably a small demographic that actually cares that Lupita is going to be the Helen of Troy. Yeah.
01:40:46
Speaker
Are you serious? You're very hopeful. I think there's a huge demographic that does not want to see a black woman being considered beautiful. You're probably right. And that's sad and and very depressing.
01:40:57
Speaker
But it's like, that's not even what this movie's about. she's probably going to be in the movie for two minutes. I know, right? This isn't about Achilles. This is about the Iliad. this is Right? Because Elliot Page. Everyone's like, Elliot Page is fucking Achilles. I'm like, this is that that movie. This is not that. This is the Odyssey. This is what happens after. is the motherfucker trying to get home after the war. Wait, why we talking about?
01:41:20
Speaker
talking about Because he Because Elliot Page is He is Achilles the greatest Warrior who's ever lived The greatest Soldier who's ever Achilles huh So I wonder, because ah there ah this will like ah we'll add up to that perfectly. Okay, so I had reached recently watched The King. I've seen it before, but I recently watched The King again. The King. And showed it to somebody what for the first time.
01:41:49
Speaker
The King with Timothee Chalamet on Netflix. He plays King Henry Never seen Never seen it. I haven't even heard of it. Okay, go go watch it. Okay, so one thing that really bothered me what the reviews were like on Letterboxd.
01:42:05
Speaker
And i was surprised that they were pretty low. And a majority of the people were just complaining about Robert Pattinson. They were like, it seemed like they were really pissed that one, apparently he, because like, i guess he says that he has no problem with actors having an accent coach, but that he refuses to do it himself. Yeah.
01:42:27
Speaker
So a lot of people were like cracking jokes on him for doing that. But it seemed like a lot of people were pissed that they didn't cast an actual French person because he played the French prince to play that role.
01:42:41
Speaker
Okay, but this is acting. that You know what mean? you You know, this is like I saw Bill Burr make a joke about this too, where he the people were complaining about somebody playing, a i always struggle with this word, quadriplegic. Yeah, yeah.
01:42:56
Speaker
And he was like, because it was an actor who played it. And they were like, no, it should have been a guy who actually had no limbs. And it's like, why would you fucking do that? Just because, you know what I mean? Like, why? Nobody, i mean, they don't always have to be exact like that. But then... They shouldn't be. You know?
01:43:15
Speaker
But then, okay, then look that's one of the things. It's like, okay, then why are you going to complain about Robert Pantz and just try and be a French guy? how many How many times has that happened in history? Yeah.
01:43:25
Speaker
You know he's not the first one who's ever done it. No. it's but It's just a dumb reason for people to be mad and upset online. And that's it. Fuck. But then here's the thing that really bothers me is that... Damn, this is going to be bad. But, but okay, but the the Elliot Page thing playing Achilles, right?
01:43:48
Speaker
Like... Man. His dick wasn't big enough for me. It's over. ah But then my thing is, like, if you casted Elliot Page him ah with, like... It's such a weird thing because we all jerked off to him. But but here's the thing. No, I jerked off to her. here Here's the thing that really bothers. Oh, David, you canceled. Here's the thing that really bothers me about. No, when she was a her.
01:44:17
Speaker
Yeah. well Well, she was always a man. This is not the trickiest shit about this I don't know. She was always a man. But when she became a man, I stopped jerking off to her. I mean, maybe there was once or twice that I jerked off to him.
01:44:35
Speaker
here's So here's here's the thing that like is tough. um and It's already tough. we're like It's like there's a minefield and we stepped on three of them already. Yeah. Nolan, get out. Nolan, run. What I want to say, and and I think it should like so like speak some truth to you know casting and directors is and like probably the the route that they took, is was Elliot really the best actor for the role out of all the people who auditioned? My thing is, who gives a shit? like
01:45:12
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Tom said, I don't think Achilles is a big character in the Odyssey. No, no. Is this the Indian? no Okay, but this is not a big character. I know, that's true, but like what if you thought... Also, Achilles fucked his cousin that died.
01:45:29
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That's why he was so upset, because he was like, oh that was this was a tight butthole. And then he was like, oh, you've you killed my cousin, Patroclus, or whatever his is. There's a reason they call it anal Greek.
01:45:41
Speaker
That's all I'm saying. I mean, they fucked each other. Yeah, so, i mean... um I don't give a shit about any of that. I'm not saying like any of that wrong. As long as they show me some cooter and some titties.
01:45:54
Speaker
All I'm saying is, was you know, alex all I'm saying was, you know, out of all the people who auditioned, you know, was Elliot the best? Really? You cut me off and you let
Cultural Appropriation and Storytelling Controversies
01:46:05
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him go? Here's my thing.
01:46:07
Speaker
They've worked together before. You guys remember Inception? So he was probably like, hey, I got a role. It's that big. Wait, wait, wait, hold I was talking about casting with Annie Hall, which we haven't gotten to yet.
01:46:18
Speaker
But what if instead of Elliot Page, they had Michael Cera as Achilles? I would be more upset. I would be more upset. I would rather have Elliot Page. yeah Yes. Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. He's a modern day Woody Allen.
01:46:38
Speaker
modern day something yeah Michael Cera modern day Woody Allen the other thing too is like I think you just gave him way too much credit yeah yeah yeah thank you Alex put that in perspective if anything there is to be upset about it would be like he's too old who? Elliot Page it's like the interview he's in his forty s he's that old Yeah? Yeah. sounds of about right.
01:47:02
Speaker
God, where did it go? They should have got like a 20-year-old to play Achilles. He wasn't like this. They should have had Sidney Sweeney play Achilles. yeah I would love that.
01:47:14
Speaker
like you know I like – I swear to God, I would love that. I've never seen anything of Euphoria, but I've seen all her clips. I've seen every Sidney Sweeney.
01:47:26
Speaker
And it is. It's like a porno. And I don't mind it at all. I know you do because you're a little – Stephen's more of the square conservative out of our dynamic. No, I just don't like it because it's like – I don't like it because it's objective. Objectify them all. They're getting paid millions of dollars to lick each other's buttholes. Like get ah over yourselves, right? Like all these people are rich assholes. Who gives a fuck what they're doing?
01:47:52
Speaker
They're playing pretend. Well, man, the thing I find that interesting is like... We're killing babies in Iran and everyone's like, Elliot Page is Achilles and I'm going to go to war. We are definitely touching on the touchy subjects.
01:48:08
Speaker
ah But like I've seen... Have you seen like women directors... kind of doing doing the same thing but it's not seeing that women shouldn't direct it's a man's job steven is out of here cut that out cut that out yeah obviously i'm joking don't cut it but here that's kind of the thing and now oh man this is gonna go deep but like you know it's kind of like uh just to know we're not even on the second main topic fuck What are the women doing wrong? Okay, so here's the thing. every Are you ready? here And this is something that's bothered me about Spike Lee's comment about Django and his hatred towards ah Tarantino, apparently, because he said... Tarantino's a bitch.
01:48:57
Speaker
so love so So he he says that he feels... i feel like what what he keeps saying is like Tarantino shouldn't have been allowed to make that movie and that there's too many N-words and that he said his... He said his ancestors would not like appreciate...
01:49:13
Speaker
him in like watching that film. So that's like why he... Is this coming from the guy that literally just remakes and rips off Asian cinema? okay so Okay, so yeah and so here's here's the thing about that. And then it's kind of the same thing touching on like you know objectifying women.
01:49:29
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But there are films directed by women where there's a lot of like crazy sex going on and they're naked the whole time. But that's okay.
01:49:40
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? it's like it's ah I'm just saying this is a really good point. is like It shouldn't always just be okay because it's coming from, i guess, the source. that And know only that, but it's like, come on, man. there' There's a nuance to it. ah What's that slasher film that you love that's by Weinstein?
01:50:01
Speaker
Intruder. There's a slasher film called Intruder. Tom and Stephen Arapes love it. But when you watch it, it's very rapey. h And I think that's what the issue is, is that a man can deliver these subjects gracefully and intelligently.
01:50:25
Speaker
But a lot of times it falls into the scope of rapey. And that they're not doing it as intelligently or carefully.
01:50:37
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i Okay. and And that's the thing. Like, you and me, we're Hispanic. But when I call you Mexican, you get fucking pissed. Even though you're kind of a lower Mexican.
01:50:50
Speaker
ah Lower, like, geographically, but higher. yeah, yeah. Like, south of the... Further. source yeah South of the equator. But higher class. I see. No, no, no. When I say lower, I don't mean, like, you're less than. It's just... You're lower down towards the equator. I like how you say that there a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. So...
01:51:11
Speaker
You know, it we actually speak Spanish. Intruder is also a great movie, by the way. We speak Mexican. Yeah. It's our language. Yeah, i know. It's kind of hard to understand. But Intruder is as a good movie.
01:51:24
Speaker
Lawrence Bender. Yeah. fish Okay. ah So that's the Odyssey. I think it's weird. I think there's some psyop going on. And now we're going to get to the ah main event. Second half.