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Chapter 11
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Doctor Prescribed! This week Dr. Val invites Lindsey Butler, a pharmacist who’s worked with Dr. Val for over a year! Lindsey comes back from the future to share her unique perspective with Dave!
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Introduction of Lindsay Butler and Dr. Val's Program
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Hey everybody, Dr. Val has brought another guest this week. Her name is Lindsay Butler and she's a pharmacist, but also a Dr. Val disciple for over a year now. So she's going to have a pretty unique perspective on things and I'm excited to find out what the future holds. What will she share with us? Let's find out together. It's chapter 11 of Dr. Val Saves Dave.
Dave's Journey to Fitness at 50
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Hey everybody, have you heard the news? Dave's turning 50 and he's got the blues. He's out of shape and this is true. He needs help, he has no clue. He grabs his phone and she can't quit. Taco Bell will do her trick. She'll be tough, there's no free pass. Come on, Dave, get off your ass! Dr. Val, can you save Dave? He's quite alive. Do you think that he'll behave? I believe not. Or do you think he will cave? Listen, and he's back in school! It's his body but it's Dr. Val's rules. It's his body but it's Dr. Val's rules.
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And welcome back everybody to chapter 11 of Dr. Val Saves. Dave, good morning, doctor. Good morning. And I understand, first of all, let me just go ahead and let you know that I have hovered at 199.6 pounds as of this morning, which is a full week of skittering right around the old double century mark. So things are in, I'm doing okay. I feel good. You know, things are fine. So enough about me. Well, wait, wait, wait. We have to celebrate that because you've lost 20 pounds. Correct.
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Over 20 pounds. To 0.4 currently. There we go. I was 198.6 is the new low, so I'm still, I've gained a pound. And when was the last time you were that weight? ah a week ago.
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Oh good, success. 20 some years. It's been a while, but but yeah, I think we touched on that last week or we may have covered the fact that we've broken the barrier. If we didn't, yes, I've broken the 200 barrier. It's exciting. um it's It's a challenge to keep up these new routines. It really is. Um, as you manage life and, and you're not always in charge of your schedule. So I'm not, I'm not getting my five stickers every day, but I definitely rally. I'm not letting it run away from me. Um, and I'm doing my best for, you know, uh, for a, for a guy, the difference in where I was five months ago, yeah you know, before we started to where I am now is remarkable. And, uh, I just feel so much younger. yeah It's ah amazing. So even when I'm failing, I'm failing upwards.
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that's and Showbiz is the key. But enough about me. We have a guest today, and I can't wait.
Lindsay's Health Transformation with Dr. Val
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So far, your guests, Mark von Muser and David Thunder. I mean, I'm still recovering from what David's done to me, but my toes, boy, they can dance now. and So I can't wait to find out who today's guest is, what we're going to learn. I'm ready to have my mind blown. ah Well, that is a good thing because we have with us today the fantastic, the spectacular, the beautiful, the amazing, wonderful Lindsay Butler. And you are going to be so blown away by this woman. um I am and constantly am being blown away by her. She is absolutely incredible.
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Not only is she fantastic, she is a mom. She is a wife. She is a career woman. She has a fantastic degree. She's a pharmacist. ah So she's going to have a wonderful perspective for us. um So she has been through a lot of what you've been through. And ah she also has that perspective from the pharmaceutical industry that she's going to bring to the table today. So Lindsay, thank you for taking the time to be here with us today. Hi, Lindsay. Welcome. Hi. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. ah Doc said you've been through a lot of what I've been through. Pray tell. Yes. So I um started with Dr. Val last summer um on the verge of me turning 40. So I turned 40 this month. And you look fantastic.
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Thank you. Haven't been at this weight for a decade. um So it's been very exciting. So um a lot of what started my journey um outside of um I had a sister get married, I wanted to look better for her and I wanted to feel better in my forties, but I have psoriatic arthritis and one of the medications I take for it, I just, it makes me feel like crap. and I really wanted to find a different way to um manage my psoriatic arthritis without these medications. And I didn't think it was possible um until I met Dr. Val. So that's kind of what started this journey. Here we go. This is ah interesting already. So wait a minute. This is like a soap opera now. You work at a pharmacy? You're a pharmacist? I'm a pharmacist, yes. I know. My mind's still blown by it.
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Okay, i have questions you have answers okay so first of all, tell me a bit about soiatic ah or the psoriarthritis that you have. yeah Yeah, so it's an inflammatory condition, um autoimmune. so ah My body is creating a lot of inflammation in my body. um It causes my joints to hurt. And then I also get patches of psoriasis across my body, usually in my hair. um But what I noticed last year, I changed jobs to what I thought was a less stressful job, as I usually have flares when I'm in high stress situations. And my flares were happening more and more. And I just... um
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they wanted to add more meds to my regimen. And I had just wasn't interested in that. And so I started looking at um different ways. um A lot of these medications have side effects. And um i was I'm experiencing like extra anxiety, maybe a little depression that I i know is from the meds versus um how I felt without them. And I started reading a lot of things about um how food can impact that, different other ways. um And then I have a mindset coach that both Dr. Val and I have worked with. And she had started on a journey with Dr. Val and was just seeing amazing results. And so that's kind of how we got connected, actually got connected two years ago. And it took me a whole year to finally pull the trigger and say, I need her help.
00:07:12
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Um, but what we found as you know, with all the testing, she loves to, to poke and prod your body to get some results. But, um, really found that most of the foods that I was eating that I thought were healthy, good for me, chicken, um, fruits that my body was actually reacting to and causing a ton of inflammation in my body. And so that, coupled with marathritis, was just wreaking havoc.
00:07:49
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on my life. Reckon have it on your life. Exactly. and And now that I've met you, I'm starting to think that Dr. Val has a Frankenstein lab where she's making a new person out of all the blood she takes from us. Cause she keeps saying, I just need to test something else now. Do you mind if I take a bunch of vials of your blood and test you for this? So I'm pretty sure there's something more to what's happening. Clone, orphan black. But so you've been working with her for a year now, you say? Yeah, coming up about 10 months. Yeah. And so how do you feel compared to 10 months ago? I feel like a whole new person. So, so first of all, she took away everything you like to eat, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah So everything you've ever enjoyed eating, she said, don't do that anymore. She said no gluten, no sugar, no dairy. Yeah. That was just the start. Yeah. And how miserable was that first couple of weeks?
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It was miserable. Yes. And then she made this like concoction that I have to have in the morning. Did you have a concoction? yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One of her Frankenstein potions. I don't know if it's to thin us down or fatten us up or whatever she uses us for later when she's done with us. It rubs the lotion on his skin. That's right.
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yes She makes me weigh myself and tell her, no, not ready yet. I know, right? Just keep not eating. so um And you said you're a mother. Do you have multiple kids, one kid? I do. Yeah. I have three little kids, nine, six, and four. Okay. So that first couple of weeks where you're changing what you ate, how much did that flip your house and your life upside down? Yes, it definitely flipped a lot of things. So thankfully, my husband is is awesome and decided to do this journey with me. um His ah results weren't as bad. So he could eat a lot of things, but he decided to go full on with me. So he doesn't get to have garlic. There's no spices in my house, no pepper, no. Because I react to everything. So um yeah, the first few weeks were where definitely tough.
00:10:01
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um and Getting used to that, the headache and the, yeah. That's what happens when you detox, so it's just be really clear. So for those people who are listening, ah if you're having a severe detox reaction, you can get a headache. It's not that, you know, I'm starving people and they get a headache because their blood sugar level drops. I was painting a really bad picture right now for like, you're going to feel awful. But here's the thing, like, Lindsay, you have come so far. And yeah I would love for you to share that aspect of your journey, because how good you feel, how much it's impacted your life, the quality of your life, what it was before. Yeah, we'll get to that, doc.
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We'll get to the part where we all feel amazing and yah, yah, yah. I'm finally commiserate. Look, Lindsay, let's meet up in a church basement somewhere so we could speak freely yeah about what Dr. L's done to us. We both feel amazing, I know, and we're going to celebrate you, but give us a minute, okay? You don't know what we've been through. okay Well, yeah, I do. You have you don't remember. you you You have doves awaken you every morning. We live in a state of bliss. We were in the trenches. yeah We had all this where food taken away from us. You did. When did you, and don't worry, this ends with us feeling great and telling everybody how great we feel. But those first couple weeks, I remember they're hard and I haven't been able to talk to anybody who's been through this. So ah I have a ton of pharmacy questions too. We'll get to those, I hope.
00:11:37
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But like, why didn't we just take, no, no, I'm not i going to sidebar, i table that question, Your Honour, with John. Yes. um How many weeks in would you say, and I assume you're like me, you started out with doing the morning potions and then trying to manage the diet and then you started to feel a little better? And so then you did some new tests and then you committed to, she started removing more foods. Yes. And the diet got streamlined. So how long for you, for someone who has access to all of these ah prescription medications and is choosing to go this route, how long and how are you able, how long did it take you to see results ah regarding your arthritic condition based on shifting to this method and how did you stay patient through that?
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Uh, uh, tell us a bit about that part of the journey. Yeah. So I had, so we started at like the end of July and right after Memorial Day or labor day in September. um I had labs drawn by my rheumatologist. So within like four weeks of starting the diet, I was actually like on the verge of a normal range for my inflammatory markers, which was the first time in a decade that they've ever been even close to that range. So I was seeing results within a matter of weeks just, and I could tell just in my fingers, like my ring was fitting looser. ah The swelling was going down. So that helped be more encouraging for me to continue it.
00:13:09
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Um, and it took a lot of, the best thing I liked about Dr. Valley, she does like food. So she like helps you find different ways. So she would pull up recipes and be like, okay, we could make this, but we need to adjust this and let's try this that you can have. Um, so that helped make it a little easier to incorporate some of these, these new foods. And so, so you were seeing results in about a month and then did it just continue to progress after that? Yep, yep, so I just have had my six month follow up in March, and now I'm at the low end of normal out for my inflammatory markers, which oh kind of blew my rheumatologist's mind. ah that And with that, my injection, which I usually take every other week, I'm taking every four weeks now. wow So I've been able to extend that and still see.
00:14:05
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this reduction. So here you go, doc. Here's the part where we can talk about how amazing the results are. Yes. Well, yes, I think the most amazing thing is, is the quality of life that you've gotten back with your kids. Because when we first started working together, and you didn't have the energy and that to be able to be with your kids in the way that you wanted to. And so your children were missing you in their lives. And now I want you to tell everything that you're doing with your kids. And let's celebrate that because that's that's the big win. it I love that you've lost weight. I love that you're looking fantastic and we can go down
The Impact of Personalized Dietary Adjustments on Health
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that whole route about bathing suit shopping because that was a ton of fun. um but But it's the quality with the kids for me. That's the big win. Yeah. Yeah. So I always take, you know, ah in the afternoon I would have an afternoon crash.
00:14:58
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um By the time I got home to hang out with the kids, it was just like, let them do whatever they want so I can sit on the couch and relax from the the long day. ah And a lot of those results, the testing, the food that I thought I was eating healthy. So ah typically for lunch, I was having like a smoothie, like a fruit smoothie with coconut, water that I thought was this great thing for me. and then Dr. Powell was like, actually, that's terrible for you. Pure sugar. Coconut water is pure sugar. Pure sugar. That's what she said to me. Pure sugar. No, I made a conscious effort to pick something healthier. I know, like balsamic vinegar. Yeah. Which used to be the healthy thing I thought, and then nope, pure sugar. What? Oh, Dave, when she was beating you up on that call about...
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I was like, Oh, been there. Yeah. And the peanuts. She's and the peanuts. And you asked about peanuts. And I was just like, here we go. You weren't eating the peanuts, were you? Oh, you must've gotten so much. No, I mean, no, not now. Of course I was. Of course I was eating the peanuts. Yeah. Peanut butter on my banana was great.
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That's my favorite. I miss it so much. It sounds so healthy. People talk about it out there like, oh, I'm having peanut butter on banana because I'm healthy. And I'm like, ah it's not, I guess. yeah just But it was amazing. Yeah. yeah i Cutting out some of those foods or just making the changes. So you said something earlier too, which I think is interesting. Well, more interesting for our listeners probably to consider because all we've heard my journey throughout. Now I eat so much chicken, I think I'm going to cluck every day when I wake up now, because I just live on it. But she she took chicken away from you.
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Is that what you said? She took chicken away from me. Yeah. so So here's a great thing. So we tested differently. So Doc doesn't have a one size fits all approach, which I knew and which we've discussed. But so chicken was bad for you based on just the test results, the blood work or? Yeah. Yeah. It was one of my highest like inflammatory sensitivity test things. um And so when I think I'm having a You would eat a lot of chicken previous to knowing that, of course, right? Correct. Yeah. So like have a salad chicken on my salad. Of course. Yeah. So what did you, what did you find out you could eat that you wouldn't have thought that was great for you and that you enjoy now? Yeah. So, um, turkey. Um, so I'm doing a lot of ground turkey and then we played with a bunch of different seasonings to make it feel like tacos. Nice. Um, and so now I have a taco salad.
00:17:41
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ish without any dressing. um but with peppers and onions. More tacos. More tacos. Yum. Because if I find out you get tortilla chips, I'm going to be excited for the future. We can't have corn. No. No. no Forget corn, right? No chips. Right. I had a ground turkey with onions, avocado, and hummus for breakfast now. That's my breakfast because I'm not allowed any officially breakfast foods. Nothing that identifies as breakfast.
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ah i'm I'm not allowed to eat any of it. So I have lunch, I have dinner for breakfast and dinner for dinner. Yeah. yeah yeah sir um yeah I'm assuming that there were times your diet got so restricted that it was, you could you eat in restaurants? Did you even try? Was there a stretch where you gave up? Yeah, I would say for a couple of months, we definitely did not, but um I travel a lot for my job. so so I also did the airport scavenger hunt. So hard, right? And found nothing. Were you allowed eggs? Could you have the hard-boiled egg? Yes, thankfully, but no offense to those hard-boiled eggs in the package, but there's still something wrong with that one. Why are the packages so hard to open, too? That is the toughest package to open on the planet. It's the two-pack hard-boiled eggs. You can't even get a fork, not a plastic fork that they give you.
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But this is going to be on me science-wise, so I'm going to turn it over to you. How come she could eat eggs but not chicken? Isn't, aren't eggs chickens on their way? So at what point did the eggs stop being okay now that they're chickens? How the hell does that work? So the protein that is in the egg white and the protein that is in the chicken look very different. To who? To your immune system. aha That's the key part. Yeah, so when we take a look at a lot of the testing, what we're looking at is how your immune system is recognizing that that food or not recognizing the food. So for most people, when they eat a food,
00:19:53
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their body doesn't have an immune response to it. So for you two, and for many people on the planet, yeah they have food sensitivities, food intolerances, where the immune system looks at that piece of food and says, hey, this isn't food. This is a virus or a bacteria. This is something that I've got to defend myself against. So we can look and we can measure those those antibodies, the the immune response towards that particular food. So for you, Dave, you your body looks at an egg and goes, forget it, but it looks at a chicken and goes, oh, that's okay. and so That's chicken. First of all, my body looks at everything and goes, I could handle that and I want it.
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ah your immune system. Let's be really clear. My body goes, yeah, more everything. No, your immune system is not happy with eggs. Yeah, but I didn't speak to it before. so and i probably I still don't you translate. Yep. That's there we go. yep But for Lindsay, it was the the opposite, completely fine with egg and egg whites. And then egg yolks but turkey, which is the poultry right there. So the immune system can differentiate between a chicken and a turkey. Yes, yes, it can. It's smart. ok Different proteins, different yeah absolutely things like that. and you And it can differentiate between milk from a cow, milk from a goat, milk from a sheep, milk from a buffalo.
00:21:21
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Different types of beans, all sorts of stuff. Sometimes it's fun to just throw questions at Doc just so she can show off that she knows like everything about every animal and food on the planet, isn't it? It is, it is. I don't even i don't even really listen to the answers. I just watch the time. I'm like, wow, she knows a lot of stuff. So here you are. You work in the field of prescribed medications. And you've got access to all these medications. And everybody, of course, is prescribing your medications. And you go completely ah left field with this. And instead of going holistic, naturopathic, you correct my jargon, please.
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on your journey to, and it's it treats your symptoms, it takes care of things. Were you comfortable sharing what was happening with people? Did you have to hide it? Was it a secret? Were you like, oh, no pills are working? Meanwhile, you're just eating turkey taco salads in the bathroom and hoping nobody catches you. and they What? You've gone naturopathic. Ah, she's illicit. You're fired. it's Like, are you allowed to tell people that you stopped taking no medication? because Yeah. um It's definitely at the at the beginning. I was definitely worried what, you know, a lot of my peers are pharmacists and what they they would think. um
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But as I was losing more weight, so I've actually lost almost 75 pounds. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Oh, congrats. So it was hard to hide that something was going on.
00:22:55
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ah Yes. And then I think Over the past, i like in 2024, I think as I've gotten more comfortable with it and sharing more, because um weight loss drugs in my industry are are all the talk right now. And so everybody wanting to understand which one I was on and having to say, I'm actually not on any, I i took a different path and I'm seeing the weight loss, but seeing all these other things that came with it, that the weight loss drugs may not
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That's really why yeah that's why ah I really wanted to have this conversation. I think it's it's really important because there are a lot of people out there who don't know much about naturopathic medicine and you know they say, well, is my doctor going to be upset with me? Or they think that it has to be one way or the other. And the truth is is that life works best when we take the best knowledge of all worlds. And so it's not a, do you have a pharmacist and a medical doctor or do you have a naturopath? It's you need a team and we need to use all of them. But I want to have a really frank conversation because you and I have had some great conversations about this and I think you're in a perfect position.
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to really speak to people about, okay, what are the pros and cons of both and how do you get the best of both worlds?
Evaluating Weight Loss Medications vs. Lifestyle Changes
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And further to that, there was definitely a time when I was wandering the airport looking for foods a couple of months ago where I was like, why aren't I just taking Ozempic? Why am I doing all this? But of course, my goal isn't just weight loss, it's fitness, optimal health, cellular, what's your new one? Cellular regeneration or optimization? Yeah, cellular optimization and all kinds of sciencey terms. So, but, and I'm just picking the one that's on the buzzword of today, which is. It's on TikTok every day, yeah. Osempic. So you must be handing out osempic to people and, you know, there's Dr. Client Privilege or pharmacist, people privilege. So I don't want to get you in any trouble. Don't answer anything you want to. No, no, no. But is there a part of you that wants to be like, don't take this.
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There's a better way as you're adding it to them to you. Meet me around back and I'll give you a salad. no do um yeah ah Maybe you could speak to, i'm I'm sure some people listening to this are either, I've started taking Ozempic or thinking of taking Ozempic or at least tired of hearing about Ozempic and its magic of weight loss. Could you enlighten us a little bit on what it is, how it works, why you should and potentially shouldn't Be taking it. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, these weight loss meds are part of a class called GLP ones and it's the way they work in the body to, um, help the body metabolize things. So I don't want to go into all the sciencey stuff, I guess, but, um, it's a part of an overall class that was originally designed for diabetics.
00:26:02
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And then they realize that they, it also causes this weight loss. And there's a lot of study there too, about it, the way it works in the brain, and it could be used for like a variety of different things. So osempic in particular was really started for diabetes. It's now got a new indication for weight loss and its counterpart would go V that is used for weight loss. So, um, They are the first in this class of drugs that actually are having significant improvements in weight loss. And so, um, the drugs that we had prior to that maybe had like five to 10% weight loss efficacy, but like a whole host of side effects, um, versus these are more in the 10 to maybe 20% weight loss range, different series of side effects, but, um, massive weight loss for some people.
00:26:58
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So that's why everybody wants it. That's why all these influencers are on TikTok are telling you to get it. um You want to lose 10 pounds for a wedding next month, get you some Ozepic. I think for me, the conversations that we had was, okay, so you lose the weight, but are you getting healthy? and then Correct. for The reason that I really wanted to do this podcast and the reason why I became a naturopathic doctor was to get people to become aware of the different
00:27:28
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options that are out there, ah but also on top of that, to bring focus and attention to the weight loss industry, to the food industry, and really show people, hey, wait a minute, like you're being poisoned, you're being starved, and you don't even know about it. And so for me, you know, seeing your results too. I think you're the the perfect person to talk about this. I don't want to shame anybody who's on a medication. And I would never tell someone, no, you don't need a medication or you need to stop this medication. That's not what this is about. But it is about saying, hey, if you're going to lose the weight, that's fine. But if you're still eating the cake, if you're still eating the foods that you're intolerant to, even though you think they're healthy foods,
00:28:14
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you're actually doing damage inside of your body. And so for you to be able to to stand up and say, hey, I'm a living example of, oh yeah, you know I've been able to decrease my medications. I've been able to drop them significantly. I've got these better health outcomes. Not only did I lose the 75 pounds, but now I'm you know coaching my children's basketball team, you know which i which is huge. So I think those are, those are the conversations that I want to open up and have and say, Hey, yeah you know, there's no, there's no magic pill out there. but There's some great, you know, yeah, there's some great, uh, therapeutic. Well, I think it's a, it's more of a tool in the, the arsenal and to help with the weight loss journey, but agreed. If you're not making the full lifestyle change.
00:29:03
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without the medication, it's just going to come back. And we do have concerns. They haven't been out um too long to see you know what the long-term side effects are of these medications, but they do slow down the um the food kind of processing in your gut. And so we're seeing a lot of GI issues, a lot of reflux, um and so concern about gut motility kind of in the long term. and so Like you said, if I am just using this as um the magic pill and not really making those lifestyle changes long-term, then you're not getting the full full benefit. I think that's um the big message we've talked with a lot of people about um over the last six months. It's like, this has to be a holistic view. We have to really think about how how best to handle um what you need and
00:29:56
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The pharmaceutical company has made this into, this is the magic thing for everybody. And it may not be for everybody. Our medical disclaimer. Before you go down the rabbit hole of kale smoothies and laughter yoga, a quick reminder, we're not your doctor. We might have the prescription for a good joke, but when it comes to your health, consult the pros. So laugh and learn, but keep that stethoscope handy. Just in case. Hey everybody, Dave here. I hope you're enjoying the journey with Dr. Val and I so far. If you haven't yet, be sure to like or subscribe or follow us or whatever they tell you to do on Spotify or Apple or whatever platform you listen to us on. And if you have any questions or if you want to follow up on anything we've discussed on the show so far, head on over to Instagram and find us there at Dr. Val Saves Dave. Send us a message with your questions and we'll be sure to answer them on a future podcast.
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Hey, thanks for listening and be good to yourself.
00:30:58
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And I think what we're seeing too is a lot of and protein loss, muscle mass loss on these medications. And so if you lose that muscle mass, and basically your metabolic rate is is slowing down. And so you've got to be doing things to ah keep that muscle mass up and and build it even better, faster, stronger. um So I think, you know, and i but You and I had this conversation, but you know i we were I was talking about that commercial that I saw with Oprah Winfrey, and she was going to do this whole big, wonderful episode and special on on these weight loss medications, and she was going to bring on pharmacists. and I love Oprah Winfrey. I'm a big fan. and I just wanted to say to her, I get that you have had a struggle with your weight
00:31:45
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all over the years, and I get how painful that is. And at the same time, I'm so cautious about just saying, hey, look, you know let's here's this magic medication, and everybody should be on it. And what is going to be the health impact on all of these people who just say, hey, we love Oprah, so we're just going to do what she does? um Not that she's not brilliant, she is. and you know Everybody's journey should be individualized, and and i I think that there's a lot deeper conversation that needs to be had than just, here's this medication. What's happening inside your body that you're not treating because you're just going to a medication and masking it?
00:32:28
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Well, first of all, relax, because I'm sure the pharmaceutical companies only have our best interests at heart. Of course. That's what we're hearing with Lindsay. I'm not worried about that at all. Yeah, there's no reason. Absolutely. If there's a new problem, they'll solve it. Yes. Okay. Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it. Now listen, if ... um ah From what I heard the, this is from what I heard, you know, down at the old dumpster fire where we're hanging out singing acapella songs. The chatter is that ah once people found out O's Empic was ah so successful at weight loss that it became in such demand that it wasn't even available now for people who actually needed it for their diabetes. And that was an issue, which leads me to the next question, which is,
00:33:12
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From what I understand of how advertising and and Big Pharma works is you know we are constantly subjected to commercials like, ask your doctor if Contrave is right for you, or you know ask your doctor if Fiddledy Sticks is right for you, right? um ah They can't, they meaning the pharmaceutical companies, are not allowed to advertise to us directly, correct? They can't say, you need to go buy it. They have to steer us through a medical professional or somebody who's going to tell you to buy it. Is that is that correct?
00:33:49
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Because i don't I don't know what contrave is, but I've been told to ask about it so many times. like Why would I go into my doctor i'm bleeding from my stomach? Hey, but does contrave do anything for me? What is contrave for? i've got ah i've got a I need stitches in my elbow. Is contrave right? No, no. So I don't even know why I know the name contraif. I don't know why I carry this in my head, but it has been advertised and pushed to me. I don't know what it is. I don't know if you're even allowed to tell us it's a secret thing. But for weight loss, but no, I don't nobody fairly uses that anymore. Nobody even knows what it is. How could they use it? so But is this a new thing and a new loophole that they're exploiting by advertising to me directly, but making me then do the legwork to learn what the drug is and how it works? Because I shouldn't even know about it. Whatever it is, I don't need it, clearly. And how much does that impact? Do you get subjected to people coming in and asking you about all these drugs and whether they're right for them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
00:34:52
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Direct-to-consumer advertising, it's what's causing a rise in the cost of medications today. um I think our roles here in the United States are even more lenient than what you guys maybe have there. But um yeah, that's that's where they're going. So people come in. So if I had, sort of since I have psoriatic arthritis, a lot of the drugs advertised are for that. And I could walk in and doctor may say, I'm gonna put you on this, because it's what I like. And you would say, No, actually I want the one I saw on TV last night. right And then instead of arguing with them, they just write it and see if if it's covered by the insurance. So um it's definitely a big part of what the manufacturers are doing. And maybe you can enlighten us as well, because I know a big part of your ah job right now is liaisoning with different corporations to help guide their teams. um So can you tell us a little bit about what you're seeing in the corporate world?
00:35:49
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Yeah, so I help a lot of employer groups um understand their pharmacy benefit for their employers and and maybe look for other options or ways to control cost. And a lot of this um topic comes up and how they're how we're seeing different drugs raise or rise up through their spend. So ah yeah, it's it's fun now because I feel like I can help more people understand their benefit and get access to the meds they need, but really that needs to be an individualized conversation with their provider. um But we're just being attacked from from all different angles. um i mean The Super Bowl had like every i mean the top 10 drugs that are dispensed in the country today. I think all of them were advertised on the Super Bowl at one point. so wow um
00:36:39
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just just letting everybody know what's around. so And meanwhile, some of these drugs, like Osempic, they were going for diabetes, turns out it's weight loss, Viagra, they were going for something with heart, turns out it it gives erections. Half the time they're just flinging jello against the wall and seeing what it does after just trying to come up with new pills that they can push out there, right? i I've seen the movies. I know what goes on. These are not all scrupulous people. Some are unscrupulous at best, downright criminal. ah so
00:37:10
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yeah um what ah I don't know. I guess at what level, what should we know that we don't as Joe Schmoe's about ah prescription medications and and based on what you've learned, I don't know. I'm out of my depth here, but but how many pills could be eliminated by changing your diet?
Societal Preferences: Quick Fixes vs. Long-term Health Changes
00:37:32
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How many of these different things do you actually not need? And at what point do we, how do how do we stop this mad rush to buy pills for everything?
00:37:41
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in your opinion, or can we, or is it, is it, is the horses are out of the barn and forget it. We're just going to drug our way to the grave. Yeah. Yeah. I think as a society, we're looking for the quick fix. So the quick pill, the quick food, um, you know, I don't know, Dave, how your guys' grocery stores are up there, but now I walk the edges in, And where I'm at, that's where all the healthy food is. I used to just run down the aisles and grab all the packages. Um, because I do have three young kids. We need to eat fast to get to, we had baseball three nights this week. So, um, we're on the go. And so if it's not quick and easy, then, um, we're, we're not as inclined to do it. And so I feel like as a society, we definitely need to take a different approach on that. So that's going to be the hard part.
00:38:34
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But then I think also like a lot of our medical schools, my pharmacy school, we all just went straight to a pill. um So you get a diagnosis and this is what you take for it. While we know what type two diabetes, if we can start with the food, we actually could be on less medications. We could potentially reverse it, um but we just start with that pill. And now we start with those Epic as well. That's so funny that you mentioned it. I didn't even realize until now I've become a perimeter shopper. That's exactly what I hear. You're right. i go I break right, I hit the produce, and then I swing along the back to the meat section, and I'm skipping all the middle aisles that hadn't occurred to me. You're right. There's nothing in the middle of the store for me.
00:39:18
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Amazing. I know. It's crazy. so But if we if we started taking these pills, and don't get him me wrong, I love a quick fix as much as the next guy. um you know I'm trying to... I would love if there had been shortcuts on this. I really would, because it's it's time consuming. And it's you know at times, it takes a ah good bit of effort to try to eat yeah ah the way you want to in the world. It is not set up for it. There are so many restaurants, as we've been over, where you even there are salads, there there's something in there that shouldn't be. if it's going to be a healthy option. It's just not available. But if we're all taking pills now and quick fixes now and to use XMPIC as the example we've used, if you're taking that pill now, but we don't know what the long-term ah effects are going to be because it's only been out so long, they can't tell you what happens in five years or 10 years or or how do you get off it? Will you put the weight right back on if you stop, et cetera? Isn't it all going to lead to more pills that you will need
00:40:15
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to recover from the pills you took for the qui quick fix as your health gets deteriorated, which is going to put more of a strain on our health systems, healthcare systems, which is going to lead to them looking for more quick solutions of more pills. So this cycle is just going to go right through, it's going to, yeah you know, it's going to be a tornado alley of pills and and hospital visits, isn't it? Yeah. And I think that's where I was last summer with like the anxiety that I was having that I was like, whoa, this is coming up so much more now than it ever has. And do I go to a doctor to get me some medication to take care of it? Or did I want to look at something different? Cause those medications comes with other side effects that I wasn't sure I wanted to be a part of. Plus I'm just terrible at taking meds. I'm the worst patient. So my alarm just went off telling me I need to take my supplements. I don't have them here next to me and
00:41:10
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um So I just don't want to ah take extra meds. But yeah, to your point, that that is what what's happening. And then as we develop new meds, that could potentially help with additional things. um We just add them on. And then there's the risk for interactions that could cause other issues. Do you travel with your Dr. Val emergency kit then? Do you have your little food supplements or your approved snack list? Yes, so I do now. I have some things that I have to put in there. What do you got? What are you holding? I know, um, I have some that's it bars and then I make up like packets of my protein and green shapes. Um, at first I thought I couldn't carry powders through security. Yes, exactly. And then I decided I have to, because otherwise I'll just starve or then I'll take the snack on the plane and then I'll feel miserable afterwards. So those of you who can't see, I just lifted a Ziploc bag of powder 20 years ago would have been a different powder.
00:42:12
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It's a very healthy mix of protein, creatine, and I also have a little bag of the greens. And this is how you have to get through the world, right? If you can't find, you can't pull into a gas station and get a snack or a fast food restaurant, and your battery goes down, right? And do you find, like I do, when your when your battery goes down, that you will make a poor decision? Or when's the last time you made a poor decision food-wise? Oh, last night. What'd you have? I had a grilled cheese at a gas station. I had a grilled cheese at a gas station. Sidebar, sidebar. No, meet me in the church basement. I'll tell you where you can tell me all about it. The truth comes out. Thank you for the leadership and honesty. This is a great chance for you to remind us about preparation, darling. It is, it is. How did the grilled cheese taste and then how did you feel after? Oh, I felt like, like literally 20 minutes later, I was like, that was so dumb. And now I'm going to feel like crap.
00:43:10
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And which, so it was easy and quick, but we were going to baseball. I need to get everybody ready and in their uniforms. And I was just like, Oh gosh. Um, and so it had a counter effect we versus if I would have just had my protein shake with me, I could have just drank it and I'd been fine. So this is what I've been on about to these old habits, these old mental neural pathways, to use the science terms that these science guys like to use on me, Doc and David. and All these people, the the neural patterns are so ingrained from before that you still so smell a grilled cheese or look at one and you go, oh, yummy, ah because you go back in your head to when you were six or something and you're like, oh, that's a quick fix. I'll eat that. that'll I eat amazing all the time. Surely this won't hurt me. I can get away with a grilled cheese. And what I'm startled by is how fast you feel awful.
00:44:02
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after as these foods get that this is new I'm just in this chapter of things feeling awful now, because I ate them before. They never felt bad. they never I would eat all the garbage in the world. Or was I just used to always feeling like that? That's right. I felt bad all the time and didn't know it. I thought that was good. I guess. And now you've experienced this life and you're like, what? this I can feel great all the time? This is Doc's etch-a-sketch theory is now now we're drawing on the etch-a-sketch and it hurts. Yeah. yeah So they sale i mean let me handle this for you. This is why preparation is so important and this is why when you're going over the world, you need to be, how did this happen? Because you weren't prepared.
00:44:42
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but That sounds like me too. You've got that down. The voice is in my head most of the day now when I go to make a decision. You poor guy. yeah body My body, your rules. That's right. so i had I was in a situation myself recently. Doc doesn't even know about this. but I was golfing with some fellows and we decided to play a bonus nine holes afterwards. So we played our 18, which I budgeted for. I brought my can of mackerel, my can of tuna, my pumpkin seeds, and and ah and a little protein shake. So I was set for the round. I ate before we left. I was all good. But then we decided to play nine more holes, which was a great idea. It was beautiful. We were going to be in traffic anyway. This was a good decision. But now,
00:45:27
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were running, the sands are running out of the hourglass. I don't have any more of my supplements, my things. And now these guys are all getting really, really hungry. So they were in the middle of nowhere. They stopped at the first restaurant, which was Chinese food and pizza. oh And ah so it was, and I'm scrolling, I'm looking for anything. There's nothing, there's nothing. and they' And they were kind enough to be like, Dave, what can you, I'm like, don't worry, forget it guys, like we'll just, You know, this is one of those things. So I believe I have had, and this is what I told myself in the moment, is this is the last fried rice I'll eat in my 40s.
00:46:05
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These are the last noodles I'm going to have in my 40s. And so I try to enjoy it. and ah and you know But honestly, it it tastes different. It feels different. The hardest part for me now is not having guilt with with the bite. So you have to lean in and be like, OK, just experience this. See what it tastes like. Feel what it does to you. And let's rewrite the script on what the, it's not a quick fix. It's not a, oh, yummy. old treat that you're denying yourself, it's actually a form of poison, to use a term you would love to use, but it's certainly going to do harm to my body in that case. And yet, socially, I want to participate. I don't want to be the guy in the corner who's like, I can't come up with you fellows, or I'll just wait in the car, yeah or any of that. So it is a challenge to balance, you know,
00:47:00
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participating in society and groups while also doing this clearly isolate, you know, it's very isolatory. Is that a word? Well, I think, you know, this is where Lindsay, when I have spoken before and what I talk to a lot of my patients about that, listen, if you're going to go off, if you're going to do it, do it with pride. no No guilt, no shame, lean into it, go hard, enjoy every bite. But also when you're in that situation, do the best that you can to try to minimize where you're going off to one particular thing.
00:47:35
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So if you're, again, if you're going to do it, do it with pride. But if you can stick to going off on one thing, like if you're going to have dairy, have dairy, if you're going to have wheat, have wheat, if you're going to have some alcohol, have that, but, you know, don't mix and match because if you do a lot of stuff together, you get a worse effect. You're going to feel bad. no When I go down, I go down in flames. I mean... Go hard or go home. I like that. this is what so I don't know if you have this Lindsay where you're like, well, I've broken the barrier. We might as well get all the cheats in. We can't now. So, well, since I had the fried rice, I'm having popcorn on the way home and I'm washing it down with a beer. ah and I'm out of control. And I think you should because then you're going to feel even worse and you won't do that in the future. I wouldn't. Would you say you were filled with pride eating that grilled cheese?
00:48:27
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No. I know. Doc always says that. i Have it with pride. It's like, that's not a reality, Doc. I wasn't eating it with pride. I'll just look at me eating it. Don't be ashamed. Just do it. You shouldn't feel bad about you know having people being alive. I would say, and and Lindsay, sorry if i I want to hear you on this, but for me, it's not shame it's not pride so much as it is a fingers crossed hope. that this will still taste good and not hurt? Like, can I get away with this maybe one time for a guy real quick? Good luck. What do you tell yourself as you're going through those moments? And also, call me, text me. We'll start to be buddies on this. Don't do it. You're going to feel bad. I know. Accountability partners. So what's the experience like and what was the last one other than the grilled cheese that was like you used to be your favorite that you've had? That's the better question. What used to be your favorite sort of bad food that you missed and then you had and you're like, ah, that's no good anymore. Oh, gosh. Um.
00:49:38
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There's been so, so many things that I'm like, oh. She takes so much from us and still we come back. Thank you, mistress. May I have another? listen I have um have like a favorite salad from um in this place that's doing my work and it has chicken in it. It has some corn in it. It has tortilla strips in it. It's like a Mexican salad. And every time I'm like, because I've It's like my cheat meal if I'm every now and then. I'm like, okay, but it's still a salad. It's still gonna be fine. And then like an hour later, I'm ready for a nap. And I'm like, yeah, nope. It sucks. It wasn't worth it. It wasn't worth it, right? I want a chicken parm so bad. I miss a chicken parm, big plate of pasta. I can't even look at one. Like I see it on the menu and I go, ah, no, that's all. I have to go. I have to go now. I don't even go to Italian restaurants right now. No, they're off the playbook. There's nothing there. Allegedly, there's a piece of fish. There is. I don't know. Can you eat steak? Are you allowed any red meat?
00:50:48
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no Not really. No, I do more fish. yeah yeah seafood Seafood restaurants are great. I know a lot of Italian restaurants with great seafood. Can we not just develop a pill called the quick fix? It's called those epic. No, no, and I wanted to, I want me to eat it where it doesn't hurt my tummy for Right. For 24 hours. It just you know goes in so I can just maybe like lick it or smell it. yeah like for it Thank you for pointing this out though, because we could have it because in the past that was called real food. It was called life.
00:51:26
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And so what's happened because of the lifestyle that we have, because of the food industry, because of the way a lot of the foods are grown, because of the chemicals, the pesticides, the colorings, the dyes, the processing, the packaging, all of the things that are happening within the food industry. A lot of the, the Franken foods that they're having now, the way that they're mixing the foods, um, all of that has caused us to not be able to tolerate the the foods that we're eating. We're not having real foods anymore. That's the problem. And so if we actually had real food, like if you look at you know pictures of people 100 years ago or you know even 80 years ago, you didn't see the obesity and disease rates like you're seeing now. And so this is what I want people to be aware of. You're having these sensitivities to food because we don't get food anymore.
00:52:16
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So if we are talking about real health and longevity, it's you eat real food, drink pure water, get the right amount of sleep. Get some stress relief. Have a social network. But how do you eat real food anymore? And that's where we've got to start changing. And if we actually had people eating real food and getting good sleep and the right amount of exercise and socialization and didn't have that go, go, go, go, go, go, go performance, performance, performance lifestyle where we had to you know grab stuff quick on the run. If we had all of that in alignment and that quality of life, we wouldn't have this stuff going on. But then Lindsay would be out of a job. Like, think about the impact of these things. I mean, she said you care about her. She's got a family for heaven's sake. And then we couldn't go look at ah different types of bathing suits. Yeah. Which we got some no great bathing suits. We did. Yes. Lindsay, you're, ah you're farther ahead than me. I'm going to ask you some questions. I don't even know if these ah ah chapters have been released yet, but so maybe you've heard this yet, maybe you haven't. Do you currently make your own mustard?
00:53:23
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Um, no, it's all right. Well, no, of course not because you're a real adult, a human. Do you make exotic butters? Do you make pumpkin butter? Um, pumpkin butter. Yep. You do make the pumpkin butter. Yeah. And what do you- And I make my own hummus. Oh, nice. where What do you spread the pumpkin butter on since you're not allowed to eat anything? Cucumbers. Yeah.
00:53:49
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have Have you made Dox a legendary pumpkin peanut butter substitute cups yet? So, I can't have chocolate. Uh-huh. Fair. It's okay. But I have made them for my husband. Yeah, they were good. They were good. I've done also, yep. I did the gummy bears. Have you done those? No, no. I haven't reached the, I'm going to take a day to whip up some of Doc's masterpiece recipes. I'm still on the, I'm just going to try to eat what I'm supposed to. I'm i'm not quite, I've got these David Thunder exercise.
00:54:25
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programs And then I had the life I was living before all of this. So I just find it. So I remember a few episodes ago where I said, Hey, ah if I can do it, you can too. And I'm going to go to the gym in the morning now. That is all stopped. it is so Sorry about all that. This is hard. This is really hard. It's rewarding. It's good. But time management is a real factor in trying to live this way because as we've discussed, you can't just stop somewhere and get what you need to do this. So you're managing all these kids, the family, your job. Do you do you get up early? Do you do exercise? Do you do all meal prep? what's how to
00:55:10
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How can, how have you learned to make it more manageable or doable in the extra months you've had a practice than I have? Yeah, I would say on typically on Sundays, we try and get all our groceries. Um, a lot of times we have them delivered because we don't have time to go to the grocery store. Um, so that's been one. You didn't have to feel bad about that, by the way. That's, yeah that's you're allowed to have groceries delivered. this okay Don't tell anyone. and then Yes. Then I have no pill box for all my supplements so that I can just grab the
00:55:44
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like individual day, so get them all prepped on on Sundays. And then um depending on if I'm traveling for the week, like having my protein shakes and stuff ready and kind of thinking about where I might be and what I might be able to have. um So try and get that lined up on Sundays. And then um in my perfect day, it's I go to bed between 9 and 9.30 so I can get up at 5.30 and do a walk before my kids wake up. but The last month has been a little nutty with, with kids stuff. So getting to bed early has not not really happened. So my walks have been not as frequent, but that's the.
00:56:23
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the goal. Don't mention nuts. Don't do not mention nuts around her. Please don't. Peanuts are okay. Peanuts. It's just peanuts. Magadamia nuts. Magadamia. Quick, say Magadamia.
00:56:39
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Just not the cookie just by itself.
00:56:48
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Is there, you know what, we've already been, uh, we've said a lot of things about a lot of companies and, uh, you know, the lawsuits, I'm sure I'm going to tumble in. So let me flip this, uh, take an opportunity to flip this. You travel a lot. Have you found a restaurant chain, uh, that is your go-to, is your salvation? Is there anything out there that offers a healthy dish that you go, boy, if I see a insert name here, I know I'll be okay. No. No, isn't that remarkable in all of America? You can't find one. Yeah, just I mean, if I can go to a sit down restaurant where I can know I can order like a piece of fish and maybe a plain salad or some steamed vegetables, then I feel good. But like,
00:57:32
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Well, I like to share my ah filthy secrets on this ah show. My new trick, sadly, and it came up last night. I was out with a friend and we were ordering. um And so now it's the only way it's palatable is because you say, yeah, I tried to order from the menu, but I'll say, but I can't have any dressing or cheese. So I'll say no dairy, you know, like I need just olive oil. or whatever, and inevitably they'll say, are you allergic? And so now I just go, yes. Yes, I am. That's easier. yeah And it's amazing how much they'll scramble and look after you if you just say allergy. Suddenly you can order you know very healthy. So now I just get broccoli with oil and a piece of meat and it's it's not there. But I feel terrible. I don't want to lie to these people. I'm not actually allergic. That cheese won't kill me. I'm just not allowed to.
00:58:19
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have it. But if anybody works in a restaurant or restaurant chain is listening to this, for gosh sakes, please reach out to Dr. Val so she can pick a couple of menu items for you and just have one or two items on your menu that is actually going to look after people who do have these food sensitivities. Just even the gluten free options or the veg options are covered in sugar and sauces and dripping and stuff where it's like, oh, you were so close. you know Salads that have cheese and corn and croutons and bread. It's like, what? this is Can I not just get some actual food? Real food. And you you can't. so and we're goingnna Here's our of takeaways. We're going to open up a restaurant called Real Food. We're going to start we're going to make a pill called Quick Fix.
00:59:04
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yes
00:59:07
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and And we're going to meet at church basements. And hi, I'm Dave.
00:59:16
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Recovering foodaholic? Yeah, I'm a balaholic. i We're going to serve morning tonics. Yes. We can all detox. That's right. Where the orange tang thing would be. We're just going to have morning smoothies. And we'll just talk about the foods we ate. I was in an airport. The flight was delayed. It had been hours. I'd take a little approach to eat and I couldn't help myself. I had a piece of bread. Oh, it's okay. We've been there. It's good. Yeah.
00:59:47
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Yeah. Yep. I had that exact happen two years ago. Delayed flights, then they had to find food and I didn't have enough. Yeah. Yeah. And do you do you then fast in that situation? Like, are you better off not eating or do you eat the garbage? Um, I, I've been earmuffs, Doc, earmuffs, no judgment. I was like, I went to a Chipotle and got a salad with just like meat and some vegetables. Yeah. Could you have the, you couldn't have the chicken. What could you have? Um, I had pork.
01:00:22
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Okay. There you go. And did you feel moderately okay after? did yeah yeah Yeah. Kind of got away with it. yeah those are that That's almost like a little win, right? when you eat When you eat a little something off the, and you don't feel terrible, it's like, okay. Well, and thank you for pointing that out because, you know, one of the things that does happen is your body starts to heal itself. So you're doing the healing journey. it's It's really challenging at the beginning. You have to make a lot of sacrifices. you know It's taking effort. But then your body does heal itself. And eventually, all real food, your body is going to be OK with. So you have these food sensitivities now, but you don't have them for the rest of your life. So it's not, ah you know, here you go. It's the body heals itself. And then you can get away with having that every once in a while, but your body will metabolize it. And that's the healing journey.
01:01:13
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Metabolic flexibility, she keeps telling me. That's right. Yeah. So a year from now, a year from now, you and I can have a chicken parm sandwich with a side of pasta and grilled cheeses, and then we can go right for... And we can have a beer again? Maybe. Wow. And we and we could probably the football game play volleyball right after if we wanted to, because our bodies, it feels so good. We could just eat whatever. like Well, you don't want to go back to pure garbage. Dared to dream. yeah No, but it would be fun to just...
01:01:45
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Yeah. Well, you should be able to every once in a while. A healthy body, yeah one every once in a while, it's okay if you do that. Which is the goal. A healthy body is the goal, right? so Optimized body. Lindsey, as a listener of this ah ah show, you've heard our journey. um What would you share, what would I've been through? What would you echo and say is correct? Is there anything you'd like to add onto our listeners and share? um I think the, The final piece I just wanted to say, and we kind of touched on it, is just the the real food and the level of energy, which then allows you to do all the things that you want to do in life. And I felt like I was missing out on a lot, or I was missing out on a lot of joy of going to things with with my kids. um So being able to eat the real foods, I i feel full. I'm not starving. um But I'm getting that all this extra.
01:02:43
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in my life. um She mentioned I got to coach my kids basketball. I actually coached both my sons baseball teams this winter. So, um and had all the energy to to support that. And I think that's the piece that um doesn't get talked about enough when people talk about weight loss and all the extra things I gained. 13 months ago, could you imagine getting up and going for a walk at 5.30 in the morning? No. Right? yeah like that Coaching both your boys basketball games. I know. Yeah. Yeah. She she's ah she also ah turns us into morning people. Morning wedding. The other thing. Yeah.
01:03:21
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Yeah, I mean, I've wanted to be one for forever, but I keep telling myself I'm a night person. But it turns out if I just go to bed, all yeah who knew? And she says it'll make me look younger. So I'm going to bed. Yeah, you must feel so much younger and so much better than you did a year ago. I know. Yeah, I, I feel better. So I'm at my college weight now. So and probably have more energy than I did in college when I was playing college basketball. And you didn't count calories, and you didn't starve yourself? No. And you didn't count macros, and you didn't get into the gym trying to exercise ah but like like on ah unreasonable hours? No. Yeah. It's true. I don't count, you so you never counted calories, any of that, and you've lost 75 pounds, you said?
01:04:13
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That's extraordinary. That's awesome. I can only imagine how good you feel. yeah I know for myself, four months in and having lost 20 pounds, how much younger I feel, how much better I feel. So if you guys are are listening, you know um get yourself tested, reach out to Dr. Val, obviously. She's the the hero of this journey. She's the best. Right? She is ah amazing. ah or Or go see Lindsay and get some pills in the meantime. Well, on that note, Lindsay, like ah I wanted to bring you on specifically because you have such a unique perspective, being a pharmacist, um really seeing the benefits of all of the wonderful things that that pharmaceuticals can do when they're utilized efficiently, effectively, and correctly, when they're used at the right time in the right place. so
01:04:59
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And then you also have the benefit of going through the naturopathic route. So you've got this perspective, this holistic perspective that a lot of people don't have. So I'd love to hear, you know, if there's anything that you want to share with your friends, with your colleagues, um, something that's from your perspective that you just want to ah share with the world. I'd love to hear that perspective from you. Yeah, I think that's, uh, The part that I want to share is that so many of the the guidelines and the drugs, they also like we were also taught diet and exercise. and What does that actually mean when do you say that to a patient? and How do you actually get them some help? and I think that's the part where um our healthcare care system is missing.
01:05:46
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and Now I'm a walking testament to what it what it means and and hopefully one day, I mean, that's the goal. I come off these meds completely and um to show that there are other alternatives. So if there's people out there who have tried so many meds and aren't getting relief or are now getting additional side effects to to really think about what does diet exercise mean um and how to how to find that ah support system because
01:06:16
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society has set us up to to fail to do it by ourselves. so Thank you so much. And I think the other thing for me is also, hey, for a lot of people, the medication is the first step when it should be the last step. Get some qualified help first and use the best of all worlds. You need a team. No one can do this alone. You need a team. That's a great point. You ah bring up diet and exercise. You hear it all the time. But even you know before starting this, when I would have thought you know so many foods I thought were healthy are good for me. The balsamic vinegar is the big one, right? Where it's like that was the healthy choice. So even though you hear diet and exercise and you think you're eating well,
01:06:57
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You really need to learn what's in ah and how it's affecting you yeah to find out what your diet should be. Like what those, it shouldn't be a flip itit term it term to exercise is everything, but your diet is so pivotal, so key. And, and so Lindsay to hear, it's not a blanket thing, as we know. It's unique ah to you. yeah um ah Thanks for sharing your time and your story with us. It's so exciting to meet a fellow doctor. Suffer. Rescuing, Suffer, yeah Reclamation Project.
01:07:29
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and yeah I'm sure that your timers are all going off and you're going to make bad decisions if we don't let you go. so right yeah thank you and I get you my ta salad yeah that's a lie didn't hear that. So awesome. Take so much, Lindsay. You bet. Thanks for having me. Thank you. Thanks for listening, everybody, and we'll talk to you again next week.
01:08:02
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He'll behave. Oh, do you think he will cave? Listen, and he's back in school. It's his funny, but it's Dr. Val's rules. It's his funny, but it's Dr. Val's rules.