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🎙️ Tackles & Tinnies – Magic Round Warm-Up Minisode E12.
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Physio Corner, Fogarty to Manly, and Footy Chaos Brewing 🧠🔥
Ryan, Gary, and new signing to the panel, Randall the Die-Hard Eagle, are on deck for a Magic Round mini drop.
🩺 In Physio Corner, we break down the key injury updates heading into the weekend — who’s out, who’s underdone, and who’s a sneaky late in.
🌏 In News Around the Ground, the lads dig into the Jamal Fogarty signing — with Randall calling it “the DCE torch pass” and what it means for Manly’s next phase.
🎧 Whether you're flying up to Brissie or tuning in from the couch, this one's for the die-hards.
Shorter POD due to some technical difficulties, sorry team.
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Transcript
Introduction and Fantasy Files Completion
00:00:04
Ryan Firehock
Alrighty, Tackles and Tinnies listeners, welcome back. Episode 12 of the Normal Podcast. Two nights ago, we finished off the Fantasy Files with Chris and Jake.
00:00:15
Ryan Firehock
If you haven't seen that, that's purely Supercoach related. Some great little points there, especially heading to Magic Round slash the Buy Round slash the Origin Period. So if you're Supercoacher out there,
00:00:25
Ryan Firehock
Check out the fantasy files on our all our platforms. You know what to do.
Special Guest: Josh Randall
00:00:29
Ryan Firehock
But more importantly, we've got a special guest today, Mr. Josh Randall. How are we?
00:00:34
Joshua
Hello, hello, how you going?
00:00:36
Ryan Firehock
Good, Russ. And obviously, we've got the Gaz man here as well. what's going on, mate?
00:00:41
Gary Yeh
Hey, same old, same old, still doing physio. haven't got a part yet.
00:00:47
Ryan Firehock
We're looking at hamstring corner, mate, obviously.
00:00:49
Gary Yeh
Yeah.
00:00:50
Ryan Firehock
Randall, brother man, give the listeners a bit of a rundown. Tell us about yourself.
00:00:58
Joshua
Well, clearly a Manly Warringah Seagulls fan. Grew up there. Born and on all the beaches and we used to go there with my dad and watch games on the hill. So got a lot of blood for that club and now live up in Queensland and also a Titans member. They're my second team along with the Ryan and Gary here. So, you know, it's, yeah, I'm blessed to have have a team that's,
00:01:26
Joshua
you know, won premierships and it's always good to get behind Manly when the Titans aren't doing well, which is all the time, unfortunately. So I'm hoping to change it.
00:01:35
Ryan Firehock
access
00:01:36
Joshua
I just want one year where we can both make the finals and, you know, just just something. So yeah, looking forward to this podcast.
00:01:41
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:01:43
Joshua
it's been been a long time. I've avoided it.
00:01:47
Ryan Firehock
yeah Yeah, the slanders, I think, obviously worked. the Josh Randall slanders are always a common occurrence on tackles and titties. But Randall, want to ask you quick question,
Favorite Players Discussion
00:01:56
Ryan Firehock
mate.
00:01:56
Joshua
wouldn't know, I don't listen.
00:01:57
Ryan Firehock
Favorite player for Manly? ah Favorite player for Manly and favorite player for the Titans?
00:02:04
Joshua
Steve Menzies.
00:02:05
Ryan Firehock
Currently. Okay.
00:02:07
Joshua
Currently.
00:02:07
Ryan Firehock
Yeah. Old one. Okay. Give me new one.
00:02:08
Joshua
Okay, I'll go, yeah, old is Beaver.
00:02:09
Ryan Firehock
Give me a current one.
00:02:11
Joshua
No no explanation there, just so worked his ass off and, you know, one of the, you know, highest tri-scorers of all time. Current.
00:02:22
Joshua
Yeah, it's really hard, but I'm going to go with the obvious answer here and say Tom. Just on his day, no one can beat him. There's not a player on the planet when he's on that can run with him.
00:02:31
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:02:34
Joshua
So it's just that consistency and injuries, obviously, and everything. So Tom and, yeah, Beaver for the old dogs.
00:02:39
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:02:40
Joshua
Titans, old. man.
00:02:43
Ryan Firehock
What about the Titans, mate? Old and new.
00:02:46
Joshua
titans old I really liked Matt Rogers.
00:02:50
Ryan Firehock
Tough one.
00:02:51
Joshua
Really liked Matt Rogers. He just seemed like a great bloke and great player. Obviously came from the Wallabies. Current, Tino, probably Tino. He wears his heart on his sleeve.
00:03:01
Joshua
like the He has a lot of aura when he's we're ah ah we're at the Titans game and he's stalking the sidelines trying to get back on. There's just aura around him.
00:03:09
Ryan Firehock
yeah Yeah, I think he's a lot of people's favourite player and you can definitely sense that either on the ground or on the TV.
00:03:11
Joshua
Yeah, probably Tino, I'd say.
00:03:20
Ryan Firehock
And but we're so close, Josh, next to the Titans bench and we can definitely feel that 100%. Like he's got that presence and when he gets taken off, obviously he's blown, but he's pretty much looking at the box, and i'm looking at Desi saying, hey, mate, get me back out there.
00:03:33
Ryan Firehock
Hence why he's doing like three to four subs a game.
00:03:34
Joshua
Well, it' it's quite interesting.
00:03:35
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:03:37
Joshua
like when he gets When he's about to come back on and stands up and starts walking down the sideline, all the all the fans on our side just are watching him. like It's kind of weird. like I've never really experienced that.
00:03:47
Joshua
It's kind of kind of different to see. So everyone's just like everyone just starts yelling as well. So there's, yeah, everyone just, don't it's like a ah spiritual lift when he goes back on.
What Ifs in Rugby League
00:03:59
Ryan Firehock
100%, couldn't agree more. i bre I think you just gave me a good segment idea for maybe next week post magic round. The biggest what if questions of all time.
00:04:11
Ryan Firehock
If someone didn't have any injuries or didn't have any off-field issues, who would be the greatest player of all time?
00:04:16
Joshua
Daily Cherry Evans of the Titans. That's the number one.
00:04:21
Joshua
That's a big what if. in Injuries.
00:04:23
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, that's a big word.
00:04:24
Joshua
Yeah, that's a good segment. All right. we'll get we'll get We'll get that going as well.
00:04:27
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:04:27
Joshua
That's that's a good one to to bring up.
00:04:30
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, fans, I'm going to post it next week and I want to hear you guys. want to hear... Regardless of injuries, regardless of off-field dramas, if everything went perfect in a perfect world, who do you think would have the best rugby league career of all time?
00:04:44
Ryan Firehock
We're going to do that next week. Have that thought in your head, though. Gaz, brother man, how are you?
00:04:51
Gary Yeh
I'm well, doing well.
Balancing Life and Podcasting
00:04:54
Ryan Firehock
What's news in your world?
00:04:57
Gary Yeh
and Training for a triathlon, hey. It's a taper week, so got it next weekend.
00:05:06
Ryan Firehock
Oh, true.
00:05:06
Ryan Firehock
I can't quit.
00:05:07
Gary Yeh
Feeling, yeah, very quick.
00:05:12
Gary Yeh
not to drown, really. 900 meters swim, so should be right.
00:05:17
Ryan Firehock
Facts. You'll be sweet. but but ah My week, it's been good. School's back in full swing. Every second I have at school to do something else, it's still my podcast.
00:05:27
Ryan Firehock
So, yeah, I'm being a very busy man. I think Magic Round's come at the perfect time for me where I can sort of just let my hair slick back, obviously, because love the slick.
00:05:31
Joshua
you
00:05:37
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, slick back and ready to a couple of tinnies with the boys.
Injury Updates and Recovery Tactics
00:05:42
Ryan Firehock
I'm looking forward to that, obviously. Let's go straight into physio corner, Gaz.
00:05:47
Ryan Firehock
What's news for round nine or magic round or better known as adult schoolies?
00:05:52
Gary Yeh
Yeah, adult school is how good. Yeah, it's been a rough week i on the injury front, ah ah especially for the Charks. So Hiradi, he's out for about a month with a knee strain.
00:06:03
Gary Yeh
And then you've got Kay Dikes. He's done for the season after rupturing a patella tendon, which is a tough, tough one. Yeah. They're missing Wilton and Rudolph for a few weeks, but Iroh and Hamlin Ueli are set to return for a magic round, so that'll be a good one for the Sharpies.
00:06:25
Ryan Firehock
Good in.
00:06:27
Gary Yeh
But at the Dolphins, we've got Daniel Saifidi, one of the Saifidi brothers. He's going to miss at least a game with a shoulder injury, but they get back Marshall King, which is huge.
00:06:40
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:06:40
Gary Yeh
Kafusi and then Kurt back this week as well.
00:06:45
Gary Yeh
Manly, Joshy Manly, Jason Staham.
00:06:47
Ryan Firehock
Guys, I'll quickly end up here, mate. Donahue and Kafusi officially ruled out, saw that tonight on Channel 9.
00:06:55
Gary Yeh
yeah, okay, good word.
00:06:57
Ryan Firehock
Is
00:06:58
Gary Yeh
Yeah, this one hasn't been updated for like a day. But setbacks for Manly, Jason Saab and Josh Allaway, they both ruled out, light scratching.
00:07:10
Gary Yeh
And then Gordon Chan failed a head knock. Yeah, Kum Tong, it's interesting though, but yeah.
00:07:22
Joshua
Love to come.
00:07:26
Joshua
No, he's a good little player. He's absolutely tiny, but he he runs hard. he's yeahs
00:07:27
Gary Yeh
had a headlock.
00:07:30
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:07:31
Joshua
It's very interesting at the moment because obviously Lachlan Croker was the number one hooker and then Jake Simpkin and ja Gordon and Jaz Devunga.
00:07:36
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:07:41
Joshua
I don't know what happens. and yeah it's It's bit all over the place. And I don't know what's happening with Lachlan. He's been out. The club hasn't really said a lot. He's been he's had a pretty serious injury, so hope to see him back. But yeah.
00:07:41
Ryan Firehock
up Yeah.
00:07:53
Joshua
Losses everywhere, you know. This time of year starts setting in. Origin period coming up.
00:07:56
Ryan Firehock
yeah Yep. Keep going, Gazzy.
00:08:01
Gary Yeh
Broncos had a big win, but with adam Adam Reynolds and his shoulder, so scoring a try. But he's been named to play this week, so that's good.
00:08:11
Ryan Firehock
Good news.
00:08:11
Gary Yeh
Magic round. Recy Walsh, knee injury, puts his origin one hopes and doubt. So we'll look out for Recy Walsh, see what's going on in the next couple weeks.
00:08:26
Gary Yeh
To the south, they're feeling the pinch with Cody Walker. His calf injury is going to be out for up to five weeks, reportedly. And then they've still got Jamie Humphreys and Munro sidelined.
00:08:40
Gary Yeh
And finally for the storm, Harry Grant, he should be back around 10.
00:08:43
Joshua
Thank you.
00:08:45
Gary Yeh
Jack Howarth, he's out for about six weeks or up to six weeks with that dislocated shoulder. And that's pretty much it for Physio Corner this week.
00:08:57
Ryan Firehock
Gaz, please correct me if I'm wrong or Randall, you might have heard as well. No hamstrings this week. Is that true?
00:09:06
Gary Yeh
Oh, I room someone had a hamstring injury. Someone I need to dig.
00:09:10
Ryan Firehock
oh
00:09:12
Gary Yeh
I'm going to have a look now, but see yeah, there was an injury.
00:09:15
Joshua
I think it was a strain though.
00:09:15
Ryan Firehock
We're surely... Yeah.
00:09:18
Gary Yeh
Yeah.
00:09:19
Ryan Firehock
Tightness. Hamstring tightness. The old hamstring tightness.
00:09:23
Gary Yeh
me
00:09:24
Ryan Firehock
What's interesting, Gaz, when I'm putting you on the spot as well, love to test your knowledge, but the patella tendon injury for Cade Dykes, he was the one putting pressure on Will Kennedy at the Sharks for the fullback position in the preseason.
00:09:27
Gary Yeh
yeah
00:09:39
Ryan Firehock
What's his road to recovery like? For me personally, all I get is bloody tendon issues. I know how frustrating it can be. haven't had a patella tendon myself.
00:09:46
Gary Yeh
Yeah.
00:09:47
Joshua
Thank you.
00:09:48
Ryan Firehock
What's his recovery going to be like for a professional athlete?
00:09:51
Gary Yeh
Yeah. but Rupturing patella tendon. Now that's a very, that's a very niche one. I've never come across a patella tendon rupture. Um, you know, usually it's like quadricep rupture, but patella tendons like below the quadriceps. So it's like the next one down, it's like underneath your, uh,
00:10:11
Gary Yeh
what you call patella, pretty much that knee bone. They, in terms of prognosis, it's quite a while, hey, like the tendon, yeah he's gonna need surgery. So he's looking at like months of rehab before he returns, if not like a season ending injury.
00:10:31
Ryan Firehock
Would that be like six months, you reckon, plus?
00:10:35
Gary Yeh
Yeah, yeah, at least six months. I'd say like yeah at four to six months, depending on how he progresses and you know with his range post-surgery and then weight-bearing, ability to walk and yeah, things like that.
00:10:51
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, hectic. And the dislocated shoulder gave
Magic Round Challenges
00:10:55
Ryan Firehock
me some PTSD when I was listening to that, Gaz, because yeah you know all too well about that.
00:11:00
Gary Yeh
Way too well, yeah.
00:11:01
Ryan Firehock
yeah What's his recovery going to be like? I understand for you it's been frustrating, obviously, in terms of confidence, but that's a not even a contact sport.
00:11:10
Gary Yeh
yeah
00:11:11
Ryan Firehock
How is he going to go back from a dislocated shoulder, Jack Howarth?
00:11:15
Gary Yeh
Yeah, well, unlike myself, Howarth is very, very... yeah He's good. He's good. He'll be all right. In terms of recovery, it's
00:11:28
Joshua
Thank
00:11:29
Gary Yeh
It's about like three to six months. So like his shoulder range is going to be pretty like limited at the moment. He's going to likely be in a sling because he's, you know, just done it. But he's going to be progressing his range oftentimes in with physiotherapy and with a lot this rehab post-surgery.
00:11:46
Gary Yeh
Is he getting surgery?
00:11:48
Ryan Firehock
I believe so.
00:11:49
Gary Yeh
Or he...
00:11:50
Ryan Firehock
I don't want to quote me on that though.
00:11:52
Gary Yeh
Yeah, because with, who was it? Cleary, might have been Cleary or Gouai.
00:11:54
Ryan Firehock
actually think it is.
00:11:57
Gary Yeh
They decided to do surgery at the end of the the season. So like you can get through it conservatively for like two to three months and then return. But then it's like, well, do you risk get that re-injury? Because the likelihood of re-injuring, if not well rehabbed, is pretty high or higher.
00:12:16
Gary Yeh
not going to say pretty high, but higher.
00:12:18
Ryan Firehock
So would that just be a shoulder reconstruction? Is that right? Yeah.
00:12:23
Gary Yeh
Yep.
00:12:25
Ryan Firehock
Okay. Interesting. Well, for Joshy, since he's here, manly boys, Tom Trubojevic pulled up all right last week, but we've obviously talked about hamstring issues and the potential restraining or tearing after two weeks.
00:12:38
Joshua
Okay.
00:12:41
Ryan Firehock
Yeah. This essentially his second week back. Obviously, he had the yeah knee or the MCL sprain. How's Turbo looking, Gaz, in your eyes? He's got the bye this week. Is that an ideal situation for Manly Seagulls with tom Tommy Turbo?
00:12:57
Gary Yeh
Oh, definitely. Yeah, buy a round, so at least another week. rest like There's no point in rushing his return. I mean, for some Manly fans, don't know what you think, Joshy, but you know you'd rather rest him um rather rather than play him and then re-injury type of thing.
00:13:16
Gary Yeh
But yeah, it'd be good for his rehab from a medical perspective.
00:13:16
Ryan Firehock
so from like So your point of view, Gaz, is because i was a bit baffled when he was named last week because obviously they got the bye. essentially he could have got another two weeks off.
00:13:29
Ryan Firehock
Why do you think Manly put Tommy back on the field a week early than had a week off? was more just sort of a ah ah testing to see how it'd feel. And then if he felt a bit sore, he obviously got that week rest. What are your thoughts on that from a Manly point of view?
00:13:42
Gary Yeh
Yeah, most likely. So then he's, you're thinking then he's like a medical team and the physio and the the doctors think that they're he's pretty good. Like they're they're likely very confident in his ability to play.
00:13:51
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:13:56
Gary Yeh
So, yeah, it could be it could be most likely sweet for the rest of the season.
00:14:00
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:14:01
Gary Yeh
it's It's really hard to tell.
00:14:01
Ryan Firehock
Great news.
00:14:04
Joshua
Gary, don't don't say things like you don't say things like that around here.
00:14:05
Ryan Firehock
Josh is getting mad over there. He's getting mad for sure.
00:14:11
Gary Yeh
I know, he's your boy.
00:14:11
Joshua
You don't say that.
00:14:12
Gary Yeh
don't know, Josh, he's your boy.
00:14:15
Ryan Firehock
What are your thoughts, Josh?
00:14:16
Joshua
I'm going to have time.
00:14:16
Ryan Firehock
Because obviously you probably watch the games more closely than I would in regards to the Manly Seagulls. What did you see with Tommy in regards to the eye test on his return? Was he tentative?
00:14:26
Joshua
Yeah, I mean, he's one of those guys, yeah he always looks like he's in pain.
00:14:27
Ryan Firehock
Was he... Hmm.
00:14:31
Joshua
Like, he always has, like, a grimace on his face and he's, like, hoveling around. You don't actually know if that's just him, like, I don't know, just getting a bit into the game or a bit, oh, that wasn't a good play. I don't know But he's also got, like, the knee brace on, his knee strapped up and...
00:14:47
Joshua
you never know like there'll there'll be a moment when he starts a little hobble but then he's completely fine for the rest of the game so yeah like you i also was like oh why wouldn't they just rest him but now the more i think about but obviously i'm no physio but like with a with a bye week it seems like if you just you know just wear him in just a little bit and have such a longer time to recover over this week so it it seemed like it was deliberate
00:15:04
Gary Yeh
Hey.
00:15:18
Joshua
for that reason.
00:15:18
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, there's definitely optimal timing with the buy.
00:15:18
Joshua
Yeah. Okay.
00:15:23
Ryan Firehock
Gaz, any further notes from
00:15:27
Gary Yeh
No, that's it. I just think notoriously with Magic Round, I can't really remember from last year, but just because it's such a big weekend, think there's usually a lot of injuries.
00:15:38
Gary Yeh
So, well, I hope not, but yeah, something to kind of follow up.
00:15:43
Ryan Firehock
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Well, all these HIAs and that was quite prevalent this week with the... So for Longo, for example, he's contested his HIA and I believe he'll be playing this week even though he got the cap one, which was interesting.
00:15:53
Joshua
Okay.
00:16:00
Ryan Firehock
may well Maybe we debrief on that next week on regards to the return to play when they actually have the... They contest, the players contest or the clubs contest the
Player Contracts and Market Value
00:16:09
Ryan Firehock
11-day stand down.
00:16:11
Ryan Firehock
But yeah, thanks, Gaz. Well done.
00:16:12
Gary Yeh
Hmm.
00:16:13
Ryan Firehock
So, boys, news around the ground, magic ground, bloody good time of year. i know I'm pumped. Josh, you can't speak for yourself, mate, but I'm counting down the hours. Thursday night at 8.30 But there's and definitely some news and some big news for the Dragons because they've actually axed their halfback Lachlan Ilias. and So Dragons have officially dropped halfback Lachlan Ilias after a horror Anzac Day game.
00:16:39
Ryan Firehock
Broncos say Adam Reynolds will be fine for that game as well, which is good. So South are looking to debut. Lewis Dodd in a similar position at the halfback.
00:16:50
Ryan Firehock
What are our thoughts in regards to the halfbacks at Magic Round? So we've got Ilias getting dropped. We've got Reynolds potentially being fine. We've got Lewis Dodd potentially filling in.
00:17:01
Ryan Firehock
What are our thoughts on the halfback situation currently at Magic Round? Gaz, we'll go to you first, mate.
00:17:12
Gary Yeh
Yeah. Is this for the Dragons but with Lachlan Ilias out?
00:17:16
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, we got dragons getting dropped. We got one potentially not playing and the other one's making a debut.
00:17:21
Gary Yeh
Yeah.
00:17:22
Joshua
Thanks.
00:17:24
Gary Yeh
With the, yeah, with the halves, it's... I think with Adam Reynolds, this is me personally, um following the Broncos, so I'm hoping he stays good and that he is continuing to be fine.
00:17:38
Gary Yeh
I guess from a medical thing, it's like a bit worrying. I mean, like he's just done his shoulder and just depends on what he's done. But if you put him back out there, it's like, will he be all right type of thing?
00:17:50
Gary Yeh
And I think...
00:17:50
Ryan Firehock
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:52
Gary Yeh
The opposition's going to really be testing Adam Reynolds on the on the day and and really giving that shoulder a go. But yeah, Lachlan Elias, I've never really been a big fan of Lachlan Elias, but yeah,
00:18:10
Gary Yeh
yeah we'll see what the other halfback has in store.
00:18:15
Ryan Firehock
And we've got obviously Lewis Dodd.
00:18:16
Joshua
Thank you.
00:18:16
Ryan Firehock
Haven't seen too much besides his international performance. We are an interesting watch and see. Randall, what are your thoughts on the three halfbacks?
00:18:27
Joshua
Well, Adam Reynolds is Adam Reynolds and he's shown he hasn't skipped a beat. Like he can still have those ridiculous games and especially, was it, last week in Supercoach or the week before, 140 or 130 something points.
00:18:42
Joshua
So in terms of the other good boys, I don't actually know too much about them, to be honest.
00:18:43
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:18:47
Joshua
I've obviously like seen a game or two here or there, but I mean, it's big big game to throw uh a debutante in as well like you know 50 000 at suncorp it's different from you know park rugby league so yeah it'll be interesting to see how they go and if if those decisions are correct
00:19:01
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:19:04
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:19:12
Ryan Firehock
Yep. I saw, so King Tongya, think that's how pronounce his name for the dragon who's replaced St. Ilius.
00:19:19
Joshua
the dragons yeah
00:19:20
Ryan Firehock
What I've heard, yeah, what I've heard about this guy, he's, Very dynamic in attack, of like a touch footy sort of vibe in the middle, really dominating through the middle of the ruck.
00:19:31
Ryan Firehock
Not much of a kicking game. So it'll be interesting with Flanagan having to pick that up because essentially that was Ilyas' job.
00:19:36
Joshua
Mmm. Mmm.
00:19:37
Ryan Firehock
but So I don't know how good their long kicking game is. Obviously, Gutho's more of a passer than a kicker. So you're really looking at Flanagan to pick up the slack where Ilyas was primarily doing most of the kicking.
00:19:50
Gary Yeh
All right.
00:19:52
Ryan Firehock
What I saw from last year's international game, Panthers versus, I think it was St. Helms, with Louis Dodd doing that fantastic little finish at the end there.
00:20:02
Ryan Firehock
Good kicker, good playmaker, but the problem is Bennett didn't sign him and that's why he hasn't played. So if Bennett doesn't like him, is that just maybe a clear indicator that he might not be him or might not be ready for the Australian game?
00:20:18
Ryan Firehock
And I say this every week, time will tell, but yeah, the halfbacks this year have just been so inconsistent. So hope Lewis Dodd has a crack because again, they made a huge financial ah play for him as well. six hundred and fifty k which is crazy.
00:20:34
Joshua
Oh, wow.
00:20:34
Ryan Firehock
So next, yeah, big money, big money.
00:20:37
Joshua
Hmm.
00:20:37
Ryan Firehock
So big story, next big story. We've got Selwyn Cobbo set to hit the open market. So Selwyn Cobbo is open to walking post 2025 with 900 price tag incoming.
00:20:47
Gary Yeh
Thank you.
00:20:49
Ryan Firehock
Broncos cap squeezed tight with stag through signings. Reynolds extension talks and Walsh Carrigan locked up. So Staggs, I think, just re-signed for about 700K.
00:21:01
Ryan Firehock
Reynolds is potentially getting anywhere between what I've heard 300K, maybe a boat or some sneaky diamond in there somewhere, tucking the eye old Roosters salary cap Sanbrero situation.
00:21:07
Joshua
Yeah.
00:21:14
Ryan Firehock
But yeah, Reynolds anywhere between, let's say, 300,000 to 750,000. don't know whether they're going to get the cap space, but... Long story short. And yeah, Cobo, been looking fantastic. Obviously one game, but I loved him at fullback last week.
00:21:28
Ryan Firehock
I think the two new teams that are coming through in PNG and Perth, they could throw big, big money and potentially overpay for guy like Cobo or another team can obviously poach him as well.
00:21:35
Gary Yeh
Thank you.
00:21:41
Ryan Firehock
What are your thoughts on Cobo potentially getting 900 plus K on the open market boys? Randall, start with you, mate.
00:21:48
Joshua
I think 900k is quite crazy, to be honest. mean, obviously, yeah, I saw the same game as you did with him at fullback. And yeah, I even brought him in into my super coach team just just just on the wing just to, you know, because he's going to be at fullback and he looked completely different.
00:22:06
Ryan Firehock
Yep. Yep. Correct.
00:22:07
Joshua
So look, it's a bit of a gamble, but I don't mind that. So yeah, he's pretty cheap too. So nine hundred k yeah, I don't, I can't.
00:22:17
Joshua
I mean, surely when, you know, those teams enter the comp, but you're talking, what you say, 2025? Like, that's after this year.
00:22:23
Ryan Firehock
yeah
00:22:26
Joshua
Those teams aren't going to be until 2027. So, you know, either re re-signing or going somewhere else, and like I just can't see that happening.
00:22:29
Ryan Firehock
correct
00:22:35
Ryan Firehock
Especially of a young family and other family members in Brisbane. Gaz, what are your thoughts, mate?
00:22:42
Gary Yeh
Yeah, Kobo is a great player. does seem very high. And he is a dual position as well. Plays wing, fullback as well. so very versatile in that fact.
00:22:58
Gary Yeh
Yeah, i like Kobo. He's a big boy and he's quick. Like, you know, reminds me of like an English type player.
00:23:07
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:23:07
Gary Yeh
But yeah, he's a spark. He's great. great. ah But for 900k, you do have doubts if he's worth that much.
00:23:10
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:23:12
Joshua
Yeah.
00:23:16
Ryan Firehock
Yep. I think realistically, surely if he's going to get 900K, it's going to be to one of the new teams. And I'd be leaning probably towards the PNG team potentially just because he can sort of stay in Queensland because obviously their base will be up in North Queensland.
00:23:24
Joshua
yeah
00:23:34
Ryan Firehock
So it sort of keeps him closer to home. Ponga, oh not Ponga, Cobbo, I'll one up you guys, plays center as well, mate. He's done that at a very high level at Origin, including the Broncos.
00:23:47
Ryan Firehock
So he's got heaps of versatility. I think that's why his price tag is so high. And we also got to think, boys, that 900K in today's game, isn't it's like the equivalent of, because of the new salary cap, it's gone up in price with inflation.
00:24:02
Ryan Firehock
That's like 600,000, 650,000 from a couple of years ago. So really it's not too bad. Very durable.
00:24:09
Joshua
But you're only going to pay that for for a fullback though. You're not going to 900k for a center.
00:24:14
Ryan Firehock
ah Correct.
00:24:16
Joshua
You know, it's got to be a team that's looking for that role.
00:24:16
Ryan Firehock
But I'd be... Yep. And that's why I'm thinking one of those newer teams would probably look to build around him at fullback.
00:24:22
Joshua
Yeah.
00:24:26
Ryan Firehock
And obviously you can flex.
00:24:26
Joshua
Yeah. Yeah. In 2027, which is, yeah, a while away.
00:24:28
Ryan Firehock
but Correct.
00:24:30
Joshua
So it's, yeah, there's still things that have to happen in the meantime.
00:24:31
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:24:33
Ryan Firehock
Yep. Do we think he potentially gets
New Teams and League Changes
00:24:35
Ryan Firehock
a ah ah shorter one-year deal then to re-sign?
00:24:41
Joshua
Well, it's interesting you say that because Touching on a point that we'll talk about later, Jamal Fogarty, think Mel Meninga came out and said that he would have signed a two-year deal that he could go get absolutely paid at the Perth Bears.
00:24:58
Joshua
So he said that's what he would have done.
00:24:58
Ryan Firehock
Hmm.
00:25:00
Joshua
So it's quite interesting. People already sort of taking that taking that stance and thinking there's going to be these players that if they play their cards right, they can be off contract at the ideal time and get paid a lot for it.
00:25:08
Gary Yeh
Now
00:25:10
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:25:13
Ryan Firehock
Yep. And I didn't even intended this to happen, but what a segue. I think that's my best one yet. The Perth Bears expansion team, boys. So they've just been approved. They're gone to Perth.
00:25:24
Ryan Firehock
We're gone to Perth, boys.
00:25:26
Gary Yeh
know
00:25:27
Ryan Firehock
A lot of boys will be in the open market by 2027. And I'm just going to name some of these guys. Ryan Pappenhausen, Cobbo, Farmworth. These are some guys who could be generational type players.
00:25:39
Ryan Firehock
I'm also going to say this to Randall and don't hate me, but guys like Turbo could also be a viable option, but I don't think Turbo would leave. I'm just throwing that name out there.
00:25:48
Joshua
Correct.
00:25:49
Ryan Firehock
Ponga is also another name that could be thrown out there. Bulla is another name that could be thrown out there. Who do you think would be a more attractive team? If you were an established player, would you rather go to PNG or be for the PNG team or would you rather be in Perth? What are thoughts, boys? Gaz.
00:26:11
Gary Yeh
Fuck, that's a tough one. Neither.
00:26:14
Ryan Firehock
Gaz.
00:26:14
Gary Yeh
No.
00:26:15
Joshua
Here on the Gold Coast.
00:26:17
Gary Yeh
Yeah. Join the Titans.
00:26:20
Joshua
Well, I mean, they're probably, Perth's probably even further away than Papua New Guinea.
00:26:20
Gary Yeh
and
00:26:20
Ryan Firehock
Gaz.
00:26:23
Joshua
I mean, like PNG's obviously going to be close to Townsville.
00:26:24
Gary Yeh
Yeah.
00:26:24
Ryan Firehock
That's my logic too.
00:26:27
Joshua
That's about it.
00:26:28
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:26:31
Ryan Firehock
That's going to a lot of community.
00:26:31
Gary Yeh
Personally,
00:26:33
Gary Yeh
It's a theoretical, but yeah, if I was a professional rugby player and personally I'd go Perth just because it's like, don't know, beautiful beaches and stuff like that.
00:26:39
Ryan Firehock
Your path?
00:26:42
Joshua
Yeah.
00:26:42
Gary Yeh
haven't been, but it's nice.
00:26:42
Ryan Firehock
Yep. Yep. Randall, you?
00:26:47
Joshua
Yeah, I'd go to Perth as well, being a surfer.
00:26:49
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:26:51
Joshua
I mean, look, the AFL has teams over there, but I don't know with the time zones and stuff, i don't know how how I don't know too much about the AFL scheduling, but there's already people slamming the scheduling this year because there's some teams that have you know so many five-day turnarounds and other teams that have zero and three and...
00:26:51
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:27:12
Joshua
So, and you add in travel in there, they're already having issues when all of us are based on the East coast, then yeah, hopefully they can get it right when an international, another international team and a, well, let's call Perth international as well, honestly.
00:27:25
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, better say. May as well be.
00:27:28
Joshua
Yeah. So yeah. Interesting.
00:27:31
Ryan Firehock
yeah I think that's my logic too. like The travel would just be so hard regardless you're in the North Queen. like Obviously, the Cowboys do a lot of traveling. So do the Warriors. But Perth, imagine you have to go to Perth to New Zealand and then go up to North Queensland.
00:27:46
Joshua
Auckland, yeah.
00:27:47
Ryan Firehock
like That could be crazy. It's a lot, a lot of travel.
00:27:50
Joshua
Yeah, it's it's a lot.
00:27:51
Ryan Firehock
Yeah. But again, as you guys said, Perth
00:27:53
Joshua
We'll see, at least with the AFL, though. afl don't have The AFL don't have a team above Brisbane, right? So we're dealing now with way up there, way down there, say Melbourne, cross there for New Zealand and over there for...
00:28:00
Ryan Firehock
yeah
00:28:04
Gary Yeh
Mm-hmm.
00:28:08
Joshua
And they don't have a New Zealand team either. So the distance between Perth and New Zealand, like they don't have to deal with that. So yeah, it's, yeah, it's going to be interesting.
00:28:15
Ryan Firehock
true because like we obviously complain and stuff but then i always think about nba plays they're pretty much traveling every single day potentially hours on end which is very similar
00:28:27
Joshua
They're also not flying Jetstar with their legs up against their chin.
00:28:33
Ryan Firehock
not king james anyway
00:28:34
Joshua
They got private, they got, they got rich owners for that. They got business class and champagne.
00:28:38
Ryan Firehock
yeah Yeah, fair. ah their blackjack. hu
00:28:42
Joshua
Yeah.
00:28:45
Ryan Firehock
So next story, this is an interesting one. It's a very big theme currently in the NRL, but Abdo denies crackdown despite 18 sin bins in round eight.
00:28:50
Joshua
So
00:28:55
Ryan Firehock
Andrew Abbo claims and quotes, there's been no crackdown, but admits the bunker has quoted, overreached. Sin bins have been up 140%. Foul play reports up 75%. The bunk will now only step in for serious foul play, not minor garbage foreplay later.
00:29:13
Ryan Firehock
What our thoughts on the not crackdown of the sin binning? Gazzy, start with you, bro.
00:29:21
Gary Yeh
I can see both sides. Like as a viewer, like I hate to say it but I'm like, Oh, the game's gone soft and shit like that.
00:29:25
Joshua
Thank you.
00:29:30
Gary Yeh
But it's like, it almost has, but then I can see from an NRL and medical perspective as well, how important they're trying to rule out with the whole, you know concussion and,
00:29:44
Gary Yeh
or the future association with like Alzheimer's, dementia and all that. So, but I guess it's a fine line, isn't it?
00:29:49
Ryan Firehock
no
00:29:53
Gary Yeh
Because sometimes you look at it and it's like, oh, like that wasn't that bad.
00:29:54
Joshua
Thank you.
00:29:57
Gary Yeh
But when you pull it up slow-mo and things like that on replay, it looks pretty bad. Yeah, don't know, it's interesting, yeah, with the whole sim binning, definitely a lot more frequent per game, or actually per round.
00:30:15
Ryan Firehock
Well, 18 last round is crazy. What's your thoughts, Randall?
00:30:20
Joshua
Well, kind of confused by it all because he Andrew also said that there was no directive given to for this crackdown and stuff. So i well I don't know where this has come from. And he said there was never and the and he said that the bunker would never supposed to go back multiple plays or a play unless it was a serious offence.
00:30:43
Joshua
But this has happened somehow.
00:30:44
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:30:45
Joshua
Like, how is this just start? Was it just a rumor that started amongst the refs or something? Like, he he keeps saying it's not a crackdown, but, yeah, I don't understand.
00:30:55
Joshua
if If they were never supposed to go back multiple play. So now they're only saying, I believe, that they're only going to go back for send-off offenses, right? Not Symbians.
00:31:04
Ryan Firehock
yeah
00:31:04
Joshua
So i'm i this started somehow. So it's it's quite perplexing, to be
00:31:10
Ryan Firehock
yeah
00:31:12
Joshua
I reckon we're going to see less than half of that Magic Round.
00:31:15
Ryan Firehock
I'm hoping for it. Yep.
00:31:16
Joshua
They don't want to be embarrassed at NRL. They don't want their pants pulled down at like their marquee. This is the biggest regular season weekend of the year, right? They don't want their marquee
00:31:26
Ryan Firehock
yep
League Competitiveness and Performance Issues
00:31:27
Joshua
event to be tarnished by just just getting ripped to shreds in the press.
00:31:33
Joshua
So reckon we're going to see less than half of that terms of Sinbin's
00:31:37
Ryan Firehock
Well, maybe if we get the time from the Avengers and we rewind two years ago, it was the Sinbin Fiesta and then that's where it all originated.
00:31:44
Joshua
It's deja vu, isn't it?
00:31:46
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, that time of year, eh? But yeah, my thoughts.
00:31:49
Joshua
Yeah, so that was that was what we're all like. remember a couple of years ago, we're all just going, how crazy is this? Like everyone's just getting sent off, Symbian and sent off left, right and center.
00:31:55
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:31:58
Joshua
And it's gone full circle again and we're back to it. And now they're saying there's been no directive or they were never supposed to go back and rule on plays. And yeah, so happy to see it.
00:32:09
Joshua
you know Well, time will tell. That's that's all I'll say.
00:32:13
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, 100% time will tell. ah ah I'm with you, boys. It's just the inconsistencies and I hate like we're three minutes into the the new couple of sets and all of a sudden and the game gets called off for 10, 20 seconds and all of a sudden we got a penalty from three sets ago or like the sin binning was like, oh, I hit my chest here and then my arm slid up. Like that's not a sin bin.
00:32:36
Ryan Firehock
Like that's not like me trying to break someone's head off.
00:32:38
Joshua
Well, I don't know which one that won. That one that slid off the ball and they went back and replayed it.
00:32:42
Ryan Firehock
Oh, bruh.
00:32:42
Joshua
And then the Takeaho one, the ones that got stopped plays ago.
00:32:45
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:32:46
Joshua
So I'm happy to see that ending. Like, fair enough if someone needs to be sent off or something, sure. But, like, some of these sim bins were not even actually a penalty. So, yeah.
00:32:57
Ryan Firehock
Yeah. Soft. Like obviously Gaz was on it before. Like we don't want the long-term head knock issues and we want long-term and good longevity for these players. So they're putting their bodies on the line.
00:33:09
Ryan Firehock
The modern day Coliseum, I as I like to think of it, but Yeah, it's some of these calls have been absolutely bonkers, but let's hope they found a sort of middle ground. And Josh, you were giving me shit last week that I just want to watch rugby sevens on the field.
00:33:22
Ryan Firehock
But yeah, the 12v12 will come eventually.
00:33:24
Joshua
It's true.
00:33:27
Gary Yeh
Ryan wants everyone off.
00:33:32
Ryan Firehock
But yeah, hopefully Magic Round's a nice, smooth weekend with minimal controversy with this evening. of the last stories we got, boys, we got the Panthers' crisis. So they're dead last on the ladder.
00:33:45
Ryan Firehock
So Penrith and now have lost six losses already, and Ivan Cleary has stated, the ladder doesn't matter until July or August. Rothfield slams Cleary, stating that looks like he's got no idea how to fix it.
00:34:00
Ryan Firehock
Finals now at real risk unless they win 11 of the last 16 games approximately. What are thoughts on the Penrith Panthers? I'm rattled with the Panthers.
00:34:12
Joshua
well well
00:34:12
Ryan Firehock
i Every single week I'm going in thinking that they're going to
00:34:14
Joshua
Yeah, going into this year the going into this year, I thought, you know, how Luai and Phish were going. And yeah every year before that, I've thought, this will be the year.
00:34:27
Joshua
Or Coruscant's gone, this will be the year, you know. Who else have they lost?
00:34:30
Ryan Firehock
win.
00:34:31
Joshua
Kikau, Crichton.
00:34:33
Ryan Firehock
Croydon.
00:34:34
Joshua
right i'm like this will be the year they've lost kick out they lost cry and they lost appy and they've just showed up year after year and when i you know when i found out about luai going and fish like i thought well i've said that every year you know what they're just gonna they'll win another comp this is the year it they've fallen off they don't know how to play
00:34:34
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:34:39
Ryan Firehock
Taruda.
00:34:56
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:35:00
Gary Yeh
Mm-hmm.
00:35:00
Joshua
I thought that Roosters game was going to spark something in it. That's why i was worried last week. I thought thought Manly were just going to be the next sacrificial lamb because they got a fire ignited in them. And no, it's the same we've seen for the first seven rounds.
00:35:17
Ryan Firehock
And they're relatively full strength bar having Brighton Totto. Like, Brighton is a fantastic player, but at the end the day, he's a winger. So he's not overly influential.
00:35:25
Joshua
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:27
Ryan Firehock
Yes, he does 250 plus run meters, whatever it is, crazy.
NRL Draft System Speculation
00:35:31
Ryan Firehock
But he's not stopping 20 to 30 points getting he scored on them.
00:35:35
Ryan Firehock
The issue is their defense. But it's the CI test now. I think after they lost their first couple, I think the league sort of got some belief. I think there's been obviously a stigma with the Panthers that they're unbeatable, ah especially with that Broncos grand final from a couple of years back.
00:35:35
Joshua
uh
00:35:52
Ryan Firehock
They had no right to win that grand final. Clearly just went fucking Super Saiyan 3 from Dragon Ball And that's sort of been their stigma.
00:36:00
Ryan Firehock
Like, we're the top dogs. We're the big dogs. We're not going to be dethroned until you can sort of take us off the crown. And they've lost six now. And every team, every single week is bringing their best game to say, screw you, Panthers.
00:36:13
Ryan Firehock
We're back. You're down the bottom. You're washed. Thoughts, Gaz?
00:36:20
Gary Yeh
I was just about to ask you right are you, are you crossing a line? Are you crossing them out for the rest of the season?
00:36:27
Ryan Firehock
I think the league is so deep and it's the first year in a long time where any team you watch on a given night can win a game. And we're seeing that every single week.
00:36:40
Ryan Firehock
That's the only reason I got for my tipping. That's my only excuse. There's transparency throughout the league.
00:36:44
Joshua
Mm-hmm.
00:36:46
Ryan Firehock
um um But and that's what you want as a fan. That's what you want as ah ah a podcaster. That's what you want as an analyst. do You want to see transparency. You want to see every single game that you watch, you know someone's not going to get bumped out by 40 points unless you're the Gold Coast Titans from round six to round eight.
00:37:02
Ryan Firehock
Like that's what we want to be seeing.
00:37:06
Gary Yeh
Yeah, 100%. Yeah. I think Panthers, they are in a bit of a crisis. Look, if the Titans are above the Panthers on on the ladder by the end of the season, I'd be stoked.
00:37:19
Gary Yeh
But yeah, here's the praying.
00:37:22
Joshua
What, 16th versus 17th? No worries.
00:37:24
Gary Yeh
Yeah.
00:37:24
Joshua
and are so
00:37:25
Ryan Firehock
Spoonball. Spoonball, baby.
00:37:25
Gary Yeh
Here's the boom ball.
00:37:27
Gary Yeh
Take it on.
00:37:29
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, but have picked it? Who would have picked it? but I think I've said this before, maybe internal conversations between you boys, but...
00:37:35
Gary Yeh
hmm
00:37:38
Ryan Firehock
Jerome Luai, obviously Fisher Harris is such a big loss. He's like their mongrel up front. But Luai is just that asshole you want you never want to play. But when he's in your team, he just provides you that confidence every single time you're out there.
00:37:53
Ryan Firehock
And him not being there now... ah relieving some pressure off Cleary, it's very, very evident, I think, watching on the field.
00:37:56
Joshua
Okay.
00:38:01
Ryan Firehock
The eye test, no Luai. You haven't got that guy just hyping everyone up. He's such a good culture guy as well in terms of the internal foundations of the club. Yeah, very pressing this year, I think that's quite evident. and Obviously, Fisher Harris speaks for himself. He's an absolute workhorse, the New Zealand captain was co-captain or one of the part of the leadership group at yeah at the Panthers last year.
00:38:27
Ryan Firehock
Huge, huge loss. But Randall, we've spoken about this a couple of times internally, but you can't have depth for seven, eight years in a row. Like if you're doing well and you become a dynasty, people are going to poach players, whether they're from grassroots or your top talent.
00:38:45
Ryan Firehock
And we're seeing that from both levels.
00:38:46
Joshua
Yeah. And I sort of said to you as well the other week, I was like, it kind of sounds strange, but I feel sorry for the Panthers. Like, you know, a team that's just won all these comp four comps in a row.
00:38:55
Ryan Firehock
Hmm.
00:38:58
Joshua
But... They just get, you know, raped and pillaged essentially for their players that they've, a lot of them, they've developed. from a grassroots level so but you know that's why we have salary caps and you know otherwise it'd be like the english premier league over uh over like over in england with soccer like they literally these big clubs that just have all the money the man cities and that is win every year the liverpools man united they just money you know money wins comps over there so i'm i'm grateful for our situation you know
00:39:06
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:39:17
Ryan Firehock
Yep. Yep.
00:39:34
Ryan Firehock
yeah I think ah ah another discussion point, not this podcast, but would the NRL draft. And I think this is where teams like the Panthers should get compensation, obviously, because they've got so much young homegrown talent, same with the Broncos, et cetera.
00:39:52
Ryan Firehock
ah would love to see that some way, obviously be a lot of variables to flesh out. So maybe we've got to do some own independent research here, but the AFL will do it. So it's not like it's the end of the world.
00:40:02
Ryan Firehock
It would be very interesting if a draft was put in there because, again, you might have a homegrown talent, but you're coming first.
00:40:03
Joshua
Yeah,
00:40:11
Ryan Firehock
You don't get them. However, you might do bad like the Panthers this year and you come back down to the bottom and you can still get that talent.
00:40:17
Joshua
yeah
00:40:18
Joshua
yeah
00:40:19
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, big discussion point.
00:40:19
Joshua
However, it's it's a huge, huge game. They're playing the Broncos in Magic Round. Obviously, the crowd's going to be against them.
00:40:27
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:40:27
Joshua
It's the Sunday 4 o'clock, so it's the marquee game on Sunday. Yeah, that's i the Broncos are favourites, but I still can't count out the Panthers there.
00:40:38
Joshua
it's yeah It's not something i would I would do, especially, I don't know, yeah.
00:40:43
Gary Yeh
going to go ahead and get some more.
00:40:44
Joshua
Cleary's got some history in that stadium, so
Player Transfers and Team Impacts
00:40:47
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:40:48
Joshua
see what happens.
00:40:51
Ryan Firehock
Time will tell. So, Randall, the main reason you're here, mate, and yeah I think you might be happy, but Jamal Fogarty officially signs with Manly.
00:41:01
Ryan Firehock
So he's the DCE successor. So Jamal Fogarty will lead the Raiders at the end of season to join the Manly Seagulls on a two-year deal starting in 2026. This officially locks in Fogarty as Daily Cherry's replacement after the legendary halfback goes to another club or retires we don't know just yet.
00:41:21
Ryan Firehock
But the Raiders response, so Fogarty reportedly informed teammates last week. Raiders would go all in on Ethan Strang KO weeks and an Ethan Sanders probably partnership.
00:41:31
Ryan Firehock
Ricky Stewart quoted, we respect Jamal's decision. He's been a leader of this club and always gave 100%. So what it means for Manly, Fogarty brings experience, a steady kicking game and origin adjacent leadership.
00:41:44
Ryan Firehock
He's not a flashy playmaker, but Manly are clearly building around Tom Turbo and some of their younger players.
00:41:44
Joshua
you
00:41:50
Ryan Firehock
And Seagull fans may be split. you tend to go for a different Nike name, but this is a perfect person ask. Josh, what are your thoughts on Fogarty being?
00:41:59
Joshua
yeah First of all, it's it's a three-year deal, not two. he
00:42:03
Ryan Firehock
Yep, thank you.
00:42:06
Joshua
Canberra apparently offered him a two-year deal, but there's a lot of this weird he he said, she said sort of stuff going on. So... Jamal's come out and said that preseason he tried to lock in a one-year deal with the club, with his manager, and the club rejected it.
00:42:22
Joshua
And then they offered him a two-year deal at less than what he's currently on. And also it's reported that it's a million less than the Manly deal. So that would put the offer at like $500,000.
00:42:37
Joshua
so very very interesting their take on it so i don't know it's and jamal came out and issued a statement saying yeah he wanted to stay and they just wouldn't play ball so and then they offered a two-year deal but then manly offered three to get that get it over the line so look i'm i'm stoked with that ever since i heard that cherry was leaving it was you know there was this was also when
00:42:52
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:43:04
Joshua
Galvin wasn't on the market yet, essentially. So the halves were just, and then Dylan Brown signed with the Knights. So it's, it's yeah, there was a sense of dread, but then also it's sort of just come up. There's been a couple of you know halves come out and So out of, I'm i'm happy that they signed Jamal for sure.
00:43:26
Joshua
Like it's his experience. He's 30, 31 or 32, I think. So he's, he's an older high.
00:43:31
Ryan Firehock
Yep.
00:43:33
Joshua
And I think it's because he started his career. i think when he had his first full year with the Titans, he was like 26 or something. He was the late bloomer, right? When they got him from the Burley Bears, he wasn't one of these 18 year old halfbacks that had just come through and blitzed everything, you know?
00:43:48
Joshua
So he was sort of a, a late bloomer. So. Yeah, look, very excited. He's, ah ah I mean, goal kicking as well. It's good backup as well for Ruben Garrick. I know Chez kicked goals as well, but like Jamal's like an actual, you know, goal kicker, first choice goal kicker. So add some depth there. And yeah, i've I've been a fan of him.
00:44:10
Joshua
Like obviously with us being Titans members, when he left the Titans, We haven't heard a single Titans member ever say, oh, like when that was announced that they were happy about it.
00:44:21
Joshua
Ryan, I'm sure you remember the feeling of like, what the hell? why
00:44:27
Ryan Firehock
Captain.
00:44:27
Joshua
Why have we let Jamal go here? It was odd.
00:44:30
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, our captain. Yes, stupid.
00:44:33
Joshua
It was very odd.
00:44:33
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:44:37
Joshua
Yeah, so, I mean, and yeah, they didn't want him, so he went to Canberra, and now Canberra don't want him.
00:44:41
Gary Yeh
you
00:44:43
Joshua
So he's think kind of been kicked out by a couple of clubs now, essentially. So, yeah, very excited.
00:44:48
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:44:50
Joshua
Got a bit of a boot on him as well, so that fits nicely into that. And it'll just be interesting to see how him and Brooks complement each other.
00:44:58
Ryan Firehock
Yep. I think they'll complement each other quite well. I think he's got less of a running game than Cherry. So if anything, i think that might help Brooks' game even more so than Cherry Evan.
00:45:07
Joshua
Yeah.
00:45:10
Ryan Firehock
Gaz, what are you thoughts, mate?
00:45:11
Joshua
Yeah, definitely.
00:45:15
Gary Yeh
yeah Yeah, Jamal Fogarty, the Titans is amazing. I'm with you, Josh. like It's like, why why did the Titans let him go? It doesn't make sense.
00:45:27
Gary Yeh
And yeah, I think great addition to the Sea Eagles, to Manly. So yeah, Sea Eagles will have to be my second team, eh?
00:45:37
Joshua
Mate, I've got a hat ready to go. I've got plenty of hats. I've got about 50. So if you've got friends as well, I'll take them.
00:45:43
Gary Yeh
that's Sweet.
00:45:44
Joshua
Yeah, but but going back to that as well, it wasn't just one of those hindsight things where the Titans fans were like, oh, like ah in hindsight, he starts playing well or whatever.
00:45:45
Ryan Firehock
Hmm.
00:45:52
Joshua
like Immediately, they were like people said it was a bad decision. everybody he was like He was loved by everybody.
00:46:00
Joshua
So strange, strange trajectory. Gold Coast, Canberra, now to Manly. So... after being you know playing at the Burley Bears and I guess maybe not knowing if he was going to make it full time as a player. So yeah, all the best all the best to him and yeah looking forward to seeing him.
00:46:20
Ryan Firehock
Yeah. So he came from... So Ethan Sanders, who's currently in Raiders reserve grade, he went from Parramatta to go to the Raiders to sort of be the successor for Jamal Fogarty.
00:46:35
Ryan Firehock
So probably within that transfer to clubs to the Raiders, he's probably been promised by maybe 2026, 2027 that would get the gig.
00:46:39
Joshua
Mm-hmm.
00:46:44
Ryan Firehock
will get the gi So maybe there might have been some backlash there. Obviously, Jamal, well, really, when you think about it, boys, all these good halfbacks, Renault, Cherry, Jerome Hughes obviously a bit younger, Cleary's bit younger, but you get the idea. Ben Hunt, these older halves, they're not really old. They're actually in their prime in their like early 30s to mid-30s.
00:47:07
Ryan Firehock
That's when you sort of want to be getting them. Maybe the Raiders are looking at Saunders due to the fact that they have a younger squad. They can develop together on the same sort of timeline.
00:47:18
Ryan Firehock
That's probably the only rationale I can sort of get at. They might not be ready.
00:47:21
Joshua
Seems a bit underdone though, doesn't it?
00:47:23
Ryan Firehock
Yeah.
00:47:25
Joshua
Yeah. So, I mean, and yeah.
00:47:25
Ryan Firehock
I'm pulling. I'm pulling. Pull on strings, mate.
00:47:27
Gary Yeh
so
00:47:28
Joshua
And also the, I mean, the the money as well, it's been reported 2 million over three years. So like 650 something-ish. I think that's, I think that's a great, great deal for Manly.
00:47:37
Ryan Firehock
Steel. Steel. Bloody oath it is.
00:47:41
Joshua
Absolutely. When halfbacks are a premium, yeah, it's it's it's quite quite a good deal.
00:47:42
Ryan Firehock
Absolute steel.
00:47:46
Joshua
So happy with that. Look,
Match Recap: Broncos vs Bulldogs
00:47:48
Joshua
look I was always nervous when then Lachlan Galvin announced that he was looking to go elsewhere because, you know, like you just know some club's going to throw over a meal at him.
00:47:59
Joshua
So, and I was really hoping that wasn't us because, you know, yeah, yeah not a fan of those unproven, but I guess yeah some clubs, you know, you have to take a gamble sometimes, but yeah, really happy with this
00:48:11
Joshua
And yeah, like you said, is like Cherry's what? Cherry's 36, Jamal's 31. So like there's still, it it just goes to show you can be absolutely primed in your mid thirties still in this era.
00:48:24
Ryan Firehock
Yep, definitely. Well, Renault and him are quite similar how they play. Renault's always got a bit more flair, I guess, to his game. in terms of stature, terms of size, in terms of speed, in terms of how they kick the ball, very, very similar.
00:48:40
Ryan Firehock
So that's good sign for the the Manly Seagulls because that's four years more at least. So that contract should age like fine wine, hopefully.
00:48:51
Ryan Firehock
Time will tell.
00:48:52
Joshua
We'll see.
00:48:53
Ryan Firehock
So we've got Capra Factor.
00:48:54
Joshua
We will see.
00:48:57
Ryan Firehock
Kappa fact results from round eight. So boys, we got the Broncos beating the Bulldogs 42 to 18. So the key talking points from the Australian Sun.
00:49:08
Ryan Firehock
The Broncos delivered a full half blitz, scoring six unanswered tries to lead 34 to zero at halftime, effectively ending the Bulldogs' unbeaten start to the season.
00:49:16
Joshua
Thanks.
00:49:17
Ryan Firehock
Adam Reynolds orchestrated the on-sort with a masterful kicking game, whilst the Bulldogs' discipline unraveled, resulting in multiple sin-binnings and reports. So key stats, the final score was 42 to 18, half time was 34 to 0, seven tries to three to the Broncos, seven from seven conversions for the Broncos, three sin bins for the Bulldogs, one to the Broncos, and eight penalties each for each team.
00:49:45
Ryan Firehock
We also got some key standouts here. We got Renault absolutely blitzed it with one try, three try assists. We got Payne Haas obviously dominant the middle. He's it's just a he's a gun. He's a god.
00:49:55
Ryan Firehock
Dean Mariner, obviously, beneficial bit beneficiary from Reynolds' kicks. He did a couple of early cross-field kicks from Mariner in the corner. And we obviously talked about Cobbo earlier on doing that transition to fullback, really straightened up the attack. Obviously, Walsh is more of a sweeper.
00:50:10
Ryan Firehock
Cobbo is more just pin his ears back and run through the line. Some of the biggest things, though, to talk about, boys, is the disempowering issues so for the Bulldogs. So, Satili Tupinua was sin-bin for a shoulder charge and later placed on report for raising his knees into contact for a Broncos player.
00:50:26
Ryan Firehock
How the heck he did not got sent off, let alone sin-bin, I do not know.
00:50:30
Joshua
Now that is that is a bunker intervening send-off. the
00:50:35
Ryan Firehock
bruh, 100%.
00:50:35
Joshua
Yeah. yeah
00:50:37
Ryan Firehock
And you got two more.
00:50:37
Joshua
it I actually can't believe... I can't believe the i which Broncos player was it, but he he took it pretty well, but he copped a full-force knee to the head and was, you know, yeah.
00:50:47
Ryan Firehock
Big dude as well.
00:50:50
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, but Tupanua's got five-match ban, and then Josh Curran got Sinbin for a shoulder charge, and Montoya as well got Sinbin for high contact, essentially was a shoulder charge.
00:50:51
Joshua
So...
00:51:00
Ryan Firehock
And Matt Burden got placed in report for a high tackle on Billy Walters, according to ABC News. Gaz, you already talked about Renault's shoulder injury, looked like a burner, but then came off late with his shoulder.
00:51:12
Ryan Firehock
Lots to digest, lots to dissect. We already sort of talked about the 18 sin bins. ah was it Three of them were from this game. Should have been a send-off as well. What do we think about this game, boys? Tupanoor, absolutely brain fart McGee. Randall, are thoughts?
00:51:32
Joshua
Yeah, I mean, great for the Titans. so i yeah i mean
00:51:36
Ryan Firehock
Yeah, true. True.
00:51:38
Joshua
i mean, I still don't think they're going to win, but it couldn't have probably had a better result for the for the Titans, like some key players out there. So yeah, it was it was a very interesting game. i I only watched the highlights of that one, but just i I did watch the highlights, but I went and back and watched it live on the sim bins and the the knee and everything just to get the full picture, and it looked even worse.
00:52:06
Joshua
So, um yeah, yeah, not too much more to say about that, and I'm happy for the bunker to intervene on send-offs there, but, yeah.
00:52:14
Joshua
Yeah. I will say though, boys, i it is a school night and I'm going to jump off, leave you two to do your segment together. I'm on curfew. Ryan and I have an appointment with the golf course tomorrow.
00:52:27
Joshua
And then ah huge three days, absolutely massive.
00:52:27
Gary Yeh
That's
00:52:30
Joshua
And I still need to pack. So I'll leave it with you two and can't wait for the weekend.
00:52:33
Ryan Firehock
they
00:52:35
Gary Yeh
it.
00:52:37
Ryan Firehock
See on the golf course, mate.
00:52:38
Joshua
see you guys see i'll shoot it probably about a 1 35 tomorrow honestly
00:52:38
Ryan Firehock
see you tomorrow in morning.
00:52:44
Joshua
so you guys
00:52:47
Ryan Firehock
Gaz, are thoughts on the Broncos, mate?