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Welcome back! This week, after the rigamarole (cognitive decline, calendars, maps, water), Ron wants to know when in the Star Wars timeline we would want to live; Chris thinks Fate of the Old Republic needs to nail things to keep Bioware alive. As always, please like, subscribe, and share with your friends. Come join the discussions on the Discord Channel (https://discord.gg/TbxA7gcUky) and follow us on BlueSky, @cltruitt22. Thanks and take care!
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Transcript
Introduction and Weather Talk
00:00:03
Chris
god I understand. Welcome back to the Mythic Giraffe Podcast. I'm Chris.
00:00:07
ron
ah um I'm wrong.
00:00:15
ron
That was about right.
00:00:16
Chris
Yeah. It's, yeah. Hey, it's a little bit warmer today.
00:00:22
ron
Is it? have an outside, really.
00:00:23
Chris
yeah Yeah, it is. It is.
00:00:25
ron
I...
00:00:25
Chris
It's better than the cold, drizzly 54 degrees it was yesterday.
00:00:31
ron
Oh, apparently it was gorgeous up here in my house. My wife was telling me how nice it was.
00:00:36
Chris
Oh, isn't that good for her?
00:00:36
ron
and start up I'm like, yeah, good for you. Thanks.
00:00:39
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:00:40
ron
Yeah. Yeah.
00:00:41
Chris
Yeah.
00:00:42
ron
Yeah.
00:00:43
Chris
Hoodies, although comfortable, do not really protect you from the rain.
00:00:47
ron
No. No. And I put my hoodies away because it's me.
00:00:50
Chris
Oh.
00:00:54
Chris
Oh.
00:00:54
ron
Yeah. So, you know, that sucks. Yeah.
00:00:58
Chris
Oh.
Ron's Scheduling Dilemmas
00:01:00
ron
I did it to myself again. i am a 46-year-old man who isn't... I'm really starting to worry about myself. I really think I have developed real cognitive decline.
00:01:08
Chris
Yeah.
00:01:14
ron
i I'm a 46-year-old man who cannot use a calendar. I just can't use a calendar. I get my... Well, I was bitching with you about it last year last week because I had made a doctor's appointment the day after work and I was freaking slanting it before and like just that sucked.
00:01:30
Chris
yeah
00:01:33
ron
And then I did it again this this morning. like um I got at work yesterday and I get my like a little text. Hey, you have a haircut at 930 in the morning. i like Why would I make my haircut for 930 in the morning? It takes me two hours to get out get home from work. I get off work at 7.
00:01:49
Chris
That's, that's, yeah, that's cutting it close.
00:01:52
ron
What kind of idiot does that to himself?
00:01:54
Chris
Yeah. And you, I mean, you, you do realize you work every fourth day.
00:01:58
ron
I know exactly what days I work from now until the day I retire. It's in my calendar. It repeats. I was staring at my calendar when I made the appointment.
00:02:08
Chris
Hmm.
00:02:09
ron
What is wrong with me? There's...
00:02:11
Chris
Well, I think what the question is, what is wrong with past Ron?
00:02:14
ron
yes password's a real asshole and he i don't i don't know like something must enter my oh it'll be fine and i'll get off work on time and rush right home and get my hair and that's what i had to do today was like um so i'm so dumb i don't know what i'm doing to myself
00:02:16
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:27
Chris
Yeah.
00:02:35
Chris
Well, I think it's the, think we do it a lot. We just, you know, oh well I have downtime. i can, you know, easily take care of x Y, and Z. But then when said downtime actually hits, it's like, i don't want to.
00:02:48
ron
Well, yeah, that too.
00:02:49
Chris
Yeah.
00:02:50
ron
and and I'm sure my brain was like, at the time, well, I don't want to have an appointment at 3 o'clock in the afternoon because then I'm like, my whole day's ruined.
00:02:50
Chris
It's.
00:02:56
Chris
Right. Yeah, yeah.
00:02:58
ron
But 9.30 in the morning, that's the math don't math.
00:03:05
Chris
I didn't know barbershops opened that early.
00:03:07
ron
not a barbershop. I go to still time.
00:03:09
Chris
Yeah, but still, I mean. Yeah.
00:03:11
ron
Yeah, they're open early. They close early on Friday, so they close at like 2 o'clock on Friday, so It's kind of like the fire department.
00:03:14
Chris
Oh, really? Huh.
00:03:19
ron
yeah They're all gone by too.
00:03:21
Chris
I didn't even come into work today, so.
00:03:22
ron
Yeah. Yeah.
Work, Plumbing, and Vacation Concerns
00:03:24
Chris
yeah Hey, I had to do some plumbing this morning.
00:03:24
ron
yeah
00:03:26
ron
Hey, look. We all got time.
00:03:30
Chris
Yeah.
00:03:31
ron
I'm taking...
00:03:31
Chris
Yeah.
00:03:33
ron
Two weeks off this month, I turn around and I did it to my go again.
00:03:37
Chris
Yeah. Why don't
00:03:39
ron
So I've got three shifts off starting. I work Monday and then I'm off for three. Then I come back for one or two. i think it's two. And then I'm off for four. What?
00:03:50
ron
Why did I do that to myself?
00:03:51
Chris
yeah i you just take those other two off?
00:03:53
ron
I don't know.
00:03:56
Chris
Yeah.
00:03:57
ron
I don't know what I'm doing. i i need this i need a life coach or something.
00:04:02
Chris
yeah
00:04:02
ron
i need to like hand over my schedule to someone be like, can you just don't let me make decisions because clearly I make bad decisions.
00:04:05
Chris
fix it hmm yeah yeah yeah well yeah because the first one is you're getting back into the rigmarole of work and all that and then the next one you're it's you know like just before summer break you know you're like yeah whatever
00:04:13
ron
I was going to be miserable. Those two shifts between would be terrible. I'm going to have to shave.
00:04:30
ron
Yeah.
00:04:32
Chris
Yeah.
00:04:32
ron
Inevitably, the shift before you go on a long vacation, you run your nuts off.
00:04:37
Chris
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:04:38
ron
Inevitably.
00:04:39
Chris
Yeah.
00:04:39
ron
and it's It's been building on D-shift. We haven't had one of those real bad days in a while.
00:04:45
Chris
Yeah.
00:04:45
ron
i
00:04:46
ron
I'm very worried about Monday, and then I'm very worried about June 4th.
00:04:46
Chris
Nah,
00:04:51
Chris
that it'll be next Friday.
00:04:53
ron
Well, good. I don't care if it happens next Friday. I won't be there.
00:04:58
Chris
Yeah. I mean, that is the Ides of May, so.
00:05:01
ron
Yeah, they're good.
00:05:02
Chris
see ye ah yeah yeah yeah why why why no
00:05:02
ron
F
00:05:06
ron
them. They said something there and they're like, wow, what's going on. I said, I don't care about that. not come up I'm off. Well, we'll check your email. No.
00:05:17
ron
No, no. No, we're not.
Phone Habits and AI Frustrations
00:05:20
Chris
no
00:05:20
ron
boom We take phone call. My beloved driver.
00:05:30
Chris
what did she do
00:05:30
ron
She... We have this volunteer riding with us. He's a nice enough fellow.
00:05:35
Chris
Yeah.
00:05:35
ron
He needed my phone number so he could call me and ask about something that happened while I wasn't even at work.
00:05:43
Chris
Oh.
00:05:44
ron
And I said, why did you give him my phone number? Well, he asked. I said, I wouldn't give him your phone number.
00:05:48
Chris
He asked.
00:05:49
ron
Why would you do that?
00:05:51
Chris
He asked. Yeah.
00:05:52
ron
And she's he's she's like, what, did you answer the phone when he called? I said, absolutely not. Answering the phone when an unknown number pops up. I don't answer phone when a known number pops up.
00:06:01
Chris
ah yeah Yeah, it's it's a 50-50 shot sometimes.
00:06:07
ron
It's a 50-50 shot if I have my phone on me.
00:06:09
Chris
Well, yeah. Yeah, so he said, I will leave my phone at my desk, and I'll go make a lap. And the other day, I did that, and you know somebody was like, oh, yeah.
00:06:16
ron
Yeah.
00:06:19
Chris
i was like, oh, just you know send me a text. They were like, well, just put down your phone. I was like, I don't have my phone on me. They were like, what do you mean? was like, what do you mean, what do you mean? I don't have my phone on me.
00:06:30
Chris
It's not that odd.
00:06:32
ron
Yeah, there's there's significant portions of my day where my phone is either upstairs or I'm out and about and no phone on me.
00:06:40
Chris
Yeah.
00:06:40
ron
The only time you can guarantee you why I'll have my phone on me is I'm at the gym and that's because listening of music.
00:06:44
Chris
Hmm. Yeah.
00:06:46
ron
That's it. That's the only promise I make about this stupid phone.
00:06:52
Chris
Well, now I guess it was one of the updates or something stupid Garmin phone disconnected, phone reconnected, phone disconnected, phone reconnect.
00:06:59
ron
Nice.
00:07:00
Chris
I'm like, dr I don't care.
00:07:03
ron
I tried to make a phone call today from my touch screen on my car.
00:07:08
Chris
Yeah.
00:07:09
ron
And I said, call this person.
00:07:12
Chris
Yeah.
00:07:13
ron
And then it says, hi, I'm Gemini, your AI assistant. I could teach you how to cant make phone calls. And I'm like, sit and it just kept going. I'm like, shut the fuck up.
00:07:20
Chris
yeah
00:07:22
ron
Shut the fuck up. I'm in my car screaming at my car to shut up.
00:07:27
Chris
See, this is why you need a Zune.
00:07:27
ron
It just...
00:07:28
Chris
You wouldn't done that.
00:07:29
ron
Yeah, I would be better off having a old school field telephone from World War II where I got to crank it my hand.
00:07:30
Chris
Ah.
00:07:36
ron
I was not happy. Sure, sure.
00:07:41
ron
<unk> not happy
00:07:41
Chris
Yeah, I well, that's like the Bluetooth in the Jeep is not the best. And I definitely don't have any fancy touchscreen or anything like that, but I guess it just doesn't understand me sometimes.
00:07:50
ron
sure sure
00:07:53
Chris
But the the other day I was like, you know, call mom home. So calling nine one. was like, no, no, no.
00:08:01
ron
ah oh god yeah it doesn't work none of it works nothing i nothing works anymore feel like it all worked for a good four years and it's all falling apart everything sucks you're not my ai assistant i don't have an ai assistant i don't want an ai assistant how about that i just want my phone to make a phone call
00:08:05
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. ah Yeah.
00:08:14
Chris
Yeah. It is.
Tech Reliance and Navigation Challenges
00:08:30
Chris
But phones do everything now. you imagine if kids had to go back to you know the flipflows flip phones and all? and Yeah.
00:08:38
ron
I don't think my shift could go 24 hours without their phone.
00:08:43
Chris
Really?
00:08:45
ron
No. And I know on C-shift, if you gave if you took a phone away from one person, that person would have seizures. Yes.
00:08:55
Chris
Wait, is it somebody on 1C?
00:08:57
ron
Yes.
00:08:58
Chris
Hmm.
00:08:59
ron
aha
00:08:59
Chris
Okay.
00:09:00
ron
If that person couldn't check out the CAD for three counties, we would have legitimately go into seizures.
00:09:03
Chris
Oh, yes! Oh! Yeah. yeah ah
00:09:13
ron
Yeah.
00:09:15
Chris
Yeah.
00:09:15
ron
And they'd like...
00:09:15
Chris
That'd be a good social experiment, though. You know, like, hey, guys, yeah this shift, we're going to you know kick it old school.
00:09:23
ron
Yeah, it'd be great until they got lost on every call and couldn't find anything.
00:09:30
Chris
Yeah, they have a, I would make sure they have map books.
00:09:34
ron
We'll get TomTom. We'll a TomTom for him. yeah i do now i i
00:09:39
Chris
God, I can see now that they get that dispatched to Parkside. Central, what's across street?
00:09:44
ron
they ah Legitimately, i would believe it. I think if you told them to go to 1109 South Shoemaker, they wouldn't know to get there.
00:09:55
ron
They bring their app up for everything.
00:09:57
Chris
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there are some of them. It's literally like, you know, they'll pull out of the engine bay and then they just sit there like, you know, a puppy. And it's like, what? It's like, they'll go left or right. I'm like, what do you mean left or right? yeah How do you not know this?
00:10:11
Chris
As the chauffeur, you should at least know your first like three or four turns.
00:10:11
ron
It's...
00:10:15
ron
They... i have noticed a big difference in my career now is that is not even a bandwidth in their heads. Like, they just... There's no way.
00:10:29
ron
Where, like, i can... I'm not going to say i know every street in the city of Salisbury. But I bet you gave me an 80%...
00:10:39
Chris
Yeah.
00:10:39
ron
chance I'd find at least the general area of almost every street.
00:10:44
Chris
yeah. Yeah.
00:10:44
ron
You know, I'd be like, okay, it's all auto-functioning city road, you turn left and it's going to be over there.
00:10:49
Chris
Yeah.
00:10:50
ron
You know, like, go.
00:10:50
Chris
It's like, oh, that's that's over with the the the bodies of water and the lakes. That's over by the generals.
00:10:55
ron
Right. Right.
00:10:57
Chris
That's by the states.
00:10:59
ron
I could get you to within like a cross street of it.
00:11:00
Chris
Yeah.
00:11:02
ron
Almost every street in the city.
00:11:03
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:05
ron
I think some of these people couldn't get that to the firehouse if they didn't have a
00:11:07
Chris
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I remember there was one newer person. I was like, oh, yeah. there yeah The call got dispatched. I was oh, it's over past the reservation. I'm like, what's the reservation? What?
00:11:18
Chris
what what but what What do you mean, what's the reservation?
00:11:22
ron
yeah and it's it's weird because like i'll do training with them all the time i'm like all right we're gonna we're gonna map out x neighborhood right we're just gonna do we'll do we like the old maps like we used to do where we fill in the maps and they just they don't retain it and it's active i think it's just because they don't have to
00:11:30
Chris
Yeah.
00:11:34
Chris
Yeah.
00:11:37
Chris
Yeah.
00:11:40
Chris
Yeah, yeah. I wonder if part of it also, though, is, I mean, kids don't really just ride around now.
00:11:47
ron
Yeah, totally. Would you at $4.50 gallon?
00:11:48
Chris
So. Yeah,
00:11:49
ron
Yeah. to fair, that's
00:11:51
Chris
yeah yeah, it's true. It's true. But yeah, it's it is boggling how, you they just don't know. And like, you're like, oh, it's on the north side of town.
00:12:04
Chris
And you see like the gears spinning. It's like north. Yeah, well, highways that have even numbers go east-west.
00:12:09
ron
to be fair
00:12:14
Chris
Odd numbers go north-south.
00:12:14
ron
that's
00:12:16
ron
To be fair, the city of Salisbury is laid out like a crackhead's dream.
00:12:20
Chris
Well, yes, but...
00:12:21
ron
I don't know what went wrong with your town. don't understand. I don't know who made the decision to keep Division Street as the same name for 12 different streets.
00:12:34
Chris
Yeah.
00:12:34
ron
I just...
00:12:36
Chris
or Main Street that turns to Fitzwater that turns to Parsons that then turns back and yeah.
00:12:38
ron
Yeah.
00:12:41
ron
Yeah, it's bonkers.
00:12:44
Chris
Yeah. Or that there's, oh, Johnson.
00:12:44
ron
Yeah.
00:12:47
Chris
Are you going to Johnson Street, Johnson Drive or Johnson way
00:12:50
ron
Yeah.
Unusual Scents and Peculiar Practices
00:12:51
ron
Yeah.
00:12:51
Chris
or something?
00:12:51
Chris
Yeah.
00:12:51
ron
Yeah.
00:12:52
Chris
know Johnson road. It's like, what the hell?
00:12:53
ron
Nope. Nope.
00:12:54
Chris
And of course they are not anywhere near each other. Yeah.
00:12:57
ron
Nope. to to the
00:12:59
Chris
But then you have Upland. You have Upland Terrace that's off of East Upland Drive, just off of North Upland Drive, which is past an Upland Circle. And it's like, if that's another one, it's like, you're dumb.
00:13:10
ron
I challenge you to find any dumber intersection in the city of Salisbury and or in almost any town in the USA as Marquis Avenue and Marquis Avenue.
00:13:20
Chris
Yes. Yeah.
00:13:22
ron
How that...
00:13:23
Chris
Yep.
00:13:24
ron
There feels like there needs to be like a guy who's in charge of the map. It was like, nope, one no no, no, You can't have cross streets with the same street name.
00:13:27
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:31
ron
That's not...
00:13:33
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:35
ron
this That's not good. You remember like back when they used to give you cross streets, you see Central, can you make a cross street? And they'd give you some road and you're like, all right, Central, can we go one cross street further?
00:13:46
ron
Because I have no idea what you're talking about.
00:13:46
Chris
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:49
ron
Because it'd be like steeplechase and they'd be like, oh, it's off ah Bridal Road. Cool, Central. It's three o'clock the morning. My brain is not working. I need something better than that.
00:13:59
Chris
Yeah. Yeah, or yeah, they they would give the street or whatever, you're part of like, I know exactly where I'm going.
00:14:01
ron
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:07
Chris
And hell bent for glory. And then all of a sudden, they would, maybe I don't know where I'm going. which what What do you mean?
00:14:15
ron
Yeah. Such a thing about Patriot.
00:14:17
Chris
ah There was one night we drove all around would Woodland Road down off of Riverside. And we were supposed to go to Woodland, which is, know,
00:14:30
Chris
Back off of Isabella, or past Isabella Street. Uh-huh.
00:14:33
ron
Whoops.
00:14:34
Chris
Yeah. Or Tony Tank Village, and we're yeah at Tony Tank Lane.
00:14:35
ron
Yeah.
00:14:39
ron
You know what really messes with my brain? You have North Park, South Park, and then isn't it Park View, which is off Isabella?
00:14:49
Chris
Yeah. Yeah, Parkview Court off Isabella Street.
00:14:54
ron
No.
00:14:54
Chris
Yeah.
00:14:55
ron
The park's not over there.
00:14:56
Chris
Yeah. No.
00:14:57
ron
we' Stop it.
00:14:58
Chris
Yeah.
00:14:59
ron
Yeah.
00:14:59
Chris
What's Camden Court?
00:15:02
ron
Yeah, okay.
00:15:03
Chris
You've got Camden Avenue, Camden Street, Camden Court, and they were like, you know, a mile apart each.
00:15:05
ron
Okay.
00:15:08
Chris
It's like, no, why? No, no.
00:15:11
ron
Yeah, yeah. There's no way charge the map for that site of that city. I almost, I was so in awe.
00:15:16
Chris
Well, now you're going to have, what it, Isolin Way or whatever?
00:15:19
ron
yeah is that how you say it? I don't even know. I'm going to say this.
00:15:21
Chris
i don't know. it's It's probably pronounced Joe or something.
00:15:25
ron
It's got too many vowels for me to care.
00:15:28
Chris
Yeah.
00:15:28
ron
Once a word has more than three vowels, it is past... well um Speak of this, so my rookie. We were just sitting around, check you know, messing around this morning, and I i always say, yeah that's, a you know, Garrett Jobob.
00:15:46
ron
I make a middle name him, and he's like, you'll never guess my middle name.
00:15:46
Chris
yeah
00:15:48
ron
and i was like, all right, let's let's play the game. I says, does it start with a consonant or a vowel? And he says, well, it doesn't start with a vowel. I'm like... Are you trying to mean that it's a Y because sometimes vowel, not a consonant? Or are you trying to say it's a consonant? Just answer the question. It's not a game of bluff here, Jackass.
00:16:07
Chris
he was trying to catch you. Yeah.
00:16:09
ron
Yeah.
00:16:11
ron
His middle name is crazy.
00:16:13
Chris
um yeah
00:16:15
ron
It's not even a word. like he He literally said he didn't know how to spell his middle name for like most of his life.
00:16:24
Chris
Oh my gosh.
00:16:25
ron
It's because it's a hardcore German name. It's like, whoa.
00:16:28
Chris
Oh, gotcha.
00:16:29
ron
yeah
00:16:31
Chris
Das Flughafen.
00:16:32
ron
Yep. 100%. ah hundred percent
00:16:37
Chris
Yeah. Oh, peaches.
00:16:39
ron
Oh, this is weird. This is my brain is weird. So I very rarely, i went to the gym after my haircut this morning, you know, I haven't been home yet. So i'm like, why do I go pee?
00:16:51
ron
I've never, don't think i've ever been in that bathroom, which have two problems with this bathroom in the gym.
00:16:54
Chris
In the gym. Okay.
00:16:58
ron
So use the, no, I wear my gym clothes to the gym.
00:16:58
Chris
Isn't that where you get changed?
00:17:02
ron
I wear my gym clothes out of the gym.
00:17:04
Chris
Okay.
00:17:05
ron
Why don't you change at the gym?
00:17:07
Chris
I don't know.
00:17:07
ron
I'm not a 60-year-old man showing my balls yet.
00:17:12
ron
anyways, go in there and went to use the urinal and whatever cleaning product they used had the smell of peaches, which just struck me as very odd.
00:17:22
Chris
Oh.
00:17:27
Chris
Yeah.
00:17:27
ron
I don't know... It's not wrong, but it felt wrong.
00:17:31
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:32
ron
Like, I don't consider peaches a clean fruit. Everybody knows...
00:17:36
Chris
Remember, we used to have that peach spray for the ambulances.
00:17:39
ron
I don't remember that.
00:17:40
Chris
You don't remember that? Oh, yeah. It was also you would just run some horrible trauma, somebody vomit in the back or whatever. It's like, oh, now it smells like somebody threw up peaches.
00:17:49
ron
Yeah, that doesn't sound good either.
00:17:50
Chris
No.
00:17:50
ron
Like, that's not the clean fruits, right?
00:17:51
Chris
oh
00:17:52
ron
The clean fruits are easy. It's orange, lemon, and lime, right?
00:17:54
Chris
Yeah, it's citrus. Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:56
ron
It's not peaches.
00:17:58
Chris
yeah well i mean at work we've got cucumber melon the urinal cake the air grid things you don't they have uh quite large smell and it says right on it cucumber melon and the hand soap is cucumber melon
00:18:03
ron
What do you have with cucumber melon?
00:18:07
ron
Well, I never taste them.
00:18:17
ron
No, it's not. It's just unflavored. You guys have that. that
00:18:21
Chris
no folks
00:18:21
ron
Folks. Folks. Folks. This right here is the ivory tower. The guy that they pay to wash their hands and dry their hands is using cucumber melon soaps.
00:18:37
Chris
we don't have a guy that does that had to let him go
00:18:38
ron
we We're out there in the trenches using unscented foaming crap ass soap with the worst paper towels in the world.
00:18:49
Chris
gosh the paper towels wouldn't be as bad if they were the right size dispenser yeah
00:18:50
ron
These guys are... guys
00:18:54
ron
That's also a problem. That's fair.
00:18:59
ron
ah feel like to save $1.50 a case, we use 10,000 times more paper towels because they always come in in clumps.
00:19:07
Chris
Yeah.
00:19:07
ron
It's like, oh, I want one paper towel. Well, there's 12. I want one paper towel.
00:19:10
Chris
Yeah.
00:19:11
ron
Well, there's half of one. It's bitches.
00:19:12
Chris
yes Yeah. It's either half or five.
00:19:15
ron
Yeah.
00:19:15
Chris
There's no.
00:19:17
ron
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:18
Chris
Yeah.
00:19:19
ron
Cucumber, melon, soaps, and garital cakes.
00:19:22
Chris
I. That's what's in those. That's what's in the Hilliard soap dispensers.
00:19:27
ron
um with a billiard so such was fa did not eat ah
00:19:30
Chris
That's what you guys have out there.
00:19:30
ron
We are using generic government knockoff from World War of Sub-Subsidization 1.
00:19:39
Chris
it's just SOP with like a line over the O yeah
00:19:42
ron
Yeah, it's yeah. And the S is like the backwards, like, ah know, Cyrillic S. Where'd you get the S-O-P-A-Z-O-M?
00:19:54
ron
It only turns when I use it, but it must be working because my hands feel so new.
00:19:58
Chris
yeah
00:20:03
Chris
What's like that stupid degreaser rehab at work? If you get that on your hands, it superifies your hands. Yeah.
00:20:11
ron
yeah.
00:20:11
Chris
Yeah.
00:20:11
ron
yeah
00:20:14
ron
speaking can Speaking of maniacs in charge of things that work.
00:20:19
ron
we We went to a bullshit brush fire like couple of years ago and the maniac in chief came out and brought the tanker with us.
00:20:25
Chris
Okay.
00:20:30
Chris
Yeah.
00:20:31
ron
And he's like, he went to my driver and said, just put some less oil in the tank.
00:20:34
Chris
Mm-hmm.
00:20:36
ron
It makes the water wetter. And my driver said, what the fuck are you talking about?
00:20:47
ron
And then she came up to me later and she's like, he told me to put less oil in the tank. I said, I don't know where this crazy thing came from, but these old heads believe that less oil makes water wetter.
00:21:04
ron
and at point
00:21:04
Chris
It does. breaks the surface tension so it absorbs faster.
00:21:08
ron
And that has what to do with putting brush fires out?
00:21:11
Chris
Because it soaks in.
00:21:12
ron
Oh, and the science behind that is what?
00:21:16
Chris
it that Surface tension.
00:21:19
ron
and then And then he said,
00:21:20
Chris
yeah i i have literally heard people go ahead and when you get here, we're going need you to use the wet water.
00:21:26
ron
ahhu yeah i've i've heard this I told her the same thing.
00:21:26
Chris
ah
00:21:29
ron
said, these old head maniacs think this is a real thing. And then he said, well, yeah, and it's it's good for the valves. It lubricates the valves. And I'm like, It doesn't. It doesn't because it's a soap.
00:21:42
ron
Soap breaks down lubricants.
00:21:45
Chris
Yeah.
00:21:45
ron
So whatever valve lubricant that it would get involved in, it would break it down. it would actually be damaging lubrication of the valves. 100%.
00:21:53
ron
100%
00:21:53
Chris
Well, remember, we also had a lieutenant who covered himself in lust oil
00:21:57
ron
did. But he... hundred percent did
00:21:59
Chris
ah to to show how decon works.
00:22:00
ron
but she
00:22:03
ron
Yep, 100%. But he looked at me like the dona yeah his Boy Scout, Cub Scout swim trunks they're not did not cover anything that we needed covered.
00:22:04
Chris
Wearing a pair of swim trunks that he wore probably when he was in fourth grade.
00:22:14
ron
That's for sure. Yeah.
00:22:15
Chris
Yeah, this man was a solid, yeah, 300 and was wearing something that was like, i don't know, 8T.
00:22:23
ron
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:28
Chris
ah Well, did you use the wet water? I'd
00:22:30
ron
No, because we don't have less oil. We haven't had less oil on the engines in probably 10 years. No,
00:22:34
Chris
say four. God. i'd say four
00:22:39
ron
um it's been more than four years, Rob.
00:22:41
Chris
a
00:22:42
ron
Well, that my driver's been there seven years, and we haven't had that on the engines in seven years.
00:22:46
Chris
Yeah.
00:22:47
ron
so
00:22:48
Chris
Yeah. God. Yeah. Maybe that's... We'll bring it back.
00:22:53
ron
Well, that's what he said. He's like, well, I'm going to have to make sure we send a case out to the stations.
00:22:59
Chris
it's brush season.
00:23:00
ron
And I was like, what are we doing? this is This is another one of those things that just people say it's based on no science.
00:23:09
Chris
Yeah.
00:23:10
ron
Nothing. All it does is it makes the water bubbly so you can see the bubbles. It's not not foam.
00:23:23
ron
its
00:23:23
Chris
Well, no, it's one step down from foam.
00:23:25
ron
No, no, no. It's it's just soapy water. It'd be the same as putting dish soap in your goddamn engine.
00:23:35
ron
Yeah. That was my conversation.
00:23:38
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:39
ron
He was like, well, i like ah I like the smell when it comes out of the nozzle. I'm like, okay, well, it's fair. i can't I can't argue with that one. I do like the smell.
00:23:46
Chris
Les Doyle used to use less toil's historic historical ad campaign was less toil we make water wetter
00:23:54
ron
does It doesn't... They used to say Marlboros made you a better man. What are you talking about?
00:24:02
Chris
i'm just saying they yeah actually used to say it in their marketing oh that's epic because i told you it breaks it's it breaks down the surface tension so it allows it to be absorbed
00:24:05
ron
Right.
00:24:08
ron
Please explain to me the science of making water. Uh-huh.
00:24:17
ron
By what?
00:24:19
Chris
Because there's no surface tension holding the droplets of water together. So then for they disperse.
00:24:25
ron
So when I pour water on mulch, you're saying the surface tension creates a puddle that doesn't get absorbed by the mulch.
00:24:29
Chris
Yes.
00:24:36
Chris
Correct.
00:24:37
ron
And you've seen this for now you've seen this phenomenon happen many times in your life?
00:24:37
Chris
Not as well.
00:24:42
Chris
You have seen dew, haven't you? That's a little droplet of water on because it has it has surface tension. You break that surface tension, it's absorbed to the...
00:24:49
ron
Yeah, but I didn't pump it out of an engine at 58 PSI. What are you talking about? it didn't come out of a fog nozzle. you
00:25:01
ron
The surface tension of dew is microscopic.
00:25:08
Chris
Look, I'm just going by what the good people at Les Doyle say.
00:25:10
ron
Oh, yeah, exactly. i heard in 1977, it doesn't what you do. And that's just something we keep passing on for no reason.
00:25:20
Chris
ah
00:25:21
ron
you know You know who says this kind of stuff? The people who believe that are otters in the goddamn Powellville pond. Y'all are on drugs. Oh,
00:25:31
Chris
I bet there are otters out there.
00:25:32
ron
see? See?
00:25:34
Chris
Why wouldn't there be
00:25:36
ron
I've never seen an otter out in Powellville.
00:25:39
Chris
How much time have you spent in Powellville?
00:25:42
ron
I vacation there frequently.
00:25:44
Chris
Vacation there. There's a lovely little B&B.
00:25:48
ron
Yeah, there's lovely Airbnb right there in the town.
00:25:50
Chris
God, you know, they used to blow the fire siren every day so that chickens would get used to it.
00:25:55
ron
No, I did not know that was a thing.
00:25:56
Chris
Yes, yes.
00:25:58
ron
I believe it, but I don't. i don't
00:26:00
Chris
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like one of the first shifts I, it was one of the first shifts I worked down there.
00:26:02
ron
How would the chickens...
00:26:05
Chris
I was like, we have a call and they're like, nah, it's just the let the chickens know. I'm like, let the chickens know what?
00:26:12
ron
They're going to die in three weeks? Mm-hmm.
00:26:13
Chris
yeah, I, yeah, I don't, I don't know. It's one of those, I'm sure the chickens never really got used to it. It was just, again, was one of those, You know, old man Johnson said this is good for him.
00:26:24
Chris
Yeah. Ever since we blew the fire siren, it's probably one of those things. The siren blew one time and like the chick, you know, they had a super abundance of eggs the next day. those maniacs are probably like, oh, the fire siren causes more eggs. Not it scared the eggs out of them.
00:26:41
ron
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:43
Chris
ah
00:26:44
ron
and Then they put blood Lester on all their brush fires.
00:26:47
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:48
ron
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:52
ron
Bonkers old people. Crazy Eastern Shore people with their myths.
00:26:57
Chris
Oh gosh. What's like your, the guy riding with you yesterday. I thought he was like taking offense when I didn't know whoever his wife was or whatever.
00:27:10
ron
Yeah. Well, you're from the same town as 12 people. So we assume, we all assume that y'll they you all bathed in the pickle factory.
00:27:15
Chris
and some. Thank you.
00:27:21
Chris
did not bathe in the pickle factories, the vats.
00:27:23
ron
Well, it's Wednesday at three, the Truits get their time in the pickle. right
00:27:32
ron
Don't look, cause the little one's real shy when he takes his overalls off.
00:27:41
Chris
Does anybody wear over bib overalls anymore?
00:27:45
ron
in in In my experience and in real life, no. I'm sure in your experience in real life, quite possibly.
00:27:52
Chris
i mean, like toddlers wear them, but
00:27:55
ron
Sure, sure.
00:27:56
Chris
Yeah, like grownups, I mean, maybe like if you're going skiing or something.
00:28:03
Chris
Like ski bibs or if you're if you're going hunting, but.
00:28:03
ron
Yeah, yeah. yes Yeah, that's a different...
00:28:08
ron
Yeah, because, know, the deer...
00:28:09
Chris
Yeah, just like.
00:28:12
ron
Can't see.
00:28:12
Chris
guess it's layering that keeps you warm.
00:28:12
ron
yeah i don't Oh.
00:28:16
Chris
Yeah, I don't know if the last time, you know, somebody just, you know, time to go out. Let me get my good overalls on.
00:28:24
ron
Well, if that person did go out, I'm sure that person went to Dayton's.
00:28:29
Chris
Is that where you guys ended up yesterday?
00:28:31
ron
No, no, no. We went to we went to Greek Pita, actually.
00:28:34
Chris
oh yeah.
00:28:35
ron
so Because I kept looking, going, none of these places are good as Greek Pita. I'm just to have a and nice falafel sandwich.
00:28:39
Chris
ah Yeah. Oh, God. I wish they made their falafels just a little bit smaller, though.
00:28:45
ron
Yeah, they're a little too big for the sandwich. It's like, it's it's too messy.
00:28:48
Chris
Yeah. I'll talk to the guy the next time I'm in there.
00:28:52
ron
Yeah. It's too messy because everything falls out.
00:28:55
Chris
Yeah.
00:28:55
ron
It's still delicious. but
00:28:56
Chris
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:57
ron
And if I'm getting the fries, give me a little side of tzatziki.
00:29:03
Chris
yeah they will you just gotta ask them wow
00:29:04
ron
You know, just a little. I don't want to ask.
00:29:12
ron
Ketchup sucks, and tzatziki's better.
00:29:13
Chris
well yeah yeah that's like the feta fries people are like oh you're not gonna get feta fries i'm like that's a whole meal all on its own now if they were sweet potato fries
00:29:19
ron
Yeah, I don't want... Look, fries already bad for me. I know and i don't need worse or fries for me. Yeah. yeah
00:29:35
ron
I'm not entertaining this conversation.
00:29:36
Chris
Yeah, know. Well, I guess we'll move on to topic one.
00:29:41
ron
All right, topic one. This is going back to our old school nerd roots.
00:29:46
Chris
Hmm.
00:29:48
ron
So...
Star Wars Universe Reflections
00:29:50
ron
You have to live in the Star Wars universe.
00:29:53
Chris
Mm-hmm.
00:29:55
ron
You get to choose the time of the Star Wars universe you live in.
00:29:57
Chris
Hmm.
00:30:00
ron
That is currently...
00:30:01
Chris
Oh.
00:30:03
ron
So, like, you can't pick, like... Well, I guess you could pick High Republic. But there's a dangerous front with that. you got to pick, you know, one of the main eras to live through.
00:30:18
ron
You know can't pick like way before the Sith world where nobody had has anything else.
00:30:22
Chris
yeah yeah I mean yeah
00:30:24
ron
I was thinking about which would you pick. It's tough.
00:30:31
ron
And I'm going to throw another caveat on you. You're a Force user.
00:30:35
Chris
oh yeah that that definitely yeah because if you're in like recent you know, the trilogy, then you're persecuted and you're isolated.
00:30:55
ron
yeah If you're in the New Order time, that sucked.
00:30:58
Chris
Yeah. mean, old Republic, you're at war.
00:30:59
ron
If you're in the the the old Republic, you're war. If you're in the High Republic, you're forced to become a Jedi.
00:31:09
Chris
Yeah.
00:31:09
ron
And that sucks.
00:31:11
Chris
Yeah. yeah Yeah. the i mean Pre-Clone Wars. I guess that would probably be around the best, right? Like before the prequels, but yeah, then you're, you're, yeah.
00:31:22
ron
Well, but then you get for
00:31:26
Chris
You're just running around being yeah.
00:31:26
ron
you're you're getting pulled you get pulled to be the padawan you have to go through that terrible life of being a padawan as soon as you find out you're a force user your life sucks in the republic because they're stripping you away from your family and then they got you know can't have emotions can't have human relationships
00:31:29
Chris
Yeah.
00:31:32
Chris
Yeah.
00:31:38
Chris
Yeah. Well,
00:31:42
Chris
yeah
00:31:47
Chris
well i mean that's the thing if you're yeah if you find out you're a ford well they find out you're a force user very young or then you've got it's oh you're too old so you're just like you know billy the special kid yeah
00:31:58
ron
Right, right, yeah.
00:32:02
ron
I...
00:32:02
Chris
god the more the more you talk about it the more the jedi just yeah
00:32:07
ron
They suck!
00:32:09
Chris
yeah
00:32:11
ron
Yeah, they... It's good that the Jedi died out.
00:32:19
ron
Yeah.
00:32:20
Chris
Yeah, because the new order of Force users were so well thought through. Oh, wait, no.
00:32:28
ron
Well, I had to be careful on this because if if I allowed you to pick Legends, like, there would be...
00:32:29
Chris
hu
00:32:37
Chris
Yeah, that's a thing. I mean, Legends is a whole different ballgame.
00:32:39
ron
right Like, right after the Emperor dies till the start of the Zong War whatever that was, like, that would be cool.
00:32:42
Chris
Oh my gosh, yes.
00:32:47
Chris
Yeah.
00:32:49
Chris
yeah but that's but why not isn't it though got to wait but the way they're making stuff right now it seems like they're trying to wrap that back in yeah
00:32:51
ron
But that's gone to us. We can't pick that time. Because it's not canon.
00:32:57
ron
It's not canon. They've... they've
00:33:05
ron
Well, good, because some of my favorite characters are out of that time, so I really would love them to bring them back.
00:33:09
Chris
yeah
00:33:09
ron
But, like, the best Jedi, or... <unk> It's not really hard to call them Jedi. The best Force user that's not one of the main characters is Korin Horn to me, right? Like, he still gets to live his life.
00:33:22
Chris
Yeah.
00:33:23
ron
He's a Force user. He's doing cool, correcting the world universe stuff, but he doesn't live all the Jedi bullshit rules. But that's not in Legends.
00:33:32
Chris
Yeah.
00:33:32
ron
so That's Legends. We can't have that in our discussion.
00:33:33
Chris
Yeah, that's legends. Yeah.
00:33:37
ron
You don't want to live in the High Republic.
00:33:39
Chris
Right. Yeah. And you're just.
00:33:40
ron
Because of you're just being forced into a like a lifetime of servitude to the Jedi Order.
00:33:47
Chris
Yeah.
00:33:47
ron
And like...
00:33:48
Chris
Yeah. I mean, because what the the High Republic was the whole but for light and life.
00:33:53
ron
Yeah.
00:33:54
Chris
I mean, that's that's it.
00:33:58
ron
For the rest of your life, you have zero...
00:33:58
Chris
Yeah.
00:34:01
ron
You have zero agency, right?
00:34:01
Chris
Yeah.
00:34:02
ron
like
00:34:03
Chris
Yeah. Because
00:34:03
ron
The best you can hope is I guess you...
00:34:06
Chris
you get a decent Padawan.
00:34:08
ron
Right, well, like I guess you become a master and that's your best and you get freedom. like You get the quickk the to be at least away from the council.
00:34:13
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:17
Chris
Yeah, but that was a it's not really freedom, though, because you're still just doing whatever they tell you to do.
00:34:22
ron
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:22
Chris
um
00:34:24
ron
But that's the best... case because You don't want to be a Temple Guardian.
00:34:27
Chris
Yeah. Oh my gosh, no.
00:34:28
ron
that's tough oh That's terrible.
00:34:30
Chris
Yeah.
00:34:31
ron
right like You don't want to be on the Jedi Council.
00:34:32
Chris
mean, you get really cool armor, but...
00:34:34
ron
You do get really cool armor.
00:34:35
Chris
Yeah.
00:34:36
ron
But you don't be Jedi Council.
00:34:38
Chris
Yeah.
00:34:38
ron
like That would suck.
00:34:41
Chris
Yeah.
00:34:45
ron
And then the Clone Wars, like, you're going to war, whether you like it or not, after having this life of servitude.
00:34:48
Chris
Yeah. Right.
00:34:53
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:54
ron
If you are a Padawan in the Clone Wars, you're either going to die a Padawan or you're going to be hunted down and killed by Vader, the most scariest person in bad-ass...
00:34:58
Chris
m
00:35:01
Chris
Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
00:35:04
ron
Right? Like, that's bad.
00:35:05
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. And I mean, if it's, you know at the beginning of it, you're not even probably going to, as a Padawan, you're not going to finish your training. They're going to say, Oh, look, you know It's bad times. You're now at congratulations. You're a knight.
00:35:21
Chris
Go.
00:35:22
ron
Right. Mm-hmm.
00:35:23
Chris
and here's a small battalion of clone troopers that you have to lead.
00:35:28
ron
Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:35:29
Chris
Golly day.
00:35:30
ron
And there's a good chance, you know, your master's already been killed, and going to die too.
00:35:33
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:36
ron
yeah Again, in a war that you have nothing to do with, and you have no agency at all.
00:35:36
Chris
Yeah.
00:35:38
Chris
Right. Right. yeah yeah
00:35:43
ron
and so was I was thinking about this, i was like, this this is a sucky time.
00:35:45
Chris
yeah
00:35:46
ron
guess...
00:35:49
ron
guess
00:35:52
ron
There had to be Force users who were born, well, there we know there are in Legends, but even in the canon, there has to be Force users who are just born living out their lives right now, right?
00:35:57
Chris
Yeah, right.
00:36:02
ron
Like in the New Order time.
00:36:02
Chris
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there are times, there are areas that, yeah, the Republic just didn't have its fingers in and didn't really know about. Yeah.
00:36:13
ron
Right. Yeah, but you don't really hear about, I guess there was like one Force user there that was Chiss, right?
00:36:22
ron
I don't think you hear a lot a lot of the Chiss being Force users.
00:36:25
Chris
No. I mean... Oh, my...
00:36:31
ron
And you and I are screwed if we we're born on Dathomir.
00:36:34
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. That's... Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:35
ron
That's not good for us. We have the wrong equipment for that that particular sect of people.
00:36:41
Chris
yeah
00:36:42
ron
a
00:36:42
Chris
that's yeah
00:36:44
ron
Yeah. but You know, I guess like the best you can hope is you're born and you just live as a hermit. You know? Like, Obi-Wan has like the worst arc.
00:36:53
Chris
yeah um
00:36:56
ron
That dude never gets to live his life. Ever.
00:37:00
Chris
Yeah. Huh.
00:37:05
Chris
Chiss force users or force sensitives known as skywalkers or users of the site are exceed exceedingly rare, exclusively female, and generally lose their abilities by adulthood.
00:37:18
ron
Huh.
00:37:19
Chris
Yep. yeah They have second site telepathy precog, but typically fades by age 15.
00:37:20
ron
that's fun.
00:37:26
Chris
Most. most considered a best kept secret of the Chiss ascendancy.
00:37:33
Chris
But I would assume Thrawn is probably one of the anomalies of them that has some of that.
00:37:42
ron
Is he Force user or is he just Force sensitive?
00:37:44
Chris
I think he's just sensitive. he's he but i mean, just the way he you know planned.
00:37:45
ron
Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:50
Chris
and um Yeah. God, ah but if he was a Force user, he'd be more so terrifying than Vader.
00:37:58
ron
Yeah. yeah Holy. 100%.
00:38:01
Chris
Yeah.
00:38:03
ron
Yeah. And I guess like now I don't know. Ezra's arc is not great either.
00:38:09
Chris
Yeah.
00:38:11
ron
guess he's back, but he missed out his whole life.
00:38:13
Chris
Yeah.
00:38:16
Chris
Ahsoka did not have a good arc. or I mean, it's it's an interesting arc, but not nice.
00:38:22
ron
It's an interesting arc. It's not a good life for her.
00:38:25
Chris
Hmm. No.
00:38:25
ron
She's basically a paranoid schizophrenic at the end.
00:38:28
Chris
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:30
ron
um
00:38:34
Chris
I mean, Kanan Jarrus.
00:38:34
ron
like guess it ain't
00:38:35
Chris
Oh, yeah. know Falls in love, loses his eyesight, dies horribly.
00:38:40
ron
and dies horribly.
00:38:43
Chris
Mm-hmm.
00:38:44
ron
ah i guess it's implied that his son is a force user, right?
00:38:50
Chris
Jace, yeah. Yeah.
00:38:53
ron
But we don't know what's going on with him. Not yet.
00:38:54
Chris
Nah, not yet. Mm-hmm.
00:38:59
ron
But then that's that's the other thing. is like Now, you're growing up without training.
00:39:04
Chris
Right, yeah, yeah, that's...
00:39:05
ron
right There's no one to guide you because Luke's gone.
00:39:09
Chris
Oh my god.
00:39:10
ron
the I wouldn't let Ray train my dog, let alone a Force user.
00:39:14
Chris
No, no.
00:39:14
ron
um
00:39:14
Chris
Yeah, because again, she has no training.
00:39:16
ron
So... Right. Yeah.
00:39:22
Chris
If only they had listened to the legends and, you know, how that was set up. and
00:39:27
ron
Right, right, right, right.
00:39:29
Chris
hu
00:39:30
ron
Yeah, they don't talk about...
00:39:30
Chris
Because, I mean, theyre um there's another one, Mara Jade, who, you know, wasn't brought up in it, but eventually develops into it.
00:39:41
ron
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:43
Chris
ha
00:39:44
ron
Yeah, well, you also lost the Solo twins.
00:39:45
Chris
Yeah.
00:39:48
Chris
Mm-hmm.
00:39:49
ron
But then, like, they don't talk about what happened to the rest of Luke's apprentices.
00:39:56
Chris
Yeah.
00:39:58
ron
there's a they they They exist. We don't know where they are
00:40:01
Chris
You're right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:02
ron
You know.
00:40:02
Chris
Yeah.
00:40:04
ron
But clearly, they didn't get very good training. Which, again, you wouldn't expect Luke to really be a good trainer.
00:40:05
Chris
Yeah.
00:40:11
Chris
No.
00:40:12
ron
right The dude did not have the best... Yoda used him as a weapon. did not use him as a
00:40:19
Chris
Yeah.
00:40:20
ron
He was not an inheritor of the Jedi.
00:40:20
Chris
And.
00:40:22
ron
He was a weapon.
00:40:23
Chris
Yeah.
00:40:27
Chris
And i mean, and so much of his training was from books and. Force interactions, stuff like that. It wasn't real training.
00:40:38
ron
Right. Yeah. here he yeah He's it. You know. clearly clearly not good at it
00:40:46
Chris
Yeah, because I mean, what Yoda taught him for month and a half, two months tops.
00:40:47
ron
you know
00:40:52
ron
Yeah, so it's like it's he got a little bit of training with Ben basically while they were fleeing the Empire.
00:40:59
Chris
Yeah.
00:40:59
ron
And he gets a little bit of training with Yoda.
00:41:02
Chris
Yeah.
00:41:03
ron
Not long.
00:41:04
Chris
right yep
00:41:04
ron
And then he's basically in the open as the most powerful Jedi, quote unquote Jedi in the universe.
00:41:14
Chris
right yeah oh yeah yeah you think there was like some other jedi out there it's like i'm stronger than him i mean yeah right yeah
00:41:15
ron
That's got to screw you up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:26
ron
Sure, I guess, but they're all hiding, right? And they all, us presumably, they're all either dead or they've, yeah, right, they're old and they're decrepit in their powers.
00:41:36
Chris
Old.
00:41:40
Chris
Yeah.
00:41:41
ron
but They cut themselves off from the Force so much that they they don't have the connection anymore.
00:41:43
Chris
Right. Yeah.
00:41:46
ron
but like the only assumption with the Cal Kestis arc is that Cal ends up just retiring and becoming a hermit.
00:41:54
Chris
Yeah, he's got to. And like you said, just cut himself off from the force so it's not there.
00:41:56
ron
Right.
00:42:00
ron
Right.
00:42:01
Chris
and then, yeah, if you cut yourself off from it, you don't have practice with it. So
00:42:09
ron
Yeah.
00:42:09
Chris
yeah.
00:42:10
ron
it's a it it it's It's a sucky thing because the Jedi are so terrible.
00:42:10
Chris
hu
00:42:16
ron
Because you would say, i would think you'd say, oh, I'd live in the High Republic.
00:42:17
Chris
Yeah.
00:42:22
ron
Right?
00:42:22
Chris
Yeah. But like you said, it's just, yeah, I mean, you are, yeah, you're just a civil servant.
00:42:25
ron
it's a life of servitude.
00:42:31
ron
You're kidnapped as a child.
00:42:33
Chris
Yeah.
00:42:33
ron
You are brainwashed into believing that what you're doing is right and good. And you are taught someone else's moral code and and that moral code is enforced upon you with serious infractions to the point where you're beaten and you're no longer an and individual.
00:42:47
Chris
Right.
00:42:56
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:57
ron
Yeah, that's the Jedi.
00:42:58
Chris
And you're expected to pass that on to your apprentice.
00:43:01
ron
Right, you're expected to kidnap other children.
00:43:02
Chris
Yeah.
00:43:03
ron
When you become free of the training, it is your job to go out in the universe and kidnap other children and bring them in for brainwashing and beating.
00:43:04
Chris
Yeah.
00:43:13
Chris
Yeah.
00:43:14
ron
Yeah.
00:43:15
Chris
yeah
00:43:16
ron
It's not a good organization.
00:43:19
Chris
yeah and i mean guess i mean balancing all that probably old republic would be better
00:43:29
ron
Yeah. I guess the only thing you could say about that is that the rules are loosening up.
00:43:38
Chris
yeah yeah yeah but again then you have these like um huge threats out there like
00:43:38
ron
Right? I guess.
00:43:48
Chris
Revan and, or or you get stuff like Revan who it's like, oh, he's a bad guy.
00:43:50
ron
Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. the
00:43:55
Chris
He's a good guy. He's a bad guy. He's a good guy. Yeah.
00:43:58
ron
Right. yeah I always feel like weirdly the old Republic is just the mythology of the Jedi.
00:44:08
Chris
Yeah.
00:44:09
ron
Right? Like none of it really happened. It's kind of like Zeus.
00:44:12
Chris
Yeah, I could see that.
00:44:13
ron
You know, it's it's just like these are stories that yeah, there was this guy Revan and then we just made up all these stories about him.
00:44:17
Chris
Yeah. Right.
00:44:20
ron
No.
00:44:20
Chris
Yeah, because i mean, at the end, Revan is, you know, like hundreds of years old and all kinds of craziness.
00:44:24
ron
Right. ah He's a maniac.
00:44:26
Chris
And yeah.
00:44:27
ron
Right. Yeah.
00:44:28
Chris
Yeah.
00:44:29
ron
And all of the Darths are maniacs.
00:44:32
Chris
Well, yes.
00:44:33
ron
Yeah. But then like to me is that because the Jedi make them out to be maniacs because they have to have a bad guy for their whole philosophy to be a thing?
00:44:40
Chris
Hmm.
00:44:42
Chris
Mm-hmm.
00:44:46
Chris
Yeah. Hmm.
00:44:50
ron
You know, clearly Darth Sidious bad guy. Right?
00:44:54
Chris
Yeah.
00:44:54
ron
He's also raised in the story of them being the bad guys.
00:44:59
Chris
Right. Yeah.
00:45:03
Chris
Yeah, I mean, think about that. If he wasn't, like if Plagueis wasn't isolated and, you know like you said, know, villainized, would that have made a different outcome?
00:45:12
ron
Yeah.
00:45:17
Chris
You know, would it, oh, here's this guy that can, you know, prolong life and, you know, things like that. Huh.
00:45:27
ron
Yeah.
00:45:28
Chris
Yeah. yeah Instead of the Jedi immediately, you know, bad guy, say, you know.
00:45:33
ron
Well, you know, like you're you're meant to be sympathetic to Yoda, but then if you really...
00:45:38
Chris
Yeah.
00:45:40
ron
Think about it. Yoda's the cause of a lot of the problems. Right? Like, he ignores the Sith. He villainizes the Sith.
00:45:49
Chris
Yeah. Yep.
00:45:51
ron
He propagates the system. He purposely withholds things from Luke.
00:45:58
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:59
ron
Like, he's not a good dude.
00:46:01
Chris
Well, he he withheld things throughout his whole career.
00:46:05
ron
ah yeah whole time The whole time and he's on the council.
00:46:07
Chris
Yeah.
00:46:08
ron
he's He's supposedly the most sensitive force user in the universe, right?
00:46:12
Chris
Right.
00:46:13
ron
he
00:46:13
Chris
Yeah.
00:46:14
ron
He withholds from the council the rise of a Sith Lord.
00:46:19
Chris
Mm hmm.
00:46:20
ron
Which then leads to the rise of Darth Sidious and the whole thing coming down.
00:46:21
Chris
Yeah.
00:46:23
Chris
Mm hmm.
00:46:26
ron
Like, he's not a good dude, at this Yoda.
00:46:27
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. And you know, the when Qui-Gon first encountered Maul, and he calls it, yeah.
00:46:37
ron
That should have been like, send it on reinforcements.
00:46:37
Chris
And oh, yeah, let's check this out. Let's see what's going on.
00:46:41
ron
Right.
00:46:42
Chris
Not, that ah, it's nothing. You imagined it.
00:46:46
ron
You kind of almost feel like they didn't care Qui-Gon dies.
00:46:46
Chris
there
00:46:51
ron
Because Qui-Gon's an outsider.
00:46:54
Chris
exactly Well, yeah, that's the thing. Qui-Gon was very
00:47:00
Chris
loose in his interpretation of the code and yeah yeah
00:47:00
ron
outspoken. Right.
00:47:05
ron
Yeah. And it's it's... He's very much left to just kind of hang. You know?
00:47:16
ron
Yeah. And then, like I said, I think Yoda's a bad guy. I don't think Yoda does good things.
00:47:26
ron
He confronts...
00:47:26
Chris
I think he just
00:47:29
ron
He confronts Dooku...
00:47:32
Chris
Yeah.
00:47:32
ron
can clearly win the fight and just gives up.
00:47:35
Chris
Yeah.
00:47:37
ron
Right? Like, he preserves his life over protecting the Jedi Order. He flees from Sidious, right? In the, in the Council of Judges. He's not a good dude.
00:47:46
Chris
Yeah. yeah Yeah, because it's one thing if he fled to you know rally the troops and everything, but no, it was flee to just isolate and yeah.
00:48:01
ron
He flees and hides in the swamps and does nothing for 30 years, seemingly.
00:48:03
Chris
Yeah.
00:48:06
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:08
ron
While Vader then continues to kill all of his followers.
00:48:13
Chris
Right. God. Yeah. Hmm.
00:48:17
ron
You would think that Yoda could confront Vader, but no, he abandons everyone.
00:48:18
Chris
Huh.
00:48:21
Chris
Right. I mean, just his, yeah If he's that powerful, yeah, he should definitely be able to confront Vader and
00:48:33
ron
Yeah, like I mean, you get the impression that Obi-Wan beats Anakin, right?
00:48:33
Chris
Yeah.
00:48:41
Chris
Yeah.
00:48:41
ron
Obi-Wan at least is a match for Anakin.
00:48:44
Chris
Yeah.
00:48:45
ron
Yoda is more powerful than Obi-Wan.
00:48:47
Chris
Right.
00:48:48
ron
Why aren't you confronting Vader? Why aren't you doing something other than hiding in a swamp and hoping that a teenage kid comes around to to fix all your mess up?
00:48:55
Chris
Yeah. yeah Yeah. Yeah. Oh, this baby was just born. I'm sure one of them will be able to take care of things. let's, let's just send them again. Let's send them off with no protection or not protection, but no, yeah. Training, no oversight. We'll just off they go.
00:49:15
ron
but and and you get That shows another side of the of the Jedi. right like They have no problem sending Luke to a desert harsh planet to become a weapon because they know his life will suck so much.
00:49:30
Chris
Yeah.
00:49:30
ron
right They have no problem doing that.
00:49:31
Chris
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:33
ron
at all it's like what are you guys are monsters they're monsters i think if if we were out of the republic we'd be fighting against it we would be sith
00:49:33
Chris
Yeah.
00:49:37
Chris
Yeah. the yeah Yeah. Hmm.
00:49:47
Chris
Hmm.
00:49:50
Chris
Ruby Sith or gray.
00:49:52
ron
i mean but the jedi don't see that differentiation they almost forced you to be sith
00:49:55
Chris
ah Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. Yeah. It's what. What yeah, because you only a sith deals in absolutes and then it's the oh you're either good or bad it's like.
00:50:04
ron
Right.
00:50:04
Chris
you just
00:50:05
ron
You're either an emotionalist bastard or you're a Sith.
00:50:07
Chris
Yeah yeah.
00:50:09
ron
You can't be anything else.
00:50:10
Chris
ah Yeah. Right.
00:50:13
ron
Yeah.
00:50:14
Chris
Yeah, which is it's amazing that Obi-Wan survived as long as he did.
00:50:15
ron
That's insane.
00:50:19
ron
Yeah.
00:50:20
Chris
Because he showed emotions.
00:50:22
ron
But you also get the impression that Obi-Wan, like Qui-Gon, is kind of on the outs.
00:50:27
Chris
Oh yeah I mean. I'm sure a lot of it was because of Qui-Gon's training and all. and But then he, I mean, you can tell, especially, you know, you watch the Clone Wars and everything. It's, yeah.
00:50:38
Chris
Obi-Wan definitely starts to question things a lot or as the time goes on. and And again, that's probably why they were just like, sure, yep. Go off to this desert plan planet, you maniac.
00:50:51
ron
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:54
Chris
Yeah. Yeah, because you would think, yeah why wouldn't it be, know, Yoda, and obi-wan and the twins go off somewhere and try to rally the rest of the jedi and build their numbers back up so they could take the sith on if it's really that big of an issue
00:51:12
ron
You would think in a you know philosophy of sacrifice for others, right, that Obi-Wan and Yoda would team up to take on Vader.
00:51:26
ron
You would think that would happen.
00:51:27
Chris
yeah
00:51:28
ron
Instead, they allow Vader and the Emperor to corrupt Jedi Padawans and make them into Inquisitors.
00:51:36
Chris
Right.
00:51:37
ron
they know They allow them to hunt down, individually kill Jedi Masters who are not as strong as the two of them.
00:51:42
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. And the whole, oh, we'll just go and isolate yourself and this and that. It's like, yeah, yep. Just go off by yourself so you can be picked off one by one.
00:51:52
ron
Right. Yeah. 100%. Just go hide.
00:51:54
Chris
We are setting you up for death. God.
00:51:56
ron
Right.
00:51:56
Chris
may i
00:51:58
ron
Yeah, I'm telling you. When you really think about this, it's like, it's trippy.
00:52:01
Chris
Sure. Yeah.
00:52:04
ron
The only good guys are the Rebellion.
00:52:07
Chris
Yeah.
00:52:08
ron
It's the non-Force users, right? It's the ones who actually rise up without this power to take on the Sith, basically.
00:52:14
Chris
Yeah.
00:52:17
Chris
Yeah.
00:52:18
ron
right great like It's basically like
00:52:19
Chris
yeah Look at him. Yeah, like maniacs like Han who, yeah.
00:52:21
ron
Right. It's guys like me, Han, who are like, I'm going go take on this Sith Lord who can kill people with their freaking thoughts, who could shoot lightning out of their damn fingertips.
00:52:25
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wedge.
00:52:31
ron
Yeah.
00:52:31
Chris
yeah wedge Oh, you know, I don't have this superhuman, you know, force to guide me and pilot and everything. But you know what? I'm going to take rodes Rogue Squadron and make them the baddest bastards out there.
00:52:45
ron
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I... If I could be any Jedi, I would be Koran Horn because he gets to live the life and he's in the Rose Garden and, you know, but that's in Legends.
00:52:52
Chris
Yeah.
00:52:55
Chris
Yeah.
00:52:58
ron
We can't have that life. So you just... You're stuck with this crappy... This crappy other version.
00:53:06
Chris
Yeah.
00:53:07
ron
Yeah.
00:53:08
Chris
Which, which side tangent, have you watched the mall show?
00:53:11
ron
I have not yet watched the long show.
00:53:13
Chris
You got to watch that.
00:53:14
ron
you know I'm going to watch it all at once.
00:53:16
Chris
Well, it's all ready for you now.
00:53:18
ron
Nice.
00:53:19
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So yeah.
00:53:21
ron
I saw little snippets and I was like, I gotta watch.
00:53:24
Chris
Yeah. Sam Witwer is just, yeah.
00:53:28
ron
Yeah, I gotta watch.
00:53:28
Chris
Great. Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:33
ron
It's ah the good stuff of Disney.
00:53:36
Chris
yeah Yeah, that's the thing. ah yeah Definitely.
00:53:37
ron
Yeah.
00:53:40
ron
Yeah.
00:53:40
Chris
yeah Which... update I hate Star Wars fans sometimes.
00:53:46
ron
oh they're the worst people in the world i'm going to interrupt through you and say they're worse because because they should be on my side right like we should all love to enjoy this thing and and be able to enjoy it but we can't
00:53:47
Chris
Yeah. Because it i don't know... yeah
00:53:55
Chris
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:53:59
Chris
Yeah.
00:54:02
Chris
Right. Yeah. Like, i saw... which you know i'm don't know frustrated whatever but you shit happens so i saw that now in galaxy's edge they now have luke leia and han and they look very much legends version of them yeah but take that out of it but you know people are like oh would i do you know Luke's hair is too dark for Luke. And you know, oh, Han wasn't that tall. I was like, ah eat a dick, man. You know, these are people just trying to go out there and you know spread joy.
00:54:39
Chris
And yeah.
00:54:39
ron
Right. Yeah. Could you imagine when you were a kid...
00:54:42
Chris
Yeah.
00:54:46
ron
if you had the opportunity to go to Disneyland when we were children, right?
00:54:50
Chris
Yeah.
00:54:51
ron
And like, there was a, there was Luke, right? That wasn't a thing that we had the option.
00:54:56
Chris
Yeah.
00:54:57
ron
Like I, it's, it's the side change to all this conversation.
00:54:58
Chris
No.
00:55:02
ron
I was thinking about it. The conversation conversation I was going to have today is like, which celebrity would you actually want to meet and actually sit down and talk to? And the only one I could come up with mark was Mark Hamill.
00:55:09
Chris
Yeah.
00:55:12
Chris
o
00:55:12
ron
because it's such important, I, I, I so rarely don't care about celebrities, right?
00:55:14
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:18
Chris
Right.
00:55:18
ron
I don't really give a crap about their opinions. I don't really even really care to meet them, but Mark Hamill would be the one, right?
00:55:21
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:24
Chris
Yeah, because I feel like he's definitely like, yeah.
00:55:24
ron
Like, don't know.
00:55:27
Chris
down to earth huh yeah
00:55:28
ron
Yeah. And just how much of my childhood is he, you know, involved in, I mean, Harrison Ford probably be pretty cool, but I'm pretty sure he's baked.
00:55:39
ron
all of the time.
00:55:41
Chris
yeah yeah that's like and i thought yeah you think like schwarzenegger or somebody like that but i don't know he could be a little crazy
00:55:42
ron
You know?
00:55:45
ron
But...
00:55:50
ron
Yeah, I mean, it'd be fine to beat him.
00:55:54
Chris
Yeah, but I mean, like, I i now see some of these videos of, like, you know, when he used to go back to the gyms and stuff, just, you know the way some of his old gym buddies would react.
00:55:54
ron
Like...
00:56:03
Chris
And it's like, yeah, there had to be some kind of honest, you know, appreciation. and
00:56:09
ron
Yeah, but Mark Hamill, like, I would nerd boy out meeting Mark Hamill.
00:56:10
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah.
00:56:15
ron
That would be tough for me.
00:56:16
Chris
Yeah.
00:56:16
ron
I'd be like oh, you know, let's not even talk about the Joker.
00:56:17
Chris
Yeah. yeah yeah
00:56:22
ron
You're Luke Skywalker, for God's sakes.
00:56:22
Chris
yeah yeah exactly Yeah, I mean, yeah. I would have to have a list of pre-written down things, and my wife would have to hand that to him, because I would just be
00:56:29
ron
Right.
00:56:31
ron
Right. Right. My wife made for me to meet you for five minutes, and I have cards I have to read. Yeah.
00:56:42
Chris
Oh, yeah. God.
00:56:43
ron
It'd be tough.
00:56:44
Chris
And now that you've ruined the Jedi for me. Nah, it's not just...
00:56:46
ron
Sorry. had to have
00:56:48
Chris
I know, but it's... Yeah, I mean, we've talked about this before, and it's... Yeah. I think, yeah... concept wise really cool. But then when you really get deep down and talk about it, they're not the best people,
00:57:00
ron
Right, well, you know, it's it's it's almost a philosophical lesson, right?
00:57:02
Chris
but it, yeah.
00:57:06
ron
Like, the ends don't justify the means, right?
00:57:09
Chris
Yeah.
00:57:09
ron
Because the end the end goal of the Jedi, supposedly, is order and peace.
00:57:10
Chris
Yeah.
00:57:15
Chris
Right.
00:57:17
ron
But when you cause such strife and resentment to do it, it's only going to end one way.
00:57:21
Chris
Yeah.
00:57:24
Chris
hmm. Yeah. Well, that and if you're so rigid with things and so narrow minded in your focus.
00:57:31
ron
Yeah.
00:57:32
Chris
Yeah, you've got to be more open.
00:57:34
ron
Everyone loses in the Clone Wars.
00:57:38
Chris
Yeah.
00:57:38
ron
Everyone.
00:57:39
Chris
Yeah.
00:57:39
ron
Except Garcidious.
00:57:39
Chris
Yeah, there's.
00:57:40
ron
But he gets thrown down
00:57:41
Chris
the I mean, eventually, but yeah, the Clone Wars itself.
00:57:46
ron
to Death Star.
00:57:46
Chris
Yeah.
00:57:46
ron
his ruin his his his life is ruined at the end of the Clone Wars. right like he's He's disfigured, he's maimed, and I'm sure he's in w racking pain.
00:57:51
Chris
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:57:54
ron
So everybody loses.
00:57:55
Chris
Probably.
00:57:56
ron
Think about all of the inc innocents that are killed because of the hubris of the Jedi.
00:57:56
Chris
Yeah.
00:58:00
Chris
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:58:01
ron
all the children that are slaughtered because of the Jedi.
00:58:05
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. yeah Can you imagine that? like yeah some There were probably kids who were just identified as Padawans.
00:58:13
ron
ah hundred percent 100%?
00:58:14
ron
That's the younglings.
00:58:14
Chris
Or as younglings. Yeah. it has you know Maybe one day of training.
00:58:20
ron
Yeah, they're stripped from their parents.
00:58:20
Chris
God. God.
00:58:21
ron
They're literally stripped from their parents, but pulled to the Jedi Temple, and then they're slaughtered by this maniac teenager.
00:58:26
Chris
yeah yeah yeah shoo wow
00:58:30
ron
Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:35
ron
It's the universe of the Jedi.
00:58:39
ron
Well, a depressing thought. You want to go to Topic? two
00:58:42
Chris
yeah well topic two probably be uh yeah this is a short one and yeah makes sense because we're almost an hour in um i i read something today that um
00:58:49
ron
Well, that's fair.
00:58:53
Chris
The new, not KOTOR, what is it? Photor whatever? Fate of the Old Republic?
00:58:57
ron
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:58:58
Chris
It is being written and developed by some of the, what they call it?
00:59:08
Chris
The Platinum class of Bioware creators or something.
Gaming Industry Pressures and Projects
00:59:14
ron
So they they went to the archives, pulled them out of their little coffins and said, vampires, get back to RORC. We need you.
00:59:20
Chris
Yeah, pretty much. But I'm like, when I heard that, I mean, the premise and everything sounds amazing anyway, but I heard that I, I have more hope for that game now than I used to because of,
00:59:32
ron
Do you think it's because BioWare has stumbled so far?
00:59:36
Chris
Oh my gosh. Yeah.
00:59:37
ron
this is doesn't this this This feels a little bit like their last chance.
00:59:42
Chris
Oh yeah. I, I absolutely agree with that. Yeah. If Bioware cocks this up, then they're done, done.
00:59:48
ron
Yeah, I mean...
00:59:49
Chris
Cause I think they show have shown that, you know, um, Larian can definitely tell a damn good story and, you know, they can out Bioware So.
01:00:02
ron
Yeah, I mean, and just the last... When's the last biogame BioWare game you were like, oh, that's good.
01:00:13
ron
Not... I played it because it's i I enjoy BioWare or I support BioWare, but it was good.
01:00:18
Chris
Yeah.
01:00:22
Chris
Existurous Elisant Veilguard. Let's see. Let's go to their list. Games.
01:00:36
Chris
No, I want games in order.
01:00:37
ron
Sure as hell it wasn't the last Dragon Age.
01:00:41
Chris
No. god my God. That was such a disappointment.
01:00:47
ron
Anthem was...
01:00:49
Chris
That could have been so good.
01:00:51
ron
It could have been Skogood. It was Dead on Arrival.
01:00:53
Chris
Yeah.
01:00:54
ron
ah
01:00:56
Chris
Got the flying in that was great.
01:00:56
ron
I guess people liked Mass Effect Andromeda.
01:01:03
Chris
Yeah.
01:01:03
ron
I didn't get into Mass Effect very well.
01:01:05
Chris
I never played Andromeda. I played the first three.
01:01:07
ron
uh dragon age inquisition was i feel like that's where it went off the rails um
01:01:08
Chris
They were fine.
01:01:17
Chris
God, I mean, is it's. Yeah.
01:01:21
ron
you you gotta to go back to like the old republic yeah like mass effect
01:01:21
Chris
The Old Republic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The old Republican Dragon Age origins.
01:01:28
ron
Right, Mass Effect. People literally liked the first Mass Effect. Cool.
01:01:32
Chris
Yeah.
01:01:33
ron
Dragon Age, awesome.
01:01:35
Chris
Yeah.
01:01:36
ron
Star Wars No Republic, awesome.
01:01:36
Chris
But
01:01:38
ron
Since then? But then you look back, you got Knights of the Republic, Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate 2, you know, Baldur's Gate.
01:01:40
Chris
yeah, I mean, you so you figure that's.
01:01:46
Chris
Oh, gosh.
01:01:47
ron
You had such great games.
01:01:48
Chris
Yes. Yeah.
01:01:52
ron
And then they just i don't they just lost their way.
01:01:52
Chris
Yeah, they just they reached too far.
01:01:58
Chris
Yeah.
01:01:59
ron
Like, they were worried about the wrong...
01:02:02
Chris
Yeah.
01:02:03
ron
Like, Dragon Age Inquisition felt more like they they saw everything good about Dragon Age and were like, yeah, but what if we just threw in some really annoying things, like, that you have to deal with all the time?
01:02:15
Chris
Oh, you mean like a healer that can't heal?
01:02:17
ron
Right, yeah. like Like, you just...
01:02:19
Chris
Yeah, makes sense.
01:02:21
ron
Yeah.
01:02:21
Chris
Yeah. Oh, we also have, you this guy's in the fighter class, but he doesn't have arms.
01:02:27
ron
Right, yeah.
01:02:27
Chris
yeah that makes sense yeah yeah oh here's a rogue but he's not quiet oh yeah yep all these are tracking yeah okay dumb yeah yeah
01:02:28
ron
yeah
01:02:34
ron
Yeah. It was dumb. They just... And I mean, they haven't...
01:02:44
Chris
yeah yeah since what 2010 2011.
01:02:47
ron
Yeah.
01:02:48
Chris
oh
01:02:49
ron
Yeah, I'm looking through and it's like...
01:02:54
ron
but Well, three of their games got canceled.
01:02:56
Chris
yeah um yeah yeah yeah
01:02:57
ron
Then Dragon Age Inquisition, which I'm sure made them money. a And then Andromeda, I'm sure, limped along. But then Anthem was a huge flop. And Veilguard was a flop.
01:03:09
ron
um Yeah. It sucks. Yeah.
01:03:17
Chris
yeah it's yeah dragon age veil guard only sold just over a million copies yeah yeah oh wait no i'm sorry the count is actually less than that who was about 700 000 because of uh ea play they got it for free so 50 of their sales were ea play yeah yeah yeah i hope photore is good
01:03:28
ron
Right.
01:03:55
ron
Yeah, i hope. I want you to... I want Bioware to just...
01:04:02
Chris
Or just, or just, just remake KOTOR.
01:04:06
ron
Right. Yeah, just tell stories in the KOTOR universe.
01:04:10
Chris
Yeah.
01:04:10
ron
Let's do that.
01:04:11
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Just pretty the graphics up some and yeah, let's go.
01:04:16
ron
Yeah. The problem now is like that style of game, I don't know if people will play it.
01:04:26
Chris
Yeah, but there's always, you know, those resurgences. So, yeah.
01:04:30
ron
um yeah There are, yeah.
01:04:32
Chris
Because I mean, right now that that's a niche that's not being hit at all.
01:04:32
ron
They could hit out of the park.
01:04:37
ron
Yeah, I mean, you had Baldur's Gate, and then that was it.
01:04:40
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:42
ron
you know and it was which was
01:04:42
Chris
So.
01:04:44
ron
Which seems like such a crazy phenomenon that Baldur's Gate did that well, and then no one followed it up.
01:04:48
Chris
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:53
ron
seems Seems bonkers to me.
01:04:55
Chris
Yeah. I. i't know
01:04:59
ron
But yes, I hope FOTOR does well. I mean, I hope Bioware gets back to their roots, which is engaging storytelling.
01:05:06
Chris
Yeah. Yes.
01:05:09
ron
The story should drive the game. Like if I play a Bioware game, the story should drive the game.
01:05:11
Chris
Yeah.
01:05:13
ron
The mechanics should be secondary to the story.
01:05:14
Chris
Oh, yeah.
01:05:16
Chris
Yeah.
01:05:18
ron
They should never get in the way.
01:05:18
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. yeah i mean, 90% of the time, if I'm playing a game, it's because of the story.
01:05:25
ron
Right.
01:05:27
Chris
So, yeah. If I just want dumb action, I'll boot up something like Call a Duty or something. I don't know.
01:05:34
ron
Right, like and there's nothing wrong Call of Duty. When you just want to play dumb action and not think about the story, that's that that stuff exists already.
01:05:37
Chris
No, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
01:05:43
ron
you know
01:05:44
Chris
Yeah.
01:05:45
ron
oh That's not what a Bioware game is to me, right?
01:05:48
Chris
Yeah, no, no, no.
01:05:52
ron
Yeah. Now's the time do it because Grand Theft Auto 6 is never going to get released, so...
01:05:57
Chris
Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I heard something the other day. They're like, we're hoping that the base game can come in and ah Under the $100 point. It's like, good gosh.
01:06:09
ron
I mean, it's been in development for... Well, somebody posted something in one of the discords of the other day. They were talking about there was a Star Citizen alphat Alpha update.
01:06:19
ron
I'm like, that game is still in Alpha?
01:06:21
Chris
Really? Gosh.
01:06:23
ron
I feel like that game was announced and I was a rookie in the fire department and I'm about to retire before it gets released.
01:06:26
Chris
Yeah.
01:06:29
ron
yeah
01:06:29
Chris
Yeah, I mean. God. That.
01:06:36
ron
It's got to be over 10 years at this point that it's been announced, at least.
01:06:37
Chris
He was that originally.
01:06:45
Chris
Yes, star citizen announcement.
01:06:51
ron
Three presidents ago.
01:06:53
Chris
You. Oh, my gosh. October 10th, 2012. And it.
01:06:58
ron
Yeah. fourteen Almost 14 years ago. And it's still not out.
01:07:01
Chris
It was so it was supposed to be released. late 14 early 15. still in alpha development with a single player campaign squadron 42 targeting a 2026 launch and a full 1.0 release of 2027 or 2028 yeah it's not coming out golly day
01:07:21
ron
Which means 2029. Right. crazy. And... that's crazy
01:07:29
ron
that yeah and
01:07:30
Chris
there's somebody that's going to retire before the game comes out that start that was working on it yeah
01:07:35
ron
Yeah. Yeah, i could think about how many people have left that company while working on that project. The credits list is going to be, you know, three hours long.
01:07:49
ron
to finally finish the game. You're like, oh my god, the credits are still going.
Casual Conversations and Life Musings
01:07:52
ron
And it's like, yeah, well,
01:07:52
Chris
yeah yeah the campaign takes 20 hours
01:07:53
ron
yeah
01:07:56
ron
span three decades to get this game out.
01:08:02
Chris
What's this weird fuzziness in the background? Oh, that's a credits. They start playing when you, as soon as you start the game, because if not, it would never end.
01:08:07
ron
yeah It would never end. Yeah.
01:08:12
Chris
Yeah.
01:08:14
Chris
Well, I'm going to go yeah question the Jedi ways.
01:08:14
ron
Well, buddy.
01:08:18
ron
question is Jedi. going to help with landscaping that I didn't want to do and somehow I'm still going to be involved with.
01:08:22
Chris
Oh, that sounds fun. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to cut some grass, I think. But ah yeah, have folks out there taking care, enjoying the spring weather when it comes around, and
01:08:31
ron
Yeah.
01:08:32
Chris
Yeah, just being nice.
01:08:34
ron
And the don't force children into sleep slavery and servitude for life. That's not good.
01:08:42
Chris
Take care, folks.