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Ep 103: Fighting Foos with Triple Drain
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Travis and Tom join us to talk Foo Fighters, GTF, Godfather, marketing and shiny vampires? Also don't miss our after outro clip!
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Podcast Introduction & Mishaps
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Thanks for tuning in.
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What?
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Oh, sorry.
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Did I just like mess it up already?
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Are we already recording?
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Yeah.
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I hit the start button.
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Kate, you know what?
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You're really close to losing your honorary third position.
Episode 103 Kick-off
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All right.
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Thanks for tuning into the loser kid pinball podcast.
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I'm probably going to leave that.
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We'll see what happens.
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We're on episode one Oh three.
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I am Josh Roop with me.
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My cohost as always, Scott Larson, I guess co-captain.
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Cause you know, captains are just as important as they are.
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Number two.
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And Oh my goodness.
Foo Fighters Pinball Release Discussion
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You know what?
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Foo fighters just came out.
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Scott, where do you, where did you buy food fighters?
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Wow.
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You know what?
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Okay.
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I will say that I, I was super unknown about like what to expect on this.
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Um, uh, I I'm on record in saying that I thought the Jurassic park home edition was actually fun.
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It was a lot of fun.
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Just, uh,
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However, it didn't really give you much to know exactly how much Jack could do with a full budget and a cornerstone game.
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Hold on.
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Where are you going with this?
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Do you want me to answer that?
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I asked you where you buy Foo Fighters from.
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Where I buy Foo Fighters from?
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Oh, wow.
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Okay.
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Sorry.
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I thought we were like jumping into Foo Fighters.
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It was crazy.
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Okay.
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This is a total amateur hour.
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Okay.
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If I were to get a Foo Fighters, and I probably will after watching that stream today, I would contact Zach and Nicole Manny at Flippin' Out Pinball.
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And they've always helped us out.
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They are sponsored of the show and we appreciate what they do.
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And I think their phone has been blown up with Foo Fighters.
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So all Foo, whatever Foo's you up, definitely call them.
Customer Service Praise for Pinball
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Definitely.
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And like I said earlier, I have been having issues with my Godzilla.
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Greg Bone has taken amazing care of me.
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He's walked me through all the technical skills I needed to properly diagnose my Godzilla.
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I got the part within two weeks.
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I just put them in two nights ago.
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The building is up and working again.
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I'm loving it.
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Seriously, you don't buy a company just for the product.
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It's also for the customer service.
Co-hosts and Community Engagement
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And with that in mind, we decided to bring someone else on from a different pinball company.
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literally the pinball company and I from Fox said he's pinball.
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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Travis.
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Yep.
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We had Joel last week on from triple drain.
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And so we, we decided to bring the other two on board and, and really Travis has been the honorary third, third host for, for loser kid for a while.
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So, and we all know Tom because he talks so much, so much true.
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Yeah.
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But, okay, first off.
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I want to say I appreciate you guys having me here.
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More than anything, even though I already messed up the beginning.
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And now all of a sudden my son has just walked in and now he wants to have a conversation too.
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Sure, why not?
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Yeah.
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Just one second.
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You guys go right on ahead.
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What's up, bro?
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All right.
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The fun of podcasting with kids.
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Oh, absolutely.
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Usually I'm waving at them.
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So yeah, it's same here.
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I just asked him what he needs.
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He just looks at me.
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He's just like, it's nothing, dad.
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I'm like, are you interrupting me?
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Legitimately.
Podcasting with Children at Home
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I do wonder if we should offer like a YouTube version of this to see if people want to watch us actually talk.
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Like I, I honestly have no idea.
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I certainly have a face for radio.
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But it certainly would be interesting to see if people actually tune in and watch.
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Well, now we actually have a YouTube channel.
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So maybe if I can convince Scott just to edit the video, we'll be all good to go.
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I don't know.
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Or just slap it up unedited raw like this.
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I will definitely.
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Oh, there's Travis.
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El Gato.
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El Gato.
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No signal.
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Oh.
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Travis is legendary
Nostalgic Reminiscences
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for, for being the only person in like the, the 21st century that does not have a camera that's actually dedicated on that is a part of your computer system.
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I think he has like, couldn't fix it.
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Yeah.
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So whatever.
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I thought Tom has the coin slot.
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You know, you put the 25 cents and you get another five minutes.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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And then once once his camera goes out, you put another 25.
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It's a magic fingers.
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The magic fingers are podcasting.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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For those of you who are younger than 40 magic fingers was some little vibrating thing.
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It was like a shaker motor for your Motel six bet.
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So I'm so glad you finished that sentence.
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Wait, what?
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It was what now?
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Okay.
Generational Differences in Car Safety
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I'm not kidding.
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It was like this shaker motor that was bolted on the bed and you would put a quarter in and it would, it would basically shake the bed.
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It was called magic fingers.
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Think of the worst massage you've ever had.
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Really?
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So you've done it also, Tom?
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Is that what you're saying?
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I have done it.
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How do you guys run into this stuff?
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Do your parents just drop you guys off at like shady motels?
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Here, do the magic finger thing.
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We'll be back in five hours.
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Okay.
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You're assuming that like, we are not high class when I was growing up.
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It was definitely like, let's find the cheapest room.
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You're like, you're definitely renting by adjacent to the renting by the hour rooms.
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And also the, let's just say the, the nighttime activities.
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And so you just want to sleep with something under your bed just in case someone broke in or was drunk.
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Yeah, that's the generation.
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We're lucky we're alive.
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I know, right?
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Seriously, like there was no such thing as air.
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We put air tags on our kids.
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Like there was no air tags on the kids.
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Yeah, it was like when the when the lights come down, show up.
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When I went to first grade and my mom gave me a key and was like basically like get off the bus, let yourself in.
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I'll be home in two hours.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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What shocked me the most is I got to drive a 1969 Chevy Camaro about 15 years ago.
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And I hopped in, I revved it up.
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I was excited.
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And I'm like, where's the seatbelt?
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I didn't know that they didn't invent seatbelts till like the early 70s or the mid 70s.
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Hey, Tom, tell me about the car seat that you had growing up.
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Right.
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It was called jumping around in the backseat.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Hey, we had, we had seven kids and we had a van that had eight seats.
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So once you add the parents and I'm the youngest, guess who sat on the ground leaning against the engine compartment.
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That was basically my seat.
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And it wasn't, there wasn't even any pad on it.
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That was just me.
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Like feeling the magic fingers of the road as we're flying down.
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Oh, no.
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So much now I know.
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Right.
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Oh my goodness.
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Josh, you see what I go through here?
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It's like, this is what I do every week with Joel too, where he's always like, we're going to talk about this.
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And then we go 30 minutes somewhere else.
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And he's like, now let's just dive right into it.
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Oh my goodness.
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At least there'll be no Halloween talk.
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Oh, yes.
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But we can talk about Scooby-Doo because Foo Fighters came out and there's some obvious references in that game to pop culture in general.
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Zoinks!
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So now that I cut you off like six minutes ago, Scott, do you want to finish your thought process on what you were saying about Oofiders?
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Okay.
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Now, let's just pretend that that whole screwed up intro did not happen.
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And let me tell you about my first impressions of the game.
Foo Fighters Pinball First Impressions
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I really was, I didn't know what to expect.
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Jack, he put out a, I thought a very fun home edition, but we all know that that's not a full, it's not a full cornerstone game.
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So it is, it is stripped down in the max stripped down on the flow.
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So I was like, well, I'm not sure if, you know, for a first time effort, if it will, like, if I'll be interested, I guess.
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And I will say after watching the stream, wow, it definitely blew my expectations away.
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And it not only looks fun, it looks polished.
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It looks like it has already a good baseline rule set.
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And my gosh, those expression lightings look so good.
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Oh, you guys and your expression.
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Yeah, I seriously, I don't know how you can have any music fans without expression.
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Yeah.
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So, OK, am I am I excited about this game?
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Oh, yeah, I'm totally excited.
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I am sure I will buy one at some point.
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What are your thoughts, sexy Tom?
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By the way, we all get to name ourselves and and Tom has obviously dubbed himself sexy Tom and Travis's Joel sex.
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And then I'm Loser Kid and Scott's just Scott.
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So, you know, it's just another day.
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I want super creative.
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We do fun names when we do our podcast.
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Well, you role play too.
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True, true.
Choosing Between Foo Fighters Models
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um i am extremely excited for this pin um i i didn't i didn't know what to expect you know with jack coming out of the woodwork you know only doing that home pin and this game looks amazing
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I at first looked at it and I thought, I'm going to get a pro.
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And then I thought about it and I saw all the cool stuff on the mini play field.
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And, you know, I was just like, all right, I got to get an Ellie.
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It's it's it.
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It looks amazing.
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I love how you went from pro to Ellie.
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There was a premium wasn't even an option.
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Yeah, I just I don't want to install those damn expression.
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Yes.
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Well, yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I mean, it's so shocking that the Tom Graff, the LE elitist, would get a LE.
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So it's very shocking for sure.
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He was not going to slum it and get a pro.
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He was just teasing us that he would.
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Honestly, the Pro looks really good.
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I think it does too, actually.
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I mean, I kind of like the art package on the cabinet better on the Pro.
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Okay.
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Me personally, but... You don't like the mystery machine on the side?
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No.
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I guess.
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No, I liked it.
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Yeah.
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So Travis, you, you literally got paid to stare at this for like 10 plus hours yesterday.
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And then you got to watch it tonight.
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What are your thoughts, Mr. I'm professionally paid to stare at pinball machines for hours.
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I take money for my hobby.
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Yeah.
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Oh my gosh.
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I, yeah, I've probably looked at the pictures now and videos for, what is it?
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Wednesday?
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Wednesday.
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Yeah, probably at least at least 25 hours at this point.
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Wow.
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Like, it's just, yeah, it's just insane.
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It feels like the past two days have just been all day long.
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But no, I mean, I share the same sentiments you guys do.
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And of course, we all talk off off podcast and all that.
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And the questions are with everybody.
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Like, what would this pin look like?
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And Jack, he was upfront that he was going to bring back weird to pinball.
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And we didn't know what that would mean exactly.
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So where was that going to come from?
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Was it going to come from Gottlieb?
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Was it going to come from from Bali?
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What like what era?
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But we knew it wasn't going to be a fan layout.
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Like that's the one thing we know because you don't use those words and just go safe.
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So so I was very excited to see what would come out of it.
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And to be honest with you, this does exceed expectations from what I had.
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And I just, I didn't know what it would
Pinball Market Competition
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be.
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It was just, you know, we don't think of
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of Stern putting out weird layouts.
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You know what I mean?
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Like we think of it or anything that's that's strange or whatever you call it.
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We think of it more or less that they put out stuff that's dynamic.
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Like if it's a Keith Elwin or something like that.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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But with this, it almost feels like, and I've said this to a couple other people, it feels like they almost out spookied spooky.
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Yeah, I agree.
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Like that's what it seems like to me.
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It's almost like when you look at it, there's just so many unique things to it from whether it's the inlanes, from the kicker target.
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Right.
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And just stuff like that, the figure eight coming all the way around the jump ramp that goes to the quick one 80.
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There's a lot of unique things about this pen and the most shocking thing about it, watching it this evening, that there was a ton of flow to it.
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And that thing, it was not,
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really clunky at all i mean i was very surprised by that because looking at it i was wondering that about the jump ramp i was wondering about the figure eight how would that return and my only true concern with it was the in lanes just seeing how they were kind of offset because of the targets i was wondering how that would affect things and it really didn't look like it affected that much
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on here with everybody there.
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But that being said, that could be a result of all of them playing it a lot.
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So they knew what to expect and it could be a result of how the game is set up.
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So I'm still curious how that will be because it doesn't look like even in the promo videos, it doesn't look like it's a smooth feed all the time.
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So that might move timing or something like that.
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But then again, like maybe you can say that's just uniqueness of the layout as well.
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Yeah.
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looking at it too, I had concerns.
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I'd sat down with Jack multiple times after JP Home had come out and we were talking about the cornerstone and he wasn't giving much information away besides it's going to be weird.
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And he was referencing Judge Dredd a lot.
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I was telling you guys this off podcast.
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And when Foo Fighters got announced this last week, we started kind of putting puzzle pieces together, right?
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And I brought that back up.
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I'm like, what the heck in Judge Dredd?
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because that is a weird weird unique layout right like i've never seen it done again and trudeau has a way to make some really weird but fun layouts and but bally williams was it cost prohibitive now right like the only way that cgc can remake these guys is is because they've already been made they're just essentially tweaking them and putting them back on the line but um
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I don't know.
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We were just all so confused.
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So it was refreshing to see, yes, there is weird stuff in here, like the in-lane targets and the kickback, which I don't think has ever been done on Stern.
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It's obviously been done on Gottlieb, but it was refreshing, too, to see that the shots fell.
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unique but still familiar if that makes sense and so i'm very i'm very happy with this i think regardless like tom was saying i think it doesn't matter if you go with a premier pro you're going to be happy either way you go and it's just really matter of preference at this point and they talked about they're gonna have this at texas so maybe go down there and flip both of them and see what you prefer the most i don't know
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I know the people that are looking at it on the fence money-wise or even having a hard time.
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Like, I have a friend that he's just, he's pro all the way, but he saw this premium and he's like,
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It looks pretty good.
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Yeah, it looks pretty good.
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And his wife's like, well, we need it because of the post because she's not good at pinball.
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So she's like, I want the post in there for that.
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And he's like, really, this post is going to cost me what?
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$2,500.
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Okay.
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I will also point out that there is a market difference between the, uh, the alien dude.
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Yeah.
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And the standup target, like the, the, the standup alien, like the, the two dimensional plastic mold and the other one, the other one looks great.
00:16:49
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Now I, I'm going to throw this out there because, and see exactly what you guys think.
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If, if deep root actually happened and released Raza, don't you think this would be what people wanted?
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Yeah, I, it, it looks, it looks like it was, it could have been Raza, but done right.
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No, that's, that's a thousand percent, right?
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This is like, this is something, and this is this, I guess we could say this is kind of the power of Stern also, right?
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Cause this is coming right after bond where we all know, obviously what happened with that.
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People have their opinions on it and everything with the code, with the design, with everything.
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But then it's like, okay, Stern, they're just such a powerhouse.
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They can put out another pen just in a couple of months that looks completely different, completely different theme, completely different artwork, completely different vibe.
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It's got the expression lights.
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And just like Scott pointed out, it's got a design that I could probably nearly guarantee this is what people would halfway expect out of something like Raza.
00:17:57
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I mean, it is a very unique layout.
00:17:59
Speaker
For sure.
00:18:00
Speaker
I think it does reach that level to where it's going to get attention, right?
00:18:04
Speaker
So Foo Fighters theme, even though there was a lot of people that were upset about it on, you know, online on the interwebs that they were like, Oh, dad rock again, this and that.
00:18:12
Speaker
But the reality is, is rock themes do very well and they've moved it to the nineties too.
00:18:18
Speaker
So it's like, it's, it's a relevant band.
00:18:21
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They've got obviously a ton of assets that animations guys are,
00:18:25
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Freaking fantastic.
00:18:26
Speaker
My God.
00:18:27
Speaker
The best.
00:18:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:18:28
Speaker
I've never.
00:18:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:18:29
Speaker
Eastern out of anything.
00:18:31
Speaker
I would put it.
00:18:32
Speaker
I played Raza like one of the first ones down at Houston.
00:18:35
Speaker
And this is back in 2019.
00:18:36
Speaker
Remember, they were talking about the animations there and everything.
00:18:39
Speaker
And this what I saw out of this, this is quite possibly the best animations I've seen.
00:18:45
Speaker
on a modern pinball machine.
00:18:46
Speaker
I was floored by what they did.
00:18:49
Speaker
So whoever was on that, I forget what the name was.
00:18:51
Speaker
They set it on stream, but Bravo to them.
00:18:53
Speaker
Like that's a fantastic job.
00:18:55
Speaker
So it's almost like this pin.
00:18:57
Speaker
It's kind of like the perfect storm of everything coming together, whether it's a unique design, whether it's fantastic art, the fantastic music that's with it and the fantastic animations that's with it.
00:19:10
Speaker
I mean, you bring all those together and
00:19:12
Speaker
You're going to have something that is going to be special for a long time, which is great for pinball, but even better for Stern.
00:19:20
Speaker
The fact that they can do something like this outside of Elwin, like that's, that's pretty big deal.
00:19:26
Speaker
I agree.
00:19:27
Speaker
Think about the last two designers and their, their freshman effort.
00:19:33
Speaker
I would say impressive.
00:19:36
Speaker
It doesn't doesn't capture it.
00:19:38
Speaker
I mean, Iron Maiden and yes, people people played Archer before.
00:19:41
Speaker
And so at least they're familiar with it.
00:19:43
Speaker
But an amazing game.
00:19:45
Speaker
And I would I would put this up there for like one of the best debuts of any designer.
00:19:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:19:53
Speaker
Well, and one thing I want to point out too, Travis, you talked about is there was a slight audible groan, even though it's Facebook and Pinside and whatnot, when it was dad rock again, right?
00:20:04
Speaker
But here's the thing that people need to realize too.
00:20:08
Speaker
Regardless if you don't like dad rock or not, it's here to stay.
00:20:12
Speaker
I mean, Zombie Yeti's connection to Foo Fighters is why this was so unique.
00:20:17
Speaker
And if you listen to the Insider podcast, he had no restraints.
00:20:21
Speaker
They seriously just kept coming up with weird things, and they'd throw it to the Foo Fighters, and they were like, heck yeah, go for it.
00:20:27
Speaker
And so, I mean, parallel that next to Bond, which we haven't had official confirmation from Stern, but you can tell it's a licensor issue with that, right?
00:20:40
Speaker
they're gonna go look at look at the product they've made with foo fighters and rush that's the sandwich right rush bond foo fighters yeah rush and foo fighters are arguably the best integrated themes into a pinball machine and so it regards if you don't like dad rock or not it's here to stay they sell they're easy to work with because you only have a handful of people over you versus
00:21:06
Speaker
all these assets, you know what I'm saying?
Foo Fighters Music in Pop Culture
00:21:08
Speaker
My band owns all the music.
00:21:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:11
Speaker
And so I would, I would take a Foo Fighters a hundred times over.
00:21:14
Speaker
Then I dare, I say Harry Potter.
00:21:18
Speaker
It makes me nervous that we've been hearing Harry Potter kicked around lately.
00:21:21
Speaker
It's going to be insane.
00:21:22
Speaker
You know what the weirdest thing about seeing Foo Fighters and getting to see it played?
00:21:28
Speaker
It almost makes it look like James Bond and Foo Fighters were made by two completely different companies.
00:21:34
Speaker
Like they are so far different.
00:21:37
Speaker
From each other.
00:21:38
Speaker
And obviously like bond, we, it's hard to blame designers, software people or anything.
00:21:44
Speaker
If you are, if you have constraints, that is so difficult from a creative standpoint to fight through that.
00:21:50
Speaker
Like it's just, it's so difficult.
00:21:52
Speaker
And everybody out there knows that that does anything.
00:21:55
Speaker
That's that's any type of creativity.
00:21:57
Speaker
So, I mean, seeing this, I don't feel like who fighters that anybody on that had the issues.
00:22:04
Speaker
And if they did have any issues, like kudos to them for,
00:22:07
Speaker
Just bulldozing through it because it just it doesn't look like that was happening with this pin.
00:22:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:14
Speaker
I just I think this is what pinball should be.
00:22:18
Speaker
I mean, we see it with Godzilla, too.
00:22:20
Speaker
I felt like there was very little restraint there.
00:22:23
Speaker
Keith, the handcuffs were not on as hard versus other things he's done in the past.
00:22:28
Speaker
I mean, look at Avengers.
00:22:29
Speaker
Avengers is still a great game, but like he mentioned it before, like the only asset he had for like Hulk was his eye.
00:22:35
Speaker
His eye.
00:22:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:36
Speaker
Yeah, and so it's like, what do I do with his eye?
00:22:39
Speaker
You know?
00:22:41
Speaker
And I don't know.
00:22:42
Speaker
I'm excited for this game.
00:22:44
Speaker
Wrapping it back to Foo Fighters, I'm in on one regardless because...
00:22:48
Speaker
When I first heard Foo Fighters, this is the first time I'm like, hey, I grew up with this music.
00:22:52
Speaker
This is a band I remember watching play.
00:22:54
Speaker
I've seen them in concert.
00:22:56
Speaker
This is a band I very much relate to, but it's not the top of my list, right?
00:23:00
Speaker
Like everyone knows, it's funny, I was playing the songs for my son, right?
00:23:04
Speaker
And the first one comes on, My Hero.
00:23:06
Speaker
And he's like, I've heard this in a meme.
00:23:07
Speaker
I hear it in memes all the times.
00:23:09
Speaker
And then I played like,
00:23:10
Speaker
all my life.
00:23:11
Speaker
And he's like, Oh, I've heard this one too.
00:23:13
Speaker
And then I played like times like these or, or may was ever long.
00:23:16
Speaker
And he's like, Oh, I've heard this one too.
00:23:18
Speaker
Everyone's heard Foo Fighters.
00:23:19
Speaker
I guarantee you've been sitting in a Walmart and it came on and all the songs are relatable.
00:23:23
Speaker
So it's not like, I don't hate any of that.
00:23:25
Speaker
I love rock and roll and the pug five that they bring.
00:23:27
Speaker
So it wasn't a hard transition for me to be like, yeah, I'll go with Foo Fighters.
00:23:32
Speaker
Well, I think too, right?
00:23:33
Speaker
The, uh, the Foo Fighters, I remember them being in Guitar Hero.
00:23:37
Speaker
Like they had several songs that were in there.
00:23:40
Speaker
So it's like, even, even my kids, they're 12 and 13.
00:23:44
Speaker
When I told them there was going to be a Foo Fighters pinball machine, they knew what that meant.
00:23:49
Speaker
And that shocked me because I never talk about it with them, but then come to find out, oh, they realized it came from this video or as part of this game.
00:23:55
Speaker
And they knew a bunch of the songs that I'm just like, oh,
00:23:58
Speaker
where the heck is this coming from?
00:23:59
Speaker
I didn't even realize you guys are fans, but yeah, it's just, I think a lot more people are aware of this theme than what, uh,
00:24:07
Speaker
than what the older demographic of pinball realizes.
00:24:11
Speaker
I mean, I think it fits very well to like that 25 to 45 range, somewhere right in there, 25, 44.
00:24:18
Speaker
I think there's a lot of people there that realize that.
00:24:21
Speaker
I mean, even me, I'm 38 and I still remember listening to Foo Fighters back in middle school and all through high school, then early college.
00:24:28
Speaker
So it's ticking all those boxes for me.
00:24:31
Speaker
And this is actually the first time
00:24:34
Speaker
Really, for me personally, I know a lot of people probably felt this with Guns N' Roses, and I've obviously, Tom and Scott felt this with Rush, but this is the first time that I've actually...
00:24:44
Speaker
seen a pin done by a, you know, a pinball company that I know the music and I can remember certain memories of the past when that music was playing or something I was associated with or whatever.
00:24:57
Speaker
And so, yeah, that's that right there is going to take a lot of boxes for a lot of people that are in that sweet spot that are ready to buy pinball machines.
00:25:05
Speaker
And we're, we are going to see that avalanche happen.
00:25:08
Speaker
It's going to happen.
00:25:11
Speaker
And I think you, I agree with you that this is going to be a consistent theme over ages and it's going to, it almost could be an evergreen title just because of how much longevity is there with Foo Fighters.
00:25:21
Speaker
Okay.
00:25:22
Speaker
I would also argue that for someone who has never been a buyer before,
00:25:29
Speaker
like this could be the gateway
Foo Fighters Pinball as a Gateway Hobby
00:25:31
Speaker
pin.
00:25:31
Speaker
This could be the pin where they're like, wow, that theme's awesome.
00:25:35
Speaker
I totally, and it's, it's well done.
00:25:37
Speaker
The art package is fantastic.
00:25:39
Speaker
The presentation is great.
00:25:41
Speaker
And there's like, wow.
00:25:42
Speaker
Okay.
00:25:43
Speaker
So this is, this is totally, it, it feels like someone from the Bally Williams era designed a modern pin with modern rules.
00:25:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:57
Speaker
It looks like that.
00:25:58
Speaker
It looks like the fun of the, the Valley Williams, the, the campiness, the, you know, just everything that, that takes it back.
00:26:06
Speaker
And it's like, this is the second coming of Valley Williams, like this type of approach.
00:26:11
Speaker
I know I even see a little bit of a Dr. Dude vibe when you look at the, at the play field, maybe not the layout, but like the art style.
00:26:22
Speaker
I don't know what you thinking, Tom.
00:26:23
Speaker
You're so, you're so talkative.
00:26:25
Speaker
I don't think.
00:26:27
Speaker
He doesn't think he buys.
00:26:30
Speaker
He buys.
00:26:31
Speaker
Just buy him, baby.
00:26:35
Speaker
No, I mean, the game is freaking, it looks fantastic.
00:26:38
Speaker
You got three ramps, a mini playfield.
00:26:42
Speaker
I mean, what more could you want?
00:26:44
Speaker
Kickers, in lane targets, and just a lot of uniqueness.
00:26:53
Speaker
Animations are freaking cool.
00:26:57
Speaker
I like how they derive the story of, you know, like the aliens and everything.
00:27:04
Speaker
It sounds like from what I heard from Insider Connect that it was really a zombie Yeti idea, you know, and it just went from there.
00:27:14
Speaker
But, yeah, it's definitely cool.
00:27:19
Speaker
What do you guys think of the additional topper toys that are rumored?
00:27:26
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:27:27
Speaker
So the topper was confirmed.
00:27:30
Speaker
Well, the topper toys was confirmed, but not the actual toys themselves.
00:27:34
Speaker
The existence of them.
00:27:36
Speaker
Yes.
00:27:37
Speaker
Right.
00:27:37
Speaker
But it sounds like you could buy the toys and put them on your topper and they would do something.
00:27:43
Speaker
Yes.
00:27:44
Speaker
Yep.
00:27:44
Speaker
They're meant to interact with the topper itself.
00:27:47
Speaker
Very interesting.
00:27:48
Speaker
That's awesome.
00:27:49
Speaker
When I heard that, I immediately thought of the Amiibos from Nintendo.
00:27:54
Speaker
Yep.
00:27:55
Speaker
And those were created back in 2014.
00:27:58
Speaker
So I'm just like, okay, so Stern has now gotten their game online.
Innovative Features of Foo Fighters Pinball
00:28:05
Speaker
Welcome to the 2010s.
00:28:06
Speaker
Now they're getting into the Amiibo thing.
00:28:10
Speaker
So now I'm like, holy crap, what's going to be next?
00:28:13
Speaker
What can Stern do?
00:28:15
Speaker
The Nintendo Switch version of Pinball?
00:28:18
Speaker
Yeah, we're going to have an Nintendo machine or a pinball machine where we can just walk around with it.
00:28:23
Speaker
Exactly.
00:28:24
Speaker
Just set it down somewhere else.
00:28:25
Speaker
Attachable controllers.
00:28:26
Speaker
That would be great.
00:28:30
Speaker
Someone get on that.
00:28:31
Speaker
That is a multi-million dollar idea right there.
00:28:34
Speaker
Exactly.
00:28:34
Speaker
I'll take 5%.
00:28:35
Speaker
Deeper will do it.
00:28:36
Speaker
Don't worry about it.
00:28:37
Speaker
Exactly.
00:28:38
Speaker
Don't worry about it.
00:28:41
Speaker
Oh my goodness.
00:28:42
Speaker
So the other thing is too, I mean, so what DNA do you guys see in this machine?
00:28:46
Speaker
I know that I personally, I see spirit because of the in lane targets, right?
00:28:51
Speaker
I was thinking, um,
00:28:53
Speaker
Stargate earlier, we were talking about that because of the kick from the target.
00:28:58
Speaker
I see Simpsons pinball party.
00:29:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:00
Speaker
Up top.
00:29:01
Speaker
Right.
00:29:02
Speaker
It's accessible.
00:29:04
Speaker
We see, I guess, Deadpool maybe on the left with that left ramp.
00:29:08
Speaker
They really pushed Deadpool in the Insider podcast.
00:29:10
Speaker
They said that.
00:29:12
Speaker
You've got Tanya Klaiss and Zombie Yeti.
00:29:14
Speaker
So you've got the art and the rules.
00:29:16
Speaker
I mean, and Jack Danger has professed his love for Deadpool.
00:29:20
Speaker
ever since he revealed it, what, three years ago?
00:29:23
Speaker
Or how long has it been now?
00:29:25
Speaker
It's been a while.
00:29:25
Speaker
It's been a while, yeah.
00:29:27
Speaker
But yeah, that little schnick shot seems like it's turned into a jump-wrap shot on this game.
00:29:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:32
Speaker
Yeah, that's true.
00:29:33
Speaker
Jurassic Park with that center spinner.
00:29:36
Speaker
Yep, that's what I was thinking, too.
00:29:37
Speaker
Right lane.
00:29:38
Speaker
Yeah, the right side really reminded me of Jurassic Park as soon as I first saw it with the right ramp, the right orbit, where the center spinner is, and then the loop and the ramp, just kind of in those areas.
00:29:49
Speaker
It just kind of reminded me of it.
00:29:51
Speaker
I'm not going to say it was a direct pool or anything like that.
00:29:53
Speaker
Just felt like it had Jurassic Park DNA to it as well.
00:29:56
Speaker
So you see a lot of great elements of different types of games all put in here.
00:30:02
Speaker
Thank you, Mr. DNA.
00:30:05
Speaker
Well, and sometimes that's not good because we were talking about that before the podcast that, you know, I think a lot of times people tend to go over the top thinking, okay, a machine needs to have everything in it.
00:30:16
Speaker
And I don't think a machine being jam-packed necessarily means it's good.
00:30:20
Speaker
Like it still has to work.
00:30:22
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:22
Speaker
You know, whereas when I saw this, it did look like there was a lot put in there, especially for the pro version.
00:30:28
Speaker
And then you see it all come together.
00:30:29
Speaker
It's like chef's kiss.
00:30:31
Speaker
Like it actually worked the way you wanted it to work.
00:30:34
Speaker
So yeah, kudos to the whole team at Stern for sure.
00:30:37
Speaker
No, I agree.
00:30:41
Speaker
And I think you put it.
00:30:43
Speaker
We talked about this, right?
00:30:45
Speaker
We want DNA from other games, but we don't want a perfect match, right?
00:30:50
Speaker
Well, you don't want a knockoff.
00:30:52
Speaker
So you don't want like – I've always said that the end of Def Leppard was hysteria because when Adrenalize came out, it was like these are like the B songs that didn't make it to hysteria.
00:31:05
Speaker
Right.
00:31:06
Speaker
Like you could tell that the magic was gone and it's, and you don't want to feel like you're just re-releasing different versions of a successful layout because eventually it gets stale.
00:31:17
Speaker
Well, and I love John Borg.
00:31:19
Speaker
I really appreciate what he's done for the hobby and whatnot, but I think he gets the slack of this most, right?
00:31:24
Speaker
Him and Richie, because when his designs come out, they always harken back to one of his previous designs.
00:31:32
Speaker
Rush, everyone was talking X-Men.
00:31:35
Speaker
When Guardians of the Galaxy came out, everyone was talking Metallica.
00:31:39
Speaker
And so it's good to see DNA from different games, especially from...
00:31:44
Speaker
a first time designer because you're going to want some familiarity there.
00:31:49
Speaker
I, I think that's what scared us the most, right?
00:31:50
Speaker
We kept hearing weird that, that word scared us.
00:31:54
Speaker
Okay.
00:31:54
Speaker
We were all thinking WWE.
00:31:56
Speaker
And we all know how successful that was.
00:31:58
Speaker
That was certainly a weird game and having like an increased gap in the flippers.
00:32:04
Speaker
You know, just, just because it's weird doesn't mean it's good.
00:32:08
Speaker
It just could be bizarre.
00:32:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:10
Speaker
But this was fun.
00:32:12
Speaker
Weird.
00:32:13
Speaker
Like this was like campy funds like, Oh, that's different, but I want to play it.
00:32:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:32:20
Speaker
With the, I will say with the in lanes, yeah.
00:32:23
Speaker
I am curious to see if there's a little bit of, with most inlanes, it's a linear curve.
00:32:31
Speaker
So if it flows down the inlane, it tends to just rip past the flipper.
00:32:38
Speaker
But this, because of that little Shatz target that he put in there, I wonder if that will kind of bounce and maybe even slow up like a quick inlane shot.
00:32:49
Speaker
What do you guys think?
00:32:50
Speaker
I saw a couple of people tonight that they actually had their flipper up and they were able to stop the ball.
00:32:56
Speaker
Like I could have swore I saw that.
00:32:58
Speaker
I mean, I was coming in and out, but yeah, I mean, and I think it's going to do that.
00:33:02
Speaker
I think it's going to, which isn't bad.
00:33:04
Speaker
It's not bad.
00:33:06
Speaker
It's not a bad thing.
00:33:07
Speaker
I think the timing for some people, it's going to throw people off the first time they play it.
00:33:11
Speaker
And I think a lot of it, just like we mentioned earlier, it's going to just depend on game set up as well.
00:33:16
Speaker
I mean, it could depend on the pitch of the game.
00:33:18
Speaker
It could depend on if it's leaning left or right.
00:33:21
Speaker
That may very well affect how that ball is coming down to a flipper.
00:33:25
Speaker
I mean, because I'm expecting some versions of this game out in the wild to rattle like crazy.
00:33:31
Speaker
I'm expecting it.
00:33:32
Speaker
And at the same time, it looks like there's the possibility for it to just go down like butter as well.
00:33:38
Speaker
So I think it's just going to be your mileage may vary situation here.
00:33:42
Speaker
Wasn't it funny too, we were watching it tonight and Rayday, we were like, he kind of is playing it like it's casual to him, right?
00:33:49
Speaker
He was having a rough time getting going on the first game or two.
00:33:53
Speaker
And so I'm like, what does that mean for the rest of us?
00:33:57
Speaker
He just, he had to warm up, but yeah, I actually did message.
00:34:01
Speaker
I did message Ray and I said, this game looks like a blast.
00:34:06
Speaker
And he was just like, yeah, his, his official word was heck.
00:34:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:11
Speaker
But it's a, I mean, if someone who at that level is excited about playing the game, that bodes really well.
00:34:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:20
Speaker
That guy caught me and you're getting an L E. Is that why you got an L E?
00:34:25
Speaker
Because of Raymond.
00:34:26
Speaker
Yeah, I'm really glad you got the LA.
00:34:29
Speaker
It was so funny.
00:34:30
Speaker
Did you guys listen to the pinball show on Monday?
00:34:33
Speaker
I think it was.
00:34:34
Speaker
No, Tuesday.
00:34:35
Speaker
Most of it, yeah.
00:34:37
Speaker
And Dennis was going off.
00:34:39
Speaker
He was like, Raymond's not on this one.
00:34:41
Speaker
And finally, he's not on a band pin.
00:34:43
Speaker
And then they announced, Raymond's on Foo Fighters.
00:34:46
Speaker
Oops.
00:34:51
Speaker
Yeah, he's not lead designer, but you guarantee that Raymond's knowledge rule set will definitely shape the goals and the code.
00:35:02
Speaker
Before we go any further, Tom, did you need to duck out or did you?
00:35:05
Speaker
Yeah, I kind of had a late night last night and not a lot of sleep.
00:35:11
Speaker
So I'm going to actually head out.
00:35:13
Speaker
But thanks for having me on the podcast.
00:35:14
Speaker
Love your guys podcast.
00:35:16
Speaker
Well, thank you.
00:35:18
Speaker
Before you head out, we need Tom talks.
00:35:21
Speaker
Tom talks, Tom talks.
00:35:25
Speaker
Okay, Tom.
00:35:25
Speaker
All right, Tom, you got five seconds.
00:35:28
Speaker
What's your talk?
00:35:30
Speaker
Foo Fighters is pretty awesome.
00:35:34
Speaker
And that's Tom Talks, everybody.
00:35:35
Speaker
There you go.
00:35:36
Speaker
See, such excitement.
00:35:38
Speaker
I'm out of here.
00:35:39
Speaker
Mic drop.
00:35:42
Speaker
Hey, Tom, we know it's late for you.
00:35:44
Speaker
We actually do appreciate you staying up a little bit.
00:35:47
Speaker
We didn't think we were going to get you because, you know, some of us have jobs in the morning.
00:35:53
Speaker
You can't just sleep in and binge pinball all day.
00:35:56
Speaker
I wish.
00:35:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:00
Speaker
I got to make some money so I can pay for my LEA.
00:36:04
Speaker
Yeah, seriously.
00:36:05
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:05
Speaker
All right.
00:36:07
Speaker
Well, now that we kicked Tom off the podcast, let's talk about him.
00:36:12
Speaker
Yeah, no, I would like to say I'm leaving triple drain now.
00:36:15
Speaker
I'm so happy to be the third member of Loser Kid.
00:36:18
Speaker
Finally, we got rid of all the dead weight.
00:36:21
Speaker
Thank you, guys.
00:36:21
Speaker
You're welcome.
00:36:23
Speaker
Anytime.
00:36:23
Speaker
We're glad to have you on the team.
00:36:25
Speaker
I think Scott has a hat for you.
00:36:27
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:36:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:28
Speaker
You know, we, we, we give all our new members hats.
00:36:32
Speaker
Thank you.
00:36:32
Speaker
I appreciate it.
00:36:33
Speaker
I mean, this is, this is exactly why I got double zero at Ndisc and everything.
00:36:37
Speaker
Like I want to do just so crappy everywhere else.
00:36:40
Speaker
And then just, just go to the winning team.
00:36:43
Speaker
I mean, that's, that's really, that's the way to live life, right?
00:36:46
Speaker
Yep.
00:36:46
Speaker
Okay.
00:36:47
Speaker
Speaking of merch, is this where you want to bring this up, Josh?
00:36:50
Speaker
We can, or do we want to keep talking the food or are we done with food?
00:36:54
Speaker
You know, I'm excited for Foo.
00:36:56
Speaker
It looks like a blast to play, and I do not think the reveal stream could have done anything better for a game.
00:37:05
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:07
Speaker
That was an awesome reveal stream because most of the time it's like a couple of drunk guys playing pinball and it's a clunk fest.
00:37:14
Speaker
But man, they were just ripping it.
00:37:17
Speaker
It looked like a blast.
00:37:19
Speaker
Yes, I agree.
00:37:20
Speaker
And like we said, I think regardless of what model you go with, you're going to be happy.
00:37:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:26
Speaker
If and or but.
00:37:28
Speaker
But we have an exciting announcement, right, Scott?
00:37:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:31
Speaker
Why don't you take it away, Josh?
00:37:33
Speaker
You actually did all the legwork on it.
00:37:36
Speaker
So you remember Brad Albright we had on?
00:37:38
Speaker
It's been years.
00:37:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:40
Speaker
And he did the, before the official Led Zeppelin game, he did the art for the re-theme that was done by, I think, Dave Peck.
00:37:48
Speaker
Yes.
00:37:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:50
Speaker
Down in New Zealand.
00:37:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:51
Speaker
And so we had him on and great guy.
00:37:54
Speaker
And obviously his career has taken off.
00:37:56
Speaker
I'm not going to say because of us, but he's obviously got a little bit of work in pinball.
00:38:00
Speaker
Anywho, I'm like, Brad, we want to do some stuff.
00:38:03
Speaker
And long story short, we have some shirts coming out that are actually not designed by me or Scott.
00:38:11
Speaker
And we have some shoes and it's all come out via silver ball swag.
00:38:15
Speaker
By the time this is up and running, the link should be live.
00:38:19
Speaker
Is it the shoes?
00:38:20
Speaker
Is it the shoes?
00:38:21
Speaker
You remember that commercial?
00:38:23
Speaker
The original Michael Jordan Air Jordan commercials?
00:38:25
Speaker
I don't.
00:38:26
Speaker
Oh, it was Spike Lee.
00:38:28
Speaker
Oh my gosh.
00:38:28
Speaker
What year was that?
00:38:30
Speaker
Was there magic fingers in that commercial too?
00:38:36
Speaker
I do not remember that.
00:38:37
Speaker
I remember Michael Jordan.
00:38:39
Speaker
Go look it up.
00:38:39
Speaker
This is it's Spike Lee selling the air Jordan.
00:38:42
Speaker
And the reason why that was a big deal is because, um, they came out with the air Jordans and the NBA didn't let them use it because they weren't compliant.
00:38:51
Speaker
Cause it was like, yeah.
00:38:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:53
Speaker
But we did tease, actually Brad teased the goat, Keith Owen, with our Loser Kid hat on.
00:39:01
Speaker
That will be our shirt design.
00:39:02
Speaker
And then we have an all-over pattern.
00:39:05
Speaker
Go ahead to go to silverballswag.com slash Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
00:39:09
Speaker
Get it there.
00:39:10
Speaker
These shoes are pretty awesome.
00:39:13
Speaker
I'm very happy with the way they do.
00:39:14
Speaker
We're actually buying our own shoes because we're like, these are awesome.
00:39:19
Speaker
I think I'm going to go with the red because I want the impact.
00:39:22
Speaker
Yes.
00:39:24
Speaker
Obviously, Travis is going to buy several pair now that he's an official member.
00:39:28
Speaker
Exactly.
00:39:29
Speaker
I've already got a palette of them.
00:39:31
Speaker
You guys are so much more professional than those other two knuckleheads.
00:39:34
Speaker
Thank you.
00:39:34
Speaker
I'm so happy right now.
00:39:36
Speaker
Well, if you want to hold off from buying from Silver Ball Swag, you can actually see, if I remember correctly, they're going to have at least the shirts in person at Texas Pinball.
00:39:44
Speaker
Oh, okay.
00:39:45
Speaker
So, yeah, I talked to Will.
00:39:47
Speaker
He said we could definitely get the shirts there.
00:39:49
Speaker
I don't know about the shoes because of the lead time there.
00:39:51
Speaker
I think it's like six.
00:39:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:39:54
Speaker
Okay.
00:39:55
Speaker
I will say those shoes look awesome.
00:39:58
Speaker
Yes.
00:39:59
Speaker
And there's about seven, six or seven colors you can choose from.
00:40:03
Speaker
And you can choose lace-up or you can choose the van style.
00:40:07
Speaker
I mean, they look fantastic.
00:40:09
Speaker
So has there ever been anybody in pinball to release their own shoes before?
00:40:14
Speaker
Like publicly?
00:40:16
Speaker
I don't think so.
00:40:16
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know.
00:40:19
Speaker
I don't know.
00:40:20
Speaker
Maybe did Soft Plunge do shoes or something like that?
00:40:24
Speaker
What are you guys going to call this officially?
00:40:25
Speaker
It's going to be like the...
00:40:28
Speaker
uh i don't know hard loser kid or the the air losers the plunge and swat line like what are we gonna call this well and we we already have the uh the tagline uh tagline uh losing at life winning at pinball
00:40:46
Speaker
And you will be winning at pinball with these shoes.
00:40:48
Speaker
Trust me.
00:40:49
Speaker
Absolutely.
00:40:50
Speaker
Okay.
00:40:51
Speaker
Seriously.
00:40:51
Speaker
It will look like I just walked out of a loser kid convention.
00:40:54
Speaker
Cause all of the shoes, I have my, uh, my custom, uh, bowling shirt that says that has the losing it life, winning at pinball.
00:41:02
Speaker
I got the old school red and red and black hat and white.
00:41:05
Speaker
So.
00:41:06
Speaker
What's funny to me is like, you know, everyone was wearing our hat because they got the magic from Keith Elwin when they started winning the tournaments.
00:41:12
Speaker
Exactly.
00:41:12
Speaker
Now you can actually have Keith Elwin on you so you can have that magic through you for your tournament.
00:41:18
Speaker
Okay.
00:41:19
Speaker
That is like a new level where you are wearing the goat while wearing the hat.
00:41:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:26
Speaker
It's like inception.
00:41:27
Speaker
Exactly.
00:41:28
Speaker
All right.
00:41:30
Speaker
I know Travis, this is why he came on to talk.
00:41:32
Speaker
He's like, yeah, let's come on.
00:41:33
Speaker
Let's talk about this.
00:41:34
Speaker
Hey, let's talk about that.
00:41:36
Speaker
That slanket you, you like wearing.
00:41:38
Speaker
Where is it?
00:41:38
Speaker
Your slanket?
00:41:40
Speaker
What?
00:41:40
Speaker
Oh, the comfy.
00:41:41
Speaker
Oh, okay.
00:41:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:42
Speaker
And it should have been called a slanket.
00:41:44
Speaker
I actually, I don't know where it is.
00:41:46
Speaker
I think one of the kids.
00:41:48
Speaker
Oh, took it from me, but yeah, no, they, so funny enough.
00:41:52
Speaker
I didn't think anything of that at all when I had it on.
00:41:55
Speaker
And then all of a sudden, of course, you know, Joel and Tom, they just went wild.
00:42:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:00
Speaker
Oh yeah.
00:42:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:01
Speaker
And it is, it took like a life of its own.
00:42:04
Speaker
And I swear I should be under contract for comfy at this point.
00:42:07
Speaker
I still get, I get pictures from people that have bought it.
00:42:11
Speaker
I mean, I probably sold at least 30 of those already.
00:42:14
Speaker
It's so ridiculous.
00:42:15
Speaker
I should have, I,
00:42:17
Speaker
I should have an affiliate link.
00:42:19
Speaker
You should at least get your free comfy.
00:42:22
Speaker
Right.
00:42:22
Speaker
Exactly.
00:42:24
Speaker
It's comfortable.
00:42:24
Speaker
Exactly.
00:42:25
Speaker
Enter Travis Murry.
00:42:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:31
Speaker
It's comfortable, but yeah, no, it's taken such a life of its own.
00:42:34
Speaker
We're actually offering it as a prize for a Carl's pin clash thing too.
00:42:39
Speaker
I don't know if you guys have seen that.
00:42:40
Speaker
Like we're offering a prize for, I think we're putting up a hundred dollars plus a comfy, I think is what it is.
00:42:47
Speaker
And it's called you are average.
00:42:49
Speaker
So we're giving it to the person.
00:42:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:52
Speaker
That finishes right in the middle.
00:42:54
Speaker
You know, and at first we wanted to call it something making fun of Joel, but then we realized he's not good enough to finish like in the middle of the pack.
00:43:01
Speaker
So we couldn't do that.
00:43:03
Speaker
Okay.
00:43:03
Speaker
Now I will say in Joel's defense, Joel is still probably a better player than I am.
00:43:10
Speaker
No, no, there's, there's no way.
00:43:12
Speaker
So it was funny.
00:43:13
Speaker
I won't name the name.
00:43:15
Speaker
But I guarantee they're listening to this.
00:43:17
Speaker
And Joel knows who I'm talking about because it's so funny.
00:43:19
Speaker
But they were just like, because Joel was saying, I can't play in tournaments.
00:43:24
Speaker
I can't do this.
00:43:24
Speaker
Can't do that.
00:43:25
Speaker
They were just like, why not?
00:43:27
Speaker
There's even a Joel division in it.
00:43:30
Speaker
They were talking about the novice division.
00:43:33
Speaker
The Joel division.
00:43:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:35
Speaker
You know what?
00:43:36
Speaker
I actually want to trigger Travis right now.
00:43:39
Speaker
Are you ready for this, Travis?
00:43:41
Speaker
Sure.
00:43:41
Speaker
Why not?
00:43:42
Speaker
So American Pinball put out a trailer for game five.
American Pinball Teaser Trailer Critique
00:43:49
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:43:50
Speaker
Let's talk about this.
00:43:52
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:52
Speaker
Let's talk about that awesome teaser.
00:43:55
Speaker
We need to talk about that.
00:43:57
Speaker
We'll copyright Galactic Tank Force.
00:44:00
Speaker
We can't say Galactic Tank Force in the name.
00:44:02
Speaker
DGF.
00:44:03
Speaker
DGF.
00:44:04
Speaker
I was so confused by that because I'm so all in for seeing this machine too.
00:44:11
Speaker
I'm so excited to see it at TPF.
00:44:13
Speaker
And then when the teaser came out, I think we all, like in all of our messages and everything, everybody was just like... Confused?
00:44:21
Speaker
Yeah, we just sent the memes to each other.
00:44:24
Speaker
It was just like awkward eyes looking at each other.
00:44:26
Speaker
Like, what just happened here?
00:44:28
Speaker
I just, I don't know.
00:44:30
Speaker
Josh, what do you think?
00:44:31
Speaker
What's going through your head on it?
00:44:33
Speaker
I do have to admit, so I'm sitting there with Carter.
00:44:35
Speaker
He's my 12-year-old.
00:44:36
Speaker
And we're watching this.
00:44:38
Speaker
And it starts, it's like, introducing...
00:44:41
Speaker
whatever i can't remember the names you know millie whoever and carter looks at me he's like who are these people and i haven't a clue and i'm like i think like when then it showed that like the characters pop up of the shadows of them right like oh it must be that there was four names and there's four characters so it just must be the uh
00:45:02
Speaker
the names of the characters, because that last name doesn't sound real to me.
00:45:05
Speaker
The Moorfoot, the Clementine Moorfoot.
00:45:09
Speaker
And if that's your real name, it sounds like a D&D character.
00:45:12
Speaker
Yeah, so I was like, oh, this must be the name of these characters.
00:45:16
Speaker
I just, this is not how you promote a product at all.
00:45:20
Speaker
I mean, this left more questions than answers, and it did not hype me at all.
00:45:25
Speaker
We joked about ChatGPT would do a better job, and then Travis proved us right
00:45:31
Speaker
by making some and they didn't even have to have pinball in the actual ad and it was like all these were a million times better I just don't get it like
00:45:40
Speaker
There's been a lot of hype and I blame this on Joel because he's not here, but DTF.
00:45:45
Speaker
Well, okay.
00:45:46
Speaker
Do you feel that they, it, it almost feels like they, they rushed something out because they, they have to, I don't know what the constraints are.
00:45:59
Speaker
Why are they planning on releasing it?
00:46:00
Speaker
But on top of all the other things that have been rumored forever, and then you have, um,
00:46:08
Speaker
You have Foo Fighters that was teased.
00:46:11
Speaker
And then they teased this.
00:46:14
Speaker
And we'll talk about the other teaser coming up too.
00:46:17
Speaker
But it almost felt like we need to present our product because if everybody just sees what Stern is putting out, it's going to suck all the money out of the market.
00:46:30
Speaker
And we need to at least have a small slice of the pie.
00:46:33
Speaker
So let's just get something out so people know that we have something too.
00:46:37
Speaker
That's what it felt like.
00:46:38
Speaker
It felt like... American Pinball actually makes some solid games.
00:46:45
Speaker
They're reliable.
00:46:48
Speaker
By the way, that's number one in my book.
00:46:50
Speaker
I need reliability in a pin.
00:46:52
Speaker
I need it to be on location without a lot of issues.
00:46:56
Speaker
If I buy it at home, I do not want to be like an amateur repairman.
00:47:02
Speaker
So they make solid games...
00:47:04
Speaker
But it's just confusing when they didn't release anything other than Legends of Valhalla last year.
00:47:11
Speaker
And then they come out with this, which is taking the camp to a... We thought that... Well, if you think Foo Fighters is taking it to kind of this comical attack from Mars battling monsters from space or whatever.
00:47:28
Speaker
This is just straight out of...
00:47:30
Speaker
Straight out of the B science fiction movies from the 1960s.
00:47:34
Speaker
Well, not only that, they start the trailer with their logo, which is fine, whatever.
00:47:39
Speaker
This is a 54 second trailer and half.
00:47:42
Speaker
Half is the logo.
00:47:43
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:44
Speaker
I was.
00:47:45
Speaker
So I've watched this teaser lately.
00:47:48
Speaker
No less than 12 times probably.
00:47:50
Speaker
Cause I, I just kept looking at it and I just kept getting more and more confused and yeah, it just, so the problem is, is the attention span of people.
00:47:59
Speaker
It's so short that you have a window of about two or three seconds, right?
00:48:03
Speaker
Cause we, we live in the horizontal, uh, video era, right?
00:48:08
Speaker
Or the, sorry, the, the vertical video era with TikTok, with reels, with all that.
00:48:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:12
Speaker
So when you're trying to get somebody's attention, you have to get it instantly.
00:48:17
Speaker
And the way that you do that is not through showing a logo for 20 plus seconds coming out.
00:48:23
Speaker
So if they were doing a video just to reveal their logo, because the logo actually looked pretty cool.
00:48:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:29
Speaker
The problem was it was almost like, okay, how long is this going to take to get through this?
00:48:35
Speaker
And then when you follow that up with an announcement of game five, it's like, okay, you're assuming people first know who you are, and then you're assuming that they realize you've had that many games to begin with.
00:48:49
Speaker
Right.
00:48:50
Speaker
So just that whole cadence was just odd to me.
00:48:53
Speaker
It just, it just felt like that they should have just kind of left the logo until the very end of it.
00:48:59
Speaker
Because if they would have came in like at the beginning, just showing like maybe some of the artwork, just not really lit up, just kind of like super dark,
00:49:08
Speaker
You know, to where you can kind of get a hint of something and they kind of just give like many vibes like that.
00:49:13
Speaker
And then they don't have to show the pin.
00:49:15
Speaker
Then you just show the name of the pin, like in all of its glory or the back glass or whatever.
00:49:19
Speaker
You do something like that and then you cut to the logo afterwards because then it would matter to establish, OK, this is American pinball, because the problem is it's just like.
00:49:29
Speaker
A lot of people didn't realize what they were looking at.
00:49:32
Speaker
And then the craziest part was, is like Josh alluded to earlier, they started naming off the names.
00:49:37
Speaker
Well, as a viewer, we have no idea who these people are.
00:49:41
Speaker
I had no idea what it was.
00:49:42
Speaker
And then the thing that just confused me the most, we get to the very end and it still doesn't say the name of the game.
00:49:49
Speaker
But then if you look in the lower right hand side or towards the bottom last five or six seconds, you can see the actual name Galactic Tank Force.
00:49:57
Speaker
So they still say the name.
Comparing Pinball Marketing Strategies
00:49:59
Speaker
on the teaser, but they say it at the very bottom, which is like the trademark text or whatever it was at the bottom.
00:50:05
Speaker
So I, I'm still not quite sure what to make of it heads or tails.
00:50:09
Speaker
Honestly, I still don't know.
00:50:10
Speaker
I guess the names there are people associated with working on the pen after Googling a couple of the first names that they seem to be actors or actresses.
00:50:19
Speaker
I think somebody played Sonya blade or something like that in the past for mortal combat.
00:50:23
Speaker
So, I mean, it just, I, my fear for that is, um,
00:50:28
Speaker
is that teaser did not get people very excited for what it is.
00:50:35
Speaker
And it didn't really give an indication of what the pen is, right?
00:50:40
Speaker
It felt like unintentional misdirect, the completely the wrong direction, which is what you don't want to do when you're trying to get hype up
00:50:49
Speaker
For your pain.
00:50:49
Speaker
Cause look at like, we have to compare this because everybody's on the equal playing field.
00:50:53
Speaker
Everybody's trying to bring it at TPF.
00:50:55
Speaker
We have to compare it to what Stern did with food fighters.
00:50:59
Speaker
They were very strategic in releasing multiple teasers.
00:51:03
Speaker
And what's the number one thing they did at the very beginning before they even showed gameplay, they tease the animations like, and that got everybody hyped.
00:51:12
Speaker
We play a physical game.
00:51:15
Speaker
of pinball, but yet the animations, that's what got everybody hyped.
00:51:21
Speaker
And so it's just kind of like whoever was making the decisions at Stern, they understood that.
00:51:26
Speaker
Whereas with, you know, with Galactic Tank Force and American Pinball, it was just like that, that didn't happen.
00:51:33
Speaker
You know, and it just, I don't know.
00:51:34
Speaker
It just felt weird just with the logo taking 20 seconds and big bold letters saying, I guess, a humongous amount of assets.
00:51:42
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:42
Speaker
Featuring literally a humongous amount of assets.
00:51:45
Speaker
What's that even supposed to mean?
00:51:47
Speaker
It sounds like.
00:51:48
Speaker
I don't know.
00:51:49
Speaker
I don't know.
00:51:49
Speaker
Cause I thought it was, I thought it was an original theme.
00:51:52
Speaker
So I would assume they have all the assets to it.
00:51:55
Speaker
I don't know.
00:51:57
Speaker
Apparently they couldn't trade trademark a butt tongue.
00:52:01
Speaker
And here's the other thing, too.
00:52:02
Speaker
If you're going to present these people, because we Googled this after the fact, right?
00:52:06
Speaker
I went through and I atomized all the people that they said they were featuring.
00:52:10
Speaker
Like you said, the very first one she was in, Mortal Kombat 3 was her highlight as Sonya Blade.
00:52:15
Speaker
The next person was, he did animation, but the last animation he really did was for NBA 2K15.
00:52:22
Speaker
That's been almost a decade ago.
00:52:24
Speaker
And then the other two people, I couldn't find anything about that.
00:52:28
Speaker
And so if you're introducing these people, you should have had some kind of small snippet of them on your website.
00:52:36
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So that way when someone Googles, it takes them to your website.
00:52:39
Speaker
You know what I'm saying?
00:52:40
Speaker
Like this whole thing was just a cluster and it made no sense.
00:52:43
Speaker
Like I've never looked at a pinball machine like, no, that's not fun for my family at all.
00:52:47
Speaker
Why did you start with like presenting game five, fun for the whole family?
00:52:53
Speaker
Can you think a pinball machine like maybe like Guns N' Roses not on a...
00:52:57
Speaker
on adult mode.
00:52:58
Speaker
I wouldn't want around my kids or Rick and Morty, but it just, it almost felt like that in this teaser trailer, if you really watch it, it almost feels like there's a bunch of placeholders in it and somebody forgot to take the placeholders out.
00:53:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:13
Speaker
Just, just seeing game five and seeing random names that you have no attachment to, you have no association with just seeing the logo last as long as it did.
00:53:21
Speaker
And then seeing literally no name of the pinball machine that
00:53:26
Speaker
anywhere except for the very bottom and little tiny texts.
00:53:29
Speaker
Cause if you're on mobile, I had a few friends look at it on mobile too.
00:53:33
Speaker
So they could tell me, what do you think of this?
00:53:35
Speaker
And they had no idea what they were saying.
00:53:37
Speaker
These were non pinball people and they literally had no idea what it meant.
00:53:41
Speaker
Because to them, even though they see American pinball, they still don't associate it with that.
00:53:45
Speaker
As a manufacturer.
00:53:47
Speaker
Right.
00:53:47
Speaker
They don't know.
00:53:48
Speaker
So they're just like, is this a cartoon coming out?
00:53:51
Speaker
That, that, that was what a lot of people were asking me.
00:53:54
Speaker
And this, this is non pinball people.
00:53:55
Speaker
So that's the thing.
00:53:56
Speaker
It's like, how are you going to market this?
00:53:58
Speaker
Are you going to market it towards just people that just know pinball that know that you're coming out with this?
00:54:03
Speaker
Or do you want to try to get another audience?
00:54:05
Speaker
So yeah, I,
00:54:07
Speaker
I don't know.
00:54:07
Speaker
I'm just very confused by it.
00:54:08
Speaker
And that's the last thing you want out of your marketing.
00:54:10
Speaker
You don't want it to create more confusion.
00:54:14
Speaker
It seemed like they were trying to go for, um, like building the suspense.
00:54:20
Speaker
So any Marvel movie, they have that, that panoramic shot where the, the Marvel letters are, are passing by and then it ends up
00:54:30
Speaker
right side up and you see Marvel and everyone cheers.
00:54:33
Speaker
And then you keep going.
00:54:34
Speaker
That's also for a two and a half hour movie.
00:54:36
Speaker
So you can have like a 20 second screenshot of the Marvel brand, but on a, on a 52nd trailer, it's confusing.
00:54:46
Speaker
Well, what's interesting.
00:54:47
Speaker
So let's juxtapose this with a multimorphic cause they did a very similar trailer.
00:54:55
Speaker
But the interesting part is, is I feel like they got away with it because they're
00:54:59
Speaker
We all know who Scott Denise is.
00:55:01
Speaker
And we're excited.
00:55:02
Speaker
And what I loved about their trailer is it said Scott Denise.
00:55:05
Speaker
And then it gave his credits, right?
00:55:07
Speaker
Total nuclear annihilation.
00:55:09
Speaker
Rick and Morty.
00:55:10
Speaker
Bo and Karens.
00:55:11
Speaker
We all know who Bo and Karens is.
00:55:12
Speaker
They're a good chunk of us, right?
00:55:13
Speaker
Maybe if you're first getting into the hobby, you might not.
00:55:16
Speaker
But the thing is, he has a built-in...
00:55:20
Speaker
In pinball, these are known names.
00:55:23
Speaker
Yes.
00:55:23
Speaker
In pinball, they're known names.
00:55:25
Speaker
And then it still gave like even people I didn't know that's on the team for Project Carbon is what they're calling it.
00:55:32
Speaker
They still gave their credit.
00:55:33
Speaker
So I then felt like they were official.
00:55:35
Speaker
You know what I'm saying?
00:55:37
Speaker
Sure.
00:55:37
Speaker
Where with Americans, we haven't a clue who these people are.
00:55:40
Speaker
I've never heard of these people.
00:55:41
Speaker
I've been in pinball.
00:55:43
Speaker
10 years now, almost 10 years.
00:55:45
Speaker
And I'm like, I've never heard of a single soul.
00:55:48
Speaker
That's why I was so confused.
00:55:49
Speaker
Even, even at the end when I was like, yeah, they just must be the name of the characters.
00:55:53
Speaker
P3 is now I will say P3 is a, it's a niche market.
00:56:00
Speaker
Like you are the only people who are buying P3s are people who are
00:56:05
Speaker
familiar with pinball.
00:56:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:07
Speaker
You may get a few random weirdo fans who will buy it, but for the most, but I mean, that's a crazy expensive purchase for, for one game.
00:56:17
Speaker
except for an L.A.
00:56:18
Speaker
Foo Fighters, apparently.
00:56:19
Speaker
But that's... You're marketing to a very specific audience.
00:56:25
Speaker
It seemed like American Pinball was hoping to tease to, I don't know, like a bowling alley or a fun skate, like an arcade, like get people back into the arcade.
00:56:38
Speaker
This is like that fun thing, but it just felt like it was out of time.
00:56:42
Speaker
We don't really know anything more about it.
00:56:44
Speaker
It could be that this is all...
00:56:47
Speaker
Once the game comes out and we say, wow, that's fun, then great.
00:56:52
Speaker
It could be awesome, but it's just confusing the only step that we have.
00:56:57
Speaker
Well, and Travis, I think I've seen marketing through your eyes because we've talked a lot about marketing over the last year at least.
00:57:07
Speaker
And what I think the problem is is a lot of these pinball companies are selling towards the niche part of pinball, right?
00:57:16
Speaker
I think the problem is we don't realize there's such a bigger pond out there.
00:57:21
Speaker
And look at Foo Fighters.
00:57:24
Speaker
It went with theme.
00:57:26
Speaker
The first thing they present is Foo Fighters.
00:57:28
Speaker
They never once in the trailer said Jack Danger's designing this.
00:57:33
Speaker
They did talk about zombie Yeti art.
00:57:36
Speaker
but zombie yet he's also a known quantity and i will say jack jackson known quantity in pinball too but not as a manufacturer but they're selling that product to foo fighters fans on top of pinball right with with with this multimorphic with american pinball it all feels like it's being strictly to the niche part which i'm not gonna lie
00:58:01
Speaker
there's what maybe 10,000 people that consume pinball media.
00:58:04
Speaker
That's really, really into like, they have to be on pin side every day.
00:58:08
Speaker
And there is a lot more than 10,000 people in this hobby.
00:58:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's huge.
00:58:12
Speaker
And so, well, a lot of it is too.
00:58:15
Speaker
It really depends on what your theme is too.
00:58:17
Speaker
So obviously American pinball is going with a original theme, right?
00:58:23
Speaker
So nobody's really going to respond to it.
00:58:26
Speaker
Unless you really push what that theme is.
00:58:29
Speaker
So lean into the campiness.
00:58:32
Speaker
That's what you need to lean into.
00:58:34
Speaker
So then your marketing needs to reflect that, that you're going all in on something like that.
00:58:39
Speaker
You know, whether it's showing like just that any type of animation that you have already or you're just showing something funny on the on the play field with art or something like that.
00:58:48
Speaker
Whereas if you do have a licensed theme, I think that the smart thing to do early on is to push what that theme is.
00:58:55
Speaker
I think if you push theme before design, before anything else, that's really key because then that's what gets people talking regardless.
00:59:04
Speaker
And then we really start to break it down afterwards.
00:59:06
Speaker
Everything gets filtered down into, okay, who's on design?
00:59:10
Speaker
Oh, what do we think the artwork's going to look like?
00:59:12
Speaker
Oh, okay.
00:59:12
Speaker
So it looks cool.
00:59:13
Speaker
How's it going to shoot?
00:59:14
Speaker
Oh, what's the code that all starts filtering way down.
00:59:18
Speaker
But the reality is, is that your primary base market, like the biggest part of it, it's just theme.
00:59:27
Speaker
They don't care what the design looks like.
00:59:29
Speaker
They don't care.
00:59:29
Speaker
They don't understand what the code is.
00:59:31
Speaker
Guys, I've talked to people that have played rush for a year.
00:59:35
Speaker
They had no idea a diverter was on there.
00:59:38
Speaker
I talked to somebody else that literally has a Ninja Turtles for two years and they did not realize the glider diverted.
00:59:46
Speaker
They had no idea.
00:59:47
Speaker
So, and this is the thing, this goes to show you that even people that you wouldn't necessarily consider casuals, some of this stuff still gets by.
00:59:54
Speaker
I mean, you know, not all of us can just do everything perfect, but that's just an example that there's a lot of times that people will just buy a
01:00:01
Speaker
right strictly on theme and yeah it's just i think what people got to realize because pinball itself is very niche but what's not niche is people that have game rooms at their house yep yep and themes that's not niche people want entertainment at their house so i preach this all the time and i know you guys hear this i know it sounds like a broken record if somebody new comes into pinball
01:00:26
Speaker
All the themes brand new to them.
01:00:29
Speaker
Everything is brand new to them.
01:00:31
Speaker
And that's the key of it.
01:00:32
Speaker
That's what creates this longevity.
01:00:34
Speaker
And that's what makes Stern so freaking strong compared to everybody else, because they have, they have the ability to put multiple games on the line and multiple games are in production, like over a dozen different themes.
01:00:46
Speaker
Look at just this past like year, right?
01:00:49
Speaker
We've had rush.
01:00:50
Speaker
We've had Foo Fighters, Elvira,
01:00:53
Speaker
I think Iron Maiden's coming back out again.
01:00:56
Speaker
We've had, gosh, guys, what else is there?
01:00:59
Speaker
Mandalorian.
01:01:00
Speaker
I mean, it just keeps going higher and higher.
01:01:01
Speaker
All these games are still in production.
01:01:03
Speaker
So, you know, yeah, you push theme more than anything.
01:01:07
Speaker
And so I think if, and of course, yeah, and you make sure you have cameras at work as well.
01:01:13
Speaker
El Gato, no signal.
01:01:14
Speaker
But I think more than anything, if...
01:01:18
Speaker
If I had a company that had a machine, right, that was just, it was a new theme.
01:01:24
Speaker
Nobody knew what the theme was.
01:01:26
Speaker
My whole thing would be leaning into what it is.
01:01:30
Speaker
If it's going to be campy, we're going to lean into campy.
01:01:33
Speaker
We're not going to worry about who's designing it.
01:01:35
Speaker
We are going to worry about who's on art because if the art looks great,
01:01:39
Speaker
Let's push that.
01:01:41
Speaker
Yep.
01:01:41
Speaker
Let's push all that.
01:01:42
Speaker
Let's push the art.
01:01:43
Speaker
Let's push the animation.
01:01:45
Speaker
Let's push the vibe that we are going for.
01:01:48
Speaker
And that's what would get people talking.
01:01:50
Speaker
What they need.
01:01:51
Speaker
They need to push it like Flash Gordon.
01:01:55
Speaker
And if you're old enough to ever have watched the Flash Gordon, that is campy as all get
Art and Theme in Pinball Success
01:02:02
Speaker
out.
01:02:02
Speaker
Right.
01:02:02
Speaker
When was that on TV?
01:02:04
Speaker
It was like the 70s.
01:02:06
Speaker
Josh, were you old enough?
01:02:08
Speaker
I was not even bored.
01:02:10
Speaker
He's making all these references there so far.
01:02:13
Speaker
Okay, but guess what?
01:02:15
Speaker
I'm the wheelhouse in the game, seekers.
01:02:18
Speaker
They're making for my generation.
01:02:20
Speaker
How does that feel?
01:02:22
Speaker
I feel great.
01:02:22
Speaker
I feel at home.
01:02:24
Speaker
I truly am Loser Kid 3 now.
01:02:25
Speaker
I'm so proud of this.
01:02:27
Speaker
I feel bad for Tom and Scott because me, you, and Joel have just been talking about Foo Fighters, right?
01:02:32
Speaker
And Tom actually has been pretty intrigued with it.
01:02:35
Speaker
I mean, he's a rock fan, you can tell.
01:02:37
Speaker
But I have noticed Scott has not been interjecting so much in our conversation in chat.
01:02:41
Speaker
Okay, that's because you guys have texted like a billion messages, and I have a J-O-B.
01:02:48
Speaker
I can't just...
01:02:49
Speaker
drop everything and it's like, Oh, guess what?
01:02:52
Speaker
I'm going to go and talk about, uh, talk about pinball for a while.
01:02:56
Speaker
Hey, excuse me while you're asleep under anesthesia.
01:02:59
Speaker
Let me go and blog about this.
01:03:02
Speaker
Priorities.
01:03:03
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:04
Speaker
My family was all sick, so I had to stay home.
01:03:05
Speaker
So yeah.
01:03:07
Speaker
1980, by the way, is when Flash Gordon came out.
01:03:09
Speaker
Okay.
01:03:09
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:10
Speaker
And Flash Gordon, the whole premise is this is how we know it's pure fantasy is he's a hero because he is quarterback to the New York Jets.
01:03:22
Speaker
Yep.
01:03:23
Speaker
That's it.
01:03:25
Speaker
Yep.
01:03:25
Speaker
And he was in Ted.
01:03:28
Speaker
Oh, yes, he was.
01:03:29
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:30
Speaker
I know about him right there.
01:03:32
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:33
Speaker
Anyway, it's just totally random.
01:03:35
Speaker
Yeah.
01:03:36
Speaker
I think eventually, hopefully with all these releases coming out, though, I think people will finally figure it out eventually.
01:03:43
Speaker
Like what gets attention?
01:03:45
Speaker
What doesn't get attention?
01:03:46
Speaker
And I think spooky actually out of anybody has done very well in getting attention to their stuff.
01:03:53
Speaker
You know, and I think if anybody's really going to
01:03:56
Speaker
To kind of look at a smaller manufacturer and say, okay, how do we figure this out in terms of at least getting our brand known and at least moving units?
01:04:06
Speaker
I mean, we could talk about the quality of those units all day long, but at least moving the units and getting a sell through.
01:04:12
Speaker
I think they're a good, good example to go by.
01:04:16
Speaker
How does spooky sell?
01:04:17
Speaker
Two things.
01:04:18
Speaker
Theme art.
01:04:20
Speaker
Yeah.
01:04:21
Speaker
I mean, Halloween sold 1250 games.
01:04:26
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just when they showed the art package and people were like, that looks awesome.
01:04:31
Speaker
And so they sold out instantly.
01:04:33
Speaker
So they're really leaning into that.
01:04:34
Speaker
I mean, they have Scooby-Doo, they got Rick and Morty.
01:04:37
Speaker
TNA was known, it was a passion project because people in the community know it.
01:04:43
Speaker
But yes, that is what is keeping the lights on a spooky theme and art.
01:04:49
Speaker
I'm hoping that, now I think American Pinball still makes a solid game when they make them.
01:04:55
Speaker
No, they do.
01:04:56
Speaker
No doubt.
01:04:56
Speaker
I had a Hot Wheels for a little while and that thing was, I mean, pun intended, that thing was built like a tank.
01:05:02
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So I look forward to seeing the next game and see if it actually looks like a tank.
01:05:06
Speaker
That's what I want to know.
01:05:08
Speaker
It's just, it's so weird to me because American came out with, what was it, last year?
01:05:12
Speaker
They're like, we're building all of our cabinets the same because they're all different.
01:05:15
Speaker
Like Houdini has the little waves in the head and stuff like that.
01:05:17
Speaker
So it's really weird to be like, we're making everything the same across the board, except for our new game is going to look like a tank.
01:05:24
Speaker
But it does make sense.
01:05:26
Speaker
No one's brought this up, and I want to bring this up.
01:05:28
Speaker
I haven't heard this from any other media source.
01:05:31
Speaker
You know, they do talk about this being built like a tank and it being unique.
01:05:35
Speaker
Dennis Norman's done that before.
01:05:37
Speaker
He did it with Wonelli.
01:05:38
Speaker
It was put up on a crate.
01:05:41
Speaker
Yeah, it wasn't legs.
01:05:41
Speaker
It was on a crate with beer cans that you adjusted to...
01:05:45
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why it doesn't shock me we're doing something like a tank you know what i'm saying well because it's dennis norman yeah however if it only looks like a tank when the back box is folded down doesn't it look like your tank is under repair when the back box is folded up and you're like looking under the hood of the tank okay how amazing would destroy the lore for us we
01:06:06
Speaker
How amazing would it be?
01:06:07
Speaker
We're talking about portable pinball, right?
01:06:10
Speaker
You can step onto it like a tank and drive it around.
01:06:12
Speaker
Dude, that would be awesome.
01:06:14
Speaker
Yes, and then you can take it wherever you want to go.
01:06:16
Speaker
It'd be the most accessible pinball machine ever.
01:06:18
Speaker
Absolutely.
01:06:19
Speaker
It comes with a battery pack, so you could drive it down to the pizza parlor.
01:06:22
Speaker
Make a couple bucks and drive it home, right?
01:06:24
Speaker
We're just all in the parking lot at TPF with a bunch of tanks just going around.
01:06:28
Speaker
No, this is a pinball machine on a Segway.
01:06:31
Speaker
Exactly.
01:06:32
Speaker
That's what I have in mind.
01:06:33
Speaker
There's just like a dozen of us all out there.
01:06:36
Speaker
We're talking, uh, we're talking, uh, Job from, uh, or is it Job from Arrested Development?
01:06:42
Speaker
How he wrote around on the segue?
01:06:43
Speaker
Yeah.
01:06:44
Speaker
Yeah.
01:06:46
Speaker
Arrested Development's not that old of a show.
01:06:49
Speaker
Okay.
01:06:50
Speaker
You should at least know what that is.
01:06:52
Speaker
I have heard of the name.
01:06:53
Speaker
I've never seen one episode.
01:06:55
Speaker
Oh my gosh.
01:06:56
Speaker
I've watched a couple.
01:06:57
Speaker
They're good.
01:06:58
Speaker
It's actually pretty funny.
01:06:59
Speaker
You've watched two?
01:07:00
Speaker
Or three?
01:07:01
Speaker
I think three.
01:07:02
Speaker
Three?
01:07:03
Speaker
So that third one, you were just like, nah, I can't do it anymore.
01:07:06
Speaker
It's pretty good, but reason enough.
01:07:07
Speaker
I don't know about you, but I watch shows with my wife, and it has to become kind of a collaborative effort.
01:07:12
Speaker
So if we're both not into the show, it kind of falls by the wayside, right?
01:07:16
Speaker
Hey, that works for me, too.
01:07:19
Speaker
All British period pieces from the 1950s to 60s, apparently we're both into it.
01:07:26
Speaker
I've never actually said that, but apparently we're both into.
01:07:29
Speaker
Really?
01:07:29
Speaker
So you figured out how to watch shows with the wife then?
01:07:32
Speaker
That's excellent.
01:07:33
Speaker
I've actually been banned from watching certain shows with my wife.
01:07:37
Speaker
So...
01:07:38
Speaker
Like, first time, apparently, I got, I literally got us kicked out, or I say I got us kicked out.
01:07:44
Speaker
I got kicked out of the theater when I went to go watch a Twilight movie with her.
01:07:48
Speaker
Because apparently, like, yeah, I was trying to be a good husband, guys.
01:07:52
Speaker
You guys laugh.
01:07:52
Speaker
I was being an excellent husband, right?
01:07:54
Speaker
Okay, but, but you showed up.
01:07:56
Speaker
Is that before you got kicked out?
01:07:57
Speaker
And then Joel showed up with his, like, glitter makeup and...
01:08:01
Speaker
Yeah.
01:08:02
Speaker
So I was trying to keep it together with guys, the damn thing.
01:08:05
Speaker
And sorry, spoilers for anybody that really wanted to see this.
01:08:08
Speaker
They just kept glittering and I just couldn't take it anymore.
01:08:11
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And I just started laughing.
01:08:12
Speaker
I just could not control it.
01:08:14
Speaker
All these women were looking at me.
01:08:16
Speaker
My wife is like hitting me at the side.
01:08:17
Speaker
She's like, you have to go.
01:08:19
Speaker
You are ruining this for me.
01:08:20
Speaker
You're ruining this for other people.
01:08:21
Speaker
I'm like, I'm sorry.
01:08:22
Speaker
I'm not trying to.
01:08:24
Speaker
Please say you went home and like a glitter bombed yourself.
01:08:27
Speaker
And it's like, yeah.
01:08:28
Speaker
No, no.
01:08:29
Speaker
I just, I, I went to the concession stand, got me a refill of popcorn and I just, you know, just kind of chilled out.
01:08:36
Speaker
Wait, did you just go into another movie?
01:08:37
Speaker
Cause that's what I would have done.
01:08:38
Speaker
I nearly did.
01:08:39
Speaker
I was really close.
01:08:41
Speaker
I was just glad not everybody was booing me as I was walking out of the theater.
01:08:44
Speaker
Cause I didn't mean to be disruptive.
01:08:46
Speaker
I'm not the type that talks or takes calls, but I was just, I couldn't handle it.
01:08:50
Speaker
There's gotta be some Marvel movie showing sometime.
01:08:53
Speaker
Right, exactly.
01:08:54
Speaker
It'd be fine.
01:08:55
Speaker
So that was the first thing I've been banned from.
01:08:57
Speaker
The second thing I've been banned from is I'm not allowed...
01:09:02
Speaker
to watch any horror movies with her.
01:09:04
Speaker
If I've had more than two beers, like I'm not allowed.
01:09:08
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Right.
01:09:08
Speaker
Why is that?
01:09:09
Speaker
Because apparently it's like, yeah, well, yeah.
01:09:13
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It's like, I'm gizmo after like eating, you know, food after midnight, I just turn into like just this ultimate, just clear, feral creature.
01:09:22
Speaker
Yeah.
01:09:22
Speaker
Well, I'm like a clairvoyant when it comes to like horror movies and I have a couple of beers and
01:09:28
Speaker
And at the same time, I cannot control my laughter either.
01:09:30
Speaker
Everything is funny to me.
01:09:32
Speaker
So apparently I ruined what was supposed to be a very scary movie.
01:09:37
Speaker
And she was legit like mad about it.
01:09:42
Speaker
I was having the greatest time though.
01:09:43
Speaker
The first 60 minutes of that movie was lit, but apparently for her, it was not.
01:09:47
Speaker
Do you remember what movie that was?
01:09:50
Speaker
No, I have no idea, but I know it was fun.
01:09:52
Speaker
Yeah.
01:09:54
Speaker
It was that good.
01:09:54
Speaker
Yeah.
01:09:56
Speaker
I think it was actually, I think it was the, um, the conjuring.
01:09:59
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It was one of those.
01:10:00
Speaker
Okay.
01:10:00
Speaker
Gotcha.
01:10:01
Speaker
It had the, it had the doll thing that was running around for like one scene or something where it was behind glass.
01:10:06
Speaker
And I, and I, yeah, I'm not really into horror.
01:10:09
Speaker
So I, I, I can't really,
01:10:12
Speaker
You just got to have a couple of beers.
01:10:14
Speaker
It's excellent.
01:10:15
Speaker
It's fine.
01:10:17
Speaker
I'll just throw back some Mountain Dews and call it good.
01:10:21
Speaker
Has that movie Megan being pushed on you as well?
01:10:23
Speaker
I get on Instagram and the next day I know it's like, watch Megan.
01:10:27
Speaker
I don't know if that's
01:10:29
Speaker
So I got to watch that.
01:10:31
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My wife let me watch that with her because it was it was advertised as a comedy horror movie or a horror comedy.
01:10:39
Speaker
So that was my in right there.
01:10:40
Speaker
It was fine.
01:10:41
Speaker
It was supposed to be funny.
01:10:42
Speaker
You could laugh at it because.
01:10:43
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Yeah.
01:10:44
Speaker
And I did.
01:10:45
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And she laughed, too.
01:10:46
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And we had a great time.
01:10:47
Speaker
That's a happy marriage right there.
01:10:48
Speaker
You make sure that if you're going to watch a horror movie, you have a two drink minimum before you walked into the show.
01:10:54
Speaker
Luckily now it's, I just watch everything at home before, before I knew how to game the system.
01:11:00
Speaker
So do you guys have like movie theaters around you to where they have a bar attached to it and they give you like a 16 or 32 ounce drink with it that has like some weird name that's associated with the movie that you're watching?
01:11:12
Speaker
Heavens no.
01:11:13
Speaker
We're in Utah.
01:11:14
Speaker
Does that exist in Utah?
01:11:16
Speaker
Okay.
01:11:17
Speaker
Dude, this isn't Louisiana.
01:11:19
Speaker
We don't have drive-through liquor stores.
01:11:21
Speaker
Yeah.
01:11:22
Speaker
What are you talking about?
01:11:23
Speaker
We have drive-thru soda shops.
01:11:26
Speaker
That is true.
01:11:27
Speaker
Ain't nobody going to be smuggling in 64 ounces of liquor into a movie.
01:11:33
Speaker
Yeah.
01:11:33
Speaker
Mixology outside of Utah is you mix your alcohol here in Utah.
01:11:37
Speaker
It's seriously a giant soda shack where they mix all these flavors.
01:11:41
Speaker
Which flavor do you want in your Diet Coke?
01:11:43
Speaker
Do you want it to taste like a s'mores or a chocolate cheesecake?
01:11:46
Speaker
Do you want dirty, which is coconut.
01:11:48
Speaker
That tells you how wild Utah is.
01:11:54
Speaker
You guys are lit.
01:11:55
Speaker
You want a dirty drink?
01:11:56
Speaker
Oh, he's got coconut in it.
01:11:58
Speaker
We're going to take the zero out of it.
01:12:00
Speaker
Exactly.
01:12:00
Speaker
We're going full sugar.
01:12:03
Speaker
It sounds like Tom.
01:12:06
Speaker
So you basically just go to the bar that's adjacent to the movie theater and then... No, no, no, no.
01:12:13
Speaker
The bar was in the theater, right?
01:12:15
Speaker
Oh, wow.
01:12:15
Speaker
Okay.
01:12:16
Speaker
It was in the theater.
01:12:17
Speaker
So the trick was is you would have their 32-ounce.
01:12:22
Speaker
It was called Darkseid.
01:12:23
Speaker
That was the drink, right?
01:12:25
Speaker
It was based off Star Wars and all that.
01:12:27
Speaker
You would have that drink.
01:12:28
Speaker
They had a two drink minimum, right?
01:12:30
Speaker
Then they would cut you off.
01:12:32
Speaker
But what they didn't do was once you tabbed out and went to the movie theater, the waiters came back to you there.
01:12:40
Speaker
Oh, and they, it's like a clean slate.
01:12:43
Speaker
You just got a mulligan.
01:12:44
Speaker
Okay.
01:12:44
Speaker
They're good to go.
01:12:46
Speaker
There is a theater in downtown Salt Lake called broo v's.
01:12:50
Speaker
So that, and similar, but yeah.
01:12:53
Speaker
Okay.
01:12:54
Speaker
So there you go.
01:12:55
Speaker
See, now you guys know that's the trick right there.
01:12:57
Speaker
I'm handing out.
01:12:58
Speaker
I think that's the only way I'd watch Megan.
01:13:01
Speaker
If I were, if I were slipped a drink.
01:13:03
Speaker
Well,
01:13:03
Speaker
I don't like horror movies, so I don't know why it keeps being pushed on me to watch this movie.
01:13:07
Speaker
And I'm like, you don't, you don't watch any horror movies at all.
01:13:10
Speaker
Not really.
01:13:10
Speaker
So my wife talks through, she doesn't like to get, she doesn't like to get scared during the movie.
01:13:15
Speaker
So she will talk the whole movie.
01:13:17
Speaker
That's the way you watch a horror movie.
01:13:19
Speaker
Seriously.
01:13:19
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:20
Speaker
That that's okay.
01:13:21
Speaker
However, I will say that I have some friends who they went, they said the one thing you have to do is go to a horror movie in the South because it is like audience participation.
01:13:34
Speaker
100% can confirm.
01:13:36
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:13:36
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:36
Speaker
And it's just like, oh, wow.
01:13:38
Speaker
That would actually make it kind of funny.
01:13:42
Speaker
The most lit crowd I've ever been associated with.
01:13:45
Speaker
I was in college and we went to go see the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
01:13:51
Speaker
And this is like the Jessica Biel version, right?
01:13:53
Speaker
Yeah.
01:13:54
Speaker
And I'm saying this is like a dingy theater.
01:13:57
Speaker
I probably shouldn't have been here.
01:13:58
Speaker
I went with like our whole baseball team and our softball team and part of the basketball team.
01:14:02
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We go to this area.
01:14:04
Speaker
And it's like anything else you could tell there was, there was a smell of a certain plant in the air.
01:14:09
Speaker
And so you just knew you were like, what am I getting myself into?
01:14:13
Speaker
And instantly, like everybody's standing up cheering, everybody's yelling, you're going to die mother.
01:14:18
Speaker
Like, I mean, it is just wild.
01:14:21
Speaker
And I don't remember even hearing them say one thing because that theater wasn't quiet at all for the whole entire movie.
01:14:27
Speaker
But it's the most entertaining night at the movies that I've ever been a part of.
01:14:32
Speaker
Except for Twilight and getting kicked out of the theater by my own wife.
01:14:34
Speaker
But other than that, it was great.
01:14:36
Speaker
Oh, my goodness.
Movie Anecdotes and Pinball Transition
01:14:39
Speaker
We're talking about pinball, right?
01:14:40
Speaker
We are.
01:14:42
Speaker
We are getting so off topic.
01:14:43
Speaker
Okay.
01:14:45
Speaker
So we've talked.
01:14:45
Speaker
We've talked.
01:14:46
Speaker
We've talked about GTF.
01:14:47
Speaker
We talked about food fighters.
01:14:49
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Okay.
01:14:49
Speaker
We've talked about multimorphic.
01:14:51
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Yeah.
01:14:52
Speaker
Tangentially.
01:14:53
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I'm sure we'll circle around at some point and discuss these.
01:14:56
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JJP at one point in time said saddle up to our table or something like that.
01:15:00
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Yeah.
01:15:00
Speaker
They put out a teaser.
01:15:02
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Yeah.
01:15:02
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On Facebook.
01:15:04
Speaker
With a cover on Facebook.
01:15:05
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Yeah.
01:15:05
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Yeah.
01:15:07
Speaker
I think that was their teaser.
01:15:08
Speaker
Yeah.
01:15:09
Speaker
Maybe.
01:15:09
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Yeah.
01:15:10
Speaker
I love
Harry Potter and Godfather Pinball Speculation
01:15:11
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though how everyone's thinking this is Harry Potter because Jersey Jack.
01:15:15
Speaker
That's a total troll.
01:15:16
Speaker
There's no chance.
01:15:17
Speaker
Like that.
01:15:18
Speaker
You cannot keep that under wraps.
01:15:20
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Everybody.
01:15:21
Speaker
When, when pirates of the Caribbean were coming out, people are like, Oh, do you think it's this?
01:15:26
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And that was just a total cover.
01:15:28
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And they're like, yeah, no, it's totally pirates.
01:15:31
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And there's zero chance that this is anything other than the Godfather.
01:15:37
Speaker
And everybody's hoping it's not the Godfather three, especially with that teaser, that teaser confirmed.
01:15:43
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Yes.
01:15:43
Speaker
So there was actually, I don't know if you guys have read the comments.
01:15:46
Speaker
There were people that at least I've seen this on Reddit and I've seen this on a couple other message boards.
01:15:53
Speaker
there were people that were legitimately pissed about Jack touting Harry Potter, just kind of like teasing it.
01:16:00
Speaker
And then they do this.
01:16:01
Speaker
They were just like, I don't trust it.
01:16:04
Speaker
I can't, why would they do this?
01:16:05
Speaker
Yada, yada, yada.
01:16:06
Speaker
And I'm just like, man, it's just, I mean, but it got people wondering all of a sudden, but it's like misdirect, you know?
01:16:14
Speaker
Okay.
01:16:14
Speaker
We know that I guarantee it's all about money, right?
01:16:18
Speaker
The answer to all your questions is money.
01:16:20
Speaker
And so at some point,
01:16:22
Speaker
it will make sense for the Harry Potter license to want to do something in pinball.
01:16:28
Speaker
I mean, come on, they've done lunch boxes.
01:16:30
Speaker
They've done online games.
01:16:32
Speaker
Like you can't tell me they're too highbrow for pinball.
01:16:35
Speaker
Like I, I guarantee JK Rowlands doesn't even know anything about pinball other than the Tommy, like the who Tommy.
01:16:42
Speaker
Um, and so like, you know, she does not have a vendetta against pinball.
01:16:46
Speaker
There's no chance.
01:16:48
Speaker
Yeah.
01:16:48
Speaker
But
01:16:49
Speaker
It's eventually something like that will happen.
01:16:51
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Now, I don't really care.
01:16:54
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I actually checked out of Harry Potter and like the the fifth movie, because that was when I was like, really, these kids in an after school club are are taking out these elite wizards that are supposed to be like making everybody shake.
01:17:07
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But these kids who have like an after school program between their algebra and their toad licking.
01:17:14
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They were able to train up for this.
01:17:17
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So I was like, I'm done.
01:17:18
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But at some point, it'll be done.
01:17:22
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It'll be done.
01:17:23
Speaker
I don't think Jersey Jack has Harry Potter just because Joe Kamenkao.
01:17:28
Speaker
Yeah.
01:17:28
Speaker
Yeah, Joe Kamenkao is so – he's like, if anyone's going to get their license, it's me.
01:17:34
Speaker
That man, he gets what he wants.
01:17:36
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We did an interview with him, and he has quite the sway outside the pinball world.
01:17:41
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I've learned that.
01:17:42
Speaker
Yeah.
01:17:44
Speaker
All right.
01:17:44
Speaker
So that's that like Godfather.
01:17:46
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Godfather's coming out to be determined what, what it's going to be.
01:17:50
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Just.
01:17:51
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Okay.
01:17:52
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However, I will point this out.
01:17:54
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Let's do a quick theme recap though.
01:17:58
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If you were to pick a theme that you're excited for, and I'm just going to, I'm just going to throw out the themes and you can just say yes or no.
01:18:05
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Okay.
01:18:06
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Foo fighters.
01:18:07
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Yeah.
01:18:08
Speaker
Yes.
01:18:08
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Okay.
01:18:09
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Galactic tank force.
01:18:11
Speaker
Meh.
01:18:12
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I'm getting myself excited for it.
01:18:14
Speaker
Yeah.
01:18:15
Speaker
Okay.
01:18:15
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Before seeing the teaser, super excited after seeing the teaser.
01:18:19
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Confused.
01:18:19
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Yeah.
01:18:20
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Okay.
01:18:20
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A little worried.
01:18:21
Speaker
All right.
01:18:22
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Okay.
01:18:23
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And then, um, the Scott, the Nisi title for multimorphic.
01:18:28
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Interesting.
01:18:29
Speaker
Okay.
01:18:30
Speaker
Okay.
01:18:30
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Yeah.
01:18:31
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Um, intrigued.
01:18:32
Speaker
Godfather.
01:18:34
Speaker
Yeah.
01:18:35
Speaker
Means nothing to me.
01:18:36
Speaker
Right.
01:18:37
Speaker
And I will say the movie.
01:18:39
Speaker
That's okay.
01:18:40
Speaker
That's even pushing my early childhood.
01:18:44
Speaker
Like this is like.
01:18:46
Speaker
Yeah.
01:18:50
Speaker
Originally.
01:18:51
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So we're really catering to the crowd that either loves the Godfather.
01:18:59
Speaker
Or you're like going for the Led Zeppelin crowd.
01:19:03
Speaker
Because how many people are saying, wow, I really want to... And Jersey Jack pinball machines, they're super expensive now.
01:19:14
Speaker
So it's $15,000.
01:19:16
Speaker
How many of them are going to get that?
01:19:17
Speaker
You can get the Star Wars Home Pen Edition for around $5,000.
01:19:21
Speaker
Does this do better or worse than Toy Story?
01:19:26
Speaker
I think worse.
01:19:27
Speaker
Just from thinking.
01:19:29
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Toy Story is like that family game room thing.
01:19:32
Speaker
And we talked about this before.
01:19:36
Speaker
Toy Story is actually just fine.
01:19:38
Speaker
Like the game is fine.
01:19:40
Speaker
Um, it's not super deep.
01:19:41
Speaker
It's not super complex, but I guarantee that if it were a different price, I would have one, but that price was okay.
01:19:48
Speaker
That's not for me.
01:19:49
Speaker
That price point is not for me.
01:19:52
Speaker
And if that's really the direction that, um, that Jersey Jack is going to be continually going, I don't think I want a $15,000 Godfather pinball machine when I could have a, a Foo Fighters, which is more of a fun, like party, party game.
01:20:09
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which is why they make party games because you know, it's a, it's, it gets your batteries going.
01:20:14
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Right.
01:20:15
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Yep.
01:20:16
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I can say what, what worries me the most about Godfather coming out is,
01:20:21
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is that compared to anything else that JJP has came out with or anything else anybody else has come in, I've never really experienced this much of a lukewarm response to a theme.
01:20:33
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Like
Potential New Pinball Themes
01:20:34
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even like Bond, there was a lot of people that are just kind of like, I'm not sure.
01:20:37
Speaker
But even Godfather, it's almost non-existent from everybody I talk to.
01:20:42
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Bond, you have dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun.
01:20:45
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People recognize that.
01:20:47
Speaker
With Godfather, you have this instrumental track that feels like you're walking into a cigar lounge.
01:20:57
Speaker
Yeah, it's almost like in order for this game to really hit it, it's almost like that it has, maybe it just takes place in the Godfather universe, but it's a different spin.
01:21:08
Speaker
Like Jurassic Park?
01:21:09
Speaker
Yeah, maybe that's the direction you go.
01:21:12
Speaker
Wouldn't that be just Mafia then?
01:21:15
Speaker
Yeah.
01:21:15
Speaker
And then you probably just call it.
01:21:17
Speaker
Well, Godfather probably has a bigger name though.
01:21:19
Speaker
Yeah.
01:21:20
Speaker
I mean, to be fair.
01:21:21
Speaker
So this isn't a Gottlieb where you have gold wings and, and right.
01:21:25
Speaker
You know, Hollywood heat as opposed to Miami vice.
01:21:28
Speaker
Yeah.
01:21:29
Speaker
I'm just not sure about it.
01:21:30
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I mean, it's just, so I guess this leads back.
01:21:33
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And of course we hear a lot of, a lot of different people debate on themes and all that, but obviously outside of Harry Potter, like what's a couple of absolute banger themes that
01:21:44
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That need to come out that if you guys heard that either Jersey Jack or Stern were coming out with this theme that you absolutely would have to play it like no matter what.
01:21:55
Speaker
Super Mario Brothers. 100%.
01:21:59
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Yeah.
01:22:00
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That's, that's what I would want.
01:22:02
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I would want Legend of Zelda.
01:22:03
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I would want Legend of Zelda.
01:22:04
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Legend of Zelda would be fine, but I mean, Super Mario Brothers, that can, the movies coming out, which looks fantastic from the, from the teaser trailers.
01:22:13
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It looks fun.
01:22:14
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It looks campy.
01:22:16
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It, it plays into multiple generations.
01:22:20
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And so that would be my go-to theme.
01:22:23
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If you could do that, it would be a Super Mario Brothers.
01:22:26
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Perfect.
01:22:27
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So Josh, what about you?
01:22:28
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What's yours?
01:22:31
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Scott, I'm up there with Scott.
01:22:32
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Super Mario Brothers.
01:22:35
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Legend of Zelda.
01:22:37
Speaker
That just seems, you know, I wasn't huge into Pokemon, but I think Pokemon would be a great theme.
01:22:45
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Movie wise, I just, I'm trying to think off the top of my head.
01:22:47
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I just, I don't know.
01:22:50
Speaker
Tenacious being the pick of destiny.
01:22:52
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I will say there's three themes that by every stretch from every bit of SEO I've seen, every bit of just asking, does this theme exist?
01:23:03
Speaker
And this is just from the common casual, right?
01:23:05
Speaker
Not even the hardcore pinball person.
01:23:07
Speaker
Okay.
01:23:07
Speaker
There's three major themes that I feel like would just do absolute gangbusters if they came out.
01:23:15
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So one of them, obviously Mario Brothers.
01:23:16
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And I think if they did it with the new movie that's coming out, you do it in that type of artwork.
01:23:22
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The animation is fantastic.
01:23:25
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It's like Super Mario World, which is 3D.
01:23:29
Speaker
That would be awesome.
01:23:31
Speaker
Yeah, you'd absolutely crush it.
01:23:32
Speaker
And I'll preface this with knowing that obviously it's hard to get certain license and hard to get assets and all that.
01:23:38
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So that's the first one.
01:23:40
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So you're you're dead on with that, Scott.
01:23:42
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OK, number two.
01:23:45
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Into the Spider-Verse.
01:23:47
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I think this pin, so I get it.
01:23:50
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People are just like another Marvel, another superhero.
01:23:53
Speaker
But this is different, right?
01:23:56
Speaker
This is a highly popular movie.
01:23:59
Speaker
If you look at how many views the trailer's gotten on YouTube, people are responding to it.
01:24:03
Speaker
Plus you have a different character, right?
01:24:07
Speaker
That's Miles Morales.
01:24:08
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So you got your minority character that's very, very popular.
01:24:12
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Plus they're bringing back Gwen Stacy too.
01:24:15
Speaker
So there's another...
01:24:16
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
01:24:17
Speaker
And not only that, you can have a backdoor hip hop theme pin.
01:24:22
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:24:23
Speaker
With the way that with the music.
01:24:24
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So you got the animations, you got the music, you got the different characters that is it travel.
01:24:29
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You know, this character travels throughout the Spider-Verse.
01:24:31
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So you can pull in different Spider-Men from everywhere.
01:24:35
Speaker
I think that that theme makes a lot of sense for pinball.
01:24:39
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Yeah, yeah.
01:24:40
Speaker
So that's, that's number two.
01:24:41
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We get asked about that a lot.
01:24:43
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And number three is an oldie, but a goodie that needs an update in that South park.
01:24:48
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Oh yeah.
01:24:49
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No, I are.
01:24:50
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Yeah.
01:24:51
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Yeah.
01:24:51
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By far.
01:24:52
Speaker
I am shocked how many people want this pin.
Adult-themed Pinball Market
01:24:55
Speaker
Cause the pin is, I mean, we all know what, how South park plays terrible, but people still want to play it just because they see South park.
01:25:03
Speaker
Right.
01:25:04
Speaker
So if somebody did an update at South park,
01:25:07
Speaker
My God, it would do, it would do a lot of business and a lot of great business.
01:25:12
Speaker
You're right.
01:25:13
Speaker
And I, I think that I'm stern to the other one.
01:25:17
Speaker
I, it would make sense if they were to able to, to bring that back and do, you know, kind of like I'm data East at Jurassic park and then stern to Jurassic park.
01:25:27
Speaker
If they did a similar treatment, just had a different take on it.
01:25:30
Speaker
Just give South park to Jack danger.
01:25:32
Speaker
I mean, we've seen, he does.
01:25:34
Speaker
That looks weird.
01:25:35
Speaker
That looks perfect.
01:25:36
Speaker
I mean, there you go right there.
01:25:38
Speaker
And the call out, I feel like the character or the,
01:25:41
Speaker
The, uh, the head guys of South park too, they, they do all kinds of different like video games and everything.
01:25:47
Speaker
I mean, they do a lot of different stuff.
01:25:50
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
01:25:51
Speaker
Like, I feel like there could be so much fun be had with that pin and you know, the current buying demographic where it's shifting to, cause it is shifting dramatically more than what people realize after COVID.
01:26:03
Speaker
I feel like that's the sweet spot right there.
01:26:06
Speaker
I mean, it would just be, it would be a big deal.
01:26:09
Speaker
I would buy a South Park episode if they had the the World of Warcraft as a mode.
01:26:14
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:26:15
Speaker
Yeah.
01:26:16
Speaker
It's a treasure trove of different modes.
01:26:18
Speaker
I mean, you would just have to be like, OK, look, people are going to get offended.
01:26:22
Speaker
But it is what it is.
01:26:23
Speaker
It's South Park.
01:26:24
Speaker
Yeah.
01:26:24
Speaker
Roll with it.
01:26:25
Speaker
And come on.
01:26:26
Speaker
They made the Sopranos.
01:26:27
Speaker
I mean, there's a mode that just swears at you.
01:26:32
Speaker
Come on.
01:26:34
Speaker
excuse me, last, the 2010s was the first time there wasn't a Playboy made for the last three decades, four decades.
01:26:41
Speaker
Speaking of... There was a Ronelli though.
01:26:44
Speaker
Yeah, there's a lot of... That still shakes my head every time.
01:26:51
Speaker
I'm like...
01:26:52
Speaker
But the point being is, I think Guns N' Roses has proved it, and obviously Godfather will show that there's still a demographic or part of the market that wants adult-themed machines.
01:27:06
Speaker
And adults are buying these games, so they're the ones that are going to decide whether they want it in their arcade.
01:27:11
Speaker
it's basically the same thing as video games, right?
01:27:13
Speaker
Like I'm buying Nintendo because that is a theme appropriate.
01:27:17
Speaker
And, and it is G for my kids like that.
01:27:22
Speaker
That's what I'm buying.
01:27:23
Speaker
I'm not buying them grand theft auto, but guess what?
01:27:26
Speaker
They sold a boatload of grand theft autos to a different demographic.
01:27:30
Speaker
Yeah.
01:27:31
Speaker
It's like movies.
01:27:32
Speaker
You're, there is a reason why there's, there are movies outside of the Pixar universe.
01:27:36
Speaker
Right.
01:27:37
Speaker
because people want to go see those movies.
01:27:40
Speaker
I'm not part of that demographic, but I'm also, I don't pretend that I am the, I am the cross section of all the demographic and pinball.
01:27:50
Speaker
Yeah.
01:27:50
Speaker
Yeah.
01:27:51
Speaker
I, I, uh, every one of those themes I think would, would sell gangbusters.
01:27:56
Speaker
And I think the miles Morales would be a great take on, um, it's kind of, and I know it's a, it's, it's a little bit of a re theme of a Stan Lee character, um,
01:28:06
Speaker
But it is a modern take on it.
01:28:10
Speaker
And so it doesn't feel like you're pulling from a character that was invented in the 60s.
01:28:14
Speaker
Yeah.
01:28:15
Speaker
Right.
01:28:16
Speaker
It's a relevant character right now.
01:28:18
Speaker
And it's different than the MCU.
01:28:20
Speaker
Yeah.
01:28:20
Speaker
And I'm sure that character is going to show up at some point in the actual movies and everything through their version of it.
01:28:26
Speaker
But now that the rumors
Pinball Machine Release Strategies
01:28:27
Speaker
are rolling around that the live action Spider-Men are going to be showing up into the Spider-Verse 2, it's like there's going to be a lot of attention.
01:28:36
Speaker
On this brand.
01:28:37
Speaker
And it's just it's going to get bigger and bigger and bigger.
01:28:40
Speaker
Well, and they greenlit what Andrew Garfield getting another movie and Tobey Maguire getting another movie.
01:28:45
Speaker
Spider-Man's definitely going to blow up here in the next one, the next five years.
01:28:49
Speaker
It seems to be the hottest property right now at Marvel.
01:28:52
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:28:52
Speaker
Well, even the news was talking about like the movie news websites and all that, that they're planning on having Tom Holland, Spider-Man kind of take the lead.
01:29:02
Speaker
Or be one of the main leads for the new Avengers movies and all this.
01:29:05
Speaker
So they're definitely going to push that character hardcore.
01:29:08
Speaker
So it's like, why not take the low hanging fruit?
01:29:12
Speaker
So I'm going to ask, cause we're starting to run out of time.
01:29:14
Speaker
Well, we kind of have, but I'm going to ask, is it a wise decision that everyone is releasing, dropping everything right now?
01:29:22
Speaker
Okay.
01:29:23
Speaker
I'm going to answer first and then I'm going to send it back to you, Josh.
01:29:26
Speaker
And then I'm actually going to send someone who has experience in selling pinball machines and see what he thinks.
01:29:32
Speaker
So, okay.
01:29:33
Speaker
I will say that is the, is the answer, is it good or bad?
01:29:38
Speaker
Yes.
01:29:39
Speaker
And I know that's kind of a pass, but let me tell you what I'm thinking, is that there is buzz for pinball, especially with Foo Fighter driving the bus on all of these things.
01:29:52
Speaker
And so you're going to get people who come in and...
01:29:56
Speaker
If you don't release now, then do you really think you're getting oxygen to your fire two months down the road?
01:30:06
Speaker
If you release Galactic Hang Force.
01:30:08
Speaker
If you're doing it both at the same time, and we know people... I am not the guy who needs something unique.
01:30:15
Speaker
I have a Ford F-150, which is the...
01:30:18
Speaker
The most selling truck in the United States.
01:30:21
Speaker
Okay.
01:30:22
Speaker
I don't really care if I'm unique.
01:30:24
Speaker
If it works, it works for me.
01:30:27
Speaker
And so there, but there are people who are like, ah, everybody's getting Foo Fighters.
01:30:33
Speaker
I'm going to get that because it's different and I can play Foo Fighters anywhere.
01:30:37
Speaker
So I think that at least it's not necessarily, I don't think Stern really cares because I don't think it really affects their sales.
01:30:46
Speaker
But there is a potential for different companies to piggyback onto the wave of Foo Fighters and say, oh, Foo Fighters is coming out.
01:30:57
Speaker
Oh, what else is coming out?
01:30:58
Speaker
So I will say that it's kind of, it's a yes, it's bad and good, but they're going to get more buzz by releasing at the same time than they would if they waited.
01:31:10
Speaker
Yep.
01:31:11
Speaker
And I think you're right there.
01:31:12
Speaker
I think the other thing is too, there's only so much limited money, right?
01:31:18
Speaker
At least for the people I talk to.
01:31:20
Speaker
And with this all coming out at the same time, I think it gives an opportunity to, oh yeah, I'll separate my money here or there.
01:31:28
Speaker
versus, because all these games are going to go out quick, right?
01:31:31
Speaker
Stern has proven they can produce in two weeks.
01:31:33
Speaker
I mean, Bonds and Anomaly, we're taking that off the table.
01:31:36
Speaker
But all the other releases, it's been within two weeks, they're getting them into arcades and they're getting to people's homes.
01:31:43
Speaker
And then with Toy Story, JJP proved they produce a lot of games and then when they release, they're getting them in within days, like two, three days after they unveil.
01:31:54
Speaker
So if that's the same with Godfather,
01:31:57
Speaker
These games are going to be right into homes.
01:31:59
Speaker
American Pinball proved this along with Legends of Valhalla.
01:32:02
Speaker
They had games produced.
01:32:04
Speaker
They were getting into homes.
01:32:05
Speaker
They had them in arcades when they revealed.
01:32:07
Speaker
So money's going to go out, and it's going to go out quick.
01:32:11
Speaker
I think...
01:32:13
Speaker
That's what you have to do with this is you're going to be fighting Stern.
01:32:17
Speaker
You're going to be fighting JJP or American or whatever.
01:32:21
Speaker
But it's better to do it now, my feeling, than in two, three months when the money's all gone, the refund money's gone, and then you reveal May, June, July, and no one wants to buy your pinball machine because they spent it on three other ones.
01:32:41
Speaker
that they now have to either get rid of because it's in their home.
01:32:44
Speaker
Right.
01:32:44
Speaker
Instead of where it used to be, we're announcing it.
01:32:47
Speaker
It's the only one that's getting it into two weeks.
01:32:50
Speaker
You might have your game in three months.
01:32:52
Speaker
I really think this is the only way to go.
01:32:55
Speaker
And the great part is, is we all win because they're showing it now, but a lot of this is all going to be at TPF.
01:33:00
Speaker
Yeah.
01:33:01
Speaker
And the other interesting part too is all the themes are different.
01:33:03
Speaker
You've got Foo Fighters, which is aliens and a band.
01:33:06
Speaker
You've got Godfather, which is a movie from the 70s.
01:33:09
Speaker
That's an American Film Institute classic.
01:33:11
Speaker
You've got an unlicensed theme in Galactic Team, the Tank Force.
01:33:17
Speaker
You've got Project Carbon, whatever that's supposed to be from Scott Denisey, but it's probably going to be an electric dance theme, Brutality in Your Face.
01:33:24
Speaker
And then we're hearing Pulp Fiction is the fifth one, which is a cult classic from the 90s.
01:33:30
Speaker
There's not, I feel like these are all very overlap.
01:33:32
Speaker
There's a lot of parallel lanes going on.
01:33:34
Speaker
Yes.
01:33:35
Speaker
There's a, there's a lot of Venn diagrams that do not touch in this one.
01:33:40
Speaker
And do you think that if, if you have it now, then there's a potential for a few people who are all in the same buying things like, well, he's getting that.
01:33:49
Speaker
I'm going to get that.
01:33:50
Speaker
Yeah.
01:33:52
Speaker
Possibly, but I think we see it with CGC and Cactus Canyon.
01:33:56
Speaker
I think the train has left the station on that one.
01:33:58
Speaker
People still want it, but it's not as high.
01:34:00
Speaker
I don't think the train has left the station.
01:34:01
Speaker
That's the problem.
01:34:02
Speaker
My point being is there's no tickets to the train.
01:34:04
Speaker
You can't buy a ticket to the train because the train is broken.
01:34:07
Speaker
But it's taken so long to get those out that the hype's kind of gone and people, there's still people that want them.
01:34:12
Speaker
The problem is, is the new trains are coming into the station.
01:34:16
Speaker
That's what we're aiming for.
01:34:17
Speaker
I don't know.
01:34:18
Speaker
What are you thinking, Travis?
01:34:20
Speaker
Well, as a pinball fan, I'm super excited about all this coming out at the same time.
01:34:25
Speaker
If I'm working with one of these companies, and I'm not spooky, spooky, I'm happy, I'm okay, it's came out.
01:34:32
Speaker
Stern, happy, I'm okay, it's came out.
01:34:34
Speaker
Everybody else, I might be a little bit nervous at this point, right?
01:34:38
Speaker
Just because it's, yeah, you're going to be competing for the same spot, but the problem is you have to run your race, right?
01:34:44
Speaker
You can't, if you start scheduling around other people, it just, it makes it very difficult in terms of keeping your business running and keeping cashflow going, keeping projects on time.
01:34:55
Speaker
I mean, that would make it incredibly difficult.
01:34:57
Speaker
And it's just, it's hard to pivot back and forth like that.
01:35:00
Speaker
I see this more or less that what I hope is that the companies that are debuting a game at TPF, assuming the games, which nobody, I don't think anybody's said yet that they're debuting a game at TPF.
01:35:13
Speaker
We're just all making that assumption.
01:35:15
Speaker
Like, is there anybody truly doing that?
01:35:17
Speaker
Yeah.
01:35:18
Speaker
I don't know about debuting.
01:35:19
Speaker
At least four of them have teased.
01:35:21
Speaker
And so what I would personally, what I would do, what I would be pushing for hardcore is to do something that would get people talking, right?
01:35:31
Speaker
The most make the biggest splash.
01:35:32
Speaker
Right.
01:35:33
Speaker
And I think the biggest splash that could be made is
01:35:36
Speaker
is not saying you're debuting at TPF or anything like that, right?
01:35:41
Speaker
You just, you have your, your thing scheduled for, I guess, for people to come think that you're talking or whatever, right?
01:35:48
Speaker
But people are kind of assuming, oh, you're going to show off the game.
01:35:51
Speaker
But then imagine if not only do you debut the game, you say, oh, by the way, we have 10 new in box right now and they're going to be sold this weekend.
01:36:01
Speaker
You can take it home right now today.
01:36:04
Speaker
Yeah.
01:36:04
Speaker
Like instantly you become relevant in the conversation without even having to move a ton of units.
01:36:11
Speaker
Like imagine if Jersey Jack did that with Godfather to where we're all wondering, okay, what about this theme, this and that.
01:36:17
Speaker
But they come out and they're like, oh, here's the game.
01:36:20
Speaker
And then behind this curtain, oh, by the way, here's five to 10 games right here.
01:36:24
Speaker
New in box that you can play.
01:36:25
Speaker
Because even like, think about when Alice Cooper debuted a few years ago, everybody was waiting in line for it.
01:36:31
Speaker
Right.
01:36:31
Speaker
For that, for that spooky game and watching it get willed in like, oh, we get to play here.
01:36:36
Speaker
I mean, I, I think it would be something special if somebody was able to get a game in box without it being announced and
01:36:44
Speaker
that it was going to be sold right then and there.
01:36:46
Speaker
And then they go ahead and put it up for sale.
01:36:48
Speaker
I think then you capture a lot of attention.
01:36:50
Speaker
You capture money early on, you get people talking.
01:36:53
Speaker
I think that's a, that's a huge momentum.
01:36:55
Speaker
So you could kind of turn this, this thing upside down on its head.
01:36:59
Speaker
It's like, okay, that company over there, they're debuting their game.
01:37:02
Speaker
Hey, it's there.
01:37:02
Speaker
Hey, guess what?
01:37:03
Speaker
We're debuting our game and you can take it home.
01:37:06
Speaker
Like right now.
01:37:08
Speaker
I don't know if that's possible, but that's just what I would have been pushing for.
01:37:11
Speaker
If you want to be first, right.
01:37:12
Speaker
If you're saying, well, you can either wait for your Foo Fighters premium on the second run six months away or three months or four months away, or you can take home this, this beauty right now.
01:37:25
Speaker
And I wonder if Jersey Jack might do that because with Toy Story, they came out with that game so quickly.
01:37:31
Speaker
I think it was like, what, the next day?
01:37:34
Speaker
I think I had one within 48 hours.
01:37:36
Speaker
Yeah, I was going to say you had yours less than 48 hours.
01:37:39
Speaker
Yeah, it was quick.
01:37:41
Speaker
And so something like that, that's unique that they were able to do that.
01:37:44
Speaker
So if they could turn right around and just literally debut the game and then get it sold to where not only can you play it here, you could take it home with you.
01:37:55
Speaker
I mean, that'd get people talking.
01:37:56
Speaker
I don't think that's been done at a show, at least not in recent memory from a modern pinball company.
01:38:01
Speaker
Yeah.
01:38:03
Speaker
I, yeah, I don't know about that.
01:38:06
Speaker
That's a good question.
01:38:07
Speaker
Yeah.
01:38:07
Speaker
Well, I'm going to leave it at that.
01:38:10
Speaker
Uh, I do want to bring up one thing.
01:38:12
Speaker
When we had Joel on, we did a top 100.
01:38:14
Speaker
It was Scott versus Joel.
01:38:17
Speaker
Scott had star Wars.
01:38:19
Speaker
Joel had pin bot.
01:38:20
Speaker
Travis, do you want to take a stab at think who won that one?
01:38:25
Speaker
So this is where they both had to describe it and fight for the machine and all that.
01:38:28
Speaker
Yep.
01:38:29
Speaker
Oh yeah.
01:38:29
Speaker
Definitely Scott.
01:38:31
Speaker
Like Joel, the way that Joel was describing, I'm sorry, people would only vote for him if they felt sorry for him.
01:38:38
Speaker
And I gave an amazing, accurate description on Star Wars.
01:38:42
Speaker
Oh, my goodness.
01:38:44
Speaker
You did.
01:38:44
Speaker
It was perfect.
01:38:45
Speaker
So actually, Scott lost by like a landslide.
01:38:49
Speaker
You need to see everybody just feel sorry for Joel.
01:38:53
Speaker
So this is the one that caught me was, I choose Star Wars just because Scott Larson did not want to win.
01:39:00
Speaker
Sorry, Joel.
01:39:01
Speaker
That was...
01:39:04
Speaker
Just, yeah.
01:39:06
Speaker
I will say that you chose some games that I have very strong non-interest in.
01:39:14
Speaker
I did not choose them.
01:39:15
Speaker
The random number generator.
01:39:16
Speaker
Yes, I know.
01:39:17
Speaker
If we had enough time, you know what?
01:39:19
Speaker
We should just do another one right now.
01:39:20
Speaker
Let's do it.
01:39:21
Speaker
I'm game.
01:39:21
Speaker
Let's go.
01:39:22
Speaker
All right.
01:39:22
Speaker
All right.
01:39:23
Speaker
Let's do this.
01:39:24
Speaker
I got extra time.
Pinball Machine Feature Debate
01:39:25
Speaker
Segment steal.
01:39:27
Speaker
We've got another couple minutes to do this.
01:39:28
Speaker
Let's hurry and do it.
01:39:29
Speaker
We got another triple drain guy.
01:39:31
Speaker
Yes.
01:39:32
Speaker
Travis versus Scott.
01:39:32
Speaker
Loser kid three.
01:39:34
Speaker
Loser kid three.
01:39:36
Speaker
Okay, Scott, since you let Joel go first last time, I'm making you go first this time.
01:39:40
Speaker
Ready?
01:39:40
Speaker
Okay.
01:39:41
Speaker
All right.
01:39:42
Speaker
Your number is 87.
01:39:43
Speaker
Is that what we got last time?
01:39:46
Speaker
Oh, my gosh.
01:39:47
Speaker
Is it?
01:39:48
Speaker
Did you refresh?
01:39:50
Speaker
I told you it was rigged for Joel.
01:39:52
Speaker
It was rigged for Joel.
01:39:54
Speaker
Okay.
01:39:54
Speaker
Top one.
01:39:55
Speaker
I'm going to the top one.
01:39:56
Speaker
It is pit bot.
01:39:56
Speaker
No, we're re-rolling this.
01:39:58
Speaker
Oh, my gosh.
01:39:59
Speaker
Seriously.
01:40:01
Speaker
No, no, no, no.
01:40:04
Speaker
23.
01:40:04
Speaker
How about that?
01:40:06
Speaker
How about that?
01:40:08
Speaker
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
01:40:10
Speaker
Okay.
01:40:10
Speaker
All right.
01:40:10
Speaker
All right.
01:40:11
Speaker
All right, Travis, you ready?
01:40:13
Speaker
Okay.
01:40:14
Speaker
Remind me of the rules.
01:40:15
Speaker
What do I got to do?
01:40:16
Speaker
I just like bash on it.
01:40:17
Speaker
18 is your number.
01:40:19
Speaker
So the first one is you're going to talk about your game.
01:40:22
Speaker
You're welcome to use any resource if you want to use the flyer itself or if you just want to talk from personal experience.
01:40:28
Speaker
You got 30 seconds to talk about your game.
01:40:31
Speaker
Then second round, you can either talk your game up more or you can bash the other person's game.
01:40:36
Speaker
Third round is closing remarks.
01:40:39
Speaker
And then we'll throw it to the audience that is listening right now.
01:40:42
Speaker
And they can vote to say who has the better argument.
01:40:46
Speaker
It's not the better machine because I noticed that in the comments was like, oh, you know, Star Wars sucks.
01:40:52
Speaker
It's pinballed all day.
01:40:53
Speaker
And anywho.
01:40:55
Speaker
That's what we're trying to do.
01:40:56
Speaker
So, Scott, yours was, what did you say again, Scott?
01:40:59
Speaker
It's Willy Wonka.
01:41:00
Speaker
Willy Wonka.
01:41:01
Speaker
Oh, this is the Battle of the JJPs.
01:41:03
Speaker
So, Travis has Guns N' Roses.
01:41:06
Speaker
GNR.
01:41:07
Speaker
GNR.
01:41:11
Speaker
They're both shaking their heads on this one.
01:41:13
Speaker
GTR.
01:41:14
Speaker
All right.
01:41:15
Speaker
I've got my stop-ups watched up and ready.
01:41:18
Speaker
I will say time when it's time to stop.
01:41:20
Speaker
Okay.
01:41:20
Speaker
Okay.
01:41:20
Speaker
Because obviously when I said... You said, Joel's like, oh, I got time.
01:41:24
Speaker
I'll keep talking for 45 seconds.
01:41:26
Speaker
All right.
01:41:26
Speaker
So Scott's going first and he's talking up his game, right?
01:41:29
Speaker
Yes.
01:41:30
Speaker
Okay.
01:41:30
Speaker
All right.
01:41:31
Speaker
I'll be quiet.
01:41:32
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Go.
01:41:34
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Okay, this actually is probably one of Pat Lawler's better games.
01:41:40
Speaker
I don't know if it doesn't capture the same thing as like an Addams Family or a Twilight Zone, but we're in a different era.
01:41:45
Speaker
This is a modern take on that game.
01:41:48
Speaker
It actually is a very good shooting game.
01:41:51
Speaker
Theme integration is fantastic on this.
01:41:53
Speaker
And the shots actually feel very smooth.
01:41:56
Speaker
It's not as difficult as Dialed In, so it is a little more accessible.
01:41:58
Speaker
And this is an awesome game that you can have for the family, and they'll come over and they'll want to play it.
01:42:05
Speaker
All right.
01:42:06
Speaker
All right.
01:42:07
Speaker
Give you a good example of what we're doing, Travis.
01:42:11
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:42:11
Speaker
I'm convinced.
01:42:12
Speaker
I need a Willy Wonka right now.
01:42:15
Speaker
Ouch.
01:42:15
Speaker
All right.
01:42:17
Speaker
All right.
01:42:18
Speaker
You ready, Travis?
01:42:19
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30 seconds.
01:42:20
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Yep.
01:42:21
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And go.
01:42:23
Speaker
All right.
01:42:23
Speaker
If you love playing with a ton of pinballs nonstop and just chimp flipping and silverback flipping and the game never ending Jersey Jack guns and roses is for you.
01:42:34
Speaker
Now, if you can avoid getting a seizure due to all the light show that happens.
01:42:39
Speaker
And if your ears don't start bleeding, cause let's face it, it's guns and roses.
01:42:42
Speaker
I mean, sorry, it is what it is.
01:42:44
Speaker
But if you can get through all that and you play with all the balls, my God,
01:42:49
Speaker
Fantastic game blows Willy Wonka out the water.
01:42:52
Speaker
I don't even know why I'm wasting my breath anymore.
01:42:56
Speaker
I can see how this one's going to go already.
01:43:00
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My game is so much better.
01:43:02
Speaker
I'm going to win.
01:43:03
Speaker
Your game has way more balls than mine does.
01:43:06
Speaker
That's definitely true.
01:43:07
Speaker
It's guns and roses.
01:43:09
Speaker
You got the balls.
01:43:10
Speaker
You got the balls.
01:43:11
Speaker
If you're playing this game, because my gosh, you have like 30 balls that you can get.
01:43:16
Speaker
And you can keep draining nonstop and you can keep going on this.
01:43:20
Speaker
However, if you want like the total immersion experience, then yes, Guns N' Roses is your game.
01:43:26
Speaker
If you actually want to be able to get into, you know, a legend of design like Pat Lawler, who will be able to do it.
01:43:34
Speaker
I mean, this is Eric's second game.
01:43:37
Speaker
Like, come on, he still hasn't proved himself.
01:43:40
Speaker
He cannot say he's better than Pat right now.
01:43:42
Speaker
Pat has like 500 games.
01:43:45
Speaker
Okay, time.
01:43:47
Speaker
You just went out of the gut.
01:43:48
Speaker
You're just like going out of the chute, right?
01:43:50
Speaker
You're just like, I'm just doing this.
01:43:53
Speaker
Okay.
01:43:54
Speaker
Let's hear your rebuttal, Travis.
01:43:59
Speaker
You know what the simple rebuttal is, is Willy Wonka creeps me the F out and it should creep you guys out as well.
01:44:06
Speaker
Let's face facts.
01:44:07
Speaker
It's not the Michael Jackson one.
01:44:09
Speaker
He has a factory with little Oompa Loompas.
01:44:13
Speaker
Those things creep me out.
01:44:14
Speaker
Literally, he lost a girl in the freaking river or a kid in the river.
01:44:18
Speaker
Remember that?
01:44:19
Speaker
I like who knows where that kid went probably in the back of a milk carton.
01:44:23
Speaker
Oh yeah.
01:44:23
Speaker
And the machine, it has like super spinner and, and you collect chocolate bars and stuff like that.
01:44:29
Speaker
Yeah.
01:44:29
Speaker
All right.
01:44:29
Speaker
Time.
01:44:31
Speaker
Okay.
01:44:31
Speaker
So did you watch this with Monica and she kicked you out like twilight because you were like ruining the horror suspense of it?
01:44:39
Speaker
Yes.
01:44:39
Speaker
That's actually true.
01:44:43
Speaker
We tried to watch the newest Willy Wonka because she loves Johnny Depp.
01:44:49
Speaker
It is nearly unwatchable.
01:44:51
Speaker
You're like, what am I watching?
01:44:53
Speaker
Did you know those squirrels in the new Willy Wonka were like trained squirrels?
01:44:57
Speaker
They weren't CGI.
01:44:59
Speaker
How weird is that?
01:45:00
Speaker
That's pretty weird.
01:45:02
Speaker
I didn't even know you could train a squirrel.
01:45:04
Speaker
I didn't know that either.
01:45:05
Speaker
I would have voted for Willy Wonka.
01:45:06
Speaker
Pat Lawler would have trained a squirrel.
01:45:08
Speaker
He rethemed it as no good squirrels.
01:45:16
Speaker
All right, Scott, give us your conclusion.
01:45:18
Speaker
Go.
01:45:19
Speaker
Okay, in all sincerity, Willy Wonka is a fantastic game.
01:45:23
Speaker
The rule set is very accessible.
01:45:27
Speaker
The shots are very good.
01:45:29
Speaker
It actually has that feel of a classic Pat Lawler game.
01:45:34
Speaker
And so if you are a really big fan of that feel, the Twilight Zone, the Addams Family, it actually fits right in with that, but it is a theme that people find beloved.
01:45:44
Speaker
All right, Tom.
01:45:47
Speaker
All right.
01:45:47
Speaker
Give us your closing remarks, Travis.
01:45:51
Speaker
My game actually has Slash on it.
01:45:55
Speaker
That's all I got to say.
01:45:56
Speaker
I mean, you're comparing Slash and Willy Wonka, right?
01:45:59
Speaker
I mean, last time I checked, Slash didn't lose any kids in a chocolate river.
01:46:04
Speaker
So it's perfectly fine.
01:46:05
Speaker
It also has an animated skeleton sex scene.
01:46:09
Speaker
So...
01:46:10
Speaker
All right.
01:46:11
Speaker
That's fair.
01:46:13
Speaker
I can't defend that.
01:46:17
Speaker
All right.
01:46:21
Speaker
Oh my goodness.
01:46:22
Speaker
We may have to put a PG rating on this one.
01:46:27
Speaker
It does have that.
01:46:29
Speaker
Yeah.
01:46:32
Speaker
On the adult mode.
01:46:33
Speaker
Yes.
01:46:33
Speaker
On the adult.
01:46:34
Speaker
Now I will say my friend does have a guns and roses and I actually do have fun playing it.
01:46:39
Speaker
It I've always compared it to, it is the most immersive experience in a pinball machine you can have playing that game.
01:46:45
Speaker
It really does feel like you're at a concert.
01:46:48
Speaker
It's a fun party game.
01:46:50
Speaker
If you, if you have it at home and you crank up the volume and you turn the lights out.
01:46:54
Speaker
Yeah.
01:46:55
Speaker
It's a fun party game.
01:46:56
Speaker
I enjoy it for that.
01:46:57
Speaker
Yeah.
01:46:59
Speaker
And the skeleton sex scenes as well.
01:47:03
Speaker
I played Wonka, got some really good time on it like a couple months ago.
01:47:08
Speaker
Like I played it here and there.
01:47:10
Speaker
I still do not like the upper flipper shot.
01:47:12
Speaker
I just, it's too hard to see.
01:47:15
Speaker
This is the challenge with Lawler is you either are a Lawler fan or you're not.
01:47:22
Speaker
There doesn't seem to be a lot of in-between.
01:47:24
Speaker
People have nostalgia for Adam's family because that seems to be the gateway pin of my generation.
01:47:30
Speaker
But I actually never played pinball until like 10 years ago.
01:47:35
Speaker
So I don't have that connection with Adam's family or even Twilight Zone.
01:47:41
Speaker
I have a Twilight Zone, but it's one that's been at someone else's house for a while.
01:47:46
Speaker
And I don't really miss it.
01:47:48
Speaker
So I'm...
01:47:51
Speaker
I appreciate Wonka for what it is.
01:47:54
Speaker
I am, I am not the person who in, who loves the, the Lawler approach to games.
01:48:01
Speaker
It's way too much trap and shoot.
01:48:04
Speaker
Yeah.
01:48:06
Speaker
So.
01:48:07
Speaker
Alrighty.
01:48:08
Speaker
All right.
01:48:08
Speaker
I think we've kept Travis up late enough.
01:48:10
Speaker
He's already had 25 plus hours of pinball.
01:48:12
Speaker
Oh my gosh.
01:48:13
Speaker
No, I enjoyed it.
01:48:14
Speaker
This is.
01:48:16
Speaker
Now I learned something new about Jersey Jack with the guns and roses.
01:48:20
Speaker
I completely forgot about that.
01:48:24
Speaker
Yeah.
01:48:26
Speaker
That, that is for anybody wondering about getting guns and roses.
01:48:29
Speaker
There is a family mode in case you want to make sure it's a little less.
01:48:33
Speaker
You may have to put pasties on the, on the, uh,
01:48:38
Speaker
on the little slingshots.
01:48:40
Speaker
I forgot.
01:48:41
Speaker
It wasn't one of the patches.
01:48:42
Speaker
It was like a brawl and panties too, right?
01:48:45
Speaker
Patches.
01:48:45
Speaker
Yeah.
01:48:46
Speaker
I should have added that in.
01:48:48
Speaker
I fully forgot about that.
01:48:49
Speaker
I was, I was so stuck on talking about how Willy Wonka was a creep.
01:48:52
Speaker
I should have just went all in on the panties.
01:48:55
Speaker
Yeah.
01:48:56
Speaker
Willy Wonka is a total creep.
01:48:57
Speaker
And also you, the video is not of young Axel.
01:49:00
Speaker
It's kind of the,
01:49:02
Speaker
the older axle i mean yeah axles a little little past his prime than that but it's okay you know let's just say it seems like he's hit a few speed bumps going 100 miles an hour i'm telling you if you zoomed up on axle and you watched him you wouldn't know if you're watching that or goonies with mama what's her name mama fatelli or whatever it's true
01:49:24
Speaker
Oh my goodness.
01:49:26
Speaker
I can't look at this anymore.
01:49:30
Speaker
Actually, there's another thing that I'll show you.
01:49:32
Speaker
That's I'll just send it to you and you'll take a look at it.
01:49:36
Speaker
It's awesome.
01:49:36
Speaker
All right.
01:49:37
Speaker
Okay.
01:49:38
Speaker
I can accept that.
01:49:39
Speaker
Well, we thank you, Travis, for coming on.
01:49:41
Speaker
How, if you want someone to get ahold of you, where, where can we find you?
01:49:46
Speaker
Oh gosh, probably.
01:49:48
Speaker
Unfortunately, I think after this podcast, I'm probably going to get sent back to triple drain.
01:49:51
Speaker
So I guess, I guess you guys can find me there.
01:49:55
Speaker
I mean, yeah, it's, it's unfortunate.
01:49:58
Speaker
I apologize for Joel.
01:49:59
Speaker
I mean, Tom's great.
01:50:00
Speaker
I actually just realized Joel messaged us like 15 minutes ago and said, Hey, how'd it go?
01:50:06
Speaker
Oh, is he trying to join Joel on?
01:50:07
Speaker
Hey guys, let, let him on real quick.
01:50:11
Speaker
Yeah.
01:50:11
Speaker
And then we'll just, yeah.
01:50:14
Speaker
I don't know if he's still up.
01:50:15
Speaker
He actually just said, no, he's still up.
01:50:19
Speaker
Tell him I'm
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01:50:20
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not here.
01:50:22
Speaker
You guys have bleeps.
01:50:23
Speaker
You guys have bleeps, don't you?
01:50:25
Speaker
So we're going to, I put it in the, in the after, after stuff.
01:50:28
Speaker
So yeah, it doesn't bother me.
01:50:30
Speaker
I just want his reaction to this.
01:50:32
Speaker
If he shows up, already have the gear tore down.
01:50:36
Speaker
What a baby.
01:50:38
Speaker
All right.
01:50:39
Speaker
I can just pick it up from right here.
01:50:41
Speaker
All right.
01:50:41
Speaker
Sounds good.
01:50:43
Speaker
And that's exactly why I need to live or leave triple drain right there.
01:50:49
Speaker
Unreliable.
01:50:50
Speaker
We're sending out the contract right now and we'll, we'll, we'll get you signed, signed and signed and trade, I guess.
01:50:56
Speaker
Cause you can get more of a, more of a deal if you sign and then trade like the super max deal.
01:51:02
Speaker
Yeah, that makes sense.
01:51:03
Speaker
I mean, I know everybody jokes about trading me for Elwynn and all that, but it's fine.
01:51:08
Speaker
I'm like the knockoff version from overseas that comes back and it looks nothing like the original or anything like that.
01:51:16
Speaker
It's like the soap operas where they change out actors, but they for some reason get like some facial reconstruction.
01:51:22
Speaker
Yeah.
01:51:24
Speaker
Yeah.
01:51:24
Speaker
Like Michael Jackson.
01:51:25
Speaker
Oh, geez.
01:51:27
Speaker
Is that what happened?
01:51:28
Speaker
His life was a soap opera.
01:51:32
Speaker
Well, we do appreciate you coming on, Travis.
01:51:34
Speaker
It's been great having you on.
01:51:35
Speaker
We'll have to have you on more often.
01:51:37
Speaker
This was this was awesome.
01:51:38
Speaker
Yeah.
01:51:39
Speaker
If you want to get a hold of us, we are Loser Kitchen Ball podcast at gmail.com.
01:51:43
Speaker
We are on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Twitch, YouTube.
01:51:48
Speaker
Is that all of them?
01:51:50
Speaker
We're on everything now.
01:51:51
Speaker
And Scott's like, we need to do a YouTube video because apparently he wants people to see our face.
01:51:58
Speaker
So I don't know.
01:52:01
Speaker
We'll talk about it.
01:52:02
Speaker
Yeah.
01:52:03
Speaker
Don't forget, live right now, you can get our shoes, you can get our shirt, and you know you want these for Texas Pinball Festival because you want to be the coolest kid at the party.
01:52:13
Speaker
So the coolest loser kid.
01:52:16
Speaker
Exactly.
01:52:18
Speaker
Which will definitely be true because Josh and I are staying home with the kids while our wives go to concerts.
01:52:24
Speaker
Exactly.
01:52:24
Speaker
So, so, all right, Scott, actually, no Travis, give us the last word.
01:52:30
Speaker
Wow.
01:52:31
Speaker
I, I don't know what to do with that.
01:52:33
Speaker
Um, bye.
01:52:34
Speaker
Foo fighters.
01:52:35
Speaker
Yep.
01:52:36
Speaker
Get all the Foo fighters.
01:52:37
Speaker
Bye.
01:52:37
Speaker
Bye.
01:52:37
Speaker
Bye.
01:52:49
Speaker
Shut up and sit down.
01:53:32
Speaker
Got it.
01:53:32
Speaker
All right, I'm here.
01:53:34
Speaker
Oh, cool.
01:53:34
Speaker
Hey, Joel.
01:53:36
Speaker
Yeah.
01:53:37
Speaker
Fuck you!
01:53:38
Speaker
I'm with Loser Kid now!
01:53:43
Speaker
Oh, that'll... We may have a family-friendly podcast.
01:53:46
Speaker
I don't think you... I think you forgot that.
01:53:52
Speaker
I will say when I'm listening to you guys, I do have to have the headphones on because otherwise my kids are going to drop a few F-bombs.
01:54:00
Speaker
Yeah, that's all Tom.
01:54:01
Speaker
I've got it recorded now.
01:54:02
Speaker
Well, you guys already know the answer, but Joel.
01:54:05
Speaker
Yeah.
01:54:06
Speaker
You've got Cactus Canyon there.
01:54:07
Speaker
Sure do.
01:54:09
Speaker
You've seen Cowboys.
01:54:11
Speaker
What are the pants that go over their pants called?
01:54:15
Speaker
Oh, pants that...
01:54:18
Speaker
Like the leather things that protect their- Yeah, chaps.
01:54:22
Speaker
Chaps.
01:54:22
Speaker
Chaps.
01:54:23
Speaker
So it's pronounced chaps?
01:54:24
Speaker
Yeah, it's chaps.
01:54:25
Speaker
Let me guess.
01:54:25
Speaker
So Travis said it like something completely- What the hell am I saying?
01:54:29
Speaker
You're the one that said it wrong.
01:54:31
Speaker
You're saying it wrong right now.
01:54:32
Speaker
Chaps?
01:54:33
Speaker
Is it?
01:54:33
Speaker
What is it?
01:54:34
Speaker
Chaps.
01:54:35
Speaker
Apparently they're French.
01:54:36
Speaker
Yeah.
01:54:37
Speaker
Chaps?
01:54:38
Speaker
Yeah, congrats.
01:54:39
Speaker
It is spelled- Yeah, the heck with that.
01:54:41
Speaker
It is spelled C-H-A-P-S.
01:54:43
Speaker
Nah.
01:54:44
Speaker
But it's short for chapareras.
01:54:46
Speaker
Sounds like he chapped your pants.
01:54:47
Speaker
Yeah.
01:54:49
Speaker
I'm going to stick with chaps.
01:54:50
Speaker
We're going to roll with that.
01:54:51
Speaker
Yep.
01:54:55
Speaker
So this is what, uh, this is the fun, the fun pit ball conversation you guys have been talking about.
01:54:59
Speaker
Yeah.