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Episode 234: Away Kits, More Friendlies and European drama!
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Southampton –Lots to talk about today! The beautiful new away kit has launched! We talk about the kit, the launch, and lots lots more!
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts
00:00:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome back to the Daily Southampton, part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. My name is Greg Elliott and as always joined by my good friend and wonderful co-host, Zach Ingo Finch.
00:00:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
How doing mate? You alright?
00:00:22
Zak
Yeah, not
New Kit Launch Excitement
00:00:23
Zak
too bad. the The heat's picked back up, which is always terrible for me. However, new kit day, and I love it. So I'm sure we're going get into it, but I've definitely ordered it.
00:00:32
Zak
This was the first time in a long time that on the day of launch, I've gone, need that.
00:00:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:00:37
Zak
need that like right now.
00:00:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
nice
00:00:40
Zak
So yeah, mate, it's always a good day what what when you spend some money.
00:00:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's nice.
00:00:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
let me tell you that Let me tell you that with the active technology that they've put in this shirt, the the heat wouldn't be a problem and the sweat would just roll right off it.
00:00:55
Zak
do Do you mean the dry cell technology, Puma's patented technology?
00:00:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
You wouldn't need it at all. Dry cell technology.
00:01:01
Zak
Because apparently that's how how polyester works now. I mean, I don't know.
00:01:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:01:05
Zak
I've seen how football shirts look on footballers over the last couple of years, right? Where where the amount of times where this the shirt within five minutes is just soaking wet is beyond me. But hey, you how what do I know? I clearly don't design fabrics for a living, so...
00:01:20
Zak
Hey-ho, there's more important and more fun stuff to talk about regarding it than the super good dry cell technology, mate.
00:01:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
I
00:01:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
don't know. it's just It excites me. Maybe it maybe it'll work. ah Look, I like it. I very
Nostalgia and Kit Design
00:01:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
much like the kit. And all of the feedback I have seen on the kit is very positive, which is ah ah frankly unheard of, right?
00:01:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like,
00:01:41
Zak
Yeah, that's that's kind of where I'm at.
00:01:42
Zak
And I really, really liked it. And the only the only bit of feedback that made me laugh, not that it's made me change my mind on it, was my wife going, oh, I've been trying to figure out where I know it from. but then she just like, I've got it.
00:01:53
Zak
Refreshers. Swizzles refresher bars. the The blue and yellow bars. And I'm like, I don't understand why it looks more like that than, say, our last blue and yellow kit. I think maybe it's that it's a lighter blue this time around. But I get where she's coming from.
00:02:08
Zak
And I also don't hate that. it's It's still a good comparison.
00:02:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:02:12
Zak
yeah It's some universally across Twitter and everything.
00:02:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
oh
00:02:17
Zak
I've noticed everyone's like, this kit is brilliant. I really like this kit. I really like this kit. I think the only... though There's a couple of opinions I've seen. I'm quite happy that not collared. I'm happy to have a non-collared shirt out of the three I'm inevitably going to buy.
00:02:29
Zak
But some people really, really wish it had a collar on it as well. don't know how you feel about that, Greg.
00:02:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
a If I tell you I hadn't noticed, would you even be surprised?
00:02:39
Zak
No, i would't i would not be surprised in the slightest, but yeah.
00:02:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
I like it.
00:02:45
Zak
It's
00:02:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's nice to have the option, right? like I really like the collar on the red and white, but actually, this without the collar looks really nice. I like the sponsor.
00:02:55
Zak
action
00:02:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
I just i really like it, mate. It's just...
00:02:58
Zak
just a very nice kit. like It's just very, very nice and hopefully we'll have some like banging.
00:03:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah love thee I love the yellow and blue. Like, the...
00:03:05
Zak
always have done as well. We we talked about this in our whatever what was it called good lord yeah i blind the kit rankings there you i can see you can tell i'm still very social media pilled greg
00:03:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Our kit blind rankings.
Kit Launch Observations and Humor
00:03:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
but yeah
00:03:20
Zak
but yeah like that's always been of my favorites you'll probably see me on the podcast if you if you watch it video format you'll see or even the clips i'm usually in that kit quite lot because yeah it's just a really really nice kit so the idea that they're going to have an even sort of nicer looking ones uh very very
00:03:34
Zak
very very high So Greg, it turns out, obviously, 90s, which makes sense because it's a 90s kit, which we should have really like put a lot more of 2 and 2 together earlier on.
00:03:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:03:45
Zak
didn't.
00:03:46
Zak
the The theme does seem to be generic nostalgia, considering we've got two kits, one from the 90s, one from the 70s.
00:03:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:03:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right.
00:03:53
Zak
And I'm guessing...
00:03:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
I've put, I've looked at some of the pictures, right? Okay. and And I'm sure we'll get into the players that have been picked. at a point. But I've got a couple of observations. Now, firstly, Jack Stevens has been given the Yuki Sugawara treatment in his particular version of the photo.
00:04:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
he He has not been done... The upsetting thing is, on the store website, Yuki and that particularly unfortunate, like grumpy-looking Jack Stevens photo are the ones they've picked to go with to click on to get the kits. Like, it's...
00:04:31
Zak
Oh, dear. No, you're not wrong. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:04:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
The second thing I wanted to point out before we get too deep into to the players that they've picked to model it right, is there's a great picture of this 90s retro of Matty Fernandez and Wellington playing games together.
00:04:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Now, Wellington is on a classic DualShock 1 PS1 controller, and Matty Fernandez is on what looks to be a GameCube controller.
00:04:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, what are they playing? Like,
00:05:01
Zak
It could be one separate TV, mate. There could be two separate TVs. you know that That was how it was back in the day.
00:05:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:05:07
Zak
You'd have to LAN parties. you you know If if you you hit the amount of split screen, and also, what if you want to play two different games at the same time? But also, the GameCube wasn't out in the 90s, so you're probably more likely N64, mate.
00:05:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's an N64. You're right. Oh, man.
00:05:23
Zak
I'm going to have to double-check this photo now because because it's bothered me, so please hold.
00:05:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah. It might just be like an off-brand coloured DualShock 1 controller, but...
00:05:31
Zak
Yeah, that's just a yellow DualShock, mate. are you chatting about? as though That's no GameCube, Sass, then 64. It's fine. it's fine
00:05:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
just doesn't look right. It doesn't look right. I don't remember there ever being a yellow controller.
00:05:41
Zak
the is ah ah It's a very 90s bedroom, like classic oak, like wood furniture everywhere. You got the Letizia picture in the background.
00:05:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:05:51
Zak
Yeah, it's it's it's solid, mate.
00:05:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:05:52
Zak
It's a really nice kit. You're right, though. a Bold choice, picking Fernandes to be one of the kit people, right?
00:05:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah Hopefully it's different because I think hopefully Matt is going to stay.
00:05:59
Zak
is this Is this like what we thought Wade Ward-Prowse was staying? Because he modelled the kit.
00:06:07
Zak
Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Uh, right? Like...
00:06:10
Zak
Well, also, must of the modelling must have taken place, I want to say, a little bit later. And the only reason I say that is because he's been away for a long time, right? So was this done before Portugal or after?
00:06:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:06:21
Zak
Because apparently he's only been back in the building a few weeks, right?
00:06:23
Zak
So...
00:06:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, and and he wasn't really involved in the HomeKit photos that we've seen, so did, like, those photos just not come out very well? Or did they just pick him for the face of the AwayKit?
00:06:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
I...
00:06:35
Zak
Either way, there's some nice quality shots. There's ah ah a good modeling gun on there.
Kit Purchase and Future Designs
00:06:41
Zak
It's nice to see. you know it's just It's just a really nice kit. you know Arch is looking a bit like he's going beat me up.
00:06:49
Zak
yeah He looks to be in a swimming pool changing room, but it's a bit liminal spacey and creeps me out a little bit. But I don't know if that's just me being like...
00:07:02
Zak
I don't know if that's saying more about the things I'm scared of than anything else, mate.
00:07:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, you've got to think that it's an artistic choice for these expressions and not just that our footballers are so miserable from last season they couldn't even muster a smile, right?
00:07:14
Zak
na it's gotta be it's got to be, you're right, it's got to be artistic choice, right?
00:07:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, it's got to be...
00:07:17
Zak
Like, that's where I'm at. But either way, it's one of those photos where it's a bit, I'm a bit, a bit sort of like, oh, we, you know, it's a bit, it's bit weird.
00:07:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
I love the, like, awkward angle mirror shot as well. Uh...
00:07:32
Zak
Yeah, they're all...
00:07:33
Zak
they're I remember though there was one that I've i've already lost the meme, but it was very funny of him in the background looking like he's stalking you. like he's Like, right at the end of a corridor looking forward through, right?
00:07:45
Zak
And it's very much sort of...
00:07:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:47
Zak
it's It's just good. It's good fun. it's it's been They've had two really, really solid kit launches now, right? And like this campaign has done well enough to make me buy it immediately.
00:07:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:07:57
Zak
which again is usually not a thing. I usually pick one kit sort of before the season starts and that's when I'll go pick it up. Never on launch day have I gone, oh, actually I need to buy that almost immediately, which is where I'm at now. So I guess that says what my opinions are on which per kit I prefer this year.
00:08:14
Zak
more than anything. them But as I said, I'm convinced we're going to end up I'm going to end up with all three.
00:08:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Is
00:08:18
Zak
Because looking at what the potential leaked away kit, ah ah sorry, third kit's meant to be, is that's meant to be 2000s, right? That's meant to be 2001, 2002, the sort of friends provident so providen one
00:08:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
actually retro?
00:08:32
Zak
So that's... So so were we're now we're now we're now going to have 70s, 90s and 2000s. So we can now fully establish, Greg, that the generic theme
00:08:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, is that
00:08:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah it that Is that how far we've come?
00:08:45
Zak
so yeah I can't remember who I was speaking to about this a couple weeks ago. and This is a bit off topic, but this was talking about how like vintage jewelry is anything over like 20 years old.
00:08:55
Zak
So they, they had like jewelry from like when they were at school that like was hand, like it was bought by their parents suddenly for like year seven or something. And it's now technically classed as vintage because it's outside that. So, so yeah, 2000, mate, as upset as it would be, 25 years ago.
00:09:12
Zak
so
00:09:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, well, with that existential crisis slowly unfolding, I think I need a break.
00:09:14
Zak
So it would be a
00:09:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
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Pre-season and Player Loans
00:10:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we are back. So that's it. Nice kit launch out of the way. Zach, next up, another little behind-closed-doors pre-season friendly today against our French sister club.
00:10:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
thatd be That'd be fun.
00:10:20
Zak
it should be interesting. i don't know how much we're going hear out of this one, right? I don't think that it's got any sort of Alfie House has been flown out to France or anything to my knowledge, but I'm sure...
00:10:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
is that Is it at Staplewood?
00:10:31
Zak
No, thought it was over there.
00:10:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm pretty sure it's at Staplewood.
00:10:35
Zak
I thought they'd flown out. I might be making that up
00:10:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
I thought this one was at Staplewood and that the then next week we fly out to Spain for our kit.
00:10:47
Zak
That would make more sense. Either way, it feels like I'm definitely less in the know than you.
00:10:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I'm sure I saw it, yeah.
00:10:53
Zak
i've I've been so caught up with the kit releases. i remember seeing a... I think it was... I assumed it was there because it was a picture of the the badge in a training ground that I perhaps didn't recognize and maybe I should have realized it was same.
00:11:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it says, on Friday, Saints welcome fellow Sports Republics to Lencians.
00:11:09
Zak
Right. Then, yeah. Then I am completely in the wrong, which shows you how well my brain's going today, mate.
00:11:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Then we'll have to find...
00:11:16
Zak
But yeah, either way, it's exciting. More pre-season.
00:11:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:11:19
Zak
Packing. More pre-season. Packing. More running. More players doing well. As I said, like we've still got a couple of chances for some players to come good.
00:11:30
Zak
We're all hoping, realistically, for like a Ben Brereton-Diaz hat-trick, right? Something like that. Just something to... I would like to see some surprises, but I feel like that isn't necessarily going to be the case.
00:11:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm.
00:11:39
Zak
you know i mean? I think that we're probably going to see more of the same. There was talk of... was seeing rumours are sort of knocking around. Obviously, it's X. to Take it. It's Twitter. Take it with a like pinch of salt.
00:11:50
Zak
But saw rumours knocking around of so potentially the they want Masuki to go out on loan this season and they're just getting him some sort pre-season minutes in, which if that's the case is mad because like ah ah it just seems like he's more than ready. He's the one that's like you know had a whole loan to get used to being bedded in at the club.
00:12:07
Zak
If we're just going to send him out on loan again, I don't really understand what the purpose of putting him through the ringer is.
00:12:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a tricky one, right? Because although he's like a promising talent, if you think about the sort of shape we're expecting to play with and we're expecting to play with some sort of midfield three is what I sort of feel like we've seen in preseason or maybe with a sort of two with a proper attacking-minded 10.
00:12:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Does he get in over Matty Fernandes? Flynn Downs, even Shea Charles. So is maybe loan like a sense option?
00:12:45
Zak
yeah, but it depends on depends what's happening, right? Like they don't want a reboot to see out his contract. He's the one that seems to be getting the least amount of minutes, right? Like he started on the bench a couple of times.
00:12:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:12:55
Zak
He's come on, but it it very much feels like he, he wants to be on his way out. So that leaves us. Yeah. With Shea Charles, Flynn downs, sort of Matty Fernandez, if he stays, but I thought he would work in that sort of two with Matty in front and he would play sort of box to box.
00:13:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:13:10
Zak
And I'm just kind of surprised that we would let somebody that so far has shown probably the most promise next to Jay Robinson in our like three or two preseason games we've had so far.
00:13:21
Zak
And, you know, we brought him back off of loan and it just kind of seems a bit of a waste. That's just my opinion, right?
00:13:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:13:27
Zak
Like, you know, obviously people know I have a bias. I i want him to do well. I i was very excited and we signed him. So, but yeah, I'm kind of...
00:13:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, I agree. i i would love to see, like, huge things through in this season. I just, I don't know if he'll be given the space to flourish because at the moment our midfield's quite competitive, right? Like, especially if we get the signing of another creative midfielder that we're looking to, you know, that's the mysterious third signing that was pre-agreed, like.
00:13:59
Zak
But that's the thing. We also still haven't heard anything about that. So I'd be interested to see where that lands now and whether or not they would may un lot they'll put it towards something else, such as like a goalkeeper. If that comes around, obviously we haven't, you know, I know we we chat a lot about whether or not that's going to be a thing that we need, but I still think
00:14:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
a point of concern. It is the point of concern.
00:14:18
Zak
Going into a season with supposedly two goalkeepers seems a bit insane to me, especially considering both of those goalkeepers in the last season and a half have had long, not long-term injuries, but like there were a couple of times that McCarthy was out right when he had to play a lot of games in a row.
00:14:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:14:34
Zak
And it's just concerning. So I think
Transfer Market and Squad Strategy
00:14:37
Zak
we should, you know...
00:14:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
It feels a lot like the calm before the storm on the transfer front at the moment, doesn't it?
00:14:37
Zak
Okay.
00:14:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, it's all really settled down and quiet. Like, like we know stuff's going to happen. We know stuff's coming. But it's it's really hard to tell what.
00:14:51
Zak
Yes, like it was's it's like we're already seeing seeing reports. apparently Apparently, West Ham want to go after Taylor Harwood-Bellis and are supposedly waiting for like a late bid. I don't like the lateness of it all.
00:15:03
Zak
like Again, we're in no position where we need to sell. so having to sort of um So having to disrupt players just before the season starts...
00:15:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm. Hmm.
00:15:12
Zak
when we don't really need to do that, it seems a bit silly. Obviously, some of this isn't our decision, right? Some of this will be the clubs. But then, yeah, just kind of, we should be concentrating realistically on what's going to happen next season.
00:15:25
Zak
And you, you know, I know that pre-season's fitness and bits and pieces, but we we are going to have to start building for what's next. And if there are people that... don't want to be here and are kind of on their way out, then surely you should prioritize the people that want to be here and stay, right? Like you've had a couple of people that have... Like I saw, we saw Jan yesterday in that video, in the spider video of all things, like the weird first kind of real real sort of appearance from him.
00:15:52
Zak
And I don't really know that that kind of those tro transfer rumors kind of died down. So now we're going to be left with 27 center backs to play all positions across the field. So Is it...
00:16:03
Zak
It's over the card before the storm, or, like, turns out the storm was just, like, the two two players we bought, which seems a bit...
00:16:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Now I just ah ah feel like there's
00:16:11
Zak
just don't believe that.
00:16:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Nah, exactly. is It's got to be the calm before the storm, because we still have to trim this squad one way or another, right? So, it's such huge numbers that we've got in. It's of, ah ah frankly, such mixed quality.
00:16:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's it really interesting position to be in.
00:16:28
Zak
Yeah, it's...
00:16:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's not great.
00:16:33
Zak
Mixed quality is is the key there, right?
00:16:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
It would be nice to have...
00:16:34
Zak
That's going to be the problem is it's also figuring out because, you know, we've seen it happen with different different managers and different systems, quote unquote, that some players come good and some don't, right?
00:16:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:16:44
Zak
like That's how we've managed to get like an extra sort of £10 million pounds for Solomana that we never expected to get.
00:16:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:16:50
Zak
So there are opportunities for quite a few players here.
00:16:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:16:53
Zak
that we would kind of deem towards the end of their Southampton career. But a lot of them aren't exactly doing anything to go out in a blaze of glory. As you pointed out, that that first friendly seemed more like the original Gillingham game where we really was able to test, okay, well, this is who is going to play for us in the future and this who this is who isn't.
00:17:09
Zak
And yeah, i just I just feel like some of the rumours for transfers away and some of the rumours for sort of people going to stay worries me just a little bit. Just little bit. I know that we went into yesterday with massive positive vibes and like really, really hyped up. And I go into this friendly hoping we'll do really, really well and they'll they'll get some more minutes under their belt and a few more goals and quote-unquote continue winning ways. But...
00:17:33
Zak
it is also sort of like, I'm like, are we really, really going to be sending out sort of some of our promising talents and keep some players that, eh?
00:17:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
What would be really interesting to me off the back of tomorrow or today's game is looking back at the reflective starting lineups and seeing what's changed and what's the same.
00:17:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm sure that across the two games we might start to see something that looks like a first choice 11 of what we've got at the moment starting to form.
00:18:03
Zak
Well, yeah, that's what they did. and Obviously, Gillingham were like two 60-minute games, right?
00:18:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm. Yeah, it's going to be the same, going to be the same format.
00:18:08
Zak
Well, 60-minute halves. Yeah, and they and they very much did that, where they they swapped around some of the attacking players, and you've got like sort of Archer and and sort of Armour, and then on the other side you had Stuart, whereas previously in the second half of Eastleigh it was like Archer.
00:18:22
Zak
so So they've already started to sort of chop and change and mix things around and see who who has chemistry together and who doesn't.
00:18:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:18:28
Zak
And i like one of the reasons I'm i'm there, is like it's the same with the criticism of Adozi, is that, again, every time, the obviously it's only been two pre-season friendlies, but the two it's been agreed that the second team has obviously shown more of what we want.
00:18:43
Zak
And that second team has included Adozi twice, Matsuki twice, couple of other players twice, you know and it hasn't really included sort of like the likes of
00:18:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:18:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:18:52
Zak
Ryan Fraser and you know Adam Armstrong and people like that. So, you know, again, I'm always open for redemption arcs. I'm just very... to be striking the right balance between youth and people that are willing to play this new way of football and...
00:19:08
Zak
adapt to this new style. And then you've got ah ah you've got the experience of being in the championship.
00:19:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:19:13
Zak
but i've also
00:19:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:19:15
Zak
I also worry that you don't want almost too much of the taint of last year. Because the taint of last year, as we talked about, was like... Well, they even said, and we we we talked about it, literal trauma is how some people felt after the end of last season. Because...
00:19:30
Zak
you know And ah going going in that, you're going need some people that don't necessarily have that trauma. And that's why i think that you know if you have a one or two new people in every position, in every sort of area of the park, you're not going to be able to dwell on that too much. And you know if you're passing amongst players that you were... pre you know what What was the stat you were telling me beforehand? like Taylor Harwood-Bellis apparently has more passes than the entirety of Barcelona.
00:19:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
I absolutely made that up because it was funny. but It was definitely hyperbole for the sake of comedy.
00:19:55
Zak
Either way... it
00:20:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:20:01
Zak
the fact The fact that it's that believable, mate, shows you that, like...
00:20:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
but
00:20:07
Zak
Do you see what I mean? So it's it's, you know...
00:20:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:20:09
Zak
And I'm not saying that's a bad thing for the players and I'm hoping they come good. I've just got... I just don't understand why we we wouldn't use these options. And I genuinely see some of these loan returnees being like new transfers, and that's how we should treat them.
00:20:23
Zak
So the idea we that we'll just ship them straight back out again after involving them in pre-season, we may as well have just let them stay out on loan if we weren't going to bother. That's kind of where I'm at.
00:20:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Absolutely. All right. Well, I want to move on. I've got a couple of tidbits from the wider footballing word to to have a
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Okay, and we are back. Keeping it loosely, Saints related, Zach.
Transfer Speculations and Ownership Models
00:21:12
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See all this faff about Carl Walker-Peters no longer going to Basictas?
00:21:19
Zak
Well, ah ah apparently hadn't quite made up his mind. So he requested like a, think I could delay. And they were like, nah, that means that you're probably going to like maybe back out of this.
00:21:32
Zak
So we'd rather just say no to you immediately. Yeah, i i I said, like we we talked about it, I want to say yesterday, maybe the day before the sort of, it's kind of wild that he ended up in Turkey anyway.
00:21:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm.
00:21:46
Zak
i know that it's not, you know
00:21:50
Zak
know that as much as we valued him as a player, he was also still part of two relegations. He was one of the better players, but I thought, you know, he might end up at sort of a solid mid-table team or alternatively get like a move to Tottenham to kind of pad out their English players and homegrown rules.
00:22:10
Zak
And then it was kind of surprising that ended up in Turkey. I'm not going to lie. ah especially especially considering like a lot of his best mates like Solanke's at Tottenham. you know, Dele Alli is now what, at Como? So want to say in Mexico or or somewhere like that.
00:22:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
yes
00:22:24
Zak
So like, I'm very, ah ah italian or Italy, but I'm very surprised that you know i was very surprised that he was going to go there anyway. And now I'm wondering if either he's gone actually nah, or alternatively another offer has come in and he wants some time to have a look at that offer before he says yes.
00:22:42
Zak
And like the the problem with that, in in similar to Danny Roll at Sheffield Wednesday, is that he might now have had that offer withdrawn and the place that he might end up going might be like actually no, and then he ends up with less options than he had before.
00:22:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, Danny Roll's another interesting in one, right?
00:22:58
Zak
But if you're
00:23:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, he's really not made a good position for himself.
00:23:01
Zak
Yeah.
00:23:06
Zak
Well, his stock's certainly gone down, right?
00:23:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
You know, it looked like he was...
00:23:08
Zak
Like, he didn't get the Leipzig job, he didn't get the job at Ars, he didn't get the job at Leicester, he was kind of all for that, and now kind of made his position a little bit untenable at Sheffield Wednesday, and now apparently they're going part ways, which doesn't really surprise me, because I very much doubt you can go back into that room after coveting three or four jobs and look at all the players and be like, let's do our best.
00:23:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
me
00:23:28
Zak
But the way that that club's
00:23:29
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especially in the tricky position it's go to say Especially in the tricky position they're in at the minute..........
00:23:34
Zak
the way that clubs run, like if you, I feel like they don't really have much of choice because it's like, cool, are you going to start paying me or do I just, you know, am I not, am I not actually getting paid anymore? Because having to, having to like, all of that side of things is when we talk about,
00:23:49
Zak
you know we're not I'm probably more critical of Sports Republic of than you, right? That's safe to say. But when we talk about, let's just replace him with any old owner, like this is what any old owner could be, right?
00:24:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, 100%.
00:24:02
Zak
and and that's that's where
00:24:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:24:05
Zak
And then you end up with ah promising young manager who basically overplayed his hand and is now stuck in a horrible situation where he's probably going to leave and have to pick up a job that... maybe he initially didn't want.
00:24:15
Zak
But like I guess it's what happens when you fly close too close to the sun. It's no disrespect to the guy, but you know sometimes you you overplay the card you've been dealt and then you end up in a really, really rubbish position.
00:24:26
Zak
And hopefully he'll sort himself out. But yeah, the the Carl Walker-Peters thing may be similar. It may be not. maybe i just have a I have a feeling from the club's perspective that having you you know but expecting to sign a player the next day, and you even put like social media messaging out about it, and then nothing happens, and it's because the player's gone, actually, nah.
00:24:48
Zak
Yeah, I'm not really surprised that they would turn around and be like, do what? Fine, no. Because, like... sucks right like I guess I get you know it's got to be frustrating if you're a club like we've I don't really I can't really think of any huge examples that we've had other than the players that were already playing for us that don't want to stay but it's it's not pleasant for anybody involved but I always consider Kyle to be a top professional so I feel like it's not not it's not like it would do anything would be done underhanded put it that way he just said hey I want to delay and they went no
00:24:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:25:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:25:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
no
00:25:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
like
00:25:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it'll be an interesting one. I'm still ah fascinated to see where he will land at the end of the transfer window.
00:25:23
Zak
Indeed.
00:25:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
And i guess just briefly, as we're running out of time, opening the door to a massively complex subject that should warrant more discussion, but perhaps not on a Saints-based podcast.
00:25:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Crystal Palace getting thrown out of the Europa League is nuts, isn't it?
00:25:40
Zak
Well, you know, i was talking to you about this. I talked about our our own multi-club model. And you were like, that would require Grastepi to be in the European positions and us at the same time. And something like this happens. And I'm like, yeah, but the problem is, is like once this is, it sets a precedent, right?
00:25:57
Zak
And I can't help but feel the precedent is that one of the teams and their ownership broke the rules.
00:25:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:26:03
Zak
and then appealed to their, like to UEFA and AFA, and managed to basically get out of jail scot-free at the expense of another team that hasn't done anything wrong.
00:26:14
Zak
And I can't feel help but feel, unless it's to do with like weird, muddy stuff going on behind the scenes, why that's okay,
00:26:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's It's wholly baffling as well. And like there's so many additional layers of complexity. Like the fact that the bloke who owns both or had ownership in both of them now doesn't own Crystal Palace in any way.
00:26:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
He sold his part anyway.
00:26:37
Zak
Yeah.
00:26:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's such a strange...
00:26:39
Zak
it's It's like it's it's punishing somebody for someone else's misdeeds and misfortune.
00:26:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:26:45
Zak
And also it seems like I don't even know if Leon have got like a points deduction or anything. They basically just like had their punishment waived, right? They get to stay in League One. Right, like surely, okay, you get to stay in League One, you don't get to be in europe europe competition europe European competitions anymore, right?
00:27:02
Zak
I'm wondering if they went, well, that would kill our revenue stream. They're like, oh, fine. well Well, we'll let you stay in Europe considering you've budgeted for this revenue.
00:27:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's absolutely. Yeah.
00:27:10
Zak
But... all of this stuff is just like i don't really understand that and but this is the fear like what happens if then we get sold down the line from sports republic and then something happens similar of a similar vein it sets a precedent and it starts to make you wonder okay well how good are these multi-club models because if something like that could happen to us like imagine the outrage right like imagine on our field for crystal palace fans because it's just It's just not fair.
00:27:35
Zak
And like they seem to be those like, yeah, sorry, guys, just how it is. No, it's not. You can easily sort this problem out by just not allowing Leon to, yeah, it's like it's a can of worms.
00:27:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'll tell you what, though.
00:27:47
Zak
I could rage about it for an hour.
00:27:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
mo Multi-club models and the pros and cons is going to inevitably be an entire episode of its own coming up.
00:27:57
Zak
It could be a series at this rate, I'm not going lie. Come on. We are starting to see benefits from it, maybe.
00:28:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:28:05
Zak
right We get to send some players out on loan, they get some experience in and a good quote quality European league, and then come back experience. Again, if we don't... Not to bring it too much back to Masuki, but if you don't then utilise that... Same with Kaya Sander, right? like
00:28:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:28:23
Zak
We brought him over...
00:28:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:28:24
Zak
we utilised it a bit, but if we're going to send all of the people out on loan who we've bought in that we've sent to other clubs constantly, it's like, what's
Crystal Palace's Legal Challenge
00:28:31
Zak
the point? at that At that point, we're just becoming Chelsea where we own a bunch of players and loan them out for a fee.
00:28:37
Zak
But if it's amongst your own club, unless it's generated, it's just a lot of weird...
00:28:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I guess it's an interesting one, right? Because if if they're not ready for the championship this season, it's...
00:28:48
Zak
they going to be ready for the Premier League?
00:28:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, that's it, right? No loan spell is going to make them ready for the Premier League in a year's time. So...
00:28:54
Zak
No, and like i get I get that they're young, but that's unfortunately the the the age that professional footballers are breaking into the leagues is getting younger and younger anyway. And, you know, we should just deal with that.
00:29:07
Zak
Like, you don't you don't really see a lot of late bloomers now, right? I'm thinking, in fact, all I can think of is strikers like Ivan Toney and sort of Jamie Vardy are the last sort of ones in my head that I can think of where they've come through sort of later in life. If you've if you've got someone at 23, 24, and they still aren't ready to play in your second tier of English football that you've been demoted down into, when are you ever expecting them to become good?
00:29:30
Zak
If they're there to just be sold, then what's the point of passing them around in between the multi-club model?
00:29:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
I
00:29:35
Zak
like i just I'm waiting to see more benefits. I'm hoping we'll see them this season. but you know just doesn't really feel like it yet and that you get things like this where you know catastrophic multi-club model story you know again i know that it's a pipe dream that we might be back to europe one day but it's also not a pipe dream because we managed it once before
00:29:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
i
00:29:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
I feel for Crystal Palace and I hope their appeal works out for them.
00:29:58
Zak
do
00:30:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
It feels like they've got some confidence in their sort of legal challenges, so we'll see how it plays out.
00:30:05
Zak
but after After they won the FA Cup, my my like anger over the Zaha James Ward-Prowse incident of, like I don't know, about a decade ago at this point has calmed significantly.
00:30:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
good
00:30:17
Zak
And yeah, I really hope, i really hope you know because that that is the difference between a lot of money and then you've got sort of i'm not I'm not saying that Nottingham Forest are setting themselves up to be villains at the moment, but they're not doing themselves any favours.
00:30:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
eight
00:30:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:30:29
Zak
You've had you had like their own in-house referee to consistently call on refereeing decisions.
00:30:35
Zak
You've now got sort of them trying to say that release causes aren't release clauses, despite the fact they're release clauses.
00:30:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Legal challenges against Spurs, yeah.
00:30:43
Zak
You've got...
00:30:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
I even saw someone post actually on social media the other night that they'd applied to Millwall for copyright terms of their chant, no one likes us, we don't care.
00:30:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
So...
00:30:58
Zak
Greg, we've got to stop spreading misinformation like this.
00:30:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm
00:31:02
Zak
Like your Barcelona star, mate.
00:31:03
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sorry.
00:31:04
Zak
Some of it might be believable.
00:31:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh dear. Look, that's it. Well, look, that's just about all we've got time for today. Thank you very much for joining us. We will be back on Monday as we look back on probably whatever we managed to get out of the preseason friendly and I'm sure that there will be lots and lots to talk about after a weekend away.
00:31:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Zach, as ever, thank you very much for joining me.
00:31:28
Zak
Thank you, mate.
00:31:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Let us know on the socials. Do you like the new kit, the away kit? What's your favourite, home or away? where Where are your loyalties lying?
00:31:36
Zak
Close for each day, mate.
00:31:36
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Let us know. We are on. we We're on TikTok, YouTube, Facebook, X, Instagram, Blue Sky, all of the socials. Hit us up. Let us know.
00:31:48
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We look forward to hearing from you. We hope you have a wonderful weekend, and we will see you Monday.