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Chris: god I understand. Welcome back to the Mythic Giraffe Podcast. I'm Chris.
ron: ah um I'm wrong.
ron: That was about right.
Chris: Yeah. It's, yeah. Hey, it's a little bit warmer today.
ron: Is it? have an outside, really.
Chris: yeah Yeah, it is. It is.
ron: I...
Chris: It's better than the cold, drizzly 54 degrees it was yesterday.
ron: Oh, apparently it was gorgeous up here in my house. My wife was telling me how nice it was.
Chris: Oh, isn't that good for her?
ron: and start up I'm like, yeah, good for you. Thanks.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: Hoodies, although comfortable, do not really protect you from the rain.
ron: No. No. And I put my hoodies away because it's me.
Chris: Oh.
Chris: Oh.
ron: Yeah. So, you know, that sucks. Yeah.
Chris: Oh.
ron: I did it to myself again. i am a 46-year-old man who isn't... I'm really starting to worry about myself. I really think I have developed real cognitive decline.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: i I'm a 46-year-old man who cannot use a calendar. I just can't use a calendar. I get my... Well, I was bitching with you about it last year last week because I had made a doctor's appointment the day after work and I was freaking slanting it before and like just that sucked.
Chris: yeah
ron: And then I did it again this this morning. like um I got at work yesterday and I get my like a little text. Hey, you have a haircut at 930 in the morning. i like Why would I make my haircut for 930 in the morning? It takes me two hours to get out get home from work. I get off work at 7.
Chris: That's, that's, yeah, that's cutting it close.
ron: What kind of idiot does that to himself?
Chris: Yeah. And you, I mean, you, you do realize you work every fourth day.
ron: I know exactly what days I work from now until the day I retire. It's in my calendar. It repeats. I was staring at my calendar when I made the appointment.
Chris: Hmm.
ron: What is wrong with me? There's...
Chris: Well, I think what the question is, what is wrong with past Ron?
ron: yes password's a real asshole and he i don't i don't know like something must enter my oh it'll be fine and i'll get off work on time and rush right home and get my hair and that's what i had to do today was like um so i'm so dumb i don't know what i'm doing to myself
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Well, I think it's the, think we do it a lot. We just, you know, oh well I have downtime. i can, you know, easily take care of x Y, and Z. But then when said downtime actually hits, it's like, i don't want to.
ron: Well, yeah, that too.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: and and I'm sure my brain was like, at the time, well, I don't want to have an appointment at 3 o'clock in the afternoon because then I'm like, my whole day's ruined.
Chris: It's.
Chris: Right. Yeah, yeah.
ron: But 9.30 in the morning, that's the math don't math.
Chris: I didn't know barbershops opened that early.
ron: not a barbershop. I go to still time.
Chris: Yeah, but still, I mean. Yeah.
ron: Yeah, they're open early. They close early on Friday, so they close at like 2 o'clock on Friday, so It's kind of like the fire department.
Chris: Oh, really? Huh.
ron: yeah They're all gone by too.
Chris: I didn't even come into work today, so.
ron: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: yeah Hey, I had to do some plumbing this morning.
ron: yeah
ron: Hey, look. We all got time.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: I'm taking...
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Two weeks off this month, I turn around and I did it to my go again.
Chris: Yeah. Why don't
ron: So I've got three shifts off starting. I work Monday and then I'm off for three. Then I come back for one or two. i think it's two. And then I'm off for four. What?
ron: Why did I do that to myself?
Chris: yeah i you just take those other two off?
ron: I don't know.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: I don't know what I'm doing. i i need this i need a life coach or something.
Chris: yeah
ron: i need to like hand over my schedule to someone be like, can you just don't let me make decisions because clearly I make bad decisions.
Chris: fix it hmm yeah yeah yeah well yeah because the first one is you're getting back into the rigmarole of work and all that and then the next one you're it's you know like just before summer break you know you're like yeah whatever
ron: I was going to be miserable. Those two shifts between would be terrible. I'm going to have to shave.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Inevitably, the shift before you go on a long vacation, you run your nuts off.
Chris: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
ron: Inevitably.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: and it's It's been building on D-shift. We haven't had one of those real bad days in a while.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: i
Chris: Nah,
ron: I'm very worried about Monday, and then I'm very worried about June 4th.
Chris: that it'll be next Friday.
ron: Well, good. I don't care if it happens next Friday. I won't be there.
Chris: Yeah. I mean, that is the Ides of May, so.
ron: Yeah, they're good.
Chris: see ye ah yeah yeah yeah why why why no no
ron: F
ron: them. They said something there and they're like, wow, what's going on. I said, I don't care about that. not come up I'm off. Well, we'll check your email. No.
ron: No, no. No, we're not. boom We take phone call. My beloved driver.
Chris: what did she do
ron: She... We have this volunteer riding with us. He's a nice enough fellow.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: He needed my phone number so he could call me and ask about something that happened while I wasn't even at work.
Chris: Oh.
ron: And I said, why did you give him my phone number? Well, he asked. I said, I wouldn't give him your phone number.
Chris: He asked.
ron: Why would you do that?
Chris: He asked. Yeah.
ron: And she's he's she's like, what, did you answer the phone when he called? I said, absolutely not. Answering the phone when an unknown number pops up. I don't answer phone when a known number pops up.
Chris: ah yeah Yeah, it's it's a 50-50 shot sometimes.
ron: It's a 50-50 shot if I have my phone on me.
Chris: Well, yeah. Yeah, so he said, I will leave my phone at my desk, and I'll go make a lap. And the other day, I did that, and you know somebody was like, oh, yeah.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: i was like, oh, just you know send me a text. They were like, well, just put down your phone. I was like, I don't have my phone on me. They were like, what do you mean? was like, what do you mean, what do you mean? I don't have my phone on me.
Chris: It's not that odd.
ron: Yeah, there's there's significant portions of my day where my phone is either upstairs or I'm out and about and no phone on me.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: The only time you can guarantee you why I'll have my phone on me is I'm at the gym and that's because listening of music.
Chris: Hmm. Yeah.
ron: That's it. That's the only promise I make about this stupid phone.
Chris: Well, now I guess it was one of the updates or something stupid Garmin phone disconnected, phone reconnected, phone disconnected, phone reconnect.
ron: Nice.
Chris: I'm like, dr I don't care.
ron: I tried to make a phone call today from my touch screen on my car.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: And I said, call this person.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: And then it says, hi, I'm Gemini, your AI assistant. I could teach you how to cant make phone calls. And I'm like, sit and it just kept going. I'm like, shut the fuck up.
Chris: yeah
ron: Shut the fuck up. I'm in my car screaming at my car to shut up.
Chris: See, this is why you need a Zune.
ron: It just...
Chris: You wouldn't done that.
ron: Yeah, I would be better off having a old school field telephone from World War II where I got to crank it my hand.
Chris: Ah.
ron: I was not happy. Sure, sure.
ron: <unk> not happy
Chris: Yeah, I well, that's like the Bluetooth in the Jeep is not the best. And I definitely don't have any fancy touchscreen or anything like that, but I guess it just doesn't understand me sometimes.
ron: sure sure
Chris: But the the other day I was like, you know, call mom home. So calling nine one. was like, no, no, no.
ron: ah oh god yeah it doesn't work none of it works nothing i nothing works anymore feel like it all worked for a good four years and it's all falling apart everything sucks you're not my ai assistant i don't have an ai assistant i don't want an ai assistant how about that i just want my phone to make a phone call
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. ah Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. It is.
Chris: But phones do everything now. you imagine if kids had to go back to you know the flipflows flip phones and all? and Yeah.
ron: I don't think my shift could go 24 hours without their phone.
Chris: Really?
ron: No. And I know on C-shift, if you gave if you took a phone away from one person, that person would have seizures. Yes.
Chris: Wait, is it somebody on 1C?
ron: Yes.
Chris: Hmm.
ron: aha
Chris: Okay.
ron: If that person couldn't check out the CAD for three counties, we would have legitimately go into seizures.
Chris: Oh, yes! Oh! Yeah. yeah ah
ron: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: And they'd like...
Chris: That'd be a good social experiment, though. You know, like, hey, guys, yeah this shift, we're going to you know kick it old school.
ron: Yeah, it'd be great until they got lost on every call and couldn't find anything.
Chris: Yeah, they have a, I would make sure they have map books.
ron: We'll get TomTom. We'll a TomTom for him. yeah i do now i i
Chris: God, I can see now that they get that dispatched to Parkside. Central, what's across street?
ron: they ah Legitimately, i would believe it. I think if you told them to go to 1109 South Shoemaker, they wouldn't know to get there.
ron: They bring their app up for everything.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there are some of them. It's literally like, you know, they'll pull out of the engine bay and then they just sit there like, you know, a puppy. And it's like, what? It's like, they'll go left or right. I'm like, what do you mean left or right? yeah How do you not know this?
Chris: As the chauffeur, you should at least know your first like three or four turns.
ron: It's...
ron: They... i have noticed a big difference in my career now is that is not even a bandwidth in their heads. Like, they just... There's no way.
ron: Where, like, i can... I'm not going to say i know every street in the city of Salisbury. But I bet you gave me an 80%...
Chris: Yeah.
ron: chance I'd find at least the general area of almost every street.
Chris: yeah. Yeah.
ron: You know, I'd be like, okay, it's all auto-functioning city road, you turn left and it's going to be over there.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: You know, like, go.
Chris: It's like, oh, that's that's over with the the the bodies of water and the lakes. That's over by the generals.
ron: Right. Right.
Chris: That's by the states.
ron: I could get you to within like a cross street of it.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Almost every street in the city.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: I think some of these people couldn't get that to the firehouse if they didn't have a
Chris: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I remember there was one newer person. I was like, oh, yeah. there yeah The call got dispatched. I was oh, it's over past the reservation. I'm like, what's the reservation? What?
Chris: what what but what What do you mean, what's the reservation?
ron: yeah and it's it's weird because like i'll do training with them all the time i'm like all right we're gonna we're gonna map out x neighborhood right we're just gonna do we'll do we like the old maps like we used to do where we fill in the maps and they just they don't retain it and it's active i think it's just because they don't have to
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, yeah. I wonder if part of it also, though, is, I mean, kids don't really just ride around now.
ron: Yeah, totally. Would you at $4.50 gallon?
Chris: So. Yeah,
ron: Yeah. to fair, that's
Chris: yeah yeah, it's true. It's true. But yeah, it's it is boggling how, you they just don't know. And like, you're like, oh, it's on the north side of town.
Chris: And you see like the gears spinning. It's like north. Yeah, well, highways that have even numbers go east-west.
ron: to be fair
Chris: Odd numbers go north-south.
ron: that's
ron: To be fair, the city of Salisbury is laid out like a crackhead's dream.
Chris: Well, yes, but...
ron: I don't know what went wrong with your town. don't understand. I don't know who made the decision to keep Division Street as the same name for 12 different streets.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: I just...
Chris: or Main Street that turns to Fitzwater that turns to Parsons that then turns back and yeah.
ron: Yeah.
ron: Yeah, it's bonkers.
Chris: Yeah. Or that there's, oh, Johnson.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: Are you going to Johnson Street, Johnson Drive or Johnson way or something?
ron: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: know Johnson road. It's like, what the hell?
ron: Nope. Nope.
Chris: And of course they are not anywhere near each other. Yeah.
ron: Nope. to to the
Chris: But then you have Upland. You have Upland Terrace that's off of East Upland Drive, just off of North Upland Drive, which is past an Upland Circle. And it's like, if that's another one, it's like, you're dumb.
ron: I challenge you to find any dumber intersection in the city of Salisbury and or in almost any town in the USA as Marquis Avenue and Marquis Avenue.
Chris: Yes. Yeah.
ron: How that...
Chris: Yep.
ron: There feels like there needs to be like a guy who's in charge of the map. It was like, nope, one no no, no, You can't have cross streets with the same street name.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: That's not...
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: this That's not good. You remember like back when they used to give you cross streets, you see Central, can you make a cross street? And they'd give you some road and you're like, all right, Central, can we go one cross street further?
ron: Because I have no idea what you're talking about.
Chris: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
ron: Because it'd be like steeplechase and they'd be like, oh, it's off ah Bridal Road. Cool, Central. It's three o'clock the morning. My brain is not working. I need something better than that.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah, or yeah, they they would give the street or whatever, you're part of like, I know exactly where I'm going.
ron: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: And hell bent for glory. And then all of a sudden, they would, maybe I don't know where I'm going. which what What do you mean?
ron: Yeah. Such a thing about Patriot.
Chris: ah There was one night we drove all around would Woodland Road down off of Riverside. And we were supposed to go to Woodland, which is, know,
Chris: Back off of Isabella, or past Isabella Street. Uh-huh.
ron: Whoops.
Chris: Yeah. Or Tony Tank Village, and we're yeah at Tony Tank Lane.
ron: Yeah.
ron: You know what really messes with my brain? You have North Park, South Park, and then isn't it Park View, which is off Isabella?
Chris: Yeah. Yeah, Parkview Court off Isabella Street.
ron: No.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: The park's not over there.
Chris: Yeah. No.
ron: we' Stop it.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: What's Camden Court?
ron: Yeah, okay.
Chris: You've got Camden Avenue, Camden Street, Camden Court, and they were like, you know, a mile apart each.
ron: Okay.
Chris: It's like, no, why? No, no.
ron: Yeah, yeah. There's no way charge the map for that site of that city. I almost, I was so in awe.
Chris: Well, now you're going to have, what it, Isolin Way or whatever?
ron: yeah is that how you say it? I don't even know. I'm going to say this.
Chris: i don't know. it's It's probably pronounced Joe or something.
ron: It's got too many vowels for me to care.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Once a word has more than three vowels, it is past... well um Speak of this, so my rookie. We were just sitting around, check you know, messing around this morning, and I i always say, yeah that's, a you know, Garrett Jobob.
ron: I make a middle name him, and he's like, you'll never guess my middle name.
Chris: yeah
ron: and i was like, all right, let's let's play the game. I says, does it start with a consonant or a vowel? And he says, well, it doesn't start with a vowel. I'm like... Are you trying to mean that it's a Y because sometimes vowel, not a consonant? Or are you trying to say it's a consonant? Just answer the question. It's not a game of bluff here, Jackass.
Chris: he was trying to catch you. Yeah.
ron: Yeah.
ron: His middle name is crazy.
Chris: um yeah
ron: It's not even a word. like he He literally said he didn't know how to spell his middle name for like most of his life.
Chris: Oh my gosh.
ron: It's because it's a hardcore German name. It's like, whoa.
Chris: Oh, gotcha.
ron: yeah
Chris: Das Flughafen.
ron: Yep. 100%. ah hundred percent
Chris: Yeah. Oh, peaches.
ron: Oh, this is weird. This is my brain is weird. So I very rarely, i went to the gym after my haircut this morning, you know, I haven't been home yet. So i'm like, why do I go pee?
ron: I've never, don't think i've ever been in that bathroom, which have two problems with this bathroom in the gym.
Chris: In the gym. Okay.
ron: So use the, no, I wear my gym clothes to the gym.
Chris: Isn't that where you get changed?
ron: I wear my gym clothes out of the gym.
Chris: Okay.
ron: Why don't you change at the gym?
Chris: I don't know.
ron: I'm not a 60-year-old man showing my balls yet.
ron: anyways, go in there and went to use the urinal and whatever cleaning product they used had the smell of peaches, which just struck me as very odd.
Chris: Oh.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: I don't know... It's not wrong, but it felt wrong.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: Like, I don't consider peaches a clean fruit. Everybody knows...
Chris: Remember, we used to have that peach spray for the ambulances.
ron: I don't remember that.
Chris: You don't remember that? Oh, yeah. It was also you would just run some horrible trauma, somebody vomit in the back or whatever. It's like, oh, now it smells like somebody threw up peaches.
ron: Yeah, that doesn't sound good either.
Chris: No.
ron: Like, that's not the clean fruits, right?
Chris: oh
ron: The clean fruits are easy. It's orange, lemon, and lime, right?
Chris: Yeah, it's citrus. Yeah. Yeah.
ron: It's not peaches.
Chris: yeah well i mean at work we've got cucumber melon the urinal cake the air grid things you don't they have uh quite large smell and it says right on it cucumber melon and the hand soap is cucumber melon
ron: What do you have with cucumber melon?
ron: Well, I never taste them.
ron: No, it's not. It's just unflavored. You guys have that. that
Chris: no folks
ron: Folks. Folks. Folks. This right here is the ivory tower. The guy that they pay to wash their hands and dry their hands is using cucumber melon soaps.
Chris: we don't have a guy that does that had to let him go
ron: we We're out there in the trenches using unscented foaming crap ass soap with the worst paper towels in the world.
Chris: gosh the paper towels wouldn't be as bad if they were the right size dispenser yeah
ron: These guys are... guys
ron: That's also a problem. That's fair.
ron: ah feel like to save $1.50 a case, we use 10,000 times more paper towels because they always come in in clumps.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: It's like, oh, I want one paper towel. Well, there's 12. I want one paper towel.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Well, there's half of one. It's bitches.
Chris: yes Yeah. It's either half or five.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: There's no.
ron: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Cucumber, melon, soaps, and garital cakes.
Chris: I. That's what's in those. That's what's in the Hilliard soap dispensers.
ron: um with a billiard so such was fa did not eat ah
Chris: That's what you guys have out there.
ron: We are using generic government knockoff from World War of Sub-Subsidization 1.
Chris: it's just SOP with like a line over the O yeah
ron: Yeah, it's yeah. And the S is like the backwards, like, ah know, Cyrillic S. Where'd you get the S-O-P-A-Z-O-M?
ron: It only turns when I use it, but it must be working because my hands feel so new.
Chris: yeah
Chris: What's like that stupid degreaser rehab at work? If you get that on your hands, it superifies your hands. Yeah.
ron: yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: yeah
ron: speaking can Speaking of maniacs in charge of things that work.
ron: we We went to a bullshit brush fire like couple of years ago and the maniac in chief came out and brought the tanker with us.
Chris: Okay.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: And he's like, he went to my driver and said, just put some less oil in the tank.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
ron: It makes the water wetter. And my driver said, what the fuck are you talking about?
ron: And then she came up to me later and she's like, he told me to put less oil in the tank. I said, I don't know where this crazy thing came from, but these old heads believe that less oil makes water wetter.
ron: and at point
Chris: It does. breaks the surface tension so it absorbs faster.
ron: And that has what to do with putting brush fires out?
Chris: Because it soaks in.
ron: Oh, and the science behind that is what?
Chris: it that Surface tension.
ron: and then And then he said,
Chris: yeah i i have literally heard people go ahead and when you get here, we're going need you to use the wet water.
ron: ahhu yeah i've i've heard this I told her the same thing.
Chris: ah
ron: said, these old head maniacs think this is a real thing. And then he said, well, yeah, and it's it's good for the valves. It lubricates the valves. And I'm like, It doesn't. It doesn't because it's a soap.
ron: Soap breaks down lubricants.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: So whatever valve lubricant that it would get involved in, it would break it down. it would actually be damaging lubrication of the valves. 100%.
ron: 100%
Chris: Well, remember, we also had a lieutenant who covered himself in lust oil
ron: did. But he... hundred percent did
Chris: ah to to show how decon works.
ron: but she
ron: Yep, 100%. But he looked at me like the dona yeah his Boy Scout, Cub Scout swim trunks they're not did not cover anything that we needed covered.
Chris: Wearing a pair of swim trunks that he wore probably when he was in fourth grade.
ron: That's for sure. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, this man was a solid, yeah, 300 and was wearing something that was like, i don't know, 8T.
ron: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: ah Well, did you use the wet water? I'd
ron: No, because we don't have less oil. We haven't had less oil on the engines in probably 10 years. No,
Chris: say four. God. i'd say four
ron: um it's been more than four years, Rob.
Chris: a
ron: Well, that my driver's been there seven years, and we haven't had that on the engines in seven years.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: so
Chris: Yeah. God. Yeah. Maybe that's... We'll bring it back.
ron: Well, that's what he said. He's like, well, I'm going to have to make sure we send a case out to the stations.
Chris: it's brush season.
ron: And I was like, what are we doing? this is This is another one of those things that just people say it's based on no science.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Nothing. All it does is it makes the water bubbly so you can see the bubbles. It's not not foam.
ron: its
Chris: Well, no, it's one step down from foam.
ron: No, no, no. It's it's just soapy water. It'd be the same as putting dish soap in your goddamn engine.
ron: Yeah. That was my conversation.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: He was like, well, i like ah I like the smell when it comes out of the nozzle. I'm like, okay, well, it's fair. i can't I can't argue with that one. I do like the smell.
Chris: Les Doyle used to use less toil's historic historical ad campaign was less toil we make water wetter
ron: does It doesn't... They used to say Marlboros made you a better man. What are you talking about?
Chris: i'm just saying they yeah actually used to say it in their marketing oh that's epic because i told you it breaks it's it breaks down the surface tension so it allows it to be absorbed
ron: Right.
ron: Please explain to me the science of making water. Uh-huh.
ron: By what?
Chris: Because there's no surface tension holding the droplets of water together. So then for they disperse.
ron: So when I pour water on mulch, you're saying the surface tension creates a puddle that doesn't get absorbed by the mulch.
Chris: Yes.
Chris: Correct.
ron: And you've seen this for now you've seen this phenomenon happen many times in your life?
Chris: Not as well.
Chris: You have seen dew, haven't you? That's a little droplet of water on because it has it has surface tension. You break that surface tension, it's absorbed to the...
ron: Yeah, but I didn't pump it out of an engine at 58 PSI. What are you talking about? it didn't come out of a fog nozzle. you
ron: The surface tension of dew is microscopic.
Chris: Look, I'm just going by what the good people at Les Doyle say.
ron: Oh, yeah, exactly. i heard in 1977, it doesn't what you do. And that's just something we keep passing on for no reason.
Chris: ah
ron: you know You know who says this kind of stuff? The people who believe that are otters in the goddamn Powellville pond. Y'all are on drugs. Oh,
Chris: I bet there are otters out there.
ron: see? See?
Chris: Why wouldn't there be
ron: I've never seen an otter out in Powellville.
Chris: How much time have you spent in Powellville?
ron: I vacation there frequently.
Chris: Vacation there. There's a lovely little B&B.
ron: Yeah, there's lovely Airbnb right there in the town.
Chris: God, you know, they used to blow the fire siren every day so that chickens would get used to it.
ron: No, I did not know that was a thing.
Chris: Yes, yes.
ron: I believe it, but I don't. i don't
Chris: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like one of the first shifts I, it was one of the first shifts I worked down there.
ron: How would the chickens...
Chris: I was like, we have a call and they're like, nah, it's just the let the chickens know. I'm like, let the chickens know what?
ron: They're going to die in three weeks? Mm-hmm.
Chris: yeah, I, yeah, I don't, I don't know. It's one of those, I'm sure the chickens never really got used to it. It was just, again, was one of those, You know, old man Johnson said this is good for him.
Chris: Yeah. Ever since we blew the fire siren, it's probably one of those things. The siren blew one time and like the chick, you know, they had a super abundance of eggs the next day. those maniacs are probably like, oh, the fire siren causes more eggs. Not it scared the eggs out of them.
ron: Yeah, yeah.
Chris: ah
ron: and Then they put blood Lester on all their brush fires.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: Bonkers old people. Crazy Eastern Shore people with their myths.
Chris: Oh gosh. What's like your, the guy riding with you yesterday. I thought he was like taking offense when I didn't know whoever his wife was or whatever.
ron: Yeah. Well, you're from the same town as 12 people. So we assume, we all assume that y'll they you all bathed in the pickle factory.
Chris: and some. Thank you.
Chris: did not bathe in the pickle factories, the vats.
ron: Well, it's Wednesday at three, the Truits get their time in the pickle. right
ron: Don't look, cause the little one's real shy when he takes his overalls off.
Chris: Does anybody wear over bib overalls anymore?
ron: in in In my experience and in real life, no. I'm sure in your experience in real life, quite possibly.
Chris: i mean, like toddlers wear them, but
ron: Sure, sure.
Chris: Yeah, like grownups, I mean, maybe like if you're going skiing or something.
Chris: Like ski bibs or if you're if you're going hunting, but.
ron: Yeah, yeah. yes Yeah, that's a different...
ron: Yeah, because, know, the deer...
Chris: Yeah, just like.
ron: Can't see.
Chris: guess it's layering that keeps you warm.
ron: yeah i don't Oh.
Chris: Yeah, I don't know if the last time, you know, somebody just, you know, time to go out. Let me get my good overalls on.
ron: Well, if that person did go out, I'm sure that person went to Dayton's.
Chris: Is that where you guys ended up yesterday?
ron: No, no, no. We went to we went to Greek Pita, actually.
Chris: oh yeah.
ron: so Because I kept looking, going, none of these places are good as Greek Pita. I'm just to have a and nice falafel sandwich.
Chris: ah Yeah. Oh, God. I wish they made their falafels just a little bit smaller, though.
ron: Yeah, they're a little too big for the sandwich. It's like, it's it's too messy.
Chris: Yeah. I'll talk to the guy the next time I'm in there.
ron: Yeah. It's too messy because everything falls out.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: It's still delicious. but
Chris: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
ron: And if I'm getting the fries, give me a little side of tzatziki.
Chris: yeah they will you just gotta ask them wow
ron: You know, just a little. I don't want to ask.
ron: Ketchup sucks, and tzatziki's better.
Chris: well yeah yeah that's like the feta fries people are like oh you're not gonna get feta fries i'm like that's a whole meal all on its own now if they were sweet potato fries
ron: Yeah, I don't want... Look, fries already bad for me. I know and i don't need worse or fries for me. Yeah. yeah
ron: I'm not entertaining this conversation.
Chris: Yeah, know. Well, I guess we'll move on to topic one.
ron: All right, topic one. This is going back to our old school nerd roots.
Chris: Hmm.
ron: So... You have to live in the Star Wars universe.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
ron: You get to choose the time of the Star Wars universe you live in.
Chris: Hmm.
ron: That is currently...
Chris: Oh.
ron: So, like, you can't pick, like... Well, I guess you could pick High Republic. But there's a dangerous front with that. you got to pick, you know, one of the main eras to live through.
ron: You know can't pick like way before the Sith world where nobody had has anything else.
Chris: yeah yeah I mean yeah
ron: I was thinking about which would you pick. It's tough.
ron: And I'm going to throw another caveat on you. You're a Force user.
Chris: oh yeah that that definitely yeah because if you're in like recent you know, the trilogy, then you're persecuted and you're isolated.
ron: yeah If you're in the New Order time, that sucked.
Chris: Yeah. mean, old Republic, you're at war.
ron: If you're in the the the old Republic, you're war. If you're in the High Republic, you're forced to become a Jedi.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: And that sucks.
Chris: Yeah. yeah Yeah. the i mean Pre-Clone Wars. I guess that would probably be around the best, right? Like before the prequels, but yeah, then you're, you're, yeah.
ron: Well, but then you get for
Chris: You're just running around being yeah.
ron: you're you're getting pulled you get pulled to be the padawan you have to go through that terrible life of being a padawan as soon as you find out you're a force user your life sucks in the republic because they're stripping you away from your family and then they got you know can't have emotions can't have human relationships
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. Well,
Chris: yeah
Chris: well i mean that's the thing if you're yeah if you find out you're a ford well they find out you're a force user very young or then you've got it's oh you're too old so you're just like you know billy the special kid yeah
ron: Right, right, yeah.
ron: I...
Chris: god the more the more you talk about it the more the jedi just yeah
ron: They suck!
Chris: yeah
ron: Yeah, they... It's good that the Jedi died out.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, because the new order of Force users were so well thought through. Oh, wait, no.
ron: Well, I had to be careful on this because if if I allowed you to pick Legends, like, there would be...
Chris: hu
Chris: Yeah, that's a thing. I mean, Legends is a whole different ballgame.
ron: right Like, right after the Emperor dies till the start of the Zong War whatever that was, like, that would be cool.
Chris: Oh my gosh, yes.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: yeah but that's but why not isn't it though got to wait but the way they're making stuff right now it seems like they're trying to wrap that back in yeah
ron: But that's gone to us. We can't pick that time. Because it's not canon.
ron: It's not canon. They've... they've
ron: Well, good, because some of my favorite characters are out of that time, so I really would love them to bring them back.
Chris: yeah
ron: But, like, the best Jedi, or... <unk> It's not really hard to call them Jedi. The best Force user that's not one of the main characters is Korin Horn to me, right? Like, he still gets to live his life.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: He's a Force user. He's doing cool, correcting the world universe stuff, but he doesn't live all the Jedi bullshit rules. But that's not in Legends.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: so That's Legends. We can't have that in our discussion.
Chris: Yeah, that's legends. Yeah.
ron: You don't want to live in the High Republic.
Chris: Right. Yeah. And you're just.
ron: Because of you're just being forced into a like a lifetime of servitude to the Jedi Order.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: And like...
Chris: Yeah. I mean, because what the the High Republic was the whole but for light and life.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: I mean, that's that's it.
ron: For the rest of your life, you have zero...
Chris: Yeah.
ron: You have zero agency, right?
Chris: Yeah.
ron: like
Chris: Yeah. Because
ron: The best you can hope is I guess you...
Chris: you get a decent Padawan.
ron: Right, well, like I guess you become a master and that's your best and you get freedom. like You get the quickk the to be at least away from the council.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, but that was a it's not really freedom, though, because you're still just doing whatever they tell you to do.
ron: Yeah, yeah.
Chris: um
ron: But that's the best... case because You don't want to be a Temple Guardian.
Chris: Yeah. Oh my gosh, no.
ron: that's tough oh That's terrible.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: right like You don't want to be on the Jedi Council.
Chris: mean, you get really cool armor, but...
ron: You do get really cool armor.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: But you don't be Jedi Council.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: like That would suck.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: And then the Clone Wars, like, you're going to war, whether you like it or not, after having this life of servitude.
Chris: Yeah. Right.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: If you are a Padawan in the Clone Wars, you're either going to die a Padawan or you're going to be hunted down and killed by Vader, the most scariest person in bad-ass...
Chris: m
Chris: Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
ron: Right? Like, that's bad.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. And I mean, if it's, you know at the beginning of it, you're not even probably going to, as a Padawan, you're not going to finish your training. They're going to say, Oh, look, you know It's bad times. You're now at congratulations. You're a knight.
Chris: Go.
ron: Right. Mm-hmm.
Chris: and here's a small battalion of clone troopers that you have to lead.
ron: Mm-hmm. Yep.
Chris: Golly day.
ron: And there's a good chance, you know, your master's already been killed, and going to die too.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: yeah Again, in a war that you have nothing to do with, and you have no agency at all.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Right. Right. yeah yeah
ron: and so was I was thinking about this, i was like, this this is a sucky time.
Chris: yeah
ron: guess...
ron: guess
ron: There had to be Force users who were born, well, there we know there are in Legends, but even in the canon, there has to be Force users who are just born living out their lives right now, right?
Chris: Yeah, right.
ron: Like in the New Order time.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there are times, there are areas that, yeah, the Republic just didn't have its fingers in and didn't really know about. Yeah.
ron: Right. Yeah, but you don't really hear about, I guess there was like one Force user there that was Chiss, right?
ron: I don't think you hear a lot a lot of the Chiss being Force users.
Chris: No. I mean... Oh, my...
ron: And you and I are screwed if we we're born on Dathomir.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. That's... Yeah. Yeah.
ron: That's not good for us. We have the wrong equipment for that that particular sect of people.
Chris: yeah
ron: a
Chris: that's yeah
ron: Yeah. but You know, I guess like the best you can hope is you're born and you just live as a hermit. You know? Like, Obi-Wan has like the worst arc.
Chris: yeah um
ron: That dude never gets to live his life. Ever.
Chris: Yeah. Huh.
Chris: Chiss force users or force sensitives known as skywalkers or users of the site are exceed exceedingly rare, exclusively female, and generally lose their abilities by adulthood.
ron: Huh.
Chris: Yep. yeah They have second site telepathy precog, but typically fades by age 15.
ron: that's fun.
Chris: Most. most considered a best kept secret of the Chiss ascendancy.
Chris: But I would assume Thrawn is probably one of the anomalies of them that has some of that.
ron: Is he Force user or is he just Force sensitive?
Chris: I think he's just sensitive. he's he but i mean, just the way he you know planned.
ron: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: and um Yeah. God, ah but if he was a Force user, he'd be more so terrifying than Vader.
ron: Yeah. yeah Holy. 100%.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Yeah. And I guess like now I don't know. Ezra's arc is not great either.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: guess he's back, but he missed out his whole life.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Ahsoka did not have a good arc. or I mean, it's it's an interesting arc, but not nice.
ron: It's an interesting arc. It's not a good life for her.
Chris: Hmm. No.
ron: She's basically a paranoid schizophrenic at the end.
Chris: Yeah, yeah.
ron: um
Chris: I mean, Kanan Jarrus.
ron: like guess it ain't
Chris: Oh, yeah. know Falls in love, loses his eyesight, dies horribly.
ron: and dies horribly.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
ron: ah i guess it's implied that his son is a force user, right?
Chris: Jace, yeah. Yeah.
ron: But we don't know what's going on with him. Not yet.
Chris: Nah, not yet. Mm-hmm.
ron: But then that's that's the other thing. is like Now, you're growing up without training.
Chris: Right, yeah, yeah, that's...
ron: right There's no one to guide you because Luke's gone.
Chris: Oh my god.
ron: the I wouldn't let Ray train my dog, let alone a Force user.
Chris: No, no.
ron: um
Chris: Yeah, because again, she has no training.
ron: So... Right. Yeah.
Chris: If only they had listened to the legends and, you know, how that was set up. and
ron: Right, right, right, right.
Chris: hu
ron: Yeah, they don't talk about...
Chris: Because, I mean, theyre um there's another one, Mara Jade, who, you know, wasn't brought up in it, but eventually develops into it.
ron: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: ha
ron: Yeah, well, you also lost the Solo twins.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
ron: But then, like, they don't talk about what happened to the rest of Luke's apprentices.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: there's a they they They exist. We don't know where they are
Chris: You're right. Yeah. Yeah.
ron: You know.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: But clearly, they didn't get very good training. Which, again, you wouldn't expect Luke to really be a good trainer.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: No.
ron: right The dude did not have the best... Yoda used him as a weapon. did not use him as a
Chris: Yeah.
ron: He was not an inheritor of the Jedi.
Chris: And.
ron: He was a weapon.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: And i mean, and so much of his training was from books and. Force interactions, stuff like that. It wasn't real training.
ron: Right. Yeah. here he yeah He's it. You know. clearly clearly not good at it
Chris: Yeah, because I mean, what Yoda taught him for month and a half, two months tops.
ron: you know
ron: Yeah, so it's like it's he got a little bit of training with Ben basically while they were fleeing the Empire.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: And he gets a little bit of training with Yoda.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Not long.
Chris: right yep
ron: And then he's basically in the open as the most powerful Jedi, quote unquote Jedi in the universe.
Chris: right yeah oh yeah yeah you think there was like some other jedi out there it's like i'm stronger than him i mean yeah right yeah
ron: That's got to screw you up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.
ron: Sure, I guess, but they're all hiding, right? And they all, us presumably, they're all either dead or they've, yeah, right, they're old and they're decrepit in their powers.
Chris: Old.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: but They cut themselves off from the Force so much that they they don't have the connection anymore.
Chris: Right. Yeah.
ron: but like the only assumption with the Cal Kestis arc is that Cal ends up just retiring and becoming a hermit.
Chris: Yeah, he's got to. And like you said, just cut himself off from the force so it's not there.
ron: Right.
ron: Right.
Chris: and then, yeah, if you cut yourself off from it, you don't have practice with it. So
ron: Yeah.
Chris: yeah.
ron: it's a it it it's It's a sucky thing because the Jedi are so terrible.
Chris: hu
ron: Because you would say, i would think you'd say, oh, I'd live in the High Republic.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Right?
Chris: Yeah. But like you said, it's just, yeah, I mean, you are, yeah, you're just a civil servant.
ron: it's a life of servitude.
ron: You're kidnapped as a child.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: You are brainwashed into believing that what you're doing is right and good. And you are taught someone else's moral code and and that moral code is enforced upon you with serious infractions to the point where you're beaten and you're no longer an and individual.
Chris: Right.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: Yeah, that's the Jedi.
Chris: And you're expected to pass that on to your apprentice.
ron: Right, you're expected to kidnap other children.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: When you become free of the training, it is your job to go out in the universe and kidnap other children and bring them in for brainwashing and beating.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: yeah
ron: It's not a good organization.
Chris: yeah and i mean guess i mean balancing all that probably old republic would be better
ron: Yeah. I guess the only thing you could say about that is that the rules are loosening up.
Chris: yeah yeah yeah but again then you have these like um huge threats out there like
ron: Right? I guess.
Chris: Revan and, or or you get stuff like Revan who it's like, oh, he's a bad guy.
ron: Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. the
Chris: He's a good guy. He's a bad guy. He's a good guy. Yeah.
ron: Right. yeah I always feel like weirdly the old Republic is just the mythology of the Jedi.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Right? Like none of it really happened. It's kind of like Zeus.
Chris: Yeah, I could see that.
ron: You know, it's it's just like these are stories that yeah, there was this guy Revan and then we just made up all these stories about him.
Chris: Yeah. Right.
ron: No.
Chris: Yeah, because i mean, at the end, Revan is, you know, like hundreds of years old and all kinds of craziness.
ron: Right. ah He's a maniac.
Chris: And yeah.
ron: Right. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: And all of the Darths are maniacs.
Chris: Well, yes.
ron: Yeah. But then like to me is that because the Jedi make them out to be maniacs because they have to have a bad guy for their whole philosophy to be a thing?
Chris: Hmm.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
Chris: Yeah. Hmm.
ron: You know, clearly Darth Sidious bad guy. Right?
Chris: Yeah.
ron: He's also raised in the story of them being the bad guys.
Chris: Right. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, I mean, think about that. If he wasn't, like if Plagueis wasn't isolated and, you know like you said, know, villainized, would that have made a different outcome?
ron: Yeah.
Chris: You know, would it, oh, here's this guy that can, you know, prolong life and, you know, things like that. Huh.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. yeah Instead of the Jedi immediately, you know, bad guy, say, you know.
ron: Well, you know, like you're you're meant to be sympathetic to Yoda, but then if you really...
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Think about it. Yoda's the cause of a lot of the problems. Right? Like, he ignores the Sith. He villainizes the Sith.
Chris: Yeah. Yep.
ron: He propagates the system. He purposely withholds things from Luke.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: Like, he's not a good dude.
Chris: Well, he he withheld things throughout his whole career.
ron: ah yeah whole time The whole time and he's on the council.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: he's He's supposedly the most sensitive force user in the universe, right?
Chris: Right.
ron: he
Chris: Yeah.
ron: He withholds from the council the rise of a Sith Lord.
Chris: Mm hmm.
ron: Which then leads to the rise of Darth Sidious and the whole thing coming down.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Mm hmm.
ron: Like, he's not a good dude, at this Yoda.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. And you know, the when Qui-Gon first encountered Maul, and he calls it, yeah.
ron: That should have been like, send it on reinforcements.
Chris: And oh, yeah, let's check this out. Let's see what's going on.
ron: Right.
Chris: Not, that ah, it's nothing. You imagined it.
ron: You kind of almost feel like they didn't care Qui-Gon dies.
Chris: there
ron: Because Qui-Gon's an outsider.
Chris: exactly Well, yeah, that's the thing. Qui-Gon was very
Chris: loose in his interpretation of the code and yeah yeah
ron: outspoken. Right.
ron: Yeah. And it's it's... He's very much left to just kind of hang. You know?
ron: Yeah. And then, like I said, I think Yoda's a bad guy. I don't think Yoda does good things.
ron: He confronts...
Chris: I think he just
ron: He confronts Dooku...
Chris: Yeah.
ron: can clearly win the fight and just gives up.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Right? Like, he preserves his life over protecting the Jedi Order. He flees from Sidious, right? In the, in the Council of Judges. He's not a good dude.
Chris: Yeah. yeah Yeah, because it's one thing if he fled to you know rally the troops and everything, but no, it was flee to just isolate and yeah.
ron: He flees and hides in the swamps and does nothing for 30 years, seemingly.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: While Vader then continues to kill all of his followers.
Chris: Right. God. Yeah. Hmm.
ron: You would think that Yoda could confront Vader, but no, he abandons everyone.
Chris: Huh.
Chris: Right. I mean, just his, yeah If he's that powerful, yeah, he should definitely be able to confront Vader and
ron: Yeah, like I mean, you get the impression that Obi-Wan beats Anakin, right?
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Obi-Wan at least is a match for Anakin.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Yoda is more powerful than Obi-Wan.
Chris: Right.
ron: Why aren't you confronting Vader? Why aren't you doing something other than hiding in a swamp and hoping that a teenage kid comes around to to fix all your mess up?
Chris: Yeah. yeah Yeah. Yeah. Oh, this baby was just born. I'm sure one of them will be able to take care of things. let's, let's just send them again. Let's send them off with no protection or not protection, but no, yeah. Training, no oversight. We'll just off they go.
ron: but and and you get That shows another side of the of the Jedi. right like They have no problem sending Luke to a desert harsh planet to become a weapon because they know his life will suck so much.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: right They have no problem doing that.
Chris: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
ron: at all it's like what are you guys are monsters they're monsters i think if if we were out of the republic we'd be fighting against it we would be sith
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. the yeah Yeah. Hmm.
Chris: Hmm.
Chris: Ruby Sith or gray.
ron: i mean but the jedi don't see that differentiation they almost forced you to be sith
Chris: ah Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. Yeah. It's what. What yeah, because you only a sith deals in absolutes and then it's the oh you're either good or bad it's like.
ron: Right.
Chris: you just
ron: You're either an emotionalist bastard or you're a Sith.
Chris: Yeah yeah.
ron: You can't be anything else.
Chris: ah Yeah. Right.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, which is it's amazing that Obi-Wan survived as long as he did.
ron: That's insane.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: Because he showed emotions.
ron: But you also get the impression that Obi-Wan, like Qui-Gon, is kind of on the outs.
Chris: Oh yeah I mean. I'm sure a lot of it was because of Qui-Gon's training and all. and But then he, I mean, you can tell, especially, you know, you watch the Clone Wars and everything. It's, yeah.
Chris: Obi-Wan definitely starts to question things a lot or as the time goes on. and And again, that's probably why they were just like, sure, yep. Go off to this desert plan planet, you maniac.
ron: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah, because you would think, yeah why wouldn't it be, know, Yoda, and obi-wan and the twins go off somewhere and try to rally the rest of the jedi and build their numbers back up so they could take the sith on if it's really that big of an issue
ron: You would think in a you know philosophy of sacrifice for others, right, that Obi-Wan and Yoda would team up to take on Vader.
ron: You would think that would happen.
Chris: yeah
ron: Instead, they allow Vader and the Emperor to corrupt Jedi Padawans and make them into Inquisitors.
Chris: Right.
ron: they know They allow them to hunt down, individually kill Jedi Masters who are not as strong as the two of them.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. And the whole, oh, we'll just go and isolate yourself and this and that. It's like, yeah, yep. Just go off by yourself so you can be picked off one by one.
ron: Right. Yeah. 100%. Just go hide.
Chris: We are setting you up for death. God.
ron: Right.
Chris: may i
ron: Yeah, I'm telling you. When you really think about this, it's like, it's trippy.
Chris: Sure. Yeah.
ron: The only good guys are the Rebellion.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: It's the non-Force users, right? It's the ones who actually rise up without this power to take on the Sith, basically.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: right great like It's basically like
Chris: yeah Look at him. Yeah, like maniacs like Han who, yeah.
ron: Right. It's guys like me, Han, who are like, I'm going go take on this Sith Lord who can kill people with their freaking thoughts, who could shoot lightning out of their damn fingertips.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wedge.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: yeah wedge Oh, you know, I don't have this superhuman, you know, force to guide me and pilot and everything. But you know what? I'm going to take rodes Rogue Squadron and make them the baddest bastards out there.
ron: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I... If I could be any Jedi, I would be Koran Horn because he gets to live the life and he's in the Rose Garden and, you know, but that's in Legends.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: We can't have that life. So you just... You're stuck with this crappy... This crappy other version.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: Which, which side tangent, have you watched the mall show?
ron: I have not yet watched the long show.
Chris: You got to watch that.
ron: you know I'm going to watch it all at once.
Chris: Well, it's all ready for you now.
ron: Nice.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So yeah.
ron: I saw little snippets and I was like, I gotta watch.
Chris: Yeah. Sam Witwer is just, yeah.
ron: Yeah, I gotta watch.
Chris: Great. Yeah. Yeah.
ron: It's ah the good stuff of Disney.
Chris: yeah Yeah, that's the thing. ah yeah Definitely.
ron: Yeah.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: yeah Which... update I hate Star Wars fans sometimes.
ron: oh they're the worst people in the world i'm going to interrupt through you and say they're worse because because they should be on my side right like we should all love to enjoy this thing and and be able to enjoy it but we can't
Chris: Yeah. Because it i don't know... yeah
Chris: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Right. Yeah. Like, i saw... which you know i'm don't know frustrated whatever but you shit happens so i saw that now in galaxy's edge they now have luke leia and han and they look very much legends version of them yeah but take that out of it but you know people are like oh would i do you know Luke's hair is too dark for Luke. And you know, oh, Han wasn't that tall. I was like, ah eat a dick, man. You know, these are people just trying to go out there and you know spread joy.
Chris: And yeah.
ron: Right. Yeah. Could you imagine when you were a kid...
Chris: Yeah.
ron: if you had the opportunity to go to Disneyland when we were children, right?
Chris: Yeah.
ron: And like, there was a, there was Luke, right? That wasn't a thing that we had the option.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Like I, it's, it's the side change to all this conversation.
Chris: No.
ron: I was thinking about it. The conversation conversation I was going to have today is like, which celebrity would you actually want to meet and actually sit down and talk to? And the only one I could come up with mark was Mark Hamill.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: o
ron: because it's such important, I, I, I so rarely don't care about celebrities, right?
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Right.
ron: I don't really give a crap about their opinions. I don't really even really care to meet them, but Mark Hamill would be the one, right?
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, because I feel like he's definitely like, yeah.
ron: Like, don't know.
Chris: down to earth huh yeah
ron: Yeah. And just how much of my childhood is he, you know, involved in, I mean, Harrison Ford probably be pretty cool, but I'm pretty sure he's baked.
ron: all of the time.
Chris: yeah yeah that's like and i thought yeah you think like schwarzenegger or somebody like that but i don't know he could be a little crazy
ron: You know?
ron: But...
ron: Yeah, I mean, it'd be fine to beat him.
Chris: Yeah, but I mean, like, I i now see some of these videos of, like, you know, when he used to go back to the gyms and stuff, just, you know the way some of his old gym buddies would react.
ron: Like...
Chris: And it's like, yeah, there had to be some kind of honest, you know, appreciation. and
ron: Yeah, but Mark Hamill, like, I would nerd boy out meeting Mark Hamill.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah.
ron: That would be tough for me.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: I'd be like oh, you know, let's not even talk about the Joker.
Chris: Yeah. yeah yeah
ron: You're Luke Skywalker, for God's sakes.
Chris: yeah yeah exactly Yeah, I mean, yeah. I would have to have a list of pre-written down things, and my wife would have to hand that to him, because I would just be
ron: Right.
ron: Right. Right. My wife made for me to meet you for five minutes, and I have cards I have to read. Yeah.
Chris: Oh, yeah. God.
ron: It'd be tough.
Chris: And now that you've ruined the Jedi for me. Nah, it's not just...
ron: Sorry. had to have
Chris: I know, but it's... Yeah, I mean, we've talked about this before, and it's... Yeah. I think, yeah... concept wise really cool. But then when you really get deep down and talk about it, they're not the best people,
ron: Right, well, you know, it's it's it's almost a philosophical lesson, right?
Chris: but it, yeah.
ron: Like, the ends don't justify the means, right?
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Because the end the end goal of the Jedi, supposedly, is order and peace.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Right.
ron: But when you cause such strife and resentment to do it, it's only going to end one way.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: hmm. Yeah. Well, that and if you're so rigid with things and so narrow minded in your focus.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, you've got to be more open.
ron: Everyone loses in the Clone Wars.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Everyone.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Except Garcidious.
Chris: Yeah, there's.
ron: But he gets thrown down
Chris: the I mean, eventually, but yeah, the Clone Wars itself.
ron: to Death Star.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: his ruin his his his life is ruined at the end of the Clone Wars. right like he's He's disfigured, he's maimed, and I'm sure he's in w racking pain.
Chris: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
ron: So everybody loses.
Chris: Probably.
ron: Think about all of the inc innocents that are killed because of the hubris of the Jedi.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
ron: all the children that are slaughtered because of the Jedi.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. yeah Can you imagine that? like yeah some There were probably kids who were just identified as Padawans.
ron: ah hundred percent 100%?
ron: That's the younglings.
Chris: Or as younglings. Yeah. it has you know Maybe one day of training.
ron: Yeah, they're stripped from their parents.
Chris: God. God.
ron: They're literally stripped from their parents, but pulled to the Jedi Temple, and then they're slaughtered by this maniac teenager.
Chris: yeah yeah yeah shoo wow
ron: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: It's the universe of the Jedi.
ron: Well, a depressing thought. You want to go to Topic? two
Chris: yeah well topic two probably be uh yeah this is a short one and yeah makes sense because we're almost an hour in um i i read something today that um
ron: Well, that's fair.
Chris: The new, not KOTOR, what is it? Photor whatever? Fate of the Old Republic?
ron: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Chris: It is being written and developed by some of the, what they call it?
Chris: The Platinum class of Bioware creators or something.
ron: So they they went to the archives, pulled them out of their little coffins and said, vampires, get back to RORC. We need you.
Chris: Yeah, pretty much. But I'm like, when I heard that, I mean, the premise and everything sounds amazing anyway, but I heard that I, I have more hope for that game now than I used to because of,
ron: Do you think it's because BioWare has stumbled so far?
Chris: Oh my gosh. Yeah.
ron: this is doesn't this this This feels a little bit like their last chance.
Chris: Oh yeah. I, I absolutely agree with that. Yeah. If Bioware cocks this up, then they're done, done.
ron: Yeah, I mean...
Chris: Cause I think they show have shown that, you know, um, Larian can definitely tell a damn good story and, you know, they can out Bioware So.
ron: Yeah, I mean, and just the last... When's the last biogame BioWare game you were like, oh, that's good.
ron: Not... I played it because it's i I enjoy BioWare or I support BioWare, but it was good.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Existurous Elisant Veilguard. Let's see. Let's go to their list. Games.
Chris: No, I want games in order.
ron: Sure as hell it wasn't the last Dragon Age.
Chris: No. god my God. That was such a disappointment.
ron: Anthem was...
Chris: That could have been so good.
ron: It could have been Skogood. It was Dead on Arrival.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: ah
Chris: Got the flying in that was great.
ron: I guess people liked Mass Effect Andromeda.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: I didn't get into Mass Effect very well.
Chris: I never played Andromeda. I played the first three.
ron: uh dragon age inquisition was i feel like that's where it went off the rails um
Chris: They were fine.
Chris: God, I mean, is it's. Yeah.
ron: you you gotta to go back to like the old republic yeah like mass effect
Chris: The Old Republic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The old Republican Dragon Age origins.
ron: Right, Mass Effect. People literally liked the first Mass Effect. Cool.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Dragon Age, awesome.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Star Wars No Republic, awesome.
Chris: But
ron: Since then? But then you look back, you got Knights of the Republic, Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate 2, you know, Baldur's Gate.
Chris: yeah, I mean, you so you figure that's.
Chris: Oh, gosh.
ron: You had such great games.
Chris: Yes. Yeah.
ron: And then they just i don't they just lost their way.
Chris: Yeah, they just they reached too far.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Like, they were worried about the wrong...
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Like, Dragon Age Inquisition felt more like they they saw everything good about Dragon Age and were like, yeah, but what if we just threw in some really annoying things, like, that you have to deal with all the time?
Chris: Oh, you mean like a healer that can't heal?
ron: Right, yeah. like Like, you just...
Chris: Yeah, makes sense.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. Oh, we also have, you this guy's in the fighter class, but he doesn't have arms.
ron: Right, yeah.
Chris: yeah that makes sense yeah yeah oh here's a rogue but he's not quiet oh yeah yep all these are tracking yeah okay dumb yeah yeah
ron: yeah
ron: Yeah. It was dumb. They just... And I mean, they haven't...
Chris: yeah yeah since what 2010 2011.
ron: Yeah.
Chris: oh
ron: Yeah, I'm looking through and it's like...
ron: but Well, three of their games got canceled.
Chris: yeah um yeah yeah yeah
ron: Then Dragon Age Inquisition, which I'm sure made them money. a And then Andromeda, I'm sure, limped along. But then Anthem was a huge flop. And Veilguard was a flop.
ron: um Yeah. It sucks. Yeah.
Chris: yeah it's yeah dragon age veil guard only sold just over a million copies yeah yeah oh wait no i'm sorry the count is actually less than that who was about 700 000 because of uh ea play they got it for free so 50 of their sales were ea play yeah yeah yeah i hope photore is good
ron: Right.
ron: Yeah, i hope. I want you to... I want Bioware to just...
Chris: Or just, or just, just remake KOTOR.
ron: Right. Yeah, just tell stories in the KOTOR universe.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: Let's do that.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Just pretty the graphics up some and yeah, let's go.
ron: Yeah. The problem now is like that style of game, I don't know if people will play it.
Chris: Yeah, but there's always, you know, those resurgences. So, yeah.
ron: um yeah There are, yeah.
Chris: Because I mean, right now that that's a niche that's not being hit at all.
ron: They could hit out of the park.
ron: Yeah, I mean, you had Baldur's Gate, and then that was it.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
ron: you know and it was which was
Chris: So.
ron: Which seems like such a crazy phenomenon that Baldur's Gate did that well, and then no one followed it up.
Chris: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
ron: seems Seems bonkers to me.
Chris: Yeah. I. i't know
ron: But yes, I hope FOTOR does well. I mean, I hope Bioware gets back to their roots, which is engaging storytelling.
Chris: Yeah. Yes.
ron: The story should drive the game. Like if I play a Bioware game, the story should drive the game.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: The mechanics should be secondary to the story.
Chris: Oh, yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: They should never get in the way.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. yeah i mean, 90% of the time, if I'm playing a game, it's because of the story.
ron: Right.
Chris: So, yeah. If I just want dumb action, I'll boot up something like Call a Duty or something. I don't know.
ron: Right, like and there's nothing wrong Call of Duty. When you just want to play dumb action and not think about the story, that's that that stuff exists already.
Chris: No, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
ron: you know
Chris: Yeah.
ron: oh That's not what a Bioware game is to me, right?
Chris: Yeah, no, no, no.
ron: Yeah. Now's the time do it because Grand Theft Auto 6 is never going to get released, so...
Chris: Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I heard something the other day. They're like, we're hoping that the base game can come in and ah Under the $100 point. It's like, good gosh.
ron: I mean, it's been in development for... Well, somebody posted something in one of the discords of the other day. They were talking about there was a Star Citizen alphat Alpha update.
ron: I'm like, that game is still in Alpha?
Chris: Really? Gosh.
ron: I feel like that game was announced and I was a rookie in the fire department and I'm about to retire before it gets released.
Chris: Yeah.
ron: yeah
Chris: Yeah, I mean. God. That.
ron: It's got to be over 10 years at this point that it's been announced, at least.
Chris: He was that originally.
Chris: Yes, star citizen announcement.
ron: Three presidents ago.
Chris: You. Oh, my gosh. October 10th, 2012. And it.
ron: Yeah. fourteen Almost 14 years ago. And it's still not out.
Chris: It was so it was supposed to be released. late 14 early 15. still in alpha development with a single player campaign squadron 42 targeting a 2026 launch and a full 1.0 release of 2027 or 2028 yeah it's not coming out golly day
ron: Which means 2029. Right. crazy. And... that's crazy
ron: that yeah and
Chris: there's somebody that's going to retire before the game comes out that start that was working on it yeah
ron: Yeah. Yeah, i could think about how many people have left that company while working on that project. The credits list is going to be, you know, three hours long.
ron: to finally finish the game. You're like, oh my god, the credits are still going. And it's like, yeah, well,
Chris: yeah yeah the campaign takes 20 hours
ron: yeah
ron: span three decades to get this game out.
Chris: What's this weird fuzziness in the background? Oh, that's a credits. They start playing when you, as soon as you start the game, because if not, it would never end.
ron: yeah It would never end. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Well, I'm going to go yeah question the Jedi ways.
ron: Well, buddy.
ron: question is Jedi. going to help with landscaping that I didn't want to do and somehow I'm still going to be involved with.
Chris: Oh, that sounds fun. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to cut some grass, I think. But ah yeah, have folks out there taking care, enjoying the spring weather when it comes around, and
ron: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, just being nice.
ron: And the don't force children into sleep slavery and servitude for life. That's not good.
Chris: Take care, folks.
