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Stolen Luxury Cars, the Stupidest Car on Sale, and What Car Are We Most Looking Forward to? #2
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Anwar/Alex and Mohammad have successfully made it to Episode 2, thanks for all of those that tuned (way more than five people). This week, they get into:
- Stolen luxury cars
- The worst car on sale (Ineos Grenadier)
- The upcoming cars we're most excited about
If you've got feedback, we'd love to hear it. We didn't have these ready for the episode, but you can reach us at:
Gulf.specgcc@gmail.com
https://www.instagram.com/gulf_spec_podcast/
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Transcript
Podcast Launch and Introductions
00:00:00
Mohammad Khan
Oh, it started. um
00:00:01
Anwar
Okay, it started fine.
00:00:03
Mohammad Khan
Welcome to episode two of the Gulf Spec Podcast. um In the time since we last recorded, we've figured out the internet and our podcast is now live wherever you get your podcasts, including, um ah well, no, not including.
00:00:20
Mohammad Khan
Actually, we haven't figured out YouTube yet because, you know, it'd be nice to put ads in there.
00:00:22
Anwar
We'll do that now. Yeah, yeah.
00:00:23
Mohammad Khan
Yeah, because we worked in advertising, so we're going to put ads in there. That's that's our plan. um But ah yeah, so I am Mo and this is.
00:00:35
Anwar
Anwar, nice to meet you. Hopefully, the again, the five people that listen to this probably know us personally, but it's always nice to pretend like I'm a celebrity and I'm introducing myself. But it is ah nice to see you again, Mo.
00:00:46
Anwar
ah yeah um I might be mildly hanging over, so I'm going let Mo drive this one, if that's okay.
00:00:53
Mohammad Khan
yeah I mean, drive,
Stolen Luxury Cars in Dubai
00:00:54
Mohammad Khan
no pun intended.
00:00:55
Anwar
Yeah, that's
00:00:55
Mohammad Khan
i've This podcast, the link to like our Spotify and Apple podcast and stuff to exactly five people. So if we get five listens, we know what happened. i am ah All right, let's kick off with something. You shared a link in our in the group chat a few days ago about a stolen one-of-one Lamborghini.
00:01:18
Mohammad Khan
um I don't know what the name, what type of Lamborghini was.
00:01:21
Anwar
Revolta.
00:01:21
Mohammad Khan
Okay, beautiful.
00:01:22
Anwar
It was a, yeah, I think it's one of one just because of how was specced.
00:01:26
Mohammad Khan
Okay. So yeah, it was purple. And somehow, where was it stolen?
00:01:28
Anwar
Yep.
00:01:31
Mohammad Khan
Canada? Japan?
00:01:32
Anwar
I think it was New York. ah We're very prepared, but it doesn't matter.
00:01:33
Mohammad Khan
New York.
00:01:34
Anwar
Somewhere in North America, I believe it was New York. and And yeah, it's a clearly identifiable spec. So if that thing turned up again, there aren't many people, especially with such a new car, it had to be that one.
00:01:41
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:01:47
Mohammad Khan
And it's, yeah, it's it's basically ended up in, ah up for sale in the UAE is what's happened. And this is part of a large, i go ahead.
00:01:55
Anwar
you
00:01:58
Mohammad Khan
You're, you're, don't.
00:01:58
Anwar
No, no, no, just just that context as well. um Just for some more context, if you don't know, and again, you're the one of the five people who listened to this, you do know but Sheikh Zayed Road, the main drag in Dubai, the Because I've got people maybe from a German side here that might not know what it is.
00:02:13
Anwar
It's the main road through Dubai. And on this road, um it's become infamous, I'd say that might be the right word, for the supercar dealerships along that main road. And there are some crazy metal there.
00:02:27
Anwar
The stuff that you you would see like in Monaco parked in front of a hotel, there's five Koenigseggs, a Pagani, more Chiron's you can ever imagine, right?
00:02:27
Mohammad Khan
ah
00:02:35
Mohammad Khan
the The distributor for Koenigsegg for the region has their showroom there. you know like Maserati and Ferrari have is it the world's largest their world's largest dealership, if I remember correctly.
00:02:45
Anwar
I think Bentley as well.
00:02:46
Mohammad Khan
Lama Geese, Bentley, Ferrari, all these guys, they have their largest dealerships in the world here.
00:02:47
Anwar
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:02:53
Mohammad Khan
And...
00:02:53
Anwar
but But second to that, you've got like, I think maybe more legit, let's say more legitimate ones like Alain Motors, which is very famous.
00:02:53
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:02:56
Mohammad Khan
yeah
00:03:00
Anwar
And yeah, cool.
00:03:00
Mohammad Khan
Alain's the coding exec distributor, if I'm correct, but yeah, they're legit. Yeah.
00:03:04
Anwar
Yeah. But then beyond those, there are quite a few less legit looking places that have very interesting business practices, let's say.
00:03:08
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:03:12
Anwar
And in one of these places, this car turned up.
00:03:12
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:03:15
Anwar
Sorry, just that's what I wanted to add. Yeah.
00:03:16
Mohammad Khan
yeah um
00:03:17
Anwar
Hmm.
00:03:18
Mohammad Khan
Side note, when i first time i ever visited Dubai, I grew up in a country that did not have Alfa Romeos. And we know and I grew up reading the British motoring press, which like loves like waxing lyrical about how, you know, about Alfa Romeos.
00:03:34
Mohammad Khan
So it was the first time I'd seen an Alfa Romeo dealership. And I had my dad asked the cab to pull over so we could go that Shake's Eye Road Alfa dealership.
00:03:43
Anwar
Yep.
00:03:43
Mohammad Khan
walked in and looked at it.
00:03:44
Anwar
I've been many more times.
00:03:45
Mohammad Khan
I looked at some 156 and 147s and then was very happy and left back to my country. um But
00:03:53
Anwar
So stolen Lambos. Yep.
00:03:54
Mohammad Khan
Yeah, so that Lambo. sort of But this isn't the first time, right? You we you found this thread on Reddit. I remember, and they reference it in the same thread. There was this this other thread from several months back, which I remember bringing up, was about a stolen Denali or a GMC of some sort from Canada, where, you know, when the guy, the person that bought it in the UAE, I can't remember, that might have come to Sharjah or wherever it was. You know, I'm not going to get into who the dealerships are and stuff like that.
00:04:22
Mohammad Khan
But, yeah. whatever it was, it was a stolen vehicle from ah ah from Canada that ended up in the UAE. And there was, and what the owner found out was there was no way to get it back.
00:04:37
Mohammad Khan
And think that has to do with the fact that there aren't the the international agreements between some of these countries don't exist to enforce this kind of thing. So, I mean, if I recall correctly, and like to add some color to this is that, well, I mean, let's get into it, right? why Why is it that these cars end up here and people are willing to actually buy them? Do you, I mean, like I have some thoughts on this, but.
00:05:05
Anwar
um We're going to try and avoid some Dubai slander, I guess. um But it's not even the first time i'm just reading that now. Iggy Azalea, who is a very colourful, let's say, pop star, um she also had her Rolls Royce so traffic through Dubai.
00:05:19
Anwar
um So it's happened to celebrities too. um yeah i think that's, I wanted to not just kind of regurgitate some news, but I wanted to think about um a larger point
00:05:32
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:05:33
Anwar
Yeah, and I guess that's what you're also like asking for. um I think it's just Dubai has kind of gained, ah rightly or wrongly, a bit of a reputation of a place where grey market deals can be done. And I think this is just symptomatic of that. And the reason I say that now is that it is one of the world's capitals for cryptocurrencies.
00:05:54
Anwar
And that is unarguably, and again, and a colorful space full of colorful people. And I think this is just another, you know, side effect of it being that kind of business place because they are they all seem to go there.
00:06:10
Anwar
And the second point is that they don't end up in Dubai. Quite often they go from Dubai to other places. And I think that's something you mentioned, Mo, right?
00:06:16
Mohammad Khan
Yeah. Like the, like, for example, when you say, I remember Jalopnik years ago was, did that piece like asking how like Teoda Tundras were going from the U S to like warlords in Afghanistan at the time.
00:06:17
Anwar
Yeah.
00:06:29
Anwar
with their business names on the side for the, like the plumbing company.
00:06:29
Mohammad Khan
And
00:06:33
Anwar
And it's done with the talent.
00:06:33
Mohammad Khan
yeah. Yeah. that That was pretty straightforward. It's like they those cars were getting bought. um Some of them were flood-damaged cars from the U.S. or whatever. They were getting reconditioned or whatever, sold um or ah brought to the UAE.
00:06:47
Mohammad Khan
They get reconditioned in some of the workshops, and then they end up in all sorts of countries in Africa. And that's that's fine, right? Like, that's that's its own thing. There's no...
00:06:56
Anwar
And,
00:06:57
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:06:57
Anwar
The UAE is a trading post. It's a middleman.
00:06:59
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:07:00
Anwar
Kind of always has been throughout history.
00:07:00
Mohammad Khan
It's... ah business
00:07:02
Anwar
So this is another, know,
00:07:03
Mohammad Khan
So yeah, these these things these things come through here.
00:07:03
Anwar
yeah
00:07:06
Mohammad Khan
What's interesting for me and about the Lamborghini and about the Denali specifically, i mean, I can't speak to the Lamborghini because it's not one-of-one spec, right? Like one-of-one in a way that a Mansory is, is that like nobody else wants the spec probably.
00:07:19
Mohammad Khan
um But sorry, dude, I know you've lost your car, whoever it was. I really apologize, but yeah. um But the... um but ah I think what it is is like like, I mean, I'll speak on the Denali, right?
00:07:32
Mohammad Khan
Or i i don't even know if it's a Denali, the SUV, the GM, g General Motors SUV that was stolen in Canada is it was, if I remember correctly, the dealer that was selling it was selling it for a significant discount.
00:07:37
Anwar
It's
00:07:46
Mohammad Khan
And I think this goes back to something we said in the previous episode, we were talking about image conscious, my air purifiers going nuts.
00:07:53
Anwar
ah it's okay.
00:07:56
Mohammad Khan
Okay. We were talking about the image conscious nature of the UAE market, right? Now, if you can have like a Denali or an Escalade or a Lamborghini for a significant discount and it's not flood damaged, it's not crashed, there's nothing wrong with it.
00:08:13
Mohammad Khan
You're going to take that, right?
00:08:14
Anwar
Mm-hmm.
00:08:15
Mohammad Khan
And the problem the thing the thing with those cars is because there' are no there's no agreement around you know having them sent back or like, um I guess, is it an extradition agreement or only apply to people? I don't know. i'm not I'm not good with legalese.
00:08:29
Mohammad Khan
But I think the thing is, people are like, i can comfortably own this car in the UAE as long as it never leaves the UAE's borders and own it at a significant discount. And they're they're okay with that. And I think that's partially driven by this, like, keeping up with the Joneses kind of thing in the UAE.
00:08:45
Mohammad Khan
But also the fact that, like, and once again, we touched on this, this links back to the the popularity of Chinese cars again. is the is the fact that is some of the some of the markups and somehow expensive some of these cars are getting, especially the luxury cars in the UAE. Well, not just the luxury cars. I mean, I think we've seen it on the lower end as well. Some of these cars are just getting really, really expensive here. People are getting priced out.
00:09:07
Mohammad Khan
So I think people are looking at however they can. This is a good deal that they didn't look any further. Some of these people, most people that are buying these cars have probably never looked at the Carfax because we don't have a system like that here.
00:09:20
Mohammad Khan
Or do we?
00:09:21
Anwar
ah No, I don't think there is a good enough one. And I think that might be just kind of on purpose so that they can continue continue to do that kind of ah dodgy business. um
00:09:31
Mohammad Khan
I don't think it's, I mean, i i would stay away stay away from saying it's on purpose. I think it's just maybe it what didn't need to be regulated up until a certain point. I think this is like, I mean, we've heard about these stories in the past. Like when I was new in Dubai, i remember a university, there was a kid whose mom had a Mercedes SL and they, I think the wing mirror got knocked off or something like that. And they went in to um get a replacement from the dealership.
00:09:57
Mohammad Khan
And when they gave the parts code, the the mirror came back in a different color. And that was like a red flag that, you know, and they had no idea that this SL was, you know, perhaps stolen and brought over or whatever.
00:10:10
Mohammad Khan
Yeah. And that was back in 2007, right?
00:10:10
Anwar
Yeah.
00:10:12
Mohammad Khan
So 2007,
The Ineos Grenadier Discussion
00:10:13
Mohammad Khan
2008, probably. So and that's the thing. Like, I feel like i don't think it was at the scale, you know, and it's not just about stolen cars. It's about like flood damaged cars.
00:10:24
Mohammad Khan
even locally flood damaged cars because of the weather change, climate change issues here and now. And like some of the, I think they're just, there is going to be at some point, some regulation or some tighter regulations around this, I think.
00:10:36
Mohammad Khan
But yeah, just interesting.
00:10:37
Anwar
um Just about, so yeah, but they something else I want to mention just about stolen cars. And this is something I didn't want to mention before because I wanted to get you ah fresh thoughts. But um Chris Harris is obviously somebody that in the car community everyone knows.
00:10:49
Anwar
Every single time I open up his Instagram page, either umm I'm driving the new M5 or some guy's car got stolen. It feels like it's a new content theme on his page. There is constantly a number of cars being stolen in the UK. And one of the places they do end up is chopped up and sent to Dubai.
00:11:08
Anwar
And um i think most people who know me know I own a special car. um And I'm genuinely kind of worried now that that car might end up ah somehow stolen and then sent to Dubai because it's happened here in Dusseldorf.
00:11:22
Anwar
um It happened in with a Lamborghini, um stolen from a car park and disappeared. And that this is the place that they go to. They go to Dubai. And I'm genuinely actually...
00:11:33
Anwar
thinking how do I prevent that from happening because it's a 90s car so you can imagine like I don't even know if it's got a car alarm
00:11:39
Mohammad Khan
and You need the, what do you call it? I look, that's a bad hand symbol. But the,
00:11:45
Anwar
this it's a gif
00:11:46
Mohammad Khan
but ah no, you know those things, the steering locks, the way what do they call them?
00:11:52
Anwar
I have it for the Toyota.
00:11:52
Mohammad Khan
like the Huh?
00:11:54
Anwar
Yep, yeah.
00:11:54
Mohammad Khan
huh
00:11:55
Anwar
But the problem with that as well is that like the it's very easy to... I'm i'm probably goingnna put a Momo back on, the steering wheel back on, so it's not that hard to take it off and put it on. It's a highly nickable car.
00:12:07
Anwar
Maybe i should be admitting this in public, but yeah, this it's it's not going to be that difficult.
00:12:11
Mohammad Khan
So Alex lives in East Africa and he drives a Mercedes 300D. So there's no reason for anybody to go steal it or unmarked, sorry.
00:12:20
Anwar
Sure. that's
00:12:23
Mohammad Khan
and
00:12:23
Anwar
um
00:12:24
Mohammad Khan
Identity crisis.
00:12:24
Anwar
Yeah, no, but but but but but but i'm I'm wondering if it's an epidemic now or if if it's something we're just noticing because I keep taking screenshots of all these different cars getting stolen and they are, Chris Harris got his own M5 stolen and it just turned up.
00:12:37
Mohammad Khan
Yeah, i remember that. That's what he's doing.
00:12:38
Anwar
Yeah, yeah.
00:12:38
Mohammad Khan
yeah he he um If you listen to one of his recent podcasts, he wanted to create a platform where people in the UK could actually list their stolen cars. So like it was meant to be like a public service. And I'm just like, damn, if it's that bad, you know, like.
00:12:53
Anwar
my my my One of my relatives in London, I don't want to call them out, but they had their castle on from their driveway from their driveway with the gate. um
00:13:01
Mohammad Khan
hmm.
00:13:02
Anwar
it's a it's it's It's so common that people like within my circle, um it's not just like friends of friends with on Instagram, it's it's becoming that common.
00:13:12
Anwar
And And like we said, now a lot of them are ending up in Dubai and I guess they didn't mean to be golf spec cars, but they seem to be golf bound cars. of
00:13:23
Mohammad Khan
Yeah. And some of it might be driven by demand here because of Gulf spec being so expensive.
00:13:28
Anwar
That's, yep.
00:13:30
Mohammad Khan
Some of it is, you know, I think there's I'm i'm sure they'll they'll figure it out.
00:13:31
Anwar
Hmm.
00:13:35
Mohammad Khan
But, yeah, it is. It's it's just interesting to see that happening and happening.
00:13:40
Anwar
Path of least resistance. It's the path of least resistance.
00:13:42
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:13:42
Anwar
And it seems to be that the UAE is a place where they the the the resistance is low enough for them to kind of get absorbed that way. And like you said, the market allows it to kind of happen.
00:13:53
Anwar
And it's something we've already known about. If you go into Sharjah, there are a lot of cut and shut cars. There are a lot of...
00:13:59
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:13:59
Anwar
Oh, and one final thing, something we didn't talk about now, but... just remembered ah JDM cars getting stolen in Japan was a big epi epidemic and they were ending up in the UAE. um Really cool, um you know, Japanese legends cars, real, you know, JDM cars um getting stolen.
00:14:16
Anwar
And it was something I was, when I was actually in Japan recently, there was something that I ah heard a lot, people talking about specific Porsches and, you yeah, Supras and NSXs and stuff ending up in the UAE from Japan. So it's not just America. It's something that's happening from there too.
00:14:36
Anwar
And they end up in Sharjah, they get cut in half and then they're parted out.
00:14:36
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:14:39
Anwar
Sorry.
00:14:40
Mohammad Khan
No, that's it. I've got nothing to add to that. It's just, it's,
00:14:43
Anwar
Same. Let's continue to monitor the situation. And do you want to move on to our next topic, Mark?
00:14:47
Mohammad Khan
yeah. We'll monitor the situation and we will go, out what's what's the place?
00:14:50
Anwar
Yeah.
00:14:50
Mohammad Khan
ah Abu Shigar, car market in Sharjah. We will report live from there or not at all.
00:14:56
Mohammad Khan
I'll be honest with you.
00:14:56
Anwar
No, then then you'll get disappeared.
00:14:58
Anwar
That's the last time we see Mo.
00:15:00
Mohammad Khan
Like, I hardly go into Dubai at this point. Um, But, um okay, so moving on, let's talk about something that has occupied our group. Well, not our group chat. This is our individual chat because our group wouldn't even understand this argument.
00:15:16
Mohammad Khan
um Alex, I think you should start by asking me what I think is the stupidest car on sale today.
00:15:24
Anwar
Mo, what's the stupidest car on sale today?
00:15:26
Mohammad Khan
I'm glad you asked, Anwar slash Alex. This is the, it is the Ineos Grenadier. That is a stupid, stupid car. And I, okay, I will kick this off just because I'm the one that started this, right?
00:15:39
Anwar
What is it?
00:15:40
Mohammad Khan
But
00:15:40
Anwar
What's an Ineos Grenadier? Because i but I've never heard of this car company, Ineos. So let's start there. Give us an intro about what this car actually
00:15:45
Mohammad Khan
it's actually a chemical company, I believe.
00:15:49
Anwar
Yep.
00:15:49
Mohammad Khan
It's an industrial company, I believe.
00:15:49
Anwar
Yep.
00:15:51
Mohammad Khan
Anyway, look, I think I don't want to get into the history of what Ineos is. I think if you're listening to this podcast, there's a good chance you know what a Grenadier is, but...
00:15:57
Anwar
Ooh.
00:16:00
Anwar
i think I think just what um if I can then maybe one minute because I think it adds to the myth of the car. ah The UK's...
00:16:08
Mohammad Khan
There's no one. That's what we agreed on.
00:16:09
Anwar
Hmm? Yeah, yeah. The UK's wealthiest man wanted to buy a Defender, an institution um in the UK, and the company that owned... Hmm?
00:16:21
Mohammad Khan
tooling for the defender so he could keep building them.
00:16:22
Anwar
Yeah, well, no, he know he wanted to buy a Defender and ah he wanted to continue buying a Defender. Land Rover had different ideas. They wanted to shift over to it to being a completely different, much more modern car, not a ladder chassis. It was a monocoque. hope I'm saying that right because now in public.
00:16:36
Anwar
um And he then, as Mo just said, wanted to buy the tooling for that. Landover understood that's probably not a good idea because if you want to sell the new one, you don't want the old one not in your own hands. So they said no. So he did what basically every single car manufacturer, famous car manufacturer with an interesting history did, is he said, well, bollocks to you. I'm going to build my own car a la Lamborghini.
00:16:56
Anwar
And then he built what is, let's say, an homage as far as close as you can get without being copyright of what was the Defender.
00:16:57
Mohammad Khan
thought
00:17:05
Anwar
um Bits and pieces. It's a somehow French...
00:17:07
Mohammad Khan
Well, copyright's interesting, right? Because they did sue...
00:17:09
Anwar
yeah Yeah, ah you you can you can tell why. It's French, Austrian, British, if I'm not wrong. um So it's kind of a, yeah, German, yeah.
00:17:17
Mohammad Khan
German?
00:17:19
Anwar
Is it German?
00:17:20
Mohammad Khan
The transmission the engine BMW.
00:17:22
Anwar
Yeah, but it's
SUV Market and Branding Challenges
00:17:23
Anwar
built in Austria and there's French parts in it as well.
00:17:25
Mohammad Khan
Where did the engine come from?
00:17:26
Anwar
yeah But it's a British car with a flag on the side or trying to be.
00:17:27
Mohammad Khan
Anyway, hard. Yeah.
00:17:30
Anwar
um And yeah, they if I could add one last thing before you I hand back to you, Moe. I think everyone who wanted one bought one and now they're they're struggling to try and expand that market.
00:17:42
Anwar
I'd say they have an 86 problem where everyone who wanted one bought one and then after the first two or three years, nobody is buying that car anymore because they don't have a market for it. And why is that mode? Tell us about the car.
00:17:54
Mohammad Khan
Okay, so it it feels like they're getting more popular here. And I will say, you know, when I heard about the project, when I've i've seen the vehicles on the road, I see them quite often now.
00:17:57
Anwar
Okay.
00:18:02
Mohammad Khan
And um it's, I don't, it's a car I want to like. It's a vehicle I want to like, I'll be real honest. I like it when somebody else, you know, does something like this. i Oh, well, you won't.
00:18:14
Mohammad Khan
You won't build it, so I'll build it myself. you know and But I think there's there's a few there's a few problems with the Grandier. Like you said, it's not even like ah it's never been a strong seller. I don't think they've ever had the numbers that they wanted. that's been i started seeing that reporting come out in the first year.
00:18:28
Mohammad Khan
um Most of the reviews have objectively painted it as not a good car. People have liked it based on charm or the fact that it's a bit of a throwback, but it's not good.
00:18:38
Anwar
Character.
00:18:39
Mohammad Khan
yeah Yeah, like I remember Harry Metcalfe, who has a farm and uses his SUVs for farming stuff. um ah reviewed it on his YouTube channel and was talking about the drawbacks of it as a commercial vehicle, like as a vehicle for this intended purpose, which is what you think it would be for, right?
00:18:56
Anwar
and
00:18:57
Mohammad Khan
Like, or like be competent at. um And then I just read a review of the Quartermaster, um which is the pickup truck variant. And apparently it has like no payload whatsoever.
00:19:08
Mohammad Khan
um It can't tow anything. It's just, it's it's literally posing piece. It's a lifestyle vehicle. You know, it's like a Chevy Avalanche. ah The Avalanche is very useful.
00:19:15
Anwar
It's a cosplay. It's a cosplay car.
00:19:18
Mohammad Khan
yeah call Yeah, I mean, that's what we used to call them. I remember they used to call them lifestyle vehicles, right? Like the the Chevy Avalanche, the Ford Explorer Sport Track, you know, like all these pickup trucks that were like looked like pickup trucks, but didn't actually do anything serious.
00:19:32
Mohammad Khan
But the Avalanche was on the GMT 900. Is that what it's called? That chassis platform? That was still kind of useful, you know, but anyway, I digress from that. And I think what really, really like got me laughing was they put out a new version, which is something like the AMG 4x4 squared, the G-Wagon.
00:19:49
Mohammad Khan
um So it's got portal axles and things, but the conversion is done by an external company. And it's pretty expensive. it looks cool as hell, but it's expensive. And i think the quote from an Ineos representative that Autocar had put in their article was that this is the type of thing that our dealers are asking for. They want to sell the vehicle for more.
00:20:09
Anwar
Yeah,
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00:20:10
Anwar
and and that's, I think, where we we had a disagreement, because I completely agree with it.
00:20:10
Mohammad Khan
Which I think is...
00:20:14
Anwar
And then you didn't, right?
00:20:15
Mohammad Khan
But then we agreed in the end, I think, but it's, it's a 300 plus thousand dirham vehicle. Um, it's not very, and yeah
00:20:22
Anwar
i'm Is it really? That's cheap compared to what defenders are, they're like 400.
00:20:27
Mohammad Khan
no, no defenders come in. i think you get a defender for like 300 something thousand, right?
00:20:31
Anwar
You live there. I remember them when when I was living there, they were going for a lot of money.
00:20:36
Mohammad Khan
yeah so but but land wait But when you left, that's when Land Rover was stuck in their supply chain issue, right? So you had like the wait lists and like, people I think I heard people like um waiting for up to five years to, you know, and
00:20:42
Anwar
Yep.
00:20:48
Anwar
Yeah, and parts, you couldn't get parts because any door that was dinged was going on a car that was going down the line.
00:20:48
Mohammad Khan
ah
00:20:53
Anwar
They didn't have enough spare doors and spare parts to kind of fix people's cars.
00:20:56
Mohammad Khan
um I remember, i remember a friend that worked at a friend of ours, actually, that worked at an exotic car dealership. He's big into like, These specialty cars, if you want anything, he'll source it for you.
00:21:07
Mohammad Khan
Plug for him right there. Ask us who he is. We'll tell you. um But... um We should get him on. But he, ah I remember ah few people walking in while me and him were chilling at the dealership one day um and asking for defenders. And he would source a defender or two.
00:21:24
Mohammad Khan
And yeah, those were 400, 500,000 dirbs plus for used defenders just because he had them available or somebody willing to sell.
00:21:24
Anwar
Mm.
00:21:30
Anwar
Mm.
00:21:31
Mohammad Khan
But that was like peak supply chain. And that's also kind of what drove interest in the Jettour, I think as well.
00:21:34
Anwar
Mm.
00:21:36
Mohammad Khan
A lot of people got pissed off or or put their name on the wait list and then went and got a Jettour to drive around in the meantime. But I think the point is that this is a 300 something thousand-aim vehicle.
00:21:47
Mohammad Khan
It really is a competitor, should be. And and I remember Ineos, I think and it's when they tried shopping them to their industrial clients, you know, and most of those people are like, no, we're good with Land Cruisers or Prados or whatever, because they're better and they're cheaper and the parts are available.
00:21:55
Anwar
ah
00:22:04
Mohammad Khan
You know, like there's a lot of things that count for those cars. um
00:22:07
Anwar
um That reminds me of something just i wanted to interject. Do remember the the downfall of BlackBerry? um It feels very similar in that in this, that um the BlackBerry was an objectively better phone, but people who wanted a work phone asked for iPhones because it was cooler thing.
00:22:23
Anwar
And ah the business case wasn't there, but now the BlackBerry is dead and people have iPhones. I have a work iPhone now because people wanted an iPhone. So I wonder, hmm?
00:22:32
Mohammad Khan
I'm going to be real honest with you. I'm not seeing the link, but keep going.
00:22:36
Anwar
Oh, i'm no i'm I'm saying like, if if you if if you said that it's a commercial vehicle for people who would want like a work vehicle, um if they would then say, maybe don't get me a Land Cruiser, I would love to have this Ineos instead, um that might be a play.
00:22:52
Mohammad Khan
Don't get me a Land Cruiser. I'll be real. like I live in the UAE. Find me one person that says, don't get me a Land Cruiser. It's just like...
00:23:00
Anwar
Yeah, maybe that's the problem as well.
00:23:01
Mohammad Khan
Oh, no.
00:23:01
Anwar
Like,
00:23:05
Anwar
and Is there any more golf spec car than a Land Cruiser? Maybe the Patrol?
00:23:10
Mohammad Khan
No, I think if we look at the wider Gulf, I would say the Land Cruiser. I think the patrol is more specific to the UAE. Like, you know, in Saudi, where I grew up, like it was... um patrols were, I mean, they were there, but they're far less, ah you know, I don't command the same.
00:23:23
Anwar
Yeah. Because it in Japan, they have a UAE flag up above the the factory where they build patrols, the Y61s.
00:23:25
Mohammad Khan
The
00:23:31
Anwar
ah they they They literally they they love...
00:23:34
Mohammad Khan
60s was the previous, right?
00:23:35
Anwar
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:35
Mohammad Khan
Or the previous gen, which one is it?
00:23:38
Anwar
I think it...
00:23:38
Mohammad Khan
What are we at 60s now, right? Well, fuck it. um But... um
00:23:44
Anwar
Anyway, back to Ineos.
00:23:46
Mohammad Khan
Yeah, I think the thing is it's not a good car. Nobody wants it. I don't know where they get off thinking like, okay, let's charge more for it or whatever. um And I think it's reason for existence. Like we saw actually a really, they have a really nice ad campaign now. Go check out Ineos' page.
00:24:02
Mohammad Khan
It mimics old Land Rover campaigns, just like the vehicle. um But it says we still make them like they used to, right? And I remember that line. And the truth is, it's like,
00:24:16
Mohammad Khan
I don't know. I've never, never understood the point. The defender, the OG Defender, by the time they stopped making it, it was objectively a bad car. It wasn't good for like military applications.
00:24:26
Anwar
Yes.
00:24:29
Mohammad Khan
It wasn't good for commercial applications. Everyone that really had one was buying one because they wanted to project a certain image. All of those people, every single person that was going to buy a Defender is better served by the new Defender, which is actually really good off-road.
00:24:35
Anwar
yes
00:24:43
Mohammad Khan
it's ah It's a really good car in terms of image. It's actually pretty well built. Like, I just i don't understand. It is modern and captures everything that was great about the Defender. It's just that people weren't ready to change because they left that car in production so long, right?
00:24:59
Mohammad Khan
And I feel like anyone that actually wanted a Grenadier or anything like it has better options. You can go get a twisted Defender, way cooler. What?
00:25:08
Anwar
I think he froze there, sorry. Yeah, twisted defender.
00:25:09
Mohammad Khan
ah You get a twisted Defender, which way cooler in my opinion. You can mod it yourself because there's such a huge aftermarket. Like, i mean, please, by all means, chuck in an LSV8 and some fat tires, right?
00:25:21
Anwar
Still not a good car, though.
00:25:21
Mohammad Khan
Or...
00:25:22
Anwar
That's the problem. You've just made a bad car faster. So there's a lot more structural problems with the platform.
00:25:27
Mohammad Khan
ah yeah Oh, yeah. That's the thing. And, well, the Grenadier is not a good car either. That's what we're finding out. It's a bit of a throwback. It's a little bit better than an old Defender, maybe.
00:25:38
Mohammad Khan
um And then you've got Land Rover themselves, if you've got enough cash, will make you a new old Defender. I think it's over $100,000, but, you know, if you've got it go for it.
00:25:48
Anwar
and And now they get it. Yeah, I think. And and that wasn't because of Ineos. That was just because of the twisted, um um what's it called? um Retro modding thing. And they they also bought, Land Rover bought, um what's the racing one called again?
00:26:05
Mohammad Khan
Oh, bowler.
00:26:05
Anwar
The Bola. Yeah, they bought Bola, right? And now they're going to Dakar, I think, ah with Bola and that infrastructure, which is just awesome.
00:26:12
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:26:13
Anwar
I think that's great myth-building to do Dakar in that car.
00:26:14
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:26:17
Anwar
The Okta... It actually reminds me of another history lesson, I guess. you remember when then the 928 was meant to replace the 911 and it was an objectively better car and people revolted and they didn't want the objectively better car?
00:26:31
Anwar
This feels...
00:26:31
Mohammad Khan
But people been revealed here. That is what i'm going to highlight. I think most people actually went and got a new...
00:26:34
Anwar
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:37
Mohammad Khan
The new Defender is amazing. I think it is a case study in disruption in a way, right? Like they managed to open that vehicle up to a whole new audience while actually maintaining some of the original audience as well. I mean, yeah, they lost some really, really, really old hardcore diehards that drank at a pub called Grenadier.
00:26:55
Mohammad Khan
But um the...
00:26:56
Anwar
but they are dying that's a funny way of putting it because the the problem with this as well is that like just like the British Empire it turns out there is a sunset and those people yeah
00:26:57
Mohammad Khan
Diehardness. i
00:27:04
Mohammad Khan
and just i just I just think it's too expensive. It's not good enough in any particular way. And it's not I'm not sure what purpose it serves.
00:27:14
Mohammad Khan
So I think it's the stupidest car on sale.
00:27:16
Anwar
But that's the right move then, because it's a Veblen good. um Veblen, Veblen, can't remember what it's called. the The principle is that like sometimes when you increase the price, normally you expect a lower demand.
00:27:27
Anwar
But with some specific goods, um when you increase the price, you actually increase the demand simply because it is more expensive. um the One good business case study for that is obviously Grey Goose Vodka, who um their their case, their business case when they launched the 80s was they found out how much a bottle of vodka cost on average. And they said, we're going to be 30% more expensive and and and a nice shaped bottle and all these different things. But their point was that they would want to increase the demand for this product by increasing the price.
00:27:56
Anwar
Because I think, yeah, it's an...
00:27:56
Mohammad Khan
a nice bottle? Legrego's the most normal-looking bottle I've ever seen.
00:28:01
Anwar
now
00:28:01
Mohammad Khan
yeah.
00:28:01
Anwar
Now, yeah, but disruption.
00:28:02
Mohammad Khan
Can it?
00:28:04
Anwar
Yeah, but it was disruptive.
00:28:05
Mohammad Khan
but yeah
00:28:06
Anwar
um I think moving it into a space where it's no longer just the car that you have for your family, but it is a car that can do family stuff, but is slightly more interesting, different portal axles.
00:28:19
Mohammad Khan
can it
00:28:23
Anwar
um I think it's the right move.
00:28:25
Mohammad Khan
horror actually is a limited production, you know, think they're
00:28:29
Anwar
I think it's testing the waters. I think it's testing the waters. And I think the other thing they've also launched now is a program.
00:28:33
Mohammad Khan
running out of ideas.
00:28:35
Anwar
hu Yeah, sure.
00:28:35
Mohammad Khan
I think they're running out
00:28:37
Anwar
ah But they they've also, their personalization program, they're trying to basically move this car into a higher price point segment. um and i yeah And I think it's going to work for them. I think getting out of it just, let's see.
00:28:47
Mohammad Khan
ideas. don't think so. Yeah. I don't think
00:28:49
Anwar
I think we can report back if we do more of these podcasts maybe to see how it goes. But I think with a um more personalization, which is something clearly the market's asked for, every single brand has now moved into having its own SVO.
00:28:54
Mohammad Khan
so.
00:29:01
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:29:02
Anwar
And doing these kind of limited edition one-offs like Lamborghini did with the Aventador, they did like eight different versions of that silly car um in all the different things. I think that might be an interesting way to fix it because just like Jaguar, like doing what you are doing isn't working. You have to change.
00:29:19
Anwar
And the maybe the smartest move is to to do the opposite of what you think, to sell more, make it more expensive.
00:29:19
Mohammad Khan
yeah
00:29:25
Anwar
So maybe we report back when we found findings, but I'm going to say, let's see.
00:29:29
Mohammad Khan
down market like yeah i mean i agree with you that that is a tactic it has worked i don't see it working for them particularly not at least now and i think there's a critical component missing which we'll talk about in a second right um but i think i think the play was to move down market right like you're seeing the way like other land rover clone other
00:29:31
Anwar
Let's see.
00:29:48
Anwar
You can't go back up. Once you go down market, once you do an Alfa Romeo, and then you move from a certain price point to a lower price point, it's very hard to move move back up.
00:29:55
Mohammad Khan
Alfa Romeo is a very different place because Alfa Romeo is a storied motorsport Formula One brand that birthed Ferrari. You know, there's so much.
00:30:06
Mohammad Khan
Enneos has nothing. They're a chemical company, Alex,
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00:30:09
Mohammad Khan
on the water.
00:30:10
Anwar
yeah
00:30:11
Mohammad Khan
So, like, the like i i don't get that. that's like That's like Lexus popping up and ah charging Rolls-Royce money for the first LS. Remember, they significantly undercut the S-Class when they first the LS 400 came out in 1989.
00:30:28
Anwar
But the LFA also didn't sell well, right?
00:30:28
Mohammad Khan
I think the LFA was a demonstration. It wasn't a, it wasn't a you know, document to sell that.
00:30:34
Anwar
I have the book. it's f If you haven't bought the book, please, please, please buy the LFA book. It is incredible. Incredible.
00:30:39
Mohammad Khan
Send me a link. Not now, but send me a link, please.
00:30:41
Anwar
yep
00:30:41
Mohammad Khan
I will. I will. I love that car. It's one of my favorites, but so nerdy. um
00:30:47
Anwar
But it but but that that's part of the myth, right?
00:30:47
Mohammad Khan
But I think.
00:30:49
Anwar
And I think that's what you wanted to move into.
00:30:49
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:30:51
Anwar
um the The reason it's not...
00:30:52
Mohammad Khan
but seem to no I think Grenadier, I think, okay, yes, we can talk about the myth building in a second. But I think the issue with the Grenadier, I think the smart money with the Grenadier would have been and to move it down market and not significantly so.
00:31:07
Mohammad Khan
Like, I think it could have, like, what's what's a base Prado cost right now? About 200,000 dirhams. Yeah. go
00:31:13
Anwar
Really? That's not bad. That's not bad. That's not bad.
00:31:18
Mohammad Khan
The V6 used to cost 150. Now we're talking about the the hybrid four cylinder or whatever costing 200.
00:31:21
Anwar
Yeah.
00:31:24
Anwar
Uh-huh.
00:31:25
Mohammad Khan
it's ah Car prices are an interesting place as we talked about last week or last episode.
00:31:28
Anwar
Uh-huh.
00:31:29
Mohammad Khan
and don't know if I want to call it last week because we don't know when this is going to come out. um But... but the um But I think the thing with the Grenadiers, I think it could have comfortably competed with the Prado and been slightly upmarket to a lot of the Chinese clones.
00:31:44
Mohammad Khan
you know where like Well, I mean, actually, the Rox 01 is...
00:31:44
Anwar
Mm-hmm.
00:31:49
Mohammad Khan
Well, that's locally assembled. That's an interesting story. I want to research that and talk about it. But um the Rox 01, which is designed by Pininfarina, looks like... a Defender, and it costs like 250,000 arms or something, and it seems to be selling.
00:32:04
Mohammad Khan
But, um yeah, the Jetour costs 140, 150, and forty a hundred fifty then you've got its actual, like, competitors, like, I think, you know, the Patrol, cost a brand-new Patrol base model costs 240.
00:32:15
Mohammad Khan
I don't see the Ineos moving. Yeah, yeah, I don't see the Ineos. Even a base, like, Land Cruiser starts at, what, I think 250, 260? Like, can check... like i can check
00:32:23
Anwar
But all of those different things have myths, and it's the myth that really shifts the metal.
00:32:29
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:32:29
Anwar
um And I think the interesting thing with the Grenadier maybe is that the myth it has to have is something that people just maybe won't find appealing, especially in the Gulf. I think the hangover of – is the most British Empire car I can think of, the short of ah like a Rolls-Royce or a Bentley, if you know what i mean – um
00:32:48
Mohammad Khan
yeah
00:32:49
Anwar
even if it doesn't have that myth, do you want to be driving around in a car that feels like that? Is that one is that what you want to portray role play as?
00:33:00
Anwar
um There aren't that many British expats. like That era of the Gulf is kind of over. If you remember the ah British dad who moved to the the Middle East to make money in defense or and so like you know chemical engineering or engineering,
00:33:13
Anwar
ah civil engineering And he he saw himself as a frontiers man. That was what that car was made for. And I think that...
00:33:20
Mohammad Khan
I know a
00:33:22
Mohammad Khan
but
00:33:22
Anwar
No, no, we're not going to...
00:33:24
Mohammad Khan
the
00:33:24
Anwar
um um But I think that that that's died. And I think they haven't created a new myth that's appealing to people in 2025. you what mean?
00:33:33
Mohammad Khan
Well, I think this is the thing, right? Like we talked about, okay, the Prado has a heritage. It has a legacy. It is a land cruiser at the end of the day. It costs about 200,000 dirham space.
00:33:44
Mohammad Khan
The patrol, and even let's put aside the UAE market for a second, right? This is, Ineos' problems are much bigger than the UAE. It might actually be selling decently in the UAE from, ah anecdotally, from what I can see on the road.
00:33:55
Anwar
And I see here in Germany, by the way, I see quite a few.
00:33:55
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:33:58
Anwar
I do actually see quite a few, I think.
00:33:59
Mohammad Khan
kind if they in Germany, they might have actually reached out to the commercial buyer, but that's interesting. But um I would not have guessed that. um The patrol starts at $239,900 according to their website, right?
00:34:10
Mohammad Khan
These are all website prices.
00:34:11
Anwar
ah
00:34:12
Mohammad Khan
The grenadier starts at $299,000. So i I was a little off. I don't think it's $350,000, but it's $299,000 for the base model out the door, it's probably at least $305,000, $310,000, right? but um But I think think what I'm getting at here is this thing is probably 50 to 100,000 arms too expensive in my mind. I think it needs to play at a different audience where I think it could have.
00:34:33
Mohammad Khan
I don't know if that would have cut into the profit margin significantly considering they are renting the factory space. there They're buying most a lot of these components as well. So I don't know what their margins look like. They're not actually building a lot of this in-house, nor do they have the capabilities and that would be expensive.
00:34:49
Mohammad Khan
expensive-er, I suppose. But um i think that's the issue. Now, what you're talking about with the myth building, I think on a global level, what would be really cool is to see some of the stuff, if they really are building them like Land Rover used to, which is a tagline, one of the taglines that they're running with,
00:35:08
Mohammad Khan
bring back the camel trophy, right? Like um do stuff like that. Where are the grenadiers with UN end things on the side, the big black UN, the stuff that gives these things stories, right?
00:35:19
Anwar
hey
00:35:19
Mohammad Khan
Like I know there's a quote out there of a UN n guy talking about how bad Land Rovers were and how much better Prados are. But um still the fact is there are there were discoveries out there, first gen, second gen discoveries with massive UN symbols on the side and you still see them around.
00:35:36
Mohammad Khan
um
00:35:36
Anwar
And they're cool.
00:35:37
Anwar
And that's a cool...
00:35:37
Mohammad Khan
Yeah, militaries used those things. They used the defenders. They used, you know, they used ah Generation One Range Rovers. They used Land Cruises, Prados, Patrols. There's that, you know, I love that YouTube video of the, what is it, the Toyota dealership in Gibraltar that does all the world's special services Land Cruisers, the Land Cruiser 70 or whatever it is.
00:35:57
Anwar
Yep. Yeah.
00:35:58
Mohammad Khan
um But yeah, there's there's stuff like that. That whole piece of the pie, I think like if they started doing that, maybe I could start seeing the case for starting starting to charge. And we're advertisers, we're marketers, you know, like this is the story, the myth building is a big deal to us. But I think that's how you sell this car at 300,000 dirhams. Or if you want to charge even more, that's how you do it.
00:36:18
Mohammad Khan
You got to do that. Do a polar expedition. Porsche did this with the Transbiria, right? The Transbiria, yeah.
00:36:23
Anwar
Trans-Siberia, Trans-Siberia, Trans-Siberia.
00:36:24
Mohammad Khan
tra is that Trans-Siberia.
00:36:26
Anwar
Yeah.
00:36:27
Mohammad Khan
sorry, Trans-Beria.
00:36:28
Anwar
and Transparent.
00:36:28
Mohammad Khan
It's a bit a Marvel movie.
00:36:29
Anwar
It sounds like a battery. yeah
00:36:32
Mohammad Khan
Yeah, we're going to Trans-Beria.
00:36:34
Anwar
Isn't that what the new Superman movie is based out of? That's where it is.
00:36:38
Mohammad Khan
you From Metropolis to Trans-Beria. But Trans-Siberia, Cayennes, you know, like, I think they understood this.
00:36:45
Mohammad Khan
um They understood that they needed to create the credibility for a type of vehicle that's never existed before.
00:36:45
Anwar
Yeah.
00:36:51
Anwar
You have to, yeah, you have to be allowed to sell it.
00:36:52
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:36:54
Anwar
You have to give was like a mission structure or whatever.
00:36:55
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:36:56
Anwar
Maybe it's the permission structure is the wrong way of looking at it, but you have to build a reason for people to want to have one.
00:36:57
Mohammad Khan
and
00:37:02
Mohammad Khan
And I think that the copycat print ads or social media posts that Ineos does harking back to Land Rover's like old ad campaigns, the famous ones is it's, it's clever, but it's not enough, right?
00:37:13
Mohammad Khan
It's not selling that story.
00:37:13
Anwar
Hmm.
00:37:14
Mohammad Khan
What I'm seeing is posts of like um Wayne Rooney and Rio Ferdinand driving across the U S and the Grenadier. And I'm like, I don't know if this is it, man.
00:37:24
Anwar
Is it?
00:37:24
Mohammad Khan
Like,
00:37:25
Anwar
haven't seen that. Hold on. I'm going to have a look.
00:37:27
Mohammad Khan
but I think I've talked so much smack about the Grenadier that I'm now being served ads about being a Grenadier. It's...
00:37:33
Anwar
Oh, and I want to make ah i want to make ah an adjustment where said earlier, I think actually the most British Empire car in the world is the Range Rover. It's the one the Queen drove. It's the one she was driven around in. There is nothing more British than a Range Rover.
00:37:45
Anwar
And it kind of shows...
00:37:46
Mohammad Khan
It's all right. just have reclaimed it.
00:37:49
Anwar
Hmm?
00:37:49
Mohammad Khan
Is there now? Sorry, the colonized have reclaimed the Range Rover. not reclaimed it. They have claimed the Range Rover now. well oh yeah and jail
00:37:55
Anwar
Well, they own it. it's They own it.
00:37:58
Mohammad Khan
but They just ah put in that Indian ah ceo ah CEO as well for the first time, right? So
00:38:04
Anwar
Oh, yeah. What the hell is this? We thought Wayne Rooney and Rio Ferdinand driving around.
00:38:09
Mohammad Khan
I wasn't making this up.
00:38:10
Anwar
Oh, and and by the way, something else as well earlier. Do you remember who's driven it? Ineos is a big sponsor of Mercedes. So we've got Lewis Hamilton and ah yeah George.
00:38:18
Mohammad Khan
No, no, George Russell and ah who's the kid?
00:38:21
Anwar
No, no, no. Even before that, before that, before that, this was a few years ago.
00:38:22
Mohammad Khan
so
00:38:24
Anwar
um I've seen videos of, of ah all old, old, Mr. Lewis Hamilton or Sir Lewis Hamilton, sorry.
00:38:32
Mohammad Khan
interesting. Yeah, i've so I've seen those posts. I've seen posts with Russell and Antonelli. I didn't know before that.
00:38:36
Anwar
Hmm.
00:38:37
Mohammad Khan
don't think paid enough attention to the Grenadier before. But I think that that whole thing is really interesting to me because do you remember the whole deal with the McLaren F1 and the Mercedes ah SLR and what happened?
00:38:47
Mohammad Khan
where Gordon Murray was basically going to go pitch a whole plan, ah which BMW had, yeah, and him had talked about, about creating a whole lineup of BMW supercars for that they were going to engineer as McLaren or whatever.
00:38:53
Anwar
Yes.
00:39:00
Mohammad Khan
And then that got nixed because Ron Dennis did a deal with mcclarrees with Mercedes as a Formula One car. So I think it's interesting that Ineos being this like massive sponsor of Mercedes, and Mercedes is...
00:39:13
Mohammad Khan
um Formula One drivers are doing content with Ineos, which comes with BMW components. So I...
00:39:20
Anwar
Oh, and um as well, by way, which I think is a very good move. um All the fancy people I know are into cycling. So I think that's also,
00:39:28
Mohammad Khan
so What's the bike you bought?
00:39:31
Anwar
oh it's just the cube. No, no, no, no. Like I know what I don't have. if you know
00:39:34
Mohammad Khan
You rode your carbon bike.
00:39:36
Anwar
No, it's not definitely not carbon. It's just, ah it it has, um I realized this was like a chump move, but it's got the wrong kind of brakes.
00:39:38
Mohammad Khan
Okay.
00:39:44
Anwar
It's got like a rim brakes. It doesn't have ah disc brakes or whatever.
00:39:49
Mohammad Khan
I mean, I get it.
00:39:49
Anwar
um
00:39:50
Mohammad Khan
I just bought my first like carbon plate running shoes, and I'm just like, oh, this is like carbon fiber. but um Yeah, mostly talking about how terrible the Grenadier is, especially the quartermaster.
00:39:55
Anwar
Mid-Soul. Yeah. Okay. um I think we've we we've spent a lot of time on don't many people bored. Mo, there is something else you wanted to talk about and we got we've been here for 40 minutes.
00:40:10
Mohammad Khan
um Okay.
00:40:13
Mohammad Khan
What... is the car that you are most looking forward to that's coming up? Because I think a lot of people, there there's I've got something very clear in mind, I know. And that's why I thought of this question, because I keep seeing this car pop up and I'm like, oh man, when that comes out, I might want to buy one.
00:40:29
Mohammad Khan
But yeah, you go first.
00:40:30
Anwar
I think because we're in this extinction level event with the transition to electric, I think car manufacturers have been treading water and I think it shows in the lineups and what they're trying to shift at the moment.
00:40:45
Anwar
I could not think of a single upcoming car that had me really excited. Nothing came to mind. And the exercise I tried to do was go through each manufacturer and say, okay, between like in this brand, is there something that I'm very excited about?
00:41:00
Anwar
And there is no BMW that I'm excited about. um I see these M5s everywhere and just it it is enormous. That 5 Series is enormous.
00:41:07
Mohammad Khan
once I do not care for the touring or whatever.
00:41:10
Anwar
Yeah, so no BMW, and there's nothing there.
00:41:10
Mohammad Khan
just like
00:41:14
Anwar
Mercedes-Benz, the last car that got me excited from them was obviously the NG1. I think that's a really cool car. I think it's cool because it's massively flawed, um but there's no new...
00:41:26
Mohammad Khan
Is it like the new E-Class with the Mercedes symbol taillights?
00:41:26
Anwar
ah
00:41:30
Anwar
God.
00:41:31
Mohammad Khan
the
00:41:32
Anwar
Look, they're doing...
00:41:32
Mohammad Khan
I think
00:41:33
Anwar
Yeah, no, actually, they're not doing well. um So there's not that. Audi, um they've just discontinued the RS6, which is probably the cool car. they They're going to return with an R8 and a TT, but they're both meant to be fully electric, which I think the experiments are kind of...
00:41:47
Mohammad Khan
they've already announced a a next generation RS6.
00:41:48
Anwar
Hmm?
00:41:51
Mohammad Khan
I think it'll be a V8 hybrid or something, but it'll it's coming back.
00:41:53
Anwar
What? Yeah, well, I mean, they I think, again, no no, no, absolutely right.
00:41:55
Mohammad Khan
I could be wrong. holding up my...
00:41:57
Mohammad Khan
That's
00:41:57
Anwar
But that goes to my point of like treading water and saying maybe we don't we're jumping too far ahead.
00:42:02
Anwar
um Toyota, I heard there might be a new Supra. The MR2 might be the car I'd probably say.
00:42:08
Mohammad Khan
a supercar. or then That's Lexus. Lexus has a new supercar coming out.
00:42:11
Anwar
Yeah, that's cool. I think that might be my answer. Yeah, we'll get to that. That's a good one. Yeah, because it's going to be isn't the LFR is what they're going to call it. So maybe it's that car. Yeah.
00:42:24
Anwar
Nissan, that GT-R, they've been threatening. they're in They're in no position to do anything at the moment. Mazda's been threatening a coupe. All of these different brands are trying to like get us whatever.
00:42:35
Anwar
So I think...
00:42:36
Mohammad Khan
Sorry. I...
00:42:37
Anwar
Maybe the car...
00:42:37
Mohammad Khan
sorry
00:42:38
Anwar
No, it's okay. The car I'm excited about is... The last car that got me excited was the F80. I think that's a really cool car. I think it sounds like nothing. um And I think whenever I see it... like When I see it presented by ah you know a journalist or by Ferrari, it sounds like something. But whenever it happens to be filmed, it sounds like absolutely nothing.
00:42:59
Anwar
But...
00:43:02
Anwar
and and
00:43:02
Mohammad Khan
i
00:43:03
Anwar
Last admission, I think I'm going to die that sounds really weird.
00:43:03
Mohammad Khan
me
00:43:08
Anwar
ah ah but without ever having buying without Without ever buying a new car. I don't think I'm ever going to buy a new car ever again. It's not going to happen.
00:43:16
Mohammad Khan
Okay. I think i think but this is where where our tastes converge, right?
00:43:17
Anwar
So...
00:43:20
Mohammad Khan
And I'm clearly interested and excited about electrified cars and stuff.
00:43:21
Anwar
yeah
00:43:25
Mohammad Khan
I think this is cool. um I don't mind the shift away. And I think absolutely for my daily driver, like I think that's on the horizon. I will absolutely, I mean, I want to make my Mazda 6 the million mile Mazda, but um when the time comes,
00:43:38
Anwar
You can get an electric one and do that.
00:43:40
Mohammad Khan
Oh, absolutely fucking absolutelyte not. And if we have time to talk about it, the demise of Mazda is something that we need to, we just maybe we save it for the next episode, but that is something that I think is.
00:43:50
Anwar
so what this So what car are you looking forward to, Mo?
00:43:53
Mohammad Khan
The Honda Prelude. the Yeah.
00:43:57
Anwar
Oh, I've read about it. i Did you read about the engine? um Okay, ah allow me to burst bubble for two things.
00:44:01
Mohammad Khan
I've ah go explained why, but you do tell me about the engine first.
00:44:08
Anwar
So um it's it was an autocar this week. I just read a review of people driving it.
00:44:11
Mohammad Khan
that It wasn't this week. They said shotgun. They didn't get to drive it. Right. Is that the one same review what we're talking about?
00:44:17
Anwar
The blue one.
00:44:17
Mohammad Khan
did they drive?
00:44:19
Anwar
Yeah.
00:44:19
Mohammad Khan
Yeah. ah Shotgun. They didn't actually drive it, but.
00:44:21
Mohammad Khan
um um something because I don't know the technicalities.
00:44:21
Anwar
Ah, okay.
00:44:22
Anwar
But do you know how the engine works? and and i'll give you And I have a little bit of experience with it now. So the engine is not actually...
00:44:28
Mohammad Khan
I was just excited about other stuff.
00:44:30
Anwar
It's a hybrid, but it's a hybrid where the engine does not power the wheels at all. So it is a turbo um four cylinder like ah most of these cars are, but it is a hybrid that is fully electric and the engine is there to simply recharge the battery.
00:44:48
Anwar
And I've driven a car in Gran Turismo recently because I've got like a little sim rig and it is a Nissan Revia. I don't know. and I really should know cars more than I do.
00:44:58
Anwar
But it is the same thing. And it is the most annoying sounding thing in the world. It is a background hum of
00:45:09
Anwar
and it's monotone. It is a disaster. And I remember driving this thing and I thought, I will not get much money in game for this, but I really just want to sell it because it is that horrendous.
00:45:24
Anwar
This idea of a hybrid that works like that is not a good thing. And that's how the that's what the the the basis of the prelude is, supposedly. So, sorry.
00:45:35
Mohammad Khan
Getting back to it, here's why i'm excited about So I think, okay, in this, I think we were talking about the general like vibes of the world right now. And I think a lot of people, for better for worse, want to go back to the way things were.
00:45:49
Mohammad Khan
And I think that's that's a huge sentiment. And I think... There are definitely companies that are capitalizing on that and doing well with that too. I mean, Ineos, for example, but also companies that are doing well with it, Renault with the five is killing it from what I understand.
00:46:02
Anwar
ye Local hero.
00:46:03
Mohammad Khan
um And that is super cool. But I think that predates me a little bit. Like, I don't think I was really alive for the, I think I was, I was even too young and I don't think Renaults were big enough of a deal in Saudi, but the prelude was, and i mean, I don't, i'd so I wouldn't say it's a big deal, but the prelude was a um,
00:46:22
Mohammad Khan
was one of the one of the few sports coupes that you would see around um Saudi.
00:46:23
Anwar
Yeah.
00:46:28
Mohammad Khan
ah Saudi, I don't think at the time, two doors were very common. Usually what you'd see was a Mustang or a Camaro, um hardly ever anything else, maybe a Corvette here and there. And then you you yeah when you went to the bigger cities, I grew up in a small town.
00:46:40
Mohammad Khan
When you went to the bigger cities, you'd see like things like an 8 Series or an SL, or you know um then your Ferraris and things like that, you know if you were really lucky. But Generally, I don't think two doors were really a thing um when i when I was growing up. I don't remember them, other than the Mustang or Camaro.
00:46:54
Mohammad Khan
And the Prelude was one of the few that broke through. i remember it was a third and fourth generation Preludes. I i saw them around. I saw them around. And the third and fourth were definitely, I think I may have nearly even bought a fourth as my first car in high school because it was going really cheap.
00:47:09
Mohammad Khan
But I ended up with the Del Sol instead. um But, you know, so all good. But the ah I think that the Prelude appeals to that side of me. It's practical enough of a car that I could use it like as a as a daily driver, it's got that whole like you know lower emissions, better fuel efficiency thing going on.
00:47:29
Mohammad Khan
um I want to say I trust Honda to deliver and a fun car to drive. um I know they cocked it up with the CRZ, but um the last time they tried to do a hybrid sports car reinvention of an old car that they had,
00:47:44
Mohammad Khan
But um I'm hoping to get it right with the Prelude because it's a good looking thing. I think in a very like low key kind of way, it's not. And which was always the key case for the Prelude. It never looked like the third gen, I think, was as as cool as like they ever got. But it was always like low key, good looking.
00:48:00
Mohammad Khan
You know, that's what it was. And i' so I'm excited about that car. I genuinely am excited about that car. And it seems like and it's a car that I could I'm sure I could afford if they choose to sell it in the UAE. So I like, um yeah, that's what I'm looking forward to.
00:48:14
Anwar
I'm looking at it now and um it definitely does feel like a car of its era. It feels like it has that Ferrari Toyota face. um
00:48:26
Anwar
I wonder, again, like having experience driving ah simulator, I guess, um with that engine, I'd be very intrigued to see how you feel about it, experiencing that drivetrain and this kind of version of a hybrid.
00:48:42
Anwar
um and'd be very yeah i'm I'm very excited to hear back.
00:48:45
Mohammad Khan
That's interesting. I have been in electric cars before. I don't think I've ever been in a hybrid. I don't think I've ever sat. Oh, no. Other than I have, that's a lie.
00:48:54
Anwar
Of course. and Every single taxi.
00:48:55
Mohammad Khan
The Uber. like
00:48:56
Anwar
Yeah, every single taxi you've made it.
00:48:58
Mohammad Khan
so No. Oh yeah, you're right. The Toyota Camry hybrids as well. Yeah. Okay.
00:49:02
Anwar
All of them.
00:49:02
Mohammad Khan
I forgot.
00:49:02
Anwar
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:49:04
Mohammad Khan
I can't tell the difference anyway, but you're saying there's a different type of hybrid. So.
00:49:07
Anwar
Yes, so that that that that that hybrid that you're normally used to is where the engine actually has a connection, a physical connection to the wheels. And the the engine itself can drive the wheels. This is not that.
00:49:18
Anwar
This is an onboard generator, basically.
00:49:23
Mohammad Khan
You remember when there was that, there was a video way back when the Model S was new, Tesla, and somebody had run out of juice and they would carried a generator, a fuel generator in the trunk.
00:49:35
Anwar
Diesel.
00:49:36
Mohammad Khan
like Yeah, they were using it to like, and people were making fun of this dude and here we are. This is like...
00:49:42
Anwar
Well, I mean, look, again, actually, that the one of the biggest segments in China, the Chinese car market, is these kind of extended ranges, hybrids. it's It's very popular. It's a good, clever solution. It's what BMW did with the i3.
00:49:56
Anwar
I think if we want to talk about the most um advanced cars and a car probably i'd I'd actually own, if I had to own a city car, I'd 100% own a BMW i3. That was how it worked. It had a range extending, um what's it called, a generator in the boot.
00:50:12
Anwar
um So like again, I don't think it's a bad solution. I just don't think it makes a good sports car.
00:50:18
Mohammad Khan
We'll see. i think I think it should be interesting. i mean, like, yeah, anyway, I won't get into that. That's completely different topic.
00:50:23
Anwar
But, but okay, and let let, let, let me drop a bomb, something that we can kind of hold people onto ah for next week. And I haven't even talked to you about this. The sports car is dead and I think economics killed it. Um, I'm very happy to pick this up about ah later, but I, I would say the, the reason that we don't see as many sports cars and two door cars, isn't just the SUV thing. It's that people cannot afford to have that kind of indulgence anymore.
00:50:48
Anwar
And, uh,
00:50:48
Mohammad Khan
I want to bring up the car industry analysis like graphs. It's not just that, right? It's like when you say economics killed it, right? like I feel there was a lot. So I was just thinking about this on the way here because I was driving from somewhere and I was thinking about how in the early 90s in Saudi, my dad was buying a Mazda at the time. We were at the dealership and the And the dealer, you know, i was a little kid back then that was super into cars.
00:51:14
Mohammad Khan
He handed me a brochure for the RX-7. This would have been the FB or f FC.
00:51:19
Anwar
D.
00:51:20
Mohammad Khan
FC RX-7.
00:51:21
Anwar
FC? No, be an FD, dude.
00:51:23
Mohammad Khan
FB.
00:51:23
Anwar
I think the FD.
00:51:24
Mohammad Khan
No. The one before the FD.
00:51:25
Anwar
The FD...
00:51:26
Mohammad Khan
It wasn't the FD. The FD is one of my absolute favorite cars. a dream car.
00:51:29
Anwar
Okay.
00:51:29
Mohammad Khan
but No. The one before it. The boxy one.
00:51:31
Anwar
Okay. Yep, FC, yep.
00:51:32
Mohammad Khan
um not Not the first gen, second gen. Let's call it that.
00:51:35
Anwar
Yeah, FC.
00:51:36
Mohammad Khan
and Sorry, RX7 fans, as much as I love it.
00:51:36
Anwar
Yep.
00:51:38
Mohammad Khan
um But yeah, that he gave me a brochure for that and I held on to that for years. I don't know why, but it was super cool.
00:51:44
Anwar
Hmm.
00:51:45
Mohammad Khan
um And i think what was interesting at the time was there was clearly no market. I never saw like maybe once or twice on RX7 on the road in Saudi. ah that generation in particular.
00:51:55
Anwar
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:51:56
Mohammad Khan
And it was like, I don't think anyone did any market economics or like brand studies or any market, you know, like focus groups or anything to see if this car would sell. They just brought a bunch over, you know? And I think with all this like data and optimization and stuff like that, people are just realizing that, or have realized, sorry, they're not realizing. They have realized that the market for these cars is not huge. And so they're like, why should we invest in developing them?
00:52:22
Mohammad Khan
The only people that are making making the cases for these are people like Porsche with like the RS cars and stuff like that, right? Where they're selling them, like the the margins I've heard on but the GT3s and stuff like that are nuts. But-
00:52:34
Anwar
I want to make a big point. um I have worked out with a few different brands who always have the same, and there's a new pitch that's just come in um that i'm I'm working on.
00:52:42
Mohammad Khan
Thanks.
00:52:43
Anwar
They always have the same thing and they've been talking about it for ages. We want to become a luxury brand. And it's ah it's almost like an epidemic in the car industry. All these different car companies wanting to become luxury brands. And they they position themselves or they look at the different like luxury brands like Louis Vuitton and Gucci and they want to become like that.
00:53:03
Anwar
And I think the problem with that thinking is that people in those companies, those luxury brand companies, they live luxury. And every single touch point is luxury. Why? Because every single person who works in that company, from the person that works this like the the the on on the showroom floor,
00:53:19
Anwar
all the way up to the CEO, the CFO, every single person that's not even involved in fashion loves fashion, who's in these industries.
00:53:25
Mohammad Khan
Yeah, oh man.
00:53:26
Anwar
And hold on, and the problem with trying to make car companies a luxury brands is that's not how those people work.
00:53:26
Mohammad Khan
I'm, yeah.
00:53:32
Anwar
However, I can guarantee that most people in those car companies are sports car fans. And ah throughout all their history, they have been able to scam their way kind of into making more sports cars because that's what they always wanted to do.
00:53:47
Anwar
So even if logic never dictated, and this is the reason all these cars are loss leaders, and you mentioned the LFA as one of them, it's because somebody had heart and the entire organization knew that it wasn't economically sound, but they had to create a sports car. And the LFA is a perfect example of it.
00:54:03
Anwar
You had ah Mr. Toyota himself learning to drive a sports car with a ah man who within Porsche had basically, is a racing driver, had a huge history, told him off actually, like dressed him down and said, you don't know how to drive cars. if you're going to sell cars, you'd have to learn how to drive cars and I'll teach you how to race.
00:54:20
Anwar
And that man with Mr. Toyota created the LFA program. And it didn't matter if it didn't make economic sense. That's the problem. They're trying to become luxury brands, but they aren't in their sole luxury. And what they are is every single one of these car companies, and even the boring ones like Toyota, are full of people who want to make sports cars.
00:54:40
Anwar
So that's what the truth is. They are sports car makers. And that's the luxury. Sorry, rant over.
00:54:46
Mohammad Khan
Uh, man, we, we, we're going to need to pick that up next episode for sure. Because I think like, I agree and disagree because like, for example, like case in point me, I love cars.
00:54:54
Anwar
Mm-hmm.
00:54:57
Mohammad Khan
I think we've established, I might not be a sports car person. Um, um,
00:55:02
Anwar
I disagree. I completely disagree with you. i don't I don't think you know yourself in that case because I think you, yeah, I don't mind saying that.
00:55:05
Mohammad Khan
I don't know, but,
00:55:08
Anwar
It's funny. um Let me explain why. I think you are a massive appreciator and you know a lot about them. It might not fit your lifestyle what you want from a car, but I know you, Mo, and I know how much you know about all these different cars throughout history and now.
00:55:21
Anwar
And you just mentioned the sports car. So maybe it's not something that you personally would get, but I know you would be a person in those car companies would be very excited for the sports car program.
00:55:30
Mohammad Khan
mr just yeah and Okay, fair enough.
00:55:33
Anwar
Yeah.
00:55:33
Mohammad Khan
ah And i think I think when we discuss that topic, I think Bentley is an interesting case to bring up because I think they're doing it right. But um the I think we'll end with that. I think there's ah something. Alex, would you like to plug some of your new work?
00:55:48
Anwar
Oh, I'm not very good at that. Yeah.
00:55:51
Mohammad Khan
I mean, I put it Instagram and it looks super cool. So maybe i I'd like to give you a couple minutes to talk about that because it is very related to what we
00:55:54
Anwar
yeah
00:55:58
Anwar
Oh, actually, I maybe you make a bigger point of that. um I think that I learned a lesson working with different car brands. And it's something that's made me think about posting or not posting.
00:56:09
Anwar
um I think I've developed a decent relationship with quite a few different people, because I haven't shouted about the work I've done. And I think it's a it's a decision I'm making is something i've been discussing with Mo that Self-promotion on LinkedIn is something that we all need to do. However, I think I have gained, hopefully, in touch wood, a good reputation with a few of brands I've worked on because I haven't used them to pretend like I've done more on these different projects.
00:56:41
Anwar
And I think that's allowed me to do more. Phil McGovern is a person we both work for, um who I'm shouting out him specifically because he taught me something and something I've thought about for a long time.
00:56:51
Anwar
um eight Sometimes it's good to be the guy behind the curtain pulling the strings and you don't need to be the person shouting about it.
00:56:55
Mohammad Khan
Mm-hmm.
00:56:59
Anwar
I don't know if that's still true now. I think self-promotion is becoming much more important and myth-building around people, but I still kind of believe that. And I've personally been involved in some really cool projects, ah like Mo mentioned now, but I am actually practically choosing not to promote them for that reason. It might be advice that you could probably you can get a lot more done if you don't shout about what you do.
00:57:20
Anwar
and if you if the And if you allow the people who know what you've done to speak for you. um That's kind of why I haven't um posted about them in like a professional setting.
00:57:30
Mohammad Khan
Fair enough.
00:57:31
Anwar
But no, but it's it you absolutely right. And it's something I don't know if I'm right or wrong about, but this is currently where I am. And it's, um yeah, but I don't mind doing that.
00:57:36
Mohammad Khan
Okay.
00:57:39
Mohammad Khan
I got I appreciate
00:57:39
Anwar
But that's kind of the reason. Hmm.
00:57:41
Mohammad Khan
Yeah. yeah and Yeah. I mean, I know that's, I said that guy, I was just clowning around, but that, that was deep. That was personal. I appreciate it Like, I'm really glad you shared that with our audience of five. Um, so, um, what I will say is that, you know, I was just browsing around the internet, um, in the last few days and I got on the Porsche motorsport page and they have some really, really cool videos there.
00:58:01
Mohammad Khan
Like race born.
00:58:02
Anwar
Yeah.
00:58:03
Mohammad Khan
That's what it was.
00:58:03
Anwar
yeah but Okay.
00:58:04
Mohammad Khan
I, um, you see those like, uh, did you, did you, did you have anything to do with those at all?
00:58:05
Anwar
That's the thing. Yeah.
00:58:09
Mohammad Khan
at maybe a little bit, but.
00:58:11
Anwar
There's two model cars back there and um they are the current Porsche Le Mans legends and their performance hasn't been necessarily what Porsche was hoping for, but they still won races and done well.
00:58:13
Mohammad Khan
Yeah. 100%, yeah.
00:58:21
Anwar
And having a fingerprint on those kinds of cars that,
00:58:26
Mohammad Khan
yeah
00:58:27
Anwar
Yeah, that's cool. And yeah, I worked on the Race Bond campaign. um it was it's It takes a village to do that kind of thing. And there's a lot of people involved in it.
00:58:35
Mohammad Khan
ah hundred yeah
00:58:37
Anwar
But I've been very proud of the the part I've been able to play in telling that kind of story for such a company. Like, this is Portia. And the the other the other reason I also try not to celebrate it too much
00:58:49
Mohammad Khan
Not as cool as Mother's Body, but yeah.
00:58:51
Anwar
ah yeah yeah But it's also because to do things, if if it's just belongs to you, you don't then allow other people to make it theirs and run with it. And I think that's how success happens. I think when you allow people to also you know, share in this thing and you give it to them, it's if you try and control it too much, no one will want to use it.
00:59:11
Anwar
But the thing the thing that we're trying to do with, you know, raise one, as you said, um is that it should be a platform for other people to also make great work for and if it's if I try and claim and own it, it wouldn't be factually true. And I think it would also prevent it from becoming bigger, if you know what i mean.
00:59:28
Mohammad Khan
so I just want to be 100% clear that when we I asked you to plug this or when i you know when I said maybe you should share this on some other platforms or whatever, I know you didn't do all that work.
00:59:40
Mohammad Khan
You're not that smart. um but you But I think I just – I know you're super proud of it, and that's why I wanted you to share Not for any other reason than you worked hard on that, man, and it's related to what we do or what we're talking about, and I think that's cool.
00:59:55
Mohammad Khan
So you know I think the world has to know about it.
00:59:56
Anwar
But like the line, for example, was a...
00:59:58
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
00:59:58
Anwar
Yeah, the the line, for example, was a copywriter, I wrote the brief for it. And it was something but it was originally just for the 963 programme. But I even talked to ah likek people in the office. and That's not my line. It's not I didn't write it, I wrote a brief to it.
01:00:10
Mohammad Khan
yeah
01:00:11
Anwar
And then I created the context around it. But that's just a good example of going, um I don't, I don't want to pretend and walk around like it's I am Mr. Raceborne.
01:00:23
Anwar
It's not true. um
01:00:24
Mohammad Khan
No, Mr. Raceborn, you were just a guy that has a fingerprint on the campaign and you're super proud of it.
01:00:28
Anwar
Yeah.
01:00:29
Mohammad Khan
That's cool.
01:00:29
Anwar
And everyone.
01:00:29
Mohammad Khan
I think you worked on
01:00:29
Anwar
And and i'm really proud of yeah I'm really proud of how everyone kind of used it. And even on social, it's been it wouldn't exist if if it were just me. But it's at all these different people who are like, oh, this is a cool thing.
01:00:41
Anwar
And I want to do something with it. That that was really cool. And and hopefully it's not you know it it will continue. And I'm actually looking here. I have from Le Mans some postcards. And if I'm not wrong, look, it's over on the postcard.
01:00:55
Anwar
but This was the Lamont postcard.
01:00:56
Mohammad Khan
I see.
01:00:58
Anwar
And there it is. Yeah.
01:01:01
Mohammad Khan
Now, the other thing that we've done this week has created our social media.
01:01:02
Anwar
That's cool. Should bring this into land? Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:08
Mohammad Khan
So on Instagram, we are gulf underscore spec underscore podcast. um You should be able to find us on YouTube um sometime before this episode comes out. So I guess just search gulf spec podcast.
01:01:23
Mohammad Khan
I think that would be a good way to go. What's our email address if people want to send us hate mail?
01:01:28
Anwar
um hold on give me a second to yeah keep talking about I'll find it now it was in our chat ah tell tell me about yeah tell me about what you how you spec a
01:01:28
Mohammad Khan
see this led birth stuff I don't know.
01:01:36
Mohammad Khan
I don't know what else to say. I can tell you that we are on Apple Podcasts. We are on Zencast. We are live on Spotify. i don't know if the video is quite working on Spotify, but the audio definitely is.
01:01:49
Mohammad Khan
Yeah.
01:01:50
Anwar
And our email address is golf.specgcc at gmail.com. So that's golf.specgcc at gmail.com. There we go. Lovely.
01:02:02
Anwar
On that sound effect.
01:02:02
Mohammad Khan
yeah
01:02:03
Anwar
Thank you very much, Mo.
01:02:03
Mohammad Khan
yeah
01:02:03
Anwar
I really enjoy this.
01:02:05
Mohammad Khan
All right. Yeah, we'll do another one soon.
01:02:08
Anwar
Bye, everyone. Bye, five people.