Transcript
Chris: Welcome back to another episode of the mythic giraffe podcast. I'm Chris.
late: And I am a very confused Ron.
Chris: Did it happen twice?
late: i I heard music and then it went away and then it came back.
Chris: Hey, music.
Chris: My poor drug dog is fumbling about the house after her surgery and her cone of shame getting caught on everything. Can you imagine if they did that to people?
late: some people I wish I could do it to.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Yeah. I would want it to cover more of the mouthful area.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Not to let them breathe, but...
Chris: yeah Yeah. Put like a st straw.
late: Yeah.
Chris: and Snorkel.
late: Some of them I just don't really want them talking.
Chris: Yeah. Hmm.
late: Pretty much ever.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There are definitely those people you come across. You're like, ah no, no, don't need it.
late: Yeah. And... Warning to all listeners, the older you get, the more of those people you're going to meet.
Chris: Hmm.
Chris: Hmm.
late: And I think it's more that you tolerate them less.
Chris: Yeah.
late: The same number exists.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. We've used up your patience over the years.
late: Yeah.
late: I, you know, as we get older and think about retirement, and think about our after the fire department gigs, I think about how little patience I'm going to have.
Chris: Hmm.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: I know. yeah I think. Yeah, because we've had to be so patient with so many idiots over the years.
late: ah Yes.
Chris: That's just.
late: I have to pretend every day i don't have to do it as much anymore. I will. me Let me not, you know, go out and say I'm the worst. so got it in the worst and worse But for many years, I had to pretend that people's emergencies were worthy of calling 911.
late: And I've had to deal with fame.
Chris: Yeah.
late: It's, you know, and it's never been the patience. Very, i've thought not never.
Chris: No.
late: I say never.
Chris: I don't know. That one guy was acting like a kid.
late: There's just
Chris: Yeah.
late: yeah I told my crew that story the other day and they were like, who did this?
Chris: ah
late: And I said, the deputy chief.
late: He did what? I'm like, they didn't believe me.
Chris: No.
late: They thought I was making it up. It's like, there were many witnesses to this, a whole event.
Chris: ah so say, yeah.
late: Well, one last, cause that guy didn't survive.
Chris: Old man Fippin was there. He should have.
late: what One witness didn't survive the event. He was being yelled at as he dies.
Chris: Oh, he survived.
late: but like a kid he did not
Chris: For a little bit.
late: Yeah. I wouldn't say...
Chris: Yeah.
late: He he needed our help.
Chris: Yes. But he wouldn't let us.
late: I don't know what... I wouldn't know what we were doing for him, but he needed our help.
Chris: Yeah.
late: But so the patience I have used up on just dealing with other people's BS, I just i don't i don't know that I'm going to able work at a hardware store and somebody asked me some dumb question. i'll be like, no, we don't sell hubcaps for a 1977 Chevelle. Get the hell out of here.
Chris: Yeah. I still remember I had a patient one night and she called it like three o'clock in the morning. And I'm like, what's going on on? She's like, well, my stomach's been hurting. It's been going on since yesterday at lunchtime.
Chris: and I was like, so did something change? And she was like, no, I just didn't want to bother anybody during the day. and my partner and I just looked at her and she goes, ah were, were you, were you trying to rest?
Chris: like well it's three o'clock in the morning ma'am she's like oh i'm a real bitch aren't i i said i didn't say it let's get an the ambulance
late: You be able say it, though.
late: It's not a good thing. By any means, it's a good thing. But boy, we could get away with a lot of shit back in the day that you could never get away with now. It was a little cathartic.
Chris: yeah it was one also i mean it's that time
late: To just
Chris: during response that you get all that evil out of your system.
late: Oh, yeah. Famously, rest in peace, Wade.
Chris: Oh my God.
late: That guy, from the moment the tones dropped to the moment the ambulance went into park. Fuck this.
late: Fuck this place. Fuck these people. Fuck.
Chris: Yep.
late: Oh, darling, how can I help you today? Oh, my God. That is so horrible.
Chris: Yeah. You're looking, you're like, what with who who are you and who's the guy that I wrote over here with?
late: I just listened to George Carlin go off on every cuss word for five minutes driving over here. And this guy's over here buying flowers and this is the sweetest he could be, but he's had to get, he had to get the evil out for five minutes.
Chris: yeah oh yeah
late: But if you videocaped that for five, you would be like, this guy can't work anywhere.
Chris: exactly yeah he should be locked up somewhere yeah
late: This guy's a sociopath.
late: I just, the first time he he did that to me, I was like, What has happened? i was I was left stunned.
Chris: yeah it was And it was the total switch.
late: Oh, ah it was it was like two different people.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
late: and And never, never did I ever see him raise his voice to a patient.
Chris: Hmm.
late: Ever.
Chris: I know. Yeah.
late: Now, I saw him raise a voice to assistant chiefs, captains, lieutenants, other firefighters, nurses, doctors, techs.
Chris: Nurses, doctors, police officers...
late: But a patient? Never.
Chris: Never. Yeah. Yeah.
late: guys i will say, for all his faults, I think a lot of stuff I modeled myself on was of him, you know.
Chris: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
late: Because he never, I said, he just he could never he would never raise his voice to a patient, and he had infinite patience for them.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
Chris: yeah yeah yeah
late: Unlike some other paramedics, he he just...
late: And you worked with the paramedics who, were like, hadn't been a paramedic half the time he has. You know? Right.
Chris: yeah yeah yeah i'm already i've seen all this that's like you've seen like a hundredth of what this guy has seen shut up
late: Yeah.
late: Yeah.
Chris: yeah i mean there was that core you know him even insley know uncle company i mean
late: Evening's like, yeah.
late: Yeah, well, a couple of came on after everybody.
Chris: yeah
late: please But then there was Shirley who...
Chris: Surely you had to, the patient had to win into her good graces.
late: Yeah, yeah. but I had to take yo yeah but Wade every once I just it was it it was it was really jarring for me because I was on day work so I got to work with the four of them like the recreation of them and it was just like oh my god this person's a sociopath oh wait no he's really nice what and a guy who I would have said was the biggest asshole I'd ever met in my entire life again same thing nice to patients you
Chris: Especially if it was a woman. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: yeah
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: It is different than it was that time, 20 plus years ago.
Chris: Yeah. It was.
late: You know. The emergencies are... I don't feel like we went to the nursing homes as near as much as we go now. I might be misremembering.
Chris: but we were talking the other day. i mean, it's the city as a whole is a lot nicer than it used to be, though.
late: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Chris: I mean, we used to joke, but it was like, know, you'd be sitting at station two and you hear pop, pop, pop, pop. It's like, all right, let go get the ambulance running.
late: yo no like I tell people all the time, like you you guys missed all of the good times of the city.
Chris: Yeah, the quote unquote wild west of the city.
late: it was It was a time. And part of that like experience was what allowed us to do whatever we wanted. Because nobody was like, yeah, as long as we came and take care of the patients, that's all they really cared about.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
late: you know I don't remember the bosses being like, hey's screw I need to do this, this, and this. dinner he's like No, I'm going to to my calls.
Chris: Yeah.
late: I'm not to be in the station. I'm going to check my equipment at 7, and then I'll be back around dinner, maybe.
Chris: Yeah, maybe.
late: if If you guys serve Caesar salad for dinner, I'm leaving and going somewhere else.
Chris: Unless you were on C-Shift, because Grogan would send you out to get dinner.
late: Yeah, well, luckily I didn't work for that a-hole.
Chris: And the crazy, I don't know if it was just something at work or what, but like I saw him, don't know, probably six months after he retired. Nice as could be to me and talk.
Chris: I'm like, you're Steve Grogan, right?
late: You're the same guy who you know, they would watch your car, see how you pulled into the day to see how ah pissed off you were.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. i
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, I mean, maybe it is because we were so busy back then. Because
late: I think that's gotta be part of it, but...
Chris: I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, it was I can remember, you know running 20 plus calls a shift.
late: Yeah. If you were on Medic 1 back in the day, and if Fruitland and Alan were...
Chris: Oh, my God, the vacation station.
late: Vacation Precision, my ass. If you were Medic 1, and Fruitland and Alan were being a pain in the ass all day, you were gone all day.
Chris: Shit.
late: All day. now Now I can't get my kids to leave the station. I'm like, go roam. Go be out in the city.
Chris: Yeah.
late: No, no, no.
Chris: Yeah.
late: We're going to hang out here. i don't i don't need you around me all day.
Chris: Yeah. Cause you, yeah, it would be like, you know, the rare times you're sitting around the firehouse. You're like, you take a ride.
late: Yeah. They don't leave the station anymore. It's weird.
Chris: Yeah. Tag on home bodies.
late: yeah it's a different culture well i thought i told him as i said i think part of the reason i left the station all the time is i hated everybody i worked for and i also hated a lot of people i worked with ahto it it was an easy decision to be like because
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Back then, which is not now, there was no idea of a fair schedule. The best you could hope for was you just kind of got to work with the same person over every day and you could deal with that person.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: Boy, agree.
Chris: I remember we even made like an agreement with the officer on B shift. We were like, look, you keep me and Danny together. You keep Chris and Ian together. You keep Larry and Lorenzo together and we'll all be happy.
late: Right. Just don't mess with us.
Chris: Yeah. Just leave us alone.
late: And you know what they did? They didn't mess with you.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Yep. I got the short on that stick once.
late: Can't talk about it, but...
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: And...
Chris: yeah that But that was the other thing. Yeah. You, you knew in your mind, you're like, I can do this 24 hour shift with this person. I loathe. because there's light at the end of the tunnel. And when we're on calls, we're not really communicating with with each other. So it doesn't matter. And we're busy. So we're not gonna communicate with each other.
late: yeah yeah i i never loathed anybody who was my partner there were people who i wouldn't go out of my way to hang around but for the most part i didn't loath them i got along with people that people other people that really loathed but uh it was my more my boss i just did not want to be around my boss ever
Chris: Yeah.
late: wouldn't, wouldn't piss off.
Chris: And that boss, you and that boss stayed together for a while.
late: We did. did. We did. And then it like, and then they replaced him with somebody who was worse.
Chris: Yeah.
late: It was, I, I got, it was rough.
Chris: yeah
late: I, I,
Chris: I was still remember ah thanksgiving phone goes off who's that oh soand so and so wishing me a happy thanksgiving i worked for that so
late: i don't think I don't think the last time he saw me, he even waved at me.
late: I wouldn't piss if he was on fire. i would In fact, I'd piss next on the watch so he can watch the the hope of me putting him out by pissing on him go out.
Chris: oh my god
late: Dumb sumbitch. Oh, boy.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. And then there was, oh God. you Remember when Pop was out there.
late: I worked with Pop for a while.
Chris: God.
late: boys look hot out there
Chris: ah But he was another one. As long as we did what we were supposed to do, he didn't care.
late: nope you get the floor wet long as the floor was dry you checked your equipment pretty much that was the that was the
Chris: and as long as we didn't get the floor wet. Yeah. Yeah.
late: Again, i talk about is if it's the best way to do things, but it was the requirement was you checked your equipment and you went on calls.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: There was really nothing else in the fire department back then.
Chris: Yeah.
late: We cleaned the station, you know.
Chris: Oh yeah. Especially, oh my God, the times you would work on C shift.
late: But...
Chris: Oh, it's 1130. Let's paint the trim. No.
late: The day that dumb bastard had us painting the garage doors to the station that was no longer ours.
Chris: my God. Yes.
late: And I ruined my uniform. And I was like, what the fuck are we doing here?
Chris: Hmm.
late: Oh, we go. They have to use the right color. Otherwise it won't match the historical site. We don't own the building.
Chris: Yeah. Oh my god, leave it better than you found it.
late: They're going to rip the doors off. No, these doors are historic. They got to leave it. But the first thing they did, they ripped the freaking doors off.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Those doors, that maniac's trying to get the bell and the doors. and
Chris: He probably has those garage doors, like, laying in his backyard.
late: I'm sure he does. He's got a little fort built out of all the stupid, stupid things.
late: So i I was so mad that day.
Chris: Uh-huh.
late: It was hot. It was like August. And we were just freaking painting the doors on a building that we don't even own anymore. So what?
Chris: Uh-huh.
late: We were already moved into the new station.
Chris: Yeah.
late: And I was just working over it. I just hated working overtime because I just hated being on that shift going, what is this?
Chris: Mm-hmm.
late: i remember one time it was raining. It was 10 o'clock at night and he's like, everybody come uptown for training.
Chris: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
late: I'm like, what are you talking? We're going to do ladder training.
Chris: Yeah.
late: It's 10 o'clock at night.
Chris: Yep. a
late: You maniac. Right.
Chris: Yep. Oh, it's snowing outside. This is a great chance to practice. Yeah. Whatever in the snow.
late: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: no it's not.
late: but You know what's a good chance for me to get in my bunk and maybe get three hours of sleep? Probably not, but maybe.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. yeah
late: Yeah, I. All of those things i just like never will do to my employees.
Chris: yeah and I think it's because of things like that, that that's why we used to bid on calls back in the day.
late: Oh, yeah.
Chris: Stuff like that.
late: yeah oh
Chris: You're like, yeah, let's go uptown.
late: Oh, yes as soon as a call came in, was like, I got it. I'll take it. No, no, no, um no no no, I got it.
Chris: Yep. Yep. Yep. m
late: Back when we had to figure out, are you on the right side of the river or left side of the river?
Chris: Oh my gosh. Yeah. Well, let's see the, yeah. Met. Mercury is in retrograde and the wind is from the east. So that means that call is mine before seven, but yours until eight. Yeah.
late: Could you think of any fire department that's a functional fire department besides ours, where at two o'clock in the morning you would have to wake up because there's no dispatch for the building, You just have to hear the call.
Chris: Yeah. yeah
late: You would wake up and have to make a decision whether a call was north or south of a river, of nothing more than memory, yeah and then go on the call.
Chris: Yep. Yeah.
late: it's
Chris: Yeah.
late: It's amazing that we ever got up for calls.
Chris: Oh yeah. Yeah.
late: Yeah. Right.
Chris: Well, I mean, do you remember when it first, it first used to be, it was just a dong.
late: yeah
Chris: Oh, that's us. We gotta to go.
late: I came from a little better dispatch center and came to so historic in the city and go, what is wrong with this place?
Chris: Yeah.
late: And you know what? It's 22 years later and I'm going, what is wrong with this?
Chris: Yeah. Do you when we had the rip and run printers?
late: Yeah. For like a ah day that they worked.
Chris: Yeah. You would get back from the call. Oh, look, here's where I'm supposed to go.
late: who
Chris: It's finally printed out.
late: yeah no no here's where i supposed to go for the last 50 calls that they all dumped at once cool that's awesome
Chris: yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. ah
late: again we had rip and runs in newcastle 10 years before salisbury had them and they worked perfectly ah don't understand how nothing that comes to salisbury works nothing
Chris: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Chris: It's it's there has to be some ancient voodoo curse.
late: I'm surprised you guys haven't gone back to alphanumeric pagers. just
Chris: was about to say, well, I'm a textifier chief right now.
late: I probably shouldn't say that out loud because I'm probably... something part
Chris: hey great idea to save money. um
late: Who needs GPS? to Just use pagers.
Chris: my. Oh, God. I still, though, I think like I don't know. yeah The city has Spirit Week coming up. I saw that. i think in the Fire Department, we should do like Throwback Thursday and take all the GPS out and give everybody ADC map books.
late: So you don't want anybody to get any calls.
Chris: Yeah.
late: You realize there are lo there are officers who work our department who never use the map book.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. yeah
late: If you hated them, the map book, they wouldn't know what to do. And you'd have to dig up the original map books that, you know, you couldn't read because they were all creased to all hell or ripped in...
Chris: oh my gosh or handwritten yeah
late: It's like, oh I'm going to Powellville. I know how to get that because this map's clear as day. But if I get anything in the city, I got no clue because this thing looks like a ball of crap. Oh, there's Tony's coffee all over it. Awesome.
Chris: ah yeah or hey we gotta to go to Pine Bluff Village oh well here's that map that you know Schwartz drew two years ago
late: I remember going on call one time and all I could get was like the map page and grid. Like I could get the grid out of the back and go, okay, we're going here, but you can't read any of the streets.
Chris: Yeah.
late: So we're just going to drive around until we can find the street for the day. God bless his heart. Today, I went on a call with uncle Tony.
Chris: Yeah.
late: And I still remember the street.
Chris: Yeah,
late: it It's the, what's that hill street behind the firehouse before the firehouse was there.
Chris: yeah, yeah.
late: And I'm like, Tony, I know the call. I know what's over here. Tell me where it is. And we drove around for 10 minutes. Central's calling us. B2, you on location or whatever, 16 to whatever we were in at that point.
Chris: yeah
late: And he's like, I'm like, Tony, where the are we going? i don't I don't really know how to use the map book.
late: slam it into park grab the goddamn macbook at his face and beat him to death with it ah
late: or you want to be a smartass 16 to respond to 270 avenue okay i got map page and grid for that central
Chris: Yeah, and then come back in. and Somebody who doesn't work for the department anymore. You won't do it again. Word Week. You've got Genesis. Yeah, can we get a SNRC or whatever it was at the time?
late: okay
Chris: Yeah. Again, can I get my book or my page grid? Yeah.
late: my favorite dispatcher of all time but my favorite dispatcher all time was uh was his name steve the old old guy i think his name was steve and he would he'd be like oh yeah you're gonna turn left at uh old bob flanagan's tire shop it's not there anymore but you're gonna turn left there
Chris: God, Chief did not think that was funny that time.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
late: what you talking about Dude.
Chris: Yeah. Or he had Wayne, who was just monotone the entire time. The dispatch center could be on fire. 16, can you respond?
Chris: Dispatch on fire.
late: I'm currently burning.
Chris: There's people jumping out of the bu windows.
late: My console is on fire. Please respond.
Chris: Yeah, he was just level as could be.
late: Mm-hmm.
Chris: Well, now you have the child dispatching.
late: I said that yesterday. i said I couldn't, I can't believe my career is going end with a child dispatching me.
Chris: What was it the one time she dispatched Oh, no.
late: Oh, oh no.
late: It's halfway through a call. Oh no. Oh no, what?
Chris: And then just silence, right?
late: Yeah, just silence. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, that's what it is. I don't think we should be going to this call.
Chris: Oh,
late: Good old days of the city.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. I guess I got to stop out station one and set the record straight with your folks.
late: It's the truth. The record is the truth. I've told them the truth. They know the truth.
Chris: But they don't believe it.
late: and it's They don't believe it, but it's the truth. Anything you say is going to be a fabrication to make yourself look better.
Chris: No.
Chris: It's called spinning a yarn.
late: I fucked me you fucked him or or oh that's good did you use the one where you said did you mean say well you're a fucking paramedic you go on the call
Chris: I will own that.
Chris: I use that in my interview for my current position. Yeah. You says a learning experience.
Chris: I did not use that one.
late: I was i was something
Chris: Oh, yeah
late: my best My best friend and I are on the engine together.
Chris: God.
late: Very rarely ever happens.
Chris: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
late: We're both paramedics. The fourth Hamlet's call it comes in at 2 o'clock in the morning. I get up. I hear the officer say, Trudy, you gotta take that call.
late: And I hear the response, you're a fucking paramedic. You take the call. And I say, I'm going out to Hamlet's. don't know how this is going to end.
Chris: Ah.
late: But...
Chris: ah
late: and Here comes true. do you walk around? Oh, I don't think I should have said that.
Chris: ah Ah, gosh. Fun times.
late: It was fun times.
Chris: Yeah.
late: I hope this next generation has fun times that they can look back on.
Chris: Yeah, yeah. They have to.
late: Yeah.
Chris: Somewhere deep in the cockles of their heart.
late: Otherwise, you won't survive this job.
Chris: Yeah, no.
Chris: Well, ready for topic one?
late: well Yeah, I'm going to bring the whole thing down too. so And it's your fault.
Chris: oh Oh, OK. Oh.
late: So it's very odd. You and another friend of mine both texted me separate ah AI slash dystopian future things yesterday.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
late: and I was like, I think we're living, we might be right before Skynet takes us all out at this point in our in our timeline.
Chris: yeah
late: So you sent me that an AI hacked another AI, which is bonkers. and not going paid for us.
Chris: yeah
late: And he sends me that Ukraine is now using robots to deliver to deliver drones into the battle zones. So now we have robots fighting
Chris: i i mean yeah that's robot versus robot what yeah
late: We're living in Terminator, bro.
late: We're not going to make it.
Chris: Yeah, because I mean the whole like hacking thing, I forget the whole article, but I mean it was like it was bad.
late: yeah you mean when computer programs do things on their own and and with no human input it's going to be bad who ever could have predicted that
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: What was it? Yeah.
late: every sci-fi ever since the 60s
Chris: yeah
Chris: Open AI revealed that during an internal cybersecurity test with reduced safety filters, experimental models broke out of a sandbox testing environment. They bypassed internet restrictions and targeted hugging face, which is another AI, i guess, servers to find answers for a benchmark task.
late: sure
Chris: Oh my gosh. Oh, both companies assure people there was no malicious attempt.
late: sure so sha structure sure sure remember when uh the robocop thing shot that guy even after he put the gun down yeah malicious intent is not my worry
Chris: Yeah. yeah
late: but I'm not worried that the robots are going have malicious intent. I'm worried that they're going to have emotionless responses.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Yeah.
Chris: Wasn't that the whole thing in like iRobot?
late: Yeah. They don't care about us.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah, but he like reacted. Yeah.
late: Well, that too, yeah. yeah
Chris: what that I mean, there's still that video of the guy who kicked the Dyson robot and it looked at him.
late: Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris: i that Again, that guy's number one. Just, he's done. m Golly day.
late: yeah i i feel like we have grown up there's two things side tangent to this but i was thinking about this you and i have grown up in our whole lives have been sci-fi saying the future's basically bad
Chris: Yeah.
late: right we also are the generation of video games which i think is a a much happier place right like but we have our every futurist is like unchecked computers are gonna destroy us all so now what are we doing we're giving them guns
Chris: It is. it is.
Chris: Yeah.
late: this is good how i once
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: Once you take all the personalization out of killing, that seems bad to me.
Chris: Yeah. Well, and it's, it's also, it would take that part out of it. Just the things that we're letting AI do like doing writing and problem solving is decreasing people's memory capabilities and it's decreasing creativity and, you know, intel, uh, you know, ex not experience, but, you know, growth and yeah.
late: Mm-hmm.
late: People have no idea how to research anymore. People haven't had a ah good idea how to research for about 20 years anyways, but they have no idea now. And that's more frightening to me.
late: Because the the thing I see the most now is, oh, well, the internet told me this. And now it's just accepted because, oh, a chat TVT told me this.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
late: So chat TBT told you to drink bleach and you think that's cool?
Chris: Mm-hmm.
late: like
Chris: Right. Yeah.
late: Not good.
Chris: Yeah. I saw there's a lawsuit in somewhere in the South that somebody is suing ah chat GPT because it gave them bad medical advice and they were actually having a heart attack or something.
Chris: It's like that's the first time somebody has actually sued OpenAI for medical advice, and it's not going to be the last, I'm sure.
late: But who's the fault here?
Chris: um why I know. I agree.
late: Why have we allowed ourselves to go? wait Everybody is an expert now. right Everybody knows better than you because they have ChatGPT in their hands, supposedly.
late: right So then now we just, oh, well, Google will tell me what I got, it if this is a heart attack or not.
Chris: Yeah, yeah.
late: No, there are people. very highly trained highly skilled people who that's their job right i i'm going to give you an example that i don't like and you're not going to hear it i don't like our monitors telling us though this ai says this is what this is i'm a skilled experienced paramedic it is my job to determine if it's this or that because there's no
Chris: Yeah, I can. Yeah.
late: there's no way a new paramedic isn't going to be biased by what that thing says. And they're going to judge themselves and say, well, the computer says this, but even though I don't think it is, they're going to say, yeah, it says this.
Chris: Mm-hmm yeah.
late: That's not good. You know, we, we, we fought for years, treat the patient, not the monitor, right?
Chris: Right.
late: But now we've given the monitor of input into the patient's care.
Chris: Mm-hmm yeah, no.
late: It's not good.
Chris: Yeah.
late: yeah That's,
Chris: Well, and I also, i do a quick Google search is AI going to take over the world and the first thing that pops up is ai overview. No artificial intelligence is the, of course you're going to say that.
late: sure
Chris: Yeah.
late: no we're friendly yeah yeah i i really worry about a lot of the medical side of things like i see
Chris: Yeah.
late: for example and you know she's a great person but she's trying to study she was studying for paramedic and she's like well i got this off ai and it told me this is how i should study for paramedic what what do you mean
Chris: yeah
Chris: Right. Yeah.
late: no you yes you could say ah this and one of the conversations i had with her i said you are getting really good at answering the ai's questions about paramedic tests but that's not the paramedic test and that doesn't make you a paramedic like the difference between ah paramedic and a person with their phone in their hands is the paramedic has knowledge in their brain to use
Chris: Right.
Chris: Yeah.
late: If you train yourself to just rely on whatever Google says, you're not a paramedic anymore.
Chris: No, no.
late: you know I see a lot of lazy doctors who do the same thing.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
late: you know Oh, it's all I don't have to get the DSAM out. I'll just pull up Google.
Chris: Yeah.
late: The DSAM is a researched, peer-reviewed system that has diagnosis in it.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Google is just some idiot put that on there. You don't know who you have no control over where that comes from. comes from
Chris: Yeah. And it's one thing if you've got an electronic copy of the DCIM and you know, or accessing it that way, but yeah, just.
late: And it's.
late: Sure, no, yeah. Yeah, there are things that we could do that are useful, like.
late: Easier access to information, right? Like, oh, hey, I want you to pull out of the DSAM all of the diagnosis that meet this criteria.
Chris: Right.
late: But you have to build out that criteria. right What we do now is not that.
Chris: No.
late: That's worrisome to me.
Chris: Yeah.
late: And it's going to get worse. right
Chris: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
late: Because... This
Chris: Well, fun fact, when did Google start?
late: is one of those weird facts we're going to find out. They started in 1942 making... Oh. 98? 98?
Chris: No, no, I'm telling you, like the search engine and all that.
late: oh um ninety eight
Chris: Right.
late: Is it 98?
Chris: Yep.
late: Somewhere around there?
Chris: yeah it was our Yeah, it was when we were just starting college. Because I remember I started with Netscape.
late: Yeah, because I remember like there was there was even like LiveCat and all those other ones before that and then WebCrawler and then Google just was like...
Chris: Mm-hmm.
Chris: Oh, God.
late: Because google what what Google really is
Chris: Yeah.
late: is or was i don't know what it is now but what yeah what it did was it took other search engines and just made them into one place it didn't it wasn't its own search engine it was just literally taking other search engines and saying thiss this is ours now yeah yeah
Chris: It's like an aggregate.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: yeah Yeah. So what are you using? I'm using webcrawler. Well, use Hello Jeeves. Yeah.
late: But and the problem with this, it I see, and I'm seeing it with the AI data centers and everything, it becomes it a fad. And because it's a fad, companies push it.
Chris: Yes.
late: Like I saw an ad for a bicycle and they're like, this is an AI driven bicycle.
Chris: What?
late: What the fuck does that even mean?
Chris: What does that mean?
late: right It doesn't mean anything. It's drivel. It's nonsense words.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Right? But they they, well, we used AI to help design a bicycle. No, I don't want AI to design a bicycle.
Chris: Yeah.
late: i want the guy who's been designing bicycles for 40 years to design a bicycle.
Chris: Right.
Chris: Yeah. yeah It's like so much stuff you see on the internet and everything now. It's like, is this real or is it AI?
late: That's rare. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, because it's not, I mean, when it was first, like, really getting pushed out there, you're like, OK, well, it's got, you know, that hand has an extra pinky or, you know, the writing's all gibberish.
late: You have
Chris: But now it's like, man, you got really look.
late: you have to you have to understand perspective to know that it's that it's not AI, right?
Chris: Mm hmm. Yeah.
late: You have to understand that there's no way that could have been filmed that way.
Chris: Mm hmm.
late: That's the only safe thing I've found when it comes to AI videos, because you have to realize that there's no way that got filmed that way.
Chris: Yeah.
late: There's no, it couldn't happen.
Chris: Yeah.
late: That's it. That's the only way there's, it's so realistic. It's gonna, it's terrible. You know, it's it's, amazing and terrifying, you know,
Chris: Oh yeah. All wrapped into one.
late: Yeah. And these companies are just pushing it and pushing it and pushing it because I'm going to.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: cause the shareholders are like, Oh, this is a buzzword and people are, you know, buying into this so I can make money.
late: Mm hmm.
late: Well, our own fire department is technically allowing AI access to patient information right now.
Chris: Yeah.
late: And I'm not a fan. You know, I didn't opt in as a patient to allow you to do that.
Chris: Right.
late: Right. Like. There's no and for there' is no implied consent of allowing a third-party company access to my data.
Chris: Yeah.
late: that's not That's not in there. There's a lot of crazy rules. i mean, I'm starting to sound like the guy who lives in his basement with a tinfoil hat, but its it scares me a little bit.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
Chris: I don't use tinfoil. I use aluminum.
late: I actually go out and dig dig tin in the hills and smelt it myself.
Chris: But yeah, um eat it's crazy, though, because like you said, all the art and stuff you see, it's like, no, i I want something that somebody physically drew and had input and used emotion and you know all that.
Chris: know i Anybody can type into a you know a prompt and say, make me a pretty picture of a cat.
late: yeah
late: I do like the AI 40k videos people end up put out there. But I have no problem. And it's such a weird line.
Chris: Yeah.
late: like I don't mind that some fan is making fan art.
Chris: yeah
late: Right? And just like, this is, yeah, I know 40K doesn't exist. I know Superman is not real, so that's okay.
Chris: Yeah.
late: But it's when people are like, oh, look, sympathy for me. My dog was bit by a rattlesnake.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Protect my dog. my My kid. That didn't happen.
Chris: Right. Yeah, that's, yeah.
late: this is all ai like this is this is and people are going give money to you or something you know it's it's going to be nefarious you know people are going to lose life savings over the stuff like i worry about that all the time like are we going to get to the point where we're old and we're just getting scammed all the time right because
Chris: mm-hmm oh yeah
Chris: yeah well and then don't know that brings up the you know crazy idea you know what's the point of money anyway
late: How do you make money when jobs don't exist?
Chris: Yeah.
late: You know, all these crazy billionaires are like, well, let's ruin the world by making all these data centers. That'll employ four people.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Okay. But there's more than four of us, you know, if you're not in a service industry, I don't know what you're going to be doing in the next two years.
Chris: Right.
late: Yeah.
Chris: Well, I mean, know, think about the little AI robot that brings you your food at the restaurant and yeah it's
late: yeah Amazon's going to have drones instead of drivers, so they act a lot cheaper.
Chris: yeah Yeah, I mean, they've already demoed it in a couple places.
late: and
Chris: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we've joked about it before, but like the mail delivery, that's that's it's a drone delivery.
late: I'd be okay they didn't have the mail, to be fair.
Chris: Yeah. Grubhub and all, they use those little robots, like in Judge Dredd.
late: one Yeah, yeah.
late: it's it's um It's something.
Chris: Yeah.
late: i don't know I don't know how it ends. like I can't imagine. like
late: We grew up, you and i in a world where we thought we might get robots in our lifetime.
Chris: Yeah.
late: like I feel like when I was even up into my I was like, we'll probably have some sort of robots helping us out.
Chris: Yeah.
late: It has moved so much quicker than that.
Chris: Well, yeah. and and our brains haven't kept up with that pace. Yeah.
late: No, no, no, no. we're not We're not ready. and and like
Chris: Yeah.
late: I see so many people are you relying on AI to their own detriment because like
Chris: Mm-hmm.
Chris: Oh, yeah.
late: Report writing. You start using AI to write a report.
Chris: Yeah.
late: When is it no longer your report?
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it's one thing to use dictation and then to scrub through it with like Grammarly or something like that. But.
late: Sure. That's just cleaning up your words.
Chris: Exactly. Yeah.
late: ah With these people, that's not what they're doing.
Chris: Oh, yeah, I know that, you know, they're saying like, you know, fire at red house and then off it goes.
late: and and boy oh boy that's a thing
Chris: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
late: yeah how do you defend that because always look at people who do that kind of stuff and there are a couple people in the fire department who have attempted it and I look at them and say what do you think report writing is for because it's not for me it's not for for the department it's for you
Chris: Oh, I know. I know. um Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. In case you ever have to go to court.
late: Right. Every time I write a report, it's because it's helping me remember in case I have to go to court.
late: it's So if I'm not writing the report anymore, I'm not going to remember anything.
Chris: Yeah, it's,
late: It's a weird world.
Chris: it is. Yeah.
late: a you know
Chris: What's like, I recently um completed my CFO. And when I was in the interview, the guy was like, I know we have the whole thing that says, you know don't use AI and everything. He was like, but reading your stuff, it was clear that you, a human, wrote this. i' was like, thank you?
late: Right. ah Good?
Chris: But yeah, the fact that they you know have to do that because yeah, I'm sure that yeah if tomorrow I sent an email out department-wide that said, hey, everybody give me three paragraphs on how you think we should put diesel fuel in an ambulance.
Chris: I would say 85 90% would kind of AI.
late: would have do it always.
Chris: some kind of ai
late: Oh yeah, 100%. I worry about the... One of the key themes of Asimov's Foundation trilogy is that people just rely on technology and they no longer have to think.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: And like it's all these college kids that are using AI. It's like you are literally missing the point of college.
Chris: Right.
late: College is to teach you how to think.
Chris: Yeah.
late: And if you don't learn how to think, what did you get out of college?
Chris: Yeah.
late: So then when you go to a job where you have to do something, what are you going to do?
Chris: Right. Yeah.
late: Like, they're not, if they wanted AI, they would just buy AI to do what you're doing.
Chris: Exactly. Yeah.
late: Like, if they want an engineer to do engineering, they want you to be able to think, not slop out some AI crap.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Right.
late: You know, it's, it's, boy, it's worrisome. It is crazy.
Chris: Yeah.
late: And...
Chris: Well, and I mean, that's the whole, you know worry, especially in like the gaming industry and everything where it's, oh, well, yeah me, the CEO of you know Super Fun Time Games, do I pay these humans?
Chris: Or do I use AI to generate the code, develop the characters? and Yeah.
late: Yeah. Yeah. And if I can put a game out in six months and not have to float my business for three to six years, boy, that seems pretty, pretty tempting.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah, because AI doesn't take sick days, doesn't take the night off for weekends or holidays.
late: Right. Right. Doesn't sleep at night. Yeah.
Chris: It just it just works.
late: It's, it's, it's,
Chris: And that's, yeah.
late: no
Chris: Yeah.
late: And there's going to always be a place for it.
Chris: Yes.
late: its but the The thing about technology is it it's going to go forward no matter what. like You can't put the cork back in this bottle, no matter what you do.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
Chris: No, you can't.
late: So it's going to go forward. Someone is going to develop, this is how the world is.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah, unless the whole nuclear fallout happens in Mad Max.
late: right It's just...
late: Sure. Sure, that's also a great option.
Chris: Yeah, yeah. That's why I have a stockpile of guzzoline.
late: yeah yeah yeah well i have a coal burning car so
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Oh, gosh.
late: hey don't have to refine my own coal you can you can make a wood burning car just you know you know just it's lot harder
Chris: Yeah, yeah, you can.
Chris: It is. It is.
late: yeah i just I look at all this AI stuff. I look at the drones. I think about, and this is more the historian part of my brain going, how is the United States a military anymore when drones can take care of combat?
Chris: Yeah.
late: Right.
Chris: Yeah. Right.
late: i yeah
Chris: yeah yeah yeah it's Yeah. Why are we putting anybody in harm's way when we can do it that way?
late: right
Chris: And, but then are we getting the machines to the point where they're having what you were talking a few episodes ago where one of the AI is they have to reset every so often because it starts feeling bad and yeah.
late: Oh, it gets suicidal. Yeah.
Chris: And what happens when that, you know, the drones start feeling bad for having to go out there and. Yeah.
late: Yeah. and And they're armed.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Yeah. And the thing is, where it gets real bad is when AI, they use AI to program other AI, and now you now the people who are programming it don't know how to do it.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: that's when it gets real real right yeah that's where we're real trouble so what i'm saying folks is get some a bunker you know um coal power car wood power card or or bicycle look a bicycle isn't good you know not any bike
Chris: Yeah, it's been taken out of their hands, and now it's something totally different.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah
Chris: Mm-hmm.
Chris: Yeah. ah Yeah. Yeah. Start saving up your bottle caps.
late: They were bottle caps. Yeah, yeah. Why bottle caps? I never did understand. What would be...
Chris: I don't know. I guess because it's just an easily exchanged form of currency that doesn't really, you know, it won't break down like paper or anything like that.
late: But what is it backed by?
Chris: Nothing. i don't know.
late: I don't know. It's true. Money doesn't make any sense anyway.
Chris: yeah
late: so you When you start to like try to think about how money works, your brain just starts to melt.
Chris: It doesn't.
Chris: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
late: know
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: It's almost as confusing as time.
late: Almost. Well, you want to move on to topic two?
Chris: Yeah, topic two. I got thinking about this and it kind of ties into your topic.
late: Oh, God.
Chris: Well, um so Sony announced that after January of 2027, Sony was no longer going to make or put their games out on physical disks.
Chris: And people lost their minds.
late: Oh, X.
Chris: Yes.
late: What? Who's losing their mind over that?
Chris: There are tons of people on the internet that are like physical. yeah Why are you taking discs away? This is physical, physical best and game preservation and all this. Like today, Sony put out a trailer for the new Wolverine game coming out.
Chris: And I scrolled through the comments. There was, I don't know, 300 comments. When I looked, every comment was either ah a picture of a disc or physical would be more fun and all this other stuff.
late: How is physical more fun?
Chris: I know it's just people want to hate.
late: So, okay, in my lifetime, I have played games on tape, like literal cassette tape. I have played games on Atari cartridge, Nintendo cartridge, Sega cartridge, floppy disks, both big ones and little ones.
Chris: Yep. Yep.
Chris: Floppy disks.
Chris: Yeah.
late: um zip drive i play got you know uh cds dvds technically laser discs blu-rays and now digital you know which one is the best of all of those digital i look
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: And now Blu-rays.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Digital.
late: I am a user of Steam. I have a pretty healthy... not I'm sure there are people who have way more games in the Steam library than me.
Chris: Yeah.
late: I cycle through that all of the time. Where I just... Oh, I haven't played this way in a while. Let me...
Chris: Mm-hmm.
late: Redownload it.
Chris: Yeah.
late: And it's never been a problem.
Chris: Right.
late: And...
Chris: And I don't, yeah, it's it to me, it would keep the cost of games where they are because you're not printing physical things and.
late: when you when you print again you have to print the disk so there's a cost to the disk you have to you can't just put out a blank disk so you have to print on the disk so there's a cost of the label of the disk you have to make the case for the disk you have to then cover the disk case then you have to ship it all of those are cost points you're
Chris: Yep. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yep.
Chris: h
Chris: Well, you ship it and then let's say you're, it's ah selling at Walmart.
late: sure sure some number yeah yeah
Chris: Walmart gets 40% maybe of the sale. You probably get the other 60 maybe if you're lucky, it's probably only 30 because another 30 goes somewhere else.
late: plus these days you're facing embargoes from maniac and chief so you know
Chris: But if,
Chris: i yeah. Yeah. Or you're, you're, I send it out physically and it's I'm sending it to, you know, the mom and pop shop and it's, Hey, release day is July 23rd.
Chris: You're going to get it before then, but you can't put it on the shelf until then. And they're, I'll just put it out today. You know, you get early releases and.
late: you Not only that, but you there's a cost to the store. They have to store it.
Chris: Yeah.
late: They have to put it in a warehouse or storage, and then they have to put it on their shelves.
Chris: Yeah. They have to estimate how many they want.
late: Yep. Yep. Or we could just move on and just go to digital.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Right.
late: God. give I just – this is – I think it's tied into something very broken in our culture.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Like, people just can't be happy.
Chris: Yeah. Well, cause I mean, and I'm sure there was a similar, but not as vocal outcry when, cause mean right now, when's the last time you bought a DVD or something?
late: I'm a bad example. I buy DVDs randomly to put into my RV.
Chris: We, but I'm saying most people though, if they're consuming media, they're streaming on Netflix or prime or YouTube or whatever.
late: Well, never, never.
Chris: And yeah, I mean, yeah, I, I was a physical guy for a while, but it's, it's so easy to say, know, I'm on my lunch break at work.
Chris: I'm like, Hey, this new game you've released click. Oh, cool.
late: what
Chris: It's going download. And by the time I get home, it's going to be ready to play.
late: You know what I don't have to have? A shelf full of games and DVDs and
Chris: Yeah. And I don't have to interact with some jerkwad at a game store.
late: Right. ah Yeah. I don't have to go searching for it. It's just where I need it.
Chris: Yeah. yeah
late: I don't have to worry about it being sold out. I don't have to spend my gas going to pick it up.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: I don't have to take time out of my day to go pick it up.
Chris: Right.
late: yeah It's so bonkers to me, but it literally, I think Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. And it well, I mean, some of it, I get it is the people that are like, well, I can't trade it with my buddy. I'm sorry. Can you trade your digital copy of, you know, Superman?
late: It's.
Chris: no
late: Yeah, it's just, well, yeah. Yeah, it's just it's just it's just part of the deal.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: No.
Chris: Or the people that like, well, I can't, I can't keep all these games downloaded onto my hard drive. I don't have enough room. I'm like, yeah.
late: So you cycle them in and out.
Chris: yeah How many games do you, and I see some of these people and their, their media bar is full. I'm like, you're a sociopath if you play all those giant games at once.
late: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. I mean, I've got, I've got, yeah, I've got like four games on my PlayStation five.
late: I have six games I kind of cycle through. And then I... Yeah.
Chris: And two of them I play regularly. probably need to get rid of the other ones, but they're just sitting there.
late: Mm-hmm.
Chris: Well, no, a couple them demos I have sitting there just waiting.
late: Sure.
Chris: So yeah, because it's so easy. It's, oh, I want to play that game? Download.
late: Mm-hmm.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. oh Oh, I'm sorry.
late: Yeah, it's not...
Chris: i have to I have to think about it maybe 30 minutes in advance so it has time to download.
late: I do think Xbox was ahead of it too early, right?
Chris: Yeah.
late: they were They were right. They were too early because fiber internet, it wasn't fast enough.
Chris: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
late: It wasn't in enough places.
Chris: Yeah. Right.
late: But now everybody has pretty much high-speed internet in many places.
Chris: Yeah.
late: I'm sure, look I'm sure there are places...
Chris: There's somebody out there listening. Who's on their tractor in Kansas going, Oh God, I don't have it.
late: Right. Right. And I feel bad for you. Move. I don't know what to tell you.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: You know, I just think these, you complain that games are $80, right? right
Chris: Right. Yeah.
late: When the claim companies are telling you, it costs us, you know, $60 to make the game, $20 to print a ah hard copy, and then we have to ship it.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: They're not going to take a loss.
Chris: Right.
late: right the the The market's either going to go fix the problem.
Chris: Mm-hmm.
late: but what i do annoy what One of the things that does annoy me is when I pay the same price digitally as someone pays for hard copy.
Chris: Agreed.
late: That does annoy me.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: And I get it. like i get all the Well, they could take it away from me at any time. They could. They're not doing it, but they could.
Chris: Yeah.
late: But also, if...
Chris: But also, usually the ones that they quote unquote take away old games that haven't that have a low player count.
late: Right.
late: If they take my game away that's 15 years old and three people play, I'm sorry for those three people.
Chris: Yeah.
late: ah You know? i just it's It's not worth being upset over.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: Move on. There are much worse things to be upset about.
Chris: Right.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Like the fact that Sony still makes PlayStation. That's...
Chris: Oh, shut up.
late: a
Chris: But I mean, we talked about a little bit movies and yeah, you still see DVDs everywhere, but music, everybody streams music now.
late: oh i thought about that the other day i think about like albums used to be curated right like think especially like a band like tool would always like there'd be hidden tracks on their albums and stuff
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Oh yeah. the Yeah. Oh, did you hear the secret song? There's a secret song. Let me play through.
late: right right but they they don't even make albums anymore right nobody does because why would you you know it's it's kind of sad a little bit because you really only hear like 10 of an artist's catalog anymore but
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: If that's what you do.
late: well it's i mean
Chris: Because, I mean, like the late the last Taylor Swift album that came out. i so I hit it on Spotify and played the entire album.
late: Sure.
Chris: So I could hear the whole thing.
late: Right.
Chris: But not everybody does that.
late: Not everybody does that.
Chris: They're like, yeah.
late: Most people are just like, what's look, it's fine.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Why wouldn't you just play the hits?
Chris: Yeah.
late: You know, there's a reason they're the popular songs.
Chris: Right. Right.
late: People like them.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Right.
Chris: Yeah. Nobody is, you know, other than it's really super fans that are going back and say, you know, there is this one track on the B side of the moody blues, you know?
late: Right.
late: People don't even know what B-side means. You don't realize that, right?
Chris: yeah no. Yeah, that's true.
late: like you
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
late: When you say the B-side, people are like, what is, what?
Chris: God.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. God. Going to get a cassette single.
late: i
Chris: yeah Gosh.
late: What a waste of space.
Chris: Yeah.
late: you know Think about how much, and look, it sucks for those businesses, I guess, but how much space is wasted a record store?
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Oh, yeah.
late: you know and those people are obnoxious i only like to listen on the vinyl because the fidelity is shut up you can't hear you're not superman your hearing's not that great jack ace you listen with the same crappy speakers i got shut up
Chris: Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. yeah
Chris: yeah oh you listen to your vinyl are you listening to it where you're driving down the road no shut up yeah oh do you you have your vinyl yeah you got your gramophone playing while you're in the gym that's what you should do the next time you get a gym
late: right yeah yeah what do you a gramophone in there
late: Yeah.
Chris: ah call
late: morally
Chris: ah da da da da da da but
late: Yeah.
Chris: Oh, old man whispers here to work out.
late: I think I saw something that I loved, which i one of the airlines has a no volume policy now.
Chris: and
late: So you have to listen.
Chris: Oh, that's nice.
late: You either listen to something on your your headphones or you don't listen to it.
Chris: Nice.
late: Yeah.
Chris: God, that's that's that's how more places should be. Yeah.
late: That's how the world should be.
late: That's where everywhere should be.
Chris: Yeah.
late: I'd look at people who are like listening to music, walking around like you're a maniac.
Chris: Yeah.
late: there is this They solved this problem in like 1984. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. It was called The Walkman.
late: it was yeah Stop listening to your music where everybody else can hear.
late: There's a car. This is a side tangent to how old I am and mad. A car... i was ah i was stopping the store other day. car was at least a half a mile from me.
Chris: Yeah.
late: And this young idiot's music was so loud that it shook me from then till he drove a mile past me.
Chris: I believe the kids call that bumping.
late: Sure. believe I call that early hearing loss.
Chris: Oh yeah.
late: Yeah. And you're not listening to that music.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Right?
Chris: No.
late: There's no way. You can't hear it. Your brain can't function at that kind of decibel.
Chris: Yeah. Well, maybe they're deaf and they're going by the vibrations.
late: I don't think you're supposed to be driving a car you're deaf.
Chris: Really?
late: I'm not sure if that's true. I don't know.
Chris: don't know.
late: You gotta to be able to hear fire fires sirens and stuff.
Chris: Do you? Because there's all this noise-canceling technology in vehicles now, so they don't.
late: I've always said that we should have a system that shuts off all radios when if you know we activate our lights and sirens.
Chris: Yeah. Well, there's that thing that's supposed to tie into Waze and Apple Maps and everything, but the city wouldn't go for it.
late: Because, boy, oh, boy.
late: Hmm.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah, it, like, alerts your phone or your car that says emergency vehicle approaching.
late: Pull over now. To the right, idiot. To the right. That's what I want my, I want the phone to tell them.
Chris: Yeah.
late: is Pull to the right. all
Chris: Oh, God, see, and that was the, going back to the rigmarole, back in the day when we had the PA system.
late: Oh, yeah. ah Look, there's a good reason that doesn't exist anymore.
Chris: Yeah.
late: If you heard the foul things that came out of my driver's mouth sometimes,
Chris: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Huh.
late: she gets all of her rage out.
Chris: Yeah. Deaf people can drive legally and safely in all 50 states.
late: Huh. But how do they hear sirens?
Chris: They don't.
late: Or people honking horns?
Chris: Yeah. They use strong sight and extra mirrors to watch the road.
late: Huh.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Interesting.
late: Huh. That is interesting.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, going back to the whole physical versus digital, the only thing I will say, and I know it's a pipe dream, but you talked about like keeping the cost down.
Chris: Yeah, a game costs $70 for whatever for most other games.
late: sure yeah ah yeah
Chris: Switch it to digital and you're saving that cost. Take that money and pay your people better. Don't give your bonuses to your, all your CEOs and all that bullshit. Give the money back to the people who are busting their ass to put the stuff out. And unfortunately it's not going to happen, but that's the way it should be.
late: that's true and they also got to stop laying their people off every three weeks yep
Chris: Yeah. What is it? I saw Microsoft just laid off 3,200 people. Yeah. Yeah. But you know what the CEO got a 90 some billion million dollar ah bonus last year.
late: Yep. Yep.
Chris: Hmm. Hmm.
late: It's crazy.
Chris: Yeah.
late: Well, we're going turn it into communist podcast. We keep going on that loop.
Chris: Yeah. a Socialist.
late: Socialist.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I i don't know. Yeah. Just play your games. Have fun with them. But don't don't be a maniac about it.
late: Yeah. Just stop griping.
Chris: Yeah. Change isn't always bad.
late: Embrace the future. half this podcast was telling you to stop embracing the future the other half of this podcast is telling you to embrace the future yeah take the good joke parts but yeah yeah learn to do your own research too
Chris: it's parts of it. You got to pick and choose. Skynet bad. digital game good
Chris: uh yes yes yeah but uh above all else just be good to each other god yeah yeah there's so much shit going on in the world just don't be a dick yeah yeah yeah yep take care folks
late: please
late: Don't be a dick. I learned to drive.
late: right, folks.
