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Episode 208: End of Season Review!
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Southampton – We take a look back at a painful season and all the things that came with it. We are now taking a short break! But we will be back soon!
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00:00:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Hello and welcome back to the Daily Southampton, part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. My name is Greg Elliott and joined by the full Southampton cohort today for our end of season review. Zach, how you doing?
00:00:19
Zak
Yeah, let's see both of them at the same moment.
00:00:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Good, Oscar, how you doing?
00:00:23
Oscar
Yeah, okay, thank you.
00:00:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Good. ah Before we start, worth a mention that all of our thoughts go out to anyone affected by the scenes from the Liverpool parade as fans of football.
00:00:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Obviously, there are divisive opinions and teams you don't like, but no one deserves to go out to celebrate football and get hurt. So, hopefully, as few people as possible are actually affected by that.
00:00:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
But...
00:00:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
End of season review is here. We talked about it a bit yesterday and man, what a weird season.
00:01:00
Zak
Not even just for us, right? like that's the That's the crazy thing about it.
00:01:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:01:04
Zak
I remember, I think, a couple, I say weeks, months at this point, probably. we were talking about how I was really worried that we were just really poor in a pretty like generic normal season, right?
00:01:14
Zak
And then towards the end, it started to just go a little bit mental with like Spurs being in the Champions League despite coming 17th. Manchester United also in complete total capitulation.
00:01:26
Zak
VAR once again being the absolute diva drama queen ah the weekend and ruining Aston Villa's party. i mean, arguably, if they'd won any of the other games that they played, that wouldn't have been a problem.
00:01:38
Zak
but I can understand what their annoyance is. ah you know, we, we've kind of even looked back at our last game and probably thought a decision should have gone our way.
00:01:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:01:46
Zak
so yeah, it's been, it's been a kind of a crazy season. Oh, uh, let's not forget Chelsea fans, um, absolutely dancing and crying and acting like they'd won the league because they're back in the champions league. Just what weird season.
00:01:58
Zak
Oh, really, really, really weird weird season. Um,
00:02:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. It has been weird, unlike it's been...
00:02:02
Zak
Luckily, I don't think that our 12 points, I don't think, are going to be the thing that are most memorable from this Premier League campaign. And that is um the only thing that we can take away from as bad as we've been.
00:02:14
Zak
Luckily, no one cares about us enough to realise how bad we've been.
00:02:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's been It's been a weird one all round, right? Like, everything's been wrapped up for what seems like the longest time. Like, Liverpool have had about 32 guards of honour. Like, it's...
00:02:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
we've known We've known the bottom three going down since about January. ah s spintting It's been weird. ah Some outliers, I guess, like Bournemouth and Forest flying much higher than anyone expected.
00:02:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Spurs become the first team in Premier League history to lose 22 games and not get relegated, right?
00:02:50
Zak
I did not know that stat.
00:02:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's...
00:02:50
Oscar
Wow, that's an impressive stat.
00:02:51
Zak
That's nuts. And get Champions League football.
00:02:52
Oscar
yeah
00:02:55
Zak
What on earth?
00:02:57
Oscar
As Ange said, that's an outstanding season.
00:02:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:02:59
Zak
What outstanding season to lose that bad and somehow still win.
00:03:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. yeah ah It's been topsy-turvy. How much trouble are Man United in now, having not qualified for any European Cup?
00:03:13
Zak
I don't know. They're about to spend £60 million Kuna and they're also probably firing like the backup tea lady tomorrow. a bit of a joke of a be if it a joke of an organisation, really, isn't it, to be honest? that' That's where I'm at. like you know we We talk about Sports Republic and i know we've we've we've done this a hundred times over before.
00:03:32
Zak
But, like, man, am I glad they've never had to lay off half of, like, the stadium staff. Because, like, they're like, well, we need to fund the rest of Casemiro's wages. So, i I hope you like, you know, I hope you like, if you like the club historian, that's great. Because he's now in a retirement home. You go find him.
00:03:47
Zak
ah It's just upsetting.
00:03:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
Crazy.
00:03:50
Zak
But, um you know, that's not our club. Our club um is is moving forward in what I consider to be a positive direction. So...
00:03:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, let's hope. Fingers crossed.
00:03:59
Zak
Down, down, down to be back up maybe.
00:04:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Down to the best league in the world. So, you know, that's all that matters.
00:04:05
Oscar
Can't complain.
00:04:06
Zak
Yeah,
00:04:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oscar, what? What's the biggest surprise of the season been for you? We're going to look at some of my predictions a little bit later on in the episode and um and laugh at them. but
00:04:19
Oscar
Yeah. um I think Man City probably. I don't think anyone expected that was going to be as big a drop-off as it was. I appreciate they lost Rodri, but, you know...
00:04:31
Oscar
And he won the Ballon d'Or. Maybe that sort of highlights why. Maybe he's another one of those players that you won't appreciate, bit like a Moussa Dembele, that you won't appreciate until he's not playing. And that's maybe the difference for City.
00:04:42
Oscar
So that was a big one.
00:04:44
Oscar
um I think just the general... It's It's a strange one, right?
00:04:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
right?
00:04:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because felt like it was lack of quality of the league.
00:04:49
Oscar
Because it' was I felt like it was a lack of quality in the league. And yet...
00:04:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
And yet,
00:04:54
Oscar
we came back up and couldn't handle it. But I think maybe lack of quality at the top end of the league. Maybe that's what actually has happened to the Premier League is the whole level of the league has got better, but just the top half hasn't.
00:05:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
that's it, right? I don't think it's, I don't think it's lack of quality from the top.
00:05:09
Oscar
Yeah.
00:05:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
I actually just think it's better quality from that middle pack.
00:05:18
Oscar
Yeah.
00:05:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
And that's sort of what makes the challenge so insurmountable, right? And I guess at this point, if you think about it, they've had with the, you know, the promoted clubs going back down straight away, two seasons in a row now, they've had three solid Premier League years to build Premier League distinguished squads.
00:05:39
Oscar
That's the frustrating part. I think i think we might we might have experienced the worst possible time to get relegated because it's now getting to a point where I don't think we can break back in.
00:05:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:05:51
Oscar
It's going to be hard.
00:05:53
Zak
First time round, agreed. you know i think i think if we'd I think if everyone and Anglead's ownership had understood the impact of going down um in you know the like the first time round, I think they would have potentially thrown more than the kitchen sink at it and maybe not hired ah European world-beating manager Nathan Jones.
00:05:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:06:16
Zak
and But yeah, it's going to be interesting to not care about the Premier League for me next year because it was a strange year when I didn't care about it at all, ah you know, and it was pretty generic.
00:06:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
a year when didn't think about it at all. You know, it was pretty generic. But, yeah, surprises-wise, I just couldn't
00:06:27
Zak
But yeah, of surprises-wise, as Oscar pointed out, City's a weird one.
00:06:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's weird one.
00:06:32
Zak
Forest is probably the other big one for me considering they were floating you know flow of relegation the season before.
00:06:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
For us, it's probably the other people. So, we've got to play with the final credits for the season before.
00:06:38
Zak
And, you know, and also say again, like, the capitulation of both Spurs and Manchester United for me is like, i just, 17th, Champions League football, like make it make sense.
00:06:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
You know, and also, again, like, the capitulation of both Spurs Manchester United, for is like, I just... 17th Champions League football,
00:06:51
Zak
I know it's the year of the underdog, but like you're thinking back to when they were like in a Champions League final where they are now.
00:06:54
Oscar
Bizarre.
00:06:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:06:59
Zak
It's like, wow, what a what ah what ah crazy, crazy season um that, again, will just once again be written into the annals of history and forgotten apart from that.
00:07:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:07:08
Zak
where Do you remember that time Ange Postacoglu won the Europa League of Spurs? Like, that's going to where it's going to be in, like, five, six years' time.
00:07:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:07:15
Zak
No one's going to remember when the City came third, like,
00:07:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. It's just baffling. ah You have to... like Talking about like the the gap lessening, I think, between the middle and the top of the table, you have to feel a bit sorry, or I feel a bit sorry, for Jurgen Klopp, right? Because there were it was a season I remember where he got 99 points and came second.
00:07:41
Zak
Yeah, but then that's that's how it is. in the you look at the championships.
00:07:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like...
00:07:44
Zak
Championship table has been very similar with stuff like that, mate, as well. Where, like, you know, you look at Sheffield United, probably feel hard done by for not going up.
00:07:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:07:51
Zak
But Burnley managed to, like, walk keep like the the the most amount of clean sheets in a club in the championship ever and still came second.
00:07:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:07:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
They only conceded 16 goals all season.
00:07:57
Zak
Like...
00:08:00
Zak
Right, and still came second. like and now they're going to go up. And like again, it's it's going to be really tough for any of those clubs that come up, as proven, because all of the clubs that were even close around us to going down all sort of found four midway for the season. West Ham, you know, because they've all had the money and the investments. You had to buy in and replace managers and replace players and and play around in January. Whereas, you know, how many players did us, Ipswich Leicester bring in in January, guys, between and between all three clubs?
00:08:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, there was that Grumbach guy.
00:08:31
Zak
Yeah, right. ah don't even know if the other two even brought any players in. And that asses a lot.
00:08:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
don't know, mate. Yeah.
00:08:37
Zak
And then obviously Leicester now potentially, despite that, and getting back in the league, still potentially have a 12-point deduction.
00:08:37
Oscar
Hmm.
00:08:44
Zak
And for some reason are taking on Russell Barton. But whatever.
00:08:47
Oscar
Hmm.
00:08:47
Zak
What do I know?
00:08:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know. Right. it ah After the break. We're going to take a little look at my predictions for the season, and which will probably highlight some of the surprises that I found along the way.
00:08:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I have noticed in some of the research for these predictions a really funny stat that we'll get to. But first, a message from our partners at Bionique.
00:09:22
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00:09:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, and we are back. So, yeah, all right. I'm going to touch on, you know, before you guys were with me on the podcast, I did an episode at the start of the season.
00:09:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
but went through my preseason predictions. that I'm going glance back at them just touch on some some of the worst predictions I had.
00:10:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah So, I had Man City winning the league.
00:10:16
Zak
I'll be fair. That's a reasonable guess at the beginning the season, if I'm totally honest.
00:10:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah yeah Yeah, it felt alright at the time.
00:10:19
Oscar
Yeah, I think I did as well, to be fair.
00:10:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
and I mean, who could have predicted that fall off? I did get Arsenal in second, which, you know, that's something. And I had Liverpool third. ah In fourth is where it gets really bad because I predicted Man United to finish fourth and Spurs to finish fifth.
00:10:32
Zak
Second again, literally.
00:10:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Not
00:10:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
and 17th, it turns out.
00:10:45
Zak
mate oh but that's that's the trick who decided so greg who did you have being relegated
00:10:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
sixteenth and seventeen it turns out
00:10:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah had I did get two of the three. I had Ipswich and Leicester.
00:10:58
Zak
but you the idea i love the the idea you thought we would make it despite the fact that we are the te team that came up via the playoffs so
00:10:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
And then I... Yeah, I thought we were going to finish 12th.
00:11:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
but moving Moving on from that, I had Forrest going down, who finished 7th. So... Yeah.
00:11:14
Zak
European football.
00:11:14
Oscar
general i think i I think I might have as well, to be fair.
00:11:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:11:17
Oscar
I'm trying to find my prediction, but I can't find it.
00:11:18
Zak
No.
00:11:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah And yeah, none of the rest of my guesses were too far wrong. ah had Wolves doing better than they did.
00:11:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
i had Palace finishing above us in 11th, but unsurprisingly Palace finishing their distinctive 12th spot, which they seem to have owned and claimed for all eternity. ah So the other predictions, I also predicted the FA Cup.
00:11:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
I had Chelsea to win the FA Cup. who, you know, didn't get that far in it. So, uh, and to win the league cup, I had, ah saints.
00:11:53
Oscar
Hmm.
00:11:59
Zak
Oh, mate.
00:12:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:12:01
Zak
Oh, buddy. you okay? It's been a long year.
00:12:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah I went into the season with high levels of optimism.
00:12:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
And look, but also ah made predictions for the top goal scorer, the top assist and the top clean sheets, ah which is where I get to some of the interesting stats because to to see how well I had or hadn't done, I've brought up the Premier League stats page. So I had for the top goal scorer, had Haaland, but that was actually...
00:12:10
Zak
Clearly.
00:12:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mo Salah with 29 goals. Haaland actually came in third, which is surprising because it feels like it was a really bad season for him, but also third top scorer in the league is a bit baffling.
00:12:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah For assists, I did predict Mo Salah, and it was Mo Salah with 18, which is insane. ah But I had Pope for most clean sheets, and he wasn't even in the top 10. So...
00:12:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
say The interesting stat that got to is also on this page, they have ah the top 10 complete passes in the Premier League season, ah which is the only place on this stats page of the top 10s of all of the stats they collect in the Premier League where Saints feature.
00:13:22
Oscar
know
00:13:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because in number 9 in the top 10 completed passes for the Premier League season, Taylor Harbour-Bellis sneaks in with 2,123 passes. Yeah. How many those 2,000 are passes sideways
00:13:33
Zak
Good lord. that's see that That would be Russell Martinville, wouldn't it?
00:13:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah how many of those eighty how many of those two thousand are passes sidewaysty and bednerre Yeah, that's
00:13:36
Zak
If I pass it to Jan Bedrick.
00:13:37
Oscar
Yeah.
00:13:38
Zak
Yeah.
00:13:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
as that's the stat we want know right
00:13:44
Oscar
Or to the goalkeeper.
00:13:46
Zak
Yeah, it's also Ramsdale. That's why that's why i split it between the two.
00:13:49
Oscar
Hmm.
00:13:50
Zak
Oh, dear.
00:13:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah yeah But yeah, but not not the most successful pre-season predictions, it has to be said. ah
00:14:00
Zak
Again, as as many points as the position that you predicted.
00:14:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. ah But then, like, also, i've predicted Saints to win every game this season, which means I've only actually been right twice, and even then I didn't get the score right either time.
00:14:12
Zak
No, no, no. You predicted a loss at the end and you were right then.
00:14:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:18
Oscar
Mm-mm.
00:14:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
You're right. did i Didn't I actually predict 2-1 as well?
00:14:22
Zak
Yeah, I think you did, mate.
00:14:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, what a harrowing way to end the season, to lose all of the optimism and get a correct prediction.
00:14:26
Zak
Oh. No, that was fine. We had our incredible halftime manager reveal. Oh, wait. No, we didn't.
00:14:35
Zak
Up on the screens before the game started. ah Hey-ho. um Obviously, thanks for the support on that Will Still episode. I've noticed it's ah spiked in views for the last couple of days because people are starting to figure out who our new manager is.
00:14:49
Zak
But, like, look.
00:14:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mate, I noticed the Saints app straight up stealing your research with their article today. i I saw it in plain sight. We all know you got there first.
00:14:56
Oscar
to Did you see the interview he did where where they said, and what did you make the reception from the fans? He didn't announce it. I don't think the fans even noticed.
00:15:05
Zak
What do you mean? that at the The time that people did notice he was there and clapped him? Yeah, probably alright. But again, it will be...
00:15:13
Oscar
Hmm.
00:15:14
Zak
I'm sure there's plenty of that to come. We've got pre-season. Potentially, we're also even speaking Saints news, we're potentially also ah planning to get our first signing from Germany because obviously we've got that weird... The league opens up.
00:15:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
I saw that, Ruma.
00:15:25
Zak
The window opens up at the first, right? So...
00:15:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
I saw that, and I laughed immediately, because how... clutching at straws do you have to be for the biggest rumour to be, well, he's from this country.
00:15:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, just narrows it all the way down.
00:15:37
Oscar
Yeah.
00:15:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
good a good job. but
00:15:43
Zak
Oh, but...
00:15:43
Oscar
Fairly educated guess as well, given that the Spores is from Germany.
00:15:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah yeah
00:15:47
Zak
Either way, for me, it's one of those things that it shows we're moving on from last season, right? That we need to move on from last season. Despite the fact that one year ago today, lads, the playoff final took place. It's probably one of the best days best days out I've ever had.
00:16:04
Zak
And I think when they were interviewing Russell Martin for the playoff final, playoff final, he was on, if anyone watched that coverage. And he was talking about how he said, look, it was one of the best days of my life. People have said it's one of the best days of their lives. It's like, yeah, I'll give you that.
00:16:21
Zak
You definitely gave us that, Russ. It's just everything that came after that's the the problems we have. But so with it's a year to the day as we do our end of season review.
00:16:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:16:31
Zak
oh
00:16:32
Oscar
I think that's what he said, right? Enjoy it while it lasts. Because it's going to be tough.
00:16:35
Zak
Yeah, what he said to Sunderland.
00:16:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:16:36
Zak
He was like, oh, because obviously they, they again, were not the favourites. At least with us, we were one of the favourites to go up, back up, right? ah But alongside Leeds, to be fair, like it was a pretty even playoff final.
00:16:46
Oscar
Yeah.
00:16:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:16:49
Zak
Whereas I think Sunderland came out of left field as a potential to go up. And now the fact that they're a Premier League club is like, I keep forgetting that. I feel they must as well. ah Newcastle must be thrilled to have a proper derby in the Premier League now.
00:17:03
Zak
ah You know, so ah what ah what a strange time. But yeah, very much.
00:17:08
Oscar
I was quite looking forward to playing Sunderland next year.
00:17:08
Zak
ah ah devastating.
00:17:10
Oscar
My stepdad's a Sunderland fan, so that would have been and eight derbies for me next season. It's sad, but we'll see him again the season after. Well, we might know we might cross paths again.
00:17:22
Oscar
Who knows?
00:17:22
Zak
who Who knows? You know, we might we might go up alongside Wrexham.
00:17:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
All right, well, we we can speculate on that a bit more and have a little thought about some of our departing players, or at least some of the ones that are departing that we care about. her But first, a message from our partners at Zencaster.
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If you're ready to tell your story, check out the link in the show description and learn more about Zencaster. Okay, and we're back. So yeah, I just, I mean, KWP, we talked a bit about yesterday, but
00:18:13
Zak
Yeah.
00:18:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Is it a bit harsh to not really have a proper farewell to the fans?
00:18:19
Zak
ah the Where I'm at is like, yeah obviously, it's it's a bit of a mixed season. There's lots of stuff going on. He won't be the only player who was leaving yesterday. I feel like it's it's very much of his character to not be a diva in departing, right?
00:18:35
Zak
He stuck with us through relegation. He helped us get back into the Premier League. He's played not the best football, but he is always, in my opinion, put in like 100% effort when he's been played.
00:18:46
Zak
I don't think, you know... I think that a lot of the criticism of him is completely unfair. I don't really understand where it comes from, if I'm totally honest, because since day one, I remember watching his first game. We lost 1-0 to Burnley.
00:18:59
Zak
It was awful. It was the only game that, other than the playoff final, my wife came with me to football, and that is what... Nail in the coffin, but we saw the bright little spark of of a young... kyle walker peters and thought oh this is you know this lad's hopefully got got some good games i mean him you know signing under ralph asen who and he's he's stuck for all right like even as much as some people have gone through their redemption arcs like jan bednarek after going to villa like we never had that with kyle he's just stayed with us the whole time there was lots of rumors about him going lots of you know and i know some people said oh there were no offers in for him i don't believe that for a second so um you know and okay he decided
00:19:31
Oscar
Hmm.
00:19:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's It's amazing. It's amazing how many offers might slip under the radar if your agent doesn't want to stir up the rumor mill.
00:19:40
Oscar
Yeah.
00:19:40
Zak
Yeah, crazy crazy that. So and that's the thing.
00:19:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Crazy thing.
00:19:43
Zak
And he's stuck he's stuck with it. he's He's worked hard all season. And yeah, he's kind of gone out with a little bit of, ah you know, and who boy who knows where he ends up next season. You know, there talks of Galatasaray. Maybe he ends up back at Spurs because clearly he has a love and affinity for the club.
00:19:55
Zak
And I don't think he ever really wanted to leave. But he's been a consummate professional the entirety of the time he's been our club. I wish him the best.
00:20:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:20:02
Zak
And he's left with, you know, it's on completely good terms, right? And if he ever comes back as one of the ones in the future, I'll take him back.
00:20:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
hundred hundred percent
00:20:11
Zak
like
00:20:11
Oscar
and
00:20:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:20:12
Oscar
I think that's it. that's You hit the nail on the head with the words consummate professional. like You're right with agents. If a player wants to move, a rumour doesn't start without a player saying to an agent or an agent sometimes starting it themselves, but saying, oh, this is where want to leave.
00:20:28
Oscar
The fact there was so little for Walker-Peters, either instruction or you know, or he's got a good agent, but it's not, it's refreshing to see. And like, you can even see on the pitch, like that's, I, that I think is maybe an area as to why he sometimes got grief because he's quite laid back.
00:20:46
Oscar
He's quite, it just doesn't seem like he cares sometimes. I don't think that's the case.
00:20:49
Zak
Almost too chill, right?
00:20:50
Oscar
It's just, yeah, exactly.
00:20:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:52
Oscar
Like, and he's never, you know, he's never the one that wants to applaud it or anything like that. So, you know, we, he's probably pretty much the, probably the the flip of someone like Lanko or, you know, where he's going to come and, and,
00:21:04
Oscar
For the record, I love Lion Coat, but... um Where he's going to come and...
00:21:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
and
00:21:08
Oscar
Yeah.
00:21:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think I said it, I don't know if I said it on the podcast, or i've said it I've definitely said it publicly, but if Lianco had as much ability as he had passion, he would have been the greatest player of all time.
00:21:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
There's no doubt about that. think he's still right thing to that.
00:21:23
Oscar
Yeah.
00:21:23
Zak
I think he's doing all right in Brazil now, which is at least a good point. I saw, i saw, i keep seeing some like flash stats of him being like one of the better defenders in the league at the moment.
00:21:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
him.
00:21:31
Zak
So that's a nice little story. Who else, who else is now out of contracts? Obviously like there's rumors a rebo wants to go and doesn't want to do another year in the championship. So he potentially got a rebo gone. Ugachukwu, honorable mention, like as soon as he was actually played, as far as I'm concerned, he put in, you know, absolutely, absolutely fantastic for us.
00:21:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Absolutely.
00:21:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Class act for us this season.
00:21:46
Oscar
Yeah. Hmm.
00:21:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
Brilliant.
00:21:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, it shows his worth to the team that he was played in a team yesterday that was, you know, one that was looking for the future when he was, he's never going to be here in the future.
00:21:52
Zak
Uh,
00:21:59
Oscar
yeah
00:22:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's Chelsea going want him playing Premier League football. He's not going to end up back with us. So,
00:22:06
Zak
Do we think Solomar will stay? Because apparently there rumours that Lenz were trying to buy or try at least get him on loan potentially during the January window. So and under a new manager, do you think that we'll finally see the Solomar we all saw but when we first got him in?
00:22:16
Oscar
i
00:22:22
Zak
Or do you think that's run his race now?
00:22:23
Oscar
I think that project, I think it's ran its race, personally.
00:22:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think, was it the Daily Echo that... Was the Daily Echo the paper that ah bought the term last day of the season, Suleymane?
00:22:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because that's when he finally decided to show up? Like, seen it twice now.
00:22:38
Oscar
Or transfer window, Suleyman.
00:22:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's...
00:22:40
Oscar
I just think he's had he had a couple of seasons in the Premier League show it, never showed it.
00:22:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:45
Oscar
Season in the Championship, we think, right, okay, well, he's got to be able to show it now. still couldn't show it. I don't think it's an attitude thing. I don't think... I think, you know, he's...
00:22:56
Oscar
I think... For me, I don't think it's going to work.
00:22:58
Zak
they they They took a risk. He's had some long-term injuries, right? ah they They took a risk and, you know, it maybe be it's difficult for him to get back to it.
00:23:02
Oscar
Yeah.
00:23:06
Zak
And, you know, where I'm at is in comparison to some of the other players that have downed tools. You know, we've potentially... We've still got another year of Ryan Fraser. Not that we know where he is. i don't have any anything against him. I just think it was a bit weird that he didn't even get in last week.
00:23:18
Oscar
He won't...
00:23:20
Zak
like the last Because, obviously, Charlie Taylor appeared out nowhere yesterday.
00:23:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:23:23
Oscar
Yeah, he wasn't there yesterday, was he?
00:23:23
Zak
um but
00:23:24
Oscar
Did anyone see him? I was trying to look for him.
00:23:26
Zak
No, because obviously when they were talking about injuries, like even Grombeck, who we we kind of, well, I know that I've speculated where he's been and then it was confirmed he had an injury. there was There was like actual information about him, right?
00:23:39
Zak
There was like, you know, people, they they said he's out because of because of injury.
00:23:40
Oscar
Hmm.
00:23:43
Zak
Whereas with Ryan Fraser, I think it's just similar to Charlie Taylor. just not, who knows? But obviously he's still got a year left.
00:23:49
Oscar
Hmm.
00:23:49
Zak
So he's going to be with us like lump it unless he goes as a free agent or something like that. um So, it's yeah, yeah and i don't you know Ramsdale potentially on his way out as well.
00:23:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah ah Yeah, I mean, I've ah heard on the grapevine that perhaps we're looking to send him out on loan with the hope of bringing him back to go up to the Premier League, somewhere like Bournemouth would take him for a season potentially, and then we'll have him back if we go up, which, I mean, it's interesting because it's an interesting i position with Bozunu still injured that
00:23:57
Zak
It's just...
00:24:11
Oscar
or any of the Prem Clubs.
00:24:11
Zak
That would be interesting.
00:24:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
even with the relegation clause that's going to be triggered and, you know, potentially having to let him go. going put us in a position again where we're going to need to probably sign a goalkeeper. I think Lumley is one of the players out of contract as well.
00:24:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Not that Lumley would, I don't think would make any of our run-ins to be the first choice goalkeeper in the championship, but yeah, it's going to be an interesting one.
00:24:39
Zak
No.
00:24:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
And look, the,
00:24:42
Oscar
I can't see Ramsdale staying. i think I think from his perspective, i don't think that would benefit him in any way. I think i think he's pretty much got the pick of the league, more or less. I think he's going to have plenty of suitors.
00:24:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah Yeah, I agree.
00:24:54
Oscar
Apparently, Man United might be getting rid of O'Nana and they're rumoured to be linked with him. So, if they've got any money left.
00:24:59
Zak
us
00:25:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, but does he want to go for another relegation battle is the real question.
00:25:01
Zak
Yeah, it's kind that's got to say, mate.
00:25:05
Oscar
Yeah, that's true.
00:25:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
If he picks Man United, like...
00:25:08
Zak
I don't know.
00:25:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:08
Zak
What's the record of relegations under different clubs? Because I think that, you know, might manage it.
00:25:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:14
Oscar
ah think I think I heard about this because I think Ben Foster said on his podcast that he's the most relegated goalkeeper in history.
00:25:14
Zak
Yeah, I got my ears. 4-4-4.
00:25:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:22
Oscar
But actually he's not because it's Ben Foster. I think Ben Foster was relegated five times. um I think Ramsdale's, what is this, his fourth or his third?
00:25:32
Oscar
Third maybe.
00:25:32
Zak
got me is four fullal
00:25:32
Oscar
Born with Sheffield us.
00:25:35
Zak
So yeah, either way. or And obviously, flip side of that, um as much as he might not be with us, we don't want to talk about it. Signing of the season, Matty Fernandes, all in agreement?
00:25:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, yeah.
00:25:46
Oscar
Yeah.
00:25:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Signing of the season.
00:25:47
Zak
Okay, good.
00:25:47
Oscar
Not just signing of the season, player of the season in general.
00:25:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hopefully he's the only good part of the season. Yeah.
00:25:51
Oscar
Yeah.
00:25:52
Zak
Fans, player of the season.
00:25:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hopefully.
00:25:53
Zak
So obviously, the Australian supporters, player of the season, the most important award.
00:25:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, absolutely. ah the
00:25:59
Oscar
I suppose it's proper probably fairly obvious they didn't do a player awards this year, did they?
00:26:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
They did. They didn't broadcast it very well, but they did one last week.
00:26:05
Oscar
Oh, they did do one.
00:26:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
And Matty Fernandez cleaned house is basically the the the story there.
00:26:08
Oscar
Oh, okay.
00:26:11
Oscar
Oh, okay.
00:26:14
Oscar
Oh, they kept that quiet.
00:26:14
Zak
Oh, yeah, but I think this is this is the thing, right? it's been it's managing discontent and managing... you know and it's it's going to be an interesting job for, I think, Will Steele to come in and try and re-inject that atmosphere of winning again and remind us all that we can actually win and try and get the fans on side because even...
00:26:22
Oscar
Yeah, Mm-hmm.
00:26:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
And look, let's let's hope that he's immediately pulled Matty Fernandez into his office, laid out the plan and just gone, You know, we as fans have had quiet words in Matty's ear while he's going down signing autographs. What more can we do?
00:26:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
Just...
00:26:50
Zak
Look, Greg has one day outside chatting to the players, and this is why he now thinks that he's managed to convince Rambo to stay.
00:26:56
Oscar
I
00:26:58
Zak
He's there like, oh, everyone here thinks Ramstown's going to stay, and I'm like, mm-hmm.
00:26:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, Ramsdale specifically... Ramsdale specifically didn't come inside autographs, so...
00:27:06
Zak
Mm-hmm.
00:27:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
no look ah it's It's an interesting one, but I think the the fact of the matter is that the relegation clause, like the amount of money that is going to have to be met just to take the choice out of our hands is is going to happen regardless, right?
00:27:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
So
00:27:21
Oscar
i think the club would probably want it as well, to be honest, because we can invest that.
00:27:21
Zak
yeah
00:27:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's got a high wage bill. Yeah.
00:27:26
Oscar
yeah We've got two goalkeepers that are good enough for the championship, I would say. all can Or we can buy another one that's good enough for the championship.
00:27:33
Zak
This is McCarthy, like, 55 now.
00:27:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:27:36
Oscar
Yeah.
00:27:36
Zak
i to be To be fair, that's mean.
00:27:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:27:39
Zak
I swear, every time I talk about him, i had about another five years on, but...
00:27:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
But that is, but that, I mean, that is why we signed Ramsdale because although it was a statement signing that we were going to try and make something of the season, it was also a risk averse signing because, you know, the relegation clause in his contract is to make a bit of money on him and he a, you know, resellable asset. He's always going to go for what we bought him for. It was a, it was a bargain purchase.
00:28:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
it was a no-brainer. was risk-averse. I mean, he's still a world-class goalkeeper.
00:28:08
Oscar
Yeah.
00:28:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Do a job in any of these middle-of-the-table Premier League teams comfortably.
00:28:10
Oscar
Yeah.
00:28:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:28:15
Oscar
I think even towards the top, I think you could you could see where the reaction from the Arsenal fans to him, like, you know, he's not, that wouldn't happen if he thought he was no good.
00:28:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:28:26
Oscar
Actually, don't think they were particularly happy when he got chopped, to be fair. So, yeah.
00:28:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
It was a controversial one ah because of his his popularity. but Do we think Yanni B will stay? Or is he he off as well?
00:28:39
Zak
£6 million pound relegation clause not played for the last four or five games.
00:28:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:28:43
Zak
um I feel it... if It feels a bit... yeah I don't want to... i so Obviously, we've been through redemption arc and I don't want to put my foot in my mouth before the next season starts, right? But he did try and jump ship during our relegation season last time round where he went to Villa.
00:28:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm.
00:28:57
Oscar
Mm.
00:28:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Also worth mentioning that he's one of the few players that, you know, got beat 9-0 twice and has got us relegated twice.
00:28:59
Zak
And then...
00:29:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
So...
00:29:05
Oscar
That's the thing.
00:29:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:29:05
Oscar
I think it's probably about time for you know i think it's probably about time for for both parties just mutually. No no ill will either way.
00:29:13
Zak
yeah
00:29:15
Oscar
um
00:29:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:29:16
Oscar
And plus plus he's on probably a fair... I can't remember what he was on. I think he was about 70 grand. A fair old whack anyway that will be off the wage bill. And is he a player we really need next season?
00:29:27
Oscar
We've got quite a lot depth at centre-backs.
00:29:27
Zak
what What I'm confused by then is that obviously this if there's this relegation clause for 6 million,
00:29:28
Oscar
Yeah.
00:29:34
Zak
um there were all the rumours of him going up to Roma in January. And I can't figure out if like, so obviously we were like, oh, look, it shows what kind of guy he is. He's turned it down. Has he just turned it down because he's so convinced we're getting relegated that they can buy him on the cheap?
00:29:50
Zak
Or alternatively, is it something where he turned them down confident that he would get keep us in the league and then realised, well, actually, we're probably going to go down.
00:29:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Settle down.
00:29:54
Oscar
Yeah.
00:29:58
Zak
I guess I'll go to the first person that buys me.
00:29:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
settle down with your 12 million offer, you can buy me for, uh, six in September and four of that rest of that six that you say you can be my sign in bonus.
00:30:00
Zak
Yeah.
00:30:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:30:11
Oscar
yeah
00:30:11
Zak
Because especially where he talked about specifically as well, like how he settled in Southampton and didn't really want to move and that. And it share it's just, I guess, I guess it's ridiculous for us to ever believe anything that's ever said to us by anyone.
00:30:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:30:22
Zak
ah so And that's not just that's not just appropriate to football in this day and age.
00:30:28
Zak
That's everything across the board.
00:30:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
No. ah Well, yes. Alright, well, um... Is there anyone else? anyway I mean...
00:30:35
Oscar
Bella Kochap.
00:30:36
Zak
He's gone.
00:30:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
he's gotta be gone.
00:30:37
Zak
I don't...
00:30:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's...
00:30:40
Zak
He needs to start his career somewhere else, and I don't...
00:30:42
Oscar
Yeah.
00:30:43
Zak
It doesn't... I know that i've I've... I've had my critics more of... Less of him, and I think it's more of the people that acted like he was going to save the season, as if we'd left like...
00:30:52
Oscar
Yeah.
00:30:53
Zak
As if we'd left like a Lamborghini in the garage and just decided to not drive it.
00:30:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:30:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
but regardless yeah regardless what you think about the managers we've had this season, ah three people who have someone has decided to pay a lot of money to have footballing knowledge and ability have decided that he wasn't good enough for them.
00:30:58
Zak
um
00:30:58
Oscar
About four separate managers as well.
00:30:59
Zak
And then we...
00:31:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
So...
00:31:16
Zak
then we've got potentially
00:31:17
Oscar
ah doubt i don't think it's about ability. I think it's about his character, his attitude, which affects his ability because he's so unfit or not fresh because he's not been playing.
00:31:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:31:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, yeah, you can teach ability.
00:31:26
Oscar
But...
00:31:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
You can't teach attitude. ah That's the problem, right?
00:31:30
Oscar
Yeah.
00:31:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
you You can coach the rest.
00:31:32
Oscar
Yeah, I think ah think that the issue we have with people that think he should be starting is because he's the highest rated centre-back, probably on FIFA or Football Manager. So they think, well, we have to play them.
00:31:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:31:43
Zak
he he
00:31:44
Oscar
He's the top-rated player.
00:31:46
Zak
You're right. He was a wonder kid on Football Manager, can confirm.
00:31:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:31:49
Zak
ah Doesn't necessarily, but as we all know, means nothing.
00:31:49
Oscar
Yeah.
00:31:53
Zak
In the reality, like...
00:31:53
Oscar
Yeah.
00:31:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:31:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's it. All right. Well, unless you guys can think of anyone else that's worth a mention.
00:32:01
Zak
Tall Paul was probably maybe on his way out back to Turkey. um he He came in. he didn't... don't know. Did he change your mind, Greg?
00:32:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:32:09
Zak
Did he... repeat No. Okay. Yeah. Our top goal scorer, and he didn't change your mind.
00:32:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
We don't need...
00:32:15
Zak
How dare you, sir?
00:32:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean...
00:32:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
You can call it top goal scorer all you like, but I...
00:32:19
Oscar
It gets the fans on their feet, to be fair.
00:32:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean... Look... the man runs through cement and I've never seen someone who's have such poor ability in the think there's things. personally thoroughly enjoy how ridiculous it is. It's honestly like dinosaur circus.
00:32:33
Oscar
Yeah, I do agree. I think there's a few things. i i firstly thoroughly enjoy how ridiculous it is whenever he's on the pitch and like the fans just embrace it.
00:32:44
Oscar
it's It's honestly like a dinosaur in a circus. And then but one thing I really enjoyed yesterday, or whenever the game was, um was when he's, I think it was when he just tried to win that header.
00:32:56
Oscar
And then the ball's gone down the wing. And then i think it was Sigawara's looked up to cross it. And Tallpool was nowhere near the box. In fact, he was still roughly where he was stood after he'd won the header.
00:33:08
Oscar
And the person I was like, why isn't he getting in the box? i was like, are you joking? He's been on for five minutes. He's absolutely knackered. And the guy in front of me just turned around.
00:33:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:33:16
Zak
Oh,
00:33:17
Oscar
And he was just slowly trudging his way towards the box. Absolutely blowing. i was like...
00:33:26
Oscar
Honestly.
00:33:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, he was our top goal scorer with, what, four goals? I just... I mean...
00:33:36
Zak
Oh, mate. That shows you how bad it was. The entire season.
00:33:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
right, do you want some names of some, you want some names of some players who scored more Premier League goals than him this season?
00:33:40
Zak
It's got four...
00:33:46
Zak
Oh, no, probably Jaden Sancho being one of them.
00:33:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right, uh, Christian Norgard from Brentford got five, uh, Darwin Nunes, who notoriously couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo, got five, like,
00:34:03
Oscar
He's playing for Liverpool. Imagine the damage Tall Paul could do if he was playing for Liverpool.
00:34:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
uh, yeah, uh,
00:34:06
Zak
There you go.
00:34:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Gavardiole, who is a centre-back for Man City, who had a woeful season, got five.
00:34:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Kukurea for Chelsea, another centre-back, got five. Look,
00:34:20
Zak
Oh, mate. What a season. Oh, dear.
00:34:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's...
00:34:25
Oscar
I'd keep him for comedy value unless... Trevon's ball, we're going to have another sulk because we won't loan into him or give him to him for free.
00:34:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
oh cook
00:34:34
Oscar
But...
00:34:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
we could if we're talking about whip rounds, like, someone drive in there, please. Just, honestly, look, look,
00:34:40
Zak
yeah Oh, mate, we cannot end our end of season review on wanting to get rid of Paul Onoachi by driving him to Turkey. is not okay.
00:34:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
its yeah I think that he ah is a good character, and he has shown through his interviews that he genuinely cares, but It's just, I think he would struggle even more in the Championship than he has in the Premier League, because also for a man of such stature, he seems to be made of absolute paper.
00:35:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
So just don't think it's going to work out.
00:35:12
Oscar
Yeah.
00:35:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
like <unk> There's a more physical edge in the Championship, and he would struggle with that.
00:35:21
Zak
But it's it's it a new dawn, guys.
00:35:21
Oscar
yeah
00:35:22
Zak
It's a new age. It's a new manager. What is this? Our eight eighth manager in about for two fuck two, three years at this point?
00:35:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
it.
00:35:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, let's hope that in three years time, Will still is still our manager.
00:35:35
Zak
Here's hoping.
00:35:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
is Is the easy joke of Will, Will still, still be Saints manager at the end of the season still valid?
00:35:39
Zak
two
00:35:42
Zak
well
00:35:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
don't know. Wow. Yeah.
00:35:43
Zak
will he Will he be able to rival Hassohu by getting more than three Premier League wins in a season to be second manager?
00:35:50
Oscar
It's a low bar.
00:35:52
Zak
it' such a Such a low bar.
00:35:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
so like
00:35:56
Oscar
And have a player score more than four goals.
00:35:56
Zak
Oh, ah here we go.
00:35:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
wow yeah that Look, we are on and looking forward to better things. We're now actually at the end of this season, season one of the Daily Southampton. We're going to be taking a short break now.
00:36:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're going to take a minute, regroup. ah We'll be back at some point with with some stuff. We've got quite a bit planned for the off-season, but we're going to...
00:36:25
Zak
but back in some capacity one way or another. Keep an eye on our socials. That's all I'll say.
00:36:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's been a long, hard-fought season. I think we've all earned just a bit of rest from from what has, frankly, been painful and brutal.
00:36:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
But let we we know that the joy that next season can bring ah but competitive to be competitive in a match but I mean, another season where I don't seem as delirious when I predict a Saints win every game.
00:37:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's all we really want.
00:37:03
Zak
She went, ole, ole, ole.
00:37:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Absolutely. The best league in the world. We have confirmed our place in the championship and we are there for it. ah
00:37:14
Oscar
I that's how we should phrase it from now on. Not the race for the Champions League, the race for the championship.
00:37:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
The race for the championship. Yeah, absolutely. ah
00:37:23
Oscar
We won.
00:37:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
We will...
00:37:24
Oscar
We won.
00:37:25
Zak
We did. weve We won so early as well.
00:37:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
we won the race yeah so early we were the first ones there ah unbelievable well what season it's been an absolute pleasure guys thank you as always for joining me Zach Oscar ah thank you everyone for listening what has been a ah wonderful first season of the Daily Southampton podcast we will see you after our break
00:37:40
Zak
Likewise, mate.