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Ep 143: All's Quiet
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Even though things are quiet, we still catch up on the recent rumors of games that are coming out soon. We talk Stern rumors, Alice in Wonderland, the most up to date Haggis info.
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Introduction and Episode Announcement
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Thanks for tuning into the loser kid pinball podcast.
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We are on episode one 43.
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I am Josh Roop with me.
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My co-captain as always Scott Larson.
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Yes, I didn't screw it up this time.
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Yes.
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Finally.
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Guess what?
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Guess what I saw on the net today, Scott?
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What did you see?
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Josh?
Funhouse Remakes and Buying Tips
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I saw those beautiful new fun house remakes coming in from Prendreddy to our good friends.
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Head ready.
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Head ready.
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head ready, not, not pinned ready.
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I know, but it sounds so much better.
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It really does.
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It really, you need to change your name.
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I think it does.
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Change your name.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's an Italian thing.
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I don't know.
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Uh, but Zach and Nicole got some of them in today.
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Zach has made a video on the gameplay.
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And I mean, honestly, okay.
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I might not be a fan of the Ellie artwork.
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That's subjective.
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That's entirely me, but these games look great.
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They look fun.
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Yeah.
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I'm hearing wonderful reports from the first, uh, first buyers.
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Um,
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this is what you want in a company that's starting up.
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Right.
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And plus we'll get into the Haggis stuff a little bit later, but if you've been watching the Kerry Hardy videos and stuff like that, flipping out has backed their customers so well.
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A lot of these people took a gamble and really didn't lose because Zach Nicole has lost a
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it was like $90,000 is what nap arcade was reporting just for them.
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It could be more.
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It could, it could be more.
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That's certainly speculation, but this is one of the reasons why going through a distributor like flipping out is to your advantage.
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Yes.
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Because you have an advocate for you and,
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with the manufacturer if you go straight through the manufacturer you really don't have that and we're going to get into um what uh what zach did zach and greg at flipping out did for our friend doug um but definitely if you're going to get something go to flipping out buy something i actually ordered the godzilla not the jiles the godzilla 70th
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edition for my friend.
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So we're hooking them up and I'm really interested to see how it is in person.
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I agree, man.
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And you know what?
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Seriously,
Listener Engagement and Personal Updates
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hit them up.
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Their website is flipping out.com.
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They got their phone number there.
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I like to message Zach directly off of messenger, but it sounds like if you have any issues, you can give them a call directly or even text them.
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So hit them up, Zach and Nicole, many, and like you said, Greg bone, those are our people.
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We got plenty of stuff on the list today.
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I know there hasn't been a ton of news.
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We got some speculation.
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We obviously want to get into the Haggis stuff.
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Before we get into the Haggis stuff, though, it's kind of...
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Let's do a quick update because I want to say thank you to those who reached out to me.
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We record the episode on Pioneer Day, which for those that don't know in Utah, the 24th of July is when the pioneers came across the plains and said, this is the place.
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They entered into the valley.
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Yes, they entered.
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That's when they entered into the valley.
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Okay.
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Sorry.
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Then Brigham Young had said later on that this is the place and this is where we're staying.
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but it's funny because
Entertainment and Speculation on New Pinball Themes
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that isn't our first time like recording on Pioneer Day and then I totally spaced yeah I totally spaced like the next day that it's my birthday I didn't say anything because like honestly we had Shane told on from Silverstein which dude is amazing Shane's great yeah awesome dude and check out his check out his podcast too lead singer syndrome yes or his music Silverstein absolutely but it was funny because I was going to mention that and then I didn't and then like
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like two in the morning i have like like do not disturb turned on to like seven so as soon as seven hits my phone's like hey by the way you have all these notifications i have like 50 something by time my wife's like shut your phone off but thank you thank you to everyone who reached out and said uh happy birthday it was very nice and very generous of you all right and so we went to deadpool and wolverine
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Okay, I didn't, but you did.
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I did.
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Which is funny because I was telling Scott, I haven't been in an R-rated movie in the theater since the very first Jackass came out, which was like, I was 16 and I just turned 37, so 21 years ago.
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I just don't watch much R-rated content.
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It's not your thing.
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It's not your thing.
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It's fine.
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It's very hit or miss.
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But I'm actually watching Ted Lasso right now.
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If you're not watching that, that is good stuff.
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Yeah.
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But
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Deadpool and Wolverine was fantastic.
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I'm excited because we were talking with George Gomez.
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Remember we did, we did this live during that interview and he did not shoot down the idea of a Deadpool Wolverine move.
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No, man, that would be so good.
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And by the way, I'm taking full credit for it because I'm the one who said, Hey, there's a one coming out.
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You can get the, the, the double feature.
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Someone needs to get a whole Ryan Reynolds because if he gets involved with the project, it's happening.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Absolutely.
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We should get Ryan Reynolds involved.
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If you get Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman, I mean, obviously there's a price tag there.
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But the dude, like, Ryan Reynolds paid to have the Bea Arthur t-shirt in the Deadpool movie.
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I don't know if you know that.
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So anybody who knows Ryan Reynolds, just blast him out.
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Tell him that we need to make this happen because we want the Deadpool Wolverine pinball machine.
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Maybe we should
Media and Pinball Crossovers
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just hit him up on X now or something like that.
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There you go.
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Yeah.
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But fantastic.
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And you know what's funny too?
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I don't know if you... I sent this to you when we were... It's been a couple of weeks, but Comic-Con happened and Keanu Reeves is playing John Wick.
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Yeah.
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And he's like, when did this come out?
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He was kind of like,
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What, what did this happen?
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Yeah.
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It's so funny because I really, most artists are kind of detached from the marketing standpoint.
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Yeah.
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So it, it is interesting.
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I would, I would think that a pinball machine would be a bigger deal than a lunchbox, but you know, maybe, maybe not.
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But it's funny, too, because I don't know if you listen to the most recent Slam Till.
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It just came out yesterday.
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But they were talking about this.
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And he's like, they likened it unto Johnny Depp with Nightmare on Elm Street.
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And when they did the next, they did the reboot or whatever.
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They reached out to the original cast except for Johnny Depp because they thought, well, he's such a big actor now.
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He wanted to be a part of it.
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And then when the movie came out, Johnny Depp's like, I would have loved to have been a part of this.
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You should have hit me up.
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I would have made this work, you know.
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Yeah, there's a lot of assumptions going on with what artists want.
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Some artists are a pain in the butt.
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Others are nice.
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Well, that's what I loved about having Shane on.
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He kind of gave us a peek behind the curtain with music artists and stuff, right?
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It's like, not what you know, but who you know kind of situation.
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If you got their phone number, you can more than likely just make it work.
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It's not a big deal, you know?
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So...
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A lot of times it's getting through the agent paywall, so to speak.
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Yeah.
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It's the gatekeeping, right?
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And I do understand because otherwise they would be inundated by everything.
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So I get it, but there is like a coolness factor with a lot of stuff with pinball.
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That's what I think.
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I agree.
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But it was great to see Keanu on a pinball machine playing John Wick.
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That was fun.
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That was pretty awesome.
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Yeah.
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Um, what, what have you, what's been going on?
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I keep jumping around.
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Sorry, Scott, what's been going on with you?
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What's what you've been up to?
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Um, okay.
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So we, we, we have two cats and we got a kitten for my daughter.
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And I've never appreciated how feral established cats can be when you introduce a kitten into the mix.
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We've had to have our cats separated for like a week and a half.
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So if anyone has any suggestions, we've slowly tried to integrate them, but it's hilarious because they are usually the chillest cats, but they have gone after each other.
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Oh my goodness.
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Yeah.
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We're tough.
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Let's see.
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What else?
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Friend, friend of the show, Garrett.
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He's one of my local buddies.
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He called me and he was going to be trading his stranger things, which I'm kind of disappointed because he, he buys games and he blings them all up.
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Oh yeah.
Pinball Machine Trading and Preferences
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I can powder coat.
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We're talking extra stuff.
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Yep.
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And I was really excited to see a stranger things, but he turns over games like every two months.
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And so he was selling them.
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Now go with me on this.
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This is what he said he could get.
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So it was his powder coated, really nice stranger things premium.
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And he called me and he made three options.
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And then you can tell me which one you would do.
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And I'd tell you which one I told him to do and which one he did.
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Okay.
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So one option was dialed in LE.
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Okay.
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The other option was turtles premium.
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Okay.
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And the other option was, okay, I'm kind of blowing it because I don't remember what the other option was.
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Oh, what was it?
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Controls premium and, okay, it was one other, but I can't remember exactly which one it was.
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But I told him dialed in.
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Because it was like, actually, I just don't see that like dialed in is a different type game turtles.
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And it was a premium.
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I said, I own turtles premium.
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And the problem is I found it way too hard and the glider was unreliable on mine.
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So it really soured my taste.
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And, uh, and so he got some money back and he got it, but he was really worried because he has a really narrow entrance to his basement.
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And so I just said, show me proof of life.
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If you actually get it downstairs, he has a basement that like, can't even have toppers in it because the ceiling's so low.
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Okay.
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Did you see that people with the labyrinth that bought the topper?
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And so they actually cut up between the joy space and then like dry walled it.
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So that way the topper, you know what, whatever.
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Good for you.
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Make the house your own, right?
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You know, modify your basement, modify your pinball machine, modify your basement.
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If they ever sell the house, you're going to be like, what's this hole?
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Just this random hole right here.
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Rando hole.
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Yeah, man.
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Okay, I'm really blanking on what the other one was, but the other one was a game that I was like, I just don't see that sticking around your collection very long.
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It sounds like you picked... I'm not going to lie.
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I enjoyed Turtles Pro.
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I think it's the better one out of the two.
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I told him that too.
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I would go with Pro.
Personal Health Journey and Speculation on New Releases
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Yeah, the premiums, it's subpar.
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And it's funny that you say that because Joel and Jared did a flipping out stream where they did a you make your own tier list.
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And everyone agreed with mine except for Turtles was like... So it was like S rank.
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So if you're into video games, S rank is like the perfect rank.
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Then A through D. And then like...
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like there was a never played.
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Right.
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And so I had turtles at a and bond at D. Yeah.
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I didn't agree.
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I didn't agree with that.
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So they, they're like, you're right up until turtles and bond.
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And like, if you flip those two, you'd have a perfect list.
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And I was like, well, yeah, these are subjective.
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So, but it's good to know that like,
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apparently I need to play bond.
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If someone's got a bond out there that they want me, just can let me borrow for like a month or two so I can get used to it.
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They all love the game.
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Maybe I will, but I just, I haven't had enough time and the experiences that I have had weren't great.
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So, um, yeah, it's, uh,
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okay, bond is, is fine.
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And if you really like the theme, it is a fine, it's a fine integration for the theme.
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Bond is not really a huge theme for me.
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So that, that's why I didn't, I didn't really jump in.
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Hey, we've talked about it, right?
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You kind of want to, you do, you don't kind of, you do want a connection with the theme of the game because that's part of what draws you into the storyline, which is partly why I connect with iron maiden and other people do not because I like the theme.
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Yep.
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Oh, and one random note.
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So I've lost like 12 pounds in the last 10 days.
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Good for you.
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Okay.
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Intentionally?
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Intentionally, yes.
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So I'm doing the whole no sugar, very little carbs, mostly just meat and veggies kind of thing, you know, and fruit.
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Okay, that's fine.
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Speaker
Eventually, like, that's not super sustainable, just FYI.
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Yeah.
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Well, I'm not being very – I had a slice of pizza yesterday.
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You know what I'm saying?
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It's not all just – I know it's not super sustainable, but I'm having some carbs here and there, but I'm –
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watching my carbs versus like having half a pizza all to myself.
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You know what I'm saying?
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And just in case you're wondering, Josh is a sexy beast.
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Well, thank you.
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So, so I was doing really good till Monday hit and I got the stomach bug and I was like, Oh great.
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I did lose weight then though.
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But then the next couple of days I was like, I need carbs.
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So, yeah, no, it's a, yeah, no, it's kind of fun, but yeah, that's anyway.
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Well, good for you.
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Good for you.
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Well, thank you.
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Healthy choices.
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I figure my family's got diabetes in it.
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I should probably learn to regulate my sugars as is.
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You know what I'm saying?
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It's better to regulate and have sugar for the rest of my life than to binge now and not be able to have it later.
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You know what I'm saying?
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I get it.
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Actually,
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I started taking my health a lot more seriously when I got in my 40s.
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And it's kind of an occupational hazard because I see so many people who get in their 50s and 60s who in 70s who just did not invest in their health.
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And so that was really what, you know, so I've been doing that for about the past five to seven years.
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Gotcha.
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But good times.
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All right.
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So now you're healthy.
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You're fit.
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You're you're able to lug pinball machines around more and you're ready to go.
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You know what?
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Okay.
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What are we talking about this week?
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Let's talk about.
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So I'm hearing I'm hearing a pretty solid rumor.
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Do I want to quote it as a rumor?
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Speaker
I'm hearing the new Metallica that's coming out, whether it be this month or next month or next year.
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Premium only.
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I hear that we're getting a premium only.
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Speaker
And I hear this cooking a little more and more as reliable sources have been talking to me about it.
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So...
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Speaker
What are your thoughts on that, Scott?
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Speaker
That makes sense.
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Speaker
On a vault edition, you're not going to go through the whole pro premium LE options.
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Because what's going to happen is you're doing a vault.
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You're basically re-releasing something that has demand.
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Speaker
You also, one...
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They made the mistake with Jurassic Park and they fixed it with Jaws where they released the Jurassic Park 30th edition, which was an LE.
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So it did tick off the LE buyers.
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Oh, okay.
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Mando.
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Speaker
You mean with Godzilla?
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Yeah.
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Sorry.
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Oh, by the way, Mandalorian premium was the other option.
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And I told him, I think I like the pro better.
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So that's, no, it was Mandalorian LE.
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And I was like, I would choose dialed in.
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So that was me.
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Um, yeah.
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So with the, with the 30th of Jurassic park, they really did tick off a lot of people.
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So having that option of saying, okay, we are going to do a premium product and the whole point of having a pro so you can sell them on location.
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That really is.
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And with these vault additions, there's a billion Metallicas out there and they don't want to invest a lot of resources into two tearing it.
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It makes sense to me just to make a premium version of it.
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Well, it makes sense to me because when they usually vault something, they usually vault one.
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Like you said, they don't use two-tier.
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When they did a Spider-Man vault, there was no pro and pre.
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It was just Spider-Man.
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Well, okay.
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There weren't.
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Okay.
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Spider-Man didn't really.
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Spider-Man just had the Black Edition and the Standard Edition.
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Okay.
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Remember that?
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And the Black Edition just had a different back glass.
00:16:11
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Yeah, but like Metallica, the only difference is the hammer.
00:16:14
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There's not much difference between the Pro and the Media.
00:16:17
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So it's like, why make a two-tiered system when you know people would more than likely gravitate towards the Pro?
00:16:24
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There's not much difference, and there's a pretty good price gap.
00:16:27
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Like, you're not going to pay $2,500 for a hammer that knocks the ball into the play field.
00:16:32
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Yeah.
00:16:34
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There's so many pros out there.
00:16:36
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that if you want to get the older version, you can get a Metallica Pro.
00:16:42
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Yeah.
00:16:43
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So, and it's gotta be worth their time money wise.
00:16:46
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And maybe, I guess you could argue like, well, they'd sell thousands of pros and so it'd be worth their time.
00:16:51
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I don't know.
00:16:52
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So, but that's just what I'm hearing.
00:16:54
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I'm hearing that, that, and honestly it's gotten so quiet.
00:17:00
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Usually gets this quiet when we're about to ready to have a release.
00:17:05
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I haven't called the stern factory.
00:17:07
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I don't know if someone has.
00:17:08
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If you call and ask for a tour and they say, sorry, we're shut down for the next two weeks or something like that, you know, they're building them.
00:17:14
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So, you know, you're within two weeks of, of seeing it.
00:17:17
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I'm not telling you to go do that.
00:17:19
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I'm just saying that's, that's what they told us on the Stern factory tour.
00:17:23
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Cause we did see Deadpool's on the line, at least the, at least the release that they made last Friday, they were making Deadpool's that, that week.
00:17:33
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Well, and they can run different things on, I mean, I guess they probably would just run both lines full bore or they got three lines there now, right?
00:17:42
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I can't remember.
00:17:43
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I think so.
00:17:43
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I'd have to check for sure too.
00:17:45
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There might be a third.
00:17:46
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Anyhow.
00:17:48
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It was hard to tell because when we went, John Wick was everywhere.
00:17:52
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Yeah.
00:17:52
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And so that's all they were making is they were making the LEs.
00:17:55
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So it was hard to, it was really hard for me to delineate where the lines broke up.
00:18:00
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Yeah.
00:18:01
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So let's talk Cornerstone.
00:18:03
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I'm hearing X-Men 97.
00:18:05
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Like that's where all the smoke's coming from.
00:18:09
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I'm still hearing Pokemon.
00:18:12
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But here's my thing.
00:18:14
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I really think danger's on Pokemon if that is the case.
00:18:17
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And I think Borg is on X-Men.
00:18:20
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And the reason I say that is because I don't see them putting Borg on a Pokemon game.
00:18:25
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Because I don't see Borg being a Pokemon kind of guy.
00:18:29
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Yeah.
00:18:30
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And, and they usually really, I don't see Elwin being a Pokemon kind of guy.
00:18:34
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And I don't really see Eddie being a Pokemon.
00:18:36
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So really the only person who would care about that theme would be Jack danger.
00:18:41
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Yeah.
00:18:42
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And I think he's got, and that's the thing too, is, is they actually ask their designers, like we have this license who wants to do it.
00:18:49
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And so they've actually dropped licenses because it's not resonated with anyone.
00:18:53
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It's just not like they're jammed.
00:18:55
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And so I don't know.
00:18:57
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That's the other thing too.
00:18:58
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I'm hearing that like, I mean, nap arcade said that like Ellen's next game is King Kong, which makes sense.
00:19:05
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Like we talked about him being the monster guys, monster guy, but is that all we're going to see from Ellen from here on out is just monsters.
00:19:12
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Like,
00:19:13
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I don't know.
00:19:15
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Leviathan's coming out next.
00:19:17
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Oh, okay.
00:19:20
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So, I don't know.
00:19:21
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There's some juicy tidbits for you.
00:19:23
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Okay, if you had your choice for Metallica, would you want a premium version or would you rather have a pro version?
00:19:32
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I'd rather have a pro.
00:19:34
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Okay.
00:19:35
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I think.
00:19:36
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It depends on what this is.
00:19:38
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But here's the thing.
00:19:39
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The thing to remember is...
00:19:42
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The one thing they do with the vault additions, and this is a little different version.
00:19:48
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And again, this is all speculation, but it seems to be an open secret by now that this is happening.
00:19:55
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This is not necessarily a vault.
00:19:57
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This is almost like a vault 2.0.
00:19:58
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Yeah.
00:19:59
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Yeah.
00:20:00
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So there's going to be some changes.
00:20:02
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We know in
Challenges in the Pinball Industry
00:20:03
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Vault Editions, they go through and they look at the machine, find the weak points, find the things that aren't working super well, and they update them.
00:20:11
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So the main issue with the hammer was it wasn't that reliable.
00:20:16
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It was kind of a pain, and it inhibited the flow, and therefore the people like the Pro better.
00:20:25
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So I'm guessing they took a look at that and figured out a way to fix or reincorporate the hammer.
00:20:31
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And so it actually flows better in the game.
00:20:34
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Well, it's hard too.
00:20:35
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Cause like if they got a bunch of concert footage and they actually have an LCD versus a DMD, I know that's appealing to some people.
00:20:43
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I just, there's a lot more.
00:20:44
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It's like, it's hard to compare.
00:20:45
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It's almost apples and oranges at this point.
00:20:47
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It's not just an art package.
00:20:49
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Like I'm not gonna lie.
00:20:51
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I probably would have got a Godzilla, Godzilla 70th.
00:20:54
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If my game wasn't as modded as it is, like if I don't want to tear those all out to put it into a new game.
00:21:00
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I would have got up Godzilla myself, a 70 myself, except my, my wife saw it.
00:21:05
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And I, when I sent out the post, I'm like, Hey, what do you guys think?
00:21:09
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And she said, they both look nice.
00:21:11
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I prefer the color.
00:21:13
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So, and I've heard the game is amazing.
00:21:16
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I've heard it's come in and it just, it's beautiful.
00:21:19
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I've seen the deal of it.
00:21:20
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I'm going to see it because my friend's getting it.
00:21:22
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So we're, we're going to set it up and I will definitely give you an, an eyes only update.
00:21:27
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Okay.
00:21:29
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Let's move on to a haggis since I've got that next to my list.
00:21:32
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I kind of want to get them out of the way.
00:21:33
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Yeah.
00:21:35
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Okay.
00:21:37
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Okay.
00:21:38
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I will say go and watch the Carrie Hardy video.
00:21:42
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Yeah.
00:21:42
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He he's, he's going to be doing multiple,
00:21:46
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editions of it.
00:21:48
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And it does talk about a few issues in that.
00:21:52
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But what I do want to talk about is Josh, now that we know a little bit more of Haggis, what is your gut feeling?
00:21:59
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What is your take on this?
00:22:01
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What questions do you have too?
00:22:03
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I want to know that.
00:22:04
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I have so many questions and it's kind of bizarre because it's like,
00:22:10
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I can't remember the first gentleman that was interviewed by Kerry, but he talked about like, yeah, he was still taking money and stuff like that, but he was following up on promises he was making.
00:22:18
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So it was like,
00:22:20
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The gentleman received his fathom and the playfield was shot, like the plastic.
00:22:25
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So if you don't know about the haggis playfields, they were wood and then on top of that was a protective sheet of plastic or acrylic.
00:22:32
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And apparently when they came over on the shipping containers, it warped it because of the heat and stuff like that.
00:22:37
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So it delaminated.
00:22:39
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Yeah.
00:22:40
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So when you have multiple layers and the adhesive between one layer and another separate,
00:22:46
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then that's the delamination process.
00:22:48
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And that apparently is what happened.
00:22:49
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Correct.
00:22:50
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Yeah.
00:22:51
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And so the gentleman didn't really like he talked to Damien directly and Damien said, we'll ship you a new play field, but I got to build a box so we can ship it and create one.
00:22:59
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That's not going to cause any issues.
00:23:01
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And so the guy was like, yeah, sure, whatever.
00:23:03
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So he turned to Zach because he bought through flipping out.
00:23:05
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Right.
00:23:06
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And Zach took care of him.
00:23:07
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He's like, don't worry about it.
00:23:08
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So they got it taken care of.
00:23:09
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But then the gentleman saw Damien actually did make the box for another guy with the play field.
00:23:14
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Right.
00:23:15
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It just, it sucks because a lot of the haggis experience I had was,
00:23:20
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I had a pinball expo on a fast game that was made and you played that one with me, right?
00:23:26
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It was nice.
00:23:27
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Yeah.
00:23:27
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Yeah.
00:23:27
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It was really nice.
00:23:28
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And so we saw that.
00:23:29
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And then like Steven Strom, a friend of the podcast we've known for years, he got a Celts, but they weren't doing the acrylic on the Celts.
00:23:37
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This was pre acrylic, right?
00:23:39
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And his game played awesome.
00:23:42
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It's just weird.
00:23:43
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It's like, and it sounds like all the issues they were having, and we've said this a million times,
00:23:48
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like was with the play field and I don't want to have issues with the play field.
00:23:52
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People complain about the coil stops.
00:23:53
Speaker
What do you do?
00:23:54
Speaker
They're like five bucks for a coil stop.
00:23:56
Speaker
You can swap them out.
00:23:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:57
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Yeah.
00:23:57
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It's two screws and swap them out.
00:23:59
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Like, yeah, like I hear you.
00:24:00
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It sucks.
00:24:01
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Like they bought a million of them.
00:24:02
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They're probably still going through them.
00:24:03
Speaker
What do you do?
00:24:04
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But if I have to pull a whole freaking pinball play field out to swap it out, we've got an issue.
00:24:10
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You know what I'm saying?
00:24:12
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And so it just, it sounds like the fathom,
00:24:18
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just totally destroyed them.
00:24:20
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It sounded like they tried to fix a problem.
00:24:25
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that wasn't really like you can talk about dimpling all day, but like, seriously, go look at all your old games, everything.
00:24:31
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They all have dimples.
00:24:33
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Yeah.
00:24:34
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It's just, it is what it is.
00:24:36
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I don't know.
00:24:37
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George Gomez had an amazing response to someone about dimpling.
00:24:42
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He asked, and George Gomez hops in and says, this is the situation.
00:24:47
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He talks about hardness scale.
00:24:49
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And he talks about the, you know, the hardness of the wood versus the hardness of the ball and the plastics.
00:24:54
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And, and,
00:24:55
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The too long didn't read of it is anytime you have a steel ball interacting with a wood, regardless of how solid the wood is, the steel ball is always going to be harder.
00:25:08
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It's hit with velocity.
00:25:10
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You're transferring momentum into the play field.
00:25:13
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And eventually you're going to have little dimples.
00:25:16
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Okay.
00:25:17
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I've said it before.
00:25:19
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If you buy these machines, expect to use them as they are intended.
00:25:24
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Expect to use them as machines.
00:25:26
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Otherwise, they're a museum piece.
00:25:28
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Yeah.
00:25:29
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But if you're interacting with that, that's going to happen.
00:25:32
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So trying to retrofit this thing for really an issue that's not really much of an issue.
00:25:39
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Okay.
00:25:41
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For me, there are some people who, yeah, it's a huge issue for them.
00:25:44
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For me, Dimpling's not a big deal.
00:25:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:48
Speaker
It seems like more and more and more is coming out.
00:25:51
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I just watched the Kerry Hardy interview about two days or three days ago.
00:25:55
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Even at that point, it had only been out for like two days.
00:25:57
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And Kerry even put in the comments, there's still more information coming out.
00:26:03
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Some of the information in this interview is obsolete.
00:26:05
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It had only been out for two days.
00:26:06
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Right.
00:26:07
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so I think it's definitely gonna be a whirlwind for the least probably till the end of the year, uh, tell everything kind of dust settles.
00:26:14
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I mean, really we've, we've kicked a wasp nest and we're still dealing with the aftermath right now.
00:26:18
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Right.
00:26:19
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Um, I just, I don't know what to, to do about the whole situation.
00:26:23
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There's nothing I can do.
00:26:25
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Um, it just, it sucks.
00:26:27
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Cause there's a lot of people that got involved.
00:26:29
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There's a lot of speculation.
00:26:32
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Um,
00:26:34
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And it's hard because we don't have like full 100%.
00:26:37
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We have a lot of details coming out, which is great.
00:26:39
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We're seeing stuff from the government, from the liquidation, stuff like that.
00:26:44
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Um, but there is some pretty like off the wall speculation made that is affecting people's lives right now.
00:26:50
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It's like, guys, calm down.
00:26:51
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I get like some people lost money.
00:26:54
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It's kind of the same scenario.
00:26:55
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We do this every couple of years.
00:26:56
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It seems like, uh, it just, it sucks.
00:27:00
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And I feel for those that lost money.
00:27:02
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I feel for those that have been affected.
00:27:03
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Uh, but the other situation is too, it's like,
00:27:09
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I don't, I keep going back to Steve Bowden.
00:27:11
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Like Steve Bowden, I felt bad for it because when he worked at Deep Root, that was all going under and people were seeing that.
00:27:18
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People were contacting him personally, demanding answers.
00:27:20
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Yeah, and that's not fair.
00:27:22
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He is not the PR person.
00:27:23
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He's not PR.
00:27:24
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Okay, it's the same thing.
00:27:26
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Martin Robbins, he's a friend of the show.
00:27:27
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He's not the head.
00:27:29
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And so ultimately, if anything, he's an employee and he is not responsible for the solvency of the company.
00:27:38
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Yeah.
00:27:40
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And so
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00:27:41
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we are, you want to be very respectful of that.
00:27:47
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What I will say in, I'm going to tell you a story that I had on a home renovation, and then I'm going to tell you how it ties in.
00:27:57
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Okay.
00:27:57
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Okay.
00:27:59
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very quickly, we had a few home renovation stuff that we were doing.
00:28:02
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It wasn't a big deal.
00:28:03
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Some doors here and there, some painting, and there was a fence.
00:28:08
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And now I wish that we had really retooled the fence because it makes it a pain to move pinballs in and out, but that's a different story in itself.
00:28:16
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But we gave them half the money down.
00:28:21
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It wasn't a lot, just 2,000 bucks.
00:28:23
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Okay.
00:28:23
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Okay.
00:28:24
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And we kept calling and finding out and they're like, oh yeah, no, we were, they're really backed up on the fence and all this kind of stuff.
00:28:31
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But we'd still get calls occasionally.
00:28:33
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It's like, Hey, are you interested in doing some renovations with, I'm not going to say their name, but with so-and-so.
00:28:39
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And I said, actually, yeah, we are doing stuff with you and we still haven't heard.
00:28:44
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Oh, we'll, we'll get back to you.
00:28:45
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Okay.
00:28:47
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Um, the bottom line is we finally contacted the actual fence people and they said, we stopped working with them because they have unpaid bills with us.
00:28:56
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So finally I called them and they said, they actually called one time.
00:29:01
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They're like, would you, would you just prefer your money back?
00:29:03
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I'm like, yeah, I would.
00:29:04
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Okay.
00:29:05
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And then nothing happened.
00:29:08
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And so I, I just said, you know, I'm just going to drive down.
00:29:11
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I know where they are.
00:29:12
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So I drove down and walked in and they, I said, I just want my money back.
00:29:17
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And they said, we don't have it.
00:29:20
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He's like, okay.
00:29:22
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Like what's good.
00:29:24
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And what had happened in that situation was, um, one of the owners and it's a small business and they've gone on business now.
00:29:31
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One of the owners I think got sick and so got behind on stuff.
00:29:35
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But they still had expenses going out.
00:29:37
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And so they felt like this is me just looking back on it.
00:29:42
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I think they were still trying to buy time by asking for more people to sign up with them to get some advance money in to float them until they could catch up on this and then go through with it.
00:29:55
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Ultimately it didn't happen and they declared bankruptcy.
00:29:58
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Now I also saw later in the news, local news that actually there was a company that was doing a whole bunch of renovations and not, and not applying for building permits, same company.
00:30:10
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Gotcha.
00:30:11
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So I ended up losing 2000 bucks in the deal.
00:30:15
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Now here's my, my tie into the whole thing about Haggis.
00:30:22
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When a company starts, they typically start small and they start building up slowly.
00:30:29
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And the challenge is once you start building up, you need to go from 10 miles an hour to 20 miles an hour to 30 miles.
00:30:38
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So you slowly increase what you can do as a company until you finally reach that steady state that you're looking for.
00:30:48
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So 60 miles an hour, 100 miles, whatever you're looking for.
00:30:52
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Um, and if you start jumping steps and trying to go ahead of what your company is qualified to do, there are going to be lessons that you have not learned from going slow that are going to come crashing into you.
00:31:07
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Yeah.
00:31:09
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Part of the issue is when, when you start running into problems, the,
00:31:16
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The problem is the cover up of an issue always ends up being worse than the problem itself.
00:31:23
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Yeah.
00:31:25
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So they, this is my humble opinion.
00:31:27
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The question is not what happened.
00:31:31
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It's when did they know and what did they do about it?
00:31:34
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Yeah.
00:31:36
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What I'm speculating, and this is pure speculation is,
00:31:41
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they knew it was going South and they kept trying to give lip service that things were fine.
00:31:49
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And then when things became really bad, they, they could no longer catch up on the slow, you know, they're still promising.
00:32:01
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They're going to going at 50 or 60 miles an hour when they really could only go 10 or 20 miles an hour.
00:32:05
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Yeah.
00:32:06
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And ultimately they got out way over their skis and,
00:32:11
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And it kind of crashed on them.
00:32:13
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Now, they were also using some clever, well-timed excuses, which we saw this with DeepRoot, right?
00:32:22
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Yeah.
00:32:23
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And so they hid behind COVID when apparently that wasn't an issue at all.
00:32:27
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And so, again, if you're stating an issue as an issue when it turns out not to be, ultimately, you're going to start looking really bad because there's a big difference between having company issues and blatant lies.
00:32:45
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And I would argue if it is as was reported that they really weren't affected much by COVID, but they used it as a shield, then a partial lie is a partial truth is still a lie.
00:32:57
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Yeah.
00:32:59
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And hiding behind that.
00:33:00
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Now, there are other things that are going on, but this is where...
00:33:07
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When they knew what was wrong and what they were actually saying, that's when I start saying that's where the fault is.
00:33:14
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I don't think it's fault until you start collapsing as a company and then rolling out some crazy excuses that people cannot verify with their eyes or with the product.
00:33:28
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Yeah.
00:33:28
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And we see that.
00:33:30
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so many times in life and sometimes it's just so apparent that you can no longer hide what's going on.
00:33:38
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And that's what it seems like happened with them.
00:33:41
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My question is, because I know a lot of, there's a lot of, there's a lot of loss, whether you, you didn't get your product because you paid for it or you did receive your product and there's work pay, play filled in, in message us, emails may correct me if I'm wrong.
00:33:54
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If you did end up with a fathom and the, and the play filter jacked,
00:33:59
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Can you go to, I think CPR is making reproduction in these play fields.
00:34:02
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I can't remember who is.
00:34:03
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I wonder if you could drop it.
00:34:06
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Granted it's a pain, right?
00:34:07
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Like you're going to be.
00:34:09
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I wondered the same thing.
00:34:10
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I know exactly what you're getting at doing your own play field swap with a different play field.
00:34:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:14
Speaker
Or paying or paying, you know, um,
00:34:18
Speaker
HEP to swap it out or, or, or finding a little local tech that's comfortable with doing it.
00:34:24
Speaker
I just, I'm curious if you could do it like, yeah, it's not the best.
00:34:28
Speaker
That can't be the only, the only option though.
00:34:30
Speaker
No, I'm not going to let them hide behind a play field submarine dust.
00:34:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:36
Speaker
Cause, because I, I guarantee that that would not, that would not be accurate.
00:34:43
Speaker
The play field didn't help.
00:34:45
Speaker
And having a play field doesn't do it, but blaming the entire company's demise on a play field seems disingenuous to, to be, you know, kind.
00:34:54
Speaker
It is.
00:34:55
Speaker
But I think what it was is it was a hyper focusing on a problem.
00:34:59
Speaker
Maybe they, they should have, they were so, they were so transparent on trying to fix the dimpling issue that,
00:35:08
Speaker
Because we hear that a lot.
00:35:09
Speaker
When there's drama to be had, the dimpling stuff comes up.
00:35:14
Speaker
Dimpling or ghosting.
00:35:17
Speaker
Chipping, dimpling, ghosting.
00:35:19
Speaker
Granted, the chipping on some of those early J.J.P.
00:35:21
Speaker
's, I get.
00:35:23
Speaker
Anywho.
00:35:24
Speaker
I think, overall, it just sucks.
00:35:27
Speaker
It's one of those things.
00:35:28
Speaker
If Damon was a con man, he's probably the weirdest con man I've seen out of all of them.
00:35:35
Speaker
This doesn't feel like that.
00:35:37
Speaker
Yeah, it doesn't.
00:35:38
Speaker
With Robert Mueller, then it came out that he was living a lavish lifestyle.
00:35:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:43
Speaker
That was not sustainable.
00:35:46
Speaker
That's a different situation.
00:35:47
Speaker
This seems to be a well-intentioned company that just didn't have the skill set.
00:35:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:54
Speaker
Yep.
00:35:55
Speaker
So I got on my news that ABBA has started shipping.
00:35:59
Speaker
People are starting to receive them.
00:36:01
Speaker
So if you are an ABBA fan, I guess it's time to start getting excited.
00:36:06
Speaker
So if you ordered yours, I'm still waiting to play it.
00:36:11
Speaker
I, I take the Nick lane approach with pinball machines for the most part is that unless it's a company that you are totally invested in, that they are going to make your game.
00:36:23
Speaker
Wait until it's available for your hard-earned cash and then buy it.
00:36:27
Speaker
That's always my take.
00:36:29
Speaker
And again, there are very few games that end up being unobtainable.
00:36:35
Speaker
The only one that I could possibly think of that is relevant is JJP, Pirates of the Caribbean.
00:36:43
Speaker
I mean, pinball circus, but then again, at the pinball circus, no one owns it.
00:36:47
Speaker
There's two people.
00:36:48
Speaker
Yeah, but I'm saying like a game that's intended to be mass produced.
00:36:51
Speaker
Oh, gotcha.
00:36:53
Speaker
That one is this weird artificial shortage.
00:36:55
Speaker
We're not going to do a retrospective autopsy on that.
00:36:59
Speaker
But for the most part, even on super popular games, the most you'll ever pay over what you could have got if you weren't an early adopter is a thousand bucks.
00:37:10
Speaker
And for the most part, you can get it at price or below at a later date.
00:37:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:15
Speaker
I guess the only, the only people that need to worry about the FOMO is the people that like the LEs.
00:37:20
Speaker
And even then most of the time the LEs.
00:37:21
Speaker
You can still buy those.
00:37:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:22
Speaker
There's new LE.
00:37:23
Speaker
There's new LE every three months.
00:37:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:26
Speaker
And so, which is funny because we've talked about like people still have Venom Ellie's, but I've heard that like John Wick is actually, a lot of people are selling out of their Ellie's on the John Wicks.
00:37:34
Speaker
They are now.
00:37:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:35
Speaker
They're doing great.
00:37:36
Speaker
Okay.
00:37:37
Speaker
But the issue is if you're flexible on time, then as long as you're willing to wait for that game, you can find it.
00:37:48
Speaker
Yep.
00:37:48
Speaker
Definitely.
00:37:49
Speaker
Definitely.
00:37:50
Speaker
Definitely.
00:37:50
Speaker
All right.
00:37:50
Speaker
And if it's a great game, you can buy
Pinball Maintenance and Thematic Speculation
00:37:52
Speaker
tons of them because there's a billion Godzilla's out there.
00:37:55
Speaker
There's a billion Metallicas out there.
00:37:57
Speaker
CGC announced before they did medieval, not medieval madness, sorry, Cactus Canyon, that they were doing another run of medieval madness.
00:38:06
Speaker
Yes.
00:38:06
Speaker
Like 2023 or something like that.
00:38:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:09
Speaker
Supposedly, supposedly they're running.
00:38:12
Speaker
2023 or 2024.
00:38:16
Speaker
No, originally they were going to run Mieville Madness in 2023.
00:38:18
Speaker
Right.
00:38:20
Speaker
Granted, we're well past that, and we know that never happened.
00:38:23
Speaker
Mieville Madness supposedly running in December of this year.
00:38:28
Speaker
I would be intrigued.
00:38:29
Speaker
I mean, if they need to buy some time for their next game, which we have a pretty good idea of what it is.
00:38:37
Speaker
We think, yeah.
00:38:38
Speaker
Yeah, so...
00:38:40
Speaker
but we're not going to go into that right now.
00:38:42
Speaker
But yeah, if you're looking for that meanable madness, hit up Zach, Nicole.
00:38:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:46
Speaker
I actually, I'm on the list because I have a friend who really wants one, even though I've got one, but I think I want one.
00:38:53
Speaker
I'm not for sure.
00:38:54
Speaker
I'm kind of at that point where I don't know anymore.
00:38:56
Speaker
Your kid will like it.
00:38:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:58
Speaker
I know my kids will like it.
00:38:59
Speaker
It's nice.
00:39:00
Speaker
The good news is it's a great gateway drug for a pinball because it is straightforward.
00:39:06
Speaker
You can see exactly where you're supposed to go.
00:39:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:09
Speaker
Um, it's, if CGC were smart, then they really should just have a dedicated line for medieval madness and pump out a few hundred a month.
00:39:20
Speaker
Cause I think you can sell.
00:39:21
Speaker
I think you're, if you're smart, you don't even announce this.
00:39:23
Speaker
You just be like, by the way, they're shipping now.
00:39:26
Speaker
That's, that's the biggest problem with CGC, right?
00:39:29
Speaker
Like, right.
00:39:29
Speaker
We're going to make these.
00:39:30
Speaker
And we're like, sure.
00:39:31
Speaker
You are in like a year and a half.
00:39:33
Speaker
So right now,
00:39:36
Speaker
at least CGC is making good on it.
00:39:40
Speaker
That my gut feeling is the vibe is their quality is slipping a little bit.
00:39:46
Speaker
It is.
00:39:46
Speaker
I've heard a lot of people having issues with our cactus.
00:39:49
Speaker
I actually had one issue with it, but the good news is butch was working with them at the time.
00:39:55
Speaker
And so I could, I was interacting with them and they ended up just sending me a new motor for the mine and it ended up working really well.
00:40:04
Speaker
So we're having hearing a lot of issues with, with Pulp Fiction too.
00:40:08
Speaker
I'm hearing.
00:40:08
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:09
Speaker
Well, the back box on the game we played at Logan arcade was separating from the, from the podium of it.
00:40:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:16
Speaker
I'm like, Oh, this is just loose.
00:40:17
Speaker
I'll tighten the screws while I'm right here.
00:40:19
Speaker
Oh no, no, no, no.
00:40:20
Speaker
It was delaminated.
00:40:21
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:22
Speaker
Like, yeah, yeah.
00:40:25
Speaker
I was shocked.
00:40:26
Speaker
And Logan's arcade is a, is a high volume arcade.
00:40:29
Speaker
So I do understand that.
00:40:31
Speaker
Okay.
00:40:32
Speaker
Here's another question too.
00:40:33
Speaker
I don't remember Josh.
00:40:35
Speaker
Did Logan's arcade have any Jersey Jack?
00:40:39
Speaker
Not that I remember.
00:40:41
Speaker
I don't remember any.
00:40:43
Speaker
I, I, I remember there for a few hours and I kind of glanced around and saw a lot.
00:40:47
Speaker
I know we saw Pulp Fiction.
00:40:48
Speaker
We saw Galactic Tank Force.
00:40:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:51
Speaker
Um, yeah.
00:40:53
Speaker
But I, I, and even I, and you could argue they had some with really expensive toppers on them.
00:40:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:58
Speaker
So it, it doesn't, I'm curious to find out why they're not there.
00:41:04
Speaker
You, you would think that JJP would want their games in a Chicago arcade that is played all the time.
00:41:11
Speaker
Well, and that's the other thing too.
00:41:13
Speaker
You think like,
00:41:15
Speaker
I don't know.
00:41:16
Speaker
You got to, you got to weigh the return on investment, right?
00:41:19
Speaker
So is it worth Jersey Jack to cut a deal with Logan to put a game in there?
00:41:23
Speaker
Yes.
00:41:24
Speaker
Versus.
00:41:25
Speaker
Yes.
00:41:25
Speaker
Yes, it is.
00:41:26
Speaker
Yes, it is.
00:41:27
Speaker
So that that's again, my humble take and I have zero credibility on a business business.
00:41:34
Speaker
business planning for pinball machines, but I would say yes.
00:41:38
Speaker
I personally think that us, we're not the demographic that Jersey Jack is looking for.
00:41:44
Speaker
Maybe.
00:41:45
Speaker
So I could be wrong.
00:41:47
Speaker
Who knows?
00:41:47
Speaker
I bet they'll have a Harry Potter when it gets in there.
00:41:50
Speaker
All right.
00:41:50
Speaker
Dutch pinball extreme, or what does that stand for?
00:41:54
Speaker
Extreme.
00:41:55
Speaker
Is it extreme?
00:41:56
Speaker
I don't know.
00:41:57
Speaker
They revealed a piece of Alice in Wonderland.
00:41:59
Speaker
Did you see this?
00:41:59
Speaker
It's like the watch.
00:42:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:01
Speaker
The pocket watch.
00:42:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:04
Speaker
It's a screen on the inside of it.
00:42:06
Speaker
It's an LCD, but.
00:42:07
Speaker
Okay.
00:42:08
Speaker
Cool.
00:42:08
Speaker
Which is cool, but they've also done that with.
00:42:13
Speaker
Alice in Wonderland or the now, sorry, wizard of Oz.
00:42:15
Speaker
They've also done it with Hobbit and they've, yeah, no, the small screen.
00:42:20
Speaker
I think it's, it's a cute gimmick.
00:42:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:23
Speaker
But I, there's nothing in, in that that says I want to buy a machine with a small screen in it.
00:42:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:30
Speaker
And that was part of, part of why I looked at toy story and I said, really, you need a giant iPad in there.
00:42:37
Speaker
Like I, I'm not buying a game for an iPad.
00:42:39
Speaker
I want to buy a game cause I want to hit the ball.
00:42:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:44
Speaker
Yeah, I just... It's cool.
00:42:46
Speaker
Okay, fine.
00:42:47
Speaker
It's cool.
00:42:47
Speaker
I will be... I guess I'm not... Honestly, I'm not excited to see this game.
00:42:52
Speaker
But...
00:42:54
Speaker
I'll check it out when it comes out.
00:42:56
Speaker
It sounds like they're shipping more of their stuff over to Pinball Expo.
00:43:00
Speaker
Hopefully, it's out by then or they have a prototype there.
00:43:04
Speaker
That'd be awesome.
00:43:05
Speaker
I agree.
00:43:07
Speaker
It'd be nice.
00:43:08
Speaker
It's fine.
00:43:11
Speaker
This is what they do.
00:43:12
Speaker
They do the teasers.
00:43:13
Speaker
They show their helicopter.
00:43:16
Speaker
Just little things like that.
00:43:20
Speaker
I don't know.
00:43:21
Speaker
Pinball marketing, does that work anymore?
00:43:54
Speaker
And that's fair.
00:43:55
Speaker
I remember when Mustang came out.
00:43:57
Speaker
And do you remember when Mustang came out?
00:44:00
Speaker
I have an idea.
00:44:01
Speaker
It was, here's Mustang.
00:44:03
Speaker
And that was it.
00:44:04
Speaker
People were like, wait, you weren't making a Mustang machine?
00:44:07
Speaker
It was really out of the blue.
00:44:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:11
Speaker
So, you're right.
00:44:13
Speaker
It's good to do these teaser things.
00:44:14
Speaker
And it's fine.
00:44:15
Speaker
Hey, it didn't look bad.
00:44:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:17
Speaker
It didn't look bad.
00:44:20
Speaker
uh p3 just put out an update multimorphic okay uh i will just pretty much skim it for you it's essentially says uh bride a pin bot good crime any princess bride is shipping now it's in production um and then they have upgrade kits if you haven't upgraded your your p3 system you have one hit them up they've got like a back box upgrade and they have a uh
00:44:46
Speaker
kind of like a quality of life upgrade to the software and whatnot or to the hardware if I remember correctly.
00:44:53
Speaker
And these kits are free.
00:44:55
Speaker
You just got to hit up Jerry and he'll take care of you.
00:44:57
Speaker
And it's like you go to the website, you add it to their cart and then it's like free kit 2024 or something like that.
00:45:04
Speaker
Just hit up Jerry.
00:45:05
Speaker
If you have like seriously, if you haven't got it, I assume you have.
00:45:08
Speaker
But if not, for some odd reason, if you missed it,
00:45:11
Speaker
grab it, but they will be revealing.
00:45:14
Speaker
That's good though.
00:45:15
Speaker
Yes.
00:45:16
Speaker
Because the biggest thing that we've talked about, at least I've talked about is with P3.
00:45:21
Speaker
One of the issues is,
00:45:23
Speaker
the, you know, it's like in video games, right?
00:45:26
Speaker
You have the PlayStation and you have the PlayStation 2.
00:45:29
Speaker
So you have consoles and this feels a little bit in that console category.
00:45:34
Speaker
And unless they update the console and I, okay, it's a loose analogy, but upgrade what the P3 is running, then eventually it's going to be out of date with your, and that's still your major thing that you're plugging your games into.
00:45:52
Speaker
So it makes sense for them to keep going in.
00:45:54
Speaker
And this is their version of going like,
00:45:56
Speaker
from spike to spike two and possibly spike three.
00:45:59
Speaker
Right.
00:45:59
Speaker
And it's definitely an upgrade.
00:46:01
Speaker
I know some of the chips that are on there, they can't get ahold of anymore.
00:46:04
Speaker
It's just, it's time.
00:46:06
Speaker
It's time to be swapping out boards and trying to do a quality of life for the system.
00:46:10
Speaker
Cause you can't keep running a decade old system on this stuff.
00:46:15
Speaker
So obviously it's retroactive, like, right.
00:46:18
Speaker
It's reverse compatible.
00:46:19
Speaker
And they're there.
00:46:21
Speaker
I'm going to call it cornerstone because really that's what,
00:46:24
Speaker
With P3, they have third-party games being made and stuff like that.
00:46:28
Speaker
Their next cornerstone, it sounds like it's going to be out by TPF.
00:46:31
Speaker
So I can't wait to see what they got there.
00:46:33
Speaker
I think this one's another original theme.
00:46:35
Speaker
It sounds like they're going to be going with original theme and then licensing.
00:46:43
Speaker
Scott Denise's was an original theme, but it still had the Scott Denise name to it because it's Final Resistance, right?
00:46:50
Speaker
which is an awesome game.
00:46:51
Speaker
People will love that game.
00:46:52
Speaker
So there's something to look forward to from P3 coming in the next couple months.
00:46:58
Speaker
I guess probably in the next four months.
00:47:00
Speaker
Where are we in?
00:47:00
Speaker
We're in August.
00:47:02
Speaker
Get a crime.
00:47:03
Speaker
Why do I think it's late?
00:47:05
Speaker
Kids aren't in school yet.
00:47:07
Speaker
Yeah, that's this week.
00:47:09
Speaker
And then the last thing I have is we actually received a product.
00:47:14
Speaker
I just got an email from Jockton.
00:47:16
Speaker
Okay.
00:47:17
Speaker
I got to talk about Jockton really quick.
00:47:19
Speaker
If you do not know Jockton, he sells pin shades.
00:47:22
Speaker
He that's his primary company.
00:47:24
Speaker
And I want to thank him really quickly because he was one of our sponsors for flipping the script on autism.
00:47:30
Speaker
Granted that's been two years now coming up in October.
00:47:34
Speaker
But yeah,
00:47:36
Speaker
When we had items stolen from our booth on that last day, Jockton stepped up and said, I'll buy it.
00:47:45
Speaker
He bought a handful of stuff and just said, I'll take care of it and get it shipped out.
00:47:52
Speaker
This is a gentleman that I was really impressed.
00:47:56
Speaker
And so he gave us a message.
00:48:00
Speaker
It's been two or three weeks ago.
00:48:02
Speaker
It's been longer than that.
00:48:03
Speaker
But he's just like, I've got a package for you guys.
00:48:05
Speaker
I'm shipping to you.
00:48:06
Speaker
And give me your addresses.
00:48:07
Speaker
So I gave him Scott's address and I gave him mine.
00:48:10
Speaker
And it's funny because like the box shows up.
00:48:12
Speaker
My wife's like, you got a package.
00:48:13
Speaker
I don't know what the heck it is.
00:48:14
Speaker
And so I open it.
00:48:16
Speaker
And I don't even realize what the heck it is.
00:48:17
Speaker
It's like these 3D printed cones with like rubber on them.
00:48:22
Speaker
And I get looking at them and I realize, oh, these they're called pin steps and you get to each.
00:48:28
Speaker
They go under the backside of your legs.
00:48:29
Speaker
It's essentially a quick instead of having to like adjust and all this stuff trying to figure out.
00:48:35
Speaker
They've actually he's already built in the pitch degree of how much higher you're taking the game.
00:48:41
Speaker
And with the rubber, you're not going to be worrying about sliding the game everywhere.
00:48:44
Speaker
I've been really impressed with this product.
00:48:47
Speaker
These were the ones that were used at Pinberg.
00:48:49
Speaker
So that was really cool for him to send us the Pinberg pin steps.
00:48:53
Speaker
But everyone that's using these for tournaments are loving them.
00:48:58
Speaker
And I like to just goof around sometimes and be like, I wonder how my game would play at this pitch.
00:49:03
Speaker
And it's seriously...
00:49:05
Speaker
I put my knee under the back part of the machine, I lift it up, I slide these under, and you've got a whole different playing game in 30 seconds flat.
00:49:13
Speaker
So I've really enjoyed it.
00:49:16
Speaker
Have you, have you taken the opportunity to mess with these at all, Scott?
00:49:18
Speaker
Yeah, these are great because, um, it was like, I'm going to get to cough.
00:49:24
Speaker
I asked him for a long time.
00:49:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:27
Speaker
I was going to cough when you were talking, when I'm muted.
00:49:29
Speaker
These are great.
00:49:30
Speaker
If you're, if you've ever hosted a party over at your house, like a tournament,
00:49:36
Speaker
It is a pain to adjust all your machine, unless you have them on brutal mode or hard mode all the time.
00:49:41
Speaker
I have kids, I have family.
00:49:43
Speaker
I'm, this is a family arcade that I have in my basement.
00:49:46
Speaker
This is not, yeah, this is not a tournament friendly setting.
00:49:50
Speaker
However, I can always make it tournament friendly really quick.
00:49:54
Speaker
by just throwing those things on and it takes 10 seconds.
00:49:58
Speaker
And so it is a great option to say, hey, I just want something that can do it.
00:50:03
Speaker
And you could even mess with people and put the steps on the front and make it a little more shallow and see what happens.
00:50:08
Speaker
But it is just a great quick and dirty way of getting your games to a different level for the competition.
00:50:19
Speaker
Or if you just want to make it hard for yourself and see how it is without...
00:50:22
Speaker
having to get back there and jack them up and re-level it.
00:50:27
Speaker
Great option.
00:50:28
Speaker
I remember we did tournament at your house once.
00:50:30
Speaker
Someone had asked if we could do it at your house.
00:50:32
Speaker
They said, I will do all the adjustments.
00:50:36
Speaker
In your basement, you got, what, 12 games, I want to say?
00:50:38
Speaker
You have 10 games, yeah.
00:50:40
Speaker
You didn't have any at the garage at that point.
00:50:42
Speaker
We only did it in the basement.
00:50:44
Speaker
How long?
00:50:44
Speaker
Because they offered to tournament style them, and then they offered to un-tournament style them.
00:50:52
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that was josh craig wasn't it and yeah they yeah they they worked on it and really i i just didn't have the time to deal with that but that's such a huge time did they take that's what i yeah way more time more than 60 seconds i'll put it that way and it would take 60 seconds to throw these things in the back but i remember they were there for hours beforehand and then after that too it seemed like they were there hours as well trying to get all yeah
00:51:19
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So that's definitely a great option to go and check those out.
00:51:22
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Yeah.
00:51:23
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So the other product too, that I saw, I sent this to you.
00:51:26
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I'm excited for this.
00:51:27
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I've got one on the way, a pin snake.
00:51:31
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Did you watch the video on this?
00:51:33
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It looked kind of cool.
00:51:35
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I certainly sent some risque comments to Kerry that I thought was hilarious.
00:51:41
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It's great.
00:51:42
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I love cleaning pinball machines are easy up until you get into those lanes, especially on a World Cup soccer.
00:51:51
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So I am more than excited to try out this product.
00:51:54
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And Kerry Hardy did a great video.
00:51:57
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If you haven't watched it, go give it a watch.
00:52:00
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Yeah.
00:52:00
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And it's, it's perfect, especially those orbits and all that stuff.
00:52:04
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That's just kind of a pain to get back there.
00:52:07
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It, it works.
00:52:08
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It looks like it works really well.
00:52:09
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So check that out too.
00:52:11
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Definitely.
00:52:12
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Well, honestly, we kind of, kind of breezed through our list.
00:52:15
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Is there anything else you want to talk about Scott before we shut this down?
00:52:19
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You know, Kate, actually this barely came to my mind today and I actually haven't even got that.
00:52:26
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so we always talk about dream pinball themes, right?
00:52:31
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Okay.
00:52:33
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He, why
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00:52:35
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has no one ever suggested a Mickey mouse game?
00:52:40
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I don't know, but there was that, there's that, uh, talk about Willie that that guy made, like as a homebrew.
00:52:45
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And I think, but I'm talking like, uh, like a game, like people.
00:52:50
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So the, when we went to Disney world of,
00:52:53
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four years ago or something like that.
00:52:54
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And I think they're building this actually in Disneyland right now.
00:52:58
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It was a, it was a crazy cartless thing.
00:53:03
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It's kind of like rise of the resistance, but it's with Mickey and goofy and kind of this new animation style where they're, they look a little bit like they're all high or something.
00:53:12
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I'm not exactly sure how to describe it.
00:53:15
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But it was a great theme and a great ride.
00:53:19
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And I'm wondering why, like we all talk about Disney stuff.
00:53:22
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So there's a Pirates ride and you can do all that kind of stuff.
00:53:26
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But what about just basically a Disneyland or Disney ride?
00:53:30
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Mickey Mouse, Donald, Goofy, all that kind of stuff.
00:53:32
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Why have they not actively pursued something like that?
00:53:36
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That's what someone should do.
00:53:37
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If you're looking to start up a company,
00:53:39
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because one just don't because apparently starting up pinball companies are terrible but here's the thing so if you did a tugboat Willie because it's now public domain because it's been out for 95 years whatever it is yeah you could steamboat Willie steamboat Willie sorry I mean you have to be super careful you could only use the material do that one yeah from that well I think anything that's released that year it's a hundred years ago so there was like an there was an airplane one
00:54:09
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That he was in.
00:54:10
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And I think the steamboat Willie.
00:54:12
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Okay.
00:54:13
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But why not just get the real stuff?
00:54:15
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Like true.
00:54:16
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Have one of the major manufacturers go ahead and get that because we all talk about like a Mario game or a Zelda game.
00:54:23
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Like, okay.
00:54:25
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I'm not saying that that would make my collection.
00:54:28
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But there's certainly a ton of people out there who are really connected to the Disney brand.
00:54:34
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So why isn't there a Mickey mouse pinball machine?
00:54:36
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Well, and it makes you wonder too, because obviously we've done cartoon pinball machines, right?
00:54:41
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Like,
00:54:42
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If X-Men 97 really is coming, that's a Disney product.
00:54:46
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It's a Disney product.
00:54:47
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Kid cartoon.
00:54:49
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Obviously, it's more advanced because it's dealt with some more adult themes.
00:54:55
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Not like adult themes, but you know what I'm saying.
00:54:57
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Right.
00:54:58
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Young adult themes, right?
00:55:00
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Yeah.
00:55:00
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It's like teen young adult.
00:55:02
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But like Spider-Man, the vault was all comic book style and Avengers Infinity Quest.
00:55:07
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You know what I'm saying?
00:55:08
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What justifies...
00:55:11
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a cartoon be able to get its own pinball machine where it's, it jumps that hurdle of we've went from childish to nostalgic people want.
00:55:23
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I think Mickey mouse is definitely down that Avenue, but Mickey mouse would cover all genres.
00:55:27
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Like, you know, another cartoon who worked with the Batman series.
00:55:30
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Yeah.
00:55:31
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The animated Batman series.
00:55:33
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That was really well done.
00:55:34
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Yes.
00:55:35
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Very well done.
00:55:36
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I'm just trying to think like, well, and the rumor from American pinball, he man.
00:55:41
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Yeah.
00:55:42
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Well, cuphead, but he man and the masters of the universe has been like started and dropped so many times.
00:55:49
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Yeah.
00:55:50
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Okay.
00:55:50
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Here's the thing about theme.
00:55:51
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Did you watch, uh, the Kevin Smith, he man thing on Netflix.
00:55:57
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Yeah.
00:55:58
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I did not like revelations, the guy from Jay and silent, Bob, he's Bob.
00:56:02
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Yeah.
00:56:03
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That guy.
00:56:04
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So he did his own, his own masters of the universe sequel thing.
00:56:10
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And it was, it was interesting.
00:56:11
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And I watched him like, yeah, this reminds me of my childhood.
00:56:15
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I probably would have been about 10 to 12 in that age group.
00:56:19
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And I thought that this is, you know, this is kind of cool.
00:56:22
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It's true to form, but afterwards it completely like had no lasting nostalgia for me.
00:56:29
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Star Wars has lasting nostalgia for me, but he, man, GI Joe, you know, I, I would even argue Thundercats.
00:56:37
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You know, there's no, there's nothing that's lasting for some reason.
00:56:41
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Turtles still has that lasting nostalgia, which is why it's still popular.
00:56:44
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It's because it teamed up with pizza.
00:56:48
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Yeah.
00:56:48
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Yeah.
00:56:48
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Maybe.
00:56:50
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And it's funny too, because like turtles is like a parody of daredevil mixed with X-Men mixed with teen Titans.
00:56:59
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And the funny part is it's went bigger than probably all three of those combined.
00:57:02
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Oh, maybe not X-Men, but definitely daredevil and teen Titans.
00:57:07
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Yeah.
00:57:08
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Teen Titans is, is not an issue.
00:57:10
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Yeah.
00:57:11
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But it's funny.
00:57:11
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Cause like it's had multiple parodies and stuff of Ninja turtles, but back to what we were saying, like what justify, like,
00:57:20
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Hello Kitty is one of the top franchises of all time.
00:57:23
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It's made billions of dollars, right?
00:57:26
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But I don't think we'll ever see a Hello Kitty.
00:57:28
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I could be wrong.
00:57:29
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I just don't think we'll ever see a Hello Kitty pinball machine.
00:57:32
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I would be shocked.
00:57:33
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I would be shocked.
00:57:35
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You could argue like K-pop too.
00:57:37
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I believe they're K-pop, right?
00:57:39
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The boy band from South Korea.
00:57:42
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They make so much money that they...
00:57:45
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their income is factored into the GDP of South Korea.
00:57:50
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Oh, really?
00:57:50
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It is.
00:57:51
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Nice.
00:57:52
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And there's like a big issue because like there's mandatory service in South Korea, like military service.
00:57:59
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And you have to do it by the time you're 30.
00:58:01
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And this is a few years ago.
00:58:03
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And so maybe this is way, this is, they've already resolved this, but the oldest guy in K-pop was 29.
00:58:10
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Yeah.
00:58:12
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And so they were like, what are they going to do?
00:58:13
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Because they're, you know, so I, who knows?
00:58:16
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I, I'm not a K-pop guy.
00:58:18
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So I, I don't, I don't know the whole.
00:58:19
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He might just be blowing smoke up your butt right now.
00:58:22
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No, no, I know.
00:58:23
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Everything I said is true.
00:58:24
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I just don't know.
00:58:25
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I'm not up to date in the K-pop stuff.
00:58:27
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Oh, so yeah, you're right.
00:58:29
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There are a lot of themes that I don't think readily translate to pinball.
00:58:33
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Yeah.
00:58:34
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Yeah.
00:58:35
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I still think Scott Pilgrim versus the world, man.
00:58:38
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My son went school clothes shopping and they're still selling Scott Pilgrim versus the world t-shirts and stuff like that.
00:58:44
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It's just one of those things.
00:58:45
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It's like Beetlejuice though.
00:58:46
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Like Beetlejuice is nostalgic.
00:58:48
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Like I'm surprised people have skipped over.
00:58:49
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I don't get it.
00:58:50
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Yeah.
00:58:51
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I, I, I Beetlejuice, I don't get, I saw, I I've seen it a few times.
00:58:54
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I'm like, yeah, it's okay.
00:58:57
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It's okay.
00:58:58
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And that's the thing though.
00:58:59
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Like I just, I just don't get why.
00:59:02
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some themes feel like they're, they're absolute home runs for pinball and they don't get made.
00:59:08
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And some, like some themes like, why was that made?
00:59:12
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Like that doesn't make any sense, but Hey, I don't do research and development for these companies.
00:59:17
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Journey still should be made.
00:59:18
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I don't know why it's, it hasn't been made at this point.
00:59:21
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Journey is a, is a home run slam dog.
00:59:24
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it's probably because the bandmates are a mess.
00:59:26
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They're fighting again, which is hilarious, but the music would translate really well.
00:59:31
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They had a, they had a video game.
00:59:33
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May.
00:59:33
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That's what it's seriously.
00:59:34
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That's probably what it comes down to.
00:59:35
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It's like Jody Dinkberg goes in from Stern with licensing and he's like, we're ready to do journey.
00:59:40
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And they're like, the bandmates are fighting again.
00:59:42
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They're not agreeing on anything right now.
00:59:44
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Yeah.
00:59:44
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But no one cares.
00:59:46
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It's yeah.
00:59:46
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No one cares.
00:59:47
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People need to make money.
00:59:48
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It's all on the license.
00:59:49
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Seriously.
00:59:50
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Hey, the, the ACDC drummer got back in the band after, after terrible allegations of domestic violence.
00:59:57
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Yeah.
00:59:59
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And there's bands like lost profits that have been scrubbed pretty much from the internet, except for like YouTube, because our main singer was convicted of, of stuff.
01:00:07
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And then like, it's like, I feel bad for the bandmates.
01:00:10
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Cause it's like, yeah, yeah.
01:00:12
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It's like, well, your livelihood.
01:00:13
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Pinball, right?
01:00:14
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There were some games that some people just sold because they didn't want a certain designer associated with it.
01:00:22
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So I get it.
01:00:23
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I get it.
01:00:24
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That's another rabbit hole I'm not going to go down.
01:00:26
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Yes, exactly.
01:00:28
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Speaking of rabbit holes, you've already mentioned it once or twice.
01:00:32
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I want to thank Doug Puerta for... He bought our hockey jersey.
01:00:36
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He's excited to be showing it.
01:00:37
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He bought it before we got it.
01:00:39
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I know, dude.
01:00:42
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If you've been paying attention, you can get, I need to like get socks made, but like you can have a hat, a shirt, pants.
01:00:49
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Cause we've got the joggers now shoes.
01:00:51
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All you need socks and underwear.
01:00:53
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That's what you do.
01:00:53
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If you show up in full loser, don't show me your underwear.
01:00:57
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I don't want to see it.
01:00:58
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And don't tell me you're not wearing butt cheeks, smiling with two thumbs.
01:01:02
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Don't tell me you're not wearing underwear either.
01:01:03
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I don't need to hear that.
01:01:06
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Oh, but seriously though, like Scott will get you something.
01:01:09
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I don't know.
01:01:11
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Pat on the back.
01:01:14
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Yeah.
01:01:15
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We have sold, we've sold a few of those jerseys.
01:01:18
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It's pretty cool.
01:01:19
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So they are pretty awesome jerseys and really Utah's pretty excited about getting a hockey team.
01:01:25
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It's, it seems to be more of us for the hockey team than the jazz right now.
01:01:29
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Yeah.
01:01:30
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You know what?
01:01:30
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And honestly, we're, we're kind of mid October right now.
01:01:32
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I'm going to, I'm going to announce this right now on the spot.
01:01:35
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We have a new hat coming out.
01:01:39
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I know Scott's wearing the one that we just kind of made off the cuff a couple months ago.
01:01:43
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That will be at Expo, but I have an Expo specific.
01:01:46
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It probably won't be specific, but the first time you'll be able to get it.
01:01:50
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It's Expo time.
01:01:51
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It is, it is like, it's our classic loser kid.
01:01:56
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But, but,
01:01:58
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we weren't able to get an all black in the mesh.
01:02:01
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So, uh, it's the same model number, but it's all black fabric and I'm doing gold.
01:02:07
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I've already got the prototype.
01:02:09
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Uh, I will post this online probably this week and we'll probably need to start getting some, uh, some, so we don't take pre-order money.
01:02:17
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The way it is, is it?
01:02:18
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Yeah.
01:02:18
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Just tell us, just tell us you want.
01:02:19
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Yeah.
01:02:20
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We'll get you on the list.
01:02:21
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And then before I order, I usually say, Hey, this is what's going on.
01:02:24
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And then, uh, but it,
01:02:27
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if, if you want to lose your kid hat, it's going to be that time of year where I take a massive order and then we either ship them out or if you're going to be at expo, I can bring them with me.
01:02:37
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Um, but, uh, I will, I will post all the hats that are available and, uh, and I've already showed this black and gold to some people and it's good.
01:02:46
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It looks amazing.
01:02:47
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It looks good.
01:02:49
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It looks really good.
01:02:51
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So, uh, it's that time.
01:02:52
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I, I, I,
01:02:53
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Yeah, we've got like, I have to put in the order by the end of September beginning.
01:02:57
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Yeah.
01:02:59
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So yeah, I guess it is time to start posting these on the internet.
01:03:04
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So yeah, if you want any of our other gear, silverballswag.com slash loser kid pinball, or just loser kid.
01:03:10
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Anything else, Scott, before I do our outro?
01:03:15
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No, it's great.
01:03:16
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We are, we're looking forward to fall coming up and I really am excited for the new releases.
01:03:22
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See how they're done.
01:03:23
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The themes sounds like they're not going to be for me, but I have been swayed on themes to be blunt.
01:03:31
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I was not that interested in a Godzilla pinball machine and you see it over my right shoulder.
01:03:36
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So it's, it does happen.
01:03:41
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content creator of the episode.
01:03:43
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I want to shout out Steve with the pinball room.
01:03:45
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If you've not checked out his YouTube, you need to, especially if you're into homebrew and you're looking to make your own game.
01:03:52
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Steve goes step by step how to make a game for your own homebrew.
01:03:57
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It's amazing.
01:03:58
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He made his own Led Zeppelin and it's just, it's amazing what we can do nowadays with homebrew.
01:04:05
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But if you're interested in that,
01:04:07
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go check it out.
01:04:08
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Just the pinball room, search it on YouTube and hit up Steve.
01:04:12
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He would be more than happy to talk to you about his project.
01:04:15
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And if you are having issues with your project, so give him a check.
01:04:20
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If you want to get ahold of us, we are loser kid pinball podcast at gmail.com.
01:04:24
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You can find us on Facebook, Instagram, X, Twitch, all that jazz at loser kid pinball.
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We're also on YouTube.
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If you didn't know that, if you haven't subscribed,
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Uh, we'd appreciate it.
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Hit that subscribe button.
01:04:39
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Uh, other than that, I, I think that does it for us, Scott.
01:04:42
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Will you give us our last words for the evening?
01:04:44
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Yep.
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If you want medieval madness, certainly get on that wish list.
01:04:47
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Cause I'm sure they'll go fast.