Ep 103: Fighting Foos with Triple Drain

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Speaker: Thanks for tuning in.

Speaker: What?

Speaker: Oh, sorry.

Speaker: Did I just like mess it up already?

Speaker: Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker: Are we already recording?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I hit the start button.

Speaker: Kate, you know what?

Speaker: You're really close to losing your honorary third position.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Thanks for tuning into the loser kid pinball podcast.

Speaker: I'm probably going to leave that.

Speaker: We'll see what happens.

Speaker: We're on episode one Oh three.

Speaker: I am Josh Roop with me.

Speaker: My cohost as always, Scott Larson, I guess co-captain.

Speaker: Cause you know, captains are just as important as they are.

Speaker: Number two.

Speaker: And Oh my goodness.

Speaker: You know what?

Speaker: Foo fighters just came out.

Speaker: Scott, where do you, where did you buy food fighters?

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: You know what?

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I will say that I, I was super unknown about like what to expect on this.

Speaker: Um, uh, I I'm on record in saying that I thought the Jurassic park home edition was actually fun.

Speaker: It was a lot of fun.

Speaker: Just, uh,

Speaker: However, it didn't really give you much to know exactly how much Jack could do with a full budget and a cornerstone game.

Speaker: Hold on.

Speaker: Where are you going with this?

Speaker: Do you want me to answer that?

Speaker: I asked you where you buy Foo Fighters from.

Speaker: Where I buy Foo Fighters from?

Speaker: Oh, wow.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Sorry.

Speaker: I thought we were like jumping into Foo Fighters.

Speaker: It was crazy.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: This is a total amateur hour.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: If I were to get a Foo Fighters, and I probably will after watching that stream today, I would contact Zach and Nicole Manny at Flippin' Out Pinball.

Speaker: And they've always helped us out.

Speaker: They are sponsored of the show and we appreciate what they do.

Speaker: And I think their phone has been blown up with Foo Fighters.

Speaker: So all Foo, whatever Foo's you up, definitely call them.

Speaker: Definitely.

Speaker: And like I said earlier, I have been having issues with my Godzilla.

Speaker: Greg Bone has taken amazing care of me.

Speaker: He's walked me through all the technical skills I needed to properly diagnose my Godzilla.

Speaker: I got the part within two weeks.

Speaker: I just put them in two nights ago.

Speaker: The building is up and working again.

Speaker: I'm loving it.

Speaker: Seriously, you don't buy a company just for the product.

Speaker: It's also for the customer service.

Speaker: And with that in mind, we decided to bring someone else on from a different pinball company.

Speaker: literally the pinball company and I from Fox said he's pinball.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Thank you.

Speaker: Travis.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: We had Joel last week on from triple drain.

Speaker: And so we, we decided to bring the other two on board and, and really Travis has been the honorary third, third host for, for loser kid for a while.

Speaker: So, and we all know Tom because he talks so much, so much true.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But, okay, first off.

Speaker: I want to say I appreciate you guys having me here.

Speaker: More than anything, even though I already messed up the beginning.

Speaker: And now all of a sudden my son has just walked in and now he wants to have a conversation too.

Speaker: Sure, why not?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Just one second.

Speaker: You guys go right on ahead.

Speaker: What's up, bro?

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: The fun of podcasting with kids.

Speaker: Oh, absolutely.

Speaker: Usually I'm waving at them.

Speaker: So yeah, it's same here.

Speaker: I just asked him what he needs.

Speaker: He just looks at me.

Speaker: He's just like, it's nothing, dad.

Speaker: I'm like, are you interrupting me?

Speaker: Legitimately.

Speaker: I do wonder if we should offer like a YouTube version of this to see if people want to watch us actually talk.

Speaker: Like I, I honestly have no idea.

Speaker: I certainly have a face for radio.

Speaker: But it certainly would be interesting to see if people actually tune in and watch.

Speaker: Well, now we actually have a YouTube channel.

Speaker: So maybe if I can convince Scott just to edit the video, we'll be all good to go.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Or just slap it up unedited raw like this.

Speaker: I will definitely.

Speaker: Oh, there's Travis.

Speaker: El Gato.

Speaker: El Gato.

Speaker: No signal.

Speaker: Oh.

Speaker: Travis is legendary for, for being the only person in like the, the 21st century that does not have a camera that's actually dedicated on that is a part of your computer system.

Speaker: I think he has like, couldn't fix it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So whatever.

Speaker: I thought Tom has the coin slot.

Speaker: You know, you put the 25 cents and you get another five minutes.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And then once once his camera goes out, you put another 25.

Speaker: It's a magic fingers.

Speaker: The magic fingers are podcasting.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: For those of you who are younger than 40 magic fingers was some little vibrating thing.

Speaker: It was like a shaker motor for your Motel six bet.

Speaker: So I'm so glad you finished that sentence.

Speaker: Wait, what?

Speaker: It was what now?

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I'm not kidding.

Speaker: It was like this shaker motor that was bolted on the bed and you would put a quarter in and it would, it would basically shake the bed.

Speaker: It was called magic fingers.

Speaker: Think of the worst massage you've ever had.

Speaker: Really?

Speaker: So you've done it also, Tom?

Speaker: Is that what you're saying?

Speaker: I have done it.

Speaker: How do you guys run into this stuff?

Speaker: Do your parents just drop you guys off at like shady motels?

Speaker: Here, do the magic finger thing.

Speaker: We'll be back in five hours.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: You're assuming that like, we are not high class when I was growing up.

Speaker: It was definitely like, let's find the cheapest room.

Speaker: You're like, you're definitely renting by adjacent to the renting by the hour rooms.

Speaker: And also the, let's just say the, the nighttime activities.

Speaker: And so you just want to sleep with something under your bed just in case someone broke in or was drunk.

Speaker: Yeah, that's the generation.

Speaker: We're lucky we're alive.

Speaker: I know, right?

Speaker: Seriously, like there was no such thing as air.

Speaker: We put air tags on our kids.

Speaker: Like there was no air tags on the kids.

Speaker: Yeah, it was like when the when the lights come down, show up.

Speaker: When I went to first grade and my mom gave me a key and was like basically like get off the bus, let yourself in.

Speaker: I'll be home in two hours.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: What shocked me the most is I got to drive a 1969 Chevy Camaro about 15 years ago.

Speaker: And I hopped in, I revved it up.

Speaker: I was excited.

Speaker: And I'm like, where's the seatbelt?

Speaker: I didn't know that they didn't invent seatbelts till like the early 70s or the mid 70s.

Speaker: Hey, Tom, tell me about the car seat that you had growing up.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: It was called jumping around in the backseat.

Speaker: Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker: Hey, we had, we had seven kids and we had a van that had eight seats.

Speaker: So once you add the parents and I'm the youngest, guess who sat on the ground leaning against the engine compartment.

Speaker: That was basically my seat.

Speaker: And it wasn't, there wasn't even any pad on it.

Speaker: That was just me.

Speaker: Like feeling the magic fingers of the road as we're flying down.

Speaker: Oh, no.

Speaker: So much now I know.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Oh my goodness.

Speaker: Josh, you see what I go through here?

Speaker: It's like, this is what I do every week with Joel too, where he's always like, we're going to talk about this.

Speaker: And then we go 30 minutes somewhere else.

Speaker: And he's like, now let's just dive right into it.

Speaker: Oh my goodness.

Speaker: At least there'll be no Halloween talk.

Speaker: Oh, yes.

Speaker: But we can talk about Scooby-Doo because Foo Fighters came out and there's some obvious references in that game to pop culture in general.

Speaker: Zoinks!

Speaker: So now that I cut you off like six minutes ago, Scott, do you want to finish your thought process on what you were saying about Oofiders?

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Now, let's just pretend that that whole screwed up intro did not happen.

Speaker: And let me tell you about my first impressions of the game.

Speaker: I really was, I didn't know what to expect.

Speaker: Jack, he put out a, I thought a very fun home edition, but we all know that that's not a full, it's not a full cornerstone game.

Speaker: So it is, it is stripped down in the max stripped down on the flow.

Speaker: So I was like, well, I'm not sure if, you know, for a first time effort, if it will, like, if I'll be interested, I guess.

Speaker: And I will say after watching the stream, wow, it definitely blew my expectations away.

Speaker: And it not only looks fun, it looks polished.

Speaker: It looks like it has already a good baseline rule set.

Speaker: And my gosh, those expression lightings look so good.

Speaker: Oh, you guys and your expression.

Speaker: Yeah, I seriously, I don't know how you can have any music fans without expression.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, OK, am I am I excited about this game?

Speaker: Oh, yeah, I'm totally excited.

Speaker: I am sure I will buy one at some point.

Speaker: What are your thoughts, sexy Tom?

Speaker: By the way, we all get to name ourselves and and Tom has obviously dubbed himself sexy Tom and Travis's Joel sex.

Speaker: And then I'm Loser Kid and Scott's just Scott.

Speaker: So, you know, it's just another day.

Speaker: I want super creative.

Speaker: We do fun names when we do our podcast.

Speaker: Well, you role play too.

Speaker: True, true.

Speaker: um i am extremely excited for this pin um i i didn't i didn't know what to expect you know with jack coming out of the woodwork you know only doing that home pin and this game looks amazing

Speaker: I at first looked at it and I thought, I'm going to get a pro.

Speaker: And then I thought about it and I saw all the cool stuff on the mini play field.

Speaker: And, you know, I was just like, all right, I got to get an Ellie.

Speaker: It's it's it.

Speaker: It looks amazing.

Speaker: I love how you went from pro to Ellie.

Speaker: There was a premium wasn't even an option.

Speaker: Yeah, I just I don't want to install those damn expression.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Well, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I mean, it's so shocking that the Tom Graff, the LE elitist, would get a LE.

Speaker: So it's very shocking for sure.

Speaker: He was not going to slum it and get a pro.

Speaker: He was just teasing us that he would.

Speaker: Honestly, the Pro looks really good.

Speaker: I think it does too, actually.

Speaker: I mean, I kind of like the art package on the cabinet better on the Pro.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Me personally, but... You don't like the mystery machine on the side?

Speaker: No.

Speaker: I guess.

Speaker: No, I liked it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So Travis, you, you literally got paid to stare at this for like 10 plus hours yesterday.

Speaker: And then you got to watch it tonight.

Speaker: What are your thoughts, Mr. I'm professionally paid to stare at pinball machines for hours.

Speaker: I take money for my hobby.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Oh my gosh.

Speaker: I, yeah, I've probably looked at the pictures now and videos for, what is it?

Speaker: Wednesday?

Speaker: Wednesday.

Speaker: Yeah, probably at least at least 25 hours at this point.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: Like, it's just, yeah, it's just insane.

Speaker: It feels like the past two days have just been all day long.

Speaker: But no, I mean, I share the same sentiments you guys do.

Speaker: And of course, we all talk off off podcast and all that.

Speaker: And the questions are with everybody.

Speaker: Like, what would this pin look like?

Speaker: And Jack, he was upfront that he was going to bring back weird to pinball.

Speaker: And we didn't know what that would mean exactly.

Speaker: So where was that going to come from?

Speaker: Was it going to come from Gottlieb?

Speaker: Was it going to come from from Bali?

Speaker: What like what era?

Speaker: But we knew it wasn't going to be a fan layout.

Speaker: Like that's the one thing we know because you don't use those words and just go safe.

Speaker: So so I was very excited to see what would come out of it.

Speaker: And to be honest with you, this does exceed expectations from what I had.

Speaker: And I just, I didn't know what it would be.

Speaker: It was just, you know, we don't think of

Speaker: of Stern putting out weird layouts.

Speaker: You know what I mean?

Speaker: Like we think of it or anything that's that's strange or whatever you call it.

Speaker: We think of it more or less that they put out stuff that's dynamic.

Speaker: Like if it's a Keith Elwin or something like that.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But with this, it almost feels like, and I've said this to a couple other people, it feels like they almost out spookied spooky.

Speaker: Yeah, I agree.

Speaker: Like that's what it seems like to me.

Speaker: It's almost like when you look at it, there's just so many unique things to it from whether it's the inlanes, from the kicker target.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And just stuff like that, the figure eight coming all the way around the jump ramp that goes to the quick one 80.

Speaker: There's a lot of unique things about this pen and the most shocking thing about it, watching it this evening, that there was a ton of flow to it.

Speaker: And that thing, it was not,

Speaker: really clunky at all i mean i was very surprised by that because looking at it i was wondering that about the jump ramp i was wondering about the figure eight how would that return and my only true concern with it was the in lanes just seeing how they were kind of offset because of the targets i was wondering how that would affect things and it really didn't look like it affected that much

Speaker: on here with everybody there.

Speaker: But that being said, that could be a result of all of them playing it a lot.

Speaker: So they knew what to expect and it could be a result of how the game is set up.

Speaker: So I'm still curious how that will be because it doesn't look like even in the promo videos, it doesn't look like it's a smooth feed all the time.

Speaker: So that might move timing or something like that.

Speaker: But then again, like maybe you can say that's just uniqueness of the layout as well.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: looking at it too, I had concerns.

Speaker: I'd sat down with Jack multiple times after JP Home had come out and we were talking about the cornerstone and he wasn't giving much information away besides it's going to be weird.

Speaker: And he was referencing Judge Dredd a lot.

Speaker: I was telling you guys this off podcast.

Speaker: And when Foo Fighters got announced this last week, we started kind of putting puzzle pieces together, right?

Speaker: And I brought that back up.

Speaker: I'm like, what the heck in Judge Dredd?

Speaker: because that is a weird weird unique layout right like i've never seen it done again and trudeau has a way to make some really weird but fun layouts and but bally williams was it cost prohibitive now right like the only way that cgc can remake these guys is is because they've already been made they're just essentially tweaking them and putting them back on the line but um

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: We were just all so confused.

Speaker: So it was refreshing to see, yes, there is weird stuff in here, like the in-lane targets and the kickback, which I don't think has ever been done on Stern.

Speaker: It's obviously been done on Gottlieb, but it was refreshing, too, to see that the shots fell.

Speaker: unique but still familiar if that makes sense and so i'm very i'm very happy with this i think regardless like tom was saying i think it doesn't matter if you go with a premier pro you're going to be happy either way you go and it's just really matter of preference at this point and they talked about they're gonna have this at texas so maybe go down there and flip both of them and see what you prefer the most i don't know

Speaker: I know the people that are looking at it on the fence money-wise or even having a hard time.

Speaker: Like, I have a friend that he's just, he's pro all the way, but he saw this premium and he's like,

Speaker: It looks pretty good.

Speaker: Yeah, it looks pretty good.

Speaker: And his wife's like, well, we need it because of the post because she's not good at pinball.

Speaker: So she's like, I want the post in there for that.

Speaker: And he's like, really, this post is going to cost me what?

Speaker: $2,500.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I will also point out that there is a market difference between the, uh, the alien dude.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And the standup target, like the, the, the standup alien, like the, the two dimensional plastic mold and the other one, the other one looks great.

Speaker: Now I, I'm going to throw this out there because, and see exactly what you guys think.

Speaker: If, if deep root actually happened and released Raza, don't you think this would be what people wanted?

Speaker: Yeah, I, it, it looks, it looks like it was, it could have been Raza, but done right.

Speaker: No, that's, that's a thousand percent, right?

Speaker: This is like, this is something, and this is this, I guess we could say this is kind of the power of Stern also, right?

Speaker: Cause this is coming right after bond where we all know, obviously what happened with that.

Speaker: People have their opinions on it and everything with the code, with the design, with everything.

Speaker: But then it's like, okay, Stern, they're just such a powerhouse.

Speaker: They can put out another pen just in a couple of months that looks completely different, completely different theme, completely different artwork, completely different vibe.

Speaker: It's got the expression lights.

Speaker: And just like Scott pointed out, it's got a design that I could probably nearly guarantee this is what people would halfway expect out of something like Raza.

Speaker: I mean, it is a very unique layout.

Speaker: For sure.

Speaker: I think it does reach that level to where it's going to get attention, right?

Speaker: So Foo Fighters theme, even though there was a lot of people that were upset about it on, you know, online on the interwebs that they were like, Oh, dad rock again, this and that.

Speaker: But the reality is, is rock themes do very well and they've moved it to the nineties too.

Speaker: So it's like, it's, it's a relevant band.

Speaker: They've got obviously a ton of assets that animations guys are,

Speaker: Freaking fantastic.

Speaker: My God.

Speaker: The best.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I've never.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Eastern out of anything.

Speaker: I would put it.

Speaker: I played Raza like one of the first ones down at Houston.

Speaker: And this is back in 2019.

Speaker: Remember, they were talking about the animations there and everything.

Speaker: And this what I saw out of this, this is quite possibly the best animations I've seen.

Speaker: on a modern pinball machine.

Speaker: I was floored by what they did.

Speaker: So whoever was on that, I forget what the name was.

Speaker: They set it on stream, but Bravo to them.

Speaker: Like that's a fantastic job.

Speaker: So it's almost like this pin.

Speaker: It's kind of like the perfect storm of everything coming together, whether it's a unique design, whether it's fantastic art, the fantastic music that's with it and the fantastic animations that's with it.

Speaker: I mean, you bring all those together and

Speaker: You're going to have something that is going to be special for a long time, which is great for pinball, but even better for Stern.

Speaker: The fact that they can do something like this outside of Elwin, like that's, that's pretty big deal.

Speaker: I agree.

Speaker: Think about the last two designers and their, their freshman effort.

Speaker: I would say impressive.

Speaker: It doesn't doesn't capture it.

Speaker: I mean, Iron Maiden and yes, people people played Archer before.

Speaker: And so at least they're familiar with it.

Speaker: But an amazing game.

Speaker: And I would I would put this up there for like one of the best debuts of any designer.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Well, and one thing I want to point out too, Travis, you talked about is there was a slight audible groan, even though it's Facebook and Pinside and whatnot, when it was dad rock again, right?

Speaker: But here's the thing that people need to realize too.

Speaker: Regardless if you don't like dad rock or not, it's here to stay.

Speaker: I mean, Zombie Yeti's connection to Foo Fighters is why this was so unique.

Speaker: And if you listen to the Insider podcast, he had no restraints.

Speaker: They seriously just kept coming up with weird things, and they'd throw it to the Foo Fighters, and they were like, heck yeah, go for it.

Speaker: And so, I mean, parallel that next to Bond, which we haven't had official confirmation from Stern, but you can tell it's a licensor issue with that, right?

Speaker: they're gonna go look at look at the product they've made with foo fighters and rush that's the sandwich right rush bond foo fighters yeah rush and foo fighters are arguably the best integrated themes into a pinball machine and so it regards if you don't like dad rock or not it's here to stay they sell they're easy to work with because you only have a handful of people over you versus

Speaker: all these assets, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker: My band owns all the music.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And so I would, I would take a Foo Fighters a hundred times over.

Speaker: Then I dare, I say Harry Potter.

Speaker: It makes me nervous that we've been hearing Harry Potter kicked around lately.

Speaker: It's going to be insane.

Speaker: You know what the weirdest thing about seeing Foo Fighters and getting to see it played?

Speaker: It almost makes it look like James Bond and Foo Fighters were made by two completely different companies.

Speaker: Like they are so far different.

Speaker: From each other.

Speaker: And obviously like bond, we, it's hard to blame designers, software people or anything.

Speaker: If you are, if you have constraints, that is so difficult from a creative standpoint to fight through that.

Speaker: Like it's just, it's so difficult.

Speaker: And everybody out there knows that that does anything.

Speaker: That's that's any type of creativity.

Speaker: So, I mean, seeing this, I don't feel like who fighters that anybody on that had the issues.

Speaker: And if they did have any issues, like kudos to them for,

Speaker: Just bulldozing through it because it just it doesn't look like that was happening with this pin.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I just I think this is what pinball should be.

Speaker: I mean, we see it with Godzilla, too.

Speaker: I felt like there was very little restraint there.

Speaker: Keith, the handcuffs were not on as hard versus other things he's done in the past.

Speaker: I mean, look at Avengers.

Speaker: Avengers is still a great game, but like he mentioned it before, like the only asset he had for like Hulk was his eye.

Speaker: His eye.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, and so it's like, what do I do with his eye?

Speaker: You know?

Speaker: And I don't know.

Speaker: I'm excited for this game.

Speaker: Wrapping it back to Foo Fighters, I'm in on one regardless because...

Speaker: When I first heard Foo Fighters, this is the first time I'm like, hey, I grew up with this music.

Speaker: This is a band I remember watching play.

Speaker: I've seen them in concert.

Speaker: This is a band I very much relate to, but it's not the top of my list, right?

Speaker: Like everyone knows, it's funny, I was playing the songs for my son, right?

Speaker: And the first one comes on, My Hero.

Speaker: And he's like, I've heard this in a meme.

Speaker: I hear it in memes all the times.

Speaker: And then I played like,

Speaker: all my life.

Speaker: And he's like, Oh, I've heard this one too.

Speaker: And then I played like times like these or, or may was ever long.

Speaker: And he's like, Oh, I've heard this one too.

Speaker: Everyone's heard Foo Fighters.

Speaker: I guarantee you've been sitting in a Walmart and it came on and all the songs are relatable.

Speaker: So it's not like, I don't hate any of that.

Speaker: I love rock and roll and the pug five that they bring.

Speaker: So it wasn't a hard transition for me to be like, yeah, I'll go with Foo Fighters.

Speaker: Well, I think too, right?

Speaker: The, uh, the Foo Fighters, I remember them being in Guitar Hero.

Speaker: Like they had several songs that were in there.

Speaker: So it's like, even, even my kids, they're 12 and 13.

Speaker: When I told them there was going to be a Foo Fighters pinball machine, they knew what that meant.

Speaker: And that shocked me because I never talk about it with them, but then come to find out, oh, they realized it came from this video or as part of this game.

Speaker: And they knew a bunch of the songs that I'm just like, oh,

Speaker: where the heck is this coming from?

Speaker: I didn't even realize you guys are fans, but yeah, it's just, I think a lot more people are aware of this theme than what, uh,

Speaker: than what the older demographic of pinball realizes.

Speaker: I mean, I think it fits very well to like that 25 to 45 range, somewhere right in there, 25, 44.

Speaker: I think there's a lot of people there that realize that.

Speaker: I mean, even me, I'm 38 and I still remember listening to Foo Fighters back in middle school and all through high school, then early college.

Speaker: So it's ticking all those boxes for me.

Speaker: And this is actually the first time

Speaker: Really, for me personally, I know a lot of people probably felt this with Guns N' Roses, and I've obviously, Tom and Scott felt this with Rush, but this is the first time that I've actually...

Speaker: seen a pin done by a, you know, a pinball company that I know the music and I can remember certain memories of the past when that music was playing or something I was associated with or whatever.

Speaker: And so, yeah, that's that right there is going to take a lot of boxes for a lot of people that are in that sweet spot that are ready to buy pinball machines.

Speaker: And we're, we are going to see that avalanche happen.

Speaker: It's going to happen.

Speaker: And I think you, I agree with you that this is going to be a consistent theme over ages and it's going to, it almost could be an evergreen title just because of how much longevity is there with Foo Fighters.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I would also argue that for someone who has never been a buyer before,

Speaker: like this could be the gateway pin.

Speaker: This could be the pin where they're like, wow, that theme's awesome.

Speaker: I totally, and it's, it's well done.

Speaker: The art package is fantastic.

Speaker: The presentation is great.

Speaker: And there's like, wow.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So this is, this is totally, it, it feels like someone from the Bally Williams era designed a modern pin with modern rules.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It looks like that.

Speaker: It looks like the fun of the, the Valley Williams, the, the campiness, the, you know, just everything that, that takes it back.

Speaker: And it's like, this is the second coming of Valley Williams, like this type of approach.

Speaker: I know I even see a little bit of a Dr. Dude vibe when you look at the, at the play field, maybe not the layout, but like the art style.

Speaker: I don't know what you thinking, Tom.

Speaker: You're so, you're so talkative.

Speaker: I don't think.

Speaker: He doesn't think he buys.

Speaker: He buys.

Speaker: Just buy him, baby.

Speaker: No, I mean, the game is freaking, it looks fantastic.

Speaker: You got three ramps, a mini playfield.

Speaker: I mean, what more could you want?

Speaker: Kickers, in lane targets, and just a lot of uniqueness.

Speaker: Animations are freaking cool.

Speaker: I like how they derive the story of, you know, like the aliens and everything.

Speaker: It sounds like from what I heard from Insider Connect that it was really a zombie Yeti idea, you know, and it just went from there.

Speaker: But, yeah, it's definitely cool.

Speaker: What do you guys think of the additional topper toys that are rumored?

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: So the topper was confirmed.

Speaker: Well, the topper toys was confirmed, but not the actual toys themselves.

Speaker: The existence of them.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: But it sounds like you could buy the toys and put them on your topper and they would do something.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: They're meant to interact with the topper itself.

Speaker: Very interesting.

Speaker: That's awesome.

Speaker: When I heard that, I immediately thought of the Amiibos from Nintendo.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: And those were created back in 2014.

Speaker: So I'm just like, okay, so Stern has now gotten their game online.

Speaker: Welcome to the 2010s.

Speaker: Now they're getting into the Amiibo thing.

Speaker: So now I'm like, holy crap, what's going to be next?

Speaker: What can Stern do?

Speaker: The Nintendo Switch version of Pinball?

Speaker: Yeah, we're going to have an Nintendo machine or a pinball machine where we can just walk around with it.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: Just set it down somewhere else.

Speaker: Attachable controllers.

Speaker: That would be great.

Speaker: Someone get on that.

Speaker: That is a multi-million dollar idea right there.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: I'll take 5%.

Speaker: Deeper will do it.

Speaker: Don't worry about it.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: Don't worry about it.

Speaker: Oh my goodness.

Speaker: So the other thing is too, I mean, so what DNA do you guys see in this machine?

Speaker: I know that I personally, I see spirit because of the in lane targets, right?

Speaker: I was thinking, um,

Speaker: Stargate earlier, we were talking about that because of the kick from the target.

Speaker: I see Simpsons pinball party.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Up top.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: It's accessible.

Speaker: We see, I guess, Deadpool maybe on the left with that left ramp.

Speaker: They really pushed Deadpool in the Insider podcast.

Speaker: They said that.

Speaker: You've got Tanya Klaiss and Zombie Yeti.

Speaker: So you've got the art and the rules.

Speaker: I mean, and Jack Danger has professed his love for Deadpool.

Speaker: ever since he revealed it, what, three years ago?

Speaker: Or how long has it been now?

Speaker: It's been a while.

Speaker: It's been a while, yeah.

Speaker: But yeah, that little schnick shot seems like it's turned into a jump-wrap shot on this game.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, that's true.

Speaker: Jurassic Park with that center spinner.

Speaker: Yep, that's what I was thinking, too.

Speaker: Right lane.

Speaker: Yeah, the right side really reminded me of Jurassic Park as soon as I first saw it with the right ramp, the right orbit, where the center spinner is, and then the loop and the ramp, just kind of in those areas.

Speaker: It just kind of reminded me of it.

Speaker: I'm not going to say it was a direct pool or anything like that.

Speaker: Just felt like it had Jurassic Park DNA to it as well.

Speaker: So you see a lot of great elements of different types of games all put in here.

Speaker: Thank you, Mr. DNA.

Speaker: Well, and sometimes that's not good because we were talking about that before the podcast that, you know, I think a lot of times people tend to go over the top thinking, okay, a machine needs to have everything in it.

Speaker: And I don't think a machine being jam-packed necessarily means it's good.

Speaker: Like it still has to work.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You know, whereas when I saw this, it did look like there was a lot put in there, especially for the pro version.

Speaker: And then you see it all come together.

Speaker: It's like chef's kiss.

Speaker: Like it actually worked the way you wanted it to work.

Speaker: So yeah, kudos to the whole team at Stern for sure.

Speaker: No, I agree.

Speaker: And I think you put it.

Speaker: We talked about this, right?

Speaker: We want DNA from other games, but we don't want a perfect match, right?

Speaker: Well, you don't want a knockoff.

Speaker: So you don't want like – I've always said that the end of Def Leppard was hysteria because when Adrenalize came out, it was like these are like the B songs that didn't make it to hysteria.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Like you could tell that the magic was gone and it's, and you don't want to feel like you're just re-releasing different versions of a successful layout because eventually it gets stale.

Speaker: Well, and I love John Borg.

Speaker: I really appreciate what he's done for the hobby and whatnot, but I think he gets the slack of this most, right?

Speaker: Him and Richie, because when his designs come out, they always harken back to one of his previous designs.

Speaker: Rush, everyone was talking X-Men.

Speaker: When Guardians of the Galaxy came out, everyone was talking Metallica.

Speaker: And so it's good to see DNA from different games, especially from...

Speaker: a first time designer because you're going to want some familiarity there.

Speaker: I, I think that's what scared us the most, right?

Speaker: We kept hearing weird that, that word scared us.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: We were all thinking WWE.

Speaker: And we all know how successful that was.

Speaker: That was certainly a weird game and having like an increased gap in the flippers.

Speaker: You know, just, just because it's weird doesn't mean it's good.

Speaker: It just could be bizarre.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But this was fun.

Speaker: Weird.

Speaker: Like this was like campy funds like, Oh, that's different, but I want to play it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: With the, I will say with the in lanes, yeah.

Speaker: I am curious to see if there's a little bit of, with most inlanes, it's a linear curve.

Speaker: So if it flows down the inlane, it tends to just rip past the flipper.

Speaker: But this, because of that little Shatz target that he put in there, I wonder if that will kind of bounce and maybe even slow up like a quick inlane shot.

Speaker: What do you guys think?

Speaker: I saw a couple of people tonight that they actually had their flipper up and they were able to stop the ball.

Speaker: Like I could have swore I saw that.

Speaker: I mean, I was coming in and out, but yeah, I mean, and I think it's going to do that.

Speaker: I think it's going to, which isn't bad.

Speaker: It's not bad.

Speaker: It's not a bad thing.

Speaker: I think the timing for some people, it's going to throw people off the first time they play it.

Speaker: And I think a lot of it, just like we mentioned earlier, it's going to just depend on game set up as well.

Speaker: I mean, it could depend on the pitch of the game.

Speaker: It could depend on if it's leaning left or right.

Speaker: That may very well affect how that ball is coming down to a flipper.

Speaker: I mean, because I'm expecting some versions of this game out in the wild to rattle like crazy.

Speaker: I'm expecting it.

Speaker: And at the same time, it looks like there's the possibility for it to just go down like butter as well.

Speaker: So I think it's just going to be your mileage may vary situation here.

Speaker: Wasn't it funny too, we were watching it tonight and Rayday, we were like, he kind of is playing it like it's casual to him, right?

Speaker: He was having a rough time getting going on the first game or two.

Speaker: And so I'm like, what does that mean for the rest of us?

Speaker: He just, he had to warm up, but yeah, I actually did message.

Speaker: I did message Ray and I said, this game looks like a blast.

Speaker: And he was just like, yeah, his, his official word was heck.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But it's a, I mean, if someone who at that level is excited about playing the game, that bodes really well.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That guy caught me and you're getting an L E. Is that why you got an L E?

Speaker: Because of Raymond.

Speaker: Yeah, I'm really glad you got the LA.

Speaker: It was so funny.

Speaker: Did you guys listen to the pinball show on Monday?

Speaker: I think it was.

Speaker: No, Tuesday.

Speaker: Most of it, yeah.

Speaker: And Dennis was going off.

Speaker: He was like, Raymond's not on this one.

Speaker: And finally, he's not on a band pin.

Speaker: And then they announced, Raymond's on Foo Fighters.

Speaker: Oops.

Speaker: Yeah, he's not lead designer, but you guarantee that Raymond's knowledge rule set will definitely shape the goals and the code.

Speaker: Before we go any further, Tom, did you need to duck out or did you?

Speaker: Yeah, I kind of had a late night last night and not a lot of sleep.

Speaker: So I'm going to actually head out.

Speaker: But thanks for having me on the podcast.

Speaker: Love your guys podcast.

Speaker: Well, thank you.

Speaker: Before you head out, we need Tom talks.

Speaker: Tom talks, Tom talks.

Speaker: Okay, Tom.

Speaker: All right, Tom, you got five seconds.

Speaker: What's your talk?

Speaker: Foo Fighters is pretty awesome.

Speaker: And that's Tom Talks, everybody.

Speaker: There you go.

Speaker: See, such excitement.

Speaker: I'm out of here.

Speaker: Mic drop.

Speaker: Hey, Tom, we know it's late for you.

Speaker: We actually do appreciate you staying up a little bit.

Speaker: We didn't think we were going to get you because, you know, some of us have jobs in the morning.

Speaker: You can't just sleep in and binge pinball all day.

Speaker: I wish.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I got to make some money so I can pay for my LEA.

Speaker: Yeah, seriously.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Well, now that we kicked Tom off the podcast, let's talk about him.

Speaker: Yeah, no, I would like to say I'm leaving triple drain now.

Speaker: I'm so happy to be the third member of Loser Kid.

Speaker: Finally, we got rid of all the dead weight.

Speaker: Thank you, guys.

Speaker: You're welcome.

Speaker: Anytime.

Speaker: We're glad to have you on the team.

Speaker: I think Scott has a hat for you.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You know, we, we, we give all our new members hats.

Speaker: Thank you.

Speaker: I appreciate it.

Speaker: I mean, this is, this is exactly why I got double zero at Ndisc and everything.

Speaker: Like I want to do just so crappy everywhere else.

Speaker: And then just, just go to the winning team.

Speaker: I mean, that's, that's really, that's the way to live life, right?

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Speaking of merch, is this where you want to bring this up, Josh?

Speaker: We can, or do we want to keep talking the food or are we done with food?

Speaker: You know, I'm excited for Foo.

Speaker: It looks like a blast to play, and I do not think the reveal stream could have done anything better for a game.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That was an awesome reveal stream because most of the time it's like a couple of drunk guys playing pinball and it's a clunk fest.

Speaker: But man, they were just ripping it.

Speaker: It looked like a blast.

Speaker: Yes, I agree.

Speaker: And like we said, I think regardless of what model you go with, you're going to be happy.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: If and or but.

Speaker: But we have an exciting announcement, right, Scott?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Why don't you take it away, Josh?

Speaker: You actually did all the legwork on it.

Speaker: So you remember Brad Albright we had on?

Speaker: It's been years.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And he did the, before the official Led Zeppelin game, he did the art for the re-theme that was done by, I think, Dave Peck.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Down in New Zealand.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And so we had him on and great guy.

Speaker: And obviously his career has taken off.

Speaker: I'm not going to say because of us, but he's obviously got a little bit of work in pinball.

Speaker: Anywho, I'm like, Brad, we want to do some stuff.

Speaker: And long story short, we have some shirts coming out that are actually not designed by me or Scott.

Speaker: And we have some shoes and it's all come out via silver ball swag.

Speaker: By the time this is up and running, the link should be live.

Speaker: Is it the shoes?

Speaker: Is it the shoes?

Speaker: You remember that commercial?

Speaker: The original Michael Jordan Air Jordan commercials?

Speaker: I don't.

Speaker: Oh, it was Spike Lee.

Speaker: Oh my gosh.

Speaker: What year was that?

Speaker: Was there magic fingers in that commercial too?

Speaker: I do not remember that.

Speaker: I remember Michael Jordan.

Speaker: Go look it up.

Speaker: This is it's Spike Lee selling the air Jordan.

Speaker: And the reason why that was a big deal is because, um, they came out with the air Jordans and the NBA didn't let them use it because they weren't compliant.

Speaker: Cause it was like, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But we did tease, actually Brad teased the goat, Keith Owen, with our Loser Kid hat on.

Speaker: That will be our shirt design.

Speaker: And then we have an all-over pattern.

Speaker: Go ahead to go to silverballswag.com slash Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.

Speaker: Get it there.

Speaker: These shoes are pretty awesome.

Speaker: I'm very happy with the way they do.

Speaker: We're actually buying our own shoes because we're like, these are awesome.

Speaker: I think I'm going to go with the red because I want the impact.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Obviously, Travis is going to buy several pair now that he's an official member.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: I've already got a palette of them.

Speaker: You guys are so much more professional than those other two knuckleheads.

Speaker: Thank you.

Speaker: I'm so happy right now.

Speaker: Well, if you want to hold off from buying from Silver Ball Swag, you can actually see, if I remember correctly, they're going to have at least the shirts in person at Texas Pinball.

Speaker: Oh, okay.

Speaker: So, yeah, I talked to Will.

Speaker: He said we could definitely get the shirts there.

Speaker: I don't know about the shoes because of the lead time there.

Speaker: I think it's like six.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I will say those shoes look awesome.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: And there's about seven, six or seven colors you can choose from.

Speaker: And you can choose lace-up or you can choose the van style.

Speaker: I mean, they look fantastic.

Speaker: So has there ever been anybody in pinball to release their own shoes before?

Speaker: Like publicly?

Speaker: I don't think so.

Speaker: Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Maybe did Soft Plunge do shoes or something like that?

Speaker: What are you guys going to call this officially?

Speaker: It's going to be like the...

Speaker: uh i don't know hard loser kid or the the air losers the plunge and swat line like what are we gonna call this well and we we already have the uh the tagline uh tagline uh losing at life winning at pinball

Speaker: And you will be winning at pinball with these shoes.

Speaker: Trust me.

Speaker: Absolutely.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Seriously.

Speaker: It will look like I just walked out of a loser kid convention.

Speaker: Cause all of the shoes, I have my, uh, my custom, uh, bowling shirt that says that has the losing it life, winning at pinball.

Speaker: I got the old school red and red and black hat and white.

Speaker: So.

Speaker: What's funny to me is like, you know, everyone was wearing our hat because they got the magic from Keith Elwin when they started winning the tournaments.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: Now you can actually have Keith Elwin on you so you can have that magic through you for your tournament.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: That is like a new level where you are wearing the goat while wearing the hat.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It's like inception.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: I know Travis, this is why he came on to talk.

Speaker: He's like, yeah, let's come on.

Speaker: Let's talk about this.

Speaker: Hey, let's talk about that.

Speaker: That slanket you, you like wearing.

Speaker: Where is it?

Speaker: Your slanket?

Speaker: What?

Speaker: Oh, the comfy.

Speaker: Oh, okay.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And it should have been called a slanket.

Speaker: I actually, I don't know where it is.

Speaker: I think one of the kids.

Speaker: Oh, took it from me, but yeah, no, they, so funny enough.

Speaker: I didn't think anything of that at all when I had it on.

Speaker: And then all of a sudden, of course, you know, Joel and Tom, they just went wild.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And it is, it took like a life of its own.

Speaker: And I swear I should be under contract for comfy at this point.

Speaker: I still get, I get pictures from people that have bought it.

Speaker: I mean, I probably sold at least 30 of those already.

Speaker: It's so ridiculous.

Speaker: I should have, I,

Speaker: I should have an affiliate link.

Speaker: You should at least get your free comfy.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: It's comfortable.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: Enter Travis Murry.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It's comfortable, but yeah, no, it's taken such a life of its own.

Speaker: We're actually offering it as a prize for a Carl's pin clash thing too.

Speaker: I don't know if you guys have seen that.

Speaker: Like we're offering a prize for, I think we're putting up a hundred dollars plus a comfy, I think is what it is.

Speaker: And it's called you are average.

Speaker: So we're giving it to the person.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That finishes right in the middle.

Speaker: You know, and at first we wanted to call it something making fun of Joel, but then we realized he's not good enough to finish like in the middle of the pack.

Speaker: So we couldn't do that.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Now I will say in Joel's defense, Joel is still probably a better player than I am.

Speaker: No, no, there's, there's no way.

Speaker: So it was funny.

Speaker: I won't name the name.

Speaker: But I guarantee they're listening to this.

Speaker: And Joel knows who I'm talking about because it's so funny.

Speaker: But they were just like, because Joel was saying, I can't play in tournaments.

Speaker: I can't do this.

Speaker: Can't do that.

Speaker: They were just like, why not?

Speaker: There's even a Joel division in it.

Speaker: They were talking about the novice division.

Speaker: The Joel division.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You know what?

Speaker: I actually want to trigger Travis right now.

Speaker: Are you ready for this, Travis?

Speaker: Sure.

Speaker: Why not?

Speaker: So American Pinball put out a trailer for game five.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: Let's talk about this.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Let's talk about that awesome teaser.

Speaker: We need to talk about that.

Speaker: We'll copyright Galactic Tank Force.

Speaker: We can't say Galactic Tank Force in the name.

Speaker: DGF.

Speaker: DGF.

Speaker: I was so confused by that because I'm so all in for seeing this machine too.

Speaker: I'm so excited to see it at TPF.

Speaker: And then when the teaser came out, I think we all, like in all of our messages and everything, everybody was just like... Confused?

Speaker: Yeah, we just sent the memes to each other.

Speaker: It was just like awkward eyes looking at each other.

Speaker: Like, what just happened here?

Speaker: I just, I don't know.

Speaker: Josh, what do you think?

Speaker: What's going through your head on it?

Speaker: I do have to admit, so I'm sitting there with Carter.

Speaker: He's my 12-year-old.

Speaker: And we're watching this.

Speaker: And it starts, it's like, introducing...

Speaker: whatever i can't remember the names you know millie whoever and carter looks at me he's like who are these people and i haven't a clue and i'm like i think like when then it showed that like the characters pop up of the shadows of them right like oh it must be that there was four names and there's four characters so it just must be the uh

Speaker: the names of the characters, because that last name doesn't sound real to me.

Speaker: The Moorfoot, the Clementine Moorfoot.

Speaker: And if that's your real name, it sounds like a D&D character.

Speaker: Yeah, so I was like, oh, this must be the name of these characters.

Speaker: I just, this is not how you promote a product at all.

Speaker: I mean, this left more questions than answers, and it did not hype me at all.

Speaker: We joked about ChatGPT would do a better job, and then Travis proved us right

Speaker: by making some and they didn't even have to have pinball in the actual ad and it was like all these were a million times better I just don't get it like

Speaker: There's been a lot of hype and I blame this on Joel because he's not here, but DTF.

Speaker: Well, okay.

Speaker: Do you feel that they, it, it almost feels like they, they rushed something out because they, they have to, I don't know what the constraints are.

Speaker: Why are they planning on releasing it?

Speaker: But on top of all the other things that have been rumored forever, and then you have, um,

Speaker: You have Foo Fighters that was teased.

Speaker: And then they teased this.

Speaker: And we'll talk about the other teaser coming up too.

Speaker: But it almost felt like we need to present our product because if everybody just sees what Stern is putting out, it's going to suck all the money out of the market.

Speaker: And we need to at least have a small slice of the pie.

Speaker: So let's just get something out so people know that we have something too.

Speaker: That's what it felt like.

Speaker: It felt like... American Pinball actually makes some solid games.

Speaker: They're reliable.

Speaker: By the way, that's number one in my book.

Speaker: I need reliability in a pin.

Speaker: I need it to be on location without a lot of issues.

Speaker: If I buy it at home, I do not want to be like an amateur repairman.

Speaker: So they make solid games...

Speaker: But it's just confusing when they didn't release anything other than Legends of Valhalla last year.

Speaker: And then they come out with this, which is taking the camp to a... We thought that... Well, if you think Foo Fighters is taking it to kind of this comical attack from Mars battling monsters from space or whatever.

Speaker: This is just straight out of...

Speaker: Straight out of the B science fiction movies from the 1960s.

Speaker: Well, not only that, they start the trailer with their logo, which is fine, whatever.

Speaker: This is a 54 second trailer and half.

Speaker: Half is the logo.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I was.

Speaker: So I've watched this teaser lately.

Speaker: No less than 12 times probably.

Speaker: Cause I, I just kept looking at it and I just kept getting more and more confused and yeah, it just, so the problem is, is the attention span of people.

Speaker: It's so short that you have a window of about two or three seconds, right?

Speaker: Cause we, we live in the horizontal, uh, video era, right?

Speaker: Or the, sorry, the, the vertical video era with TikTok, with reels, with all that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So when you're trying to get somebody's attention, you have to get it instantly.

Speaker: And the way that you do that is not through showing a logo for 20 plus seconds coming out.

Speaker: So if they were doing a video just to reveal their logo, because the logo actually looked pretty cool.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: The problem was it was almost like, okay, how long is this going to take to get through this?

Speaker: And then when you follow that up with an announcement of game five, it's like, okay, you're assuming people first know who you are, and then you're assuming that they realize you've had that many games to begin with.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: So just that whole cadence was just odd to me.

Speaker: It just, it just felt like that they should have just kind of left the logo until the very end of it.

Speaker: Because if they would have came in like at the beginning, just showing like maybe some of the artwork, just not really lit up, just kind of like super dark,

Speaker: You know, to where you can kind of get a hint of something and they kind of just give like many vibes like that.

Speaker: And then they don't have to show the pin.

Speaker: Then you just show the name of the pin, like in all of its glory or the back glass or whatever.

Speaker: You do something like that and then you cut to the logo afterwards because then it would matter to establish, OK, this is American pinball, because the problem is it's just like.

Speaker: A lot of people didn't realize what they were looking at.

Speaker: And then the craziest part was, is like Josh alluded to earlier, they started naming off the names.

Speaker: Well, as a viewer, we have no idea who these people are.

Speaker: I had no idea what it was.

Speaker: And then the thing that just confused me the most, we get to the very end and it still doesn't say the name of the game.

Speaker: But then if you look in the lower right hand side or towards the bottom last five or six seconds, you can see the actual name Galactic Tank Force.

Speaker: So they still say the name.

Speaker: on the teaser, but they say it at the very bottom, which is like the trademark text or whatever it was at the bottom.

Speaker: So I, I'm still not quite sure what to make of it heads or tails.

Speaker: Honestly, I still don't know.

Speaker: I guess the names there are people associated with working on the pen after Googling a couple of the first names that they seem to be actors or actresses.

Speaker: I think somebody played Sonya blade or something like that in the past for mortal combat.

Speaker: So, I mean, it just, I, my fear for that is, um,

Speaker: is that teaser did not get people very excited for what it is.

Speaker: And it didn't really give an indication of what the pen is, right?

Speaker: It felt like unintentional misdirect, the completely the wrong direction, which is what you don't want to do when you're trying to get hype up

Speaker: For your pain.

Speaker: Cause look at like, we have to compare this because everybody's on the equal playing field.

Speaker: Everybody's trying to bring it at TPF.

Speaker: We have to compare it to what Stern did with food fighters.

Speaker: They were very strategic in releasing multiple teasers.

Speaker: And what's the number one thing they did at the very beginning before they even showed gameplay, they tease the animations like, and that got everybody hyped.

Speaker: We play a physical game.

Speaker: of pinball, but yet the animations, that's what got everybody hyped.

Speaker: And so it's just kind of like whoever was making the decisions at Stern, they understood that.

Speaker: Whereas with, you know, with Galactic Tank Force and American Pinball, it was just like that, that didn't happen.

Speaker: You know, and it just, I don't know.

Speaker: It just felt weird just with the logo taking 20 seconds and big bold letters saying, I guess, a humongous amount of assets.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Featuring literally a humongous amount of assets.

Speaker: What's that even supposed to mean?

Speaker: It sounds like.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Cause I thought it was, I thought it was an original theme.

Speaker: So I would assume they have all the assets to it.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: Apparently they couldn't trade trademark a butt tongue.

Speaker: And here's the other thing, too.

Speaker: If you're going to present these people, because we Googled this after the fact, right?

Speaker: I went through and I atomized all the people that they said they were featuring.

Speaker: Like you said, the very first one she was in, Mortal Kombat 3 was her highlight as Sonya Blade.

Speaker: The next person was, he did animation, but the last animation he really did was for NBA 2K15.

Speaker: That's been almost a decade ago.

Speaker: And then the other two people, I couldn't find anything about that.

Speaker: And so if you're introducing these people, you should have had some kind of small snippet of them on your website.

Speaker: So that way when someone Googles, it takes them to your website.

Speaker: You know what I'm saying?

Speaker: Like this whole thing was just a cluster and it made no sense.

Speaker: Like I've never looked at a pinball machine like, no, that's not fun for my family at all.

Speaker: Why did you start with like presenting game five, fun for the whole family?

Speaker: Can you think a pinball machine like maybe like Guns N' Roses not on a...

Speaker: on adult mode.

Speaker: I wouldn't want around my kids or Rick and Morty, but it just, it almost felt like that in this teaser trailer, if you really watch it, it almost feels like there's a bunch of placeholders in it and somebody forgot to take the placeholders out.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Just, just seeing game five and seeing random names that you have no attachment to, you have no association with just seeing the logo last as long as it did.

Speaker: And then seeing literally no name of the pinball machine that

Speaker: anywhere except for the very bottom and little tiny texts.

Speaker: Cause if you're on mobile, I had a few friends look at it on mobile too.

Speaker: So they could tell me, what do you think of this?

Speaker: And they had no idea what they were saying.

Speaker: These were non pinball people and they literally had no idea what it meant.

Speaker: Because to them, even though they see American pinball, they still don't associate it with that.

Speaker: As a manufacturer.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: They don't know.

Speaker: So they're just like, is this a cartoon coming out?

Speaker: That, that, that was what a lot of people were asking me.

Speaker: And this, this is non pinball people.

Speaker: So that's the thing.

Speaker: It's like, how are you going to market this?

Speaker: Are you going to market it towards just people that just know pinball that know that you're coming out with this?

Speaker: Or do you want to try to get another audience?

Speaker: So yeah, I,

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I'm just very confused by it.

Speaker: And that's the last thing you want out of your marketing.

Speaker: You don't want it to create more confusion.

Speaker: It seemed like they were trying to go for, um, like building the suspense.

Speaker: So any Marvel movie, they have that, that panoramic shot where the, the Marvel letters are, are passing by and then it ends up

Speaker: right side up and you see Marvel and everyone cheers.

Speaker: And then you keep going.

Speaker: That's also for a two and a half hour movie.

Speaker: So you can have like a 20 second screenshot of the Marvel brand, but on a, on a 52nd trailer, it's confusing.

Speaker: Well, what's interesting.

Speaker: So let's juxtapose this with a multimorphic cause they did a very similar trailer.

Speaker: But the interesting part is, is I feel like they got away with it because they're

Speaker: We all know who Scott Denise is.

Speaker: And we're excited.

Speaker: And what I loved about their trailer is it said Scott Denise.

Speaker: And then it gave his credits, right?

Speaker: Total nuclear annihilation.

Speaker: Rick and Morty.

Speaker: Bo and Karens.

Speaker: We all know who Bo and Karens is.

Speaker: They're a good chunk of us, right?

Speaker: Maybe if you're first getting into the hobby, you might not.

Speaker: But the thing is, he has a built-in...

Speaker: In pinball, these are known names.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: In pinball, they're known names.

Speaker: And then it still gave like even people I didn't know that's on the team for Project Carbon is what they're calling it.

Speaker: They still gave their credit.

Speaker: So I then felt like they were official.

Speaker: You know what I'm saying?

Speaker: Sure.

Speaker: Where with Americans, we haven't a clue who these people are.

Speaker: I've never heard of these people.

Speaker: I've been in pinball.

Speaker: 10 years now, almost 10 years.

Speaker: And I'm like, I've never heard of a single soul.

Speaker: That's why I was so confused.

Speaker: Even, even at the end when I was like, yeah, they just must be the name of the characters.

Speaker: P3 is now I will say P3 is a, it's a niche market.

Speaker: Like you are the only people who are buying P3s are people who are

Speaker: familiar with pinball.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You may get a few random weirdo fans who will buy it, but for the most, but I mean, that's a crazy expensive purchase for, for one game.

Speaker: except for an L.A.

Speaker: Foo Fighters, apparently.

Speaker: But that's... You're marketing to a very specific audience.

Speaker: It seemed like American Pinball was hoping to tease to, I don't know, like a bowling alley or a fun skate, like an arcade, like get people back into the arcade.

Speaker: This is like that fun thing, but it just felt like it was out of time.

Speaker: We don't really know anything more about it.

Speaker: It could be that this is all...

Speaker: Once the game comes out and we say, wow, that's fun, then great.

Speaker: It could be awesome, but it's just confusing the only step that we have.

Speaker: Well, and Travis, I think I've seen marketing through your eyes because we've talked a lot about marketing over the last year at least.

Speaker: And what I think the problem is is a lot of these pinball companies are selling towards the niche part of pinball, right?

Speaker: I think the problem is we don't realize there's such a bigger pond out there.

Speaker: And look at Foo Fighters.

Speaker: It went with theme.

Speaker: The first thing they present is Foo Fighters.

Speaker: They never once in the trailer said Jack Danger's designing this.

Speaker: They did talk about zombie Yeti art.

Speaker: but zombie yet he's also a known quantity and i will say jack jackson known quantity in pinball too but not as a manufacturer but they're selling that product to foo fighters fans on top of pinball right with with with this multimorphic with american pinball it all feels like it's being strictly to the niche part which i'm not gonna lie

Speaker: there's what maybe 10,000 people that consume pinball media.

Speaker: That's really, really into like, they have to be on pin side every day.

Speaker: And there is a lot more than 10,000 people in this hobby.

Speaker: Yeah, it's huge.

Speaker: And so, well, a lot of it is too.

Speaker: It really depends on what your theme is too.

Speaker: So obviously American pinball is going with a original theme, right?

Speaker: So nobody's really going to respond to it.

Speaker: Unless you really push what that theme is.

Speaker: So lean into the campiness.

Speaker: That's what you need to lean into.

Speaker: So then your marketing needs to reflect that, that you're going all in on something like that.

Speaker: You know, whether it's showing like just that any type of animation that you have already or you're just showing something funny on the on the play field with art or something like that.

Speaker: Whereas if you do have a licensed theme, I think that the smart thing to do early on is to push what that theme is.

Speaker: I think if you push theme before design, before anything else, that's really key because then that's what gets people talking regardless.

Speaker: And then we really start to break it down afterwards.

Speaker: Everything gets filtered down into, okay, who's on design?

Speaker: Oh, what do we think the artwork's going to look like?

Speaker: Oh, okay.

Speaker: So it looks cool.

Speaker: How's it going to shoot?

Speaker: Oh, what's the code that all starts filtering way down.

Speaker: But the reality is, is that your primary base market, like the biggest part of it, it's just theme.

Speaker: They don't care what the design looks like.

Speaker: They don't care.

Speaker: They don't understand what the code is.

Speaker: Guys, I've talked to people that have played rush for a year.

Speaker: They had no idea a diverter was on there.

Speaker: I talked to somebody else that literally has a Ninja Turtles for two years and they did not realize the glider diverted.

Speaker: They had no idea.

Speaker: So, and this is the thing, this goes to show you that even people that you wouldn't necessarily consider casuals, some of this stuff still gets by.

Speaker: I mean, you know, not all of us can just do everything perfect, but that's just an example that there's a lot of times that people will just buy a

Speaker: right strictly on theme and yeah it's just i think what people got to realize because pinball itself is very niche but what's not niche is people that have game rooms at their house yep yep and themes that's not niche people want entertainment at their house so i preach this all the time and i know you guys hear this i know it sounds like a broken record if somebody new comes into pinball

Speaker: All the themes brand new to them.

Speaker: Everything is brand new to them.

Speaker: And that's the key of it.

Speaker: That's what creates this longevity.

Speaker: And that's what makes Stern so freaking strong compared to everybody else, because they have, they have the ability to put multiple games on the line and multiple games are in production, like over a dozen different themes.

Speaker: Look at just this past like year, right?

Speaker: We've had rush.

Speaker: We've had Foo Fighters, Elvira,

Speaker: I think Iron Maiden's coming back out again.

Speaker: We've had, gosh, guys, what else is there?

Speaker: Mandalorian.

Speaker: I mean, it just keeps going higher and higher.

Speaker: All these games are still in production.

Speaker: So, you know, yeah, you push theme more than anything.

Speaker: And so I think if, and of course, yeah, and you make sure you have cameras at work as well.

Speaker: El Gato, no signal.

Speaker: But I think more than anything, if...

Speaker: If I had a company that had a machine, right, that was just, it was a new theme.

Speaker: Nobody knew what the theme was.

Speaker: My whole thing would be leaning into what it is.

Speaker: If it's going to be campy, we're going to lean into campy.

Speaker: We're not going to worry about who's designing it.

Speaker: We are going to worry about who's on art because if the art looks great,

Speaker: Let's push that.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: Let's push all that.

Speaker: Let's push the art.

Speaker: Let's push the animation.

Speaker: Let's push the vibe that we are going for.

Speaker: And that's what would get people talking.

Speaker: What they need.

Speaker: They need to push it like Flash Gordon.

Speaker: And if you're old enough to ever have watched the Flash Gordon, that is campy as all get out.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: When was that on TV?

Speaker: It was like the 70s.

Speaker: Josh, were you old enough?

Speaker: I was not even bored.

Speaker: He's making all these references there so far.

Speaker: Okay, but guess what?

Speaker: I'm the wheelhouse in the game, seekers.

Speaker: They're making for my generation.

Speaker: How does that feel?

Speaker: I feel great.

Speaker: I feel at home.

Speaker: I truly am Loser Kid 3 now.

Speaker: I'm so proud of this.

Speaker: I feel bad for Tom and Scott because me, you, and Joel have just been talking about Foo Fighters, right?

Speaker: And Tom actually has been pretty intrigued with it.

Speaker: I mean, he's a rock fan, you can tell.

Speaker: But I have noticed Scott has not been interjecting so much in our conversation in chat.

Speaker: Okay, that's because you guys have texted like a billion messages, and I have a J-O-B.

Speaker: I can't just...

Speaker: drop everything and it's like, Oh, guess what?

Speaker: I'm going to go and talk about, uh, talk about pinball for a while.

Speaker: Hey, excuse me while you're asleep under anesthesia.

Speaker: Let me go and blog about this.

Speaker: Priorities.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: My family was all sick, so I had to stay home.

Speaker: So yeah.

Speaker: 1980, by the way, is when Flash Gordon came out.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And Flash Gordon, the whole premise is this is how we know it's pure fantasy is he's a hero because he is quarterback to the New York Jets.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: That's it.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: And he was in Ted.

Speaker: Oh, yes, he was.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I know about him right there.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Anyway, it's just totally random.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think eventually, hopefully with all these releases coming out, though, I think people will finally figure it out eventually.

Speaker: Like what gets attention?

Speaker: What doesn't get attention?

Speaker: And I think spooky actually out of anybody has done very well in getting attention to their stuff.

Speaker: You know, and I think if anybody's really going to

Speaker: To kind of look at a smaller manufacturer and say, okay, how do we figure this out in terms of at least getting our brand known and at least moving units?

Speaker: I mean, we could talk about the quality of those units all day long, but at least moving the units and getting a sell through.

Speaker: I think they're a good, good example to go by.

Speaker: How does spooky sell?

Speaker: Two things.

Speaker: Theme art.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, Halloween sold 1250 games.

Speaker: just when they showed the art package and people were like, that looks awesome.

Speaker: And so they sold out instantly.

Speaker: So they're really leaning into that.

Speaker: I mean, they have Scooby-Doo, they got Rick and Morty.

Speaker: TNA was known, it was a passion project because people in the community know it.

Speaker: But yes, that is what is keeping the lights on a spooky theme and art.

Speaker: I'm hoping that, now I think American Pinball still makes a solid game when they make them.

Speaker: No, they do.

Speaker: No doubt.

Speaker: I had a Hot Wheels for a little while and that thing was, I mean, pun intended, that thing was built like a tank.

Speaker: So I look forward to seeing the next game and see if it actually looks like a tank.

Speaker: That's what I want to know.

Speaker: It's just, it's so weird to me because American came out with, what was it, last year?

Speaker: They're like, we're building all of our cabinets the same because they're all different.

Speaker: Like Houdini has the little waves in the head and stuff like that.

Speaker: So it's really weird to be like, we're making everything the same across the board, except for our new game is going to look like a tank.

Speaker: But it does make sense.

Speaker: No one's brought this up, and I want to bring this up.

Speaker: I haven't heard this from any other media source.

Speaker: You know, they do talk about this being built like a tank and it being unique.

Speaker: Dennis Norman's done that before.

Speaker: He did it with Wonelli.

Speaker: It was put up on a crate.

Speaker: Yeah, it wasn't legs.

Speaker: It was on a crate with beer cans that you adjusted to...

Speaker: why it doesn't shock me we're doing something like a tank you know what i'm saying well because it's dennis norman yeah however if it only looks like a tank when the back box is folded down doesn't it look like your tank is under repair when the back box is folded up and you're like looking under the hood of the tank okay how amazing would destroy the lore for us we

Speaker: How amazing would it be?

Speaker: We're talking about portable pinball, right?

Speaker: You can step onto it like a tank and drive it around.

Speaker: Dude, that would be awesome.

Speaker: Yes, and then you can take it wherever you want to go.

Speaker: It'd be the most accessible pinball machine ever.

Speaker: Absolutely.

Speaker: It comes with a battery pack, so you could drive it down to the pizza parlor.

Speaker: Make a couple bucks and drive it home, right?

Speaker: We're just all in the parking lot at TPF with a bunch of tanks just going around.

Speaker: No, this is a pinball machine on a Segway.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: That's what I have in mind.

Speaker: There's just like a dozen of us all out there.

Speaker: We're talking, uh, we're talking, uh, Job from, uh, or is it Job from Arrested Development?

Speaker: How he wrote around on the segue?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Arrested Development's not that old of a show.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: You should at least know what that is.

Speaker: I have heard of the name.

Speaker: I've never seen one episode.

Speaker: Oh my gosh.

Speaker: I've watched a couple.

Speaker: They're good.

Speaker: It's actually pretty funny.

Speaker: You've watched two?

Speaker: Or three?

Speaker: I think three.

Speaker: Three?

Speaker: So that third one, you were just like, nah, I can't do it anymore.

Speaker: It's pretty good, but reason enough.

Speaker: I don't know about you, but I watch shows with my wife, and it has to become kind of a collaborative effort.

Speaker: So if we're both not into the show, it kind of falls by the wayside, right?

Speaker: Hey, that works for me, too.

Speaker: All British period pieces from the 1950s to 60s, apparently we're both into it.

Speaker: I've never actually said that, but apparently we're both into.

Speaker: Really?

Speaker: So you figured out how to watch shows with the wife then?

Speaker: That's excellent.

Speaker: I've actually been banned from watching certain shows with my wife.

Speaker: So...

Speaker: Like, first time, apparently, I got, I literally got us kicked out, or I say I got us kicked out.

Speaker: I got kicked out of the theater when I went to go watch a Twilight movie with her.

Speaker: Because apparently, like, yeah, I was trying to be a good husband, guys.

Speaker: You guys laugh.

Speaker: I was being an excellent husband, right?

Speaker: Okay, but, but you showed up.

Speaker: Is that before you got kicked out?

Speaker: And then Joel showed up with his, like, glitter makeup and...

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So I was trying to keep it together with guys, the damn thing.

Speaker: And sorry, spoilers for anybody that really wanted to see this.

Speaker: They just kept glittering and I just couldn't take it anymore.

Speaker: And I just started laughing.

Speaker: I just could not control it.

Speaker: All these women were looking at me.

Speaker: My wife is like hitting me at the side.

Speaker: She's like, you have to go.

Speaker: You are ruining this for me.

Speaker: You're ruining this for other people.

Speaker: I'm like, I'm sorry.

Speaker: I'm not trying to.

Speaker: Please say you went home and like a glitter bombed yourself.

Speaker: And it's like, yeah.

Speaker: No, no.

Speaker: I just, I, I went to the concession stand, got me a refill of popcorn and I just, you know, just kind of chilled out.

Speaker: Wait, did you just go into another movie?

Speaker: Cause that's what I would have done.

Speaker: I nearly did.

Speaker: I was really close.

Speaker: I was just glad not everybody was booing me as I was walking out of the theater.

Speaker: Cause I didn't mean to be disruptive.

Speaker: I'm not the type that talks or takes calls, but I was just, I couldn't handle it.

Speaker: There's gotta be some Marvel movie showing sometime.

Speaker: Right, exactly.

Speaker: It'd be fine.

Speaker: So that was the first thing I've been banned from.

Speaker: The second thing I've been banned from is I'm not allowed...

Speaker: to watch any horror movies with her.

Speaker: If I've had more than two beers, like I'm not allowed.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Why is that?

Speaker: Because apparently it's like, yeah, well, yeah.

Speaker: It's like, I'm gizmo after like eating, you know, food after midnight, I just turn into like just this ultimate, just clear, feral creature.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Well, I'm like a clairvoyant when it comes to like horror movies and I have a couple of beers and

Speaker: And at the same time, I cannot control my laughter either.

Speaker: Everything is funny to me.

Speaker: So apparently I ruined what was supposed to be a very scary movie.

Speaker: And she was legit like mad about it.

Speaker: I was having the greatest time though.

Speaker: The first 60 minutes of that movie was lit, but apparently for her, it was not.

Speaker: Do you remember what movie that was?

Speaker: No, I have no idea, but I know it was fun.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It was that good.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think it was actually, I think it was the, um, the conjuring.

Speaker: It was one of those.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Gotcha.

Speaker: It had the, it had the doll thing that was running around for like one scene or something where it was behind glass.

Speaker: And I, and I, yeah, I'm not really into horror.

Speaker: So I, I, I can't really,

Speaker: You just got to have a couple of beers.

Speaker: It's excellent.

Speaker: It's fine.

Speaker: I'll just throw back some Mountain Dews and call it good.

Speaker: Has that movie Megan being pushed on you as well?

Speaker: I get on Instagram and the next day I know it's like, watch Megan.

Speaker: I don't know if that's

Speaker: So I got to watch that.

Speaker: My wife let me watch that with her because it was it was advertised as a comedy horror movie or a horror comedy.

Speaker: So that was my in right there.

Speaker: It was fine.

Speaker: It was supposed to be funny.

Speaker: You could laugh at it because.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I did.

Speaker: And she laughed, too.

Speaker: And we had a great time.

Speaker: That's a happy marriage right there.

Speaker: You make sure that if you're going to watch a horror movie, you have a two drink minimum before you walked into the show.

Speaker: Luckily now it's, I just watch everything at home before, before I knew how to game the system.

Speaker: So do you guys have like movie theaters around you to where they have a bar attached to it and they give you like a 16 or 32 ounce drink with it that has like some weird name that's associated with the movie that you're watching?

Speaker: Heavens no.

Speaker: We're in Utah.

Speaker: Does that exist in Utah?

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Dude, this isn't Louisiana.

Speaker: We don't have drive-through liquor stores.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: What are you talking about?

Speaker: We have drive-thru soda shops.

Speaker: That is true.

Speaker: Ain't nobody going to be smuggling in 64 ounces of liquor into a movie.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Mixology outside of Utah is you mix your alcohol here in Utah.

Speaker: It's seriously a giant soda shack where they mix all these flavors.

Speaker: Which flavor do you want in your Diet Coke?

Speaker: Do you want it to taste like a s'mores or a chocolate cheesecake?

Speaker: Do you want dirty, which is coconut.

Speaker: That tells you how wild Utah is.

Speaker: You guys are lit.

Speaker: You want a dirty drink?

Speaker: Oh, he's got coconut in it.

Speaker: We're going to take the zero out of it.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: We're going full sugar.

Speaker: It sounds like Tom.

Speaker: So you basically just go to the bar that's adjacent to the movie theater and then... No, no, no, no.

Speaker: The bar was in the theater, right?

Speaker: Oh, wow.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: It was in the theater.

Speaker: So the trick was is you would have their 32-ounce.

Speaker: It was called Darkseid.

Speaker: That was the drink, right?

Speaker: It was based off Star Wars and all that.

Speaker: You would have that drink.

Speaker: They had a two drink minimum, right?

Speaker: Then they would cut you off.

Speaker: But what they didn't do was once you tabbed out and went to the movie theater, the waiters came back to you there.

Speaker: Oh, and they, it's like a clean slate.

Speaker: You just got a mulligan.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: They're good to go.

Speaker: There is a theater in downtown Salt Lake called broo v's.

Speaker: So that, and similar, but yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So there you go.

Speaker: See, now you guys know that's the trick right there.

Speaker: I'm handing out.

Speaker: I think that's the only way I'd watch Megan.

Speaker: If I were, if I were slipped a drink.

Speaker: Well,

Speaker: I don't like horror movies, so I don't know why it keeps being pushed on me to watch this movie.

Speaker: And I'm like, you don't, you don't watch any horror movies at all.

Speaker: Not really.

Speaker: So my wife talks through, she doesn't like to get, she doesn't like to get scared during the movie.

Speaker: So she will talk the whole movie.

Speaker: That's the way you watch a horror movie.

Speaker: Seriously.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That that's okay.

Speaker: However, I will say that I have some friends who they went, they said the one thing you have to do is go to a horror movie in the South because it is like audience participation.

Speaker: 100% can confirm.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And it's just like, oh, wow.

Speaker: That would actually make it kind of funny.

Speaker: The most lit crowd I've ever been associated with.

Speaker: I was in college and we went to go see the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Speaker: And this is like the Jessica Biel version, right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I'm saying this is like a dingy theater.

Speaker: I probably shouldn't have been here.

Speaker: I went with like our whole baseball team and our softball team and part of the basketball team.

Speaker: We go to this area.

Speaker: And it's like anything else you could tell there was, there was a smell of a certain plant in the air.

Speaker: And so you just knew you were like, what am I getting myself into?

Speaker: And instantly, like everybody's standing up cheering, everybody's yelling, you're going to die mother.

Speaker: Like, I mean, it is just wild.

Speaker: And I don't remember even hearing them say one thing because that theater wasn't quiet at all for the whole entire movie.

Speaker: But it's the most entertaining night at the movies that I've ever been a part of.

Speaker: Except for Twilight and getting kicked out of the theater by my own wife.

Speaker: But other than that, it was great.

Speaker: Oh, my goodness.

Speaker: We're talking about pinball, right?

Speaker: We are.

Speaker: We are getting so off topic.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So we've talked.

Speaker: We've talked.

Speaker: We've talked about GTF.

Speaker: We talked about food fighters.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: We've talked about multimorphic.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Tangentially.

Speaker: I'm sure we'll circle around at some point and discuss these.

Speaker: JJP at one point in time said saddle up to our table or something like that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: They put out a teaser.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: On Facebook.

Speaker: With a cover on Facebook.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think that was their teaser.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Maybe.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I love though how everyone's thinking this is Harry Potter because Jersey Jack.

Speaker: That's a total troll.

Speaker: There's no chance.

Speaker: Like that.

Speaker: You cannot keep that under wraps.

Speaker: Everybody.

Speaker: When, when pirates of the Caribbean were coming out, people are like, Oh, do you think it's this?

Speaker: And that was just a total cover.

Speaker: And they're like, yeah, no, it's totally pirates.

Speaker: And there's zero chance that this is anything other than the Godfather.

Speaker: And everybody's hoping it's not the Godfather three, especially with that teaser, that teaser confirmed.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: So there was actually, I don't know if you guys have read the comments.

Speaker: There were people that at least I've seen this on Reddit and I've seen this on a couple other message boards.

Speaker: there were people that were legitimately pissed about Jack touting Harry Potter, just kind of like teasing it.

Speaker: And then they do this.

Speaker: They were just like, I don't trust it.

Speaker: I can't, why would they do this?

Speaker: Yada, yada, yada.

Speaker: And I'm just like, man, it's just, I mean, but it got people wondering all of a sudden, but it's like misdirect, you know?

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: We know that I guarantee it's all about money, right?

Speaker: The answer to all your questions is money.

Speaker: And so at some point,

Speaker: it will make sense for the Harry Potter license to want to do something in pinball.

Speaker: I mean, come on, they've done lunch boxes.

Speaker: They've done online games.

Speaker: Like you can't tell me they're too highbrow for pinball.

Speaker: Like I, I guarantee JK Rowlands doesn't even know anything about pinball other than the Tommy, like the who Tommy.

Speaker: Um, and so like, you know, she does not have a vendetta against pinball.

Speaker: There's no chance.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But

Speaker: It's eventually something like that will happen.

Speaker: Now, I don't really care.

Speaker: I actually checked out of Harry Potter and like the the fifth movie, because that was when I was like, really, these kids in an after school club are are taking out these elite wizards that are supposed to be like making everybody shake.

Speaker: But these kids who have like an after school program between their algebra and their toad licking.

Speaker: They were able to train up for this.

Speaker: So I was like, I'm done.

Speaker: But at some point, it'll be done.

Speaker: It'll be done.

Speaker: I don't think Jersey Jack has Harry Potter just because Joe Kamenkao.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, Joe Kamenkao is so – he's like, if anyone's going to get their license, it's me.

Speaker: That man, he gets what he wants.

Speaker: We did an interview with him, and he has quite the sway outside the pinball world.

Speaker: I've learned that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: So that's that like Godfather.

Speaker: Godfather's coming out to be determined what, what it's going to be.

Speaker: Just.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: However, I will point this out.

Speaker: Let's do a quick theme recap though.

Speaker: If you were to pick a theme that you're excited for, and I'm just going to, I'm just going to throw out the themes and you can just say yes or no.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Foo fighters.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Galactic tank force.

Speaker: Meh.

Speaker: I'm getting myself excited for it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Before seeing the teaser, super excited after seeing the teaser.

Speaker: Confused.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: A little worried.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: And then, um, the Scott, the Nisi title for multimorphic.

Speaker: Interesting.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Um, intrigued.

Speaker: Godfather.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Means nothing to me.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And I will say the movie.

Speaker: That's okay.

Speaker: That's even pushing my early childhood.

Speaker: Like this is like.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Originally.

Speaker: So we're really catering to the crowd that either loves the Godfather.

Speaker: Or you're like going for the Led Zeppelin crowd.

Speaker: Because how many people are saying, wow, I really want to... And Jersey Jack pinball machines, they're super expensive now.

Speaker: So it's $15,000.

Speaker: How many of them are going to get that?

Speaker: You can get the Star Wars Home Pen Edition for around $5,000.

Speaker: Does this do better or worse than Toy Story?

Speaker: I think worse.

Speaker: Just from thinking.

Speaker: Toy Story is like that family game room thing.

Speaker: And we talked about this before.

Speaker: Toy Story is actually just fine.

Speaker: Like the game is fine.

Speaker: Um, it's not super deep.

Speaker: It's not super complex, but I guarantee that if it were a different price, I would have one, but that price was okay.

Speaker: That's not for me.

Speaker: That price point is not for me.

Speaker: And if that's really the direction that, um, that Jersey Jack is going to be continually going, I don't think I want a $15,000 Godfather pinball machine when I could have a, a Foo Fighters, which is more of a fun, like party, party game.

Speaker: which is why they make party games because you know, it's a, it's, it gets your batteries going.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: I can say what, what worries me the most about Godfather coming out is,

Speaker: is that compared to anything else that JJP has came out with or anything else anybody else has come in, I've never really experienced this much of a lukewarm response to a theme.

Speaker: Like even like Bond, there was a lot of people that are just kind of like, I'm not sure.

Speaker: But even Godfather, it's almost non-existent from everybody I talk to.

Speaker: Bond, you have dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun.

Speaker: People recognize that.

Speaker: With Godfather, you have this instrumental track that feels like you're walking into a cigar lounge.

Speaker: Yeah, it's almost like in order for this game to really hit it, it's almost like that it has, maybe it just takes place in the Godfather universe, but it's a different spin.

Speaker: Like Jurassic Park?

Speaker: Yeah, maybe that's the direction you go.

Speaker: Wouldn't that be just Mafia then?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then you probably just call it.

Speaker: Well, Godfather probably has a bigger name though.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, to be fair.

Speaker: So this isn't a Gottlieb where you have gold wings and, and right.

Speaker: You know, Hollywood heat as opposed to Miami vice.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I'm just not sure about it.

Speaker: I mean, it's just, so I guess this leads back.

Speaker: And of course we hear a lot of, a lot of different people debate on themes and all that, but obviously outside of Harry Potter, like what's a couple of absolute banger themes that

Speaker: That need to come out that if you guys heard that either Jersey Jack or Stern were coming out with this theme that you absolutely would have to play it like no matter what.

Speaker: Super Mario Brothers. 100%.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's, that's what I would want.

Speaker: I would want Legend of Zelda.

Speaker: I would want Legend of Zelda.

Speaker: Legend of Zelda would be fine, but I mean, Super Mario Brothers, that can, the movies coming out, which looks fantastic from the, from the teaser trailers.

Speaker: It looks fun.

Speaker: It looks campy.

Speaker: It, it plays into multiple generations.

Speaker: And so that would be my go-to theme.

Speaker: If you could do that, it would be a Super Mario Brothers.

Speaker: Perfect.

Speaker: So Josh, what about you?

Speaker: What's yours?

Speaker: Scott, I'm up there with Scott.

Speaker: Super Mario Brothers.

Speaker: Legend of Zelda.

Speaker: That just seems, you know, I wasn't huge into Pokemon, but I think Pokemon would be a great theme.

Speaker: Movie wise, I just, I'm trying to think off the top of my head.

Speaker: I just, I don't know.

Speaker: Tenacious being the pick of destiny.

Speaker: I will say there's three themes that by every stretch from every bit of SEO I've seen, every bit of just asking, does this theme exist?

Speaker: And this is just from the common casual, right?

Speaker: Not even the hardcore pinball person.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: There's three major themes that I feel like would just do absolute gangbusters if they came out.

Speaker: So one of them, obviously Mario Brothers.

Speaker: And I think if they did it with the new movie that's coming out, you do it in that type of artwork.

Speaker: The animation is fantastic.

Speaker: It's like Super Mario World, which is 3D.

Speaker: That would be awesome.

Speaker: Yeah, you'd absolutely crush it.

Speaker: And I'll preface this with knowing that obviously it's hard to get certain license and hard to get assets and all that.

Speaker: So that's the first one.

Speaker: So you're you're dead on with that, Scott.

Speaker: OK, number two.

Speaker: Into the Spider-Verse.

Speaker: I think this pin, so I get it.

Speaker: People are just like another Marvel, another superhero.

Speaker: But this is different, right?

Speaker: This is a highly popular movie.

Speaker: If you look at how many views the trailer's gotten on YouTube, people are responding to it.

Speaker: Plus you have a different character, right?

Speaker: That's Miles Morales.

Speaker: So you got your minority character that's very, very popular.

Speaker: Plus they're bringing back Gwen Stacy too.

Speaker: So there's another...

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: And not only that, you can have a backdoor hip hop theme pin.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: With the way that with the music.

Speaker: So you got the animations, you got the music, you got the different characters that is it travel.

Speaker: You know, this character travels throughout the Spider-Verse.

Speaker: So you can pull in different Spider-Men from everywhere.

Speaker: I think that that theme makes a lot of sense for pinball.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: So that's, that's number two.

Speaker: We get asked about that a lot.

Speaker: And number three is an oldie, but a goodie that needs an update in that South park.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: No, I are.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: By far.

Speaker: I am shocked how many people want this pin.

Speaker: Cause the pin is, I mean, we all know what, how South park plays terrible, but people still want to play it just because they see South park.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: So if somebody did an update at South park,

Speaker: My God, it would do, it would do a lot of business and a lot of great business.

Speaker: You're right.

Speaker: And I, I think that I'm stern to the other one.

Speaker: I, it would make sense if they were to able to, to bring that back and do, you know, kind of like I'm data East at Jurassic park and then stern to Jurassic park.

Speaker: If they did a similar treatment, just had a different take on it.

Speaker: Just give South park to Jack danger.

Speaker: I mean, we've seen, he does.

Speaker: That looks weird.

Speaker: That looks perfect.

Speaker: I mean, there you go right there.

Speaker: And the call out, I feel like the character or the,

Speaker: The, uh, the head guys of South park too, they, they do all kinds of different like video games and everything.

Speaker: I mean, they do a lot of different stuff.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: Like, I feel like there could be so much fun be had with that pin and you know, the current buying demographic where it's shifting to, cause it is shifting dramatically more than what people realize after COVID.

Speaker: I feel like that's the sweet spot right there.

Speaker: I mean, it would just be, it would be a big deal.

Speaker: I would buy a South Park episode if they had the the World of Warcraft as a mode.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It's a treasure trove of different modes.

Speaker: I mean, you would just have to be like, OK, look, people are going to get offended.

Speaker: But it is what it is.

Speaker: It's South Park.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Roll with it.

Speaker: And come on.

Speaker: They made the Sopranos.

Speaker: I mean, there's a mode that just swears at you.

Speaker: Come on.

Speaker: excuse me, last, the 2010s was the first time there wasn't a Playboy made for the last three decades, four decades.

Speaker: Speaking of... There was a Ronelli though.

Speaker: Yeah, there's a lot of... That still shakes my head every time.

Speaker: I'm like...

Speaker: But the point being is, I think Guns N' Roses has proved it, and obviously Godfather will show that there's still a demographic or part of the market that wants adult-themed machines.

Speaker: And adults are buying these games, so they're the ones that are going to decide whether they want it in their arcade.

Speaker: it's basically the same thing as video games, right?

Speaker: Like I'm buying Nintendo because that is a theme appropriate.

Speaker: And, and it is G for my kids like that.

Speaker: That's what I'm buying.

Speaker: I'm not buying them grand theft auto, but guess what?

Speaker: They sold a boatload of grand theft autos to a different demographic.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It's like movies.

Speaker: You're, there is a reason why there's, there are movies outside of the Pixar universe.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: because people want to go see those movies.

Speaker: I'm not part of that demographic, but I'm also, I don't pretend that I am the, I am the cross section of all the demographic and pinball.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I, I, uh, every one of those themes I think would, would sell gangbusters.

Speaker: And I think the miles Morales would be a great take on, um, it's kind of, and I know it's a, it's, it's a little bit of a re theme of a Stan Lee character, um,

Speaker: But it is a modern take on it.

Speaker: And so it doesn't feel like you're pulling from a character that was invented in the 60s.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: It's a relevant character right now.

Speaker: And it's different than the MCU.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I'm sure that character is going to show up at some point in the actual movies and everything through their version of it.

Speaker: But now that the rumors are rolling around that the live action Spider-Men are going to be showing up into the Spider-Verse 2, it's like there's going to be a lot of attention.

Speaker: On this brand.

Speaker: And it's just it's going to get bigger and bigger and bigger.

Speaker: Well, and they greenlit what Andrew Garfield getting another movie and Tobey Maguire getting another movie.

Speaker: Spider-Man's definitely going to blow up here in the next one, the next five years.

Speaker: It seems to be the hottest property right now at Marvel.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: Well, even the news was talking about like the movie news websites and all that, that they're planning on having Tom Holland, Spider-Man kind of take the lead.

Speaker: Or be one of the main leads for the new Avengers movies and all this.

Speaker: So they're definitely going to push that character hardcore.

Speaker: So it's like, why not take the low hanging fruit?

Speaker: So I'm going to ask, cause we're starting to run out of time.

Speaker: Well, we kind of have, but I'm going to ask, is it a wise decision that everyone is releasing, dropping everything right now?

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I'm going to answer first and then I'm going to send it back to you, Josh.

Speaker: And then I'm actually going to send someone who has experience in selling pinball machines and see what he thinks.

Speaker: So, okay.

Speaker: I will say that is the, is the answer, is it good or bad?

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: And I know that's kind of a pass, but let me tell you what I'm thinking, is that there is buzz for pinball, especially with Foo Fighter driving the bus on all of these things.

Speaker: And so you're going to get people who come in and...

Speaker: If you don't release now, then do you really think you're getting oxygen to your fire two months down the road?

Speaker: If you release Galactic Hang Force.

Speaker: If you're doing it both at the same time, and we know people... I am not the guy who needs something unique.

Speaker: I have a Ford F-150, which is the...

Speaker: The most selling truck in the United States.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I don't really care if I'm unique.

Speaker: If it works, it works for me.

Speaker: And so there, but there are people who are like, ah, everybody's getting Foo Fighters.

Speaker: I'm going to get that because it's different and I can play Foo Fighters anywhere.

Speaker: So I think that at least it's not necessarily, I don't think Stern really cares because I don't think it really affects their sales.

Speaker: But there is a potential for different companies to piggyback onto the wave of Foo Fighters and say, oh, Foo Fighters is coming out.

Speaker: Oh, what else is coming out?

Speaker: So I will say that it's kind of, it's a yes, it's bad and good, but they're going to get more buzz by releasing at the same time than they would if they waited.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: And I think you're right there.

Speaker: I think the other thing is too, there's only so much limited money, right?

Speaker: At least for the people I talk to.

Speaker: And with this all coming out at the same time, I think it gives an opportunity to, oh yeah, I'll separate my money here or there.

Speaker: versus, because all these games are going to go out quick, right?

Speaker: Stern has proven they can produce in two weeks.

Speaker: I mean, Bonds and Anomaly, we're taking that off the table.

Speaker: But all the other releases, it's been within two weeks, they're getting them into arcades and they're getting to people's homes.

Speaker: And then with Toy Story, JJP proved they produce a lot of games and then when they release, they're getting them in within days, like two, three days after they unveil.

Speaker: So if that's the same with Godfather,

Speaker: These games are going to be right into homes.

Speaker: American Pinball proved this along with Legends of Valhalla.

Speaker: They had games produced.

Speaker: They were getting into homes.

Speaker: They had them in arcades when they revealed.

Speaker: So money's going to go out, and it's going to go out quick.

Speaker: I think...

Speaker: That's what you have to do with this is you're going to be fighting Stern.

Speaker: You're going to be fighting JJP or American or whatever.

Speaker: But it's better to do it now, my feeling, than in two, three months when the money's all gone, the refund money's gone, and then you reveal May, June, July, and no one wants to buy your pinball machine because they spent it on three other ones.

Speaker: that they now have to either get rid of because it's in their home.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Instead of where it used to be, we're announcing it.

Speaker: It's the only one that's getting it into two weeks.

Speaker: You might have your game in three months.

Speaker: I really think this is the only way to go.

Speaker: And the great part is, is we all win because they're showing it now, but a lot of this is all going to be at TPF.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And the other interesting part too is all the themes are different.

Speaker: You've got Foo Fighters, which is aliens and a band.

Speaker: You've got Godfather, which is a movie from the 70s.

Speaker: That's an American Film Institute classic.

Speaker: You've got an unlicensed theme in Galactic Team, the Tank Force.

Speaker: You've got Project Carbon, whatever that's supposed to be from Scott Denisey, but it's probably going to be an electric dance theme, Brutality in Your Face.

Speaker: And then we're hearing Pulp Fiction is the fifth one, which is a cult classic from the 90s.

Speaker: There's not, I feel like these are all very overlap.

Speaker: There's a lot of parallel lanes going on.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: There's a, there's a lot of Venn diagrams that do not touch in this one.

Speaker: And do you think that if, if you have it now, then there's a potential for a few people who are all in the same buying things like, well, he's getting that.

Speaker: I'm going to get that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Possibly, but I think we see it with CGC and Cactus Canyon.

Speaker: I think the train has left the station on that one.

Speaker: People still want it, but it's not as high.

Speaker: I don't think the train has left the station.

Speaker: That's the problem.

Speaker: My point being is there's no tickets to the train.

Speaker: You can't buy a ticket to the train because the train is broken.

Speaker: But it's taken so long to get those out that the hype's kind of gone and people, there's still people that want them.

Speaker: The problem is, is the new trains are coming into the station.

Speaker: That's what we're aiming for.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: What are you thinking, Travis?

Speaker: Well, as a pinball fan, I'm super excited about all this coming out at the same time.

Speaker: If I'm working with one of these companies, and I'm not spooky, spooky, I'm happy, I'm okay, it's came out.

Speaker: Stern, happy, I'm okay, it's came out.

Speaker: Everybody else, I might be a little bit nervous at this point, right?

Speaker: Just because it's, yeah, you're going to be competing for the same spot, but the problem is you have to run your race, right?

Speaker: You can't, if you start scheduling around other people, it just, it makes it very difficult in terms of keeping your business running and keeping cashflow going, keeping projects on time.

Speaker: I mean, that would make it incredibly difficult.

Speaker: And it's just, it's hard to pivot back and forth like that.

Speaker: I see this more or less that what I hope is that the companies that are debuting a game at TPF, assuming the games, which nobody, I don't think anybody's said yet that they're debuting a game at TPF.

Speaker: We're just all making that assumption.

Speaker: Like, is there anybody truly doing that?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I don't know about debuting.

Speaker: At least four of them have teased.

Speaker: And so what I would personally, what I would do, what I would be pushing for hardcore is to do something that would get people talking, right?

Speaker: The most make the biggest splash.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And I think the biggest splash that could be made is

Speaker: is not saying you're debuting at TPF or anything like that, right?

Speaker: You just, you have your, your thing scheduled for, I guess, for people to come think that you're talking or whatever, right?

Speaker: But people are kind of assuming, oh, you're going to show off the game.

Speaker: But then imagine if not only do you debut the game, you say, oh, by the way, we have 10 new in box right now and they're going to be sold this weekend.

Speaker: You can take it home right now today.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Like instantly you become relevant in the conversation without even having to move a ton of units.

Speaker: Like imagine if Jersey Jack did that with Godfather to where we're all wondering, okay, what about this theme, this and that.

Speaker: But they come out and they're like, oh, here's the game.

Speaker: And then behind this curtain, oh, by the way, here's five to 10 games right here.

Speaker: New in box that you can play.

Speaker: Because even like, think about when Alice Cooper debuted a few years ago, everybody was waiting in line for it.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: For that, for that spooky game and watching it get willed in like, oh, we get to play here.

Speaker: I mean, I, I think it would be something special if somebody was able to get a game in box without it being announced and

Speaker: that it was going to be sold right then and there.

Speaker: And then they go ahead and put it up for sale.

Speaker: I think then you capture a lot of attention.

Speaker: You capture money early on, you get people talking.

Speaker: I think that's a, that's a huge momentum.

Speaker: So you could kind of turn this, this thing upside down on its head.

Speaker: It's like, okay, that company over there, they're debuting their game.

Speaker: Hey, it's there.

Speaker: Hey, guess what?

Speaker: We're debuting our game and you can take it home.

Speaker: Like right now.

Speaker: I don't know if that's possible, but that's just what I would have been pushing for.

Speaker: If you want to be first, right.

Speaker: If you're saying, well, you can either wait for your Foo Fighters premium on the second run six months away or three months or four months away, or you can take home this, this beauty right now.

Speaker: And I wonder if Jersey Jack might do that because with Toy Story, they came out with that game so quickly.

Speaker: I think it was like, what, the next day?

Speaker: I think I had one within 48 hours.

Speaker: Yeah, I was going to say you had yours less than 48 hours.

Speaker: Yeah, it was quick.

Speaker: And so something like that, that's unique that they were able to do that.

Speaker: So if they could turn right around and just literally debut the game and then get it sold to where not only can you play it here, you could take it home with you.

Speaker: I mean, that'd get people talking.

Speaker: I don't think that's been done at a show, at least not in recent memory from a modern pinball company.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I, yeah, I don't know about that.

Speaker: That's a good question.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Well, I'm going to leave it at that.

Speaker: Uh, I do want to bring up one thing.

Speaker: When we had Joel on, we did a top 100.

Speaker: It was Scott versus Joel.

Speaker: Scott had star Wars.

Speaker: Joel had pin bot.

Speaker: Travis, do you want to take a stab at think who won that one?

Speaker: So this is where they both had to describe it and fight for the machine and all that.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: Definitely Scott.

Speaker: Like Joel, the way that Joel was describing, I'm sorry, people would only vote for him if they felt sorry for him.

Speaker: And I gave an amazing, accurate description on Star Wars.

Speaker: Oh, my goodness.

Speaker: You did.

Speaker: It was perfect.

Speaker: So actually, Scott lost by like a landslide.

Speaker: You need to see everybody just feel sorry for Joel.

Speaker: So this is the one that caught me was, I choose Star Wars just because Scott Larson did not want to win.

Speaker: Sorry, Joel.

Speaker: That was...

Speaker: Just, yeah.

Speaker: I will say that you chose some games that I have very strong non-interest in.

Speaker: I did not choose them.

Speaker: The random number generator.

Speaker: Yes, I know.

Speaker: If we had enough time, you know what?

Speaker: We should just do another one right now.

Speaker: Let's do it.

Speaker: I'm game.

Speaker: Let's go.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Let's do this.

Speaker: I got extra time.

Speaker: Segment steal.

Speaker: We've got another couple minutes to do this.

Speaker: Let's hurry and do it.

Speaker: We got another triple drain guy.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Travis versus Scott.

Speaker: Loser kid three.

Speaker: Loser kid three.

Speaker: Okay, Scott, since you let Joel go first last time, I'm making you go first this time.

Speaker: Ready?

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Your number is 87.

Speaker: Is that what we got last time?

Speaker: Oh, my gosh.

Speaker: Is it?

Speaker: Did you refresh?

Speaker: I told you it was rigged for Joel.

Speaker: It was rigged for Joel.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Top one.

Speaker: I'm going to the top one.

Speaker: It is pit bot.

Speaker: No, we're re-rolling this.

Speaker: Oh, my gosh.

Speaker: Seriously.

Speaker: No, no, no, no.

Speaker: 23.

Speaker: How about that?

Speaker: How about that?

Speaker: Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: All right, Travis, you ready?

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Remind me of the rules.

Speaker: What do I got to do?

Speaker: I just like bash on it.

Speaker: 18 is your number.

Speaker: So the first one is you're going to talk about your game.

Speaker: You're welcome to use any resource if you want to use the flyer itself or if you just want to talk from personal experience.

Speaker: You got 30 seconds to talk about your game.

Speaker: Then second round, you can either talk your game up more or you can bash the other person's game.

Speaker: Third round is closing remarks.

Speaker: And then we'll throw it to the audience that is listening right now.

Speaker: And they can vote to say who has the better argument.

Speaker: It's not the better machine because I noticed that in the comments was like, oh, you know, Star Wars sucks.

Speaker: It's pinballed all day.

Speaker: And anywho.

Speaker: That's what we're trying to do.

Speaker: So, Scott, yours was, what did you say again, Scott?

Speaker: It's Willy Wonka.

Speaker: Willy Wonka.

Speaker: Oh, this is the Battle of the JJPs.

Speaker: So, Travis has Guns N' Roses.

Speaker: GNR.

Speaker: GNR.

Speaker: They're both shaking their heads on this one.

Speaker: GTR.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: I've got my stop-ups watched up and ready.

Speaker: I will say time when it's time to stop.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Because obviously when I said... You said, Joel's like, oh, I got time.

Speaker: I'll keep talking for 45 seconds.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: So Scott's going first and he's talking up his game, right?

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: I'll be quiet.

Speaker: Go.

Speaker: Okay, this actually is probably one of Pat Lawler's better games.

Speaker: I don't know if it doesn't capture the same thing as like an Addams Family or a Twilight Zone, but we're in a different era.

Speaker: This is a modern take on that game.

Speaker: It actually is a very good shooting game.

Speaker: Theme integration is fantastic on this.

Speaker: And the shots actually feel very smooth.

Speaker: It's not as difficult as Dialed In, so it is a little more accessible.

Speaker: And this is an awesome game that you can have for the family, and they'll come over and they'll want to play it.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Give you a good example of what we're doing, Travis.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: I'm convinced.

Speaker: I need a Willy Wonka right now.

Speaker: Ouch.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: You ready, Travis?

Speaker: 30 seconds.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: And go.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: If you love playing with a ton of pinballs nonstop and just chimp flipping and silverback flipping and the game never ending Jersey Jack guns and roses is for you.

Speaker: Now, if you can avoid getting a seizure due to all the light show that happens.

Speaker: And if your ears don't start bleeding, cause let's face it, it's guns and roses.

Speaker: I mean, sorry, it is what it is.

Speaker: But if you can get through all that and you play with all the balls, my God,

Speaker: Fantastic game blows Willy Wonka out the water.

Speaker: I don't even know why I'm wasting my breath anymore.

Speaker: I can see how this one's going to go already.

Speaker: My game is so much better.

Speaker: I'm going to win.

Speaker: Your game has way more balls than mine does.

Speaker: That's definitely true.

Speaker: It's guns and roses.

Speaker: You got the balls.

Speaker: You got the balls.

Speaker: If you're playing this game, because my gosh, you have like 30 balls that you can get.

Speaker: And you can keep draining nonstop and you can keep going on this.

Speaker: However, if you want like the total immersion experience, then yes, Guns N' Roses is your game.

Speaker: If you actually want to be able to get into, you know, a legend of design like Pat Lawler, who will be able to do it.

Speaker: I mean, this is Eric's second game.

Speaker: Like, come on, he still hasn't proved himself.

Speaker: He cannot say he's better than Pat right now.

Speaker: Pat has like 500 games.

Speaker: Okay, time.

Speaker: You just went out of the gut.

Speaker: You're just like going out of the chute, right?

Speaker: You're just like, I'm just doing this.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: Let's hear your rebuttal, Travis.

Speaker: You know what the simple rebuttal is, is Willy Wonka creeps me the F out and it should creep you guys out as well.

Speaker: Let's face facts.

Speaker: It's not the Michael Jackson one.

Speaker: He has a factory with little Oompa Loompas.

Speaker: Those things creep me out.

Speaker: Literally, he lost a girl in the freaking river or a kid in the river.

Speaker: Remember that?

Speaker: I like who knows where that kid went probably in the back of a milk carton.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: And the machine, it has like super spinner and, and you collect chocolate bars and stuff like that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Time.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: So did you watch this with Monica and she kicked you out like twilight because you were like ruining the horror suspense of it?

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: That's actually true.

Speaker: We tried to watch the newest Willy Wonka because she loves Johnny Depp.

Speaker: It is nearly unwatchable.

Speaker: You're like, what am I watching?

Speaker: Did you know those squirrels in the new Willy Wonka were like trained squirrels?

Speaker: They weren't CGI.

Speaker: How weird is that?

Speaker: That's pretty weird.

Speaker: I didn't even know you could train a squirrel.

Speaker: I didn't know that either.

Speaker: I would have voted for Willy Wonka.

Speaker: Pat Lawler would have trained a squirrel.

Speaker: He rethemed it as no good squirrels.

Speaker: All right, Scott, give us your conclusion.

Speaker: Go.

Speaker: Okay, in all sincerity, Willy Wonka is a fantastic game.

Speaker: The rule set is very accessible.

Speaker: The shots are very good.

Speaker: It actually has that feel of a classic Pat Lawler game.

Speaker: And so if you are a really big fan of that feel, the Twilight Zone, the Addams Family, it actually fits right in with that, but it is a theme that people find beloved.

Speaker: All right, Tom.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Give us your closing remarks, Travis.

Speaker: My game actually has Slash on it.

Speaker: That's all I got to say.

Speaker: I mean, you're comparing Slash and Willy Wonka, right?

Speaker: I mean, last time I checked, Slash didn't lose any kids in a chocolate river.

Speaker: So it's perfectly fine.

Speaker: It also has an animated skeleton sex scene.

Speaker: So...

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: That's fair.

Speaker: I can't defend that.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Oh my goodness.

Speaker: We may have to put a PG rating on this one.

Speaker: It does have that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: On the adult mode.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: On the adult.

Speaker: Now I will say my friend does have a guns and roses and I actually do have fun playing it.

Speaker: It I've always compared it to, it is the most immersive experience in a pinball machine you can have playing that game.

Speaker: It really does feel like you're at a concert.

Speaker: It's a fun party game.

Speaker: If you, if you have it at home and you crank up the volume and you turn the lights out.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It's a fun party game.

Speaker: I enjoy it for that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And the skeleton sex scenes as well.

Speaker: I played Wonka, got some really good time on it like a couple months ago.

Speaker: Like I played it here and there.

Speaker: I still do not like the upper flipper shot.

Speaker: I just, it's too hard to see.

Speaker: This is the challenge with Lawler is you either are a Lawler fan or you're not.

Speaker: There doesn't seem to be a lot of in-between.

Speaker: People have nostalgia for Adam's family because that seems to be the gateway pin of my generation.

Speaker: But I actually never played pinball until like 10 years ago.

Speaker: So I don't have that connection with Adam's family or even Twilight Zone.

Speaker: I have a Twilight Zone, but it's one that's been at someone else's house for a while.

Speaker: And I don't really miss it.

Speaker: So I'm...

Speaker: I appreciate Wonka for what it is.

Speaker: I am, I am not the person who in, who loves the, the Lawler approach to games.

Speaker: It's way too much trap and shoot.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So.

Speaker: Alrighty.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: I think we've kept Travis up late enough.

Speaker: He's already had 25 plus hours of pinball.

Speaker: Oh my gosh.

Speaker: No, I enjoyed it.

Speaker: This is.

Speaker: Now I learned something new about Jersey Jack with the guns and roses.

Speaker: I completely forgot about that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That, that is for anybody wondering about getting guns and roses.

Speaker: There is a family mode in case you want to make sure it's a little less.

Speaker: You may have to put pasties on the, on the, uh,

Speaker: on the little slingshots.

Speaker: I forgot.

Speaker: It wasn't one of the patches.

Speaker: It was like a brawl and panties too, right?

Speaker: Patches.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I should have added that in.

Speaker: I fully forgot about that.

Speaker: I was, I was so stuck on talking about how Willy Wonka was a creep.

Speaker: I should have just went all in on the panties.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Willy Wonka is a total creep.

Speaker: And also you, the video is not of young Axel.

Speaker: It's kind of the,

Speaker: the older axle i mean yeah axles a little little past his prime than that but it's okay you know let's just say it seems like he's hit a few speed bumps going 100 miles an hour i'm telling you if you zoomed up on axle and you watched him you wouldn't know if you're watching that or goonies with mama what's her name mama fatelli or whatever it's true

Speaker: Oh my goodness.

Speaker: I can't look at this anymore.

Speaker: Actually, there's another thing that I'll show you.

Speaker: That's I'll just send it to you and you'll take a look at it.

Speaker: It's awesome.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I can accept that.

Speaker: Well, we thank you, Travis, for coming on.

Speaker: How, if you want someone to get ahold of you, where, where can we find you?

Speaker: Oh gosh, probably.

Speaker: Unfortunately, I think after this podcast, I'm probably going to get sent back to triple drain.

Speaker: So I guess, I guess you guys can find me there.

Speaker: I mean, yeah, it's, it's unfortunate.

Speaker: I apologize for Joel.

Speaker: I mean, Tom's great.

Speaker: I actually just realized Joel messaged us like 15 minutes ago and said, Hey, how'd it go?

Speaker: Oh, is he trying to join Joel on?

Speaker: Hey guys, let, let him on real quick.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then we'll just, yeah.

Speaker: I don't know if he's still up.

Speaker: He actually just said, no, he's still up.

Speaker: Tell him I'm not here.

Speaker: You guys have bleeps.

Speaker: You guys have bleeps, don't you?

Speaker: So we're going to, I put it in the, in the after, after stuff.

Speaker: So yeah, it doesn't bother me.

Speaker: I just want his reaction to this.

Speaker: If he shows up, already have the gear tore down.

Speaker: What a baby.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: I can just pick it up from right here.

Speaker: All right.

Speaker: Sounds good.

Speaker: And that's exactly why I need to live or leave triple drain right there.

Speaker: Unreliable.

Speaker: We're sending out the contract right now and we'll, we'll, we'll get you signed, signed and signed and trade, I guess.

Speaker: Cause you can get more of a, more of a deal if you sign and then trade like the super max deal.

Speaker: Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker: I mean, I know everybody jokes about trading me for Elwynn and all that, but it's fine.

Speaker: I'm like the knockoff version from overseas that comes back and it looks nothing like the original or anything like that.

Speaker: It's like the soap operas where they change out actors, but they for some reason get like some facial reconstruction.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Like Michael Jackson.

Speaker: Oh, geez.

Speaker: Is that what happened?

Speaker: His life was a soap opera.

Speaker: Well, we do appreciate you coming on, Travis.

Speaker: It's been great having you on.

Speaker: We'll have to have you on more often.

Speaker: This was this was awesome.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: If you want to get a hold of us, we are Loser Kitchen Ball podcast at gmail.com.

Speaker: We are on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Twitch, YouTube.

Speaker: Is that all of them?

Speaker: We're on everything now.

Speaker: And Scott's like, we need to do a YouTube video because apparently he wants people to see our face.

Speaker: So I don't know.

Speaker: We'll talk about it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Don't forget, live right now, you can get our shoes, you can get our shirt, and you know you want these for Texas Pinball Festival because you want to be the coolest kid at the party.

Speaker: So the coolest loser kid.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: Which will definitely be true because Josh and I are staying home with the kids while our wives go to concerts.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: So, so, all right, Scott, actually, no Travis, give us the last word.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: I, I don't know what to do with that.

Speaker: Um, bye.

Speaker: Foo fighters.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: Get all the Foo fighters.

Speaker: Bye.

Speaker: Bye.

Speaker: Bye.

Speaker: Shut up and sit down.

Speaker: Got it.

Speaker: All right, I'm here.

Speaker: Oh, cool.

Speaker: Hey, Joel.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Fuck you!

Speaker: I'm with Loser Kid now!

Speaker: Oh, that'll... We may have a family-friendly podcast.

Speaker: I don't think you... I think you forgot that.

Speaker: I will say when I'm listening to you guys, I do have to have the headphones on because otherwise my kids are going to drop a few F-bombs.

Speaker: Yeah, that's all Tom.

Speaker: I've got it recorded now.

Speaker: Well, you guys already know the answer, but Joel.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You've got Cactus Canyon there.

Speaker: Sure do.

Speaker: You've seen Cowboys.

Speaker: What are the pants that go over their pants called?

Speaker: Oh, pants that...

Speaker: Like the leather things that protect their- Yeah, chaps.

Speaker: Chaps.

Speaker: Chaps.

Speaker: So it's pronounced chaps?

Speaker: Yeah, it's chaps.

Speaker: Let me guess.

Speaker: So Travis said it like something completely- What the hell am I saying?

Speaker: You're the one that said it wrong.

Speaker: You're saying it wrong right now.

Speaker: Chaps?

Speaker: Is it?

Speaker: What is it?

Speaker: Chaps.

Speaker: Apparently they're French.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Chaps?

Speaker: Yeah, congrats.

Speaker: It is spelled- Yeah, the heck with that.

Speaker: It is spelled C-H-A-P-S.

Speaker: Nah.

Speaker: But it's short for chapareras.

Speaker: Sounds like he chapped your pants.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I'm going to stick with chaps.

Speaker: We're going to roll with that.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: So this is what, uh, this is the fun, the fun pit ball conversation you guys have been talking about.

Speaker: Yeah.