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Podcast Introduction and Humor
00:00:01
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Hi fellow gents. Hi. Okay, cool. It worked this time. Yeah. We have another episode that we'll never see the light of the day. If you count that, that's true. Yeah. We have a 16 second episode. If you want to donate up to a thousand dollars, we will, we will release the 16 seconds of, uh, I think of removed audio. I don't think we said anything we can't say, right? It was just us saying it's not working. You can, uh, you can, uh, donate that to our non-existent Patreon.
00:00:29
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Yeah, you got to start one for us. If somebody wants to Patreon us a thousand dollars, I'll start a Patreon for you to Patreon us a thousand dollars, but nobody wants to do that. I've got a Venmo. Just give it to me on Venmo. Just give me a personal check. You want to announce your Venmo right here on the podcast so that listener can send you a Venmo request.
00:00:53
Speaker
I'll have them put it in the show notes. We'll put it in the show notes. Have you guys had the occasion to use Venmo for like, have either of you done any like selling of Girl Scout cookies or I know Jake, you have a son, but I mean, uh, cookies, popcorn, Boy Scout, popcorn, anything, and had to charge people using Venmo out on the street. No, very strange. Very annoying. I think there was a, yeah, there was a possibility where my kids were selling those little dominoes, like cards around the neighborhood, but I think everybody just was a civilized person and paid with cash, like a good citizen.
00:01:22
Speaker
I think that's technically against Venmo like terms because we use Venmo at my bar association for donations during COVID and Venmo shut our countdown. Like Venmo, I've definitely never done that. Yeah.
New Job Experiences and Tech Preferences
00:01:52
Speaker
Okay, so I'll get this out of the way at the top. Hello and welcome to Esquiring Minds episode 17 for, what is it, May 11th, 2023? The show is three lawyer friends just talking for our own enjoyment. Nothing we say should be taken as legal advice or technology advice or any sort of advice whatsoever. Life advice, we shouldn't, we're not, we might talk about life things. If we do, don't follow us, don't follow in our footsteps.
00:02:12
Speaker
I'm one of those friends. I'm Andrew Leahy. I'm a tax and technology attorney and I'm joined as I'm always joined by Jake Schumer. He's a Florida local attorney. Yeah, right. And construction attorney. You have the JD, right? You have it now. I have a JD. I got a, I got a bar license. I got a board certification. Nice. And today I decided to let the intro music play without interrupting it.
00:02:40
Speaker
for the first time. But yeah, I've started a new job, which is cool. It's cool. You forget how much of that is paperwork. So I've done some paperwork. It's good. And man, oh, here's my takeaway, my relevant takeaway. Hello. Hi there. We're waving at both Jason's children.
00:03:05
Speaker
There's a shirtless nine-year-old who's podcasting here with me. Hopefully related to you. What's your take on Microsoft Outlook? Oh, dang it. He's gone. He uses a Chromebook. Also, you can only be heard through my AirPods, because I'm a civilized podgaster. Oh, OK. Sorry, paperwork in a new app. Yeah, a lot of setting up of your passwords and email logins and such.
00:03:32
Speaker
And I still don't know what I'm doing because I'm still doing a lot of what I did. Still doing some land use stuff. That's what I've done so far. But I'm also doing construction defect litigation, which is one of the most
00:03:49
Speaker
complex when it comes to having a whole bunch of parties and yet still being mostly like money fights with plaintiffs' attorneys. And I'm still trying to figure out what that is. But the biggest takeaway is that, man, Google Workspaces is so much nicer than Microsoft Outlook, in my humble opinion.
00:04:12
Speaker
So Google Workspace is being like, so I have like the fam, I, you know, I'm a loser. I don't really have a job that requires any of that sort of stuff. So, but I have like, uh, Oh, thank you so much. I have like a Google apps account for my family. So I think I know what you're talking about, right? It's like the Gmail with the calendar integration and docs and drive and all that sort of stuff.
00:04:33
Speaker
Yeah, like really it's about the emails. When an email comes in to me on Outlook, I feel like it's like a clunk into my inbox. It's like a violent introduction. Whereas Gmail, they just kind of slide into your inbox like really nice.
00:04:53
Speaker
Is it possible that your complaint with Outlook is entirely about the little sound it makes? It might be about the notification. It might be purely the fact that I let Outlook send me notifications and I didn't let Gmail send me notifications. That is a distinct possibility. That could be your entire life. That could literally be it.
Gaming Excitement and Parenting Challenges
00:05:16
Speaker
Yeah, also the integration between Gmail and its calendar and the way that Gmail, the Google Calendar really is built for remote working or allows you to remote work really easily is very nice.
00:05:37
Speaker
Cool. That's my big takeaway so far. Give me three months and I'll have a more complete takeaway on my new job. No, I know you're kidding, but I've had jobs where the technology definitely can sink the job. You know what I mean? Being stuck in some old system.
00:05:55
Speaker
Law files look something I forget what the first firm I worked at ran on this incredibly old like basic six maybe I don't even it was terrible Yeah, something along those lines and crash constantly it was from like the late 90s and it made my Job, you know, it was bad job anyway, but it made it worse. Yeah All right, so that's that's updates from from Jake we also have Jason He's now office it seems
00:06:22
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Yes. Yeah. My, uh, freshly minted nine year old from a few days ago, uh, he came in to tell me, tell me good night and remind me that I'm supposed to wake him up early in the morning so that he can play tears of the kingdom before he goes to school. Oh, so true. Yeah. Oh my gosh. He's pretty excited. He's pretty excited. So we got him that for his birthday, but his birthday was a couple of days ago. And so it's not out yet until midnight tonight. And so I told him if he had good behavior this week, if he had a good attitude,
00:06:51
Speaker
Uh, and he got to bed at a good time tonight that I will wake him up at like five 30 tomorrow morning. And this is the one of our kids who just like doesn't need sleep. He's, he can sleep for six hours and be just a unending ball of energy. Uh, and so I'm going to wake him up at five 30 so that he can squeeze in like an hour, hour and 15 of tears of the kingdom.
00:07:15
Speaker
So super cool. So five 30 from midnight till five 30, will you be playing it? And then you'll be getting him up. I kind of come and join join you at that point. No, no, no, I'm 41 years old. I can have a little bit of restraint and I can just
00:07:30
Speaker
Wait until they go to school and just not work tomorrow and play it instead during working hours. Oh, that's very mature. That's much more mature. Yeah, that's great. Wait until the kids leave the house and don't work. I need to find my broken half switch. I've heard such good things. It's going to be worth it to figure out whether or not that switch still works. I feel like if a switch breaks in half. You don't have a functioning switch? That's time for a new one. It was broken in half, remember? Yeah, I remember. It worked as far as I knew, but it is broken in half.
00:08:01
Speaker
Like the casing is split in half on the back.
00:08:05
Speaker
And so when you grab it, it's like there's some circuit board. It's showing circuit board a little bit. May I ask how that occurred? No, I have no idea. Torsion. Oh, like a twisting. Yeah. Natural degradation of heavy use since 2017 or whatever it was. Natural rage torsion. Rage from stick drift. Yeah.
00:08:33
Speaker
Yeah, it's rage from, uh, I don't know, losing it splatoon or something like that. Uh, so hi, I'm Jason no longer a nine year old in the room with me.
Real Estate Trust Issues
00:08:42
Speaker
Uh, I sue people's bad bosses. Uh, and sometimes I win and no, that's not true. I'm selling myself short. Most of the time I do pretty. All right. Uh, and so that's me. I live in Georgia right now. I'm maybe not going to live in Georgia for very much longer. We're going to find out.
00:09:01
Speaker
trying to sell this house here and buy a house up in Indiana where my work has been for the last 13 years and has continued for the four years that we've lived here. So that's what's going on with me. I've heard from many realtors that there's never been a better time to buy. I don't know whether that's true. They keep telling me there's never been a better time to sell. Oh, interesting. I don't know if these realtors are to be trusted. They're definitely not to be trusted. I don't have positive feelings about realtors.
00:09:31
Speaker
Uh, but y'all already know from, uh, non, uh, on the podcast chat about the realtors cabal, which sometimes they can be very useful. Uh, but gatekeeping every real estate transaction for residential real estate is just not awesome. Yeah. I'm trying to, I'm thinking back over when they were helpful for me, other than opening up that little lock box to get the key out. That's it's on the knob to show me the house. That's the only thing I can think of. Oh, hey, if you're moving,
00:09:59
Speaker
If you're moving to an area where you don't know the area at all, like they can be super helpful. Uh, you know, when we moved down here, uh, we didn't know very much about the city that we were moving to. And so like gathering that kind of information from the realtor, yeah, that's helpful. I don't know if it's 3% of the total value of the real estate helpful, but it's helpful.
00:10:19
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Well, and the problem is how do you ascertain if you're dealing with a trustworthy realtor or not in terms of are they actually telling you that like, here's the place you want to live. Here's a, here's a little sneaky secret nobody knows about. It's much cheaper here. The property taxes are lower and it's totally not because this is a,
00:10:34
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you know, a den of inequity or whatever. How do you know, you know what I mean, if you have a good one or not? You know the same way that you know that you're dealing with a reputable lawyer, right? You just have to dive into it and try it. And you know, you can count on Google reviews a little bit, but you dive into it and try it. And you don't find out whether they're worthwhile until it's too late.
00:10:55
Speaker
I have no bad. I don't have bad feelings about realtors. Like I've used realtors every time that I sold and bought a house. But except that I do, I do make fun of them for always saying that it's a good time. But they don't have the ethical rules, at least in Florida. They don't have like the same ethical rules that attorneys do, which was an issue for somebody that I know, where they found out that the person that they were selling to was represented by the same agency.
00:11:25
Speaker
uh that and like they had both sides of it right and they were kind of like both of the retail realtors were like trying to force the you know the transaction through because they were going to get the whole the whole pie and i was like this feels illegal this feels like it should be illegal
00:11:43
Speaker
Here, I mean, I've had that, but you have to just, it's called a dual disclose agent. And we've had that here where, I mean, I've sold places and the buyer, or no, I guess the other way around, I guess I was the buyer and I just kept the same agent that was the listing agent. Because I figured, because again, I don't really trust realtors in general. So like, I don't care. I figure that's basically what's going on anyway. So whatever, fine. But yeah, so here they have to disclose it, but they can do it.
00:12:09
Speaker
Yeah. And actually they get a lower percentage. Like I'm, I'm remembering like the realtor that I had talked about how sometimes I'll represent the other side too. And I'll take a lower percentage if I take both sides. But in this case, there was some like weird, like indirect connection between the two filters, but they were working together to close it anyway. You can't hide that. Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:32
Speaker
I can't remember if it's Georgia or Indiana. It's all blurring together at this point. Some places call it a limited agency transaction because they can't be your full agent because they're basically engaging in a little bit of self-dealing, which seems problematic from the standpoint of the law of principle and agent.
Law School Rankings Debate
00:12:53
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The agent has a fiduciary duty to the principle of loyalty and fair dealing. And you can't really do that very well when you're on both sides of the transaction. But what do I know? I'm just a lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. So what's going on with you? Yeah, I'll do a quick life update. We didn't get any life update from you. I don't have much. I mean, you guys already sort of know. But I'm like formally now on the schedule for fall for Drexel Klein School of Law to teach tax policy. Thank you.
00:13:23
Speaker
Thank you. Just an adjunct for now, but that's super cool. I've been sort of eyeballing moving into academia for a long time, so this was kind of a big deal to get it. And that also sort of bridges us or segues us into a topic we'll talk about later if we care. The US News and World Report rankings that came out, did you guys get to look at that at all? Yeah. Well, I have a question. Do you guys know what Harvard was ranked last year?
00:13:51
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Is this like a quiz there? No. Yeah. Because when I went back in my day, there were three at the top. There was Stanford, Yale and Harvard. Those are the three at the top. I would imagine as well. Right. And with these new rankings, Harvard is down down down to number five. And that makes me very happy.
00:14:14
Speaker
Because Harvard always seemed like the one that was like that's the name brand but they have like a thousand attorneys in and It's it's like a brand a brand mill Sorry to anybody who went to Harvard Law School. I'm sure you're doing fine. I'm sure you're not listening to us. You're on your yacht. I do know plenty of very obviously very smart people that went to Harvard.
00:14:42
Speaker
But it's like, it just sounded like a miserable place to me. And so I don't know why I'm like so anti Harvard, but it's because I'm a hater at heart, maybe. Sure. Maybe that's why. I mean, yeah, I'll get fast for sure. Like had I gotten into Harvard, I didn't even apply to Harvard, but had I gotten in, I would be defending it to the end here and I would be I would have gone in an instant.
00:15:06
Speaker
As I remember, they were the big shoot for the moon school among people who maybe didn't have great GPAs, but figured that if they kept taking the LSAT, they could get a decent score. There was like a whole... You're not basing that on Legally Blonde, right?
00:15:27
Speaker
I don't think I know. I'm basically on top law schools, the forum. And when I was applying, that was like a very important thing to be looking at and stuff. And there were a lot of people who had GPAs that I like, I'll be honest, I didn't realize people ever got like, you know, high ones and low twos. I didn't really realize that. I don't know. I wasn't aware that that was possible.
00:15:50
Speaker
And they were taking and retaking the LSATs to get the LSATs, I'm pluralizing it, the LSAT to get above a 170 because it was like technically possible that you could get into Harvard if you got into that 172, 173 zone, sort of no matter what your GPA. If you had a good story for why your GPA was in the toilet, you could get in. Whereas like Yale and Stanford, forget it. You know what I mean? If you don't have above a certain, like above a 30 or something, it doesn't matter what you get on the LSAT, you're not getting in.
00:16:19
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And so I always kind of felt I'm with you, Jake, on the Harvard take. US News and World Report ranked in 2021 the top three were Yale, Stanford, Harvard. Yeah. I'm willing to chalk at least some of this up to the fact that some of the law schools stopped cooperating with US News and World Report, at least
00:16:45
Speaker
nominally, they stopped cooperating like we're not going to participate in this anymore. It's hard for me to imagine. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard for me to imagine that that actually came to fruition in any event. Yes. Harvard dropped from number three in 2021 to number five in what is this ranking year 2023. I don't know what happened in 2022, but
00:17:13
Speaker
Yeah, great, fine. They still carry an awful lot of cache. Oh yeah, they're not going anywhere. God help me. I don't know why this happened, but somehow the Big Law subreddit started ending up being suggested for me, probably because AI is listening to this podcast and finding out how much I bag on Big Law.
00:17:38
Speaker
Uh, but they like, they have their own acronym for Harvard Yale and Stanford. They call them HYS and they expect everybody to know what it means. Uh, and okay, that's pretty presumptuous, but whatever. Uh, you know, I, I went to a fine law school. It was in the, I don't know. I don't know what it was ranked at the time that I went to, but it was a fine law school. Like I'm not ashamed of it. Uh, but like to be that into where you're ranked on U S news and world report.
00:18:06
Speaker
I get why people are, why these universities are saying like, we're not going to participate in it anymore because it's not, I don't know. It's just, it's obnoxious. And Andrew and I, I think are in the same boat where you said HIS and we were like, yeah. Cause we both went on TLS top law schools.com when we were applying. Have you ever heard the term TTT before Jason or Andrew?
00:18:31
Speaker
Yeah, I have. Yes. I know what that means. Do you know what that means? It's an insulting term for anything that's outside of the top 14 law schools, basically. Yeah. It's third tier, three tiers, right? I think. Yeah, it's a third tier toilet, which is anywhere outside of the toilet. Ouch. Great, great. And that's kind of the elitism that was part of the top 14 culture.
00:18:59
Speaker
My biggest problem with the top 14 thing is that it's never actually 14 schools. And as is the case here, right? So I'm looking at US News and World Report. So number one is Stanford University, right? This is the new 2023 ranking.
00:19:16
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Nominally, number two, but also number one is Yale University. Okay, numbers, the ranking is supposed to have a meaning. How can they also be number one? They're tied for number one? They didn't say it was a tie? Yeah, but what does that mean? Does it say it's a tie? Yeah, it's a tie. Because it's like this score and it's like, yeah, exactly. Well, they've had ties for so long.
00:19:38
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It's just like it's insane and what it winds up happening is the top 14 for a long time wasn't 14 It was 15 because they kept Cornell and Northwestern would be tied for 14 Yeah, so it would be 15 total schools in the t14 or Texas Texas started getting there too Yeah, I don't know have you guys looked at this list so that if I was to quiz you on what number three is it wouldn't be fair because you would know what it is and
00:20:04
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Oh, I know how I know what it is. Do you? It's unfair. I know what it is pulled up in front of me right now. Oh, OK. OK. Would you have guessed that? Yeah. Yeah. Would you have guessed Chicago as number three? It would have been in my top five guesses or no. I mean, if you if you told me you were asking me what number three is. Yeah. Yeah, I would have guessed that in like two or three. I want to say really because it's always been top six for a long time. Yeah, I just don't see it cracking the top five, like the top
00:20:33
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I guess three or four. You know what I mean? Like, I, I agree. Like Duke, uh, I do. I guess Duke in there. Duke is the shocker there. Really? To me. Yeah. Cause Duke's been like, like eight or nine. I want to say, okay. Well, they're tied to the Harvard now. So yeah. Yeah. That's gotta be, that's gotta be. I mean, that's pretty good for the brochures for Duke, right? I mean, we're tied. Yeah. That's awesome for Duke. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:00
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Oh my gosh. Well, the problem, of course, is that it appears Duke's tuition is about $1,000 more per year than Harvard's. So I guess they've been extracting a decent amount of money from people for a while. Is Columbia still the most expensive to go to?
00:21:17
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The least or the most? Most. Columbia? I think Columbia is like 78. It looks to be, to my eye, yes, it is the most expensive to go to. Columbia is insanely expensive. Harvard, though, I think has like a
00:21:32
Speaker
has like a public endowment. Yes, certainly. But they have a scholarship kind of fund where basically you don't pay if you make less than like a hundred grand a year or something like that. I think it's a couple of schools like that, yeah.
00:21:51
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Yeah, I think Harvard is one of them. So really like tuition is fake unless you've got money. But obviously you got to pay to live in Boston or not in Boston, but nearby. Right. Yeah. And then NYU has overtaken Columbia. NYU is number five.
00:22:09
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to Columbia's number eight, even they're right next to each other. And that happens because there's so many ties. Yeah. Columbia's eight. Oh, that sucks for Columbia. Yeah. Followed by UVA, which is, I'm sorry, not followed by because it's also tied for number eight, which, yeah. Okay. I don't know how, how did they know what order to put them in in the list then? I don't understand. What do you, what are you ordering them by? Is it North West? Columbia University of Virginia. Let me see. Does that hold up?
00:22:38
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Yeah, maybe. All right. So see, you went to a better school. It's boring. The most boring answer. Yeah. Yeah. But the yeah, somebody pointed out the so.
00:22:49
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We should mention, the reason why we're talking about this year is that, or the reason why I think it made a bigger splash this year is because this is the first year that a bunch of schools stopped cooperating. And also, they changed their methodology. So they decreased the importance of the LSAT, of peer reviews, and increased the importance of employment. And a few other, like they rejigured the formula entirely.
00:23:18
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And then had to quibble with that a little bit because employment, I'm going to get this backwards, but the basic thrust is this at either initially or now they were either considering or not considering employment by the school itself. Yeah. Right. So, so hiring your own graduates to bolster your employment. My understanding is that previously they did not count that as employment or they weighed that very low, very low in terms of being, it's not quite like you're fully employed, right?
00:23:46
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And some schools were upset about that for obvious reasons because the whole reason that they're employing these people is to bolster their employment numbers and then you're not playing games, playing ball. And so I believe now they have changed that. And so yeah, apparently in the top 14, there wasn't a lot of change. But the reason why I brought this up was Drexel University, Thomas Klein School of Law saw the largest single increase
00:24:10
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40 spots to number 89. It went from 129 to 89, which is significant. There you go. The strength of finding out that I'd be an adjunct for one class and fall word got out and there you go.
00:24:24
Speaker
Now you could be the world's greatest professor and you could only impact like 8% of their rating because that's how much a peer review counts. Maybe there's something about like citations in journals or something, but I think that's like a separate ranking.
00:24:42
Speaker
I don't have any of those. I don't know. Let me tell you, my law school has really, really slipped on these rankings over the last few years. Holy smokes. I guess it's been like 15 years since I've been in law school, but holy smokes. Yeah. That's the thing. Give me the number. Give me the number. For like four years or something, your law school doesn't matter at all. Right. No. It matters for your first job, basically. Right. And then after that, everybody knows who you are.
00:25:12
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and they've probably figured out if you're a big dumb dummy or if you're a smarty pants.
00:25:19
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Um, right. So my, my school has significantly slipped as well. I'd be interested to see if, if I, I want to bet that mine is the, I mean, for sure. Jake is out of this competition. You, you went to a good school. It remains a good school. You got to go sit somewhere. You know, you're up in your ivory tower. You're not a part of this company. Excuse yourself. My, my, my garland covered tower. Yes, exactly. It's between me and Jason here for worst law school. And I think I can win for yours. I'll give you mine.
00:25:49
Speaker
I don't, I don't have my 2023 one. Hang on 2023. Any, any rank I'll give you. Okay. So I went to RUT for, for JD, I went for directors university school of law at the time it w when I first went in, there was two of them. There was one school of law Camden and there was one school of law Newark. While I was there, they merged and that was on the promise of, um, it was going to fly up through the rankings once they merged. Cause it would be a huge, you know, major metropolitan school and it immediately plummeted. Uh, I am ranked number one Oh nine.
00:26:20
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Oh yeah, I'm just a little bit better than you. I'm numbered 99 this year. Nice. Congratulations. I am, by one more metric, the least qualified member of this podcast. I am the mediumest member of this podcast. Good for me.
00:26:36
Speaker
You should put on your resume top 100 or top 99. Yeah, sure. Well, back then it used to be like, uh, in 2007 or eight, whenever I started, it was, I think they were ranked like number 68 or something like that. Not that that's like anything to shake a stick at. Cause who cares? But it's not some hoity toity number 16 Vanderbilt. Jeez Louise. Who went there? You're number six.
00:27:03
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Nearly C14, you're T20. Yeah, we've been hovering in the 16 to 19 range since I applied.
00:27:13
Speaker
So, we just spent 27 minutes talking about a subject that none of us actually cares about. Nobody else. We don't care about it. I don't want anyone to possibly care about it.
E. Jean Carroll vs Trump Case Discussion
00:27:23
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This podcast is not meant to be purposeful or good in any way. Quality is purely by accident. You listen at your own risk.
00:27:35
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. So we can move on. So, uh, what, what, what do you, you got something you want to talk about, Jason? We have a lot of mini topics here. It seemed like maybe you had an idea. No. Okay. None of us want to talk about anything. I want to talk about what's in the document here. And it looks to me, uh, like we've got a topic here that I'm actually a little bit interested in, uh, where the Eugene Carroll verdicts came out against a dear leader, uh, Donald Trump, former dear leader, Donald Trump.
00:28:04
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And it turns out that the Donald owes this woman $5 million basically a little bit for non-rape sexual assault and then a whole lot of defamation. This is like you very rarely get big defamation of character verdicts, especially for a person that not a lot of people have heard of.
00:28:33
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I don't know who this woman is aside from the fact that she was sexually assaulted by a guy who went on to become president. And so I guess good on those plaintiffs lawyers for doing a good job for their client there. Do you think she ever sees that money? How much of Donald Trump
00:28:59
Speaker
is collectible, do you think? One of the weirdest things about his existence is what exactly does he own? What cash can he put his hands on? Because the thing is so much of his wealth is spending investors' money, other people's money. It's the weird thing about
00:29:21
Speaker
like about being rich is that eventually you're like spending money from sources that aren't your own, like constantly. And it's hard to tell what you own.
00:29:33
Speaker
Yeah, that's a facet of being rich. That's also specifically a facet of his particular version of rich in that he is mostly a brand. I mean, like most of the buildings and most of the things he does, he doesn't own, someone else owns. He's just the name on it for, you know, for in large part or with a lot of them. So yeah, I think there's two tiers of the question there, right?
00:29:52
Speaker
in terms of how much of that does she ever see? How much of that does he ever pay? And then how much of that does she actually get? I'd be willing to bet that if he paid, she'd get it. It wouldn't go to attorney's fees and stuff. You don't want to be in her next column where she's talking about the attorney that took every penny that she collected on this, right? Yeah, I think more of the question is how the collection goes.
00:30:19
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to me. Right. Because the attorneys are going to get the attorneys get a good chunk, I'm sure. But right. I'm willing to look like.
00:30:27
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I'm willing to bet that, hmm, am I willing to bet? Yeah, I think I'm willing to bet that Trump will write a check for this and will not resist the collection efforts because when people start, when these lawyers for Gene Carroll start sending out the preceding supplemental interrogatories and requests for document production that says, hey, list all your bank accounts, list all of the assets that you own. Tell me what your income is.
00:30:54
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the Donald's not going to want to answer those questions, right? So this is getting into what happens after you get a judgment and a lawsuit and somebody's there, you kind of reach a crossroads there where either the defendant who lost the lawsuit to you and you have a judgment for the money, they can either voluntarily pay it and cooperate like the law says that they're supposed to, or there are these mechanisms. And in the States that I primarily practice in, they're called proceeding supplemental. They might be called different things elsewhere. What are they called in Florida, Jake?
00:31:24
Speaker
Oh, that's a great question. I have no idea. I've never had to collect the judgment before. I actually just recently had to start proceeding supplemental in a federal judgment recently for the first time in 14 years, 13 years that I've been practicing.
00:31:42
Speaker
I probably ought to know how long I've been practicing long. You send out these interrogatories that are asking, identify all of your assets. Tell us the financial institutions where you have bank accounts. List the accounts that you have there. Give me your account numbers. Tell me what your last balance was. When was the last time you made a transfer? Where did you make that transfer to? Where did it come from? You could ask all these questions.
00:32:08
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think that Donald Trump is going to want to answer those interrogatories, uh, and, uh, those requests for production to turn over these documents because so far as I know, there's no automatic reason why, uh, you know, aside from account numbers, which probably aren't, aren't good for anybody to share. If somebody wanted to find out where Donald Trump's money was,
00:32:33
Speaker
And these lawyers wanted to say, well, we did post judgment discovery on that. And we found out that all of his money was at Deutsche bank. Uh, and this bank came in islands. Yeah, it is a good guess. Uh, we kind of already know a bunch about that, but like, he doesn't want people sniffing around. And then like, God forbid, uh, somebody garnish that money, uh, where like the court has the power to order the bank that's holding the money.
00:33:02
Speaker
to pay that money over to the holder of the judgment. And it it's not so far fetched for some collection firm to say, hey, Gene Carroll, you got a judgment for five million dollars. You're going to spend a lot of time and effort chasing that down. We'll pay three million for it because we want the answers to those interrogatories and requests for production. We want to know where Donald Trump's money is and where it's going and what it's doing.
00:33:31
Speaker
Uh, and so I think she gets paid. Um, if she doesn't get, I think she gets paid all of it. And I think it's probably in Donald Trump's best interest to just voluntarily pay it over to her. Uh, first is a showing of like, uh, you know, there's been a lot of perceived insecurity about whether people actually believe that he's wealthy. And so if he can just write the check for it and say it's the judgment is paid, then
00:33:59
Speaker
He gets to gloat about it on truth social. And who knows? Maybe he can raise money on the strength check. Yeah. He can, he can raise money. Oh yeah. That'll be a great fundraiser when I need money to pay for the, yeah.
00:34:13
Speaker
So his lawyers filed a notice of appeal in the Second Circuit Court of Appeals today. So I'm with you, Jason. I think ultimately he quietly pays. I think he'll fight for a little while because he can raise money on fighting for a little while, right? He'll send out stuff to his donors saying, like, look, we have to go to court. We have to, you know, appeal this. This is a political hit job, whatever he's going to say. And then at some point when it doesn't really have any more cachet for political purposes, he'll just quietly cut her a check and the whole thing will go away and that'll be it.
00:34:41
Speaker
I agree with you. I think he can make more than the amount he will spend paying her on the story and on using this as a stump thing. Yeah. The other part of that is, I mean, I'm not too surprised. I'm not even a little bit surprised by the fact that they appealed it because appealing that is such a low effort thing. Filing a notice of appeal is like some fresh out of law school
00:35:07
Speaker
a person who did a summer internship at a court of appeals, they can write off a notice of appeal in 25 minutes and they can bill Donald Trump $8,000 for it. That's such a low effort play that they probably would do automatically for no other reason than to negotiate down the total payment on the judgment.
00:35:30
Speaker
Oh, okay. This has happened in cases where I've never had a verdict big enough that anybody cared to do this particular maneuver, but an old partner of mine did. They just automatically take an appeal off of a good bell ringing judgment because they feel like it gives them some- It gives them something to do.
00:35:54
Speaker
Well, it gives them something to argue with and it gives them some like, you know, arm twisting where they can say, yeah, but we've got this argument on appeal and you should settle for less. Like, okay, fine. Yeah. We've, we've done that or we've had that done to us regularly. So, um, I'm not putting a lot of stock in the fact that they filed a notice of appeal. If they, if they put forward like,
00:36:18
Speaker
If they actually go forward with briefing in the appeal and they put forward some good faith and persuasive arguments, that's the thing that will really surprise me because I just don't see that happening.
00:36:32
Speaker
All right. I'll take that. I agree with you. Uh, we can move from one, uh, idiot billionaire to another. Uh, I think another topic we wanted to talk about was Twitter. Um, this is a little bit of old news. So we should say we, yeah, we began last week. Yeah. And first of all, it's repeat news and it's old news, but, um, did you guys see that Elon Musk threatened to reassign NPR on Twitter to
Twitter Handle Controversy
00:36:51
Speaker
another company? I mean, this was just like one piece of a much larger posturing thing he's been doing. Yeah. That's real. Like, uh,
00:37:01
Speaker
I think that would be too far. I know he threatened it in an email to an NPR reporter. When NPR was having stopped doing posting on Twitter, he was like, why shouldn't I move? I think it's time to move NPR into somebody that will actively use it or something like that, which has
00:37:23
Speaker
Like the, you know, section two 30 has the, uh, we've talked about section two 30 immunity before. That's a good way to lose your section two 30 immunity to be like, I'm going to violate, I'm going to enable somebody to violate your trademark. That's what I'm going to do because I'm sort of willfully and in retaliation for your, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Your decision not to use the service.
00:37:45
Speaker
Yeah, it's crazy, and obviously he's crazy. But some of the takes I saw on it, somebody was saying, somebody quoted, I don't know if it was the NPR story itself, but one of these outlets quoted Twitter's terms of service and made really kind of a good faith argument saying that inactivity, actually, well, actually, and they pushed their glasses up their nose. Inactivity is defined in Twitter's terms of service by logging in, not by tweeting. So we have been active.
00:38:11
Speaker
And it strikes me, and this is a common thing to both Trump and to Musk, is that the people that are in some sort of contention with them continue to argue as though they are on this planet and they are arguing with you on the same basis of facts and reality and everything else, as though he's gonna look at the terms of service and he's gonna say, yeah, you know, that's a fair point. I went too far with that. I shouldn't have threatened to take away NPR. You have been logging in. My apologies.
00:38:39
Speaker
Did you see that they changed the inactivity stuff like today? So like two news items dropped today. One of them being that they're going to start deactivating people's Twitters if they don't log in every 30 days. So like any 30 day span where you don't log in, your Twitter is going to go away, which seems very, I don't know why I have no idea what the logic is there.
00:39:05
Speaker
Somebody please explain the logic there. Yeah, sure. It's cost savings to maintain those old Twitter accounts, I guess, that people still use. How expensive was the two-factor thing, the first thing you did? How expensive could that have possibly been in the grand scheme of things? And it's the same thing here. It reminds me of, I don't know if this may be a metaphor that doesn't, it was just my father. But your dad is cleaning out the garage.
00:39:31
Speaker
And he has found some of your stuff and he's like, you want this or should I throw it out? All right. He has decided that this is the moment he's taking on this project and now it's your problem and you need to figure out what you're going to do with it. He's in the KonMari method on Twitter right now. Yeah, exactly. He has a project for Elon Musk. Exactly. Not at all.
00:39:51
Speaker
no one else has engaged in this project. He is engaged in it. He thinks there's some utility to it. And now everyone's going to dance to this tune. But yeah, to your point, I did see the thing about the 30 days in activity. I don't know what that
00:40:06
Speaker
I don't really see the resource savings there. I mean, opening up old handles, I guess. Does he think that there's a lot of people who would join Twitter, but they keep trying to sign up? Like I go, I try to sign up. I try to get at Andrew. I can't. I'm dejected and I don't go back. And so if you could open that up, you would have one more active user.
00:40:25
Speaker
It's funny because I feel like it's so, the reason why Facebook and Twitter don't do that is because they want to keep your Twitter account around as long as possible. They want to let you be able to come back. They don't want to be like, use it or lose it, bud. Because they're like, you'll always be, you know, we always will welcome you back. So are they just going to deactivate them and allow people to come back and reclaim it? Because then it wouldn't, it wouldn't be a big deal.
00:40:52
Speaker
I, and it seems like it would be a lot more hassle than just letting them stay up, but I don't know. Name camping is an annoying thing that happens in places. Like if you listen to basically any tech podcaster, they'll say that.
00:41:07
Speaker
whenever a new service crops up, they just pop on there. They don't intend to use it, but they came to their name just in case they sometimes there's the guy from accidental tech podcast. John Syracuse is like very explicit about doing this all the time. I don't know if I'm ever going to use it, but I got on there to sign up. And so that I have my at Syracuse name, like, uh, that's a obnoxious, but it's not unreasonable. And like, it's not unreasonable for NPR to just sit there and camp NPR because like,
00:41:36
Speaker
I'm sure Nathan Patrick, you know, Rothschild is super interested in the NPR, uh, in the NPR. I don't know if that's a real person. It probably is. Sorry, Nathan. Uh, but, uh, he's roughly, he's like, Oh, how did I know? Yeah. Right. Uh, but like, ultimately you're right. Like, is that stopping them from using the service? Are they suddenly going to start using it because add NPR becomes available? Like, no, obviously it's punitive.
00:42:06
Speaker
Uh, and, uh, you know, it's like, okay. So, uh, NPR loses their at NPR handle on Twitter. Does that mean they can never come back? Like, is that avenue forever closed? Like, no, they'll come back. Even if the username that they have to have is national public radio one, two, three, nine, four, like fine, right? People will still follow it because it'll gain the momentum it needs.
00:42:31
Speaker
But an interesting question there, and so I brought up the Help Center. I'll read a couple things from it. But an interesting question there is I assume NPR didn't sign up for Twitter and get NPR initially. I would bet somebody else had it first. And when they joined Twitter, they showed Twitter at that point, Jack Dorsey, that they had the trademark.
00:42:50
Speaker
Jack Dorsey allowed them to take over that account. Like I'm guessing that, you know, at Apple, I don't think Apple got that by jumping on Twitter before some idiot who thought it'd be funny to get at Apple got it. I think they got it because they had the trademark. So I don't see how that wouldn't just happen again. Right. So it would go in active. Neil Patrick Rothschild or whatever you said, we'll take it over. NPR shows up and just does the same thing they did when they first got NPR. But so really quickly, if they have a CEO that's like not like being mad at NPR,
00:43:20
Speaker
Yeah. So in the Help Center, how does Twitter determine inactivity? Inactivity is based on logging in. Please note that you may not be able to tell whether an account is currently inactive, as not all signs of account activity are publicly visible. I don't know what that means, but okay. Next question. What if a potentially inactive account is using my registered trademark as its username or account name?
00:43:38
Speaker
If you believe your trademark rights are being infringed and the account seems inactive, please see Twitter's trademark policy for additional information. That's interesting. So if there's an inactive account and you hold the trademark for that name and you want it, it seems you can contact Twitter and attempt to get it. But presumably you can't if that is an active account.
00:43:58
Speaker
So if somebody took over Apple and used the Apple account and was not inactive, Apple wouldn't be able to reclaim. I mean, again, I'm doing the same thing. That seems wrong. Accuse people. Yeah. That seems like Apple seriously.
00:44:12
Speaker
That's that's for if you don't have a clear case of like trademark infringement or something like that. So I guess there are there are other Apple companies that are not named that are not Apple. Like the Beatles label. Yeah. I mean, Apple is generic. So Apple is an apple. It's a fruit. Yeah. An orchard company could could want an apple. Right. Yeah, exactly.
00:44:38
Speaker
Uh, Apple is like a, I think there was an education company called Apple something. Um, sounds right. So anyway, the ongoing sales education companies of Twitter dying. Yeah. But the only other thing I want to say quickly was that, uh, tech dirt, um, which is a super cool, uh, news website, it's been around forever. They've been on Twitter forever. Um, they announced also maybe 10 days ago or so now that, uh, they're ending their automated posting. A lot of this is sort of.
00:45:05
Speaker
I won't say required, but with the API changes for Twitter, you have to pay for WordPress.com. If you have a blog on there, that's no longer going to be automatically... You're not going to be able to just pick a box and have it so that whenever you post a new blog post, it automatically goes on Twitter because WordPress needed to pay to have that API access and it's some exorbitant amount. And so you're starting to see slowly a lot of these platforms not fully pull off of Twitter, but just
00:45:32
Speaker
making use of it less. And it seems to me, if Twitter is going to die, that's how it's going to go. We're not going to see, you know, everybody just go out. It's going to just sort of slowly dwindle till there's nothing but bots and, you know,
Twitter's Decline and TechDirt's Departure
00:45:43
Speaker
spammers. Yeah. TechDirt also just came out with an interesting like phone game or like a browser game called like moderator mayhem.
00:45:53
Speaker
where the idea is you're a moderator on a website and you're supposed to make decisions on whether to take down or keep up posts based on certain information. And it's interesting because it'll have a tweet directed at an actor saying, I'll kill you when I see you next.
00:46:16
Speaker
uh and it's like do you take this down for a threat and it's like and it's like yes it's a threat but it's also a line from one of his movies uh and so everybody hates you now and so uh it's kind of a uh a explore exploration of like the kind of issues that go into moderation and how it's difficult to
00:46:39
Speaker
and draw those lines. So check that out if you're interested. That does not sound like an engaging phone game. No, it sounds stressful. A quick interesting thing, I think I said a while ago, I had the tweet, the Twitter handle, at Andrew with no E for a long time. And some little dweeb in Illinois wanted it. And so he did a SIM card swap on my phone in order to get access to the code. What? Yeah, so he did the whole thing. I woke up in the middle of the night. The whole thing was going on.
00:47:07
Speaker
And I discussed. So what he did was he switched the account to he like relinquished Andrew on my account and then scapped it up on his account. And then in order to make it so that I couldn't undo it, he needed to get my original account now named some random thing suspended. And so I was able to see what these people do when they want to get you suspended. And so what he did was he tweeted at American Airlines just the word bomb and the emoji of a bomb.
00:47:35
Speaker
And that apparently is enough for an immediate suspension, which at the time was alarming for me because obviously the downside to me and my name and everything, but nothing more happened. That was it. It just suspended my account. But anyway, little moderator information. And you've never been able to fly American Airlines ever since.
00:47:52
Speaker
No, no, no. They dragged me in the back and beat me and make me leave the airport. And that's it. I never get on the plane. Okay, so other stories.
Law Firm Departure Challenges
00:48:01
Speaker
We have 100 plus Louis Brisbois lawyers exit for a new employment firm. That was an interesting story. At least it was interesting two weeks ago when we decided we were going to talk about it. It's still interesting. Well, I mean, it is. It's not really the fact that this happened.
00:48:20
Speaker
And not the fact that it's happened because that was a week and a half ago, but it was like the mechanics of having 100 attorneys leave a law firm all at once are like, it stresses me out just to think about how much is involved with that. Being a single attorney that just had to leave a law firm
00:48:43
Speaker
And how many letters need to be signed, you know, how many letters and like agreements had to be signed just to deal with that? Like, man, it's hard for me to even imagine being able to do that. Yeah, I might have more knowledge about that, though.
00:49:00
Speaker
No, I don't. I mean, I can't imagine organizing. I think I made the joke on our Slack channel. I said, like, I've been on a couple of emails where there's like five people trying to organize lunch and it has, you know, the lunch date comes and goes and you don't get to go to lunch because people can't get on the same page. So I can't imagine a hundred attorneys working this out. I can't imagine them keeping it under wraps more or less. I guess. I mean, at that point, maybe that it wasn't under apps and the firm knew and what are you going to do?
00:49:27
Speaker
I don't imagine that it was under wraps for quite some time. So here's the thing about why, how I think that they managed to herd all this together. You think a hundred lawyers, that's a hundred people acting independently, right? Probably not. So this article from Bloomberg Law says that Barbara Ranen, which awesome name by the way, Barbara Ranen and six other California based equity partners informed Louis Bourgeois leadership of their plans to launch a spinoff firm on April 27th.
00:49:57
Speaker
So that's what happened is Barbara Renan and these six other equity partners were the ones who were actually running the show. And far be it for me to comment about how big law law firms work, but my suspicion is that each of these seven equity partners
00:50:24
Speaker
had a stable of non-equity partners who did work directly reporting to them. And then they had a stable of associates who did work reporting directly to them. And that's what actually happened here is these seven equity partners branched off. And the train that followed them was 102, 100 lawyers, something like that. And so it wasn't actually, they weren't marshaling 100 and however many individuals
00:50:52
Speaker
They were marshaling these seven equity partners and their entourages that came with them. So that's how the cats get hurt in this situation. It's like cleaving off a practice group, basically, right? Like it's just, it's one clean up. Yeah. And yes, from an individual, from an organizational standpoint, I get that being
00:51:09
Speaker
much more efficient but to Jake's point from like a an actual the paperwork and HR stay that doesn't help them at all you know I mean they're like oh cool it's all one practice group that that's great that's one field in all these forms that I don't have to change every time but other than that it's it's just yeah it must be a nightmare for that firm and I mean
00:51:30
Speaker
I imagine all the news stories I read said that there wouldn't be any, there would be like no loss of income or standing for Louis Brisbois, which I feel like is like the one comment that whoever- It seems extremely unlikely. It seems extremely unlikely, but it was like the one comment that whatever insider was providing information stressed, like, look, I'll tell you whatever you want, but you gotta say at the end, this is not gonna affect us in the slightest. We're gonna do just fine. It's hard to imagine you lose that many attorneys and you'd have no issues.
00:51:58
Speaker
I mean, it could be that they were already operating functionally separately and it was just like a brand. And they just were like, yeah, we're cutting off. We're not going to be part of your equity. We're going to keep operating the way we've been operating, but not under your banner. I mean, here's hoping for the sake of their human resources department that they had invested heavily in
00:52:22
Speaker
AI and document automation so that they could just plop in these hundred and whatever different names and probably what happened. You just need word macros for that. You just need to mail merge. You need to be good at mail merging. I assume what happened is that some HR consulting group got called in and parachuted in 25 people to handle all the paperwork and they'll be gone by mid May.
00:52:49
Speaker
And then the small follow-up to that was just that one of the founders, the Louis of Louis Brizbois, then stepped down shortly after, which I guess is just, you know, it's the blood sacrifice you need after something like that happens. I guess, right? Like this happened to your watch. Is he going to retire? It seems they have to change their name to Brizbois. Are they just going to be Brizbois now?
00:53:12
Speaker
No, I mean, I think they're going to keep it. No, I think you got to keep it. Yeah. Well, that's, you don't want to change. You don't want to change all the stationary name. That's the thing. You have to give up the name if the partner doesn't retire entirely. My, my old law firm, uh, before I went out on my own, it had the names of two partners who had been dead since before I started law school. And so like, that's, that's unusual to me.
00:53:41
Speaker
No, that's the thing. You can die or you can retire, but you can't move firms and keep that same lawyer on the name. So like if I was a part of a law firm that had my name Schumer on it, I could retire and they could stay Schumer forever. I could die. They could stay Schumer forever, but I can't go to another firm and have them. Well, that gets to one of my favorite topics. You wouldn't like that.
00:54:08
Speaker
Yeah, that gets to know one of my favorite topics, the right of publicity. That's fantastic. Yeah. They'd be stealing my publicity. Did you guys at some point read in, in like a professional responsibility that the case involving the woman who started a firm and called it like Washington Lincoln and Roosevelt or something. And her name was like Johnson.
00:54:26
Speaker
She just started a firm, it was only her, and chose what she viewed as the most prestigious names she could think of as the partner names. It's a great decision where they're just saying, we like it, we like your ingenuity, but unfortunately, you can't do this. It has to be named, actually, people who are there, not fanciful, great jurists from history.
00:54:50
Speaker
All right. So did she have more than one attorney at her firm? No, that's my question. And I think that might've been the main problem. Yeah. If it's just, that's the thing. If you call yourself, there's a, I think that was the case in Florida about how you can't call yourself like a log group or something like, or partners or something like that. If you're just one person.
00:55:13
Speaker
Uh, I might, or it might be that you can, I can't remember, but you definitely can't have three names. Yeah. Three names that are none of the, none of which are yours. That's, that's a, that's a little bit of a problem. Um, so yeah, the only, the only other story, uh, we really had that we were going to cover last week, I think is the Ed Sheeran didn't copy Marvin Gaye's 1973 classic.
Ed Sheeran's Legal Victory and Artistic Freedom
00:55:33
Speaker
Uh, let's get it on. Yay. Yeah. Ed Sheeran, I guess. Right. I read the article.
00:55:43
Speaker
He suggested that music would die if he lost. Yeah. Okay. So I don't want music to die. That's good. Yeah. It's rarely the actual artist that actually sues over these things. It's like the family or something like that. Because I think artists know that if you're talking about like a chord progression like this, so many people constantly like chord progressions just happen and some sound better than others. Yeah.
00:56:13
Speaker
I think I might've mentioned this at some other point, but like the strokes last night is very similar, opens very similarly to a Tom Petty song and Tom Petty knew. And Tom Petty was just like, yeah, that's cool, man. We all did it. I copied it from someone else. Or I took inspiration from somewhere else. So I'm glad Ed Sheeran won this. Seems like a kind of situation where
00:56:41
Speaker
I want more music. I want people to be more free to make that kind of music. Yeah. There's a limited number of permutations that chord progressions can make. Like if you're going to play in a certain key, there are very popular ones. And basically all you do is change how long one chord lasts or how long, you know, you are.
00:57:03
Speaker
which one you go to next, but there's like only a limited variety that you can put in there. And you can change keys and that's kind of just it. And so it's not really surprising that they reached this result. I will admit having listened to this Ed Sheeran song before I ever found out about this lawsuit, I could not help but in my mind sing along, let's get it on to this
00:57:32
Speaker
And it's still like a lovey-dovey song too. It's like, take me into your loving arms. Like, oh, okay. That's pretty close. Yeah. These songs may not be the same. It might not have copyright infringed, but boy, howdy. Do they rhyme? Not in the literal rhyming sense, but in the sense of
00:57:52
Speaker
They're awfully familiar to each other. But I mean, I think this is right. Even if it's nothing other than like Ed Sheeran didn't, my knowledge of copyright law is extremely limited. But the term of art that I remember from copyright class in law school was slavish copying. And this does not strike me as a slavish copy of Let's Get It On.
00:58:22
Speaker
It bears a pretty remarkable similarity to it, but it is not just a straight up copy of Marvin Gaye's song because we know how to copy that because people do it in music all the time. It's like the foundation of 85% of country music. So I'm glad I think this is a great result. I think that this is right and Ed Sheeran shouldn't
00:58:51
Speaker
have to be the poster child for this. Nobody should have to be the poster child for it. But it had to be somebody. And this is when it happened. And I think it's a good result. This is a very specific take. But there are two songs that I always swore sounded very similar. And that's The Offsprings Gone Away and Tears for Fears. What's that song? Everybody Wants to Rule the World.
00:59:21
Speaker
That might've been it. I'm having a hard time imagining an offspring song that sounds like everybody wants to rule the world, but it's possible, I suppose. Sure. How about Ice Baby and Queen and Bowie's Under Pressure? Does that sound familiar at all? Those two? Yeah. Those are like, that is a real problem. Okay. The baseline there. Yeah. That's literally the same.
00:59:49
Speaker
Uh, no, it's the, all of the familiar faces, the, the one that got covered all around me are familiar face. Oh yeah. It's not mad world, isn't it? Mad world. Yeah. Ah, okay. Yeah. Okay.
01:00:05
Speaker
Well, good on Ed Sheeran. Sorry for the estate of Marvin Gaye. Let's get it on. It's still like a top 10 all time boudoir song. Yeah, but Marvin's going to be OK. Ed Sheeran did not. It wasn't Marvin anyway. Ed Sheeran did not slangishly copy it. The heirs to the composer or something. It wasn't even his family. It was the Townsend's who apparently was the composer's granddaughter or something. But unless we have like Sony music or something like that, like let him get crapped on.
01:00:35
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. You know, not not the estate of Marvin Gaye. Poor guy. I want his estate to be happy. Yeah, me as well. All right. Unless we have anything else to talk about concluding thoughts, we can move on to just what's going on. Hey, that's another Marvin Gaye song and recommendations.
Recommendations and AI in Law Analysis
01:00:52
Speaker
Thanks. What you guys got? Oh, uh, Jedi Survivor is very good. Yeah, I like it a lot. I did crash at my computer a few times and that was very annoying.
01:01:05
Speaker
But the performance was okay. That's a very good video game, Metroidvania. Look it up if you're interested in video games that are like Dark Souls, Metroid, etc.
01:01:20
Speaker
But also I wanted to call out my old law school roommate who made SCOTUS RO blog, SCOTUS, that is Supreme Court of the US, RO blog. It is an auto-generated chat GPT blog that writes about Supreme Court decisions, that automatically writes about Supreme Court decisions. And it's very impressive that this guy just did this, and he's an attorney at Vincent Elkins.
01:01:49
Speaker
Uh, he just did this in his spare time apparently. Wow. Uh, nice. And he, he's a, uh, Georgia tech engineer, uh, originally, uh, undergrad. Um, but yeah, I check it out if you're interested, but, uh, it's going to take, it's not going to take SCOTUS blog's job, but it's going to do something. It's interesting. Super cool. Well, but I really want to know what I really want to know is did he use, uh,
01:02:15
Speaker
GitHub's co-pilot in order to code the blog, the row blog. I'm interested to actually, I'm going to write them on there and find out the answer. Well, don't write them. Have GPT write you a letter to ask the question. You know what I mean? Like use GPT to write the thing. Okay. All right. Go ahead. Sorry. Let's get a little bit derivative there. Okay. Both of my recommendations this week are iOS games and they are both hidden behind subscriptions that you might or might not already have.
01:02:44
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So the first one is the weaker of the two but still good. It's Leia's Horizon. This is one of those Netflix games that you have to have a Netflix subscription to play but it's on iOS.
01:03:01
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And it's basically like if you've played Zelda Breath of the Wild and you have done the paraglider in that, this is like a whole game based on the paraglider. But you're basically like skydiving throughout this whole thing and completing obstacles and stuff like that. Really neat art style and just a fun like, you know,
01:03:23
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good idling game that doesn't require a whole lot of time commitment. The next one is a throwback to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles nerddom. There is a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles game that is reminiscent of the old arcade games that you would play at arcades. But it is like cooperative multiplayer enabled and it has kind of a feel like
01:03:45
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Bastion or Hades. It's called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Splintered Fate. It is included in your, yeah, Splintered, get it? Splintered. Yeah, yeah. It is on Apple Arcade, which you get if you subscribe to their, you know,
01:04:06
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Apple one or Apple family or whatever it is. Uh, uh, but it's fun. I played it last night with my 10 and nine year olds and it's just a, you know, a romp and good time. It's not like super great for longevity. It'll get pretty repetitive, but it's a, it's a good little fun, uh, time spender. Uh, and it's great if you want to play it with 10 and nine year old boys sitting on your living room sofa before bedtime.
01:04:31
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preferably that are your children or related to you. Um, my, I think that's, I think that's implied. Yeah. Uh, my suggestion is the same as Jake. I've been playing a Jedi survivor. I probably not as far as he is. I just started at a day or two ago, but yeah, great game. I enjoyed the original. They were, you know, original, the, the first one, whatever it was fallen order, fallen order, fallen order. Yeah. Really good game. This one, I think it's better so far, I would say, and I'm playing it on the X box. So it works well there too.
01:05:00
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As you might expect. Yeah, good game. Love a good Star Wars game. And the other thing is Legend of Zelda, something or others coming out tonight, right? Yeah. Tears of the Kingdom is coming out in like six hours. So by the time you listen to this, it's probably already out. Apparently, it's very good. Don't shut me off. I was going to talk about Zelda all night. We have to know that I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
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I tried to turn the volume down. I accidentally stopped it. All right. Have a good night. Podcasting right here. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh.