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Speaker: who the Oscars went to, but should they have gone there? Welcome to And the Oscars Should Have Gone To, a place where we discuss, debate, and decide certain Best Picture races from the Academy Awards, and then reveal who we think should have been awarded the Best Picture Oscar back then. Maybe our Best Picture pick was clearly the movie everybody loved back then.
Speaker: Maybe it was an influential work that filmmakers still discuss years later. Or maybe it's just the movie that everyone rewatched the year after year As always, we recommend that you folks at home watch each nominee so you can make your own determination and then let us know how wrong we are.
Speaker: And with that, we thank the Academy. Let's start the show.
Speaker: Welcome back to another episode of And the Oscars Should Have Gone To. This is episode five of season three. And this episode, we are talking about but the movies of the year 2000 that were nominated at the 73rd Academy Awards for Best Picture. And those movies are... Gladiator is an epic action-adventure drama directed by Ridley Scott, starring Russell c Crowe as a Roman general who is betrayed by the ambitious son of Emperor Marcus Aurelius, ah reduced to a slave, and rises through the ranks of Gladiator, determined to avenge the murders of his family and the emperor.
Speaker: Chocolat is a romance directed by Lasse Hellstrom, telling the story of Vianne Rocher, played by Juliette Bonoche, who arrives in a fictional French village and opens a small chucklet terry chocolate shop that soon influence that soon influences the lives of the townspeople of this refreshed press community in different and interesting ways. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is a martial arts film directed by ang Lee starring Chow Yun-fat and Michelle Yeoh that is set in 18th century imperial China and follows two master warriors who are faced with their greatest challenge when a treasured sword is stolen by a mysterious a thief.
Speaker: Erin Brockovich is a biographical legal drama directed by Steven Soderbergh based on the true story of Erin Brockovich portrayed by Julia Roberts who initiated a legal case against the Pacific Gas and Electric Company over its culpability for the Hinckley groundwater contamination incident.
Speaker: And finally, Traffic is a crime drama directed by Steven Soderbergh exploring the illegal drug trade from several perspectives, users, and enforcers, politicians, and traffickers with a multi-star ensemble. And I am here today with Dylan and Rob and... Hey, Glenis. Hey. How are you? good Good. Hi, Glen and Lisa and Neem. Our three devoted listeners. And as always, I just want to remind people to email us if you have opinions at the Oscars podcast at gmail.com. That's the Oscars with an S the Oscars podcast at gmail.com. If you want to give us your rant, your raves or just your trolly comments, that's fine. We will take them and read them on the air, including your name. Just kidding. um So let's start talking about these movies. um
Speaker: So this was the year that Gladiator won, but let's how about we start with Chocolat. Who would like to talk about Chocolat first? don't know. Yeah.
Speaker: i'm Sure. Chocolat. Charming little movie starring Julia Binoche and Judi Dench. And um it was some it was a movie that's that people, I think, will and enjoy. A little whimsical, little not very deep.
Speaker: um Oh, Johnny Depp. I forgot Johnny Depp. Yeah, how could forget Johnny Depp? You guys must have been like, when's he going to say it? No, I was waiting for When's going to say Alfred Molina? Yeah, Alfred Molina. True, true.
Speaker: yeah yeah no it it it was it had an effect on me this movie because i was eating chocolate throughout the movie i really was on purpose like did you break it out or like i broke it out no well i didn't break it out like before the movie the movie would just made me do it so right i don't know why feel like chocolate right now but yeah it's about a chocolatier yeah so she travels with her daughter And, you know, they landed a spot in Judi Dench's building and they open up a chocolatier and the townspeople think it's a real um shocking event because it's Lent. And they don't, you know, they don't understand why such a a nice little store with such treats should be opening up during Lent. So, and she's not a churchgoer either. And everyone else in the town is a churchgoer. So there's some controversy right from the, right from the beginning in this epic of a movie. But, um,
Speaker: i some Some critics didn't like the pacing of the movie. i like that I kind of like the pacing of the movie. I thought it was very drawn out in the right length. It was like a nice two-hour movie, which you know to depicted a chapter in the life of this woman and her daughter and you know the related townspeople.
Speaker: I have to say I remember nothing about the movie from seeing it 26 years ago. So it was like I was watching it for the first time. was interesting. I guess it takes place in 1959, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, something like Yeah, something that. Post-war, but before the swinging 60s and stuff. Correct, yeah. But Ocean Dent got several acting awards in different ways.
Speaker: different award shows for this for this movie. And, you know, I think especially Judi Dench, she's just she just commands the screen in every scene she's in. Very small part, you know, not not that. ah Well, she was the landlord, I guess. But, you know, there were there were more important parts, put it that way, in this movie. And she kind of brought hers to the forefront.
Speaker: I enjoy Rachel Portsman's soundtrack. I think it's excellent, mostly strings. Some guitar, like flamenco-style guitar. Not quite Bert Jans, but...
Speaker: Like Django Reinhardt. Django Reinhardt. Yeah, thank you. That's even better. um No idea who any of these people are. Yeah. ah i just I was reading some critical reviews, and the New York Times said, you know everyone had, like, positive, nice things to say about it. They didn't say it should be Best Picture, but they said it's like an arthouse movie for people who don't like arthouse movies, which think is a compliment. No, it is. Yeah. Yeah. it's It's a charming little movie, not too deep. I thought the casting, you write down to Alfred Molina, was very good.
Speaker: And i i I enjoyed it. i We'll see if I pick it for Best Picture later on. But I did enjoy it. What did you think, Dylan? Yeah, was really enjoyable. Whatever that quote was, it is kind of like an art house.
Speaker: Well, I mean, I think it's much more populous than that. But I understand it's a very odd subject. It's very magical realism and very whimsical. um But yeah, it's really enjoyable.
Speaker: um You know, again, there's there's themes about ah desire and obligation, but really it's just fun to watch, you know, Juliette Binoche kind of go from this really in control character. Then you realize, you know, she has her own Kind of indelicacies and and things that she's fighting against in her own way. Johnny Depp is really kind of fun as just kind of this supporting gypsy interloper. Alfred Molina is really good.
Speaker: Also, much like Juliette Binoche, kind of going the opposite direction, going from really repressed to, you know, finally at the end, kind of loose and accepting. And yeah, Judi Dench, who is a national treasure.
Speaker: International treasure. International treasure. yeah um Is great, like she always is. Yeah, it's a really fun movie. You know, I don't think it's something that's going to stay with you. it's Well, it's like chocolate.
Speaker: It's really delightful. and really fun. um and you know And then in the end, you're done. And you know yeah i don't think you really think it as one of the great films of the century, but it's really enjoyable. And does everything it needs to do very succinctly, very crisply.
Speaker: um And yeah, it's a lot of fun. i don't know. What do you think, Linus? Yeah. Yeah, you're never going to remember that individual piece of chocolate that you had that was amazing. And you're probably not going to remember this movie for very long after you watch it. But my feelings about it now the exact same as when I watched it 26 years ago, which was I really liked it then.
Speaker: i really enjoyed it now. It's really pleasant. There's zero things to be offended about it it. It just does exactly what it's supposed to do. It's a little bit romantic and whimsical and about passion and... um you know, repression and et cetera, et cetera. And, you know, um lessons will be had.
Speaker: And it's good to, it's kind of fun to remember that Johnny Depp could sometimes play understated. Like you almost never saw that after the year 2000, right? I forgot he was in the movie and I forgot again earlier in the yeah podcast again. But that's a testament to him, right? Like if it was Cage, you'd be like, oh yeah, this is the role that Nicolas Cage did something. But it shows Johnny Depp can be a good actor when he chooses to be.
Speaker: True. Which is not always often. But yeah, I i don't know. was like just This is like a perfectly pleasant movie. And if you'd like if you want to cheer yourself up, I think you should watch this and also get some chocolate like Ross and have some at home. But yeah, I think it's just, you know, about pleasure and desire and...
Speaker: And it's just a very cheerful movie, I guess. There's really not much more to say. it it isn't that deep. No. But I don't disagree with anything either one of you said. Just totally pleasant. I'd probably watch you to get it again in another 10 years if it was on, like, the Roku live streaming channel. Whatever I'm watching movies randomly on at that moment. um But, again, probably also won't –
Speaker: you know, probably won't remember much about the plot. now I've watched it a few times now. Hopefully I'll remember. But um yeah. You did enjoy it i really I really do like this movie and time has not diminished my enjoyment of this movie. So it's just a perfectly pleasant movie. um I think that's all we have to say about that movie, right? Perfectly pleasant, enjoyable. I can kind of see why it was nominated. Should we move on to traffic since we, since we all agree strangely on chocolate, let's just move on to traffic and, ah and ah Dylan, ah what do you think about traffic?
Speaker: I, I saw when it came out, uh, And I i thought it at first, I first view i thought was a bit of a mess, but I guess now that I know what to expect, it it holds together a little better.
Speaker: um It's pretty heavy handed with a lot of messages, but I feel the cast is so outstanding. You can kind of get past that. It's four interrelated stories about the illegal drug trade on the border, like San Diego, Mexico.
Speaker: And the Benicio del Toro storyline is probably the best. It's the best act. It's the most subtle. He's a Mexican cop or DEA. wasn't clear. I think a cop. And you know you wouldn't say he's up and up, but but um he you know his heart's in the right place. he He kind of knows what's going on. And and that part is really good.
Speaker: There's another storyline John Cheadle, who's a DEA agent and trying to get this drug lord. And that's really good, too. And again, they're both really good, I think, because of Cheadle and del Toro. There's the story of Catherine Zeta-Jones, who's probably never been better um as the wife of an unbeknownst to her drug lord. And it turns out she can really take over the reins. That's ah really good. And then there's the kind of the Michael Douglas storyline where he's like the drug czar and his his ah his daughter succumbs to drugs and he learns there's another side to it and all that. That part was a little bit like after school special PSA, I have to admit. Yeah. And Michael Douglas isn't the greatest actor. um So that part was a little, little stupid, a little unrealistic, frankly. um
Speaker: But the other three were really good. And I guess it's up to you if you like these types of movies that have intersecting stories with different characters and kind of different plot points. If you do, this is kind of a an archetypical version of that.
Speaker: If you don't, it's going to be a long haul. So I you know i would recommend it is when Soderbergh was at his peak. and He's always an interesting director. And this is, it's a weird year because he did kind of two straight movies. Although i think this one's based on like a BBC series or something. I'm not, I forget. Yes. Yeah. Right. Is that right? Yes. From 1989 as a BBC series. here So um yeah, it's, it's, it's long. um But I think we're seeing, ah and it's not like the Michael Douglas storyline is, is awful. It's just a little silly.
Speaker: But I think it's worth it to see the performances of del Toro, Chido, and Zeta Jones. They're all kind of outstanding. And his weirdest cameos here and there. Like, I forgot. Selma Hayek kind of shows out nowhere for like two minutes. Like, oh, okay. um So there's a lot of, as I recall, there's a lot of weird shit like that too. But Albert Finney.
Speaker: Oh yeah. Albert Finney. Yeah. He has like two scenes, but like, oh yeah, it's Albert Finney. Yeah. Oh yeah. um boy We'll talk about him in another movie. Another movie. I'd recommend it. You know, if you don't see it it's not a big deal. No one really talks about it, but he did get the best director for this. um And,
Speaker: We can debate whether that's deserving or not in context. But he did a masterful job, that's for sure. So I guess I'd recommend seeing it. But you know if you don't see it, that that's fine too. I guess a lukewarm endorsement.
Speaker: But okay Rob, what did what did you think? um i like so i like the different storylines i agree with you on which was the strongest it was a little bit like a psa after school special that what what they call the wakefield storyline with michael michael douglas and his daughter getting addicted to drugs i i think they needed to put a storyline like that in there yeah uh whether they pulled it off or not is different yeah sensationalize it because here he is trying he's like the nominated to be the drug czar in this country, and yet his own daughter is heavily addicted to some serious drugs. Well, so I think the show, that like oh the users aren't just like you know homeless crackheads. They're upstanding young citizens who have the honor society, but they they do a lot of drugs, too. That's who's fueling it, average people. Yeah. Right, and at the old average people can become homeless crack addicts. Yeah, exactly. It it feels like a very felt like a very political movie, but didn't really preach, um I would say. Yeah.
Speaker: There's a very large cast to manage here, which I always really appreciate and directors and admire that they could manage such a large cast with some pretty big egos, I would imagine Michael Douglas and Albert Finney and so on. I feel like that's Soderbergh's specialty though, the big kind of... Yeah, it is Yeah. It is. Yeah. And interestingly enough, Soderbergh operated the camera himself. It was a handheld camera. Yeah. He was cameraman and director. and one of the reasons he may have won who knows but he used different color grades did you notice that with the different stories yeah i did yeah that was right i don't know if i like that or hated it i don't know i yeah i don't know i i feel strongly about it i'm just i'm not sure like which way at times i did but then it's like when this when the mexican color cinematography came up was like oh not this again but but then again it you know it kind of hit us over the head with um
Speaker: with some things that I think that were obvious. I think was obvious when we were switching storylines, but pointed it out to us. But anyway, I thought I would mention that. It's supposed to be a three-hour movie, I guess, and it was cut down to two and a half. I guess with three so three stories, through three or four stories, it had to be a little longer than two hours. But um it was made into, it was from a miniseries and then was made from a British miniseries, like Dylan said, and it was made into an American 2004 miniseries on the USA Network, which I guess didn't get the accolades that the the movie did. Because it's USA Network, folks. just It's the USA Network, yeah. i I think we were supposed to be like on the edge of our seat like as a thriller during this movie. I kind of like sat back in my chair and relaxed a little bit watching this movie. Yeah.
Speaker: I kind of, I have to admit, I kind of dozed off at some points. So wait, i don't and you didn't break out cocaine for this movie? Like you broke out chocolate? let's Chocolate. You probably would have stayed up. that would I don't know what to say to that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, probably would have kept me up, but I didn't. Yeah, I guess they, you know, we have to live the role as critics as well. So that that's maybe something that, ah you know, i if I ever read this movie again. Yeah. um It was it was like, a you know, basically this movie was like an expose of the world's largest type of business or largest type of trade is really what it is. i mean, the the drug trade especially. you know, maybe not nowadays, but back back in the years it was exposing was was very large and lucrative and highly illegal. um So that's, you know, i did he pull it off?
Speaker: Probably. Maybe not every storyline, but the ones he was supposed to, he did. And It was it was thrilling yet doze-worthy at the same time, but I do recommend it. Glennis.
Speaker: Yeah. This movie is a movie that I confused with the other movie, Crash. um the other movie The movie Crash in my head all the time, even though I think I have very strong... ah like very different feelings about both of them but big ensemble so supposed to be about heavy stuff um but this does it way better so if you're deciding between crash and traffic definitely skip crash from 2005 go for traffic yes or between crash and like reading a book or taking a walk or just sleeping don't watch crash but Traffic, yeah, I don't know why I just always confuse them ahfuse them for a long time. But um they are different movies. I feel like this is Soderbergh. He's in Soderbergh mode for this one. And then it's weird because then he did julie ro ah sorry aon brockovits Aaron Brockovich. And I don't see a whole lot of him in that movie as much, or as much at least. But um this is his very trademark kind of um handheld camera and you know the various way he cuts it together i feels very Soderbergh-y and yeah I think notable for all the reasons you said like the star cast so definitely Catherine Zeta-Jones best work I think um surprisingly good and maybe just surprising because what have we seen her in up to that point that was you know um
Speaker: substantial. So ah really great in that. And then, um you know, my favorite, Luis Guzman and Don Cheadle. And how can we forget to mention Topher Grace in a star turn? Oh, yeah. um Right? I forgot about him. Yeah, I totally forgot about him. He's really funny in this, actually. Yeah, he was kind of funny in this. So um kind of smarmy and funny and and idiotic, but also slightly sincere. So yeah, I had a lot of good star turns, I think. And ah even those two and a half hours, I don't remember thinking, oh my God, when's it ending? So I thought it went pretty swift. We didn't, I didn't.
Speaker: doze off. um I didn't hate it, which I think is a big endorsement. It's just not the kind of movie I enjoy, like a heavy message movie, but it's still pretty good. And I think it's good because Soderbergh directed it. I think if anybody else had directed it, I would have hated this movie. So I think he kept, even though was like, you know, it's kind of political. And I think he kept a pretty light touch without like, I didn't feel the frying pan on the back of my head. So um i didn't feel like, like you said, Rob, I didn't feel like it was being preached to. yeah,
Speaker: I think it's a pretty solid movie. It's just, it's probably a topic I don't care that much about, wasn't that interested in But I think if you're, if you're doing like a Soderbergh retrospective, like you've got to include this one in it. Of course. Yeah, he's definitely peaking here. So um i think it's a pretty good movie. oh I did, I did think the whole, the, this ah storyline with Michael Douglas's daughter, i just thought it was so over sensationalized, right? Like, I really think the majority of people who have drug addictions are not, you know, ending up in an inner city neighborhood having sex with their drug dealer um on some skeezy mattress. Like, it was just so ah over the top. But, of course, it's a movie, so I guess you want it to be over the top to, you know, have that drama and that pathos. So um I never quite figured out, like, why she was why she became drug addicted. But I think maybe that's to...
Speaker: ah the movie's credit. It's not like, oh, she was healing her wounds. It's just, no, she was just a kid having fun being an asshole. Mixed in with the wrong crowd. Right. Just just kind of like, hey, you know, everybody does drugs when they're young or a lot of people do. um And oops, she just really liked it. So I think, ah but it was it was definitely a very dramatic storyline, which um it's not that realistic but yeah otherwise i just i enjoyed it as a movie i mean i guess are we looking for realism from our movies maybe not but um yeah i don't know i i like traffic it's okay i plan to never watch it again hopefully um but not because it's a bad movie just more like the subject the subject is it the whole thing is very grim with very little humor i gotta say that which i
Speaker: Maybe a little bit of humor from Don Cheadle and Luis Guzman, right? like oh yeah. They were kind of funny. They were funny. Yeah, that's true. They were great. I mean, everybody was really good in this. Got to say, there was no bad acting, which is you were just great. So, yeah. So can we see why this was nominated? Does it make sense? Or were we thinking it should not have been nominated at all?
Speaker: Oh, i like definitely. Definitely. Yeah. i can see why. Yeah. yeah It's so interesting that Soderbergh got two movies. I'm just kind of blown away by that actually. Two very different movies. One we haven't talked about yet, but that's coming up next, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think, uh, I think we can talk about that one next. So let's talk about Aaron Brockovich. Okay. Um, I'll go. Uh, I think, I think this is kind of a fun movie. It's, uh, learn as you go without being bored. Yeah. Julia Roberts, as usual, is just a huge movie star and does a great job. Do I think she's the best actress? No, but I think she's a fantastic movie star and her acting is pretty decent and it's pretty good in this. ah She's playing Brockovich, who is ah like a paralegal or a legal secretary or a not even like an assistant, I think. Um, she kind of has fallen on hard times and wangles her way into a a law firm with a job and, uh, then sort of gets involved in these cases where she's finding, Oh, people have gotten really sick from living in this area. What's going on. And it's just sort of a working the case, a whodunit or what happened. And I really enjoy that. Like a, almost like a procedural, um,
Speaker: Wait, Albert Finney's in this one too, right? Yeah. He is. He's our boss. last Oscar nomination. Albert Finney all year long. The late great Albert Finney. Always be Finney.
Speaker: Yeah, always be Finney-ing. Yeah, so I think everybody is really good in this. um it was an interesting story and Julia Roberts boobs never looked better. i guess ah they were like, they had their own star turn in this. And yeah, I don't know. I really enjoyed it, but nothing to complain about with this movie. Not super like, it's not like any of these movies haven't walked away and said, wow, amazing kind of thing. um So just again, it's another, this is a good movie year for like popcorn movies, I think. um
Speaker: Yeah, and this was one of them. and But I did want to say about this you the direction, like, I don't see a ton of Soderbergh-esque touches in this movie, right? Like... when I think the cinematography was a bit... was going to say, yeah. And some of the camera movement was a little bit... Yeah, which wasn't necessary in a movie like this. It was just sometimes too Soderbergh. Yeah, okay. Maybe I just looked past it. that When I think of Soderbergh movies, I think of two movies, Out of Sight and um Ocean's Eleven.
Speaker: Okay. As like trademark. And it's like, oh unless they're exactly like that. I'm like, was this a Soderbergh movie? But yeah, it was. And I think, again, it is probably better for the fact that he directed it. So Rob, what do you think about Aaron Brockovich?
Speaker: Yeah, no, I think he as a director um maxed out Julia Roberts during this movie. I don't think she has ever been better or could ever be better as an actress. I think this was her peak and she won Best Actress, right? um So maybe maybe deservingly so, yeah. yeah um I mean, she said a lot in this movie with one little eyebrow raise or head bob or, you know, she was Acting without talking at times, which I appreciated. I think i think she did that really well. I think our efforts were kind of, don't know, wasted is the right term, but like not, to she wasn't directed properly, I think, in the movies that she was in before this.
Speaker: maybe since they've learned how to direct her. But i think i think she was I think they made a great team in this movie, Soderbergh and Julia Roberts. So um you could kind of tell, I agree with everything you said, i you could kind of tell the emotional toll like her family and work like took on her throughout the movie. And I think that was something that was maybe one of the reasons that she was acclaimed so much as the lead actress in this movie. She was trying to balance her work and family life, and you really felt like you were there with her along for the ride um instead of just viewing from afar, which which I thought was to her testament as an actress. But, you know, and Albert Finney was, I thought he was great. He was, you know, crankity crank crank as well as a little bit vulnerable at parts too.
Speaker: I don know I enjoyed the movies that he's in, but, uh, and he, he was also in traffic. So another Soderbergh movie. So they must be a good friends or something. Um, use it There's a good kind of like sense of humor, underlying sense of humor, and sometimes over the top sense of humor to discuss serious topics in this movie, which I thought was, is always tough to to pull off. And I think they pulled it off.
Speaker: um There've been other movies like this that examine similar topics like a civil action about the drinking water and Norma Ray and Silkwood and things like that. But this one is probably the most charming movie of that bunch, I would say. That's, you know, entertaining. Yeah, it doesn't feel too grim.
Speaker: Correct. Yeah, exactly. Rob, I have a question for you. Do you, because you've mentioned you didn't like the cinematography, parts of the cinematography in Traffic and parts of it in this one. And I'm wondering if, are you a Soderbergh fan or kind of not so much? Yeah.
Speaker: I don't know if I really am or or not. He's just, i think i i think he puts his flavor into movies a little too much, which I don't, like. I don't like when I have to notice the cinematography being negative. When it's too obvious. When it's theater and it complements the movie, that's great.
Speaker: I think adding Soderbergh-esque cinematography in this movie didn't do it justice and wasn't really necessary in a movie of this great or this type um traffic. It was necessary, but it was still a little for me over the top in that movie. And It was a lot less so in this movie, but yet still over the top. So I guess that's my take on it.
Speaker: Interesting. Okay. yeah Yeah. Yeah. Even though it's Soderbergh, it's, and it's kind of a modern topic is kind of an old fashioned movie. It might be not the tone, but the setup of like an eighties movie.
Speaker: um Plucky gal. Just try and make her way. She wins over everybody with her charm and her, her hidden intelligence. and She's doing the right thing against the bad guys. you know, Rob, you'd mentioned like Silkwood and yeah Norma Rae. It reminded me of those movies kind of, um, where the the plot wasn't terribly complex and you know, e everyone's rooting against the electric company. It's not like, Oh no, they have their side. Like, Oh no, everyone's like, fuck them.
Speaker: Um, so, so weirdly for Soderbergh is, it was very informed. It was very old fashioned, but, um,
Speaker: Yeah, Julie Roberts has never been better and she's never been more of a movie star. And ah that stuff counts for a lot. You know, cinephiles will talk about old stars like Betty Davis and Katharine Hepburn.
Speaker: Compared to today, they wouldn't be considered great actresses, even against, you know, I don't know who, Jesse Buckley or whatever. But they're great movie stars. And there's there's something to that that's very appealing. And honestly, that's half the reason I go to movies. Like, oh, honestly, a movie star be a movie star.
Speaker: And Julia Roberts has never been more winning or charming or beautiful or anything in than in this movie. So was like the perfect role for the perfect person at the perfect time. Anybody else, it does not work. And say it's, don't say it's Catherine Zeta-Jones, it doesn't work. Or um Julie Pinoche, it just doesn't work.
Speaker: Some of Julia Roberts, she can be glamorous and trashy at the same time. And that's a real hard thing to pull off. So I agree with you, Rob. Soderbergh just really knew how to use her. Yeah. Now I think, I think people liked her in pretty woman, but that was, she was just doing her thing. I don't think Gary Marshall, I think he just set the cameras up. So he didn't really do it. And her thing was pretty new at that point too. Yeah. She's just being herself. Yeah.
Speaker: But in this, she's herself because she's a movie star, but it's about as much of a stretch as she's going to do, which, again, is not an insult. She's really great. So if you don't like Julia Roberts, you are not going to like this movie. because Yeah, it's all her. It's all her. Albert Finney's great, but obviously he's not the main person. But if you do like Julia Roberts, then you're going to adore this movie. And I do think she deserved the best actress because...
Speaker: in In a year, if it's absent of some incredible performance, I do tend to say, oh, the movie star stretch, give it to the movie star. Because because honestly, that's what we're here for is like you know movie stars. So I thought it was quite enjoyable me.
Speaker: yeah Yeah, I hadn't had had not watched it, I think, since so like when I first saw the theater 26 years ago. So I was curious about how I was going to receive it again. it was yeah it was it was a totally kind of fun movie for a serious topic, kind of a fun movie. um You know, the hero we need now kind of thing. More than ever.
Speaker: Yeah, I gotta say I'm not the biggest Julia Roberts fan, but i actually really like her in this. So I can take her not to. Yeah, i can take her leave Julia Roberts, but I can 100% see why she is, you know, a thousand watt star.
Speaker: Moving on to a Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon by Ang lee Rob, are you a fan of this movie? I am. I enjoyed this movie. One of the things I admire most about it is that it had a $17 million dollars budget and was nominated for 10 Oscars. you know that's That's pretty good. um yeah So it plays like a yeah like a comic book to me. you know It definitely moved Ang Lee up in the director's world at a big time after after this. I think he did a fantastic job.
Speaker: I think he could have won Best Director instead of Soderbergh for Traffic and people wouldn't have really complained. Yeah. you know Well, considering he's won two since then, right?
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, exactly. um I was reading, and this movie is mostly about this this the sword. The sword is like the main character, so to speak, in this movie, and the the the fight for the sword and the stealing of this famous sword. That's the plot MacGuffin, right? like That's what gets everything going, is that there's a sword and somebody steals it, and then, you know, wackiness ensues. Wackiness ensues wackiness and susan there ah the fight scenes are something to behold. is that I had never seen anything like it beforehand. Yeah. There's been a lot of imitators of this movie since. And I think this movie was very influential, I guess, especially in China. There were a lot of knockoffs to this this movie, so I read, in China. And they all insist that you know it's not coaching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and wasn't influenced by it, which is just really garbage because I think it was a very influential movie. um I was reading a little bit about some of like the...
Speaker: the side complaints of this movie and Chinese people can't stand the accents in this movie because they're all speaking Mandarin. And there's not one main actor in this movie who spoke Mandarin as a first language. They spoke, uh, like other Chinese languages, Cantonese, Sichuan, and then another one Cantonese. Um,
Speaker: So, and, and yeah, so it drives people crazy who speak Chinese to, to watch this movie. And I guess it takes away from it quite a bit, but we wouldn't know any better because we're reading the, you know, the subtitles. Right.
Speaker: Yeah. There were, I mean, there were a other Chinese films to kind of follow this one, like, um, hero and house of flying daggers and things like that. And I think there was, wasn't there a sequel to this movie?
Speaker: Um, I have a vague recollection of that. Yeah. like None of the stars were in it. Correct. Right, right, right. Which is say typical of a sequel knockoff. Yeah, exactly. But it was it was kind of like a it pulled out like a trifecta. It pulled off three different things. A foreign film with subtitles, a box office success, and a critical success. So it it was it it was three for three in that area. um I enjoyed it. I liked it. I i recommend it. i
Speaker: you Probably, if you've seen anything like it, it's been since then. So it was very revolutionary for the time, this type of movie. I, you know, I highly recommend seeing it and watching it and seeing if you think that it should be, um you know, a best picture winner, email us, of course. but Where would they email us? Yeah. Oh, the Oscar, the Oscars podcast at gmail.com. Of course, but I'd stick that in in the middle somewhere. we yeah mentioned it at the beginning and then we love emails. And we'll read we'll read them we'll read them on ah on the podcast, of course, if you'd like to be read. Yeah. So what do you guys think?
Speaker: um so So the first time i saw it, I really liked it. And like you said, Rob, American audiences had never seen anything like those fight scenes and all the mysticism, ah which are obviously purposely over the top.
Speaker: It's not realistic whatsoever. I'd forgotten. Well, so I remember the heart of it was the love story between Xiaoyuan Fat and Michelle Yeoh. I'd forgotten about the younger woman's a love story, to to be honest. But at heart, it's really like a love story, you know, the love that cannot be. yeah So seeing it the first time in 2000,
Speaker: Especially in the cinema, it was really amazing. Now, I've seen a lot more movies now. What it's actually doing is an homage old 70s movies ah from China. ah The most notable example, if anyone out there is interested, is A Touch of Zen by King Hu.
Speaker: It's an homage to that. So it's I think it's a 73 film or 71 touches in, but they're doing the exact same things. They're kind of floating in the air. They're walking on the bamboo. So so now that I know that, it's like, oh, this is actually a clever homage. He's not inventing anything new, which is Ang Lee. It's not knock against him. He's like Ron Howard. He's a good craftsman, um but he's not going to you know reinvent movies or anything like that. um So knowing that, it it in one way it detracts and in one way it enhances. So it detracts where like, oh, this isn't exactly original. I just didn't grow up watching you know Hong Kong cinema of this this style. like There's a name for like Zunia or something. This type of martial arts.
Speaker: So in some way it detracts like, oh, the thing that seemed most arresting was actually he's just... you know doing something that had already been done before. But in one way that enhances it because again, like you said, Rob, I had never seen anything like that at the local theater.
Speaker: And I think the actors are really good. Michelle Yeoh eventually won an Oscar, but she was always good. And Chow Yun-Fat, for an action star, I have to preface it, is a good actor. Again, he's not a good actor you know, compared to whoever, Bradley Cooper, don't know, whoever, but, but for an action star, he's pretty good. So it really comes down to, it's a love story.
Speaker: And if you like that, um you will really enjoy this movie, regardless of the effects. If you don't like that, the effects after the novelty don't hold up the same way. So you are with this story. So I still enjoyed it. I just was not as, i didn't admire it as much or was as thrilled as much Not just because I've seen its antecedents, but once you get over that part, it it really comes down to the story, which I liked well enough. I liked the two older leads story. I didn't like the young girl story, but even the young girl is interesting where she's like, uh, she's, she's a thief that they don't know who it is, but they kind of guess who it is and all this stuff. So, uh, it, it depends on on your speed for kind of, you know, Zen Buddhist mysticism and these outlandishly wonderfully unrealistic fight scenes. Um,
Speaker: um but also the acting, which is stylized. I mean, you might, Glennis may speak to this. It's not, it's not very emotive, but in that style of movie, it's not very emotive. And for the culture there, it's not an emotive culture. um So I would highly recommend it. I think everyone has to see it and then you can decide what you think about it. So yeah in fact, Glennis, what did you think about it? um I remember exactly how I felt about this when I first watched it. And it was just complete and utter awe and delight. And i just thought this was the best movie of the year. Absolutely loved it. I had never, yeah, I didn't know anything about the style of martial arts that was going on. didn't know that was something that had been done before. Although I remember thinking as I was watching it, like there is a a
Speaker: a sense of nostalgia about this somehow that maybe this is the style of something I haven't seen but without knowing that um it it felt wildly inventive again it had been invented before um and done before I guess which I've not seen those movies so Uh, but I just thought the fight scenes were great. i love a good creative fight scene. um the love story is fine. uh, I think it was just, again, going back to just the visual awe of the fight scenes that really, um,
Speaker: That got me ah this many years later. i would say that my feelings are a little bit different, which is I still think it's a great movie and everybody should see this at least once. But boy, does it really benefit from being seen on the big screen? watched it on our reasonably big TV and it was like, oh, this is really dark. Um, just the lighting was fairly dark and it was hard to see and tell what was going on sometimes. And I just remember, I didn't have that same sense of awe that I had the first time.
Speaker: um of course I knew what was coming, but I had really forgotten most of the story. I forgot about the secondary love story, but the young woman and the man. And that's sort of why she was stealing, stealing sword and doing what she was doing and throwing in with the villain, um and learning how to become a fighter um And I knew that there was ah the love story between Michelle Yeoh and Chow Yun-fat's characters. um Didn't really remember how it ended.
Speaker: And then like, oh yeah, that's how it ends. um Kind of a tragic ending. Yeah. it It is interesting that it ultimately is this homage movie ah that was just, I think, by virtue the fact that it was so novel and many of us had never seen movies like that. If you're not a cinephile, you might never have seen a movie like that. It was like, wow. So I think the novelty factor really got me. um But I do think it, i this is what I remember at the time, like that I really felt it should have won the best picture.
Speaker: that that You may still feel that way. We don't know yet. I might still feel that way. So without revealing my hand. Okay. And then finally, Gladiator, the winner of that year. Let me tell you that over the years, I have had a change of heart on Gladiator.
Speaker: And every time I watch it, I like it more. And I realize this movie has a lot of value. Um, and it is great and it's highly rewatchable and Russell Crowe is such a movie star and also a good actor. It's a spectacle. It's beautiful to look at. It's, you know, well acted for a period, like a, you know, sword and sandals fiction, sword and sandals, not historical fiction, but it's like, you know, like, yes, exactly. Kind of, um,
Speaker: ancient ancient Rome kind of thing. um And it's beautiful to look at. So... yeah I really actually ended up liking this so much more than I thought this. We just watched it again. It was like, Oh, this is still really good. Why did I not like it 26 years ago? why did I not think it was great 26 years ago? And I think that can only be answered by the fact that, you know, you're young, you're sometimes stupid and you're looking for, we can all they go hand in hand up can ill admit that. And I probably thought of myself as a little bit of an art nerd. Yeah. You know, and and over the years I've embraced my more populous movie leanings. And I would say that this is just a great movie, highly rewatchable.
Speaker: Could but probably watch it every year or two and just be pleased by it. Rob, what do you think about Gladiator? Fan? Okay. um Yes. it's very po It's very polarizing for me, this movie. Oh, really?
Speaker: I think overall i am I am a fan and I would recommend it. It's a movie that was released in the spring of 2000 and was remembered throughout the year and at Oscar time for for good reason, I guess, directed by Ridley Scott. um If I had a complaint about it, I would know start on the negative side. I would say the script seems kind of weak and ordinary for an epic. You know what i mean? Like they're trying to make and and an epic and I just think the script was a little weak. um
Speaker: Rumor has it that Russell Crowe hated the last rewrite so much. He's like kind of his the pompous side of him said, but I'll act right through it and make it good anyway. The strengths are Crow himself.
Speaker: No Albert Finney in this movie, unfortunately. Oliver Reed kind of took over that part. Yeah. Finney was too busy with his Soderbergh movies. Yeah.
Speaker: the um listen yeah if Crow was was the most was the most important, it was the best part of this movie, his acting. i think Do you think you guys think he was a little small maybe for the for the role? Small in stature? No. looks I think he acted big. Clear out a bar. Yeah. he looks I also think maybe part of the point is that he is not huge, but that he's a great act warrior anyway. like I think that's the idea. i I think there's something lost in getting guys that are just huge. I thought Paul Meskel was way too beefed up. like I think the point of it is that he's he's a great warrior, not because he's huge and strong, but because he's many other things and shrewd and... He has heart and he's smart and he's courageous. His troops love him or, you know, yeah, all of that. And I think that being too, like, I think he looked appropriately muscled.
Speaker: Yeah. I think that, uh, I think it works actually that he's not very big, but you didn't like that is what I'm hearing. No, no, I think you, you kind of, it was kind of a, more of a question to throw out there to try to convince me. And I think you did convince me. I like, I like the, the bar room analogy and the fact that he acts bigger than he is in stature. So.
Speaker: When they were casting LA Confidential, ah the director was like, all these guys are jacked up and they don't look like people from the 50s. People weren't jacked up in the 50s. I need a guy who looks like he could go and into a room and just and just clear it. that was Russell Crowe, who in his real life has shown that by like tearing up hotel rooms and stuff. But I think i think the idea is like, no, Russell Crowe looks like someone that could that could handle himself and take care of business. And I remember reading this about Creed when Michael B. Jordan was um was was training training he got so muscled the boxing advisor said you gotta you would get your the hell beat out you in a boxing ring you have too much muscle you would throw a punch you would be tired and the other guy would fucking knock you out you are weight you're not a boxer you look like a weight lifter so i think it's important people that have a lot of muscles like arnold schwarzenegger that's for show i think russell crowe looked perfect because again he looked like someone like that guy does not take a real bruiser
Speaker: Yeah, a bruiser, exactly. like he's He's the one coming out of the bar fight with a couple of broken teeth, but he's going to be smiling at the end of it. So I i thought Russell Crowe actually perfectly cast. You know, talking about like the artistic merit of this movie, I think it it had artistic merit with the exception of the script. um Going back to the script, which I just can't seem to drop this topic. of But um you know the character the characters, it brings him across as a little bit dull, I think. You mean the Russell Crowe character?
Speaker: Yeah, and I mean, he's really the only one that you know there has stuff to say. But you know the others, um it employs kind of depression depression um or of their role as a substitute for personality.
Speaker: um So i don't know. they're morose enough, maybe we won't notice how dull they are is what Ebert said. So don't know. And it also portrays Romans as every single Roman is a bloodthirsty savage. You know what i mean? So which I thought was a little bit odd.
Speaker: But, um you know, it's it's it's been called magnificent. It's been called compelling and richly enjoyable. I do think it's an enjoyable movie. i think I don't think you're in this movie for deep dialogue. I think you're in this movie for action scenes and class battles and pompousness and pageantry. and Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? You know, I think that's what you're in it for. And I think it pulls it off if that's what you're in it for. and It does a good job at what it's supposed to do. And, um you know, there are other things that you may expect, but that's your fault for expecting things from this movie that aren't... I'm supposed to be there. So we're my fault. But Hans Zimmer's score, I think I want to shout out to that was great. I think he was he was actually sued and settled out of court for this score. who? By who? ah
Speaker: By it wasn't any anyone that you would know. It was. okay It wasn't like this sounds like Spartacus or something. No. But I love the score. I thought it was great. I i think actually the the five of them this this year had pretty good scores, especially Chocolat. I really like that one. yeah But anyway, back on topic, i I say see Gladiator. I'm not upset that it won Best Picture. We'll talk about our our choices later on, but I'm curious to hear what Dylan has to say.
Speaker: So, yeah, weirdly, I've seen this like three or four times, not going out of my way. Sometimes it's on. Yeah, it's on like, oh, okay, cool. um so So funnily enough, it's it's a real old-fashioned, as I said, sword and sandal, which was the term um they used for these types of movies back in the day. So it has a long pedigree that went out of fashion the 70s. It's very old fashioned film. Like Rob says, the the the script is not subtle.
Speaker: and If you're looking for that, you're definitely not going to find it. Well, I wonder if that's one of the things I didn't like about it. Well, might be, but the whole idea is just just action, movement, moving towards the goal of vengeance. That's what the whole movie is.
Speaker: And for that, I really appreciate it. It's just, um you know, I think it is trying to be a little artsy and and and epic, which it is, but it's really just forward movement. This guy wants revenge, and that's the end of it. And it's going to take two hours to get there, and that you can decide whether that's worth or not.
Speaker: But... Russell Crowe, sort of like Aaron Brockovich, I can't think of anybody at that time that could pull this off. Not just the the looks, where again, he looks like he could take care of business.
Speaker: For a movie star, he's a very good actor. And, you know, he this is in the middle of a run of L.A. Confidential, The Insider, This, Then, A Beautiful Mind. Those are four very different roles. And he plays them differently. And to your point, Rob, ah he's sort of like a, he's an actor like a Nick Nolte or Philip Seymour Hoffman, who are actually these kind of big, burly, rangy guys, but they can play small, which is really a testament to their their acting ability. You know, Nick Nolte, who, I don't think he's Marlon Brando, but he's very underrated.
Speaker: when he when he wants to play big, like in 48 hours or something like that, he seems like this larger-in-life presence. But he wants to play small and weak, like in, say, Prince of Tides. He can do that. Same with Philip Seymour Hoffman, who in Capote seemed to have shrunk, even though he's the same size. I think Russell Crowe has that ability to be in the insider, and he seems like this nebbishy little office worker.
Speaker: And then LA Confidential, he's the enforcer for the LAPD, and he he can play both convincingly. we talked about beautiful mind. He he's playing this, you know, physicist who's like, yeah and then in gladiator, he's like, you know I will have my vengeance. I think he's a very underrated actor. And I, I cannot think of anyone around that time that could have pulled this off where you're sympathetic with him.
Speaker: Um, but you know, he's, he's going to be very violent. Um, it's really hard to pull off. And I, I think Joaquin Phoenix, this was his coming out where I kind of knew who he was, but it's like, yeah, he's River Phoenix. We didn't even mention him. Yeah. He's River Phoenix's brother. Like who cares? And then this kid actor essentially.
Speaker: Yeah. And he was amazing in this. yeah He made me feel, Joaquin Phoenix is a fucked up little monster, but I felt bad for him. He just wants, he just wants daddy's love and he's jealous of Russell Crowe. It's like, oh man, like you're a fully human person just because you're a terrible person. I can see behind it where it's like,
Speaker: He's just very jealous of Russell Crowe. And he actually, there's some point in the movie, he still wants to be Russell Crowe's friend, kind of. He kind of offers him like, hey, we can still be brothers and stuff. You know what Russell Crowe tells him to fuck himself, obviously. But amazing acting job, his first Oscar nomination. And I think from Ridley Scott, who's always been a masterful director in terms of crafting,
Speaker: He has always been very subversive. This is a guy did Alien, Blade Runner and Thelma Louise. Those are three very interesting movies. And I think they're all masterpieces, but they all have something to say. And they're very odd. And I remember seeing them at the time. they're like these are these are different.
Speaker: For him to kind of turn around pull this off, now unfortunately I think that's all he's been doing ever since, but it's like I was very impressed that this kind of guy who has an independent outsider's view of things, like he hates Hollywood, he's very vocal about it, that he could come up with this old-fashioned Hollywood epic I thought was amazing. I mean, i well we well, I think he should have want Best Director. I don't think Ang Lee should have any Oscars, and certainly not for this year. and I don't think Soderbergh should have got it. I think Ridley Scott pulled off something um that they would not have done.
Speaker: i i don't think it's the greatest movie ever made, but I was highly entertained when I first saw And every time I see it, i get I see a little more shading and nuances. And I kind of disagree. I don't think they're all bloodthirsty. Like Oliver Reed was just, I'm just trying to make money, but he's also kind of sympathetic towards Russell Crowe. Russell Crowe is a Roman.
Speaker: You know, you're sympathetic. Connie Nielsen is Roman. I don't think they're all bloodthirsty. Or was it Derek Jacoby? He's like, we got to get rid of this this emperor and and do things for the people. So I kind of disagree there. I don't think they're all portrayed blood word. I think for this type of movie, there were nuances with the performances. Like said, even the villain had um you know had my sympathies at times. So I think for this type of movie, it's it's probably perfect. If you don't like this type of movie, then don't go see it. I don't blame you. There are certain movies I don't like and I don't go see them. But I think for what it what it wants to do, it succeeds spectacularly.
Speaker: and it's And as a pop culture thing, it still has a, are you not entertained? um So i think i think it it hits all the I think it hits all the notes. It's a good popcorn movie, has some cultural legacy. It has peak Russell Crowe. It has what is the beginning of a wonderful career with Joaquin Phoenix. And Ridley Scott's probably perfect balance between kind of odd and and all off-putting and populist, which The first half of his career, he was odd. In the second half, he's been popular. So this is him kind of balancing both, I think, fairly expertly.
Speaker: So that that's my opinion. Do you agree with Gladiator as the winner of this year? they're all worth They're all worth seeing, and they're all really good movies. But I think Gladiator stands head and shoulders above the rest, especially when we've all talked about a Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. We're like, once you get past the novelty or the shock of the direction, you're left with the story, which I quite liked, but doesn't have the same impact um without being kind of surprised by all the the special effects where now when I saw Gladiator, I didn't really say, oh my God. um
Speaker: But every time I've seen it I'm a little more impressed with it, which is certainly something to say in his favor. So I thought they got it right at the time. And I still think they got it right. And I think if you can only see one movie from all of these, and you don't have to, if you can only see one movie, it would be Gladiator.
Speaker: Glenis? um Yeah, so I think it came down to originally for me probably between Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Gladiator. It's interesting. We sort of talked about both having like a script not a script. but Well, you said the script for um Rob, you said the script for Gladiator felt a little clunky for you. Yes. Yes.
Speaker: And I would say like, well, that i I mean, i I think that makes sense for it being a, you know, um Over the top epic. Yeah, over the It's kind of weak and ordinary for And the thing that bugged me about Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was that the acting was, it I think it was purposely stylized, but I didn't really care for the fact that it was just so um so stylized. And so, you know, so so both those things. But I think they were also appropriate to both movies. I actually do think Gladiator was the right pick. Whoa. Really?
Speaker: Russell Crowe is amazing and Joaquin Phoenix is amazing and ah the battle scenes you don't get too tired of watching and there's some you know movie battle fatigue battle scene fatigue there's none of that. um I don't know. I think it's just a really, it is a solid movie. The script does not bother me. I feel like it's kind of appropriate to, you know, like it' it's not realistic, right? It's it's silly. It's a silly movie. But yeah, I think, yeah, I think they made the right choice and I made the wrong one 26 years So we know why Gladiator went up in your mind, but why did Crouching ta Tiger Roy did it? It all go down in your mind. Yeah, think Dylan had said, like the novelty is a big aspect of watching this movie. When you see it the first time, you're like, whoa, they're flying through bamboo on their tippy toes. Amazing. And then once you know that's coming, it's like, oh, yeah, the the flying scenes are coming. And that's fun. But I think that the and the there's a little bit of a lack of heart, just maybe in terms of the the the very stiff delivery of lines, which is intentional, I believe, because it's supposed to seem like an old fashioned 70s martial arts movie, I think. But I think that that is, you know, at the end when, listen, I'm going to give the ending away guys. So if you haven't seen it, just maybe fast forward about one minute. When Chow Yun fat dies um at the end, I don't really feel anything. So I i think it fails to hit me in that part, that emotional part. But when Russell Crowe dies at the end, I'm like, Oh, he won, but also he lost, you know, you know,
Speaker: there's a real emotional moment at the end. i'm not going to cry or anything. but So I think just ah it hits me it hit me a little bit differently that it it it just didn't have the emotional impact that I was hoping for. So I guess it's not that Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is not a good movie. It's just um I really think novelty and seeing it on a big screen are two huge factors for me that make this a big winner. If you don't have those things, it diminishes ah a little bit.
Speaker: Rob. yeah Okay. So, you know, I consider everything equally. I looked at Chuck a lot and I thought it was a little bit too too light and airy for and not deep enough and not epic enough for a Best Picture winner. um Traffic had its flaws, was considered heavily by me, but it was too Soderbergh, too the cinematography and the colors drove me crazy and the the single handheld camera drove me crazy and it was and i fell asleep.
Speaker: So i had I omitted that one. Erin Brockovich was a Julia Roberts vehicle. um it was She was fantastic. She should have won Best Actress, as Raval said several times. Not Best Picture caliber kind of movie, though. So I had it narrowed down to, like you, Glenn, it's Caution Tiger, Hidden Dragon, and Gladiator. And um I just think in Crouching Tiger, the battle scenes um were it in that movie, and the plot was enjoyable but thin. So I went with a deeply flawed movie in Gladiator. So that's what I'm going with. We all agree. Yeah, we all agree. i just think, you know, some of the even some of the the strengths were were weak in this movie. like I feel like I keep ripping it apart, but like some of like the big guys that were coming after Russell Crowe, they were just expecting to get to to lose to him. they were just They would kind of stand there and get like like slit with his sword across their chest or their leg or whatever was exposed at the time. And it was just like he could take on a whole army by himself left you know in a barroom brawl. And that's what it appeared like because they all seemed like he's the best and we're going to lose to him. Right. And I'm not going to mention the script again. I will spare everybody with that. I've mentioned it a thousand times. But that's it. I'm going with Gladiator. It has its flaws, but it's an epic. It's it's the best picture of the year, and I'm glad it won.
Speaker: Yeah. Wow. Interesting. that Yeah. we all I think we this is a rare episode where we all kind of liked the movies very similarly. Yeah. And then we arrived at the same conclusion. So really. no big disagreements. So, okay. Well, we have um confirmed that the Academy once once in a blue moon gets it right and they got it right this year. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Well, ah Dylan, why don't you tell us what our next episode ah year is going to be and what movies those are? Well, gee whiz, next episode is going to be 1986. The winner of that year was Platoon, and the other nominees were Children of a Lesser God, Hannah and Her Sisters, The Mission, and Room with a View.
Speaker: All right. Well, thanks again for ah talking about movies. Thanks, everyone. All right.
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