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Skinny Dipping Destroys Anarchy
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In the late 1800s, anarchism was gaining momentum across Washington State, inspiring groups of idealists to create communities built around shared land, labor, and radical ideas. One such colony took root near Anderson Island and managed to survive for nearly 20 years, but eventually, the community began to unravel. What brought down this utopian experiment? Internal conflict, changing ideals, and, apparently… skinny dipping.
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Introduction to 'Beneath the Evergreens'
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Welcome to Beneath the Evergreens, where murder, mysteries, and mayhem lurk in the shadows of the Pacific Northwest. I'm Jess. And I'm Anna. From haunted forests and unsolved disappearances, to true crime cases buried deep in the moss and the mist, we're digging into the dark secrets hiding under the evergreens.
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Each episode will explore real cases, eerie encounters, and the legends that keep the Pacific Northwest up at night.
Personal Catch-up: Life and Shopping
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So grab your flashlight, lock your doors, and join us Beneath the Evergreens.
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Hello, everyone. Welcome back. Welcome back.
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one welcome back Welcome back. As in, well, welcome back, I guess. Yeah. we We recorded a lot of those episodes in advance, but we actually haven't seen each other in like two weeks. I know.
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We were going through some withdrawal. I was going through withdrawals at least. fiending
Giant Squishmallow Story
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for some Anna. In a very non-sexual way. and a very non in a very non-sexual way
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Oh, yes. No, I have missed talking with you. I've what I've missed most of all are these stories because they do give me kind of like the ending to the week that and like the great start to the weekend because we record on Fridays. And it's been fun. But I've been traveling the world in this ridiculous heat.
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But it's been ah it's been fun. um I did realize that I may be physically not physically fiscally irresponsible financially responsible. I feel I could have told you that.
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I feel like you could have. But i was at the mall today with um just, you know, doing here, there, and back to school shopping. I came across a store.
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And the store sells squishmallows. I love squishmallows. um I have never really liked them. But the store specialized in squishmallows. And they had a pigeon that was literally the size I'm trying to figure out like if you have like a two person couch, it would have taken up the majority of the two person couch. What?
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And I literally, it was like $300. literally had it in my hand. I was walking around the store like this. I couldn't even like, it was like holding it like this.
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Walking around the store. Thank God my child was there because she said, I don't think we actually need that. I said, but I think we do. It's I've already named it. This is Steve the pigeon and he's going to be my best friend.
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oh my God. And then I realized my 13 year old daughter is saying, Hey, maybe not. And I said, you're right. I'll put it back. But they also had a UFO one there. That was also just as big.
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I may have to go back and get it. I think I have to. Please do it. That'd be so cool. That's it.
Podcast Road Trip Plans
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Yeah. Okay. um You should have been there with me because then I would have bought Steve and I probably would have also bought in the UFO spaceship because feel like it's a necessity.
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I, so I really, I, I only have one squish mellow and it's, ah it's a blueberry. And you so funny story with that. I was at like, I was just grocery shopping with my husband and I saw it and I was like, Oh my God, I really want this. And he's like, Oh, I'll buy it for you. And I was like, Oh, that's really sweet. love Um, guess who whipped out our shared credit card when we were paying for it? i said Oh, so I'm buying this for myself. myself So we're 50 50 custody on this is what you're telling me right now. Okay. Okay.
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No, but I love, I would love like a giant like strawberry squishmallow. Like I love fruit with faces. Okay. We might have to go to Westfield then because they have like a, like a hot dog, like a dachshund, but like in a hot dog costume. yeah and But they're like massive. They have like a Mothman one They have, they have so many, so many.
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Oh my gosh. Yes. Yes. it is We need to go. And I was trying to rationalize in my head. Okay. If I, if I purchased Steve, the pigeon, is there a way I could write it off?
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Is there something I could do to make this worthwhile? Speaking of places that we need to go.
History of Anarchist Colonies
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Yes. we are heading on a beneath the evergreens road trip. So that we are, that we are.
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Don't want to give too much away just yet, but we are going to be hitting a lot of locations that our episodes touch on. Um, And I am super, super excited. Yes, I'm really excited. I think we're our plan is to record while on the road and maybe talk about some spooky feelings if we get spooky feelings or like, i don't know. It's going fun, though. I cannot wait.
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so poor Poor Anna's going be stuck in a car with me for like two days. It's going to be excellent. Three days? Give your thoughts and prayers, everyone. We'll see if I survive. If not, the ghost of Anna will not miss you. By the end of the trip, you're going to like, why did I miss her when she was on vacation? That makes no sense. Actually, we shouldn shouldn't talk for two more weeks. I need and you a little bit of a break. I need to actually detox. Goodbye.
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I got some really kick-ass grandma clothes, though. I'm excited wear. Oh my gosh. Grandma is my new ecthetic aesthetic. i can I love it so much. If someone asks if you're my mother on the trip, I am 100% saying yes.
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Okay. I'll lean in. I will embarrass you. so Yeah, what Anna was nice. and Little she used to shit her britches.
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oh it'll be beautiful we'll see we'll see i'm stoked i'm also stoked for the story you're about to tell me okay let's jump right into it because i have a super fun story today um once again something i had no idea happened in washington state boom did you know that the puget sound area just kidding sorry i didn't even know what you're saying In the late eighteen hundreds the Puget Sound area was a hotbed for and like anarchy colonies.
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Like all over the place. I feel like I should be surprised, but for some reason, wait, Pacific Northwest, like, are we talking like West side or East side of Washington? West side, like Puget Sound. Okay. That is, that is surprising to me. Actually, there was a lot. And like for how early in the state at like the state's history, like I'm talking like the 18, like, wow.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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yeah That's crazy. yeah I'm going to tell you today about one specific anarchical colony. Oh, I love cult. Okay. I'm so excited. I'm not calling it a cult. It's not. It's like close. It's right on the border. They call themselves a colony. So going to call them a colony, but make your own judgment.
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but I'm so excited. Okay. So these colonies, the people that lived in them, joined them, like wholeheartedly believed in anarchism and like general like leftist ideals, like socialist, communist, like kind of variations of all of that. And they basically just like pooled their money together and bought parcels of land and like lived there, raised their kids there.
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So in the later part of the eighteen hundreds the Glenis colony ah started. So that this Glenis colony was outside of like present day Eatonville, like yeah kind of in that like Grand Eatonville, South Tacoma. That tracks actually. Right. Right.
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The Glenis colony was founded because a guy donated some of his land to a man that was like really into like anarchism, leftist ideals. um And they built up this colony. However, like most colonies do, um it fractioned off and kind of they just kind of fell apart. So a couple of families, the Verities, the Allens and the Odells decided to create a new colony, kind of an offshoot of the Glenis colony, which they named Home.
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So you I immediately hate this. This is not a good idea. So, the like, literally the colony is called Home. And there still is today, like, Home Washington. um that's where Oh, that's where that comes from?
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have you Have you been there? Have you heard of it? I've heard of it. Why? i don't fucking know. Well, like, it looks really beautiful. It's kind of, like, there's really not much around it, but it's like kind of by, like, Anderson Island, McNeil Island, um kind of in the South Sound. that's why i I think that's why I know it. Because I think we used to go to Anderson Island a lot.
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Oh, okay. Yeah, it's like right right next to it. So in this time, um we're talking like 1894, 96, kind of that time frame, the home colony was established. And this colony, since it is pretty remote, like it's remote now and it was really remote back then, um they had to take like a steamer, like a 70-foot steamer that was called Typhoon.
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And that
Impact of McKinley's Assassination
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was how they got to and from the the colony. I'm just like imagining like, all right, kids, let's get on Typhoon, go home. okay
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I don't know why he needed to make them Southern um or whatever, but hey. So this seemed really... They didn't really leave the colony all that much, frankly. Like, it sounds like initially they would leave. Like, the men would leave once in a while to, like, for work, do some odd jobs to get more money. But once it was pretty established, like, they had, like, kind of like, stores, post office. but They had a lot of things on the colony, schools. Interesting. Yeah, so they were kind of isolated. Okay.
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But the really interesting piece is that a lot of the men that started these colonies, they were, like, very well educated. Like, they had gone to, like, Oberlin College, of pretty prestigious liberal arts school that's, like, still... like prestigious to today yeah like university of toronto like these really well educated men that were just like super into anarchism and we're like we're gonna do it we're gonna just we're gonna make our little ideal in this colony okay can i ask a clarifying question absolutely this is gonna make me found sound real dumb no whenever i think of anarchy for some reason i think of fires anarchists are just truly like anti-establishment essentially right um no government
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No government. That's what I... Okay, cool. Yeah. i saying Anarchy is like the lack of government. um It's usually tied to like communism, socialism, kind of like a lack of like a hierarchy. Yeah. My husband's really into political theory. So when I was telling him about this episode, yeah he was doing a deep dive.
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um He was giving me a lot of information. I I love that so much. Oh my gosh. It me so happy. He's listening. I love you so much, but I did not retain everything that you said to me. ah Yeah, anarchy, lack of government. So really what this is, is like kind of your standard, like no hierarchy. Everyone's together. Everyone's contributing. You're living together. You're working together. There's no like real ownership of anything.
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Okay. I think the term like anarchy or anarchist, it sounds so scary, but it really is like socialism essentially but not but so i get where you're come from like yeah like there's definitely crosshairs but like kind of very different and like in more like modern sense they're very similar however i think at their core they're different things i'm just seeing them see them combined today yeah um so back to the Back to the home colony. So at this time, you't you couldn't really just have a colony. like You had to have someone own the land that you were like living on, right? So the three families in early 1898, they established the Mutual Home Association, which was literally just created, um in quotations, to assist its members in obtaining and and building homes and to aid in establishing better social and moral conditions.
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so that's like directly their purpose. Okay. Yeah. um I feel like that's very of the time too. I feel like that was very popular in like the the early nineteen hundreds Kind of this like a more like alternative way of living. And like, um this was an interesting rise in like politics overseas as well.
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um So when the U.S. is like kind of establishing, like establishing itself as ah as like a like a world power almost. Yeah. And there's like a lot of like interesting influences from other places. love that.
00:12:41
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The document for the Mutual Home Association was signed on January 20th, 1898 by the Verities, the Allens, the Odells, and 11 other men and women. So at this point, there was like a small colony. It wasn't like we're looking at like under 20 people.
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um And they just kind of lived like in their little colony. They were working. They had like they had kids there and they were pretty insular. But one of the interesting things about a lot of these colonies was that they were really affected by outside events and people's perception of what they were doing. Okay. So 1901, President William McKinley was shot um and died later by – and was shot by a man who was ah an American, but he was like a Polish descent. He claimed to be an anarchist.
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but like really wasn't involved in anarchist circles. Like they were kind of like, ah he's, ah he's not, he calls himself this, but he's like actually like really radical or just like, he doesn't actually fit into our group.
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But to the outside eyes, he was an anarchist. And of course you attach a label to someone, everyone, anyone else that holds that label is then deemed the enemy.
Challenges in Anarchist Ideals
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Yeah. So um after McKinley died, about 85 members of the grand army of the Republic um met in Tacoma and they essentially were like, we need to get rid of all anarchists. Like there ah threats, our democracy. It's going to be the end of times. um And they were, they were like, okay, we need to get rid of all this. We need to do all this. So the people on home were like, oh shit. Like they're going to come for us. Yeah. Yeah.
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Nothing ever actually happened though. Okay. they were I think they were like kind of just removed enough um that they were kind of like, they were kind of fine. I would imagine too that there's like levels to anarchists. Like there's the ones that truly just want peace and like to have their way of life. And then there's the ones that are like trying to push their agenda and like do wild crazy things. Like what just happened? So yeah hopefully, they yeah, it sounds like they're the more peaceful variety. Yeah, so they were like definitely on guard. Yeah.
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But i imagine like the the army in Tacoma, they were kind of like just like keeping tabs on them, right? Yeah. like If they were to do anything like out of the ordinary, there would have been repercussions. but That's also crazy.
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right Right? This army in Tacoma? Yeah. So that was 1901. By April of the population of home was So 28 men, 25 women and 41 children.
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Wow. Yes. So this is when they've really started to create more of an infrastructure. Um, and they like had more houses. Um, they were just building more and more things in the colony. And then 1910, there was 213 residents. Holy shit. 75 children.
00:15:38
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I wonder how they got the word out. I think it they, so they had a newspaper. The newspaper was really big back then. Um, And they had a lot of like um anarchist articles that they would write, kind of like political articles. They had their own post office. And a lot of the research that I was doing talked about how um like the post office was like so central to just expanding them and getting their word out. And how people were trying to censor them by like closing their post office, limiting their post office, um which is such a crazy thing to think about today. You know? Yes. Like anyone can get on social media and like post what they're thinking. But at this time it was like literally like if you didn't have a post office, your word just stopped in your general vicinity.
00:16:19
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That is kind of crazy. Right? Right. um so In 1910, though, there was some other outside events that rocked kind of the foundation of home. So in October that year, there was some essentially labor issues in Los Angeles.
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And the LA Times um was doing a lot of the reporting on that. Again, like newspapers, post offices were really big ways to spread information. And so a bomb was actually placed in the newspaper plant and it went off and it killed 21 people.
00:16:54
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Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah. And they, so the owner of the paper hired a detective agency to track down the two people that they suspected of um planting the bomb. Mm-hmm.
00:17:07
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And their names were Matthew Schmidt and David Kaplan. and the agent, the detectives actually tracked them kind of up towards Washington and thought that they were staying at home. So they kind of infiltrated the colony, pretended that they were people like that were interested in anarchism, um kind of trying to seek leads.
00:17:24
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Yeah. So they never actually found the the two men in home. um They are quite confident that the that one of the men was staying there for a period of time. But I believe that they were the one of the men at the least was actually found on Bainbridge Island.
00:17:38
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So kind of was working his way up the coast of Washington. ah Probably to Bellingham. Let's be realistic. Right. But a really interesting piece in why the detectives actually came up to home was because home had hosted a woman named Emma Goldman, who was a really popular writer, like um anarchist writer at the time. So she was of a Russian, like Lithuanian descent. Like it was the Russian empire time. So like there was, she was born in Lithuania, but it was, yeah. Yeah. um And she had a super interesting story as well. um Again, my husband gave me a deep dive into the life of Emma Goldman and some of her beliefs yesterday. um
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But so she was born in Russia. She came to the U.S. when she was like in her 20s, I believe. Was kind of living in New York, bouncing around. um Got really into anarchism and public speaking and was basically spreading the word of anarchism, communism, socialism, things like that. Yeah.
00:18:36
Speaker
And so she would travel around the country. um giving speeches and she like the the McKinley assassin assassination affected her like speaking as well people were thinking that she was a part of that she was actually she ended up being deported actually that's sad just because she they think that she was doing okay yeah yeah but it was kind of an interesting time I never realized that like anarchism was that popular in the US in like the early 1900s that is very interesting oh
00:19:07
Speaker
I didn't know that either. And I've always heard of like anarchism as like a big scary thing, but it doesn't sound as scary. No, I think one of the conclusions that I kind of came to yesterday um and talking about this was like how like I feel like anarchism sounds really cool, right? Like everyone's on the same level. You're like self-governing. It's like very communal. um You don't have anyone telling you what to do.
00:19:33
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But it really only works um up until the point where you don't know everyone. Yeah. Which think is like a common conclusion that like a lot of researchers have come to. Like i think the, was it like the the Dunbar number? It's like 100 people or something like that. Yeah. Like the minute you have a population over 100, just, you don't know everyone. Yes. And if you don't know everyone, then you need some kind of governing force to kind of trickle policy down.
00:19:58
Speaker
Makes sense. yeah
Division and Dissolution of Home Colony
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Keep everyone safe. It's not for like control. It's just so we're all on the same page. We know that murder is bad and we're not going to do that. Exactly. Exactly. Because if I don't know you, you don't mean as much to me. Right. Yes. um Yeah. But super kind of super interesting. And it it seems like the home colony kind of tied to that. Right. Like they were doing pretty well when they were under 100 people. or writing it Right around 100 people. And then once they started getting over that.
00:20:28
Speaker
um Yes, there was like external influences that um kind of the affected the colony. um But I'm going to talk about next is some kind of like internal strife that came. Partially because with that many people, they decided to have more mixture of opinions and like they couldn't all be on the same page all the time.
00:20:45
Speaker
Totally makes sense. Okay. So 1911, it's kind of the start of the end of the colony. Okay. And it had to do over nude bathing.
00:20:58
Speaker
That is not what I was expecting you to say. Nope. Especially in Washington state, nude bathing. Yes. But 1900s. So like early, early 1900s. That actually, okay, I'm tracking now. I'm tracking. Yeah.
00:21:13
Speaker
So they a ah Pierce County deputy, he actually lived in the home colony, which like, Interesting. That's quite the trick. Well, just like think about that for that for a second. Like he is clearly an anarchist if he's living in this colony, yet he works for a governing body. Yeah, he's in the police force.
00:21:33
Speaker
That like that's an interesting um mental hurdle to jump through. But to each their own, I suppose. Yes. um So he ended up arresting a couple of home residents, three women and a man for swimming in the nudes.
00:21:51
Speaker
Like swimming in a pool, swimming in the ocean. what are we... what do we know Yeah, like on the beach. Because home kind of borders like ah the ocean or the the sound. Okay.
00:22:02
Speaker
I'm so sorry. I'm going to distract us for a second. Skitty dipping is... In my mind, i don't think there's like a ah lot wrong with it unless there's like children around and then I'm like, okay. But like also, I have a severe aversion to it because like you're naked in the ocean.
00:22:19
Speaker
oh yeah. that There's other things that live there too. And I'm just going to put this out here. We're the weakest of the beings for the most part. Yes. I don't want my orifices on display for for those things. Orifices?
00:22:36
Speaker
oh my god yeah anyways these people were arrested and they were charged with indecent exposure um they eventually came in front of a judge and a couple of the charges were actually dismissed however the press was like all over this kind of case right like yeah bathing what is happening um anarchist yeah like titties are everywhere yeah like like yeah just all over the place yeah um but it really divided the colony like half people were like they should be able to do whatever they want like yeah they want to be naked go for it i don't like don't maybe i don't want to see it so i'm not going to go there but like yeah you can do it the other half were like absolutely not you should not be able to do that that's insane
00:23:24
Speaker
And so it really, like, divided the the colony into two so two different factions. And similar to the Glenis colony I talked about in the beginning, once there's, like, factions in a colony, it kind of led to the end of it. Yeah. um So there was, like like, vandalism, threats of violence. Like, these, like, factions were, like, going at it. They were, like, really unhappy with each other. Yikes. And then in 1917, both elected... um Basically, like would like, eliminate the colony. Abolish the MHA, the mutual housing.
Reflection on Home Colony's Legacy
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um
00:24:03
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That's kind of sad, right? That it crumbled. And then like the land was then dispersed back. But it was basically the the start of the end. So nude bathing took down this anarchist colony that had been around for almost 20 years. And that's the you title of the episode.
00:24:21
Speaker
Nudists taking down our degree. I love it. But like 20 years, like you are these kids that like grew up in this colony. Yeah. Which is like, think of what a crazy childhood that must be.
00:24:34
Speaker
Like I was like living in this commune, but like the education was really fantastic because ah they really, um really highlighted like teaching children and giving them a lot of like spiritual lessons. And they learned about a lot of things that normal public schools like weren't teaching at the time.
00:24:50
Speaker
They learned a lot about like politics and theology and like other like like yoga, which was like super crazy for the early nineteen hundreds Right. That's yeah i like that.
00:25:04
Speaker
that would be That would be a rough transition going from that to like a public school. yeah Yeah. It was just like the real world. Like if you're like 18, you're like, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to leave home. I'm going to go to Tacoma.
00:25:16
Speaker
And it's like completely different. Especially if you grew up with like a strong sense of community and then going somewhere where it's like the Seattle freeze is real, real present. Yeah. you It's interesting that they just didn't a fraction, like start their own communes separately, like draw a line in the sand where it's like, these are the people who are prudes. These are people that are not prudes.
00:25:37
Speaker
let's coexist equally together, but I think it was a lot of it was like the kind of almost the financials of it in a way. Like they still kind of owned everything together. and then it's like, do I, do we take one school? Do we make another school? And like, who's where? And then like, is this the only issue that divides us or do we have other issues? Like, feel like the minute you have one conflict, then all the other conflict that maybe has been like pushed down for ages, like is going to come to the surface. Yeah. It seems like that would be such a silly thing to really so like start off with.
00:26:09
Speaker
this fractioning, but I'm guessing there's other things beneath the service. And this was just kind of the flashpoint where it's like, okay, we've had enough. Yeah. Like I was talking about the, that Dunbar number, right? Like yeah they don't like, I, I, you can't know everyone. You can't always agree on anything when you have a population that big. Yeah. At this point they were at like 200 or so members. Um, that's like a decent size, like group. Like you think of like, didn't feel like the closest thing that I can think of was like a company, right? Like, yeah.
00:26:36
Speaker
We had a company, 200 people. Like I can guarantee not everyone agrees on like most or most things. But like with the structure, whoever's making decisions, um that's kind of like your guiding light. But if you don't have that, like I feel like there should conflict or conflict or conflict and I wouldn't get anything done. Yeah, I would agree with that.
00:26:57
Speaker
And you would have to like someone would have to secede power at a 200. Like there's going to be have to be the like a council or something where there's like 10 people that are making the majority of the decisions where if you've got like 30 people, most of the adults could come to some sort of agreement peacefully. but Yeah, that makes sense. um That's so interesting, though. I had no idea.
00:27:19
Speaker
that was why home was named home. Yeah. And that is really cool. It's a good story. Yeah. And there was like a handful of other ones too, as well. Like all had like slightly different ideals, of course. um But yeah, there was like five to 10 in that timeframe that we're all operating in the Puget Sound area.
00:27:38
Speaker
That's really interesting. Yeah. yeah Who knew that that was the roots of Washington state. Again, I'm shocked why, I feel like my entire history, like Washington history is like Native Americans that were here first. And then the Hudson Bay Company came and Lewis and Clark and we just destroyed everything. And then somehow we fast forward to like the 1970s. There's like this no in between like transition period. um So it's very interesting learning about all of these historical things I had no idea about.
00:28:08
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Yeah,
Closing Thoughts and Future Exploration
00:28:09
Speaker
yeah. Now these are kinds of things like I wish i had learned about in school and not like the life cycle of the salmon because I can still talk to you about their life cycle.
00:28:20
Speaker
It's a fun part of tricks I like to pull out once in a while actually. i kind of love that. I don't know what's wrong with my brain but I seem to forget things promptly. I think that's more of testament of how many times i talked about the life cycle of a salmon in my elementary school.
00:28:38
Speaker
It's like every year the science was like salmon, salmon, salmon. It's because we're trying to bring them back because we destroyed them all. No, i It's very interesting. Well, thank you for this. This was lovely.
00:28:50
Speaker
Always, always. Well, everyone, that's it for today's dive into the dark corners of the Pacific Northwest. If you love the stories or shivered a little, be sure to subscribe and follow so you don't miss what's lurking beneath the evergreens next time.
00:29:03
Speaker
Thanks for joining us on Beneath the Evergreens. We appreciate you diving into the mysteries with us. Until next time, keep your eyes open and your door is locked.