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Beyond the Pitch Episode 92: COPA 71 Episode 3: Governance, Power Relations and Sexualisation in the Womens Game
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In the third episode of our Hidden Game series, we explore the inequalities that shaped the early days of women’s football. From playing on muddy fields to being dismissed as "a man’s game," we uncover the systemic barriers faced by female players and how their passion and resilience turned resistance into progress. Drawing on stories from Copa ’71 and modern parallels, we discuss the continued challenges, from media bias to institutional neglect, that women’s football still battles today. Tune in as we celebrate the courage of pioneers and reflect on how their legacy inspires the game’s fight for equality.
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00:00:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome to
Introduction to 'Beyond the Pitch'
00:00:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Beyond the Pitch, a daily women's football podcast brought to you by the Global Sports Podcast Network. Today is brought to you by myself, Bryony, and as always, my co-host Raj.
00:00:22
Raj
Evening, how are you doing? You all right?
00:00:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Jäger, Frankie, how are you?
00:00:26
Raj
Yeah, I'm really good. Thank you.
00:00:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Been fun watching the FA Cup games today. The men's FA Cup, let's just clarify.
00:00:34
Raj
Yeah, we've had some good results.
Men's FA Cup Highlights
00:00:36
Raj
Which result are you most excited about?
00:00:38
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What do you think? Actually, do you know what? That's a hard one, because for me, obviously, as a through and through Liverpool fan and um also a coach for Plymouth Argyle, it's difficult, you know?
00:00:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think the biggest result of the day has been Argyle beating Brantford 1-0. Take that.
00:00:54
Raj
And then we're manifesting, uh, and our goal, live pool, fixture in the next round, everybody.
00:01:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Fourth round draw.
00:01:04
Raj
So everyone, let's manifest that into the universe.
00:01:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Can you imagine?
00:01:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, by the time they hear this, they'll know the answer because the draw gets done tomorrow evening.
00:01:13
Raj
Exciting stuff.
00:01:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Indeed. Anyway, we won't talk about My United Arsenal because we don't want to manifest anything that isn't going to happen there anyway. so
00:01:21
Raj
Oh, we can win.
00:01:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Right, okay then. Into this episode
History and Challenges in Women's Football
00:01:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
and the third of our hidden game series, we are travelling back to the early days of women's football to uncover the stark realities faced by female players fighting for recognition in a world that dismissed their passion as unworthy. From their muddy pitches to being denied proper equipment,
00:01:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Their struggles tells a bigger story about the systemic neglect, institutional barriers and societal biases. Drawing on moments from Copa 71 and the hidden footage of an untold story will highlight the inequalities faced by women and how these barriers represent far more than just a lack of funding.
00:02:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
they reveal how deeply ingrained gender inequalities are and how they've shaped the sport. Today we'll examine how resilience emerged from repression and how women carved a space in the game, even when everything seemed against them.
00:02:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
So obviously last episode we went through um kind of some of the accounts of the players and we'll very much draw up upon a lot of those today. um Let's just start with um kind of what will overarch the theme of this episode.
00:02:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
It is really the power relations that stand at the top of the game that actually often limit and put a stop and a hold to the progress of the women's side of football. You know, the amount of men that have said to me in the past, you know, well, women need to do this and women need to do that if they want to see a change in the game. And I can never, you know, I'll fight till I'm black and blue in the face when I say that Women have been doing everything they can for years but they're stopped at every hurdle by men who sit higher up in the game and stop them.
00:03:10
Raj
Yeah, and I think, unfortunately, that that's exactly it. The women of of of COPPA did exactly what they needed to do. They were dedicated. ah They trained hard. They made their own way um to to be able to to get to the tournament. um They weren't relying upon anyone, and they didn't take from anyone to get themselves there. um So they had everything that they were told that they need to. But unfortunately, there were still barriers per put in their paths even before the final of of COPA 71 was able to commence. um So even during the competition, this was still happening. They were in in the middle of a ah World Cup and still battling with these issues.
00:04:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, exactly. And, you know, it's it was all, you know, so remote or strictly through the football governance and how that was dominated by men and how you know We look at this decision-making at the top of the game and you know I'll use the phrase old boys networks.
00:04:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
um so
Impact of FIFA's Leadership
00:04:26
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fifa FIFA's conservative leadership labelled women's football as disreputable and unsuitable, which of course stalled the progress of the game, um not just in during the COPA tournament, but obviously um for decades after.
00:04:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah So we are, of course, very um pleased to announce that at the end of our series, we will in fact be speaking to the historian within um the BBC documentary, David Goldblatt, who has kindly agreed to come on and speak to us. But he, when speaking in the documentary, said, the men in charge celebrated masculine virtues while dismissing women's football as immodest and unnecessary.
00:05:11
Raj
Yeah. And they weren't, they didn't hide it. They didn't make it a secret that that's that's what it was. um And in terms of sort of how we can, the women of COPPA could have gone against that or women. It's just hard. It was just so hard for them.
00:05:39
Raj
to be able to because they didn't have a voice. So those men could have said, for any reason, we're banning football or big events for football, or we don't want this sport to grow. And women just simply had to accept that for what it was because we we think we haven't got a voice today. But back in them days, it was 20 times harder. It was way harder. And women, I'm going to say, weren't as daring, weren't as strong. ah and No, I say not all women, the majority of women, I don't think could stand together and because they just didn't have rights. And I think those men at the top knew that. The women haven't got those rights, so we'll say whatever we want and they'll do it.
00:06:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, you know, actually, whether or not people would necessarily recognise it, we still see a lot of the same kind of control and dominance at the top and the effects that has on the progress of the game trickled down today. Like, you know, you look at, um like,
00:06:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
I was looking at some
Funding Disparities in Grassroots Programs
00:06:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
stats on a paper that had been released a couple of years ago, an academic paper, that claimed that through its research and the digging that it did, grassroots programs for girls still lack funding and facilities compared to boys' programs. um And it's just like, why is that?
00:07:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
you know this you know what was it 40 i think it's 40 000 um youth girls have like it's registered with an affiliated football club since the lionesses won the euros. So there is a huge influx of players. There shouldn't be any any funding issues. There is more money now we are seeing starting to be pumped into the game, even at grassroots level. For what reason are we not funding just as much on both sides of the game? And you know we still see this even more so in other countries, um for other nations wherein you could argue that when you look back at COPPA,
00:07:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
England was, although not privileged, and you know we still didn't have the backing. We still had more than what other nations had when they were having to take their self away to Mexico for the Euros, for the Copa.
00:08:09
Raj
Yeah, and it's it's it's really sad. um Just like with the Spanish women's football team being successful and and winning the World Cup.
00:08:21
Raj
I mean, what an achievement, winning a World Cup for your country. um And how the whole thing got overshadowed by the FIFA president, funnily enough.
00:08:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm hmm.
00:08:37
Raj
um
00:08:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm hmm.
00:08:40
Raj
non-consensually planting a kiss on the lips of the captain, who it was meant to be her most special moment of her life. And imagine the most fantastic moment of your life um being overshadowed by misogyny.
00:09:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, but isn't this just, isn't that just and a more overarching um representation of women in the game,
FIFA's Misogynistic Actions
00:09:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
full stop? Like, let's just look at me or you, for example, how many times has something football related that should have been one of the most enjoyable things you did? And it's a thing you enjoyed doing the most. How many times has that been overshadowed because of male more misogynistic behaviour?
00:09:27
Raj
Yeah. and and And that's the, that's, that's, that's the frustrating thing is COPA 71 footage was hidden. Why?
00:09:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:09:36
Raj
Because women were successful. The success of the ah Spanish football team winning the World Cup was overshadowed by um by a man, by the FIFA president who then began to defend his actions.
00:09:53
Raj
I'm sorry. Okay. But if The FIFA president, okay, was to plant a kiss on the male Spanish captain after winning, okay, the World Cup, because the spanish the Spanish men's team won the World Cup, as we saw.
00:10:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mhm.
00:10:15
Raj
um I think there'd be absolute uproar. I don't think there'd be any difference.
00:10:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe you just wouldn't do it.
00:10:22
Raj
Well, that's for me, yeah.
00:10:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
You wouldn't kiss a man on the lips.
00:10:23
Raj
Well, there we go. You just, wait yeah, because it's a player.
00:10:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Why would you kiss a woman on the lips?
00:10:31
Raj
It's a player, whether it's a man or a woman, it's a player. And guess what? Consent is a thing. But because she's a woman in a sport that where women aren't regarded highly, he thought he could do whatever he wants.
00:10:49
Raj
So what's changed now between Copa 71 and women's world cops today.
00:10:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, exactly. And um I think what we've got to look at is, you know, like in the final segment, we'll talk about it a little bit more, but just another example of where this has happened.
00:11:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
I won't, like I said, I won't go into the details right now, but Mary Epps winning sports personality of the year.
00:11:17
Raj
Yeah.
00:11:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
That it was not her winning sports personality of the year that made it.
00:11:20
Raj
Mm-hmm.
00:11:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
It was what she was wearing, or that it should not have been Mary Epps that won it.
00:11:26
Raj
yep
00:11:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
And you know it's just things like this.
00:11:26
Raj
the
00:11:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
But we can only hope in terms of going forward with um leadership and governance in football that we might see some change.
00:11:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
you know Obviously, the introduction of the WPLL, the Women's ah League, where they have claimed for the majority of the leadership team to be female. We can only assume and hope that this is going to be positive.
00:11:50
Raj
Yep. Yep.
00:11:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
We can only hope for it. i mean Again, someone said to me the other day, or
Gender Bias in Football Punditry
00:11:59
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made a comment about um punditry, you know, or there's always this outro, why can't we have more, ah why is there always men on on women's football and why can't we have more women, but why is there always women in men's football? Well, I don't see the problem because everywhere you go and every kind of managerial perspective, you'll never find a full female leadership team. It will never happen.
00:12:24
Raj
But also, why are men complaining because they apparently hate women talking about ah men's football anyway? ah No, so sorry.
00:12:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm going to that There's a comment that I've got to bring up later that because you said, oh, no, men don't like speaking about women's football, but actually men don't like women speaking about men's football.
00:12:35
Raj
they they sorry ah They apparently hate women's football anyways. Why do they want to commentate on it? Why do they want equal rights to comment on something that they supposedly hate, think is a joke um and women shouldn't be doing it?
00:12:50
Raj
Women want to commentate on men's football because guess what? women see it as a sport and they enjoy it and they want to commentate.
00:13:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we'll come to that later because ah there is something interesting. I'm going to go to a quick ad break now. We'll go into the afterwards actually. So and it's an interesting point.
00:13:21
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00:13:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
But obviously we have to acknowledge the um underlying reasons that stem from this and why this is the case. The first things that come to my to my mind are um undermining, sexualisation, cultural stigmas um in the game.
00:14:08
Raj
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:14:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, for example,
Cultural Stigmas Against Women's Football
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Global Sports Podcast Network
from the documentary, they speak about how the UEFA governance had described. This is the UEFA FIFA governance team. This isn't just a man in society.
00:14:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
They dismissed women's football as comedic and erotic, and newspapers had reported them to have described women's football to be to be like a dog walking on its hind legs. Not well done, but surprising to see at all. I mean, how on earth can you look at that? You're not only animalising, you're sexualising.
00:14:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
But there's no hope for the game. There's no hope to see anything change when it's being brought down and spoken about in such a way by the people at the top who are meant to be the people that...
00:15:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
um What's the word I'm looking for? The people that...
00:15:08
Raj
support, pioneering.
00:15:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
so Pioneer, support, regulate the way people behave?
00:15:13
Raj
very Yeah, there we go.
00:15:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Do you see what I'm saying?
00:15:17
Raj
And and yeah, exactly. And is it's all had such a domino effect because we can go back to ah one of our previous pods where we had to, unfortunately, speak about a horrible incident that a female fan um had to endure being assaulted and by a man whilst he was with his two two sons. This behavior filters down and is never stamped out. That's the problem. It's never stamped out. It's never called out. And people are thinking, well, if he's doing it,
00:16:01
Raj
what Oh, I can do it.
00:16:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
I won't get into trouble for doing it because he's not.
00:16:06
Raj
The guy at the top's doing it. Look at the, we go back to the FIFA incident again. The FIFA president is assaulting the female, she's an athlete. She's a female sport athlete captaining her country, okay? One of the biggest moments for Spain as a country um Also, the um Wimbledon was won by Spain in within the the same few days, or it might even be in the same day. um Would he have been treated like that? He's regarded as a king. he These women should be regarded highly.
00:16:50
Raj
and but The person right at the top has just absolutely violated her in front of millions of people around the world.
00:17:04
Raj
What are people sitting at home going to think? Well, he's got no respect for them.
00:17:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
no No, exactly. So therefore it's okay for us because he's set in the premise. He's set in
Influence of FIFA on Societal Attitudes
00:17:13
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the tone here for everybody else.
00:17:15
Raj
Of course he is. He's FIFA president, like you said. They regulate how people should behave within the game, how people need to be treated in the game. They should be setting an example. Is the head of one of the highest organizations there can be? Why are you setting that sort of of example to millions of people there, small little boys? I remember watching that final um and I watched it with my whole family, my nephews were there, we sat as a family and made it an event just like we do the men's World Cup finals i mean and I remember my nephew who was must have been about 13 at the time literally remember this him saying, well did you just see what happened there?
00:17:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep
00:18:09
Raj
And it's so embarrassing because I'm not going to lie. I have to fight within my family to prove why women's football is just as good as men. I have um lots of males in my family that we all love football. We all love football. well I'm the only female in my family. um And I will talk about um women's football.
00:18:38
Raj
I'll say, as we're talking as a family, we'll all talk about the football and I'll say, oh, did you see the women's game? Did you see England women's? Did you see the international games? And like I said, we, I made it a point to all sit down. We were together as summer to watch this game and celebrate it. Um, and a couple, uh, of a couple of males in my family are, um, receptive to it and really respectful, but the majority are just like, ah, but it's not as good as men's football, is it?
00:19:07
Raj
And the first thing, a 13-year-old, my nephew said my nephew said, well, that would never happen in a men's game.
00:19:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Exactly, because it just wouldn't.
00:19:15
Raj
And then it just shatters everything that I've built up, the respect that I've built up for the women's game, trying to portray to my family, look,
00:19:31
Raj
these women are athletes, they love the game, it's just as much as the men, they're brilliant. And it's something like that's happening. And yeah,
00:19:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
And it just makes it makes it look totally irrelevant and so sub-part again. And it's just like, why do I bother?
00:19:46
Raj
it just made us, everyone looks stupid. And there's a documentary about it, which would definitely be what
00:19:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Which I was just about to say to anyone listening to any of our other podcasters on here, we have put a big stamp on that. And that is ours to keep your hands off, please.
00:20:02
Raj
yeah We're definitely going to be covering that.
00:20:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep.
00:20:06
Raj
And it's the again, just when are we going to get to cover a documentary that has shown women's football in a positive light where it's been respected and incredible.
00:20:25
Raj
I'm waiting for that day.
00:20:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, exactly. On which note we'll continue that after this ad break.
00:20:35
Raj
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00:21:00
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Yeah, so you talk about waiting for that day. It's something that I was going to mention a moment ago. So you also used the word minute a minute ago, something that is being shown to millions. And it is. Everyone sees it. We're trying to promote women's football in a bigger stage. But by doing so, it also means that these disparities and these embarrassing things and these undermining ah things that still happen to women in the game also get seen by millions. and For example, ah the BBC recently did a survey finding that athletes still face inappropriate and disproportionately inappropriate comments and objectification on social media more than more than they do direct feedback about football.
00:21:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's absolutely mind-blowing. So they receive more inappropriate comments on social media and they do feedback about the football they're playing, the reason they're there. I mean, fine BBC, you've done that survey, but what are you going to do about it?
00:22:03
Raj
Yeah, and that's the thing, isn't it? How do we tackle this massive issue? I mean, that stat there is mind blowing.
00:22:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:22:17
Raj
Nothing positive about that at all. And we talk about mental health um through players and and the battles that the female players have with mental health whilst facing a lot of backlash from the community, from everyone that sees them. And we talk about things that they can do and clubs can put into place, et cetera. But you can do so much, take so many precautions and put so many things in place. but
00:23:02
Raj
All it will take is for them to pick up their phone, swipe or read something, and all of that can be undone in it right and a second.
00:23:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep. In seconds. Yeah.
00:23:15
Raj
mean All I can think about is, thank God these women of COPA 71 didn't have access to social media to see what people were saying about them during the World Cup, because although
00:23:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh no. Yep.
00:23:31
Raj
the documentary celebrates it, which is absolutely to be celebrated. I can only imagine if we had social media today, the comments and remarks that would be made.
00:23:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Isn't it? And, you know, I want to bring come to a point here where actually all that we ever receive, whether it's on social media or in person or indirectly in the environment we're in as female players, coaches, referees, whatever that is, is negativity.
00:24:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
or judgment or undermining comments anything like that and actually on this podcast we recently have received a handful of really positive
Positive Feedback and Support for Women
00:24:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
um messages regarding the podcast network and what we're doing and you know I sat there the other day and I thought just those just those few really positive comments about what we're doing mean so much But it's also sad that it means that much and that I don't know about you, but I get so excited just to get the odd nice comments like it should be normal.
00:24:35
Raj
Yeah, you almost get taken back by it because it's not ah yeah yeah yeah it's not what it's not what you expect.
00:24:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
I get dopamine from it because I'm not used to that.
00:24:46
Raj
And that's the thing. If we can think, ah if players, if female players got more ah more positive feedback like that, it would want them to push it would push them to want to improve their game.
00:25:03
Raj
and
00:25:07
Raj
play better football for the public to watch. But if you're constantly, if you're already starting off on the back foot in something, which as a female playing football, you're already on the back foot, and then you're being told by the people that are meant to, because in in men's football, we were only just saying about the Plymouth game, the fans being behind the players.
00:25:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, exactly.
00:25:33
Raj
absolutely spurred them on and ultimately probably got them the win.
00:25:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay.
00:25:38
Raj
And don't get me wrong, I know fans that attend matches in women's game are absolutely fantastic. But going back to to social media as well, like, why why do people feel it's okay to hide behind their screens and their keyboards and attack these women in this way?
00:25:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, that leads on really nicely to what I was going to say.
00:26:00
Raj
And
00:26:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Sorry, were you going to say something else?
00:26:03
Raj
No, go for it.
00:26:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
I was going to say that leads on really nicely to when Mary Epps won Sports Personality of the Year, BBC Sports Personality. um And actually, the only thing that was focused on was what she was wearing.
00:26:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know if you remember this.
00:26:18
Raj
here
00:26:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
um But she wore a dress that some people deemed slightly revealing. i don't My personal opinion, I don't think there was anything wrong with it. It was modest enough. um But so who cares? It really wasn't ah about that. It was no in no way, shape or form relevant. And not only was that an issue, was she sexualised more than she was praised for what happened. It caused a massive uproar with Piers Morgan and Joey Barton at the time.
00:26:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
wherein Joey Barton, really ex-footballer, current, I think he's Bristol Rovers manager now, um excellent player and he got on his real high horse about it and he really wasn't happy. And the misogyny that he so bluntly and blatantly put out on social media, um he was brave enough to start claiming that He could score a thousand spot kicks in a row against Mary Earps and suggested that an England men's and women's teams playing a game would result in and a cricket score. and Obviously not only disregarding the skills of players like Earps, but also perpetuating that idea in women's football of um inferior. You know, it's just trying to make women feel inferior. And, you know, he also said, which is what I was saying earlier,
00:27:46
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Women are not qualified to speak about men's football.
00:27:50
Raj
Wow. He has a daughter, right?
00:27:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
light see Does he have a daughter?
00:27:54
Raj
I hope she grows up to want to be ah a football pundit. And then was, he has a daughter on, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:28:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, it's, it's, you know, and I remember him set, you know, at the time she won it and obviously the issue was, is that a lioness had won it the year before as well.
00:28:12
Raj
Bye.
00:28:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
My argument is great two years in a row and people are like, that's not fair, that can't happen. It's like, well, it is because it's the fair winner. And he and Piersmoor and two were very kind of like, what's she done?
00:28:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
She doesn't deserve it. And it was hang on a moment. She got to a World Cup final where she saved a penalty against Spain. She was incredible in that tournament. And when you look at her personal profile that year, she won every award under the sun in women's football. She had a list of about 12 individual awards. She won the Golden Glove at the World Cup. What do you mean she's not won anything? She doesn't deserve this. That is absolutely diabolical. That is just such a ridiculous statement.
00:28:55
Raj
She's inspired young girls all around the world.
00:28:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:28:59
Raj
Young girls all around the world. She's the first female footballer to have a waxwork at Madame Tussauds. She...
00:29:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes. I really want to see that.
00:29:11
Raj
Yeah, we'll have to do a little trip. And she and a again, oh it's just men like Piers Morgan and Joey Barton are just the issue because I bet.
00:29:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
It just echoes the dismissiveness that this woman had in COPA 71 as well.
00:29:34
Raj
Yeah, exactly. And I just think, do you know what,
COPA 71 Documentary and Its Significance
00:29:38
Raj
mate, if you look at the facilities that women get compared to men,
00:29:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
And they're still performing to that level.
00:29:43
Raj
You know, no wonder. Yeah, exactly.
00:29:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's so respectable.
00:29:47
Raj
The game has been halted because of Men Like You for so many years. We're essentially now starting from scratch.
00:29:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:29:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:29:55
Raj
So watch this space. And you know what? The more you speak negatively about women's football, the more it's going to push all of us on to absolutely prove you wrong and keep your mouth shut in the future.
00:30:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Do you know I love that?
00:30:18
Raj
just
00:30:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
that was it It really is and you know we are pretty much at the end of time um but you know I just hope that going forward things like COPPA you know, are this, you know, constant reminder of, you know, what as women, we and women are capable of achieving in the environment and in the space despite it all. um But also that the the whole Copa 71 story serves as a warning about the long-term effects of systemic governing neglect.
00:30:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
um And yeah, I think we'll leave it at that for today.
00:31:02
Raj
Yes, we look forward to episode four.
00:31:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
S04, wow, that's halfway marked that.
00:31:10
Raj
It's
Closing and Future Episode Teaser
00:31:11
Raj
been fun. Thank you for listening, guys.
00:31:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Has a bit of fun.
00:31:14
Raj
And if you haven't had a chance to watch the documentary yet, please jump on and watch it.
00:31:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Do you know why I don't wait for you to say that?
00:31:22
Raj
ah You I've both watched it a couple of times each.
00:31:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's like your tree like trademark line at the end of all of these episodes and I'll
00:31:32
Raj
and And yeah, it it gets better every time.
00:31:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:31:35
Raj
And I think if you watch it and and come back and tune into the next four episodes with us, um you'll feel our frustrations, you'll feel our happiness, you'll feel all the emotions with us.
00:31:47
Raj
So um yeah, jump on that, guys.
00:31:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like I say, just a reminder as well that we have got David Goldblatt, um historian from the documentary coming on to speak with us, providing all goes to plan, so that'll be fun.
00:32:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
um But yeah, for now, thank you for joining us and we will look forward to welcoming you back to our next episode of Beyond the Pitch. Thank you.
00:32:10
Raj
Bye guys.
00:32:22
Raj
I'm done.