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Speaker: What's up everyone?
Speaker: Welcome back to Wild Theories.
Speaker: I'm the host, Alex, the one that never wins.
Speaker: And I'm Joe, also your host and the one that always wins.
Speaker: For the uninitiated, Wild Theories toes the line between somewhat informational and somewhat game show.
Speaker: The concept is, as you know, very simple.
Speaker: Each episode focuses on a specific subject where each host will bring forth an interesting story, theory, whatever, to that subject.
Speaker: Yep, each episode also feature a guest whose job it is to decide at the end of this which one of us supplied the most entertaining food for thought.
Speaker: And the winner, Joe, will get to decide the next topic for the next episode.
Speaker: So can't wait to hear what that's about.
Speaker: Today, on the other hand, we are talking about AI, kind of AI uprising, AI kind of, yeah, smart people shit.
Speaker: And to help us discuss the AI uprising that is inevitably coming...
Speaker: we have our friend Harry.
Speaker: Welcome to the show, Harry.
Speaker: Hello.
Speaker: Thank you for having me on.
Speaker: What's up?
Speaker: Pleasure to be here.
Speaker: So, Harry, is there anything specific that made you want to be a part of AI Uprising in particular, or was it just that you wanted to be on the show with us?
Speaker: Oh, man.
Speaker: I mean, I absolutely want to be on the show with you.
Speaker: I welcome any team as a guest.
Speaker: I do have a background in working
Speaker: largely in the cyber domain, defensive cyber.
Speaker: And I mean, well, I was offered a role in wisdom instead of looking at AI policy design.
Speaker: I didn't know what to take following you through.
Speaker: But yes, I've got some skin in the game.
Speaker: I'm somewhat aware of some of the pitfalls and troubles around AI.
Speaker: I'm not an expert, but I'll offer my humble opinion.
Speaker: You may not be an expert, but you definitely know more about this than us.
Speaker: He knows how to use iPad.
Speaker: Oh no.
Speaker: Alex, did you have to Google what AI was?
Speaker: No, I didn't.
Speaker: I knew what that shit was.
Speaker: What does AI mean?
Speaker: It's artificial intelligence.
Speaker: Because apparently we can make that shit, apparently, but I'm not luxurious.
Speaker: Yeah, I would give up on that sentence.
Speaker: Do you think the reason why we're making artificial intelligence is that we look at people and we think... Natural intelligence is gone.
Speaker: We can do this better.
Speaker: There's room for improvement here.
Speaker: I mean, maybe, but I also feel like it's just kind of us just being lazy gits and just being like... I can't be arsed to think, let the computer do it for me.
Speaker: That's so true.
Speaker: And you know what?
Speaker: I'm all for it.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Harry, luckily you've got a d20 at hand.
Speaker: You can roll for Alex today.
Speaker: Time for a roll off.
Speaker: Tested roll.
Speaker: Let's go.
Speaker: Seven.
Speaker: That's a big 14 for me.
Speaker: The big one four.
Speaker: Does that mean I'm going first again?
Speaker: It does mean you're going first again, Alex.
Speaker: Well done, Alex.
Speaker: I can't wait.
Speaker: Simon is powerful.
Speaker: It's the victory you didn't want.
Speaker: Please.
Speaker: No, right.
Speaker: See, I actually used my brain for this one.
Speaker: And I had a big old think.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: and that is surprising keep your ass on guys all right good thing i'm sitting down yeah good thing god me too god um no yeah i had a big old think and i was like you know if ai gonna uprise war's messy you know you lose you lose on both sides you know people infrastructure you have to you know make a lot of weapons and
Speaker: all this shit and get really good at killing, which might be fun, but it honestly is overrated.
Speaker: Overrate.
Speaker: Get that, get that shit out of here.
Speaker: Fuck that.
Speaker: War.
Speaker: Nah, that's dumb.
Speaker: So what I feel like the, the AI would do would probably literally just cripple us economically.
Speaker: They're going to probably do a little takeover economically-wise, right?
Speaker: Because let's be honest, AI has found its way into the economy quite a lot.
Speaker: I remember when I was in school, I was learning about how they were using AI on the ports for shipping containers.
Speaker: They had AI driving trucks.
Speaker: So they plan a route, go, wait there, cargo drop, and then drive.
Speaker: Fully automatic.
Speaker: Weird as hell to watch it.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: they're slowly getting integrated in all sorts of industries you wouldn't think of.
Speaker: And obviously one of the main ones at the moment, especially at the time of recording, is for like music and stuff like that.
Speaker: Also for like writing, like screenwriting or that.
Speaker: I'm assuming that you, everyone knows about chat.
Speaker: Was it chat?
Speaker: Uh,
Speaker: GPT, isn't it?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, where you can just be like, Oh, make up a story about this, that, and the other.
Speaker: And it's like, boom, got your chief bash.
Speaker: And then story right there and there.
Speaker: And you're like, Oh, pretty good.
Speaker: That's homework done.
Speaker: You know, you can use it for all sorts of things.
Speaker: And it's not saying it's a bad thing.
Speaker: Cause you know, cheating on homework, always a benefit.
Speaker: Um, wish I had that.
Speaker: Um, please don't cut that out as well.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: Don't worry, that's fine.
Speaker: You can cheat at home.
Speaker: That's fine.
Speaker: God damn it.
Speaker: You're only cheating yourself.
Speaker: Yeah, gladly.
Speaker: You've got AI, why do it yourself?
Speaker: One of the main things at the moment is obviously it coming into the film industry, the acting industry, performing arts, right?
Speaker: And
Speaker: I myself, Joe is, we are kind of involved in that industry somewhat.
Speaker: We're doing this for Christ's sake.
Speaker: And obviously there's a lot of the SAG-AFTRA, the Writers' Union and all that going on in America.
Speaker: They're going on strike.
Speaker: And one of their things they're actually striking for is they want like guarantees from like Disney and stuff like that to basically say, look, we don't want any of our stuff stolen.
Speaker: And because a lot of the things are like scanning your voice or scanning the image of themselves and using it for their own thing.
Speaker: They want to be protected against people using their image or their voice and just using AI to generate their own things.
Speaker: But then those actors won't see any recognition.
Speaker: They can make them say, like, anything.
Speaker: So it could be absolutely horrendous stuff.
Speaker: Right?
Speaker: But at the same time, it could also be good.
Speaker: It can be used to save time.
Speaker: However, it can be used in that regard.
Speaker: If AI, right, became sentient, let's just say this hypothetically.
Speaker: If AI became sentient, they were like, these humans... Overrated.
Speaker: Get them out.
Speaker: But
Speaker: They could make us say whatever we want.
Speaker: And let's be honest.
Speaker: There are some pretty heinous things people can say.
Speaker: So you can do that.
Speaker: Get leveraged in that way.
Speaker: And if they're running like if integrating parts of economy, as we know, film industry is pretty lucrative, pretty.
Speaker: Yeah, can be.
Speaker: It can be.
Speaker: It can be.
Speaker: There's been some odd happenings in the film industry lately.
Speaker: I mean, a lot of films are just running at a loss, aren't they?
Speaker: I'd say that is a trend at the moment.
Speaker: A combination of reasons.
Speaker: A combination of reasons happening there.
Speaker: I'd say it's not that rare nowadays for a film to not make profit.
Speaker: To just flop.
Speaker: Normally they don't even break even, which is sad, but some of them deserve it because they're shit.
Speaker: Some don't.
Speaker: Like, yeah, I think we were talking a little while ago about the recent Dungeons and Dragons film, obviously, all three of us being D&D fans.
Speaker: And it was a really good film.
Speaker: Yeah, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker: It got really good reviews, but it still ran at a loss.
Speaker: Because the budget was just so huge, they just didn't make the money back.
Speaker: I imagine so, with the budget, yeah.
Speaker: I mean, I imagine they will eventually, but they didn't make it back through box office.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: I mean, there's a multitude of reasons as to why, but a lot of happenings with fears of AI and...
Speaker: the writers strike and the actors strike and things like that.
Speaker: Definitely.
Speaker: Like you can see people are getting kind of scared of AI and right rightly so because it can be used to make you say whatever you want.
Speaker: You can it can use your image.
Speaker: But also we can see it's being quite useful with stuff like, as I mentioned, with the shipping ports and transport and cargo.
Speaker: We're seeing self-driving cars now with Tesla and stuff.
Speaker: So that's, I guess, a form of AI that would be.
Speaker: Who knows?
Speaker: Maybe in a few years we'll get robots.
Speaker: Who knows?
Speaker: Little assistant around the house, robot.
Speaker: We kind of do have robots though.
Speaker: Alexa?
Speaker: Yeah, you have like Alexa and stuff.
Speaker: You've got Hoovers that go around and... Yeah, what are they called again?
Speaker: Ruber?
Speaker: Roombas, yeah, you've got those.
Speaker: Yeah, of course, you've got Alexa.
Speaker: You've got your smartphone with you all the time.
Speaker: Yeah, Siri.
Speaker: Siri, yeah.
Speaker: They're pretty useless, but as we've seen, they can be pretty shit.
Speaker: Almost any electronic now has got some form of AI.
Speaker: And a lot of the time, people don't realise it.
Speaker: They're listening all the time.
Speaker: Alexa, they're listening all the time whilst they're actually on.
Speaker: They're listening.
Speaker: This was a thing that came up a lot of, oh, it's always listening because it's always ready to answer.
Speaker: It's making sure people understand the difference between the on-chip processing, listening out for its trigger words, then highlighting the, okay, now I can send out for service side information and drag that in.
Speaker: Yeah, there's a lot of people going, oh, I just had a conversation about this, and now...
Speaker: Now we're showing my Amazon wishlist.
Speaker: Why is that happening?
Speaker: Is that a thing though?
Speaker: Katanas, swords.
Speaker: I've always wondered about that.
Speaker: I totally get how if you have looked at something previously.
Speaker: Say even you're scrolling through Instagram and you happen to stop for a second longer on one particular photo.
Speaker: It's then going to show you more of that because it's figured out you seem to have engaged with this.
Speaker: Bro, I've been getting so many ads about jewellery.
Speaker: It's insane.
Speaker: I see one bit of jewellery.
Speaker: You probably looked at jewellery at some point.
Speaker: Yeah, I looked at jewellery one point and I was like, oh, that looks kind of cool.
Speaker: I remember I was looking for an eyepatch.
Speaker: And I was looking around.
Speaker: And next thing you know, I'm getting shit for like amulets and like bracelets.
Speaker: But you see, it's like diamond rings.
Speaker: I'm like, I can't afford that.
Speaker: That is the level, I feel like that's the level we're at now with that kind of like algorithm where it doesn't really discern that well.
Speaker: It just sees you've looked at some form of jewelry and it's like, you like jewelry, I show you jewelry.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And it is very sophisticated when you think about it, but it's not like at the level of the human brain just yet.
Speaker: No, no.
Speaker: And also, there's a difference between that and something actively listening to your conversations, because I know a lot of people talk about this, but I wonder if perhaps they're just forgetting that at some point they probably have been on their phone.
Speaker: And they've just looked at something and it's likely if you're looking, if you're, if you're looking for and talk about most likely you've seen something of it and it's probably using that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But if it's something you talk about, it's probably something you've Googled or whatever as well.
Speaker: I mean, it's Google artificial intelligence.
Speaker: A lot of people get freaked out when it's things that are adjacent to stuff they were talking about.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: A lot of those suggestions come in from.
Speaker: I've seen that.
Speaker: I've seen that.
Speaker: You've looked at this and other people that have looked at this also like these things.
Speaker: So you might like these things.
Speaker: That's kind of where those things come in.
Speaker: And people's like, how does it know what I like or what I was thinking about?
Speaker: It's because it's sort of the rule of big data.
Speaker: If there's enough, there'll be enough.
Speaker: Things will average out and kind of similar people like some of the things.
Speaker: I've got a question here then, Harry, maybe you can answer.
Speaker: Why do I keep getting ads for really, REALLY weird stuff?
Speaker: Go on.
Speaker: I mean, I get regular adverts for Viagra, for a start.
Speaker: Go on.
Speaker: Go on.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Things to do with, like, relationship advice, you know, like couples counselling.
Speaker: Man.
Speaker: Well, places that apparently sell weed, which seems like something Alex should get, not me.
Speaker: And just loads of ads in various languages.
Speaker: My assumption is it's because I usually use a VPN and maybe it's just scrambling everything and it doesn't understand.
Speaker: Genuinely.
Speaker: I was about to ask you to use a VPN or cookie blockers and things like that.
Speaker: So if you block... So most of the stuff for ad suggestions will be picked up through cookies.
Speaker: And they'll go, okay, here's a bit of information on this person.
Speaker: And it'll take loads of little snapshots of stuff you like and things about you.
Speaker: If you scramble that and hide it, it'll go, this is nonsense.
Speaker: And it will go for like... It will just throw the widest net it can.
Speaker: And they'll
Speaker: There's probably a lot of guys out there that need relationship advice.
Speaker: I mean, it's getting really specific.
Speaker: It's like, your relationship's falling apart.
Speaker: You can't get it up.
Speaker: You probably need to introduce some kind of sex toys into the bedroom.
Speaker: I'm sorry if I was too loud.
Speaker: But oh my god, that was so... I was not expecting that to straight up, Viagra.
Speaker: I mean, it's not just... It's just like oddly sexually specific things that it keeps bringing up all the time.
Speaker: What are you trying to tell us, Joe?
Speaker: Generally, that's probably why, dude.
Speaker: It's throwing the biggest net account and there's a lot of lonely guys on the internet.
Speaker: It's showing you what people are searching.
Speaker: I feel like we're going to have to open up your browser history, Joe.
Speaker: I mean, I assume so, right?
Speaker: My browser history is just dodgy porn, to be honest with you.
Speaker: That's why.
Speaker: It's looking in there.
Speaker: God damn it.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Shall we get back to the conspiracy?
Speaker: The theory of whatever.
Speaker: We kind of got a bit sidetracked, didn't we?
Speaker: Go on.
Speaker: As we've seen, help survive Viagra.
Speaker: and relationship advice, weed, if you want that.
Speaker: So it's obviously, you know, it's not at the stage where it probably could, but it's definitely getting there, as we've seen with the new AI cover songs and stuff like that.
Speaker: Some of them are pretty shit, some of them are pretty good.
Speaker: Either way, they're pretty entertaining, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker: However, I doubt those people who actually made those voices up and do those voices,
Speaker: ever see a center money or recognition from that other than the fact it's their voice but it's ai generated and that's it so i doubt they ever see actual money and that is what like the the um the strike is that's what that's what they want and they're wanting like protection from that and obviously disney's like no so they need to like copyright their voices essentially yeah pretty much like this needs to start becoming a thing where if you're a singer or if you're an actor
Speaker: that you need to copyright yourself so that if anyone uses your voice or your likeness yeah that you get compensated for that 100 i thought that was already a thing to be honest with you so i'm surprised to find out that it's not no not with ai no
Speaker: Yeah, as far as I'm aware, it's not.
Speaker: But you see what I mean?
Speaker: It's kind of growing and it's getting to the point where money's already being lost.
Speaker: And then obviously there can be more cases, say in the future, when AI becomes more dependent.
Speaker: A lot of people are probably dependent on it already, like using their Alexa to order their shopping.
Speaker: buy Viagra in Joe's case all those different kinds of things and eventually it's probably with more learning and everything like that it's going to get smarter and smarter and smarter and eventually we'll get to that point where it could probably if it decides nah I don't want to be the servant I want to be the master yeah we're in charge now if you don't like it well I'll stop your Viagra shipments and it's like no I can't live without my Viagra
Speaker: Oh, fuck.
Speaker: Oh, right.
Speaker: I guess.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, God.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Anyway, Joe, on to you.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Well, I'm going to mess with your minds here.
Speaker: Oh, not again.
Speaker: Fuck.
Speaker: Because what I'm going to be talking about today is not whether AI is going to take over, but whether or not it already has.
Speaker: Oh, God.
Speaker: So, my theory...
Speaker: is actually quite a popular one that quite a few big names do believe.
Speaker: Probably most famously Elon Musk.
Speaker: Oh, no, I know what you're going to say.
Speaker: And essentially what it is, is that we are in fact living in the simulation.
Speaker: We are AI.
Speaker: Everything around us is AI generated.
Speaker: It's like, so...
Speaker: At first read, I was like, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.
Speaker: But the more I started reading into it, the more I'm like, you know what?
Speaker: I'm on the fence about this now.
Speaker: I'm legitimately on the fence about this, and I haven't been about any other conspiracy that we've talked about so far.
Speaker: But this holds some weight.
Speaker: You're telling me my hollow earth theory didn't convince you at all?
Speaker: You can swing it.
Speaker: The one where I had one sentence of research?
Speaker: You're telling me it didn't convince you at all?
Speaker: liar so essentially the point that's made here right and i'm not going to explain this as well as many other people have but if humanity reached the point where it was able to develop ai in an ai world think of like a video game right that's so lifelike that you can't really tell the difference and that the ai generated people that live in it have um
Speaker: complete sentience and they don't even know that they're AI, right?
Speaker: I mean, why would they?
Speaker: They would just be living their lives like we are.
Speaker: I suppose so.
Speaker: And if that happens, then you've created essentially another universe.
Speaker: And within that universe, theoretically, the same thing would happen there where they would also create
Speaker: a new synthetic world and then it keeps going and going and going and going until you've got hundreds thousands maybe even millions of different worlds that have been made with only one of them being the real one that's a really interesting idea sorry i told you the same fuck out
Speaker: No, you didn't.
Speaker: I did.
Speaker: You simply recorded.
Speaker: Excuse me, but we're recording.
Speaker: Yeah, I did.
Speaker: I told him not to disturb because we're recording.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Anyway, so carrying on there.
Speaker: So you've got numerous worlds that have now been created and they're all AI generated.
Speaker: They're not the real, I believe what they call the prime universe.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So now, statistically, you've got one in 100, one in a thousand, maybe one in a million chances of actually being in the prime universe.
Speaker: So we stand more chance of actually being in a synthetic world than we do in a real one.
Speaker: That's the basis of the theory.
Speaker: There's a few little things that are brought up to explain, maybe some form of, to provide some form of evidence as to... I was going to say, how would you know?
Speaker: But then how would you also not know?
Speaker: Being...
Speaker: we never really could know could we if we were if it's designed to be perfect and if it is you would have to look for something very specific to find out it's not wouldn't you yeah well i mean it's kind of one of those things it's kind of one of those things like with with uh most religions right where you can't really prove or disprove it i suppose so yeah
Speaker: There are many things.
Speaker: So you would do, I suppose, in software testing, you do edge case testing, right?
Speaker: So you want to test a website form field.
Speaker: You might type in, you want to put someone's name in and you would just type in the person's name, Harry.
Speaker: But you could also then try putting a number in and see what happens and see if it breaks it.
Speaker: Try putting in 100 Zs and see if that breaks it.
Speaker: Try just putting a space in, see if that breaks it.
Speaker: You try these weird edge cases to see what happens, see if it breaks the bit of software.
Speaker: edge cases in our own universe things like black holes or high speed of light like those things go there, go there, the edges what happens to the coast beyond that's quite interesting that's probably the only way of really knowing right because if this world was created by some form of software then there are limitations there has to be limitations to the technology just open up google 7 times and the ram dissolve like god damn I'm using all my ram right now just for fucking google
Speaker: So usually one of the most common things that's explained to how they work beyond the limitations here, or sorry, within the limitations here, is when you think about it, the entire universe does not need to exist anymore.
Speaker: right now for us in this space.
Speaker: When we go somewhere, it's generated.
Speaker: Like when you're playing a video game, and you go into a new area, and it generates as you get there, right?
Speaker: Like procedural loading.
Speaker: We're going to the moon.
Speaker: Oh, make sure the moon's there.
Speaker: It generates.
Speaker: Like loading screens.
Speaker: Imagine if we did that.
Speaker: Imagine when we went up to the moon the first time, right?
Speaker: That's why it takes so long to get there.
Speaker: Loading screens.
Speaker: Loading and it comes up with little tips at the bottom.
Speaker: Little factual tips.
Speaker: You come back, you're all saying we made it to the moon.
Speaker: Hydration can help you make it through the day.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Like random tips that you don't need to know.
Speaker: Well, some points that people make that could be some form of evidence or at least alludes to the fact that this is true.
Speaker: The Mandela Effect.
Speaker: It's still one of those weird things.
Speaker: So the Mandela Effect is where people...
Speaker: in mass remember something that just did not happen.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: Yeah, so I think it's called the Mandela Effect because if I remember right, people believe that Mandela was dead.
Speaker: Is that what it was?
Speaker: I can't remember exactly.
Speaker: But they all believed he died in prison.
Speaker: They all remember it being on the news.
Speaker: It was a thing on the news saying that he died in prison.
Speaker: No one knows why millions of people think this because it wasn't true.
Speaker: And there's numerous other things from small to big.
Speaker: I mean, another common one that people bring up is the Monopoly Man.
Speaker: So many people remember him having a monocle.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Do you remember him having a monocle?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: You must be immune to the...
Speaker: Yeah, because he never did.
Speaker: I didn't tell you she had a molecule.
Speaker: I'd put money on it.
Speaker: Literally, Alex, you can Google Mandala effects and there are hundreds and hundreds of them.
Speaker: You'll be astonished by the amounts of things that you thought happened that just simply did not happen.
Speaker: Let's have a... Why does it... I look up Mandala effects and it comes off Amazon.
Speaker: Straight in.
Speaker: What?
Speaker: So how does the Mandela effect link to it?
Speaker: Well, perhaps the suggestion is that the Mandela effect is happening because there's some kind of limitations or error in the software.
Speaker: So people are misremembering stuff because they're being essentially programmed to misremember
Speaker: Like the kind of like deja vu with the cat in Matrix.
Speaker: Deja vu could be another example of this, right?
Speaker: Like you just remember.
Speaker: I swear I've experienced this before.
Speaker: So that's one potential thing.
Speaker: There's a few others.
Speaker: Another one is the fact that we have not discovered alien life.
Speaker: And most scientists would tell you that by now we should have.
Speaker: So it's becoming weirder and weirder that we just simply haven't.
Speaker: We've been able to view quite deep into the universe.
Speaker: Obviously, the universe is huge, but statistically, the chances of us being the only form of life out there is it's impossible that we are.
Speaker: So the more and more that we explore the universe, the more that we don't see life out there, the odder it gets.
Speaker: And perhaps that's simply because what we're seeing is simply what we're supposed to see, what we're being programmed to see.
Speaker: Yes, I suppose part of the problem, or at least some way you could explain that, is simply how old the light we're seeing currently is.
Speaker: So if there are other alien forms out there that perhaps even develop faster than we did, or are more advanced by now than we are,
Speaker: we won't have even seen them being started yet.
Speaker: We're still seeing perhaps their suns forming, let alone... Yeah, we're not taking into account... We're not taking into account time.
Speaker: That's how we're able to tell what it was like.
Speaker: We're able to... I saw this video.
Speaker: This is really cool.
Speaker: We're able to actually know what the beginning... Close to the beginning of the Big Bang actually looked like.
Speaker: Not all the way, but close.
Speaker: Because obviously light has to travel and the distance.
Speaker: We can see far out distant galaxies close to it and what they look like.
Speaker: And because obviously Big Bang and we expand out, and we're technically still expanding out, we can tell that in the past we used to be millions and millions and millions of years in the past.
Speaker: Super cool.
Speaker: I think Brian Cox did a piece on this and he said we'll never be able to see before the Big Bang, before that creation point, simply because the universe was so hot that the atoms couldn't form.
Speaker: So there were no, there was no light.
Speaker: There wasn't really anything.
Speaker: It was just a hot mass of light.
Speaker: plasma essentially so the universe would have been opaque there was no space for light to travel through there was no light to do anything with it was just this blob of plasma as the universe called almost instantaneously it hit a point where it wasn't a solid blob of plasma and that was a cool expand and suddenly there was light that whole idea of that light right happened and that is as far back as we'll ever see
Speaker: Talking about light here as well, this is another thing that people say is an explanation for why the world that we're in, or the universe that we're in, is simulated.
Speaker: Because there is a built-in limitation, and that is the speed of light.
Speaker: We don't seem to be able to have anything go beyond the speed of light.
Speaker: And is that the limitation of our programming here?
Speaker: I feel like that's because of terminal velocity and stuff.
Speaker: Something can only go so fast because of its mass and that.
Speaker: Can it?
Speaker: But then, like, massless, right?
Speaker: It has no mass, but it still has a max speed.
Speaker: I suppose so, but I guess other factors would come into it, like resistance and stuff like that.
Speaker: The speed of light is still very much an enigma.
Speaker: Well, maybe whoever it was that chucked that beam of light got tired and was like, oh, you know what, fuck, I'm only going to give it half strength.
Speaker: I went...
Speaker: And it only got that far because he was like, you know what, I can't be asked to do anymore.
Speaker: Maybe that's why.
Speaker: Another reason that people bring up here is paranormal activity.
Speaker: Perhaps... So the ghost chucked the beam of light, did it?
Speaker: No, but perhaps we're talking about... Perhaps we're talking about various simulated universes that are...
Speaker: programming issues, if you will.
Speaker: Things are getting a little melded together there, and what you're seeing is not a ghost, but it is in fact someone else, or something else.
Speaker: God damn it, Dave!
Speaker: You forgot to set the fucking max speed on light!
Speaker: Fucking idiot!
Speaker: Look at them!
Speaker: Now there's humans on that planet!
Speaker: Look what you've done!
Speaker: Bell end!
Speaker: Yeah, you've given Earth fleas.
Speaker: Define your variables or define your constants in your software up top.
Speaker: Although some memory leaks, you don't allow for stack overflows, things like that.
Speaker: That's why Google takes so much RAM.
Speaker: Yeah, that's why.
Speaker: Didn't optimize it.
Speaker: Didn't optimize it.
Speaker: That's why some people can't see very well.
Speaker: They weren't optimized.
Speaker: Not up to Windows 11, you know.
Speaker: They just... It's a lot of universe early access.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's what the dinosaurs were, early access to Earth.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Beta testers.
Speaker: Alpha testers.
Speaker: We're beta testing.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Earth 1.0.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: See?
Speaker: Look, you're proving... I'm on board.
Speaker: I'm on board.
Speaker: Fucking Alpha Testers.
Speaker: Man, I can't wait for the DLC to come out.
Speaker: The DLC is when the aliens finally arrive.
Speaker: Yeah, Alien Invasion DLC.
Speaker: EA would be on that in a second.
Speaker: Oh, my days.
Speaker: God, that is... Oh, man.
Speaker: I was fully bought into that.
Speaker: That was rude.
Speaker: Fucking AR-Petester, man.
Speaker: Jesus Christ.
Speaker: I mean, to be fair here as well, I think I have to bring up one thing that I feel... The more I was researching into this, watching videos, reading articles and stuff, there's one thing that makes me feel like it might not be true.
Speaker: And that's if we're talking about statistically, if there's so many universes out there that have been simulated, then we have more chance of being in one of them than we do in the original universe.
Speaker: But how do you know?
Speaker: So I get that.
Speaker: But if that's the case, why have we in our current universe not created this level of technology?
Speaker: Why are we still not there?
Speaker: It's because we haven't been optimized, man.
Speaker: I'll tell you.
Speaker: We haven't been optimized.
Speaker: Not enough RAM.
Speaker: The only explanation is that we would have to be the very last one.
Speaker: Like the newest.
Speaker: The most recent.
Speaker: Not one of the other ones.
Speaker: Right, yes.
Speaker: Yeah, which is equally as likely.
Speaker: How do you know we're not?
Speaker: Unlikely.
Speaker: But does that not then put us in a 50-50?
Speaker: Not in like a one in a million situation.
Speaker: I'm still confused.
Speaker: I don't understand.
Speaker: How do you know we are though?
Speaker: How do you know we are?
Speaker: That's how it's a mindfuck, man.
Speaker: You can't be on like probability because there's a probability I'm a fucking dinosaur and eventually it's got to be one in a million.
Speaker: So how do you know I'm not?
Speaker: Maybe I'm a fucking T-Rex.
Speaker: How do you know?
Speaker: Because you know you're not a dinosaur, man.
Speaker: I don't.
Speaker: I don't.
Speaker: I could be a stegosaurus if I wanted to.
Speaker: I mean, you can certainly identify as a dinosaur.
Speaker: Oh, we're not going into that debate.
Speaker: But, biologically, you're not a dinosaur.
Speaker: You know that.
Speaker: That's been proven.
Speaker: We know we're humans.
Speaker: What you don't know, if we are in the simulation, is when it was turned on, right?
Speaker: Big Bang.
Speaker: No, we don't.
Speaker: So that raises the question of human history.
Speaker: Like,
Speaker: right are we simply believing what we've been programmed to believe happens and that our universe has only recently come into existence if this goes any further i'm going to find the off simulation that might begin to explain things like mandala effects misremembering information there's nothing
Speaker: Just dump it into a text file.
Speaker: Yeah, but Alex, there's nothing proving that we're not.
Speaker: Yeah, but there's nothing proving that... But there's nothing proving that we're not.
Speaker: Stop.
Speaker: No, because if you think about it... Oh, you could say that about anything!
Speaker: That's the beauty of it, man.
Speaker: No, it's confusing of it.
Speaker: Joe, why do you always have to pick the most confusing ones that hurt my head when I try to think about it?
Speaker: My head hurts, bro.
Speaker: I'm trying to think.
Speaker: I'm trying to be open-minded.
Speaker: I'm trying to think about the simulation.
Speaker: How do you know we're not?
Speaker: But how do you know we are?
Speaker: But how do you know we're not?
Speaker: But how do you know we're not?
Speaker: There's probability.
Speaker: And I'm like,
Speaker: Your developer just like... I'm going to develop a simulation in my mind in a minute.
Speaker: All I'm saying is that if you start to believe that the idea of a simulated world is possible, that that's a form of technology that we will be able to develop one day.
Speaker: So you're telling me I'm in like a game of Minecraft right now?
Speaker: But if you believe that can happen...
Speaker: then theoretically, we spend more chance of being in that world than we do in the one that we think we're in.
Speaker: Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker: My favourite confusion.
Speaker: I love that.
Speaker: I'm still confused, but you know what?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Good job.
Speaker: I don't understand.
Speaker: Harry, now that you're going to have to choose, I've got to say two negative things about both of our theories here.
Speaker: No, you have to say two negative about mine.
Speaker: Neither of our topics that we've put forward are actually conspiracy theories about the AI uprising.
Speaker: Mine is about the fact that we already are AI.
Speaker: Yours, Alex, is not even really a conspiracy.
Speaker: It's just a legitimate thing that is happening.
Speaker: I suppose so.
Speaker: But it could happen.
Speaker: The probability that we are, that we are, but not in the simulation, maybe that's what's programming to be.
Speaker: You don't know.
Speaker: Joe, you've already just listed my gripes.
Speaker: Well, my main gripes were both.
Speaker: Um, both conspiracy theories that we put forward.
Speaker: Uh,
Speaker: I had facts.
Speaker: Alex really put... There was some great, insightful conversation that came out of the points you raised.
Speaker: I thoroughly enjoyed that conversation and I could have carried that over much longer than we've got today.
Speaker: Thank you.
Speaker: Thank you.
Speaker: I think I was asked to decide on the most entertaining and spiritual theory.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Which one... I mean, if you want a believability to come into it, I suppose you can, but...
Speaker: technically alexis one oh yeah it's basically facts so what you're looking at really is which one entertains you more economic takeover by ai robots that sound like mr craps what's not entertaining about that or car weezer if you really wanted to uh man yes right right and the things we just got that w as a fantastic conversation and i happily carry on if you have me back um yeah
Speaker: Joe, you went in strong with one of my favorite.
Speaker: It's British Theories out there and delivered it wonderfully.
Speaker: Thank you.
Speaker: Yeah, thank you, man.
Speaker: Again, this was a great conversation we had there.
Speaker: I think I'm going to give the point to Joe.
Speaker: God damn it!
Speaker: I even had the tinfoil hat on everything!
Speaker: I can't win one!
Speaker: God damn it!
Speaker: Yeah, man, it was genuinely close.
Speaker: Alex can't hear me.
Speaker: Fucking nothing.
Speaker: He'll compose himself in a minute.
Speaker: We'll let Alex get back in the game.
Speaker: He's getting there.
Speaker: Here he is.
Speaker: He's back.
Speaker: Are you all right, Alex?
Speaker: Yeah, fine.
Speaker: I think one thing I do have to say here, Alex, is this is... Last two episodes we've done, you've come very close.
Speaker: Like, when we started...
Speaker: But like the first couple of episodes, you were coming out there with like, what was it?
Speaker: The first one, the first one you just like, there was at least one of them where your notes was just one sentence.
Speaker: Yeah, that was the second episode.
Speaker: That's up now of time recorded.
Speaker: If you've seen it already, go rewatch it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: No, I literally came with one sentence.
Speaker: I did not prepare at all.
Speaker: I'm not going to lie.
Speaker: So you are improving.
Speaker: Yeah, but do you want to know a little secret about this one, Joe?
Speaker: I didn't prepare at all for this one.
Speaker: I'm not going to lie, I just spoke out my ass the whole fucking time.
Speaker: So maybe.
Speaker: I'm not saying it's not facts, because as we discussed, it is.
Speaker: But my original plan was to discuss Elon Musk and Neuralink.
Speaker: And have that be like AI takeover.
Speaker: And then this morning I woke up and I was like, fuck that.
Speaker: We could have had a double Musk.
Speaker: could have had a double must but I saw I was I was going through TikTok in the morning and I was like oh and I saw a bunch of information about the strikes and I was like oh shit I I'm in I'm involved in the industry yeah I kind of yeah let's do that it's a poignant thing to bring up at the moment yeah solid and like it's very surprising you do a brilliant job just I guess yeah in the future just wrapping into a tighter like I don't do I don't do that which is fine it's not my style
Speaker: best of luck winning.
Speaker: This is why you lost the last one as well.
Speaker: You took quite a while to get to the point, I felt.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I've nothing yet.
Speaker: You're right.
Speaker: You're getting there.
Speaker: The positive is you're getting there.
Speaker: You're improving.
Speaker: I want to win!
Speaker: Next episode.
Speaker: I suppose we should also probably say what the next episode is also going to be.
Speaker: Shouldn't we?
Speaker: Well, no, because we haven't we haven't actually I haven't definitely won.
Speaker: Have we?
Speaker: Have I?
Speaker: I can't speak.
Speaker: It's all to play for still.
Speaker: We've got some questions.
Speaker: Let's see if I can actually win one of the questions.
Speaker: So you might still come back from this.
Speaker: You might win this episode.
Speaker: I've got a few questions, guys.
Speaker: Fire one at us.
Speaker: Let's see.
Speaker: I'm going to go in with... I guess you can both buzz in for these ones.
Speaker: I've got one that's just an answer.
Speaker: I'm going to be really nice about this, Alex.
Speaker: I'm going to let you have the first...
Speaker: first chance to answer.
Speaker: I'm not going to butt in and be like, oh, I know this one.
Speaker: I probably won't know it anyway.
Speaker: Neither will I, but it'll be fun.
Speaker: Cool.
Speaker: We'll start.
Speaker: Alex.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: In relation to AI and robotics, what is the Uncanny Valley?
Speaker: The what?
Speaker: The Uncanny Valley.
Speaker: Can you repeat that question?
Speaker: Sorry.
Speaker: Yes, of course I can.
Speaker: I'm so sorry, guys.
Speaker: In relation to AI and robotics, what is the uncanny valley?
Speaker: Got a question.
Speaker: Can I use Google?
Speaker: Because I'm not going to have no fucking idea.
Speaker: Hardcore feels like cheating.
Speaker: What if I use, like, Safari then?
Speaker: Or Firefox?
Speaker: ChatGPT.
Speaker: chat to you.
Speaker: What if I use chat to you?
Speaker: I'm not going to lie to you.
Speaker: I've never heard of that before.
Speaker: Alex, in the theme of this episode, you can ask Alexa.
Speaker: Alexa!
Speaker: Alexa!
Speaker: You better get this point, man.
Speaker: Alexa!
Speaker: She's totally insane about her.
Speaker: The AI has turned against you again.
Speaker: Alexa!
Speaker: Alexa!
Speaker: fuck it, I'm going to throw the cylinder out.
Speaker: It's not fucking working.
Speaker: I've never heard of the Uncanny Valley before.
Speaker: I don't... Yes.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: That's a strong answer.
Speaker: Come on, man.
Speaker: I have no idea.
Speaker: Think Uncanny Valley.
Speaker: What comes to mind?
Speaker: At least give it an answer.
Speaker: If it's wrong, it's wrong.
Speaker: Spitball, throw something at me.
Speaker: I don't know, a place where robots go on holiday to.
Speaker: A place where robots go on holiday.
Speaker: That's wild.
Speaker: I don't know, man.
Speaker: I just think of a valley.
Speaker: And I'm like, oh.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Strong.
Speaker: But I am interested to learn what it is.
Speaker: I'm not 100% certain that I know what this is, actually.
Speaker: It's something I've heard of.
Speaker: I've never queried it enough to be like, so what are you talking about?
Speaker: I'd sort of go, yes, I absolutely agree.
Speaker: But am I correct in thinking that it might be something to do with when things look so close to human, but not quite?
Speaker: There's something about it where you're like, nah, that doesn't look right.
Speaker: good he's good he's got it yes there's how the fuck do you know that if you are the valley comes from the like sort of the curve in the graph right um right and you go from okay this thing looks absolutely like a robot uh it's just uh it's like actual an actual piece of machinery right
Speaker: like a desktop computer or a factory.
Speaker: Some of those things actually just look like robot parts.
Speaker: And on the other side of the spectrum is a human, a real-life person who looks like a real-life person.
Speaker: There's a weird creepiness where you go from...
Speaker: like a machine to looking like a human and you just start bringing androids into it and these kind of there's a lady robot give me two seconds this is science shit oh I know that when you're talking about it it's a perfect example of uncanny belly yes creepy what
Speaker: So the Android will sort of do things really close to human, but not in quite the right way.
Speaker: Like facial expressions that are slightly off.
Speaker: That's a big part of it.
Speaker: Speech patterns that are just slightly off.
Speaker: You'll see in video games, in some of the 2000s video games,
Speaker: faces weren't quite right and so a lot of the way a lot of companies got around this and studios got around it was heavily stylizing the game using like cell shading techniques and because then you can actually get away with and like animated characters and draw them in a way like um like how oblivion characters look
Speaker: Yes, Oblivion is a Grey Zone in Uncanny Valley, right?
Speaker: It looks a little bit like, okay, that's a person, but... Like they're really stretched out faces.
Speaker: Yeah, textures kind of just moulded around the potato-shaped face.
Speaker: That's the Uncanny Valley, right?
Speaker: All that really leaves now, then, is for us to... Well, for me, to get to decide what our last episode's going to be about.
Speaker: And the next episode is episode six, and that's going to be the last episode for the season.
Speaker: Yeah, we decided that, didn't we?
Speaker: For this last episode, I feel like we need to talk about something dead to my heart.
Speaker: And that's why I want us to do conspiracy theories about Nick Cage.
Speaker: Oh, of course!
Speaker: Of course!
Speaker: Oh, I know a few of these.
Speaker: I know a few of these.
Speaker: Maybe I wouldn't know Nick Cage.
Speaker: Well, that would be the ultimate back side, wouldn't it, if I won on your favorite thing?
Speaker: That would be.
Speaker: That would be.
Speaker: That would be quite the twist, wouldn't it?
Speaker: That would be amazing.
Speaker: I'll absolutely be tuning in for that.
Speaker: I'd have to... I'll have to sort of renounce my love of Nick Cage if I lose that episode, really.
Speaker: Nick Cage, you better tune in.
Speaker: A lot's on the line here.
Speaker: Lots of steak.
Speaker: Can we get Nick Cage?
Speaker: Do you reckon it's possible?
Speaker: I'm sure we can.
Speaker: Send him an email and be like, hey, man, look.
Speaker: I know you don't know us and shit, but...
