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Spring Lagniappe
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In our Spring Lagniappe, Ben and NiNi and friend of the pod Twig answer some questions, drive-by some pulps, and award the season's 'Girl, You Tried'.
Episode transcript available here.
00:00:00 Welcome
00:01:15 Inbox: Comparing Cherry Magic Adaptations
00:10:17 Inbox: Remaking Het Romances into QL
00:16:04 Catch Up Corner: Young Royals season 3
00:21:23 Catch Up Corner: Man Suang
00:25:12 Catch Up Corner: DNA Says Love You
00:29:23 Twig's Dispatch
00:38:35 Winter Round Up
00:44:45 Girl, You Tried
00:47:35 Look Ahead
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
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Welcome to the conversation about BL, aka the Brown Licker Podcast.
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And there it is.
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I'm Ben.
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I'm Nini.
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And we're your drunk Caribbean uncle and auntie who are sitting on the porch in the rocking chairs.
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Four times a year, we pop in to talk about what's going on in the BL world.
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We shoot the shit about stories, all the drama going into them.
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I review from a queer media lens.
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And I review from a romance and drama lens.
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So if you like cracked out takes and really intense emotional analysis.
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If you like talking about artistry, industry, and the discourse.
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If you generally just love simping.
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There is a lot of simping on this podcast.
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We are the show for you.
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And we're back.
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We have finally made it to the end of what feels like our longest production season we have ever been in.
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I feel like we have been recording this season since last season, and we're recording right up to the end of the season.
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Our first recording for this season was on the 28th of January.
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Oh my god.
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We've been here forever.
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We're going to change some things up going forward and we'll tell you guys more about that when we figure it out.
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But for now, welcome to our spring lanyard.
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Let's go into
Cherry Magic Adaptations Debate
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our inbox.
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We have two great questions from two new names and we also have a very special guest.
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Say hi, Twig.
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Hi, everyone.
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Twig is back with us and she's gonna help us answer some of these questions.
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Our first question comes from Hello Bees.
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And Hello Bees writes, I'm sure you plan to discuss something similar to this, but now that we have the Japanese and the Thai adaptations of Cherry Magic with the anime also airing, I would really like to know your opinions about them and the unique flavors they add to the mix.
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Thank you for the question, Hello Bees.
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Ben, you've been tracking all of these adaptations.
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What are your opinions about the different versions of Cherry Magic now and what parts you enjoyed differently about different versions of the Cherry Magic story?
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I'd say for Cherry Magic, I'm really glad that Akaso Eji and Keita Machida were the ones who introduced us to Cherry Magic.
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I think both of those actors are really good.
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And considering what we now know about how much was changed in Cherry Magic, I think it was good that they had two solid actors who could handle that and bring some pathos to that when they were asked to do that.
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But I gotta be honest, having now seen complete versions of the Cherry Magic story as it was originally written out, I will not be returning to the original Japanese live action movie.
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The Thai live action is probably the best version in the sense that it's the most watchable.
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And I think the most consistently satisfying to watch.
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I think the cast of the Thai version is extremely good.
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And I think they're
Anime vs. Live Action in Cherry Magic
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very funny.
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I think they all play off really well together.
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And I think the overall set of arcs that all the characters go through are really satisfying in that story.
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The anime is probably my favorite.
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The Thai cast is just so likable.
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The anime cast is not.
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And I think I like them more for that.
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We talked a lot about the Thai adaptation earlier when we had Shan on the podcast.
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Let's talk a little bit about anime one specifically.
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Twig, what were some of your standouts and notes you took while we were watching this?
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The anime is my favorite version too.
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Not because it's
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better, but because I had a little more fun with the way the characters are less perfect.
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Adachi in the anime, he's a little bit mean, and it's delightful.
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I love a mean twink.
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And Adachi in the anime version of Cherry Magic, he's a little sullen and a little mean, and he hates people a little bit.
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He's got a little bit of a misanthropy thing going on that is missing from my taste from the other versions of Adachi.
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My favorite moment is when he's standing on a street corner and he sees a couple canoodling and he's just like, ugh, straight people.
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And I'm just like, yes!
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Go off!
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He's always calling people normies in his head.
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It's so fucking funny.
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He's like, fuck normies.
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I'm like, yes!
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I love you!
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He's also a little bit less afraid to use his power for his own benefit.
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There's multiple times where he's like, oh, I'm just going to find out what this person's thinking just because I want to know.
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And he does no moral qualms about it.
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I really enjoy that more morally gray character that we get in the anime.
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I have a question actually about the use of the different mediums and cultures.
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Is there anything that, for example, in the anime version, the medium of anime allows them to do that wouldn't play as well in a live action version or vice versa even?
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There's a really great example of that around the date episode.
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The episode ends with Achi first having a long conversation with Genta at their cafe.
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And then he goes to Koran and they have a really big heart-to-heart moment.
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That is probably the best way to do that in live action.
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The actors only have to build the emotions once.
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Today we are filming this really big emotional scene about the date and the actors can be ready for that.
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But what I think anime allows you to do is the story can spread those scenes across multiple locations.
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In the anime version, Arachi and Kurosawa unpack their bad date.
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across a series of interactions across like one or two days a little bit at work a little bit while they're walking in the street a little bit hanging out at a bar later and then walking home you can do that in anime because you just can place the recordings at the settings that you want to put them in and i prefer the way the anime handled the fallout of that bad date
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But it's harder to do that in live action because it's hard to get the actors to deliver the right chemistry and mood in eight filming locations for a single overarching conversation.
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I think also there is something about the medium that allows the characters to be a little bit more gray and still be lovable because everybody is in more of an extreme.
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If actors
Non-Queer Asian Media as Queer Stories
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were trying to portray the level of intensity of emotion that the anime characters do, then it would feel very off-putting.
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But characters are allowed to make giant faces beyond what a human can actually make in reality.
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And so I think it's easier to
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allow people to be more dislikable and still be loved.
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Twig and I really like how unlikable the anime cast is.
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That may seem incredibly weird, but like Rokaku is so insufferable in the early episodes.
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And like Fujisaki as a Fujo is way more off-putting.
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Adachi is such a bitch.
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And then Kurosawa is intense and also aloof.
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I understand why Kurosawa is single in this version.
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Yes, yes.
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With Karan, it's like, why is this man single?
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And with Achi, it's like, my body's Tofu.
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Sir, you are new to the poon.
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We are looking at them trying to pretend like you don't have these enormous fucking shoulders with the way they cut that shirt.
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Please.
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That gets a little bit fanciful in Cherry Magic Thailand that these guys are single because they're both really emotionally available for the most part.
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Achi is just kind of shy.
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Yeah.
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I also just really like how much more Adachi as a character makes his own decisions proactively in the anime.
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In the other two versions, Ashi and Adachi feel very led along by the hand by Kurosawa and Kuranne.
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Okay, so I think we have a hierarchy.
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We have a best, a favorite, and an original, I think, if that's a hierarchy.
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If you're asking us in a vacuum, like, what's the best one?
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Like, to show someone so they'll be impressed with the Cherry Magic story, they should watch the Thai version.
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Yeah.
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If you're asking us what I think my favorite expression of the story is, I really think it's the anime.
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I really like this version of the cast.
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Like, I like Sugi and Minato the most in the anime, too.
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I don't really want to recommend the original Japanese live action anymore.
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And it's not because I think they did a bad job with that one.
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It's just they made some changes to the story and ended up kind of spinning around towards the end.
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One of the things I will say about all of the adaptations is that whatever changes were made to the story, the way the characters are changed to work with that was done really well.
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the characters feel true in each version of the story and they feel different in each adaptation as a result for those of you who don't watch a lot of anime or for those of you who do watch anime there are some real knocks on cherry magic anime walk animations are not great particularly when someone's coming from the background to the foreground oh my god there's a kurosawa walking towards in the moment that will haunt me for the rest of time
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I feel like I have to make that note because anime fans are very particular about animation and art.
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This is from a B tier studio.
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So be nice.
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Let's move on to our next question that comes from HappyPotato48.
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And they write, with all the recent news about TyBL remakes and adaptations, it's getting me thinking if the industry is going to do remakes, why only BL?
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Why not remake old heterodramas or movies into QL, GL, BL?
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So my question is, if you could pick one older or more recent non-queer Asian media that you wish to get remade into a QL slash GL slash BL, which one would you pick?
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I mean, I have my clear answers.
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I really want you to go first because you are far more familiar with het romance than I am.
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My number one answer to this kind of question is always going to be 2521.
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Because as far as I'm concerned, 2521 is already a GL.
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They just got confused about what it was supposed to be.
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2521 is a Korean sports drama about fencers.
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And it has one of the greatest female-female relationships.
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Supposedly a friendship, but I'm sorry, this was a romance to me as far as I'm concerned.
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These two girls fell in love.
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And it made me completely hungry for Sports GL.
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The hunger that has not yet been appropriately fulfilled.
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My other answer, which is an interesting one because I've been trying to get Ben to watch this.
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It's My
Young Royals vs. Asian BL
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Country, The New Age.
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fantastic historical K-drama about the birth of the Joseon era.
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Very Warriors Bond.
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And yeah, I would make that BL.
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I think it would work really, really well.
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What about you, Twig?
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Where are your head at with this question?
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Alright, so I had one immediately come to mind because I'm still mad that it wasn't queer to begin with.
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It felt like it was supposed to be Nana.
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Nana is a Japanese manga.
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I think they even did a live action.
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It's about these two women who are both named Nana moving into an apartment together, and they are so queer.
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The underlying theme of the show is so queer.
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Everybody in that show is so queer.
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And then they made them straight, and I'm still mad about it.
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I'm like, you were wrong.
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You're just wrong about who these characters are and who they're in love with.
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That one absolutely needs to be made into a GL.
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Please and thank you.
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Also, the aesthetic would make me very happy.
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So I just want to see it.
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The other one that came to mind is partially because I'm watching it now, but Hospital Playlist, it's right there.
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It would be so easy to remake as a BL.
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Who would you put together?
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Oh, don't put me on the spot.
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Come on.
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I'm putting you on the spot.
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Who would you put together?
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Who would you choose?
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Ikjun and Junwan.
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I would absolutely make them a couple.
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I think they're fantastic.
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Not that I don't love Hospital Playlist exactly as it is, but if there had been an Ikjun-Junwan romance, I would have also loved that.
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What about you, Ben?
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Where do you sit with this?
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This one is always a difficult question for me because the reason I'm watching Asian drama is for queer reasons.
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So I don't go out of my way.
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a bunch of het stuff.
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So unfortunately, I do not have a het drama that I would like to see redone as a BL.
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The ones I've seen were basically BL already.
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Like, Coffee Prince is queer.
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It does not need to be remade to be more BL.
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And I don't actually think that Goblin would be better if it was a BL.
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I think it works as it is, and I don't really want to change that.
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So I'm going to cheat.
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I'm not using an Asian drama for this.
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I want to see a gay version of really love, which is like this generation's Love Jones.
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This generation has a Love Jones?
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It's really fucking good.
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Am I going to have to watch this?
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Real shit.
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You need to go write this down and go watch it.
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These two people who are vibing at like maybe not the right time in their lives and the success that they're starting to get professionally and creatively is getting in the way of their ability to have the romance that is really important to them.
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I think about that film at least once a month.
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I'd like to see a gay version of that.
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I have made a note, dear friend.
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And it's about black people, so you should watch it.
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Always a win.
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One of the reasons why I've really taken to Asian dramas is the West, particularly Americans, really fucking hate romance.
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And I really like how earnestly, particularly Korean dramas, engage with romance.
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I think it's what makes BL possible.
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There's a real appreciation for romance itself in this part of the world.
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I wish I had a better answer for this one because I think it's a fun question.
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That's going to wrap us up on the questions this season.
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Thank you guys so much.
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We always love hearing from our listeners.
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Please don't be a lurker.
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Don't be shy.
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Please send us questions.
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We love them so much.
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So before we get into the thing that I actually watched like way, way behind the curve, like two years behind the curve, let's get into some of the stuff that we actually caught up on this season that was, I suppose, current.
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There's two things that we had been waiting for.
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The first one was the third season of Young Royals.
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And the second was finally being able to watch Mansuang.
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Let's talk a little bit about Young Royals 3.
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I watched the whole thing and still has not finished it.
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Ben, what did you think of the parts of Young Royals 3 that you have watched so far?
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How far have you gotten into it?
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Are you planning to finish it?
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And what do you think of it?
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I got to... Simon is grounded.
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Willa can't really leave the school now because of the curfew?
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I think that's as far as I got.
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I'll say this much.
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I like that this show seems to take the reality of dating a public figure seriously.
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I like that Simon is struggling with being online because you can't not be online in the modern age.
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And he is not given any real training for how to deal with it.
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Willie is given no fucking training either.
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He's like, I'll handle it.
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Really?
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Y'all let this impulsive boy who punches people whenever he gets mad and then just says whatever on national TV.
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He's in charge of teaching Simon how to engage with social media.
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Okay, sure.
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Whatever.
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But I'm enjoying the struggle they're having with being public.
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It's different when your whole relationship has been kind of closeted.
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Now you're suddenly out.
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You have to get used to what that means.
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And maybe this isn't exactly what you wanted.
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I like where it feels like the show is going on the front end.
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But because I know there's a lot of angst ahead for them, and I haven't been in a very high energy mood for a bit to deal with that,
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I have not been in a hurry to continue it.
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The way the show has presented this thing about being in a relationship with a public figure, for me, tying that back to some of the Asian BL that I've seen, I always go back to the lovely writer, Well.
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Having these stories in the Western context is always really interesting.
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Interesting in the sense of, I haven't seen something like this be done in the queer Western space.
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But also the fact that I've seen these stories now.
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I've seen them in the Asian space.
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And so they feel familiar enough that I don't feel like they're anything new or exciting necessarily.
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Did I enjoy Young Roles 3?
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I really did.
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But in terms of the Simona and Wille stuff, I like them.
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I enjoy their romance.
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I always have.
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But I felt a little bit like it had been done.
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And that's because I've been seeing these stories play out in Asian media for a while at this point.
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I thought that they did a great job writing it.
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I thought that it was fantastically acted.
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There's a sequence when Willa and Simon go swimming in the lake at sunrise that I think is definitely worth watching the entire season for.
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But I feel like it's been done.
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I will say on the way out from Young Royals that I want to applaud Omar Rudberg and Evan writing for the execution of BGP over the last three, four years that they've been working together.
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I think those two have done a great job managing the public version of their friendship and the professional requirements therein.
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They seem to have a really good handle on it.
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And it seems like their team
Mansuang Film Overview
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did a really great job preparing them for all of this.
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They seem surprisingly chill for people who have gone through the BGP gauntlet.
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It has been some gauntlet.
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And Edwin is a young actor in his first major role.
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I am very impressed with how he's handled himself.
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It's just not one of the shows that I am most excited to watch.
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And some of that is me being kind of grumpy politically.
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When we're trying to advocate for non-English language media, people seemingly struggle with having to read subtitles and don't want to watch foreign content as a result.
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But had no problem showing up for this show.
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There's a wider conversation to have about how fandom will do anything for a white man.
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Even read subtitles.
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Say it.
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It's frustrating.
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I feel like I'm peddly not finishing Young Royals because I don't enjoy how people who say they want more queer stories have ignored BL and then bitch that there's no great queer stories and they watch Young Royals and they're like, oh my goodness, I've never seen anything like this.
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I will finish Young Royals.
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but I am frustrated with the Western audience rushing to watch this show and then snubbing anything Asian immediately afterwards.
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The next thing we're going to talk about a little bit is Manswang.
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This has finally, finally been made available to those of us in the West and in an English language subtitled version.
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I really enjoyed this.
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This is not gay.
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Or to be more clear, it is not obviously gay.
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But I thought this was a really interesting piece from Beyond Cloud.
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I did not watch this.
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I need you to tell me, like, what is going on in Mansuong?
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Like, what's the drama here?
00:21:59
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What is even the story they're telling?
00:22:02
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Oh, I get to summarize something.
00:22:04
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Okay, bear with me.
00:22:06
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Mansuang is a story about Kem played by Apo Natsawin.
00:22:12
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Kem is a dancer and after he dances he basically gets called back by these various men, women, it doesn't matter, to come to their rooms and perform sexually for them.
00:22:27
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At the beginning of the film, some assassin sneaks into where they are and kills the guy that he's with, who is a very important guy.
00:22:38
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He tries to save him and can't.
00:22:41
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And he's then caught and arrested because, of course, it's assumed that he is the one who tried to assassinate this guy.
00:22:49
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And so to save his own life, he agrees to go undercover and
00:22:54
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at this very fancy club, Kaumanswang.
00:23:00
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He gets a job there as a dancer and he meets this Chinese Thai guy called Chatra, who is played by Mile Pakpum.
00:23:11
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eventually becomes known to him that he and Chatra are basically on the same side spying at this club so they form an alliance and a friendship and possibly something more but whatever more is happening is sort of subsumed by his trauma basically it is a spy story
00:23:30
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This feels about mid to late 1800s in Old Siam.
00:23:35
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There's a lot of Chinese migration, that integral part of the story.
00:23:41
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Baz plays Kem's friend Wan, who is sent to Mansuang with him to join in the spy mission.
00:23:49
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Tong plays Hong, who is part of the family who owns Mansuang.
00:23:53
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They don't know whose side he's on.
00:23:56
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There's a lot of intrigue.
00:23:58
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There's a lot of drama.
00:24:00
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There's a lot of very familiar faces.
00:24:03
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I don't know how to describe the movie other than to say it is intriguing.
00:24:08
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It is gorgeous.
00:24:10
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I am not entirely sure the story holds together all the way.
00:24:14
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My understanding as well, which I don't know if this is correct, is that the version that we have gotten on Netflix is an edited version.
00:24:23
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It certainly feels that way.
00:24:25
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I feel like there are bits of the story that are missing that we are expected to fill in.
00:24:31
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But the acting is fantastic.
00:24:33
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And particularly as we get down to the climax of the story, there is some phenomenal acting from Baz and Tongue.
00:24:44
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I have explained this terribly.
00:24:45
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When I edit this down, it is going to be explained even more terribly.
00:24:49
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I wish that you had watched this so that you could explain it properly for our listeners.
00:24:54
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What I will say is that it's a gorgeous piece of cinema.
00:24:58
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It's beautiful
DNA Says Love You Review
00:24:59
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to watch.
00:25:00
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Everybody is operating at a very high level in terms of the acting.
00:25:05
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It's a good film.
00:25:06
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It's not a great film.
00:25:08
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I'll probably watch it at some point.
00:25:11
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Our final catch up is I finally watched DNA Says Love You.
00:25:18
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Brad, I'm going to let you remind the listeners of what DNA Says Love You is about.
00:25:24
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DNA Says Love You is about this group of friends who are, it feels like late college kids who are trying to make their little ghost hunting YouTube channel function.
00:25:36
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The guy and his friend had this other friend when they were growing up who ended up leaving and they've missed her for a long time.
00:25:43
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This new guy shows up mysteriously and seems to be connected to her.
00:25:49
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And you spend most of the show wondering what sort of mystery may be going on here.
00:25:53
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Is there something spooky going on?
00:25:56
Speaker
Is this a trans story?
00:25:58
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We're not entirely certain what's happening there.
00:26:00
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When we finally get confirmation about what's going on, the reveals are really great.
00:26:06
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There's a really interesting execution of an unexpected queer romance here.
00:26:12
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I'm going to continue to talk around the reveals around Amber because while I don't subscribe to spoiler culture, I do think the presumptions you bring to the table are part of the experience of this particular show.
00:26:27
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And I don't like revealing the full truth about Amber when I describe it to people who may not have seen it.
00:26:34
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Yeah, I think that's the right instinct.
00:26:36
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The first time we talked about the show, I remember you describing the show and thinking to myself, okay, well, from that description, I know what this is about.
00:26:45
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And then I go into the show and actually, no, I didn't know what it was about.
00:26:50
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I think that that experience is the right experience to have with the show.
00:26:55
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I think allowing the show to take you on the journey is the only way really to watch it.
00:27:01
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So I also will not be spoiling the show.
00:27:05
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We're going to continue to talk around what it is.
00:27:09
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But I do want to say, having watched it now, I am going to echo Ben's praise of Eric Lin, who plays Amber,
00:27:20
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I think that Eric Lin did an incredible job with this character.
00:27:25
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I enjoy the story.
00:27:29
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I love that this is a story about friendship more than anything else and about what it is to be a friend and what it means to carry somebody in your heart for a really long time.
00:27:42
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I thoroughly enjoyed this.
00:27:44
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Is it perfect?
00:27:45
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No.
00:27:46
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There are a few things that I wish that the show had done, not differently, but probably given some more time and attention to.
00:27:54
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And then there's some side characters who I found fun and interesting, but I was a little confused about how they fit overall into the story.
00:28:05
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I don't think the connective tissue with all of the romance bits going on was necessarily great in this.
00:28:13
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But I did appreciate the established gay couple sides who are dealing with a potential separation in their future.
00:28:22
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There's a whole thing of growing pains and growing up in their story that I've really connected to.
00:28:29
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Fair enough, but I wasn't entirely sure how they fit into the story thematically or really, to be honest, narratively.
00:28:38
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They seem to be sort of off to the side in their own little story.
00:28:45
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But yeah, overall, really good show.
00:28:48
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If I were in the business of recommending things, I absolutely would recommend it.
00:28:53
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You have been recommending things with me for over two years now.
00:28:58
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Highly recommend it.
00:28:59
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Go watch it.
00:29:03
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This show is about a queer experience that very rarely gets depicted in any kind of media.
00:29:10
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This is worth watching.
00:29:13
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Well said,
BL Show Roundup and Recommendations
00:29:14
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sir.
00:29:14
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Well said.
00:29:23
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We are going to introduce a new segment to the lanyard of the conversation, Twigs Dispatch.
00:29:33
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We wanted to make sure we gave airtime to all of the shows that we choose either not to discuss on the show or we didn't think warranted a very long conversation.
00:29:49
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The point of the segment is for Twig to just do a roundup of what's out there that we may not have seen, may not have wanted to watch, may not have been able to put effort into at the time to get a sense of the landscape and also for Twig to point out, hey, maybe you should watch this one.
00:30:09
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So Twig, why don't you run us down your list of shows?
00:30:13
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Dispatch!
00:30:24
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So I've got 12 pieces of media that weren't on the list of stuff you've discussed in the season.
00:30:29
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My universe, it's on IG.
00:30:31
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12 two-part episodes that are only very lightly linked together.
00:30:36
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It felt like a series of school projects.
00:30:38
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There was a body swap, mistaken identity, in love with your sibling's friend, destined lovers, enemies to lovers, love triangle,
00:30:45
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A coach and an athlete.
00:30:46
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Fake dating turns were real.
00:30:48
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A twin-cest episode.
00:30:49
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It did walk a fine line.
00:30:51
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It made me very uncomfortable.
00:30:52
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Age gap.
00:30:53
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Paid companionship.
00:30:54
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And terminal illness.
00:30:56
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If you love one of those tropes, you can just watch that one miniseries associated with that trope, I guess.
00:31:02
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There was a lot of not very well handled difficult subjects in these, so if you have any need for warnings I would check for the warnings about the episodes you might want to watch.
00:31:11
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If you're curious and want to try one of them, my favorite one was Right Time Right You, the Destined Lovers one, episodes five to six.
00:31:18
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It's a little bit lighter than some of the other ones and has some of the better acting.
00:31:22
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There's also three or four different directors, so you can try out a bunch of different creators and see how you feel about them, which is kind of fun from a viewer perspective.
00:31:31
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Night Dream is actually one of the ones that I like more.
00:31:34
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It's a second chance romance.
00:31:35
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I think it's on YouTube.
00:31:37
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Childhood friends, Night and Dream meet again after Dream had disappeared from Night's life for years and fall back into this sort of will they, won't they that comes from being closeted.
00:31:47
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This is one of the ones that I liked because it felt a little more queer and they did some interesting things with flashbacks.
00:31:52
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So we got a mid series reveal that I thought was actually pretty well done.
00:31:56
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If you have time,
00:31:58
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and you're open to a slightly more queer-feeling story, it's worth giving a shot.
00:32:03
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Going with low expectations is a good idea, but it's not a terrible waste of your time.
00:32:08
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The actual show was last season, but the special episode landed this season.
00:32:13
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My biggest complaint about this show was there wasn't enough baking.
00:32:17
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It was a really frustrating plot.
00:32:19
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Special episodes, you just have to have something to give people a chance to be with those characters again and see them be cute really, right?
00:32:25
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But they didn't take that route.
00:32:28
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For Shin's birthday, Peach ignores him for days so that Shin thinks that Peach is going to leave him so that he can surprise Shin on his birthday.
00:32:35
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It's like the worst birthday gift ever.
00:32:37
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I was not into it.
00:32:39
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I don't love a big lie as a flat device for a relationship.
00:32:43
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VIP only.
00:32:45
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My biggest note about this show was Blue Lee coming into his own being self-assured and exercising his own agency and figuring himself out was actually great but it came way too late.
00:32:56
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He was so much more interesting as a character when he actually took control of his life but he was just so passive for so many episodes.
00:33:03
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What I love about it is he lets go of what he thought love was, that juvenile understanding of what love looks like to realize what love really is.
00:33:12
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I thought that was a really cool arc and I was really sad that it wasn't treated better.
00:33:17
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Love Senior the series.
00:33:19
Speaker
Ugh, I had such high hopes for this one guys.
00:33:21
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It is essentially the lesbian version of SOTUS.
00:33:23
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It's a hazing ritual that happens with engineering.
00:33:26
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The first seven episodes were so great.
00:33:28
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We got lesbians who were thirsty for each other and they were actually more successful than their gay male counterparts in overturning the system.
00:33:35
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We got a character who had casual sex and it's fine.
00:33:38
Speaker
Yes, anti-purity culture.
00:33:40
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And then episode eight happened and someone got drugged, there was slut shaming, there was a car accident, there was amnesia, and then noble idiocy.
00:33:48
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Literally every one of my least favorite tropes.
00:33:51
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I guess they felt like they needed to have more for the characters to do, but I was like really enjoying them just being lesbians and horny for each other.
00:33:58
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Like, what was wrong with that?
00:33:59
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Anyway.
00:34:00
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What is you and my stars?
00:34:02
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That was just a little micro series of two episodes by Mind Trio.
00:34:06
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They're like a little indie BL producing YouTube channel that I like to follow.
00:34:11
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They did my favorite show that no one's heard of Calculating Love.
00:34:13
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It's not actually that good, but it makes me happy.
00:34:16
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This one is a little love triangle.
00:34:19
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I think it's like 25 minutes total.
00:34:21
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And it's one of the better ones on this list for sure.
00:34:23
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There's two friends, Hunter and Wyn.
00:34:26
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Wyn likes this guy, Time.
00:34:28
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but he finds out that Time likes Hunter, and so Wynne tries to help Time to woo Hunter, but Hunter steps away, and then we find out who Hunter likes, but I will not spoil it.
00:34:40
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It's cute.
00:34:41
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There's some star folding, hence the name.
00:34:44
Speaker
After Sundown, essentially they took the plot of Cutie Pie but added ghosts, which sounds like it should be really fun.
00:34:54
Speaker
And so it was really disappointing how boring this movie was.
00:34:57
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A poor kid comes to a large estate and is betrothed to a rich guy who's been cursed because his grandfather was gay.
00:35:03
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That's the summary.
00:35:04
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That should be really interesting.
00:35:05
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It was not.
00:35:06
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I was so bored.
00:35:07
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Twins, the series.
00:35:09
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Of all sports took it wrong in a gay series, how dare you?
00:35:13
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So there's twins, Zee and Sprite.
00:35:14
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Zee plays volleyball, Sprite does judo.
00:35:17
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Zee gets beaten up by guys who were looking for his twin Sprite, so Sprite fills Gilby and takes Zee's place on the volleyball team to make sure that Zee can still qualify to compete for the national team later that year.
00:35:29
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He has to integrate with the team in order to hide the fact that he's not Z, but he's first of all really bad at pretending to be his twin.
00:35:39
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And also it takes until, I think it was like episode eight before he actually got volleyball lessons from anyone.
00:35:45
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I was like, what are you doing?
00:35:47
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He's pretending to be one of the top athletes in a sport that he doesn't know how to play and nobody notices for the entire series.
00:35:55
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I was aghast.
00:35:56
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Sprite, the one pretending to be the volleyball player, falls for a teammate named First who hates Zee, the twin he's pretending to be.
00:36:05
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The big lie went on for way too long.
00:36:08
Speaker
It doesn't get revealed till the very end and First does not get to be angry about it for nearly long enough for my taste.
00:36:15
Speaker
The leads did have mad chemistry and Ryan's waist is fantastic.
00:36:19
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So, you know, kudos to them for working with what they got.
00:36:22
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Do we talk about it for him?
00:36:24
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What I kind of want to say about for him is, hey, you're actors and we'll talk about your show.
00:36:28
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Give Tor Atikoran another show.
00:36:30
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That was my takeaway from that show.
00:36:31
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Happy ending.
00:36:33
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My favorite thing about this is all of the lore because everybody went into going, oh, it's Strongberry.
00:36:38
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It's going to be good.
00:36:38
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And then it wasn't.
00:36:39
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And Strongberry came out and was like, it wasn't really us.
00:36:42
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We distributed it.
00:36:43
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I mean, the director said, all right, I wanted to make a sad short with an ambiguous ending.
00:36:47
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And that's what we got.
00:36:48
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And I think now he's realizing that maybe it wasn't the best goal.
00:36:52
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Bringing things forward that people may not have heard about.
00:36:56
Speaker
There is a BL that came out from Myanmar called Healing Thingya.
00:37:00
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This is a little YouTube mini-series.
00:37:03
Speaker
It takes place as friends celebrate the Thingya festival over a period of a few different years.
00:37:09
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It's short, it's cute, it's free, and it's the only show from Myanmar that I've seen where nobody died.
00:37:17
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So already it's crossing over the bar into things that I'm happier to send support to.
00:37:22
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One of the things that I feel like has to be said about anything coming out of Myanmar is the political situation.
00:37:28
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As long as it wasn't really bad, I was going to tell people to watch it because I want to encourage views on shows where people are struggling against the political
00:37:36
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climate they're in in order to be able to show this kind of content.
00:37:40
Speaker
This show had to pass a censorship board to be made so don't expect a kiss.
00:37:46
Speaker
But they're surprisingly cute for what they're allowed to make and in a country where the penalties are severe for making things that could be seen as encouraging quote unquote of queerness, I feel really strongly about sending views towards this thing.
00:38:02
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Support local Burmese shows.
00:38:03
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Give it a shot.
00:38:04
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Give Myanmar some love.
00:38:07
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That's our first ever Twigs dispatch.
00:38:11
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Thanks for being here with us, Twig.
00:38:13
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Thanks for having me again.
Reflection on Podcast Season
00:38:35
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Always a fun time having Twig on the show, new friend of the pod.
00:38:39
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I like that we're building up this stable of friends of the pod.
00:38:43
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I like hearing the voices of BL fandom on our show.
00:38:47
Speaker
It's great fun.
00:38:49
Speaker
It's also like inviting friends over to your house.
00:38:51
Speaker
Like, it's different when you're just sort of hanging out and doing stuff.
00:38:53
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But every time your friends come over, you have to clean up and shit.
00:38:56
Speaker
There's a lot more extra effort on the front and back end now.
00:39:00
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Let's talk about the season as was.
00:39:04
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Then I know you have some complex, complicated, mixed moody kinds of thoughts about how this season went.
00:39:13
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It's tough.
00:39:14
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The most obvious thing from our release schedule that stands out this season is this is, I think, the first time Japan has outnumbered Thailand in our number of shows we talked about.
00:39:26
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Oh, wait, never mind.
00:39:26
Speaker
They caught up because of Twig.
00:39:31
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In terms of long form discussion, we talk more about the Japanese this season.
00:39:34
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That is true.
00:39:35
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This is the most we've talked about Japanese content on this podcast since we started, which is a real win for me because that's what I enjoy the most.
00:39:45
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But it's also a reflection of what's going on.
00:39:48
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Thailand is still outproducing everyone, but it's less about countries now and more about production teams and studios.
00:40:00
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We managed to have a really great conversation around Terry Magic and Cooking Crush about what longevity looks like in BL.
00:40:09
Speaker
Now that there are more players actively engaged in the genre, it's not just us talking about 8 to 10 Thai BLs, the one or two Japanese shows that got released, the maybe Korean project that got released, the maybe Taiwanese project that got released.
00:40:24
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There's a whole lot more people playing in the space now.
00:40:29
Speaker
My own life responsibilities have forced me to cut back on being present for every BL.
00:40:37
Speaker
The gap between a show I really am enjoying and engaged with and a show I'm not but I'm trying to stick with is a lot further than it's ever been.
00:40:47
Speaker
And I find it a lot harder to cross that gap.
00:40:50
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I'm relieved that we have more friends now because I can ask people what's going on.
00:40:58
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That's been the big shift for me, being more cognizant of my own time and how I'm investing myself emotionally in the shows.
00:41:07
Speaker
I don't like showing up grumpy to productions.
00:41:10
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I don't really like being in a foul mood when I'm watching shows.
00:41:15
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I don't think that's fair to the shows, and I don't think that's good for me emotionally either.
00:41:21
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This is generally where I've been overall, but that's just a function of my life right now.
00:41:27
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I've been so busy, even this season.
00:41:31
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I tried to watch as much as possible, but there are definitely things that just did not happen.
00:41:36
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And going forward, there are going to be shows that I don't watch.
00:41:40
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Ben will tell you my standard comment now when a new show comes up is, y'all tell me whether I need to watch this.
00:41:47
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There's some stuff that I'm definitely going to be watching.
00:41:50
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That's not a quality bar.
00:41:52
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Trust me, because there is some trash that I fully intend to watch.
00:41:55
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Cough, we are.
00:41:56
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But yeah, my thing has been, as Shan said in the year in review, reclaiming my time a little bit.
00:42:03
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I don't have the time that I did have and the time that I am spending to do this stuff.
00:42:11
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I want it to be time that I enjoy watching stuff with my friends, talking about that stuff that I enjoyed or at least was bad in an interesting way with my friends.
00:42:23
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That's what I'm going to be focused on, not on getting volume.
00:42:27
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So it's really now a question of y'all tell me what I need to watch because you really want to discuss it.
00:42:32
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And that's actually in a lot of ways working out really well for us, I think.
00:42:37
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So I'm good to keep that going.
00:42:40
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I also like us having more friends to have these discussions with now.
00:42:44
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Ben and I agreed from the beginning that if this stopped being fun, we're going to stop doing it.
00:42:48
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We're definitely still having fun with this, but we're having fun in different ways now than we did when we started.
00:42:54
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And the show is always going to evolve along those lines.
00:42:57
Speaker
Whatever is fun for
'Girl U Tried' Segment Discussion
00:42:59
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us now is what we're going to be doing.
00:43:01
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So you would have heard a couple of really fun segments this season.
00:43:05
Speaker
One segment that we're not sure is going to keep going is the catch-up corner.
00:43:10
Speaker
Going forward, we don't know how much catch-up there's going to be in this show because we don't really have time to catch up on everything.
00:43:17
Speaker
All I caught up on this season was too long-ass Chinese dramas.
00:43:23
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Jenny and Shan have gotten Ben into the sea drama space, which is a space.
00:43:30
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I'm sorry.
00:43:30
Speaker
They're too long.
00:43:31
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I can't do it.
00:43:33
Speaker
No, no, Nini.
00:43:34
Speaker
All of these shows should be longer.
00:43:36
Speaker
40 episodes, 58 episodes, 68 episodes.
00:43:41
Speaker
I can't do it.
00:43:42
Speaker
I can't do it.
00:43:43
Speaker
I can't do it.
00:43:44
Speaker
Every single show should go on for half a year, multiple times a week.
00:43:50
Speaker
We should end in the middle of a sentence.
00:43:55
Speaker
You're terrible.
00:43:56
Speaker
You're really, truly terrible.
00:43:58
Speaker
In terms of catching up on BL, it isn't our style to show up super duper late to the fandom experience and talk over it.
00:44:08
Speaker
We don't want to be those people.
00:44:09
Speaker
And so if we didn't engage with the show during the season, we probably won't have an extensive conversation about it.
00:44:16
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We're probably going to rely on the fact that we have friends now to highlight those shows if we didn't show up for them for whatever reason.
00:44:24
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So that we get a conversation around the time it released.
00:44:28
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But if something pops up, like what happened recently for Nini, we finally got her to watch something.
00:44:34
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We'll try to bring it to you and give you some reactions.
00:44:45
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Girl, you tried.
00:44:48
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Who are our contenders this season?
00:44:51
Speaker
Oh my god.
00:44:52
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This is probably the most difficult Girl U-Tri we've ever had because things were either bad and it's like, oh, absolutely not.
00:45:00
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And then there are things that are like, what was she even doing?
00:45:03
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So I think legit contenders for Girl U-Tri, Chaser Game W, The Sign.
00:45:13
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I think it's those two.
00:45:14
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Yeah, I was going to say, I want to kind of put Tsukidoya there, but that feels mean.
00:45:19
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No, I think Sukidoya was better than that.
00:45:22
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Exactly.
00:45:23
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That's the constant problem this season.
00:45:24
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There are things that didn't necessarily land exactly, but they didn't really fail.
00:45:28
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Or there were things that were just like, oh, absolutely not.
00:45:30
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We're not giving you an award for that.
00:45:35
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I think it's really Chaser Game W and The Sign.
00:45:38
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So between those two, if I had to pick... You do.
00:45:43
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That's the bit.
00:45:47
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I think the sign tried harder than Chaser Game W. So for me, it's the sign.
00:45:52
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What do you think?
00:45:53
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It is the sign because Saint really did try.
00:45:58
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There's a lot of effort that went into the sign.
00:46:01
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While we have some real consternation with it as a piece of propaganda and as a maybe too watered down adaptation of its source material and kind of confusing plot threads, I think there's a lot of real effort that went into that.
00:46:17
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I think the performances are really earnest.
00:46:20
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It's not a half-assed production in any way.
00:46:23
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While it doesn't land exactly for me, I think it is probably the best Girl You Tried show we've had.
00:46:32
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Going back to the original intent of Girl You Tried, it was really for something with a good concept but problematic execution.
00:46:41
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I think the sign fits into that.
00:46:42
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I think that they had the right ideas.
00:46:45
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I think that maybe they got in the weeds and did not know how to get back out.
00:46:51
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So dubious congratulations to Idol Factory.
00:46:55
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I don't want you all to feel bad about Girl You Tried.
00:46:58
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I think there's a lot of great stuff in your show.
00:47:00
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I think the efforts that went into CGI work are really noteworthy.
00:47:05
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There's technical gains there that are going to be really beneficial for the Thai media landscape, even well beyond BL.
00:47:13
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I really thank them for introducing Babe Tenetat to us because I really like him.
00:47:18
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I will co-sign on Gab Jacker.
00:47:20
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I am a fan.
00:47:21
Speaker
We got to see Yoshi again.
00:47:22
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I haven't seen Yoshi properly since like Lovesick.
00:47:25
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It is the girl who tried.
00:47:35
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Let's look ahead to
Upcoming BL Shows and Podcast Plans
00:47:36
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the future.
00:47:37
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Give me one thing you're looking forward to this season or something that you're watching now that you're looking forward to talking about.
00:47:43
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I'm really, really looking forward to talking about Love is Better the second time around.
00:47:49
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We just finished episode four of six as of this recording, and it's still going very strong.
00:47:54
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I'm excited to talk about Unknown.
00:47:55
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I'm only two episodes in and it is really intriguing.
00:47:58
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I'm having a good time with that one.
00:47:59
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I'm looking forward to discussing that.
00:48:02
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I am hoping that 23.5 is a really good discussion for us.
00:48:06
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I would really like to have a positive conversation about Tai GL.
00:48:11
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I really want Milk and Love show to be really good.
00:48:13
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I love them both a lot.
00:48:15
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And it's really important to me that the show go over really well.
00:48:20
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My disaster loser lesbian love answer.
00:48:27
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I want to say so much about what Milk is bringing to this role.
00:48:31
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So I am also looking forward to talking about 23.5.
00:48:34
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One of the things that I like about it so far is that it does not feel like flipped BL.
00:48:42
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It feels like a GL.
00:48:44
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It feels very specific to a lesbian experience.
00:48:47
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And I am excited by that.
00:48:51
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I can't say I'm looking forward to, but I'm gonna watch We Are.
00:48:55
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I just am.
00:48:56
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Ben's on my case already.
00:48:58
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I'm on Ben's case already.
00:49:00
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We both have feelings about Miss Suwage.
00:49:02
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Opposite direction feelings.
00:49:04
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We're both gonna be watching this grumpily, but for different reasons.
00:49:09
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I just don't really know what's going to happen in this.
00:49:13
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It's going to be 16 episodes of people vibing.
00:49:16
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We already went through this with the fucking Star in My Mind, our Sky episode.
00:49:23
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But you see, the difference is that unlike things like Star in My Mind and Hidden Agenda, we are being told up front that this show is about nothing.
00:49:34
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Well, I'm glad you're looking forward to four months of nothing.
00:49:37
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We've already established that right now I'm in a very busy time of my life.
00:49:41
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So something I can watch mindlessly and enjoy the pretty, I will jump on.
00:49:46
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I don't mean Poo-in's here.
00:49:48
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Everybody loves Poo-in.
00:49:49
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That's not how I'm built!
00:49:54
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For me, this is really simple.
00:49:56
Speaker
Poo-in is here.
00:49:56
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We love Poo-in.
00:49:58
Speaker
I am looking forward to seeing what Winnie and Satan give.
00:50:04
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I am very interested in seeing, oh, Boom.
00:50:08
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I grew to love Boom through the mess that was Hidden Agenda.
00:50:12
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And I am looking forward to seeing what he brings to the table here.
00:50:16
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There isn't much of a table, but they are going to lay it as best as they can.
00:50:22
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I am also looking forward to watching Unknown and Love is Better the second time around.
00:50:27
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Looking forward to catching up with those once they're complete.
00:50:32
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I'm excited for Living With Him.
00:50:35
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We've got an interesting one from Korea called Grey Shelter.
00:50:40
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We've got a meta one coming from Japan called At 2500 in Akasaka, which is about two guys preparing to film a BL and complicated feelings coming in.
00:50:52
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Up Poon Pot is going to be back with us again.
00:50:54
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And my stand-in, he's going to be playing across Poon.
00:50:58
Speaker
That one looks like it's going to be messy as hell.
00:50:59
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And I think Up is well suited for that kind of messy.
00:51:04
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There is another Korean one on the horizon called Boys Be Brave.
00:51:10
Speaker
And a man who defies the world of BL3 is supposed to release sometime in April.
00:51:18
Speaker
I'm excited to see Inukai again.
00:51:19
Speaker
I'm excited to see Yutaro again.
00:51:21
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I'm excited to see Itagami Baku again.
00:51:23
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Very, very happy about this.
00:51:26
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I am excited to catch up, actually, with Zetai BL.
00:51:31
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I have been meaning to watch that for years, so I might take advantage of this opportunity to
00:51:38
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So that's what we're looking forward to coming up.
00:51:42
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Going forward, we're going to be switching things up a little bit in terms of our schedule of when things come out.
00:51:48
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We're still going to be seasonal, but probably on a more extended schedule.
00:51:52
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Bring us a little bit closer to real time.
00:51:55
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So look out for announcements from us.
00:51:59
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But for now, that's going to wrap us up on the Laniap.
00:52:01
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I'm going to wrap us up on the spring season.
00:52:05
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We out.
00:52:06
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Say bye to the people, Ben.
00:52:08
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Peace.