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Speaker: Hello there and welcome back to Wild Theories, I'm your host Alex.
Speaker: And I'm Joe, also your host for the uninitiated Wild Theories Toes Align between Somewhat Informational and Somewhat Game Show.
Speaker: The concept is simple, each episode focuses on a specific subject where each host will bring forth an interest in theory or story relating to that subject.
Speaker: Each episode will also feature a guest whose job it is to decide at the end of this which one has supplied the most entertaining food for thought.
Speaker: And the winner will get to decide the next topic for the next episode.
Speaker: Today, we're going to be talking about aliens.
Speaker: And to help us discuss this... subject...
Speaker: We have Connor, our friend Connor Webb returning again for a second episode.
Speaker: Welcome back, Connor.
Speaker: That's me.
Speaker: We love you, Connor.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You're going crazy.
Speaker: First returning guest I'm pleased to be.
Speaker: And...
Speaker: Yeah, I'm interested to discuss aliens as well, because there has been sort of quite pretty significant kind of alien stuff in the news just in like the last, literally the last few days.
Speaker: I mean, as as of.
Speaker: As of recording, it's currently the 30th of July.
Speaker: The aliens haven't landed yet.
Speaker: No, I've just seen it, and they have.
Speaker: Yeah, they're on the White House lawn.
Speaker: Yeah, and he's shaking.
Speaker: Oh, really?
Speaker: Yeah, there's a White House of Joe Biden.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, yeah, I see it.
Speaker: Who's that?
Speaker: Is that King Charles?
Speaker: Bloody hell.
Speaker: Look like one of them.
Speaker: Right, anyway...
Speaker: But obviously, yeah, I mean, on the news, it was sort of... Yeah.
Speaker: Was it declassified stuff or was it just people coming out?
Speaker: So what it was, it was an ex-military guy came forth and testified in Congress, basically saying that the government, US government, had non-human biological remains and wrecks of crashes of unidentified flying objects.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's interesting, though, that Congress would be taking this seriously.
Speaker: Yeah, it's kind of... That's not heard of it.
Speaker: Really, just within the last couple of years, they've kind of started discussing it in a way that's not just an outright dismissal and saying that anyone that's seen something is crazy.
Speaker: They're kind of... I feel like especially now, like in the past, I don't think...
Speaker: it would have nearly been conceivable it would have been a missile whereas now with like special at the war of ukraine and and stuff like that going on tensions rising with china and north korea as well as russia obviously i feel like fear for like a nuclear missile or a missile flying is probably much more high so it might be why they're taking it more seriously to kind of like calm people down of unidentify plus we had that spy balloon didn't we oh yeah that went went went by over continental america and got shot down way over budget hill but
Speaker: So you mean they're like, oh, don't worry guys, it's not actually the Russians, it's aliens.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: It's America.
Speaker: It's backwards.
Speaker: Who knows?
Speaker: Who knows?
Speaker: But the thing I do find interesting about this is when you think about it, the words they use are very specific.
Speaker: They say it's an unidentified flying object, and it's an unhuman biological material.
Speaker: So that means it could be a bird, like a bird corpse, a bird strike, and just some guy who's duct taped together a few wings and a propeller.
Speaker: Alex, are you ready to roll D20?
Speaker: Shit.
Speaker: I've got to decide who goes first here.
Speaker: Google.
Speaker: Google my friend.
Speaker: The sound of Alex opening that can, you should isolate that to use that as an ident noise.
Speaker: You know when you're editing and you want a little thing just to drop in?
Speaker: Just to break up.
Speaker: If you're going from one topic and then it changes a bit in the edit and you want an ident, that's perfect.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Okay, I got one online.
Speaker: I'm going to roll it.
Speaker: Ready?
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Fuck.
Speaker: Alright, go for it.
Speaker: I got a 7.
Speaker: I got a 10.
Speaker: Looks like you go first again.
Speaker: Fuck's sake!
Speaker: Do you want to do best for 3?
Speaker: Fuck.
Speaker: Actually, Alex, do you remember though?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Did we not discuss at the end of the last episode?
Speaker: I think I promised I'd go first, didn't I?
Speaker: I don't remember, but if you promise it, you're going first.
Speaker: You said it now.
Speaker: You're going first.
Speaker: I feel like I did.
Speaker: Well, every single time I've gone first and I've lost.
Speaker: Maybe I'll get half a point this turn from Pity.
Speaker: But you're going first.
Speaker: I'll go first.
Speaker: You'll go first.
Speaker: It's fair.
Speaker: I've decided.
Speaker: I'm also going to turn up my brightness a little bit.
Speaker: I decided for my theory here to go with something...
Speaker: that wasn't the basic obvious thing.
Speaker: So it's not really about aliens coming to earth.
Speaker: It's more about the idea that we are in fact aliens, that humans don't originate from earth, but from somewhere else.
Speaker: Oh God.
Speaker: So freaky.
Speaker: So basically the theory is that humanity started on Mars
Speaker: So there's the more we begin to learn about Mars, the more we begin to sort of understand that it didn't used to always look that way.
Speaker: No, we know that Mars used to have water on it.
Speaker: We know that it was a very different environment, but at some point, some kind of cataclysmic event happened.
Speaker: So this kind of holds this idea of like, like we see humanity doing with the Earth now,
Speaker: that Mars was destroyed by human progress and humanity had to leave in order to come here to Earth.
Speaker: Otherwise they would die.
Speaker: There's a few little there's a few little things that are kind of hang on.
Speaker: Give me a second.
Speaker: Does that mean Venus is next?
Speaker: When we destroy this one, we're going to pop over to Venus.
Speaker: Well, no, I think it's more that Earth had a habitat that was somewhat viable.
Speaker: Oh, this is our last chance.
Speaker: At the time, it was similar to Mars.
Speaker: Not exactly the same, but similar.
Speaker: So the idea also kind of exists with this thought that we, as humans, we're not really physically perfectly evolved for the planet that we're on.
Speaker: compared to a lot of animals out there, we're not really physically that good.
Speaker: Explain.
Speaker: Well, for example, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We have to be careful on the sun.
Speaker: Too much sun exposure is not good for us.
Speaker: Radiation.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Counter argument to that.
Speaker: With that, if we're born in climates with more sun, we're more resistant to it.
Speaker: That's why...
Speaker: you know, Africa, black people, near the equator.
Speaker: But you can still get cancer from radiation of too much sun exposure.
Speaker: That's just a skill issue.
Speaker: Skill issue.
Speaker: Our bodies have been able to evolve and adapt to living in areas with higher sun exposure.
Speaker: But that's the point, right?
Speaker: It seems like we've had to specifically evolve in order to handle the kind of exposure that we have here on Earth.
Speaker: I mean, also the fact that the sun does seem naturally as though it's maybe a bit bright for us.
Speaker: I mean, the fact that humans seem to want to wear things like sunglasses all the time.
Speaker: They're just fashionable.
Speaker: It's almost as though... I love my sunnies.
Speaker: Sunglasses are not... They don't exist primarily for fashion.
Speaker: What do you mean?
Speaker: This is blasphemy.
Speaker: I see what you're saying with humans aren't that well suited and not the most robust creatures physically, I suppose, compared to a lot of animals.
Speaker: Yeah, other creatures have evolved to be much more just physically better than we have.
Speaker: It's almost as though mentally...
Speaker: We've evolved quite well, but our bodies have more degraded than anything else compared to... I guess that's kind of the payoff for having big old brains and thinking and having quote-unquote sentience, but then also having the technology to basically cushion ourselves.
Speaker: Think about it.
Speaker: Evolution, you evolve for the sake of survival.
Speaker: Barebones...
Speaker: this is what you have and this is what you need if you don't have it you're dead but in the in this age where we have so much medicine technology basically a giant cushion for us it's like ah if you don't have it yeah you might be a bit uncomfortable but you'll be all right
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, totally.
Speaker: I mean, that's literally the explanation for why physically we're not as strong as other apes, for example.
Speaker: I mean, we know, for example, some of us have tail bones, but the more time has passed by, the less and less people are born with the specific bone down there.
Speaker: And there's other areas like that where you can see evolution in humans.
Speaker: Even now, things change because we don't need tails anymore.
Speaker: Doesn't mean that a tail wouldn't be useful.
Speaker: I mean, if we had tails, that would be pretty useful, but we don't require tails to survive.
Speaker: I mean, it's an extra... Bloody annoying.
Speaker: It's an extra appendage.
Speaker: You fall over, you can use your tail to grab something.
Speaker: Yeah, but like, I do that with my face, you know, and like, mostly things get tails of balance.
Speaker: I mean, I'm a bit wonky, but that's a different thing.
Speaker: I mean, you balance well, I hope, for the sake of this argument, but, you know, I don't really feel like we need a tail.
Speaker: It's just going to get in the way.
Speaker: You know, you've got to pull up your boxers.
Speaker: Oh, fucking tail in the way.
Speaker: Can't do that.
Speaker: Now you're walking around straight naked.
Speaker: What are you going to fucking do now?
Speaker: You're really on the offense for this one, aren't you?
Speaker: Yeah, I really want to watch this one.
Speaker: Right, so with this, the main question has to be, let's go along with the idea that humanity originated on Mars and evolved on Mars.
Speaker: How did we get to Earth?
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: yeeted ourselves with a giant catapult okay so this there's two potential ways that humanity could have originated on mars now there's the more exciting one of that we were an advanced civilization we're on mars we developed space flight much like we have now we've been able to transport ourselves at least as far as earth
Speaker: And when we came to understand that Mars was no longer going to be viable, we started to slowly begin to colonize Earth as a plan B.
Speaker: But at some point, the technology has become lost to us.
Speaker: I mean, these are theories that exist around the pyramids and things like that, that maybe some advanced civilization constructed this.
Speaker: And then we went through some period of Dark Age where this technology was lost to us.
Speaker: So that's one explanation, I suppose.
Speaker: The other explanation is very different.
Speaker: The other explanation is...
Speaker: It's kind of a cheat here because it's saying that the material that we are made of originates from Mars, but we evolved on Earth.
Speaker: So the idea being that Earth was a barren place until it was seeded by Mars.
Speaker: So what you're saying is Mars fucked the Earth.
Speaker: Essentially, like... A piece of Mars broke off, landed on Earth, and from that, life sprang.
Speaker: Like bacteria and stuff.
Speaker: Yeah, and from bacteria, eventually, the animals, the plants... I mean, that does have some science behind it, to be honest with you.
Speaker: I mean, that's a very possible way of how Earth came to be the way it is.
Speaker: There's some microorganisms that...
Speaker: they found really resilient and what they've done is they shot them.
Speaker: I think, I can't remember where they shot them, but they shot them in space, took them back.
Speaker: They were perfectly fine and they were still living and walking around.
Speaker: So technically if they were on Mars and a bit of Mars flew, it would technically work, I guess.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So it does have the grounds of science there, at least to my science.
Speaker: Something here that I did read that I've made a little note of was that...
Speaker: Back in 1984, there was a meteorite discovered in Antarctica that had actually broken off from Mars and hit the Earth about four billion years ago.
Speaker: And this meteorite, it had fossilized microbes on it.
Speaker: So there was life in that meteorite.
Speaker: So that could very well have been the meteorite that
Speaker: life sprung from.
Speaker: But isn't that the whole thing of life kind of came from Africa and Africa's the kind of heartland of the Earth?
Speaker: Yeah, because supposedly when all the continents were connected... Was it called Pangaea?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker: Africa was kind of the centre of that.
Speaker: Yeah, but that's the thing.
Speaker: All the continents
Speaker: All the continents were connected.
Speaker: But also, in terms of Africa being where life begun, I believe the first human, or at least humanoid remains, have been found in Africa.
Speaker: But that doesn't mean that that is going to be the first few thousand years from now we might discover a skeleton somewhere else.
Speaker: That's just the oldest one we've found so far.
Speaker: It also doesn't meet.
Speaker: Who's going to stop people from planting it, Joe?
Speaker: What say you take a shovel, you go down to Antarctica right this instant, get old grandad out of the coffin, put him deep down.
Speaker: Oh, God, guys, a lot of founder of Discovery.
Speaker: I'm just saying, I just
Speaker: can't be doing that, Joe.
Speaker: That's one possibility.
Speaker: And also going back to this idea of humans, in fact, existed on Mars, started there, moved here.
Speaker: I think an explanation for us having lost technology is say what we had on Earth back then was nothing short of a small colony.
Speaker: A hundred people, maybe.
Speaker: Think about it today with the level of technology that we have.
Speaker: We've become so reliant on things like the internet.
Speaker: Even outside of the internet, things like books.
Speaker: I mean, basic skills for being able to build things.
Speaker: I mean, I don't know about you.
Speaker: I cannot build a spaceship.
Speaker: I feel like I could figure it out.
Speaker: I feel like if you put the materials in front of me and have a crack at it, I'd be like, alright, I feel like I'm able to make something.
Speaker: Like a space raft.
Speaker: Say on Earth, let's say that this is a situation that happens on Earth, right, where a small community of maybe a hundred people are the only people left remaining and everyone else dies.
Speaker: They're gone.
Speaker: Good riddance.
Speaker: Civilization...
Speaker: would go back in time at that point we would lose technology because people that exist wouldn't yeah so that would be the explanation of how we go all the way back to the beginning of very basic technology and have to start from the beginning i mean sometimes you just need a reset and if that involves genocide and most of your species probably don't go ahead with it
Speaker: And this fits into quite a commonly held theory as well of the reason why we're yet to discover aliens is that eventually aliens, like any civilization, will eventually reach its peak of technology where it then kind of just implodes on itself.
Speaker: What if we're a lost fragment of an empire?
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, maybe we just...
Speaker: the remains of something that managed to just linger on and then start again.
Speaker: God, that's a shit feeling, isn't it?
Speaker: Way to make me feel good about myself.
Speaker: How does... Yeah, but then you could say you're an alien.
Speaker: That's pretty cool.
Speaker: Well done.
Speaker: You just managed to survive.
Speaker: Fuck it off.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: Part of ours being able to break off and land on Earth, you said that that has happened.
Speaker: That's documented.
Speaker: Is it Antarctica?
Speaker: Did you say that?
Speaker: In Antarctica.
Speaker: But we've also had various other meteorites that have obviously hit the Earth and they've had life on them.
Speaker: Usually it doesn't happen.
Speaker: Usually the life will die long before it reaches Earth.
Speaker: But it is possible.
Speaker: It has been proven to be possible.
Speaker: What about the moon?
Speaker: Because obviously you know how the moon...
Speaker: being part of Earth that went up into space.
Speaker: Wait, what?
Speaker: Isn't that the kind of thing?
Speaker: A bit of the Earth kind of flew up into the moon.
Speaker: Yeah, I've heard that theory.
Speaker: Yeah, I don't actually know.
Speaker: I don't know if it's true or not, I've just heard it, and I guess I've just kind of taken it as true.
Speaker: I think that's the kind of prevailing theory, I think, of how planets get moons, is that they're hit by...
Speaker: meteorites and that causes damage and part of the surface can break off and then it will kind of drift off but get stuck in the gravitational pull and then that's essentially where the moon came from and then the moon becomes our asteroid shield
Speaker: which is a cool bit of science is actually very cool.
Speaker: I don't understand how part of like, obviously it's true and has happened, but how part of Mars can break off and then land on earth.
Speaker: Why is it?
Speaker: I think it's probably something along the lines of a piece of Mars has, because obviously meteorites are pieces of planets.
Speaker: So if something's collided with Mars, a piece of Mars could have been lost when that happens.
Speaker: Plus, Mars is a lot smaller than the Earth.
Speaker: It doesn't have quite the same gravity to it.
Speaker: A nearby planet with a stronger gravitational pull could...
Speaker: I suppose so, yeah.
Speaker: It's kind of driven towards the sun as well, and that has a big old pull.
Speaker: We definitely know, like I said, at some point Mars did have some kind of cataclysmic event that completely changed its surface.
Speaker: It used to be different, so that maybe was the event that, you know, I don't know.
Speaker: My finger slipped on the nuke button, I apologize about that.
Speaker: I don't purport to know much about that sort of stuff.
Speaker: I find it very interesting, but I don't know how.
Speaker: All I know is apparently it's widely held the belief that this is a piece from Mars.
Speaker: I'm guessing perhaps soil samples or something's been able to prove that that's where it came from.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So before we move on to Alex's theory, are there any closing points for you to make, Joe?
Speaker: Any closing points?
Speaker: Probably not.
Speaker: I've just decided this is a format point where I sort of just ask you to check.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Feels like I'm in court.
Speaker: Guilty.
Speaker: Sentence him to give half his points to me.
Speaker: Moving over to Alex then.
Speaker: What have you got for us today?
Speaker: Well you did mention it.
Speaker: Went for Antarctica.
Speaker: And there's a whole load of theories about that place.
Speaker: Let me tell you.
Speaker: And a lot of them are aliens.
Speaker: So obviously you already mentioned the asteroid hitting it.
Speaker: So I won't even go over that because I just stole my thunder there and that won't.
Speaker: So that's the same thing then, the asteroid from Mars.
Speaker: It was part of it.
Speaker: It has potential to like... I like the idea of like, we sent these organisms, I can't remember the name of the organisms, but they can literally survive space travel, they can survive sub-zero temperatures, little to no oxygen in the air around them, they go into kind of like a stasis...
Speaker: And then they just come out and it's like, hey, yo, what's up?
Speaker: How's it going?
Speaker: And they're just chill.
Speaker: They're just fine.
Speaker: So maybe something like that.
Speaker: Maybe that's the aliens we're looking for.
Speaker: Who knows?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, that's a genuine concern, isn't it?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: About life that exists.
Speaker: Things like bacteria that exist.
Speaker: Parasites.
Speaker: Shit like that.
Speaker: And
Speaker: With global warming, as the ice caps melt, it will potentially expose these things.
Speaker: I saw this literally the other day.
Speaker: They revived a worm that went into millions of years ago.
Speaker: Came back to life.
Speaker: There was like two of them.
Speaker: They repopulated so much within a day.
Speaker: There's over a hundred generations already.
Speaker: And that was like the other day.
Speaker: It's like, well, fuck.
Speaker: Get the flame for her, quick.
Speaker: Um...
Speaker: But anyway, moving on.
Speaker: Enough about the worms.
Speaker: Enough about those weird organisms.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Where have I saved it?
Speaker: Where did I save it?
Speaker: Ah, well, fuck it.
Speaker: We're not going from the save anymore.
Speaker: Should have been better prepared.
Speaker: So, Antarctica, as we know, is probably one of the last frontiers on Earth.
Speaker: Like, we've explored most places.
Speaker: Antarctica, the final frontier.
Speaker: The final frontier.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: You know, it's... I'd say it's pretty... I'm not sure when...
Speaker: probably ages ago, we've pretty much explored the entire surface of the Earth, right?
Speaker: We've explored every nook and cranny.
Speaker: However, we all know of Antarctica, right?
Speaker: But do we actually know Antarctica?
Speaker: No one's asking how is Antarctica?
Speaker: None of us have explored it.
Speaker: It's not colonized.
Speaker: Yeah, how is it feeling?
Speaker: Is it feeling alright?
Speaker: Is it depressed?
Speaker: Shut up.
Speaker: It doesn't feel anything.
Speaker: It doesn't exist.
Speaker: The earth is flat.
Speaker: Go away.
Speaker: Go away.
Speaker: Fuck off, Alex Jones.
Speaker: Right, anyway.
Speaker: Fucking hell.
Speaker: So we don't actually know a lot.
Speaker: Right, I swear to God.
Speaker: We don't actually know a lot about Antarctica.
Speaker: We know of it.
Speaker: We know of its existence.
Speaker: But
Speaker: you can visit it.
Speaker: It's pretty expensive.
Speaker: You have to go for certain processes, but you can only go to Antarctica on a very specific part of the island during very specific months.
Speaker: I believe it's November to like March.
Speaker: You're allowed to go.
Speaker: Otherwise you're not.
Speaker: And you're, I think you're only allowed on like the icy parts of it.
Speaker: Not the actual continental part, like the actual bit that is land.
Speaker: And that's the thing.
Speaker: We still don't know quite a lot, at least publicly.
Speaker: We don't know a lot about actually the actual physical continent itself.
Speaker: A lot of it is just ice covered in ice and everything like that.
Speaker: And what I do find quite funny about this, I love to joke about this, is so...
Speaker: Antarctica, right, was split.
Speaker: They signed a treaty, the Antarctic Treaty, on the 1st of December 1959 in Washington.
Speaker: It included 12 countries.
Speaker: Boy, are these fucking random countries.
Speaker: So you've got governments of, like, Argentina and Chile.
Speaker: They're quite close, but, you know, South America, quite close.
Speaker: That kind of makes sense.
Speaker: Australia.
Speaker: Belgium.
Speaker: France.
Speaker: Japan.
Speaker: New Zealand, Norway, South Africa, the Soviet Union, or I guess modern day Russia, United Kingdom, North, uh, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Northern Ireland, and the United States of America.
Speaker: First of all, the fuck is South Africa doing down there?
Speaker: Like, and Belgium?
Speaker: I mean, actually, I don't think any of those are particularly weird.
Speaker: When you think about it, South Africa is the southernmost country in Africa to Antarctica.
Speaker: I mean, true, but like Belgium?
Speaker: Isn't Belgium where the UN is based?
Speaker: Norway?
Speaker: Norway is about the furthest north you can go before you hit Antarctica.
Speaker: New Zealand is one of the most southern most countries to Antarctica as well.
Speaker: I would really appreciate it if you just stopped being right for like five minutes.
Speaker: Let me corrupt his mind.
Speaker: Norway is surely places to the Arctic.
Speaker: France and Britain have islands.
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: Well, at what point does the Arctic become Antarctica?
Speaker: They're on opposite ends.
Speaker: It's basically the same thing, really.
Speaker: They're on opposite ends.
Speaker: The world's a circle.
Speaker: It's flat.
Speaker: No, wait.
Speaker: It's a globe.
Speaker: You're done goof now.
Speaker: It's a donut.
Speaker: It's a treaty so that no one country has claimed to Antarctica.
Speaker: So kind of everyone has it, so no one has it.
Speaker: And it's kind of a... They've divided it up, and the point of this, right, so they divide it up, and they've actually left a decent, I'm not sure it's that percentage, a good chunk of it.
Speaker: completely unclaimed.
Speaker: No one's allowed to lay claim to it.
Speaker: It's completely left to be Mother Nature, you know, last frontier, all that shit.
Speaker: All that liberal bullshit.
Speaker: All that liberal bullshit we don't need to do shit about.
Speaker: I want to see it at Qatar.
Speaker: But obviously some countries have... Colonised.
Speaker: Yeah!
Speaker: I want to see a Tesco.
Speaker: I want to see affordable housing on it.
Speaker: Fucking...
Speaker: I mean, the first thing that we're going to get in Antarctica is a McDonald's.
Speaker: That's going to be number one.
Speaker: Can't beat Mackey's, bro.
Speaker: Alright, anyway.
Speaker: Stop distracting me, guys.
Speaker: Obviously, different countries have different percent.
Speaker: I think the largest percentage of Antarctica owned is actually by Norway.
Speaker: I think it's like 30-13% of Norway has, like, claim to it.
Speaker: And this is in 1959, bear in mind, you know, Cold War.
Speaker: I would also like to point out
Speaker: During World War II, it is very cold.
Speaker: It's the Cold War, obviously.
Speaker: But there was people there before.
Speaker: The Nazis actually did send a research team down there, and they were stationed in Antarctica.
Speaker: I don't really know too much about that, but basically, Nazis were there, big bad.
Speaker: Yeah, so they had all those guys down there, and their promise was to be of, like, we're setting these bases up for, like, research and, you know, environmental purposes.
Speaker: Research, I can understand.
Speaker: Environmental purposes, you can fuck right off to, I believe that for a second.
Speaker: You're telling me, 1959, where people do not give a shit about the environment, where bloody mustard gas, a few years later on, has been dumped on Vietnam's jungles and children and napalm and all that shit, and then they're like, hang on a second, guys.
Speaker: We need to think about Mother Nature here, like, 10 years prior in Antarctica.
Speaker: I do not buy that shit for a second.
Speaker: That fucking... Yeah, they suddenly give a shit about the environment.
Speaker: I do not care what you say.
Speaker: What does any of this have to do with aliens, though?
Speaker: Get into that.
Speaker: He's setting the stage.
Speaker: So, obviously, a lot of people are like, yeah, I'm setting a stage show.
Speaker: Fuck off.
Speaker: I've just realised you're wearing a... Not only are you drinking Coca-Cola, but you've got a Coca-Cola hoodie on.
Speaker: Gotta represent.
Speaker: I'm addicted.
Speaker: Sorry.
Speaker: I completely forgot where I was.
Speaker: Oh well.
Speaker: You were setting the stage.
Speaker: So yeah.
Speaker: Tardica.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm setting the stage.
Speaker: So I do not care.
Speaker: It's not for environmental purposes.
Speaker: Maybe research.
Speaker: But you don't really need to claim for that.
Speaker: There's multiple, probably more efficient ways you can go about research,
Speaker: bullshit or whatever right simple un territory yeah fuck off um either way not gonna go into that it's politics it's gay um if it's not for environmental purposes which i do not believe it is and obviously probably research what are they uh i get obviously natural life but what other things is there and here's the thing to this day antarctica is only inhabited by about i think it's 4 000 to 8 000 people
Speaker: A lot of those is research personnel, you know, science personnel.
Speaker: But surprisingly, a large majority of that as well is also military personnel.
Speaker: Why do you need military personnel there?
Speaker: To fight the penguins.
Speaker: That's the only reason.
Speaker: Unless Pingu's got a bloody AK-47, got a bandana and a suicide vest on, you don't really need military personnel over there, do you?
Speaker: What are they hiding?
Speaker: What are they doing over there with military personnel?
Speaker: Maybe the Nazis... The Nazis never left.
Speaker: Maybe they've established themselves.
Speaker: The Nazis left eventually.
Speaker: That's what they want you to know.
Speaker: Maybe they established themselves there.
Speaker: This is a whole different episode.
Speaker: We're not going into that right now, okay?
Speaker: Jesus Christ.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: Yeah, so either way, military personnel.
Speaker: I've been sitting there.
Speaker: There's actually a surprising amount of military personnel that have actually come forth, a lot of which have kept their identity hidden, saying that aliens exist and governments of the world know about it, they're hiding it from us, and there's aliens around.
Speaker: A multitude of those are coming from Antarctica.
Speaker: And one even came forth, I think it was in 2003, the History Channel even did a documentary about this.
Speaker: And the guy came forth.
Speaker: His nickname was Spartan because he kept his identity secret.
Speaker: And he basically said he was stationed there.
Speaker: And one day they were like going out, I think on a patrol.
Speaker: And they spot this giant like black metal, like kind of metallic structure in the snow protruding from the continent.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: And you've got numerous people saying this, numerous people saying like, oh, you know, there's loads of, you know, shit going around.
Speaker: I haven't really seen much proof to deny, but also if there's this many people saying it, I kind of feel like there's got to be some truth in it to some degree because there's multiple loads of people coming out, obviously a lot keeping their identities hidden, but also the fact, fact that some military personnel out there, what, what are they doing up there?
Speaker: If it is, if it isn't, um, like guarding some kind of aliens or some bullshit, are they researching them there?
Speaker: Like, are they trying to like, you know, kind of like an area 51 situation?
Speaker: Do you know about the pyramid thing?
Speaker: Yeah, they spread a pyramid up there as well, didn't they?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, it's like people began to spot that there was a mountain that just was a perfectly shaped pyramid.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And so they're finding... It's so symmetrical.
Speaker: And there's no explanation for it.
Speaker: We just get told that, like, oh, yeah, it just happened to form that way.
Speaker: It can happen.
Speaker: So a numerous kind of thing is that it's actually like an outpost or an alien kind of base headquarters there.
Speaker: And like the kind of go from and in I actually got a date here.
Speaker: I didn't get the exact date, but in August 2012, there was reported above Antarctic Research Station.
Speaker: There was a blurry floating object that just kind of hovered above there for a few hours and then fucked off.
Speaker: What's that about?
Speaker: Now, I know we said before about the kind of whole alien thing and ship, and it could be some... I don't know who the fuck is jerry-rigging a bloody unidentifiable flying object or drone in bloody Antarctica.
Speaker: So, what's that about?
Speaker: You know, I feel like it has more truth to being up there.
Speaker: Maybe it is.
Speaker: You know what?
Speaker: Maybe the Nazis... Maybe Hitler's still alive and he's still down there commanding a goddamn alien race of space Nazis.
Speaker: Who's to say?
Speaker: What I'm basically trying to get across is...
Speaker: Probably aliens.
Speaker: I don't fucking know.
Speaker: Military personnel.
Speaker: Antarctic treaty countries.
Speaker: Ah, my head hurts.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Wow.
Speaker: Um... A lot to digest there.
Speaker: Uh... So... Okay, so...
Speaker: so the the idea being that the reason that there's so many that the military uh details are there uh to keep the guard and keep secret uh some sort of alien presence that's that's hidden there that's what i think yeah like why else would they have military personnel there you know because
Speaker: On the Atlantic Treaty, they've said this is for peace.
Speaker: We're going to have completely peace.
Speaker: But yeah, they've been like, yeah, we're going to have peace.
Speaker: But we're also going to station military assets there.
Speaker: Why?
Speaker: I mean, the explanation could simply be, although there isn't any kind of conflict there,
Speaker: If they are researching things, and it could be alien things that are researching it, but if they are researching things and you've got multiple countries, perhaps the military is simply there to guard whatever information.
Speaker: Wouldn't it be a better idea to have a UN peacekeeper task force instead?
Speaker: What's a peacekeeper task force going to do?
Speaker: Someone tries to break it and steal your information?
Speaker: Keep the peace.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I feel like it would make more sense, especially if it's going to be across all the ball.
Speaker: Instead of having all these separate military systems and doctrines and personnel, why not just have the UN come in?
Speaker: And I feel like they might as well do that if they're already going along the lines of the UN with the Antarctic Treaty.
Speaker: You might as well just go the extra step and be like, alright, UN's going to station troops up there.
Speaker: I mean, it's a good point.
Speaker: I mean,
Speaker: Look at the space station, right?
Speaker: Like, we don't have military there.
Speaker: Yeah, it's completely like Outlawed.
Speaker: Like, you know, no space weapons.
Speaker: Why does it not work the same?
Speaker: It's a good point.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Please don't pick apart my theory.
Speaker: Please.
Speaker: I've spent so long researching this.
Speaker: Please.
Speaker: I was up all night.
Speaker: I can't believe it anymore.
Speaker: Are there any rumours or speculation or theorising that anything has leaked?
Speaker: If we're entertaining this theory, let's go with it, say it's true.
Speaker: Is there anything that's come out where it's like, oh, this is leaked?
Speaker: Well, kind of going on with back to the guy Spartan I was saying about earlier.
Speaker: Back in the documentary.
Speaker: When they spotted it.
Speaker: They actually obviously went up to the structure.
Speaker: And they kind of examined it.
Speaker: They found out the walls were like inches.
Speaker: Feet thick.
Speaker: Of like a material.
Speaker: Very durable.
Speaker: Almost like steel.
Speaker: However apparently they actually opened it.
Speaker: They like touched it.
Speaker: And when they touched it.
Speaker: It kind of effortlessly floated open.
Speaker: Like kind of like an automatic door.
Speaker: You know you go near it.
Speaker: And it opens.
Speaker: Kind of like that.
Speaker: It just kind of opened.
Speaker: So it was a Tesco.
Speaker: Maybe it was... Shit!
Speaker: It's an alien Tesco!
Speaker: That's what it was.
Speaker: Fuck.
Speaker: I wanna go now.
Speaker: So explain.
Speaker: Sorry mate, I've picked it apart.
Speaker: Yeah, actually, you know, fair enough.
Speaker: It's a Nazi, Nazi-owned Tesco.
Speaker: Nazi alien Tesco.
Speaker: You know, it kind of makes sense, you know, Nazis and, you know, the kind of black design and... Yeah, yeah, you know what?
Speaker: And no one was showing their faces around because it wasn't an Aryan there.
Speaker: You know, they didn't like him.
Speaker: They didn't want to say hello.
Speaker: Being awfully racist.
Speaker: Fuck, it all makes sense now.
Speaker: Maybe.
Speaker: Shit.
Speaker: And where would they be able to afford all this stuff?
Speaker: The Nazi gold they kept hidden.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You know what?
Speaker: You just picked it.
Speaker: Maybe the Nazis are aliens.
Speaker: Like, in themselves.
Speaker: Maybe Hitler was an alien.
Speaker: He had one bollock.
Speaker: Could be.
Speaker: So does Nigel Farage.
Speaker: Yeah, but let's be honest.
Speaker: He's definitely an alien.
Speaker: Have you seen his mug?
Speaker: He's definitely some sort of lizard person.
Speaker: He does kind of look like his face doesn't quite fit.
Speaker: Doesn't quite add up, does it?
Speaker: Plus, he's awfully racist, just like Hitler was.
Speaker: You know how you get those really human, realistic looking masks and you put them on?
Speaker: And it kind of stretches, yeah?
Speaker: Yeah, it doesn't look quite right in the neck area.
Speaker: That's the Farage look.
Speaker: So anyway, I think we can all agree Antarctica plays a massive part.
Speaker: Yeah, I wasn't expecting Antarctica to be so involved in these discussions.
Speaker: That took me by surprise.
Speaker: I kind of think it's kind of cool because it's the last frontier.
Speaker: And obviously, as well as them having the Antarctica divided between those countries, there's also a large part of it that is...
Speaker: supposedly completely you can't go to and obviously you can visit Antarctica but you can only visit certain times of the year on a certain part of the island which is heavily like regulated and it's like you can walk here but you're not allowed to like touch anything you can observe you can look but you can't go on okay why maybe it's a giant mothership maybe it's the flood from Halo who knows could be who knows
Speaker: You know, at this point, it can be.
Speaker: My head hurts so much now.
Speaker: I hate this.
Speaker: Well, I'm going to say, I found both of them interesting.
Speaker: They were both quite unexpected.
Speaker: I was anticipating sort of more to do with like...
Speaker: more of your classic UFO sort of activity probably stuff in America and the US government and more of a Roswell kind of vibe so the fact that Antarctica featured in both of yours I've won that yeah very interesting
Speaker: Yeah, that was not intentional.
Speaker: I didn't think we were both going to talk about Antarctica, but there you go.
Speaker: The idea that aliens are being kept secret in Antarctica, it's an interesting concept, but overall I found Alex's vision a bit vague, a bit...
Speaker: I'm afraid to say.
Speaker: Just not seeing the full picture, man.
Speaker: Just not seeing the full picture.
Speaker: Sort of thing to communicate.
Speaker: And I think Joe's is just more... It has like a catchy... More of a catchy poster sort of tagline.
Speaker: Imagine the movie poster...
Speaker: Yeah, it's just meant for Hollywood storyline.
Speaker: It ain't about aliens, it's about us and where we came from.
Speaker: Fucking evolution, mate.
Speaker: Fuck off.
Speaker: Put it down to Charles Darwin's book.
Speaker: You've already done that.
Speaker: I was going to make a film out of it.
Speaker: Imagine the poster, because it would say, what if we... are the aliens?
Speaker: And people would be like, oh...
Speaker: Men are from Mars.
Speaker: Women are too.
Speaker: What about the kids?
Speaker: Mercury.
Speaker: Little shits came from there.
Speaker: So for that reason, I think I'm going to have to give Joe the point, I'm afraid.
Speaker: It wasn't even about aliens, though.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It was about us.
Speaker: Charles Darwin.
Speaker: You already said that.
Speaker: We are the aliens.
Speaker: Don't you...
Speaker: Don't you fucking start?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: I suppose we're not the aliens.
Speaker: Everything on Earth is alien to us.
Speaker: Everyone's alien to someone.
Speaker: That's why I hate foreign people.
Speaker: First of all, before I ask you the question, I'll just say that this question is a...
Speaker: guess the date as in the year question.
Speaker: And so if you know the year, if you get it bang on and the other person doesn't, then obviously that person gets the point.
Speaker: If neither of you know it, then it will be point to the person that's closest.
Speaker: So, I think it's fair to say that the single most famous iconic alien-based event in popular culture has to be the Roswell incident.
Speaker: Regardless of if there's any truth to it whatsoever, I think it's fair to say that that is the biggest sort of UFO sort of...
Speaker: tent pole events in popular culture.
Speaker: If you go to Roswell, everything there is like everyone's trying to flog you.
Speaker: Yeah, it's an alien based economy.
Speaker: It's like, come and get your alien, you know, your UFO.
Speaker: So my question to you, as you've probably worked out, is in what year did the supposed Roswell event happen?
Speaker: which if you're a believer you would say is a ufo crash landing on the site i i want to say i'm just going to guess a random date here and it's so just so i understand it's joe don't you google this by the way um i'm going to say it's whoever's closest right if we don't get it right whoever's closest so are we going for just the year or the exact day
Speaker: Six.
Speaker: Oh, yeah, six.
Speaker: No, I'm joking.
Speaker: 19... I want to say 1961.
Speaker: I actually do know what the year is.
Speaker: I was being nice here and letting you go first, but it's 1947.
Speaker: It is indeed 1947.
Speaker: That is a big, fat, well-rounded point to Joe, I'm afraid.
Speaker: I don't want to make it worse, Alex, but I'm sorry, Alex.
Speaker: Get fired.
Speaker: Hey, I keep giving you chances here.
Speaker: I gave you two thirds of a point.
Speaker: Why do you know that?
Speaker: Why do you know that?
Speaker: Why is that you're in?
Speaker: Why is this a bit of information you haven't saved in your internal database?
Speaker: Are you a robot?
Speaker: Are you a Terminator?
Speaker: Do you plug into the wall?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: The reason why I know the year is because there's a band called Hypocrisy and they have a song
Speaker: about Roswell, and he keeps saying 1947 constantly through that song.
Speaker: Not even from fucking research!
Speaker: By music!
Speaker: That's how people know things.
Speaker: Most of the things I know isn't from research, it's because they were in an episode of The Simpsons.
Speaker: I'm so fucking dumb.
Speaker: Consume media, Alex, that's how you learn.
Speaker: But, um, we've...
Speaker: I think this might have to be the last episode, because Alex has had enough.
Speaker: I don't think he can do another one.
Speaker: This is Brokingham, isn't it?
Speaker: It's for fucking proper information.
Speaker: For fucking Simpsons.
Speaker: Is this Alex's art?
Speaker: Has he got a character art going on where he becomes Brokingham?
Speaker: He sort of starts off quite a normal young man, and then by the end of this podcast series, he's like Gollum.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So, yeah.
Speaker: And if anyone's actually made it to the end of this podcast once again, congratulations.
Speaker: Hats off to you.
Speaker: Go see a doctor.
Speaker: You are an incredible human being.
Speaker: If you are, in fact, human, that is.
Speaker: See you again in the next episode for what was it we decided again?
Speaker: Oh, yes.
Speaker: AI Uprising.
Speaker: It'll be great.
Speaker: Whoa.
Speaker: That has to be your least conspiratorial episode, I think.
