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Episode 145: Daily Ipswich - Everton Preview and More!
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The Daily Ipswich Podcast, part of the Global Sports Podcast Network, is your new home of all your ITFC. Join us every weekday for the latest news, build-up and reaction in the club's first season back in the Premier League.
Host: Richard Popple
Guest: Tom Crack
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Opening Remarks and Weather Chat
00:00:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello everybody and welcome back to the Daily Ipswich here on the Global Sports Podcast Network. My name is Richard Popple and today I am joined by Tom Crack. Tom, hello.
00:00:19
Tom Crack
Hi Richard, should hi Richard, hello everyone. Yeah, lovely weather in the UK this week, don't know everyone else has got the moment. That's the cliche British talk out of way of tomorrow, but it had to be done because it has been lovely. and with Nice, nice, yeah, and lovely stuff.
00:00:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah It has been lovely. I've been stuck inside unfortunately for the last two days when it's been at its warmest but there has been air conditioning so that's been quite nice. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, we're here to talk about, obviously, ah Everton away.
Ipswich vs Everton: Pre-Match Discussion
00:00:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
The next game on Ipswich Town's schedule is this Saturday at Goodison Park. It will be the final time we ever, ever go to Goodison Park. So that's a um that's a trip for the supporters that I'm sure will be sure be um a lovely memory for them. Goodison Park, have you ever been, Tom?
00:01:01
Tom Crack
I haven't, no. i lived in the North for the past few years. have been to Liverpool a few times. um My um grandfather-in-law is an Everton fan, so I've got some vague allegiance to to the club. um No, not Bintangton Park, but a very good fan base is Everton.
00:01:19
Tom Crack
And, you know, they've kind of been flirting relegation lot in recent seasons, but we've seen with Moyes' return, that stability has kind of come back and maybe some quality in the pitch now can be there. And when you ground very much a club in the right direction, if things can stay as they have in the latter stage of the season.
00:01:33
Tom Crack
um But to answer your question, no, i'm not
00:01:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, obviously, we lost the yeah we lost home to Everton 2-0 in October. And that was at a time when we actually thought that Everton would be a rival of ours in the relegation battle.
00:01:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Obviously, since Moyes came in, that's changed completely, that narrative.
00:01:48
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:01:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
But at the time, Everton was seen as an opportunity for us. And obviously, you know with the benefit of hindsight, some six months later, we can look back and say that that kind of period... where we were losing at home to the likes of Everton and Crystal Palace, who were struggling as well at that stage of the season.
Ipswich's Season Struggles and Relegation
00:02:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
That was the kind of writing on the wall of what's come to pass, really, isn't it?
00:02:13
Tom Crack
Yeah, absolutely. we i mean, as you as you pointed out there, like those were the games we went into after we got like you know the likes of City and Liverpool out the way and a few other teams like that. It was very much a game we saw as, you know, vis we can take something here, we can get something here. And it was I think it's it's the home game against Everton this season, arguably, is one of our worst performances of the season.
00:02:33
Tom Crack
I think in terms of at the time, what the expectation was and just the... Even the performance of the crowd, it was just a really flat performance all round, really. And it was, yeah, a tough one. And yeah, as you said, it's kind of epitomised as how the season's gone. Playing teams we thought we could get something against haven't and maybe in the games we've performed the worst in.
00:02:52
Tom Crack
And it's the reason why um relegation was confirmed last week, because performances like that, because i think against top sides, we not necessarily expect to get anything against.
00:02:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah,
00:03:00
Tom Crack
We've actually either got a well-earned point or three points, or at least made a good showing of ourselves. But especially against, you know, ah yeah was it Deich in charge at that point?
00:03:11
Tom Crack
Or...
00:03:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
it would have been. Yeah.
00:03:12
Tom Crack
Yeah, um yeah ah a moizeless Everton with Sean Dyche at the helm.
00:03:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:03:17
Tom Crack
who They both play very different styles of football. ah Very sort um pedestrian and sort of not very exciting brand of football with Dyche at the helm. We couldn't even get anything out of that game. So yeah, like you said, we weren't to know back
Injuries and Squad Changes
00:03:29
Tom Crack
then. We thought it was just a...
00:03:31
Tom Crack
fluff of performance, I guess, but it was kind of indicative of how this entire season's gone. Real shame. um I was hoping, you know, these last few games of season, you look them paper, they are much easier, if you want to call it that way, than the previous games. And I was saying earlier in the season, look, if we're still in the fight, there's four games here, we could really go and do something. Obviously, it's not the case now, unfortunately, but...
00:03:54
Tom Crack
Still exciting to go there. Everton, really, really fantastic club. Their support was a bit a bit um you know contentious against the ownership in recent years, but you know you can't deny that one of a few teams never been relegated from the top division, and you know for good reason. They're a really historical club on the up, and yeah it's going exciting game on the weekend, regardless of how our season's gone.
00:04:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think they've been relegated from the top division. Do you mean the Premier League?
00:04:16
Tom Crack
Are they? Yes, I do. Sorry. Yes, I do. Sorry.
00:04:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, they've never been relegated from the Prem, but football did start before the Premier League era, Tom.
00:04:23
Tom Crack
Nah, it didn't, Richard.
00:04:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, no, sorry.
00:04:25
Tom Crack
filter
00:04:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, that' thats that's the that's the TikTok Instagram generation.
00:04:28
Tom Crack
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:04:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, no, I assure everybody it did. and And at one point, Everton weren't in the top division, but a very, very long time ago.
00:04:32
Tom Crack
yeah
00:04:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
i think behind Arsenal, they're the they are the longest serving club.
00:04:40
Tom Crack
Yeah, yeah.
00:04:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
um They've obviously had a few brushes with relicgate i mean its some incredibly miraculous ah escapes over the last sort of five or six years. But this year has been pretty comfortable, as we say, since Moyes has come in. That being said, they're not in brilliant form. they've only won one, I think, of the last five games. I think...
00:04:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
you know, for clubs around that kind of 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th part of the division, which normally has a bit of jeopardy going into the final kind of month of the season. There's just none of that this year, such as being the performances of the three relegated sides, as included, unfortunately.
00:05:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
But there's a little bit of hope because the last time we were in the Prem, and we'll go back to that because... Who knows? It could be 22 years until we get into it again. ah let's Let's obviously hope not. But um we did actually win twice at Everton.
00:05:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
We won 3-0 on our first year back.
00:05:26
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:05:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Superb result. And then we won two one in the year that we got relegated as well. we we want We won three out of four games against them across those two seasons. So, you know, maybe we'll make it three wins in a row at Goodison Park, even though There's a good couple of decades in between. Let's talk about how we might line up briefly because obviously we missed nine outfield players in Mirwich against Newcastle at St James' Park last week.
00:05:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
It doesn't really sound like many of those players are coming back, does it?
00:06:01
Tom Crack
No, just look at the injury list there. We were saying before we started recording, there's 10
Everton Squad Analysis and Youth Talent
00:06:05
Tom Crack
players unavailable last week. This week's now 11 with Ben Johnson's suspension. He got St James' part last week and McKenna's press conference yesterday. he didn't actually give anything away. Nothing he usually does about injuries anyway, but it's slim picking. So I think we're going to see maybe a couple more academy players on the bench.
00:06:20
Tom Crack
You know, it's not that exciting, but you're probably to see Ben Godfrey come into the starting 11 with the lack of players we have options-wise defensively. Did see Amari Hutchison return to the bench last week. He didn't play, but you know it's a chance maybe for him to come back into the side last few games the season.
00:06:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm.
00:06:35
Tom Crack
Maybe he can stretch his legs out and ah put some good performances before the end. um I mean, yeah, considering the amount of injuries we have, there's not really many options there. Maybe again, with Chaplin, with where we are but in the league now, we'll confirm maybe he will change the squad now, want to experiment a few things, maybe bring Chaplin to the side.
00:06:51
Tom Crack
Hurst has always had a great showing the starting 11, so we could see him. But in terms of like complete rotation, it's it's hard to pick, isn' it Because there's so many players either out injured or suspended. Right-back-wise, I think we'll see O'Shea there again. He's always with Johnson out, occupying that right-wing-back role in a five occasionally.
00:07:10
Tom Crack
And obviously Axel Twanzab is still out. That's his position then. Probably Burgess, Wolfenden and Greaves. I think that'll the same four again. I'd actually see with us playing a fallback, don't see...
00:07:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Can't we bring Ben Godfrey in against his old club?
00:07:25
Tom Crack
Potentially, yeah. I mean, it's just not a very exciting movie. It's like the least exciting movie had all season, I think, in terms of incomings.
00:07:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, but he, I mean, do we really want O'Shea?
00:07:34
Tom Crack
and
00:07:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
We'll talk about O'Shea a bit later, but um do we really want O'Shea, who arguably has been the best centre-back, to be playing at right-back?
00:07:38
Tom Crack
know
00:07:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's not, I don't think he looks particularly comfortable out there. He looks quite limited to me.
00:07:46
Tom Crack
I mean, he's the most, out of all centre-backs, he's probably the most confident in that part of the field. not Obviously, know it's not a huge compliment considering he shouldn't be playing there, but you know you couldn't have Greaves or Wolfie or um Burgess playing at right back out those out of those four.
00:08:00
Tom Crack
We are just really scuppered when it comes to injury and suspensions.
00:08:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Nope.
00:08:04
Tom Crack
and it's The right side, all season long, attacking and defending, has been so unlucky with injuries. like if it's ah and If you look at like going forward slightly, we had... Burns at the start of a year who got a slight injury and, again, i've don't know if in quality would have been able to last in the league.
00:08:19
Tom Crack
Omari's struggled on the right a bit more. And then Ogbené, unfortunately, got really hurt. And then Philogene's come in and he's got hurt. It's just that whole right side from attack to the back is...
Ipswich's End of Season Reflections
00:08:29
Tom Crack
Been an absolute curse this season. um Yeah, been really difficult. i don't even know where to start. I think we'd see the Lappelhurst at top and then maybe Luongo will come in again. it's you know it's i think now relegation is confirmed, it could be complete free reign the Huby start.
00:08:43
Tom Crack
Maybe some mechanic players come in.
00:08:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, yeah, that'd be all right, wouldn't it?
00:08:45
Tom Crack
I'm not sure.
00:08:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, i don't I don't pretend to know too much about um some of the prospects coming through, but um if we did have a right back in there, perhaps it's ah perhaps it's time to actually put a right back in the right back position. ah But anyway, well ah crazy talk indeed, but we'll find out.
00:08:57
Tom Crack
Crazy talk.
00:09:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
um So Davis will be back, will he, at left back? Or is he still suspended?
00:09:04
Tom Crack
He's um still suspended be back on the 18th of May is when his suspension was lifted.
00:09:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Of course, it was a straight red, wasn't it? Yes.
00:09:10
Tom Crack
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, okay. Yeah, well, maybe, I mean, McKenna's always a bit tight-lipped about these things in terms of, like, player aability availability and stuff. So maybe one or two do come back or make the bench. i mean, Kiyoste was back on the bench last week and, as you mentioned, Hutchinson as well.
00:09:22
Tom Crack
Hmm.
00:09:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
So maybe they do. I mean, look, they're not going to risk anything at this stage of the season. It's kind of pointless, to be perfectly honest. I mean, we're not throwing games away, obviously, but at the same time, If someone's playing with an injury and it's a bit of a risk, it it just doesn't really, particularly if it's somebody else's player, like Jenske Uste, for example.
00:09:42
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:09:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Yeah, I agree. I think it will be a fairly similar, um rather limited line-up like it was at Newcastle last week. a quick Quick word on Everton. I mean, they they seem to be, as I mentioned, there's not a lot of jeopardy in their season really at the moment. So maybe on the beach a little bit, good time to play them potentially.
00:10:02
Tom Crack
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I think, you know, there's there's some real quality in there. And, you know, I think if Moyes hadn't come through and he were still flirting relegation, I think a few of these players could potentially be on the way.
00:10:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:10:11
Tom Crack
i mean, it's exciting. But saying that is exciting times now with a new stadium and bit more stability there. You know, Brant Freight's been talked about a lot of a potential move to a um ah bigger side, if you want to call Everton not a bigger side. um But I think with Moyes now hoping to develop him, you know, I think...
00:10:25
Tom Crack
I heard, think it was their game against Chelsea last week. I think they are the second oldest average starting XI this season. So they are in need of a bit of an overhaul. um You look at a lot of players there, you know, Adrissi Gay's been there for a long time.
00:10:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:10:37
Tom Crack
Patterson, you know, I think, you know, to be honest, um you know, Seamus Coleman's still on the books. He probably averages the age up quite a bit, to be honest, doesn't he? But there's a lot of players there I feel could be moving on um or bringing some incomings. Me and James spoke about recently if, you know,
00:10:51
Tom Crack
if Liam Dallap was to leave this summer, which, you know, all intents and purposes is the case, we Everton would great spot from Beto's not been the most reliable up top. And it's a great club to be at where, you know, you're not necessarily expected to be challenged with the title, but it's a bit more stability and I think it could be a good
Transfer Rumors and Future Planning
00:11:05
Tom Crack
move for him. So there's areas in the field that Everton definitely need addressing this summer. But I think just in terms of his last few games, you know, like you said, they may be on the holidays already. They were quite uninspiring at Chelsea last week. You know, Chelsea haven't been that great in recent weeks as well because were able to get a point in there, weren't they?
00:11:20
Tom Crack
But... um
00:11:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, they're just drawing a lot of games, aren't they?
00:11:21
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:11:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, you you know, they obviously they obviously lost to City and lost to Chelsea.
00:11:25
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:11:27
Tom Crack
No shame in that. Yeah.
00:11:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
But, you know, they drew drew with Arsenal, they drew with Wolves, have obviously been in incredible form. You know, Man United, I mean, it's it's kind of a classic Moyes team, really. Not a lot of goals, particularly. They've not necessarily solved that. i think they've only scored 34 all season. is that Is that right? I think they only have scored 34 all season.
00:11:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
So it's only one more than us.
00:11:48
Tom Crack
Yeah. 34. Yeah.
00:11:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
and But obviously, obviously defensively, they've they've been a lot stronger and they and they don't lose that many games. They tend to draw quite a lot. So yeah, tough game, I suppose. But um yeah, i suppose hopefully we can put up a little bit more of a fight than than we could at Newcastle. and And maybe we can try and get through a game with 11 players on the pitch.
00:12:08
Tom Crack
wishful thinking wishful thinking I don't know maybe yeah we'll see we can't afford to have any more suspensions can we or injuries even if the games aren't mattering yeah
00:12:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, just...
00:12:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Discipline, guys, discipline. No, we can't. All right, that'll do for part one. When we come back, we'll be talking about some of the yeah transfer news, which is invariably revving up as we head towards the summer.
00:13:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we are back on the Daily Ipswich. Welcome part two. So, ah Tom, the yeah, the rumour mill, as I say, invariably starts to get going at this time of year.
00:13:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Nobody particularly wants to talk about the games and the results anymore. So we start to look towards the future.
00:13:20
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:13:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, even the club kind of doing that to a certain extent with, you know, McKenna sort of saying, well, you know, we want to try and win the games and obviously get some points for the fans and finish strongly and all those kind of things.
00:13:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
But, Ultimately, we are in, you know, the kind of looking forward phase and planning for the summer. And and there's been some rumours. So what's what's caught your eye? i mean, the first one really was the Hutchinson thing that sort of broke at the start of this week or the middle of this week around, i think Burnley and Leeds were showing an interest in him.
00:13:49
Tom Crack
yeah
00:13:52
Tom Crack
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's not a surprise that, you know, the two sides who have confirmed to be going up um automatically to Premier League next season and are interested in a player like that. You know, we we we are very much, i don't want to say if guilty is the right word of it, but we were the team this past year, this past season, I should say, who signed, you know, the best the best of the Championship or some teams who went down last year and brought them to us for the most part.
00:14:16
Tom Crack
And Hutchinson very much fits that bill. I know living up in the North Yorkshire area, I have a lot of friends who are Leeds fans and they've been asking me about them a lot the past couple of days. And Mac's lyrical about him of course, because he's been fantastic for us, especially last season.
00:14:33
Tom Crack
But I said, you know, i don't get your hopes too much because this season it's been quite difficult for him. And I don't know whether that's due to... We've discussed perhaps until the cows come home. It could be whether physicality, mental injuries, you know,
00:14:44
Tom Crack
There's been brushings of brilliance, you know, the goal against United, goal against Chelsea. There's been a few moments there, a few performances, I think, away at Wolves. He looked really good as well. So there's obviously a decent player in there. i don't know I don't know if a change of immediate scenery and and most likely an immediate relegation battle again would be the best thing for him.
00:15:01
Tom Crack
And also a new team where he may not be the first in the team she likes use years of us when fully fit.
00:15:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm.
00:15:06
Tom Crack
But, you know, it's it comes of a territory where we are now, considering we're a relegated side. De Lapp, obviously, and a few other players, there's some good quality in there individually, where despite the fact we haven't been able to put it a team this season. And some clubs will be interested.
00:15:19
Tom Crack
I think it's a £35 million pound release clause, which is a few more than we paid for him. So you may not have a say in it, but I think the player himself would like... That's the thing, because like there's a lot of players... you know it's It's a cliche, isn't it? When um you go but you get relegated, your best players get poached, no matter like if they want to stay or not.
00:15:39
Tom Crack
And we haven't really had a taste of that really in recent years. But there's so many transfers within the club, I can't see it being the case, despite never and even if they are reported to leave. Because I just think... like We really get it, but there's so many good things going on with club regardless of that, ah compared to Leicester and Southampton where I can see a complete exodus and their best players leaving very quickly.
00:15:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep.
00:15:59
Tom Crack
think that would be the case of us. you know, Dilap, he's been fantastic. He's only been there for a year. It's not that sort of big romantic sort of allegiance he has to the club and, you know, he's quite right to move on. But don't think Hutchinson's that sort of player and I think he'll hopefully want to stick out. But, you know, if it comes through, it comes through.
00:16:14
Tom Crack
What do you think about Leeds potentially being decided for them to be a right move or just, you know, new promoted side, get that sort player?
00:16:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it? It's very difficult to judge him, I think, on this season. um
00:16:27
Tom Crack
and Yeah.
00:16:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
i think there was quite, if I'm brutally honest, i and i was so I spoke to you about this at the start of the season, and i think there was a bit more hyperbole around Hutchinson than was maybe um merited to a certain extent.
00:16:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think he clearly was a very you know good young player and had a lot of potential has a lot of potential, a lot of skill, a lot of talent. And in the second half the of the championship season, he was great.
00:16:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
he He improved massively.
00:16:56
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:16:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
But in the first half, he was very limited and quite lightweight.
00:17:01
Tom Crack
yeah
00:17:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
And obviously McKenna you know asked him to do certain things and there was much more of a disciplined side to his game and stuff and and the quality that he had kind of like shone through in the lower division. And I kind of think that since he's come up, yes, he's had flashes and clearly you don't go to Arsenal and Chelsea and you know come through the ranks of those clubs without having a lot of talent.
00:17:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
But we also know that a lot of people that come through those academies and those clubs don't always make it to the very top. And so I was always a little bit with Hutchinson, if I'm honest, a bit like I think we as town fans, because we maybe have, we've been starved of like quality players for, you know, two decades, really.
00:17:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
All of a sudden we had this sparky kind of like great player, great little player, but he becomes something more with a club like Ipswich than than actually I think the reality of him is, in my humble opinion.
00:17:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
I would love to be proved wrong. I would love for him to be like, you know, flying and and really develop into into a you know a really effective Premier League player. But I'm not sure if this season has proved that he necessarily will do that on a consistent basis.
00:18:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
That being said, it's his first year. So I'm very much willing to be proved wrong. But I think you look at someone like Wilson Odebeir, who had a decent year for Burnley last year in a relegated side. I think he had a better year than Hutchinson has had for us.
00:18:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
And so even though he's been injured at quite a lot of Spurs, when he's played for Spurs, you can see the quality that he's got. And he doesn't look overawed by the situation of being at a big club and stuff.
00:18:26
Tom Crack
ye
00:18:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hutchinson may get there, but I'm not sure if we we've necessarily seen that so much for him this year. So if you're asking me, would I sell him? i think if it's £35 million and he wanted to go and prove himself in the Premier League, I don't think I'd stand in his way personally.
00:18:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because we have Filagene and Filagene's a similar player who, you know, want.
00:18:52
Tom Crack
And bet I
00:18:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Anogbena, yeah.
00:18:53
Tom Crack
you
00:18:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
and you And you, you know, if if Hutchinson's going to be your future number 10, I think keep him. But if he's not, if he's just another winger that we have, then I think you could argue that Filagene could be, well, he'll certainly be as good in the championship because he proved that he was with Hull.
00:19:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
and And then maybe he has an opportunity when we when we when we or if we get back into the Premier
Ipswich's Transfer Strategy and Financial Balance
00:19:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
League. So if I'm honest, that's that's my humble thoughts on Amari. Yeah.
00:19:18
Tom Crack
Yeah, i I hate the fact that I'm not as emotionally invested in this transfer or in this potential departure to say then you know if maybe Leif Davis does end up leaving in the summer.
00:19:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:19:30
Tom Crack
Obviously, you know but that's a mixture of the slight bit more like length of time Davis has been the club compared to Hutchinson, but you know both equally as involved and as important to last season's promotion.
00:19:41
Tom Crack
But it's just just been there's been a lack of something this season. and it's not you know it's His injuries haven't helped him, but when on the pitch, and it's much harder to stand out offensively than it is defensively because you know you've got to put the ball in the back of the net, whereas you've just got to stop a tackle here and there.
00:19:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah
00:19:55
Tom Crack
Not not that's an easy thing to do. But yeah, I don't think he's connected as well with the fan base as I'd like to this season. it's been It's been tough for him. It's been really tough for him. But we we do have players in that part of the field, I think, you know who haven't scored as many goals as well, just like him, like Filagene and Ogbené.
00:20:14
Tom Crack
But i think there's been moments from them where I've been a bit more impressed. I don't know. I thought we always have these Hutchinson ah discussions being here.
00:20:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
I would agree.
00:20:23
Tom Crack
There's so much, because like you said, there's so much within him. within him And again, that could just be that sort of Arsenal-Chelsea tax where you just expect there to be that sort of level of player because he was there before.
00:20:35
Tom Crack
And it's difficult to paint him that brush because, you know, you're not going to...
00:20:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:20:38
Tom Crack
There's hundreds and hundreds of young lads and young girls who go that academy when they're younger and don't end up staying for the rest of their career. And, you know, they leave because the quality is arguably not there to be at that level the whole time.
00:20:48
Tom Crack
But the quality must have been there to at least have a decent stretch somewhere else. And he has it of us. But maybe we just expect too much of him. and
00:20:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think so. Yeah.
00:20:59
Tom Crack
Yeah, it's a tough one to swallow.
00:20:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think, I think, I think that's kind of what it comes down to.
00:21:01
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:21:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
i think, I think ultimately he had a great half a season for us and, No doubt about it. We do not get promoted without Omari Hutchinson's form in the latter half of that championship season.
00:21:12
Tom Crack
Absolutely.
00:21:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
No way. But there was a lot of, you know, the price tag was quite, well, it wasn't massive. I think it's probably what you would expect to pay for a, you know, winger coming from Chelsea.
00:21:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
um I think it was actually a decent price for him, to be honest. But um yeah, it's just been harder for him than I think people have made out. And I think the way we've played this year, obviously,
00:21:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
The attackers have found it more difficult to to sort of stand out, dilap aside. you know None of the wingers have covered themselves in in glory in terms of like consistent form.
00:21:40
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:21:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
McKenna's struggled to find the right combination across the pitch. Players haven't been fit. Lots of different reasons. But Hutchinson hasn't quite had... And he had a long run at the number 10 at the start of the season. He was playing in that position quite a lot. um Wasn't quite grabbing those games um and was...
00:22:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, but maybe falling out of games a little bit and more than we might have hoped or expected potentially.
00:22:11
Tom Crack
Yeah, no, absolutely. I think just overall, it's just to be interesting what happens There's many players within the side, I think, this summer who there's so many big question marks around whether they stay or go.
00:22:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:22:20
Tom Crack
Unfortunately, outgoings are going to need a much more bigger conversation than incomings for the time being.
00:22:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah.
00:22:25
Tom Crack
But we shall see with him. Yeah.
00:22:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. And I also say this all with a caveat, look, if it's a rumour and it doesn't happen and he sticks around, great. he's ah He is a really, really good player.
00:22:33
Tom Crack
Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:22:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
But if it's 35 mil on the table, we've got other players to do a similar job to him. ah You know, Town have got a balance the book somewhere. They spent 120 million last summer so that we're going to have to sell at some point.
00:22:48
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:22:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
and So that, you know, you you are covered at least in that position rather than some of the other parts of the pitch.
00:22:54
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:22:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Anyway, so let's move on from from Amari. We'll wait and see on that one. ah What's the other what's the other um gossip going on? Anything caught your eye?
00:23:05
Tom Crack
I've seen, um and not as exciting one, um but I've seen that ah Ben Johnson's linked with a move to Fulham.
00:23:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right.
00:23:15
Tom Crack
I'm not sure. i mean, know their left's Fulham with their left side of Robinson, you know, there's a big talk for some about whether him leaving. I think obviously Kirk is most likely going to Liverpool. That won't be the case. That's one club they can hopefully um wear off. But at the right side, yeah, they've got Castagne there at the moment, obviously might change off and on. But, you know, Johnson leaving,
00:23:40
Tom Crack
Yeah, you can tell my sort of sort of exasperation there is I'm not that overly gassed if he stays or goes, to be honest. He's had some good performances in there. Absolutely. Spurs away. i think everyone everyone put a great performance there and a few other games from as well.
00:23:54
Tom Crack
Does he want to be Championship? But... yeah, what sort player are Fulham going to get? Because the great season they've had, I'm sure there's better right backs out right backs out there for them. i don't think he's really ready at this point in his career to just be a backup. I think he very much came to just to to expect to be a starter, but Twan Zabie kind of just booted him out the position when fully fit and he had to sort of accept this sort of hybrid right wing back role, which...
00:24:15
Tom Crack
He's performed well in. I mean, you look at him, like, we've we've said, like, it's a strange say, but when we put it to line-up, I don't trust Ben Johns as a right-back solo, but as a right-wing back for Transavis, as a support system behind him, I fully, like, um endorse that.
00:24:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
ye
00:24:29
Tom Crack
He's been great in our position. So, are Fulham going to want that because they've got very good attack and threat? But it could just be depth for Fulham. Does he want to be depth? I'm not sure. But he's on quite a bit of money of us as well. I think he's on around...
00:24:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:24:41
Tom Crack
I think that's the main reason why we're seeing this transfer link. And I think it's the main reason why a player like him might leave this summer.
Player Wages and Team Dynamics
00:24:47
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:24:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. I mean, he's never, he's never not played in the premier league, has he? So he he came through the, rat he came through the ranks at West Ham and he's only ever known premier league football.
00:24:51
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:24:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, um, you know, from the player's perspective, sorry. Um, if a club like Fulham came in for him, you would, you would imagine that he might want to take that on,
00:24:59
Tom Crack
yeah
00:25:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
um
00:25:05
Tom Crack
Hmm.
00:25:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know how much we'd get for him necessarily. I don't think it would be a massive fee, but obviously it would be, you know, considering we got him for free, it would be something.
00:25:14
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:25:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
um So i can I can very much see that one happening. i I've actually ah i've quite liked him. i think in I think in the results where, you know, the games where we picked up our best results, apart from Chelsea at home, Spurs away and Chelsea away,
00:25:29
Tom Crack
It was brilliant, wasn't it?
00:25:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
But he was really, really good. I think he was really good at Villa as well.
00:25:32
Tom Crack
yeah
00:25:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
So in the in the best moments of the season, he's kind of been in the team, actually. But you're right. He's been in that kind of like hybrid role where he's not quite one thing or the other, really.
00:25:43
Tom Crack
And we wouldn't have that in the championship, that sort of fire at the back, because we'd we'd hope to be going forward a bit more.
00:25:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
um
00:25:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Probably not, now Yeah.
00:25:50
Tom Crack
um Yeah. Keep for a year, bring it back in the year we get promoted.
00:25:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, the thing is, I think you're right. I've no idea. Do you know what he's on, on WageWise?
00:25:58
Tom Crack
I'm reading around 30 to 40 a week.
00:26:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Is that it?
00:26:02
Tom Crack
Yeah, think it's quite a lot.
00:26:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, I mean, I'd take it sure. But um but is that well who's the highest play player at the club?
00:26:06
Tom Crack
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Do we know?
00:26:12
Tom Crack
I'm going to take a gamble and say, yeah, it's Mario Hutchins for that.
00:26:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Amari, maybe.
00:26:18
Tom Crack
nice pitched player Oh, well, yeah.
00:26:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Or Calvin.
00:26:20
Tom Crack
i mean Axel Twenzaby is actually the highest paid player um who's not a loanee. um It's 2 million a year, which you know my maths isn't very good, um which is 40 week.
00:26:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
What's he on?
00:26:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay. I mean, two answers.
00:26:38
Tom Crack
Calvin Phillips 150 a week is like more than double than anyone on the books Ben Godfrey second three of the top four runners are low knees of Q state number four
00:26:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's ridiculous.
00:26:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, honestly, we'll i mean yeah we'll do a review of the season when we get to it, but Calvin Phillips, man, God, it's not it's not it's not worked, has it?
00:26:55
Tom Crack
i've been I've been saying, as I said just a few minutes ago, I've got a lot of um colleagues, friends who are Leeds fans and but a lot of them being promoted now, they are very much romanticising that move. And a lot of them were saying yesterday and a few days ago saying, oh, you know, it'd be good to have that sort of Premier League experience and complain a bit. was like, you don't know what you're ordering. I mean, it's the thing. I had that sort of ah mindset and we all, I think it was more the hope that of that at the start of the season. I think it's even more amplified of them because if they got ah they they they had him when he was decent.
Ipswich Player of the Year Debate
00:27:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:27:24
Tom Crack
and he's from the area and stuff, I think it it makes all the sense in the world for to go back there. Maybe he'll be motivated to play for them. But they'll have to sell him. they have to buy him Leeds because he's got two years left in his deal at City unless he's doing another loan move because I think Leeds comes before them.
00:27:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah but a City might at this point be open for terming terminating the contract or taking a very, very small fee, like a nominal fee for him.
00:27:44
Tom Crack
Yeah. Yeah, true.
00:27:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
the guys just The guy can't find fitness and therefore he can't find any form.
00:27:50
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:27:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
You know, he's been he's been all right for us, but all right, it's not going to cut it. And all right for 150 grand is just not not cool.
00:27:57
Tom Crack
Nah.
00:27:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
um So, yeah, it's been disappointing, but never mind. so and All right, let's take another quick break. and when we come back, we'll do a little bit more transfer talk. And then we will talk about some rumours around player of the year.
00:28:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
we are back for the final part of the show. So yeah, Ben Johnson potentially on his way. There was also, McKenna was talking about this isn't really a... um a transfer rumour to be honest, but he was talking about Jens Kiyuste, uh, you know, whether he would like to have him next year at Portman road.
00:28:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
um and obviously McKenna was, you know, uh, fairly diplomatic about the whole thing. Didn't particularly want to talk about other people's players because as we know, he's not our player. He belongs to Napoli.
00:29:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Um, but he sort of said, I think it, I think it's obvious. And he talked about how good a season that Jens has had. And, um you know, the form that he showed in a in a struggling side and a new division, all the rest of it. yeah I mean, he has come out with a lot of credit. can you stay he's He's clearly been the best midfielder ah performing wise.
00:29:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
And supposedly fans are citing him alongside Liam Dallapp and Dara O'Shea as one of the leading contenders for the player of the year.
00:29:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
the The club's player of the year. The fans, do do we have players player and and fans player is it just fans player?
00:29:44
Tom Crack
No idea, mate.
00:29:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Player of the year. just let's Let's just call it player of the year.
00:29:48
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:29:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
So out of the three, Tom, can you make it can you can you make a case for all three?
00:29:52
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:29:57
Tom Crack
Well, I think i think the yeah not play the do the bor get boring arts ah boring answer out of the way first of Liam DeLapp, I think you know the attention he's grabbed not just from us, but from fans outside of Ipswich this season, it's been brilliant.
00:30:12
Tom Crack
He's also gone on training with the senior side of the national team. Full expected to be in the range of that in the last stages of the calendar year. And it's just been brilliant. like We haven't had a proper, proper striker for so long. I know George Harris has been fantastic and been a really good servant, but just an immediate goal threat and fear within opposing centre-backs and all but all all all those of cliches you can say about a decent striker. And it's just been brilliant to watch.
00:30:37
Tom Crack
And it's going to be a shame to see him go, but I'm also really looking forward to see what he's going to do. was saying it's a shame to He might stay, but you never know. But if he does leave and stay in the Premier League, I really hope he can soldier on because he's been ah fantastic player for us since in the small time he's been there.
00:30:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:30:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep.
00:30:51
Tom Crack
yeah Jens Kiyuste, I admit, well, I'd like to think I'm in the majority here when we signed him on loan. I didn't know know much about him. i we We said a few times how Brentford are interested in him and Brentford, a solid mid-table side who are hoping to get Europe every now and then, wanted him. And they usually have scouted very good players. I thought that must be a decent player there.
00:31:12
Tom Crack
and it And it proved to be. i think his the thing that's impressed me most is not just his physicality, but it's also his speed and he's they able to turn and face. And, you know, Morsi's great at holding the ball and tackling in the centre, but equally as is Cayuste. But the thing Cayuste can do is turn and then run forward and create play.
00:31:31
Tom Crack
I think we're just in a team which struggles in front of goals where he's not able to create as much as he'd like to. but He's been really impressive. He's got that lovely long throw as well and just been a really, really important player to the side the season. I think that's why, you know, are really, really tempted, are really, really hoping and we can keep him. But just going down the league below, coming from Serie A and being how good he's been this season, it's be really, really unlikely to do so.
00:31:52
Tom Crack
Daro Shea, you know, we've we've he's been such a sort of ah divisive figure on this podcast all season long. I was very much in the ballpark.
00:32:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think it's only isn't it, though?
00:32:03
Tom Crack
Well, i was I was very much on your your end ah start the start of season, you know, as as why why do we bring this player in when we've got Greaves and Wolfenden and Burgess and, you know, an argument can still be made for that if if you'd like. And i'm so I'm not saying, you know, he's been revolutionary and, you know, he's like Gareth McCauley and Terry Butcher and people like that and a player who's going to be there for years to come. And he's been a revolutionary sense back for up to his town.
00:32:29
Tom Crack
But I think he's found his feet as the season's gone on. And, you know, it like can that may be a small compliment. And, you know, in the context of season, it's not, you know, it's not going to keep us up. But with him, you've seen confidence grow. I think getting the armband when Morsi's out has definitely sort of helped him a lot. And it shows the sort of character he must be in a dressing room for that to be the case, to be awarded that. Because on the pitch, maybe the start of season, at least the performances weren't there to warrant the armband.
00:32:54
Tom Crack
But I think as the season's gone on, you've seen a decent player in there. And most of the important blocks we've seen, he's been there or thereabouts. And his distribution at the back, I think, is better than Greaves. Burgess, you could argue, is equal to.
00:33:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:33:05
Tom Crack
I think all around, in the defence, he's been our best player this season. you know And we've been on show defence more than we have attacking-wise because we've lost more games than we've won. So i think play of season for me would still be DeLat because you know it's hard and not to um like take away from how brilliant he's been in a struggling side.
00:33:25
Tom Crack
But I think O'Shea has really, really impressed me as someone who's come in with very little fanfare. I'd say out all the transfer he made this summer, he's one of the least inspiring ones or one of the least ones we want to talk about in a positive way.
00:33:36
Tom Crack
But as the season's gone on, he's really, really impressed me. I think his confidence and his qualities improved. I really do hope he stays as well because I'd be baffled of him if you'd like to do if he wants to do this in fair play. But he was he was at Burnley the year before getting relegated.
00:33:50
Tom Crack
He's now had two relegations in a row. Does he want to do that potentially three times in a row if he goes back to Burnley or Leeds or Sheffield or Coventry, whoever gets the playoff win? I wouldn't. And, you know, he seems to have found a manager and who really, really trusts him and a system where he can really thrive in and, you know, be great to play in a season where you're not having to fight for your life for 80 to 90 minutes.
00:34:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:34:09
Tom Crack
You can relax a bit more and grow some confidence as a defender and a leader. And I think there's a good chance when he can do that. So, yeah, I think O'Shea's been fantastic and warranted. If he is nominated for one of the players of the season, I think it's very much deserved.
00:34:22
Tom Crack
Yeah. So O'Shea seems to be on that list. are you are you and are you in that opinion with O'Shea? know you've been a bit more divisive in this season, but you you have to see the performance the performances have improved, I think.
00:34:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, ah without a shadow of a doubt, i I would agree with you. and ah i don't, I think in a, I think it's, I think it's fine to sort of like, you know, say within the defence or whatever that he has been a, you know, one of the better performers. And I think that's probably fair. I would also say that Burgess has not been has never let anyone down when he's been in the team and arguably should have played more games.
00:34:58
Tom Crack
Yep. Yeah.
00:34:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah You could probably say the same for Wolfenden to a certain extent, although he maybe does look half a yard too slow um in the Premier League.
00:35:07
Tom Crack
yeah
00:35:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
And i think I think those three would be the the three defenders that you would you could arguably say have been the best of of the lot. Tuanzebe's been okay, but he's he's missed a lot of football. And, you know, Davis has had a...
00:35:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah ah A disappointing year, I think it's fair to say. and I think Greaves has probably been a bit more disappointing than, you know, when he started, he looked like a million dollars and we were like, look at the player that we've got.
00:35:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I and i actually think he will turn into that player. But I think for injuries and whatever reason, he seems to have lost a bit of confidence and he and he's quite error prone or has been quite error prone.
00:35:36
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:35:43
Tom Crack
Agreed.
00:35:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
So I think he'll he'll definitely um stick around and I think you know he'll he'll definitely benefit from going back to the Championship. but in So in O'Shea's case, yes, he's been the best of, dare I say it, a bad bunch.
00:35:56
Tom Crack
Okay.
00:35:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
but i But I don't think that warrants him being... you know, and this is a very nebulous kind of like prize anyway, it's just people's opinions. Right. But my personal opinion is that I wouldn't give it to ah defender in the situation that we've been in.
00:36:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes. I agree with your summation that, you know, you've seen more of them in action because we've done more defending than we've done more attacking, but actually have we done more defending because we've been slapped about a bit quite, quite a few times.
00:36:21
Tom Crack
Yeah. True.
00:36:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
and So he's been all right. He's been okay. And I would completely agree with you that he's improved. I completely agree that he's probably going to be there next year. Why would he want to keep you know in that cycle of going up and down? Unless he's got you know a love for Burnley and wants to go back there, I'm sure that they would maybe take him back.
00:36:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
But I reckon he's going to be quite comfortable at Ipswich. I could see him being there for sort of five or six years because I think he'll get the armband after Morsi.
00:36:45
Tom Crack
agreed
00:36:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, yeah, it looks like he's got a good gig there for a while. um The other two, can you stay... definitely has a lot of class. there's There's issues around the the fitness, the 90 minutes thing, the robustness of the championship, if that was even a possibility. But he's definitely had a good year.
00:37:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
um And he's proved the type of player that Town need kind of moving forward. But I think by a mile, it's De Lapp. Because he's proven, you know, no one thought the start the season. Liam Dillap was, you know, we were thinking about him on the left-hand side because that's where he was playing for Hull.
00:37:19
Tom Crack
Mm-hmm.
00:37:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're thinking Hurst up front and Dillap would be, you know, maybe on the left. And he wasn't necessarily going to be every every week in the team and stuff. But from the from day one, he's made it his own. um Maybe he's fallen off a little bit towards the end of the season. Maybe some of the rumours have...
00:37:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe got him thinking, you know, a bit more distracted potentially in the last couple of months. I think that's so, you know, that's fairly um understandable really for a 21-year-old, 22-year-old guy who's maybe thinking about his future and stuff.
00:37:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
But he's been unbelievable really for, ah you know, and and I mean across the league, not just Ipswich level. i think across the league, he's been one of the best strikers in the division and that says a lot. So I think it's by a mile, it's him.
00:38:00
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:38:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
But yeah, the other two have... have definitely had better seasons than most, I think it's fair to say.
00:38:07
Tom Crack
yeah Yeah, just echoing your point before we wrap up. like i was not I wasn't like uninspired by his transfer at the start the season, but you know we needed goals at the start the season.
00:38:17
Tom Crack
was just something you have to have as a Premier League side and when he When he was signed as you know one of the main attacking threats you'd expect to be at the start of the season, was like, okay, didn't light the world up in the Championship.
00:38:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:38:29
Tom Crack
decent Decent player here and there. There's a few more moves.
00:38:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm.
00:38:31
Tom Crack
like Schmodek's excited me a bit more just because he scored more last season, but
00:38:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:38:36
Tom Crack
He's been a revelation. but it's just It's just incredible to watch that that sort of player. You don't get that sort of player that much because he's just bulldozed players and runs at them rather than holding up and playing that sort of pedestrian football.
00:38:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:38:48
Tom Crack
you know Maybe that's something have we've we've talked about having house maybe if he goes a side who will have more possession where he will get they'll get the ball around the six-yard box rather than the halfway line. He might have adapt his game, but we've seen his hold-up play around that area. been really good. He got a great goal against Wolves at Portham Road
Predictions and Closing Remarks
00:39:03
Tom Crack
three weeks ago. Really good goal at Villa Park, similar sort of area. So I'm sure he's ready to play that way if needs be.
00:39:10
Tom Crack
been a great Been a great player this season and most likely going leave, and I'm sure. And hopefully he'll be just as good, if not better.
00:39:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
A one-season wonder, maybe.
00:39:18
Tom Crack
Yeah, absolutely.
00:39:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe. And then maybe he doesn't get in the team at the big club that he moves to and he comes back to Ipswich. Who knows?
00:39:24
Tom Crack
Yeah, exactly.
00:39:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
um
00:39:26
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:39:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
We'll see. We'll see. All right, before we go, Tom, quickly, ah let's get back to the game. um Any predictions for Saturday?
00:39:33
Tom Crack
ah it's It's a tough tough tough one to call. I mean, we've been we've been better away from home this season than we have been. ah Away from home, we have been at home, that's for sure. I can't see us being any worse than we were against Everton earlier in the season.
00:39:47
Tom Crack
Maybe there's a bit of reckless abandon knowing that relegation is now done. Who knows? I'll i'll say 1-0. I'd like think we can maybe get a goal or goal or two here. But, you know, clean sheets are so difficult for us, um so I don't see it happening.
00:39:59
Tom Crack
I'll say I'll find them Goodison Park. It could be a positive one.
00:40:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm going, I'm going further. I'm going to one town.
00:40:07
Tom Crack
Okay, okay.
00:40:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Why not? I think we'll catch them with their pants.
00:40:10
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:40:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
i think we'll catch them with their pants down. They don't score many goals. We'll get a couple of breakaway ones.
00:40:15
Tom Crack
Yeah, why not?
00:40:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Who knows? Let's try and win a couple of games before we before we go back to the champ.
00:40:20
Tom Crack
Yeah.
00:40:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
All right, that'll do it for this week then. ah Well, for today's episode, we will see you on Monday where we will be reviewing Saturday's game. So everybody have a great weekend and we will see you then.