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Speaker: It's not fun when you're not making progress. But consistency doesn't, it's not just when you feel good or things feel awesome. It's you go through the highs and the lows. people It's the work you put in six, seven, eight, nine weeks ago that led to that one, wow.
Speaker: I saw this performance improvement. know what mean? If it's just, if you're just working when things feel good or when it's fun, you'll make a little bit of progress in life, but over a three, four, five year period, you're not going to get very far.
Speaker: Welcome to the Captains and Coaches podcast. We explore the art and the science of leadership through the lens of athletics and beyond. I'm your host Tex McColkin and today I travel to Dallas, Texas to sit down with Joey Burgles, phenomenal coach and motivator who's meticulous about teaching technique and building biomechanics for his athletes.
Speaker: Nothing, and I mean nothing, escapes his attention. That obsession with the details is exactly why NFL athletes, top tennis pros, lacrosse standouts like the Cavanaugh brothers all trust him to get them stronger, faster, and performing in their arenas when it counts.
Speaker: In this conversation, Joey talks about why consistency beats talent, how he teaches young athletes the difference between pain and discomfort, and why the environment you put yourself in might be the single biggest predictor of where you end up in 10 years.
Speaker: Very grateful to Joey for giving us his time for this interview. And thank you to the Lacrosse Barn for opening up their podcast studio to allow us to sit down. Excited for this one. I don't want to hold back any longer. Let's hand it off to Joey who helps us raise the game. Ready, ready, and break.
Speaker: been in this room before? I have not. I didn't know this existed. Okay. Yeah. Well, next door is a golf simulator. Okay. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. They're kitting it out. i And the show sponsored by Yeti, so I'll have a gift package to to send your way right on brand.
Speaker: ah Action. Sitting down with Joey Bergolas at the La Crosse Barn. So we've got to give our friends here shout out. So La Crosse Barn and then Oak Fit. Yep.
Speaker: I'm curious, man, you been at the high school level, you've been at the college level, you work with many pros. What brought you Oakfoot in this beautiful facility here? Yeah. So, um, so first I think it kind of goes back to the relationship I have with Ronnie, um, at Oakfoot. So, um, we've, you know been friends for a while, um you know, in kind of,
Speaker: acquaintances and such within the industry. And a lot of our methodologies, our philosophies on not just training, but the kind of life in general, a lot of stuff kind of flows really well together. So I think, um you know, looking at, you know, kind of the next steps for me, you know, business career wise, some other stuff I wanted to do, it just felt like a really good transition in terms of, you know, philosophically, I think probably like anyone can probably, you know, relate to in any field or whatever you do. um A lot of things can be really good, but if there's a philosophical difference with individuals you're working with. It just becomes like you got the best facility in the world. You can have other stuff, but um it's not going to flow very well. And so I think that's where um that was really one of the intriguing and really things I'm really looking forward to. a lot of the philosophical things, um they come together really well. um One of the the benefits too is um
Speaker: Like on my end, time is a limiting factor for just like it is for everyone. So there's only so much, you know, and I know we live in a world of scaling and other stuff um and time zone, you can only scale it so much. So I think that's one of the things too, of the,
Speaker: that I have a lot of parents, athletes, individuals that you know reach out and want training, know whether it's in person remotely whatever. And I think that's one of the best things bridge-wise. I was talking about philosophically. A lot of things that I do implement is very, very similar to what Oak Fit does. And I think that flows very, very well because at the end day, I think a lot of athletes...
Speaker: parents, they want to, they want their kids to get coached. They want to get good technique. They want to, you know, get faster, more explosive, more powerful, regardless of the sport they play. They want to stay healthy. um You know, and then they also, I think, want the, you to be pushed and challenged to, you know, those kind of mental kind of things that drive people, not just in sports, but in life as well. So I think all of those things I just mentioned, they flow very well with Oak Fit. So Being able to come together and offer and deal of service so many more athletes, you know, yeah individuals, kids in the DFW area, I think is super, super exciting. And that's what I'm really looking forward to. And obviously, as you can see the lacrosse barn. I mean, it's just world class in terms of there's individuals I work with online, um like lacrosse kids on, you know, Pennsylvania on the East Coast, kids on the West Coast. And I kind of mentioned like, oh, you to see this new lacrosse spot that Matt was like, there's a lacrosse barn. was like, it's It is. I was like, i didn't realize this was like whatever. So, um so yeah, I mean, it's like just, out of that I've learned like just nationally on another level. There's nothing really like this from my understanding in the, in the country. i just actually had a kid um that I've been working with online for about six, seven months now. They live in Washington. still a lacrosse player, 14 year lacrosse player. They came down, um
Speaker: they wanted to get ah work like uh lacrosse work here at the barn with nick um they came out for three days and i wanted to work with me for three days so it kind of flowed very well as i uh you know like that was just know i wouldn't say i don't know if it's a hub i don't want to uh misspeak but from what is lacrosse is lacrosse is in my um isn't a sport i have a very much of any of a background in so i don't want to necessarily Yeah.
Speaker: passionate about lacrosse so i don't want to necessarily like misspeak in any way but it feels like lacrose is just blowing up in texas and dallas yeah um you know i probably train more lacrosse kids honestly than i do football kids which you know i'm from the midwest i'm from illinois I never would have thought, you know, 20 years ago, if you were had told me I was in Texas, it'd be like, it's all this football. But it's kind of interesting to see that kind of change and transition, just the number of lacrosse kids and how the sport's kind of grown. When I was in grad school, I went to grad school in St. Louis, and that would have been in like 2013, 2014.
Speaker: And i never played touch lacrosse. One of my roommates was our lacrosse assistant coach. One of my other roommates with our lacrosse, one of my really good friends still, was the lacrosse strength coach. So I just got in a day with lacrosse.
Speaker: I've never, you know, experienced it before. And it was right on the time did the University of Denver, won the national championship. It was the first time a school west of Mississippi had never won a national championship in lacrosse, which I guess was just like kind of unheard of. It's just been an East Coast dominant sport. So I'd assume the last whatever, 10 years or so, kind of just seeing everything in Texas, seeing stuff in the West Coast, how it's kind of transitioned and and I guess the speed of which the game has grown has been awesome. Yeah.
Speaker: I love to see it as a lacrosse player from Texas, yeah played college East Coast, and there was no weightlifting performance training associated with it. It was finesse, skill.
Speaker: So then I was able to find success as a football player with a stick in playing physical, But now move back and coach the sport and just love to see my world starting to combine in this performance attitude, be connected with the sport. Because football, it's it's it's married. It's one and one.
Speaker: But now it's expanding. So that's why I really want to have this conversation because the worlds are colliding where you're a performance expert and one of the leaders in the industry. And now you're here.
Speaker: So you're going to give your dose and experience to the sport. And that's that's what I'm super excited about. And just watching your brain think. Yeah, because that's one of the the fascinating things we connected a few years ago. you spoke at University of Texas Performance Clinic.
Speaker: and yeah i was following you online but then got a chance to have a conversation with you and that's that's awesome so i'd love to to delve into your experience i mean since then because you continue to to learn grow and work with different athletes but still lean into principles and that's what i think is important for us to start because a lot of high school coaches they They don't know which program to follow or they do what they did as a college athlete and now give it to their high school guys.
Speaker: Not necessarily the best place to start. It's better than nothing. So where does your mind evolve around establishing performance principles, no matter the sport that you're working with?
Speaker: Yeah, so I think... um
Speaker: kind of coming back and I'll come forward with it as you're like talking programs stuff like that. And I think this is, i was sitting on my couch actually kind of just thinking about this kind of concept this morning. Um,
Speaker: It's like in life, you can go look at anything and people are not necessarily looking for shortcuts, but it's like, need this eight-week program. I need this 12-week program. I need this, like whatever. And when I look at like development, like, and that's the benefits, I guess, of my career experiences and stuff like that of, you know, working with individuals. It's a lot different working with someone for like six, seven, eight weeks than when you work with someone like two years straight, three years straight, five years straight. When you take someone from their 11 years old till they're 16 years old, when you take an 18-year-old college,
Speaker: kid till they're 22 or whatever. So I've had a ah good amount of experiences working with individuals for, you know, like two, three, four years, um you know, which is really cool. But then you also kind of understand like, what's really important and what's really important kind of come back to this just consistency aspect. And I know it sounds very redundant. It's not something that sounds cool, but like consistency and like hard work.
Speaker: I know like, and the problem is a lot of people just saying, oh yeah, and I'll do that. I'll do that. Like, no, it's like I've interacted with so many people now, not just like coaching throughout my career, but like in life and just the amount of individuals. And it's not like a slap in the face at anyone, but like the number of people that I interact with, it it can be consistent on, I don't care what it is, say investing.
Speaker: Can you consistently take part of your paycheck and put this into investing for the next 10 years? Are you going to have those six, eight, 10 months where it's like, I wanted to go on a vacation, I did this or I wanted do whatever. not saying right or wrong, but that's a consistency piece.
Speaker: If I want to get stronger, faster, more explosive, I need to be consistent for six, seven, eight, nine, 10 months. And there's going to days where things go up, down, weeks where you're not stagnating. And those are the times it's not fun.
Speaker: not fun when you're not making progress. But consistency doesn't, it's not just when you feel good or things feel awesome, it's you go through the highs and the lows. I had an NFL guy just like last week, um we hit a massive vertical jump PR. Like it was like three or four centimeters up from where he's been. He's been, you know, when you're 30, 31 years old to hit like numbers, like it's not like it's like a 16, 15 year old kid. So it's like, but you look at his numbers, there's a lot of like stagnation for like five, six, seven, eight weeks where it was kind of like, eh, kind of going up, some down, um not anything crazy. And it wasn't like we did anything crazy, but sometimes the fatigue and the other, act it just takes time for that stuff to kind of pull through. I made a little few little changes and it's like, wow, we just hit a massive PR.
Speaker: It's all the work that and like I was telling him, I'll tell other people, it's the work you put in six, seven, eight, nine weeks ago that led to that one. Wow. I saw this performance improvement. You know what mean? If it's just, if you're just working when things feel good or when it's fun, you'll make a little bit of progress in life, but over a three, four, five year period, you're not going to get very far. And I think that's one of the things just in life society. Now and we live in a, just a world where it's not fun. Go do something else. And the problem is, is,
Speaker: There's going a lot of times if you want to be good at, say, lacrosse, you want to be a good coach, you want to build a business, you want to pick whatever you want to do in life. It's going to be 5, 10, 15 years of working towards that. And there's going lot of times where it's not fun.
Speaker: It's not enjoyable. I would rather be doing something else. I you know i i don't try and... I guess to the point where I'm at now, I really don't, and I've told people this kind of, an I guess, partially kind of held this most of my life, but I really don't care what people think to a certain degree about me, like whatever. so I'll post stuff of like, say in my office at nine o'clock on Friday, doing programming or Saturday or stuff like that.
Speaker: I'm not trying to shove it down to people's throat. and There's a lot of stuff that I don't have time to take a picture of, but it's like, yeah, I'm going be honest. I would rather be sitting on my couch watching a movie than in my office programming for these NFL guys on a Saturday afternoon or a Friday night.
Speaker: But for everything that I guess that I have in my life right now or what I'm doing business coaching wise, whatever it is, like, yeah. Again, everybody wants the lottery ticket and not really do like work in the 10-hour work week. Like, I don't... You can do that. Like, whatever. Like, I just... That's not...
Speaker: I don't think that applies to 99% of people. And so like you've got to put the stuff in even when it's not fun, not enjoyable. I think that's where when you see progress long term happen, the kids that I see that make the most progress and I'm not talking to that are trained in person, so I do a lot of online coaching. I work with a lot of people all over the world.
Speaker: it's It's the people that like you've been consistent for like a year and a half. And I look and it's like you were falling all over, like saying doing a jump or whatever. And now it's like it's night and day difference. Or like even though you have a kid, like a tennis player in Iowa, like he's so he started out back around, know, maybe October something like that. but He's had like 77 scheduled workouts. I could be off on this number. hasn't missed one workout.
Speaker: nice I told him it's three times a week. And I told him, like, I'm gonna be honest, like, and hopefully I have a reputation or certain level of respect now that I just don't tell people stuff to make you feel good. So when I say this, hopefully it means something. But i'm like, you're one of you. There's not very many people I interact with that can go six months and not miss a workout.
Speaker: that's And it's not I'm talking professional athletes, kids, adults whatever. So like you would think like, oh, it's not that hard to go six months without missing a workout. yeah so there's There's not many people that can do that.
Speaker: You know why? Because stuff will happen in life. And I understand stuff happens in life. But there's also times where it's like, it's really not convenient to train today. And then we all play that game in our mind where it's like, I'll just skip it. I'll do this. and that's even for motivated people.
Speaker: So that's six months of consistency. It might seem easy on a piece of paper. And the reality, it's not. And that's my experiences with people. And that's why... um you know i think that's one of the biggest drivers it's really hard for people to show like consistency that's why i do like kind of showing like on my social media and other stuff like the before and the afters a lot of times like you see a year year and a half two years i don't have some magic exercises that you can do for two weeks and do that it's showing up every day doing it and the thing that i find the most respect for this is kids anybody that i work with is like the people the kids whatever it's like it's 6 a.m you're waking up to do that workout before school
Speaker: And this is, you know, get a lot of flack in me. I don't really care. don't find, you don't find many people that will do that. Fine. Okay. Like, i and I agree. I trust me. I completely understand. i've probably read more books on the most people you can find on sleep. i have a full bookshelf of all the different, more data and on sleep. i understand how important it is, but I also wanted understand how important grit, toughness, being driven for something that you really want in life. And that might mean you got to give up 30 minutes of sleep.
Speaker: and maybe You might go bed earlier to get that sleep or whatever it is. But most people, it's hard. Just like the reality of like, Things are hard. Like, I don't want to hard it out. Like I'm dieting right now. i would love to, there's a lot of things I would like to do right now. um But it's it's hard. it's it's You don't lose. I think I've lost 28. I have lost. I just waited myself. myself i lost 28 pounds in 11 weeks.
Speaker: And so doing that, there wasn't one day or one work. Like I could have been perfect for one day, but that's 11 weeks of I haven't missed one cardio session. haven't missed one lift. I haven't missed one thing on my diet. I weigh my olive oil out every day. i weigh every detail out.
Speaker: So I might be right. I might be wrong or whatever. But like consistency, like I think like when I talk about that stuff, hopefully people would be like, yeah, like the athletes that see me, they'd be like, yeah, Joey's eating the same, literally the same thing every day.
Speaker: All right. And I'm not going to I just don't have the time or care to take a picture of that. I guess posted on Instagram every day. But that's the reality of life. And I think if people that get far want to get certain places in life, you've got to be consistent. You've got to be driven. And that might mean I want to be the best.
Speaker: You know, I want to play Division one lacrosse. OK, how many people are saying the exact same thing? A lot. Tens of thousands. How many opportunities? you So you're you're are you and trying to be kind of blunt with people? cause I think people need that.
Speaker: There's one LeBron James in the world. There's one, like, whatever. If you're God-given, if you can kind of work average and your God-given talents are that good, maybe you can get there. One of the things that's helped me in life, and I think helped help a lot of other people, just being honest for yourself, I'm no, I'm not that good. yeah I got to do the things that other people won't. So, like, I got to on point of my diet. I got to...
Speaker: wake up early to get my training in. I've got to go find different ways to get better. You know what mean? And I think that's one of the things that's helped me in life is just that drive to find ways, whether it's coaching, training, like whatever. You're still kind of this never ending path of trying to get to, you know, that destination that kind of keeps moving. But I think that's one of the things that, you know, and you're not going to do that You might be here. There might be people that are so much better than you right now. And I think the approach that is I like to take and the mindset that I have is like, OK, give me like give me 10 months, give me a year and a half. like You're better than me right now. Whatever. Let me just keep scratching. claw I'm going to try and hunt you down.
Speaker: And I mean, because I can't I'm probably not going get better in a week or two for over six months, two years. We all remember the kids that were like better than us when we were 14. Were they all better us at 16? No. Right? And now you look at like, well, can I train better? Can I?
Speaker: would not just performance training, but like say skills training. Can I do this stuff better? Can I get, can I put more time in? Can I do more film? Can I do all this other stuff? And you start seeing like all these little like opportunities for you to get better. And they just keep expanding when you do that consistently over years, if you will. So I think that's one of the things that's not fun, but I think it's also one of the things i enjoy most about, i guess, life is that kind of chase or that hunt of like, Yeah, I see where at one of the things I try and tell the kids, you know, a lot of the kids I tell a lot just see where you're at right now. Think about where you six months from now.
Speaker: Every day when you go in the gym, right? You're trying. We're working every ounce of energy and effort you have. Don't look at your cell phone. Don't look at this. Like, put every ounce of energy you have into that six month time frame for right now. Because you know what? Like, there's a lot of saying that that time comes. I'll say in six months, like, are we where we want to be at?
Speaker: Right. And like, you look back, did you miss any training? Were you were you really working that hard? Like, how hard were you pushing? And I think that's another area where, you know, we all realize, like, especially at younger ages, like, you think you're working hard, then you kind of get older, you're like, oh, wow, that was probably a seven out of 10. Yeah. And I think people i work with on, like again, as I've mentioned online, but, um,
Speaker: That's one of the hardest things like intensity like you see people train it's you're really not you think you're training hard and this isn't even just like kids or i'm talking about adults like you had two more reps like on that set of chest press and you just you could have grinded through that.
Speaker: And that's the hard part is like you can put in this exercise this reps is set whatever but like you've got to like learn how to push it at level and I think that's where a coach trainer somebody else it's like no that's not good enough keep going. And then um and then maybe you're doing like a drop a rest pause. It's like you just did another six reps.
Speaker: You want to quit right there. Like those six reps, we might not be doing that every time, but that's the level you got to push to. And then you keep doing that month after month. And it's like, wow, I put on seven pounds. Yeah.
Speaker: That's the secret right there is going to that like next level and being so engaged in the process that you're pushing that hard. Yeah. With, with youth, we'll we'll call it nine to 15 as they're just starting to introduce training.
Speaker: What's your approach to communicating the difference between so strain, like you're talking about in pain, because they've never experienced and felt that before. Yeah. That's actually a good point. cause I have a lot of kids like, um, or I'll get this, you know, like this hurts or I'm hurt. I'm like, man, are you like, okay, hurt?
Speaker: And discomfort are not the same thing. So like once you start um kind of like paring it down, you realize like they can't differentiate. And it's normal. You can't differentiate like my knee hurts. I'm 35 years old or 30, whatever old you are.
Speaker: My knee hurts because it's bad. or my my quad hurts because I just did squats the other day. my Everything around my knee is sore. yeah They'll theyll will go with the same. So that's where I like to use. So I'm really big into like isometrics and stuff like that. And that's one of the things. So like i have different like there's different stages. So like when you're young,
Speaker: We're learning the techniques, the movements and stuff like that. So I'm not I'm very conservative loading wise, because that's where a lot of I call mistakes happen. People start loading stuff too fast. They go too heavy. The movement started good, but i was starting to look bad because you're more concerned about the weight. And then it's like, say, two years later, it's like, ah, this doesn't look good. And complaining about back issues or whatever. It's like, well, let's go back two years when I started to kind of go downhill. So I don't really like it'd be like deadlifts. Like you can push people hard on deadlifts, but like technique starts going out the window. and You start to see stuff go over. you can push someone say really hard on uh i'm not saying this for kids but like say like a leg press or a hack squat and it's like because of the machine it's confined that like you can't really start like compensating or like using your back your legs you're gonna fail or not yeah but that's where the isometrics come in because you're you're putting people in a safe position there's to see if there's no sharing force of sharing forces on the joint um you can do a wall sitting i'll do float iso lunges different stuff like that but it's like you just got to sit there and
Speaker: take it. And you know i mean Most people think that's hard. And it's like, no, you could go another 25, 30 seconds. And then you do that the next time you go another seven seconds, it's like, Oh, wow. I had more than I thought. And then every day you're learning is like, I'd say the youth, youth athlete of like, wow, I can push myself harder than a kid. And i think that's where the coaching um and the training comes in. I get a lot of people that just want like a program, which I do programs super beneficial. But i think one of the most important things to have is like someone that can like just teach and push you and it's safe, like, uh, and safe and not, um, what's the word? Like, um,
Speaker: I like to cut some of the coaches that we probably grew up with, you know, 20 years ago, they were just like running into the ground and like, cut like whatever. So I don't know what the terminology you would use for that is, but like, Hey, I'm going to push you hard, but I'm not doing this to like, just bury you. yeah It's to get a, like say an improvement performance wise, but it's also the mental component. Cause this is, what's going to be, like I said, that consistency and that, that kind of that resilience of the mind to be able to take like, wow, I just got cut from that lacrosse team.
Speaker: Okay, so what are you going to do? Are you going to It's fine i mean, you can quit. Or are you like, hey, you know what? i'm gonna take the next six months and I'm going to stop hanging out with my friends on Friday afternoons or evenings and I'm going to train.
Speaker: dude That's not fun. That's not fun. Okay, but like, we i think we all get to at certain points in life. What do you really want? What do you really want? Like, a lot of people kind of say they want stuff, but in reality, it's like, I want to go hang out with friends. i want to play video games. I want to be able to do all this. And it's like, you say you want to go play Division one or you want to do this or that. The reality is that, going back to like my LeBron James argument, like, man,
Speaker: you you're probably gonna have to give up some stuff. And that's the reality. And that's, hey, if I want to be the you wanna to run a successful business, you're be a CEO, probably not working 20 hours a week, and you're probably gonna have to give up a lot of other stuff.
Speaker: That's life. You what I mean? and And that's where I think, I think it's still important to be a kid and have fun and stuff like that. But then also like understand we're a different time for kids. You know what mean? Because of that, like we were probably kids. It was like, you're going to do this. You're going to do it for the next year. And I don't care if you like it you're to with it.
Speaker: Now, you're not having fun. Let's go to something else. Right. So we already live in a different society with that because that consistency piece isn't really pushed in. And now, um, it's like, you know, go do something else, have fun, be a kid. And I think that's kind of gone almost on a reverse spectrum where it's like,
Speaker: Man, you see kids that are working hard 13, 14, 15 years old. And this is just my personal belief. stuff can change in life and we all get influenced by stuff. But man, you just see people that are like resilient, like in, you know, 14, 15, 16, I think 20, 30 years down the line, like a lot of those, those personality traits are still there. yeah How many times you see older people that kind of like, you don't really have any sense urgency. You don't really work that hard. Well, what were they like as a kid?
Speaker: I'd just be curious. You know what It's probably very similar. So that's where, um, and I even get, you know, a lot about like, you know, kids Kids should be kids. And again, I don't want to go on a tangent here, but you know a lot of those people that probably didn't maybe work hard when they were younger, they're the voices now. They're like, hey, do this. I'm like, hey, if you want to be driven or accomplish something, take something different. yeah You know I mean i know What's the cliche? If it was easy, everyone would do it.
Speaker: It was easy to work, practice one hour a week for lacrosse. Everyone go to division one. Right. Then well, the division one wouldn't be. Yeah. You know I mean? Like, exactly. So like, I think that's just the reality of like trying to find people in life that like, wow, this person like went above their talents or their abilities and accomplish things.
Speaker: That's the stuff I want to do What are they saying? Or what are like their, what's kind of their advice pieces? Not the, not the, thousands of pieces of opinions that people have online on Facebook and Instagram or whatever, just like, ah do this. It's like not trying to be, you know, everyone like, okay, what have you accomplished? What have you done?
Speaker: If you haven't really done much, then your opinion, your viewpoint on this doesn't really probably gonna lead me to the direction that I want to go in my life. So yeah. And that I mean, that's the beauty of a a place like this where you have established coaches that have accomplished the goals. For example, Nick was a two time All American at UNC. Yeah.
Speaker: If he asked me to do something and i have a similar goal, I'm going to listen. Exactly. Then combine it with the strength and conditioning and now, because Nick had that weight room mentality as high school player.
Speaker: But now he gets the opportunity to say skill and a go next door. And this is presenting. And then you yourself, you're, you're modeling a representation of sacrifice through your, your training and your approach to nutrition.
Speaker: So now how do you introduce sacrifice to that same population of nine to 15? You mentioned grit. Is there a way for us to, to dose grit in these guys without having them to then quit?
Speaker: Yeah, I think, I think, one of the the approaches that i like to utilize with that is taking the time to like okay say you do something hard, you're like you struggle through it, say, hey, you know, like kind of that debrief period of like, hey, you know what, like, these are the times like, you know, we might struggle or fail, we have to have this time, but this is where you're gonna learn. So I want you to think about like the next week when we come back to this, all right, think about it a couple of times this week, like, man, you know, i hit that spot, I want to push harder, I want to like, my mind can take me somewhere else, I can do that, things like that.
Speaker: I think that's kind of those, that's where the coaching aspect comes in of like the, thell the, the teaching life lessons, I guess, if you will, that's probably one of the things that didn't really get applied probably we were kids, but you got right into the ground and that was it.
Speaker: You were this way. Yeah. And that's it. And there's no like life lesson kind of thing. Cause we all remember that stuff from like, you know, when were 11, 12, those random little things. And like, well, why do we remember those? And think about all those times where maybe we could have gotten some valuable piece of,
Speaker: just life advice that stays with It's like, oh, wow. Yeah, you know what? I guess I didn't realize that. You know what So that's kind of, that's the approach that I like to take. I think the other thing too, is just being honest is it's people, you can have the same message from a hundred people, but everyone's reaction or emotional attachment to someone is going be different. So like, I could go say everything I'm saying right now, but if it's someone I've never worked with or met before, like,
Speaker: this guy like whatever if it's someone i've been working with for two three years they're gonna look at you in the eyes if it's a kid and it's adult and you're gonna have a different reaction with that and kind of to that point too that's where i'll get all kids like every everybody's on like social media and the internet now And so even like, say when I post of that stuff at night or whatever, I'll get parents like, oh man, like I showed that to whatever, like one of the kids I trained, like, man, I just wanted see that stuff. Or like, they see like, oh, like parents are like, man, i see they see how disciplined you are in your diet like whatever. And now they're cooking their dinners on their own. You can preach about their macros and like what other stuff. But I think that's one of the things too, is authenticity. And when you're just like, i think hopefully real around people, and it's like, hey, I'm telling you you need to, that wasn't good enough. for You need to push harder. Real on your reals. Yeah, real. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: um so anyway so i think that's one of the things so like when kids say like hey i'm being serious right now about like you need to push harder that wasn't good enough or whatever think it resonates different you know mean so i think that's one of the things with all those coaches that didn't really like walk the walk or like live that kind of motto we did probably didn't have much respect for them when they said stuff it kind of was what it was. You know what mean? Like you didn't really take it. but I think it was the ones that you realize like man, that individual, that coach was like super, just whatever. Like you had a certain level of respect for him when they told you something, it meant something different. So I think that's, that's probably one of the other things I would say too. I'm just trying to like walk the walk and just kind of live it.
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Speaker: Join us on the program, Opal. And now, back to the show. Ready, ready, and break. Makes complete sense. And now you've had the opportunity to work in the private sector, but also the high school. And a lot of your your high school videos you have out there is awesome when you're managing the whole group have you had a difference in Dynamics leadership communication one-on-one conversations in the private sector who are paying for your expertise and the guys that lucked into their school district why
Speaker: I Say it's kind of to that point too like this is what this is
Speaker: There's just like, even when I like say i worked in the high school setting, I feel like there's a lot of the same messages I preached, but there was a lot of people that just didn't like, listen or care. You'd have kids, you'd have like say a handful. So maybe you have like 20 kids, you'd have five or six where it's like, man, it's like resonating. You'd have 10 where it's like, man, I don't really care about any of this stuff, whatever, which is fine. We're all kids. Like i understand that or whatever. But I think it's kind of like one of those things too, where it be like, you know, like there was one time that just kind of sticks in my mind. We were running, we were doing this like sprint drill and there's like 30 football kids right there.
Speaker: and it was like a sprint float sprint journal, basically where you sprint, you float for a distance and you sprint again, trying to teach how to relax, contract. Not really that big of a deal, but I was like, basically the premise is like when you're doing the float part of sprint, it shouldn't look any different than yourre regular sprint. So like your body should just get relaxed, but everything should still look the same.
Speaker: And so I was standing behind one of the kids that was sprinting and the group was over here and I was like, one of the kids went, I'm like, so you guys see like when he's going right now, like, do you see how I saw that his like body shifted or it changed? I shouldn't look it shouldn't look like that when I'm looking back here. So I'm not kind of talking to you like that, like, whatever. And then I look and it's like, nobody's listening to me. They're all having side conversations, like whatever. And I was like, that was like one of the things I was like,
Speaker: when you're really engaged and you care about something, and this is, we all look through the lens probably that we kind of grew up or just how we view life of like, I tried to be there and like, I wanted to get better. So I was like, I'm paying attention. Like every part of that training session is like, what is the, not, I wasn't perfect by any stretch, but like,
Speaker: Okay, if I want to get faster, I'm going to like listen, pay attention coach and watch this, whatever, so I can make that change on my rep. And then like in that situation, I'm like, no one cares. I'm like, man, I thought that was a really good coaching point that I just like, well I just noticed right there for the first time. Because I had a different viewpoint than i normally did. and no one's listening.
Speaker: And so like, that's kind of to to, I think to your point of like, you can have everything maybe put in front of you, given to you or whatever, but like, that's what a lot of people want is they just want it to be easy. And it's like, Hey, I'd rather have that conversation with my friends and just be engaged for this full hour in this training session. and Does that kind of, if that kind of makes sense. so I think, I think that's one of the things that, and it's also like, I'll just be honest, like as you go through life, like it's a good, to just as I talk about the consistency and the other stuff of like, you know, there's, I've worked in a private sector. I've also worked in high school. So like, I've seen, I've seen,
Speaker: when people assume that everybody works hard and pushes themselves, it matter if you're good, bad or whatever. Some of the kids that I have the most respect for, I've ever had the most respect for in my life, where the kids are maybe like, we're second or third-year-old kids in high school. But I saw those kids just literally every day. They were the ones that were, they would be listening or they would be like running around trying to get somewhere to get another set done because time's limited. When you're really good, you don't have to do that stuff.
Speaker: And eventually stuff evens out and everyone gets to that level. But those kids that like, or man, that kid is pushing, working it hard. I mean, I mean, I, there might be a hundred kids working out and there's, you know, times where there's like, I see 20, 25 of you guys, like, just like, you know, drenching sweat and everybody else like, we're all doing the same workout.
Speaker: And how are, how are 20, 25 the kids drenching sweat and the other 70 are just, just chilling, cool, like whatever. yeah And that comes back to how hard are you going to push yourself? How hard are you going to work? And that's the reality. I'm sure you could go to not just Texas, you go to anywhere else in the country and you could go to a high school right now and you would see maybe it'd be a little bit different at everyone percentage wise, but there's a lot of people that aren't,
Speaker: Working hard, kind just going through motions. You go to probably any business, anywhere in the world, you'll see people that are working hard, pushing themselves, and other people are just kind of coasting, nine to five. So I think that's one of the the things just realize that's that's that's the world we live in right now. And I think you can get by, you can pass up a lot of people are more talented, do you have better opportunities than you, by just grinding, working hard.
Speaker: I can't control how tall I am. I can't control certain... aspects of who we are you know physically but i can't control how hard i work i can control how much i'm willing to suffer sacrifice struggle and push myself for the things i want in life yeah and then in in that vein i mean coaching for so many years now you see that kid but then you see them 10 years later yeah and people are patterns So that's why I love the high school level is you have an opportunity to teach them new patterns, to hold the mirror up and create some self-awareness and realize or reference another guy who they know, maybe an older brother that they look up to and saying, hey, he flipped the switch ah when he was 15.
Speaker: And now look at him. He's playing X or accomplishing XYZ in business, whatever it may be. so you get this opportunity where with the you know freshman age group age range where having fun is being with your boys and playing grab ass but it starts to switch for certain individuals where having fun is being good at something so then they they position themselves they posture up different in the weight room or on the field because it's really starting to click and you see the momentum go.
Speaker: So then to to your point, i I'm confident somebody was listening to you when you were pointing that out. i don't know if it was everybody, maybe the majority, but then You just have to hit those little dominoes when you can at the where I can't control who I'm working with high school level.
Speaker: Somebody somebody's listening. Yeah. And to be honest, I think that's where like for even just talking to coaches right now, I think those are the things are individuals in life like. Those are the moments that hope I think that moment, maybe even if nobody was listening. All right. That was an experience that I had that I still remember, whatever that affects how I view the world, how I coach people. When I tell you what's important, what's not important.
Speaker: That's one of the factors I could write out a cool sprint drill. But like that factor right there is what most people miss, know what mean? That just attention, how focused, how attentive to detail are you? what mean? So that maybe in that short term, nobody benefited from that, but hopefully all the athletes that I work with, anyone I interact with, when I tell you this is important, not important, all those factors go into that consistency. When I'm talking about consistency, yeah that's one of the things when I'm talking about how hard do you work in every training session, how focused are you in every training session? that's going to have that effect on that. So that's kind of how I try to do stuff in like, you know, we all go through life and we all have, you know, probably different moments or stuff like that. And that's going to influence like, you if you you ask me, like well, what are the three most important things I need to whatever on anything?
Speaker: I'm not saying that's going to affect everything, but like that's going to, when I give you that three things answers, all it's not, what is it like chat GPT, all these like AIs now, which they're all smart, like whatever, obviously. But like, when we look at like someone's brain, like AI can't go into, and I'm not trying to put myself on a pedestal, but AI can't go into my brain and take all those little data points that I've had or whatever. And when I tell you, this is what we need to focus on. That's what it is. So if you would have asked me 10 years ago, that answer would be different because I haven't had,
Speaker: those experiences hopefully it's gonna be different in 10 years because i've had even more experiences or seen different stuff kind of play out so i think that's one of the important things as a coach is just like you know take that stuff in but just kind of just keep just letting it kind of like a stew keep putting it in and your your answers and your your viewpoints and stuff is going to keep changing because of that so while we're on that chat gbt It can be used as a shortcut to accelerate I use it for copywriting and all the stuff I hate that's administrative but still program and and want to sit in the art and enforce myself to continue to learn and and grow there So now how tempting it is for young coaches to fall in the trap of the chat GPT program versus
Speaker: reaching out to coaches, learning from them, diving into the the Soviet books that are very dense. But once you so see the patterns, you see the patterns. What would your guidance be to young coaches to avoid the easy path so that you can really genuinely find your own voice to help your athletes?
Speaker: I think kind of to that point, like what makes us valuable to a certain degree in life is the experience that we have. So not just the knowledge, but like how we're able to like, I think wisdom is like knowledge plus experiences. i think that's so like a layman's definition or whatever. So your wisdom, um you know, is individual to you in terms of your experiences and such. So I think...
Speaker: one of the things that's helped me a lot probably a lot of other coaches well too is just just there's so much trial and error and so you could look at a textbook and it could be like well this is what you need to do for this week like for an eight week ten week power strength whatever but then you start like just looking at the world and you start realizing like wow that we didn't do anything crazy we just hit some massive numbers i did this awesome training cycle with two cycles together and it's like we didn't get any results Well, why is that textbook said this should have happened or this, you know, mean, whatever. And I can't.
Speaker: And I think as you gain more experience, if you just use chat GPT or anything like that, you're just relying solely on that. When someone asks you a question, can you really give a response? Like, you know, mean, you're kind of just copying pasting what somebody says.
Speaker: So um So i think that's one of the the the most valuable things that you probably have in life. It's like when someone asks you like a question of like being able to like hopefully give a good answer or like just be honest, like I don't know. like I say that a lot. like I'll be honest, I can't explain this. I don't know why this just went up. I did this. But I think that's one of the things if you get if you take that easy path, it might be better like the short term, but when you look at like, where do I want at 10, 15, 20, 25 years from now, you're going to have to go through a lot of those like growing pains. Those like times where you like fail or like you try stuff out, you didn't work. There's a lot of stuff I've tried out that I thought was gonna be awesome. It didn't work. And then there's some stuff like, I'll be, I'll be honest that I still use for probably like 20 years ago before I even coached, but I was, you know, I, this was back before,
Speaker: Back when I was like in high school, like YouTube had just kind of started, but there wasn't, YouTube, I try and tell people, YouTube wasn't what it like used to be. Like you couldn't find any training. Like there wasn't like, it was very hard to find information. So I'd i'd go to the bookstore at the mall and like I couldn't afford to buy the books. So I'd just like sit and like kind of read just random training books, trying to just gain knowledge. And I would go try stuff out and it'd be like, wow.
Speaker: I'm getting faster, I'm getting more agile, or this is changing or wow, this isn't working, but it's just this constant trial error myself. And trying figure that stuff out. Like one of my probably one of more like proud moments I've had, I guess, in my life. I was running this, I was running six to play baseball in college. So and that would have been the fall or it was like February, i ran a seven to those my junior year high school.
Speaker: Fast forward, I'll just kind of condense the story. But you know, i was like trying all this different stuff. and There's this one book, but Gene Coleman, he was the Houston Astros strength coach, like long time ago.
Speaker: But he talked about like when you're sprinting, like a lot of people, their heads will be moving all over the place. so like try and find something like straight you and keep your eyes focused on that. So where I would always run my search as the baseball field where I grew up and there was, I could run anywhere, but I would always run in front of this telephone pole so that like when I would open up on like say 30, 40, 50 yards, my eyes would come up and I would just fixate right on the right on the telephone pole. So my eyes would be set up. And so anyway, this would have been like September, or October. i was at a showcase and I ran, i think it was like a six or six, eight, six, six, eight, four.
Speaker: Maybe it was a 688, 686. I think it was that. But anyway, I got done. got done with one reps one of the college coaches. I ran. was good. Probably one of the better ones, I think. And one of the college coaches called me over. like, hey, come over here. And I just come over. And he was talking to one of the players, like their college kids. He's like, you see how he runs? Like, you see how his head, his arms, everything is like that. He was like, the coach he's like, who told run like that? And I was like,
Speaker: read about it in a book. And the guy looked at me like I was an idiot. Like you read about it in a book? And I was like, yeah, mean, I don't see There was nobody else around to come and help me teach me, do anything. I had to go figure this. If i wanted to get better, i had to figure it out on my own.
Speaker: And that was my whole, actually like, do I want to complain about it? I don't have a coach or I don't have like whatever. So I think stuff like that, that's what I take the most, because it was almost like a self- realization and validation of like, wow, everything I've been doing is working. Yeah. Somebody, he doesn't know idea who I am, but my sprint technique is obviously good. There was no cell phones. You couldn't even video yourself. i have no idea what I look like sprinting wise. Um, but again, that goes back to, i just wanted, I just just to be honest, I wanted it.
Speaker: So I'm to figure out how to get myself better and ah go on YouTube. I'll waste time, I'll waste hours, I'll waste time. Um, and that's the, with that coming back to your chat GPT AI, like, you take the easy, if i would've taken the easy road out, I probably wouldn't, I guess maybe the passion or just the, some of the ways that i talk or I go about my stuff is built on, it was hard. had to suffer through. I had to like go do a lot of stuff I didn't want to do. So now when I talk about certain stuff, it's like, yeah,
Speaker: it's ingrained in my DNA to a certain degree is who I am as a person. You mean? And if you want the easy path out, like you might get ahead of someone, you know, a year, two years from now, but we're to be at 20 years from now. And so like when you're playing the long game, that's what it coming back to it. i think that's what training's about. i think that's what skill development's about. It's like, well, yeah, five, 10 years from now. And if you just want the easy, quick, short path, you're probably not going to around in five years. And that's just, I think just the reality on stuff.
Speaker: yeah and when i get the opportunity to speak to young coaches my big takeaway want them to understand is that programming is not coaching so we can all follow the same program but how are we communicating it to our athletes because coaching how many different ways can we say the same thing that resonates with this person this person that person so aiming to help them understand yes let's do the hard work to understand programming but then now we got to apply and that's a whole different ballgame. So it's not only who it's also, what are they training for? Yeah. Can I connect my words to their specific goal? Cause we're talking about squats, set up an execution. If my sport is squatting, set up an execution is different. If our sport is lacrosse for sports, volleyball.
Speaker: So slight variances on how we're communicating it and in our setup for sure. um yeah well in in line with that career goals did you ever see yourself here and then what's what's ahead what are you aiming for next
Speaker: uh like you're talking about when i was like a kid or like i mean think about 10 years ago joey yeah to now what's 10 years in what year are we in 2026 what's what's 2016 joey doing what is 2036 joey doing what is twenty thirty six joey doing So I'll take a step back. cause I think actually like a kid, like one of kids, he said, like, you this is what you probably always want to do your whole life or like some dream, like job or whatever. like but I'm going to be honest. I wanted some like kid that i trained.
Speaker: Like I said, that in a conversation to me about whatever, like, oh, this is the best year. Like whatever. like no I'm going to be honest. I want to be a professional athlete, probably like most people. So I wasn't anywhere close to being good enough for that. So this was at my, if you would ask when I was your age, want to be a professional athlete, probably like a lot of people.
Speaker: think it wasn't good enough. So like, I really liked the training and the other stuff. And I kind of, like got mentioned some of those stories, so it kind of just obviously plowed really well into that. But I think that's one of the things, like when you look at like life, like I said, if we draw and I've told other people this too, um you know, when we drop our life, if it was perfect, we would never go through the bad things in life, never go through like the challenges or the struggles, but those are the things that make us who we are and make us, give us some of the opportunities, maybe 10, 15, 20, 30 years from now that we never would have imagined. Like I had an NFL guy that had a,
Speaker: You know, I had like a knee injury a couple of years ago and I told him like he'd always been the best player, thought like just unbelievable. and I told him, like you know what, like I kind of set back some stuff in your career, but that could be the thing that like caused you to like push harder, work harder, sacrifice more, struggle more. So in the short term,
Speaker: you know, a year, whatever negative, but 10 years, that could be the thing that man, now you're all pro, all pro, all pro. And it's like, if you look at your career, when you're 40 years old, that one injury could have been the driver that completely changed your life. So I think our perspective on that is very important. So like with that, i think there's a lot of things in life and but there's probably 99 of the things i want in life i've never accomplished or i didn't i failed or whatever um but they're kind of gotten me to the point where i am here if that makes sense um so 10 years ago coming back to your question uh 10 years ago i was working in college and i think i just wanted to try and climb the i guess the college ranks you know mean just kind of keep going to it get a better job better school more money and stuff like that um and so i think that's where
Speaker: even like 10 years ago, like probably where I'm at right now, and I never would have guessed that. And actually that was, it's actually interesting you brought that up because i think it was like a day or two ago. i was kind of thinking about that when I was driving into work. It was like all the good things that have in my life right now are because of some failure or something that didn't go right previously. You know mean? Um, so looking ahead, career goals wise, um, you know i think one of the things right now, probably the last couple of years that I've had a realization on some changes, I think obviously as you go through life is, um,
Speaker: being just hungry and motivated, but also just being kind of, in a sense, happy with life, if that makes sense. So sometimes that means obviously, you know, you make more money, you get more business, it's gonna make you happy. But then i think also there's times where you can kind of keep chasing that. And it's like, am I really happy and satisfied, fulfilled with my life? I think one of the the things that's satisfying and fulfilling for me in life is is kind of the stuff I've talked about, like, you know, being around just driven, motivated individuals that want to get better. And like, you know, I think we're all a product of the environment to a certain degree that we come up with, the people we surround ourselves with, the voices and stuff like that. When you're around people that just, if you want to play division one lacrosse, or you want to be a professional athlete, or you're a professional athlete, you want to be
Speaker: the best or whatever, or you're a kid and it's like you got cut and now you just want to make your high school team like, but you have that draw. You want this. I think that possibly that for me, that positive, that positive energy, I guess it just it makes life. It makes everything just rewarding, feel good and stuff like that. And you could probably relate to like when you're around people that are Not like that. It's just like, man, it's kind of draining. I'll enjoy this, like whatever. So I think that's one of the things that just trying to keep that perspective on life is even maybe new opportunities and other stuff come about in life. I'm just trying to keep that centered.
Speaker: You know what mean? And just trying to remember that. But ah just keep, like I said, keep trying to, I guess, business-wise, career-wise, just kind of keep expanding, keep building. If I can keep, um you know, just enjoying, I guess, every day of life, but having that mindset of just being able to drive, suffer, struggle, um you know, sacrifice, do that stuff, work with individuals that are just motivated, driven and kind of keep building on that. That's kind of yeah where I see myself um to be, you know, I'll just be completely honest. I don't necessarily maybe it's a negative, probably negative in certain, certain aspects for sure.
Speaker: but maybe a positive and one or two but like I don't necessarily know that I have a direct like North Star of where i want my life to go. know, I mean, some people like, I want to be this at 45 or I want to have the CEO of a billion dollar or whatever. don't necessarily know that I have that but I said just trying to go through life and just be happy but then also being able to be myself be able to kind of I guess preach the message that I want to preach.
Speaker: And then just kind of go about it. And that's kind of, I guess, career-wise. And then having the the one thing I do like is just a degree of having the freedom to be able to kind of do some of the stuff. You know, if I want to work, if I want to work 12 hours on a day, I work 12 hours on a If I want to, like right now, the summer, and most of the time, we're filming this on a Saturday, pretty much work.
Speaker: weekends, year round. But like I train people on Saturdays most of the time. But like the summers, because of my schedule, like Monday through Friday gets really busy, especially with all, it just gets really busy. Is that like in the weekends, like I normally don't do any training for anyone on Saturdays. And I will have to do like online. There's a good amount of work that has to be done on Saturdays and Sundays, but like I don't have to drive. i can I can have extra time to sit down on Saturday and drink my coffee and just relax. So that's one of the things that like being able to to have that freedom to like, okay, you know what? I don't.
Speaker: I feel like I have to train six hours on a Saturday. You know what I mean? that's one the smallest enjoyments of life. And that's kind of one of the things I want to be able to do career-wise.
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Speaker: Now, back to the show. Ready, ready, and break. yeah i love it and i mean it's it's aiming to create your own environment that connects with your values and allow you allows you to to to be you and i think that's the the important message to young coaches you got to figure out who you want to be and then find an an environment that's going to help that that thrive because a lot of us in the early stages of coaching you play the logo game i want to go to this school i want to chase this oh i'm going to go talk to that person because i read their book um
Speaker: But does that person want to see you succeed? Because we probably met great coaches that have written great books and had influences on our career from a programming perspective. And then they're great people.
Speaker: And you're like, awesome. yeah That's why I love the podcast. I like to network with all these guys. So now I've also met people that were stonewall and not interested in in watching me succeed. Yeah. Okay. So what the the value I've taken away where I appreciate the the environment point is is value first. And that's almost where we started this conversation and how you connected with Oak Fit.
Speaker: Y'all were connected on values. So a lot of the conversations that I have with coaches that I meet, I try to to dig in and get to the values first to see if I want to spend my time with this person. This time is a limited resource.
Speaker: So do I want to connect with this person or, okay, nice to meet you Best of luck. yeah See you out there. So yeah, yeah, man, i appreciate, um, well, the opportunity to dig a little deeper and then your point of perspective, dude I don't know where 10 years going to take me, but I know I'm going to be in a great place and a confident person. Yeah. I think to I was to that point that you just said, I think that's one of the things that like, um, I think we all struggle with, you know different start aspects of our personality and stuff like that.
Speaker: And I know kind of the cliche of about you know, bet on yourself and stuff like that is kind of cliche or whatever. um But I think that's one of the things that like, i know, like, even for myself, like, you know, that confidence of like, I've i've tried to do a better job of like, I think there's like a give and take of like, when you just try and grind and scratch and claw, and like, you're kind of fighting for something of like,
Speaker: i gotta keep just i gotta keep working i gotta keep pushing you know mean to get there is that once you kind of start to get to like certain kind of like levels it can become easier to pull off of it for some people or for some other people it's like no i gotta keep going because like i've told people this like it could all be gone tomorrow there's no like it's not like you're on five-year contract where you know like the next like say like the private sector where i know exactly what i'm getting next month and then a month after that and a month after that It could all be gone tomorrow.
Speaker: And so that's one of the things that i struggle I've struggled with to a certain degree of like, like said, I probably worked a lot more hours and done a lot more stuff than I maybe needed to or whatever, but it's been kind because of that mindset.
Speaker: But then also now I've tried to to a certain degree without getting complacent or whatever, having that confidence of like, kind of like you mentioned earlier, like just when you've been doing this for a while whatever, like, you know what, I think I can be more confident in myself of like, even when stuff goes wrong or bad.
Speaker: then I'm going to find a way to persevere to some degree and get back. You know, don't know if that kind of makes sense at all, but like, that's one of the struggles that I have. You mean? Trying to balance that and not, once you start getting too confident in your abilities, that's when you start missing blind spots and stuff like that. So trying to battle that like scratch, claw, grind, but then also having that confidence to like trust yourself or trust your ability to, I guess, persevere or endure. mean? I don't necessarily know there's a right answer to that. And think we got to go through life and we got to just, know what I mean? Everyone's,
Speaker: gonna be different in that, but i know that's one of the the struggles that I have personally that yeah I try to work through. Time out. Text here at Train Heroic headquarters meeting with the team to talk about the coaching experience that I'm able to provide for my athletes. So if you're a coach and want to put your program out there on an app that athletes actually enjoy using, Train Heroics for you. I've been using it since 2014. delivering literally over tens of thousands of workouts to athletes.
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Speaker: And it's the the awareness piece of good environment, a friend, a colleague. a buddy who's aligned with the values that wants to see you succeed. They'll ask you, hey, what's up? What's going on with this 1? Or hey did you see? Did you mean to say that that way? Yeah, something anyway, where they,
Speaker: they They create or help us hold the mirror up on ourselves. That's a good environment versus somebody that wants to or doesn't care about you or wants to see you fail. They're going to let you keep going down that yeah that ah that that pathway.
Speaker: um Cool, man. I i feel that's that's an appropriate way to to wrap this up. Again, ah Follow this man, find out what he's doing, what he's putting out there. it's It's some of the best in the business and in terms of whether you're leading individuals or leading groups.
Speaker: Which leading groups is 1 of the most challenging things, especially at that high school level where some kids are all the way bought in. Some kids are going through the motions, but we still have. Our our responsibility to take them where they can't take themselves.
Speaker: So, yeah, mean, I continue to learn from you and enjoy what you're putting out. And like I mentioned, start to start the show, real excited that you're just in a room with lacrosse to get your brain thinking about it because the sport will start to truly take off once once performance is embedded like it is with football.
Speaker: Yeah. So actually, two by no, that a perfect wrap. Don't mess it up. Apologies on that. But um like to that point, because again, I'm not big in the lacrosse world, but like, do you know the Kavanaugh brothers? I'm aware of them. I don't know them personally. Okay. Well, I coach them online. So like, because they had reached out. I can't remember. get them mixed up. What's the...
Speaker: Chris, there's Chris and Pat i work both them. Right. Chris was the one that reached out he was basically because I think they're they're in California. Is it indoor that's going on right now or like box? Well, it box indoor just wrapped up. Okay, that's what they were. They were there. i apologize. But anyway, so i work with them online, but they've reached out about like kind of basically like, hey, we want to like level up.
Speaker: We want to take our like performance training to another kind of level. So a lot of them, I mean, honestly, the methodology and stuff that, you know, I want more, but I've been working in probably like four or five months now, I want to say, um, remotely through my online platform.
Speaker: Um, but again, so like they're ones i towards the top end of the lacrosse world, you know, we're really well known, but those are the same individuals that they're trying to find ways to get better, trying to push and while watch them try to push hard. Then it's just trying to like, you know, refine, you know, certain little techniques or like, Hey, this is how we do our plyos. want the plyos of speed work.
Speaker: but maybe do our isometric it's the structure and stuff that they haven't done before it's been new to them but they're trying to find ways to level up and get that and think at the top end you're trying to find out that way to get one or two percent better have a pro tennis player like top 60 in the world he was you know one of the things like he was like yeah like we started working with together about a year ago i've never played tennis before ever in my life so again um never played lacrosse before, but like just trying to find ways for them to get better, more explosive, more powerful. So like with the Kavanaugh's, I think that's, that's where you're seeing that trend of like, you know, the game's changing.
Speaker: we need power explosive. So I'm getting inundated with that. But again, I know if you're probably a young lacrosse athlete, coach or whatever, that's what, the top top of the field is doing and trying to level up, you know, with that. So hopefully maybe we can get out here.
Speaker: no yeah. But caners call me camp or something. I'm going to sit down with them. But then other thing i was going to bring up because you didn't even mention because you talked about like at the Texas thing, but i think this is one. Hopefully this is valuable for coaches and kind of look in that long term stuff because I don't know if you remember, but I was at the the bret but Bartholomew. um the thing that you guys had in Austin. Oh, man. Yes. 2022. The apprenticeship. The apprenticeship. Yeah. so I was there. So I think that was the first time we got connected. Okay. Wow. And the reason why I bring that up, it's interesting because especially I think in this world of like with ChachiGPT and kind of ease and stuff like that. um
Speaker: And this is where I try and approach stuff like long-term and your experiences, with stuff like this can hopefully like give you better insight on what, like when you say what's valuable or whatever, of getting your environment and the people you're in the room with can have a drastic impact on your life. Maybe if it doesn't look like it at the exact time, but like at that conference, that was like four years ago. So, yeah Again, as everyone probably knows, like when you go to continuing, I just have like that. It costs money. it's not cheap. You know, like definitely they're like like looking for the money I spent to go to that travel course, whatever it's like I could go on vacation or done something else. But like you use that money to try and make yourself better, level up, and improve in whatever your life, business, coaching, whatever it is. But at that one,
Speaker: Brett, it was like probably a couple months later, he was like friends with somebody. They were doing but beta testing on this like online software, coaching software they were using. Brett's like, I don't really do this anymore, but I gave him your name because, you know, like, I think you do a good job, like whatever. So fast forward, um I've never done any online coaching. And then we talked beta testing. I'll turn their software. i think so. I took my first, I started working with people online like this January of 2023. All right. And so it's been over three years now, but that has become,
Speaker: a very big part of my business. It's like a very, very big part of my business. I've been working with individuals like with the Kavanaugh's and that same system. I've worked with hundreds and hundreds, maybe a thousand at this point on that same software system.
Speaker: Business wise, financial wise, it is probably been the best investment I've ever made. And it wouldn't have happened if I wouldn't have been in a room with like individuals that know people are connected. can like point put you in a good spot, if that makes sense. So like, irregardless, and it was a great course, everything was awesome, but like being at that weekend course set me up to be able to do a lot of the things I do right now. So at the time, yeah um you know, you might think like, oh, I'd rather, you know, maybe buy a new car, vacation or whatever it is, but like those investments in yourself, that long-term approach. And that's one of the things I think that's important too, is like when you're looking at like continuing education stuff and other stuff of like, who are you in the room with? You know, because like, if I go into a room and there's like 10 CEOs,
Speaker: All you gotta to do is you have a good connection with one person. That person can probably do some things with your life that you wouldn't have expected or whatever. If you go into a room with 10 people and I don't know I'm going to say, but not cause I don't want to be disrespectful. But if nobody really has any connections or can do anything, you can have an awesome experience. But there might not be any opportunities that come from that. So when you're looking at like opportunities in life, I think that's one of the most important things to kind of like look at. You know, a lot of the professional athletes that train are because the individual trained really likes me, has a really good experience, likes the training, and they tell their buddy, and now this buddy's coming in. And so that's a lot, I think, how stuff kind of works and out in the world. That's just one thing I think as a coach, you know when you're looking at that stuff, nobody wants to spend money at continuing education. it's expensive. There's other stuff you'd like to do. But some of those investments are the things that can drive you, push you and allow you to have other opportunities. You know, might not be next year, might not be could be five years from now. But I think those that's one of the things I just want to bring up so You probably don't even remember. Well, man, that was a do now. Yeah. So anyways, that was we had a lot of people. Yeah, it was good. Like said, an awesome weekend. I learned a lot. It was a really good, but again, kind of coming full circle. I think that's one of the things like when I talk about like, ah you know, when you ask someone has a question, you're like, well, what's important? Like that, my experience with that and the,
Speaker: return on investment on that. When I tell people, hopefully that little two, three minutes spiel I just gave, which there's no not getting monetary value or anything from that. But, um but that's, that was so valuable to me that I think that's one of the things that, you know, looking at like, Oh, you know what?
Speaker: um Maybe I'm going sacrifice and not go out to eat for the next five, six months, I'm gonna save that money and I'm going to use that money because I want to go take that course. And so I think that's where a lot of times people want like, I want to take this, but i can't afford it right now.
Speaker: Save up for six months and then go take that course. It's probably going to mean more. You're going to more value into it It's just going to be whatever. But those are the little sacrifices that most people don't want to i don't want to give up that, that weekend meal, or i don't want to go out with my friends, you know, when I'm 25, 26 years old, but you know, saving up that money and doing that stuff can be valuable. so i just want to pass it along. Cause that was a really good valuable thing that happened in my life. Yeah. So shout out Brett or to coaching.com.
Speaker: He's the man you got a client here. So we do got to wrap this up. Dude. appreciate you making time on a Saturday, one of your off days in the summer, but yeah, i know this will not be the last conversation we have. And so welcome to lacrosse barn, dude, the sports. Glad to have you. Awesome. gar the have I appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah, we'll wrap up. Thanks, dude.
