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136. I Like Watching You Sleep
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Simon & Adrian review director Curry Barker’s horror flick, Obsession. Plus, Adrian reviews The Devil Wears Prada and The Devil Wears Prada 2. Additionally, the two pals examine the recently revealed details concerning HBO’s Lanterns TV series; while getting excited for Lanterns showrunner Chris Mundy’s passion for this new DC Universe project. In addition, the hosts discuss Jurassic Park screenwriter David Koepp’s upcoming Westworld film adaptation and the new Deathstroke & Bane DC villains film from Moonknight writer Matthew Orton.
This episode was recorded in Canada on May 14th 2026. Episodes air every two weeks on Tuesdays! Catch us on June 2nd for Episode 137.
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Introduction and Episode Overview
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This episode, we review director Curry Barker's horror film, Obsession. Adrian reviews the Devil Wears Prada franchise. And we examine the recently uncovered details about HBO's DC Universe Lanterns TV series. as told by showrunner Chris Mundy, no less. Yes. With new episodes airing every two weeks on Tuesdays, this is Split Focus, a film and TV podcast. I'm Simon Eadie. And I am Adrian Pinter.
00:00:31
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Welcome to episode 136. Welcome episode 136.
Simon Eadie's New Brunswick Adventure
00:00:49
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Oh, oh, oh, oh,
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How was newbie, Simon? You were in newbie? I was. The hit province. I was in newbie. i was It was a work trip. It was a work trip. Yeah. Went to New Brunswick, as I've told you last week, um just in case people don't know what newbie is, you know, because apparently that's not a thing. No. I learned there.
00:01:15
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i I went down the street and i was like pointing at people like Tobey Maguire in Spider-Man 3. I was like, hey, this is newbie. And they're like looking at me like I was crazy. Yeah. And i was like, I guess they don't call that newbie here. I guess. Yeah. I guess it's just a me thing. You're saying shalom to people for whatever reason. Right. he said Randomly, you know. What a great movie.
00:01:36
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Minus the great. It is a movie. Yeah. But yeah, the ah the trip was crazy because it's like, so i I saw the biggest lobster statue, I think, in the world or something like that. It's like one of the lobster capitals of the world in Shediac. Shediac. New Brunswick. Okay.
00:01:50
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which was pretty cool. I got some lo lobster. I had like a lobster but on a bun type situation, but it was a pretty nice restaurant. they They served it with some, some fries and some fresh bread and some salad. It was delicious. It was really cool. So that was really cool. That was a cool experience. Were you with coworkers like going out to restaurants or were you just like by yourself?
00:02:08
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No, I just went for that one night. Um, to the, like, there actually it wasn't even a night. It was during the day. I was like, I have to have lobster before I go. Cause I was asking some of the retail associates that I was kind of working with at the time during the, du I was there for a full week. So during the days I was working with retail associates was building displays and stuff. And I asked them like, where should i go here? I've never been to New Brunswick. Like, what are the sites to see? And they're like, well, there's the giant lobster. I'm like, sign me up. So I drove out and I took a picture of this giant lobster. I almost sent it to you and said, Hey, look, Adrian, ah ah Hey, look, Adrian Akaiju. I almost did that, but then I chickened out. Why would you chicken out? and you think i would knock You think I would judge you? You think I'd be like, why the fuck is this bitch sending me that? Maybe. i don't know. Maybe I ignore
Shawarma Experiences and Critiques
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you. you know I don't know. But regardless of that, I will say at the end of every day, except for that one day, that last day where I got the lobster because I didn't have to work as much that day, every day working there,
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was so exhausting that I literally sent my ah my wife a picture. like it was a it was a GIF of the Avengers at the end of Avengers eating shawarma. I was so exhausted. I would like would go home at 9 p.m. The funniest thing was the like one of the last days I was like so exhausted. was like, what am i goingnna get when am I going to eat? What am I going to eat? and then I sent my wife this picture.
00:03:24
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And I just look over it and then there's Osmos shawarma. So I took a picture of me. He was like, I guess I'm going to do this now after I just sent you this gift. So yeah anyway, hot tap I was really exhausted. It felt like that every time.
00:03:37
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I don't know if this is a hot take, but for me, it's a hot. but Well, I'm going to just say it. Osmos. Not good. Not good shawarma. Yeah. Bottom of the barrel. I would, I literally would never go to Osmos unless I had. It's interesting that you say bottom of the barrel. Yeah. A little bit. Out of the ones that I've had. I know people, I know individuals who like eat shawarma almost every day. Like know a guy who eats it almost every day and he swears by Osmos, which I think is interesting.
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That's amazing. What yeah is is he white? You're just like a basic white bitch. No. No. He's eating it well almost every day. i don't think he's a white. He's white, but it's possible.
00:04:15
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I'm white. I'm white. When I worked at Best Buy back in the day, Best Buy in Guelph, I did eat Osmo's. Sorry, not Osmo's, shawarma almost every day. I literally went to this shawarma shop near the Best Buy. Yeah. And I started dating the girl that worked there because I was there much. I thought that's why you went there so often. Well, no, I just really like shawarma, dude. Because you were trying to date the girl there, you know?
00:04:38
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Hey, man, it was a win-win, you know? yeah Yeah. Wonderful woman. I hope she's doing well. I think she is. I think she just recently got engaged. Okay. That's good for her. That's cool. Wonderful woman. Family. Her family made delicious shawarma. Anyway, his name is Ahmed, okay?
00:04:51
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I should have just said, this guy's name is Ahmed, all right? Ahmed? Okay. Yeah, he's fair enough. He did a lot. He didn't eat every day. But like when I worked with him for while, he would eat it often. And I was like, and I would say, i don't love Osmos because I didn't I didn't love it either. But I osmos was conveniently.
00:05:07
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The funny thing is, is that Osmos had just opened up in New Brunswick, I think, because I worked with this guy. Well, maybe maybe he didn't know. But I worked with this guy from New new Nova Scotia because they like they they drew. He drove in to help me with one of the on one of the days because we're very heavy displays.
00:05:23
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And he was like, oh, man, don't know if you've ever tried this, but it's across the street. Osmos. Osmos is this new place. I'm like, it's not new, dude. I've had Osmos for like years. And I'm also not a fan. And the reason why I'm not as much of fan is because sometimes I get Osmos near me, mind you, maybe just this joint particular place.
00:05:43
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Sometimes the chicken is hard. Like I literally I had the exact same experience. The one in in downtown of Guelph because everyone talks so highly of it. They're like, man, this was is so good. And this was I've already had shawarma prior to this point.
00:05:56
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So I go down there and i get a shawarma wrap and I eat it. And there's like literally in like the first time I go there, there's like gristle on the chicken and it's like hard. And I'm like, oh, man, this this sucked. And then I went to work the next day and the guy's like, dude, you can't get the wrap. You're supposed to get it on the rocks or or on the sticks. I'm like,
00:06:14
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Motherfucker. Like, no. like Like, I want to, like, if I want, like, a proper shawarma, like a proper Lebanese shawarma or Syrian shawarma, which yeah the Syrian shawarma place in Guelph, dude. chef's Chef's kiss. My favorite, my favorite shawarma place these days. You're white. We're both white. I do consider you in some capacity, you know, an expert in some, some small way. But I feel like Ahmed knew what was up.
00:06:36
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yeah well just based on his his his experience and me talking to him i'm not just saying it because he's he's brown well is ahmed like canadian born yeah okay well then now let's get real let's get real but his family i'm pretty sure his family immigrated here okay were were they making him shawarma at home like what do you think i shawarma at home i'm sorry i'm sorry would you not consider yourself some kind of expert on serbian food du don't do don't don't do this to me. oh well yeah but It's because I it's cause i go, like you know I've been to Serbia multiple times. I've eaten Serbian food a lot. My family makes it. I make it.
00:07:13
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Because your family is immigrated here. They're immigrants. yeah That's exactly why. well don't Don't do that. No, I'm going to. I'm going to. My example is perfect, by the way, and you know that. This analogy works. That's a bad example, and you you're full of bad examples is all I'm going to say. No, fair enough. You're bad examples.
00:07:35
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No, fair enough. That is actually a good analogy and I have no rebuttal to it. No, but I do trust your opinion on shawarma. I do. I wasn't just saying that to be flippant. I do believe that you have a good opinion shawarma. When we awarded shawarma, you've come over to play tabletop RPG.
00:07:49
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We're nerds like that. You know, I've asked you your opinion on what to get. I've many times. and Of course. well Of course. know, undoubted. Well, you also have good opinions on food in general because you're a good coach. Thank you, man. I i do agree with that.
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I do agree with that. I do love my food and I do like you trying to, and I tried to agree that you're, ah yeah you're so humble. I am. I'm incredibly humble.
00:08:14
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I'm so humble. And only everyone was so modest like you, you know? Yeah, dude, the world would be a better place. um And but no, I love trying different foods and from different cultures and stuff. So I'm not like your basic white boy just eating right burger and cheese. No toppings. You know, i who does this? It would be with ketchup at the very least. No, dude, white boy. No, dude. The movie last night, one of our friends, he literally gets his like he orders a McDonald's burger, burger and cheese, nothing else. Burger cheese bun.
00:08:44
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That's just that's just this person. Yeah, well, that's just an odd choice. And what catch What what race is the white boy thing? He's white. You know, I'm saying that's basic white. Then there's then there's degrees of white. All right.
00:08:59
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getting like further from basic white, you know? All white, Adrian, all white. Oh, that was good. That a pun, dude. I like that. That was clever.
Adrian's Review of The Devil Wears Prada Series
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Should we move on to what we've been watching this week? Sure thing. Are we ready?
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Speaking of white people, Simon, I'll dive right into what we've been watching. I watched The Devil Wears Prada. One and two, back to back. So um the first Devil Wears Prada movie came out 2006. It's, you know, it stars Anne Hathaway, Meryl Streep, um Emily Blunt. Stanley Tucci. Stanley Tucci. The Tucci.
00:09:34
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The Tucci. The Tuccier. That's what I call him. Adrian Grenier. And it's – it's a like it's it's It's good. i actually really liked it, honestly. Again, I'm not the target demographic for this. you know It is a comedy, so obviously there's there's you know things there for me.
00:09:56
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But it is about the fashion industry and stuff like that. and you know i'm I'm not super into the fashion industry. I don't know much about it. and What this movie just, again, like kind of captures very well is like – This don't know, this like mid 2000s charm that is kind of, you know, like missing in in a lot of ah movies these days. This this this hopefulness in a way, not really hopefulness, but um I just think honestly, it's it's a really fun time. So it's Andy Sachs played by Anne Hathaway, who oh my goodness, Anne Hathaway.
00:10:31
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Absolutely gorgeous. Even now she hasn't, he's she's 20 years later in, in devil wears product too. It's like, she's barely aged. Oh my goodness. um And she's like this, you know, journal, like she wants to be like a journalist writer and, um you know, ends up working as a, essentially like a secretary at this big fashion magazine that's run by Meryl Streep and Meryl Streep. She's a mean lady, Miranda Priestly. And she's just like,
00:11:02
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expectations through the roof, just rude to everyone. And she kind of sucks as a character in a winter, to right? I actually did not know this. Is that? I'm fairly certain. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah.
00:11:12
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I had no idea. Okay. Yeah. like the Isn't Anna Wintour is like the, the Met Gala lady as well. Like, isn't that the, where that's based in a window?
00:11:23
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Well, hey, I just, I led this, I just started this conversation saying I don't know much about the fashion industry. That's like the one thing is like the idea was that the movie is based ah around.
00:11:34
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Okay. I thought, I thought so. me I'm going to look it up while you talk, but okay i haven't watched Devil's Worst Product since 2002.
00:11:41
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It came out in 2006. So that's crazy that you watched it for years. No, no, I watched when it came out in 2006. And so, you know, Andy's like working under Meryl sh Streep. Emily Blunt's there. She's, ah you know, the the number one secretary. And honestly, Emily Blunt's character adds the most to the comedy, I would say, throughout this movie. um And you got Stanley the Tuch-Tuchy there being kind of the the right-hand man, for lack of a better term for Miranda Priestly. And you know It's just about about a story about this woman trying to you know make a name for herself in this industry and you know just excel over you know people's expectations of her.
00:12:24
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And again, it it makes for a lot of like comedic moments and some heartfelt moments. I really love Anne Hathaway and Stanley Tucci's chemistry on screen in both this one and in the sequel. Like this is palpable friendship.
00:12:38
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The one thing I do want to point out about the first Double Wears Prada movie, which is absurd. And again, this is like my my misunderstanding of, I guess, the fashion industry. They literally call Anne Hathaway fat in this movie like a multiple times. That's like a running joke.
00:12:55
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what excuse me these expectations are unbelievable for women what what is going on you know i can't believe it i think it's like because of like it's the the fashion industry so it's the model world like you have to be so thin in some in very in many circles yeah to like actually display the the crazy like and like fashion design fashion art clothes um But yeah, so that's like kind of a running joke. And and I don't know me you just watching it being like excuse me, gosh, darn it. Like, I don't I don't see it. And they like call her like a size six and like a size six is like the new 20 or whatever.
00:13:32
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Like, oh, man, expectations through the roof. Unbelievable. But um yeah, all in all, like the movie is is really nice. And it's interesting because, you know, the way it wraps up, it's a very satisfying conclusion that honestly does not beg for sequel at all. And it's cool that, you know, in The Devil Wears Prada 2, it is a like a legacy sequel. It's 20 years later. You know, it's like time has passed and these characters are now at totally different places. The one like right call I kind of want to make that they did in the sequel is to not bring back Adrian Grenier's character.
00:14:06
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Thank you. who plays like Anne Hathaway's boyfriend in the first movie, he kind of sucks. Like, he's kind of like, why are you falling your dreams? Pay more attention to me. Like throughout the movie, I'm like, brother, she's trying to like make a name for herself and like ideally have enough money to support both of you in fricking New York City.
00:14:26
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You know? Feminism. Adrian. I guess so. am i Am I a feminist? I guess so, Simon. I guess so, because I believe in equal rights, dude. I meant Adrian Grenier. Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:36
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Oh, no, he's not a feminist. Yeah. No, I'm saying. ah Yeah. Oh, he should learn feminism. Yeah. Okay. I follow you. And then. Really? Yeah.
00:14:48
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yeah Sorry. fell on deaf ears. I'm sorry. Yeah. It went right over my head, dude.
00:14:53
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And then he goes on to make Entourage. which I watched all seasons of. And that is a very misogynistic show. So what you did not know was also based on that true Mark Wahlberg. Mark Wahlberg. That's the crazy one. Cause you watched almost all that show.
00:15:10
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I did watch all that show. I just didn't watch things you know that the whole time, which I think is remarkable. Yeah. No idea. anyway um'm And I think what they do in the the sequel, I went watch this with my wife, my sister and ah my wife and eyes, like ah both our mothers.
00:15:27
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yeah And it was ah like, it's fun. I actually really liked the sequel. It does a lot of cool things. And again, it like takes place 20 years later in Hathaway, like Andy, she goes back into Miranda Priestly's office. She gets hired as like a, essentially a PR person for the, for the, um the magazine that they work at. But the magazine is now evolved into being like an online platform and app because they're getting a lot of bad press.
00:15:53
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So someone, you know, the job essentially falls on her lap after she gets laid off and all of her fellow journalists at a different company. And um she's brought into essentially, again, save the perception of the business.
00:16:07
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And um immediately again, it's like, you know, Andy Sachs's character, um you know, so ah Stanley Tucci's character, um like they have this like immediate chemistry and they are kind of the best part of that movie.
00:16:23
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in a lot of ways, just based on their relationship. And then there's some like welcome additions into the movie. BJ Novak is also in the, in the sequel. He plays like one of the big guys, like sons.
00:16:33
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Um, and, uh, they bring in Justin Theroux as well. And Justin Theroux's character is like this, like essentially like this super rich tech bro dude. And you know, there's, he does such a good job playing that in like this weird, uncomfortable, nerdy way. um And there's like a couple like really funny lines of dialogue, which just like I feel like encapsulates how tech bros sound to like the regular person um in a lot of ways. And I think, again, that adds a lot of comedy. I would say that the first movie is funnier.
00:17:06
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And I think a lot of that had to do with Emily Blunt's character getting a lot more play in the first movie versus the second. Oh, okay. Because she just... She is, I think, consistently funny. like Almost everything she says in the first movie is just like really funny, even though it's kind of just like she's like kind of being like rude and everything, but it's just it's snappy, it's witty.
00:17:23
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um right But I think the second movie... From a like a story perspective and a character growth perspective is a lot better.
00:17:34
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um And I think like, you know, if you've got to my head and I had to pick which one I liked more, I think I actually like the sequel a little bit more oh based specifically on, again, the.
00:17:46
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ah The growth a lot of these characters have. David Frankel um directed both the movies as well. And it's cool that he, you know, you have that like similar 2000 style that I think he brought a lot of that to this, this sequel. So there is a lot of familiarity between it. Not only and again, being the cast being the same, but again, a lot of these through lines.
00:18:07
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And um yeah, made for an all around like really enjoyable movie. It's yeah, i I actually really like these again. I don't think I'm particularly the target audience. It's not like my favorite movie of all time. Definitely not my favorite movie of this year even.
00:18:20
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But I think both of these are are really fun. And so if you know you're out there and you got a girlfriend, a wife um or just like a friend that wants to go see it, like go. like i think it's definitely worth it.
00:18:31
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I think it's definitely worth it. And they do a pretty good job filling you in on what happened prior as well through just like brief lines of dialogue through with with with certain characters. um So if you don't want to spend an evening watching the first one the day prior before going to watch Devil Wears Proud of 2, you don't necessarily have to. I do think you will get more out of it, though.
00:18:52
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That's fair. Yeah. Cool, man. Yeah. I did. what What did you watch this week, Simon, apart from what we watched together?
Film Obsession by Curry Barker: A Deep Dive
00:19:00
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I watched a few things. I started catching up on Invincible. What a good what a good show. but really Really good. Really good. i watching I watched that on the plane. i watched We watched quite a bit of shrinking because we're looking to get shrinkings on Apple TV. It's the show with Jason Segel and Harrison Ford as as shrinks.
00:19:17
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And it's awesome. It's it's great. We're i eight episodes in approximately. It's going to be going to be sad when it ends because I know that they're ending some of the arcs, I think, of the overall show after the end of season three. So that's exciting and also sad. And we've also got um For All Mankind on the go, and that's pretty much All I watched, I think.
00:19:39
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um But yeah, that's pretty much it. And then the thing we watched together, my friend, the thing we watched yesterday in theaters at the local Cineplex Theater, the the Ultra AVX, the laser projection. I don't know if I could tell the difference. I i don't know. I feel like it was worse. Yeah. overall experience than the other AVX. That's not kind of what I got out of it It's funny. They did the Dolby Atmos kind of like Ultra AVX is supposed to be like this ah big format type thing that's below IMAX in Canada. i don't know if Ultra AVX is everywhere.
00:20:11
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um But I found it interesting. They were like doing a Dolby Atmos demo in the beginning. And i'm like, this is entirely too quiet. Right from the beginning, I'm like, this is... why is this volume so low? Did you guys not calibrate this demo before... Because it it it happens right before the movie. It's like after there the the um the trailers, they show the this this demo to show, look how cool our laser projection and the the the Adobe Atmos sound is. And it just kind of felt underwhelming. I'm like, it's supposed to...
00:20:40
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you know, overwhelm, you know, it's just not supposed to whelm you. So I feel like that was a, that was a weird thing. But then we watched the movie obsession, Adrian, something you've been looking forward to for a while director, Curry Barker's big feature film. And you said it was under $10 million, dollars which i don't know if you looked that up. Yeah, no, I got to double check that. you took that it in the theater.
00:21:00
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um And we went it with a few people, you, me, and you were gracious enough to buy the tickets for, for all of us. And there was a, what was it? Five, of us six of us. six of us Am i adding that correctly?
00:21:13
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Or am I mis-adding that? There was six of us. There was six of us. Oh. Yeah. So, um okay. So I was actually off. So it is under $10 million, dollars but i I think I said it was in like the $4 million, $5 million dollars range when we briefly spoke yesterday.
00:21:30
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It was produced in a budget roughly between $750,000 $1 million. okay So like a very low budget. And then the distribution rights were like 14 to 15 million.
00:21:42
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It's pretty cool. It's pretty good. Relatively unknown known actors in it other than Andy Richter. I think yeah Andy Richter of Conan O'Brien show fame and and various other things like Rest of Development.
00:21:54
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it was I was like, when I saw him, I was wait, Is that Andy Richter? i don't know. i didn't definitely didn't know that going in. But anyway, it's a horror movie about obsession, as the name entails. yeah It's about a one-wish willow and how things go awry. I'll let you take it away because I know...
00:22:15
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That you are a ah the the horror aficionado on this podcast and you love this movie, as as you said, when we left the theater. So I'm curious what you thought of it overall. i don't know if you want to give a brief synopsis, but i don't know if there's much to say. This guy's in love with the girl, essentially, that he's never told that to any... It's all in the trailer and he buys this weird doohickey called a one wish willow that if you break it in half and make a wish, the thing will potentially come true. But it's one of those like weird tchotchkes that probably that doesn't exist for, you know, in our world, there's no magic. So the assumption in this world is there's no magic. So he break it. He's like, he's he's afraid to tell this girl that he likes her and he breaks it. And and and and then he basically says, oh,
00:23:02
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make it Make it so that – well, actually, do the exact phrasing perhaps is important, but he basically says – Yeah, he says – Make it so that Nikki loves me more than anyone else in the world. I believe that was the the kind – Yeah, exactly. He's like, ni yeah, I wish Nikki Freeman – I think it's like Nikki Freeman's her name. like i wish Nikki Freeman loves me more than anything in the world.
00:23:21
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Yeah. or again Anyone else, and more than any other person in the world. I think it was specifically a person. um and And then things go awry, as you can see in the trailer. ah But the editing is really, really good. I'll say my like one technical piece is that the overall, like the way it's built, the the film editing in particular is really, really great. And it's also directed directed and edited by the same guy in Curry Barker. He actually edited the film himself, which is kind of a little bit more rare for...
00:23:51
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a director, but not rare when you're talking about a million dollar movie. So I guess in that sense, it makes sense. um But I feel like personally, I felt like the acting was really solid. The writing is really solid. It was a very fully realized film overall. um I'll get to how I feel about it at the end, but I'll send it to you now. Cause I, again, I know how much you liked it. Sorry. That was a delay. I was sending it to you and then I took it away.
00:24:15
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yeah my It's okay, man. Give it back. Give it to me. Um, but no, I, I did, did I fricking love this movie and you know, I've been stewing on it. Um, cause like when I left the theater, I said, I, I think this might be my favorite movie of the year or 28 years later, bone temple. was like, it's either one of those. And I'm like, I don't want recency bias to get me. And I also kind of have a bias towards liking this movie simply because I followed both Curry Barker and Cooper Tomlinson who plays one of the main characters in the movie.
00:24:45
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Um, for For years now, they are like a comedy duo on YouTube. That's a bad idea. um you know, I've watched Curry Barker's like shorts, and he has like an hour long horror movie on YouTube called Milk and Cereal that I really, really loved. um So I was going into this expecting really good things. And again, I do have a bias towards these two guys because I'm just ah I'm just a fan of them. Like straight up. I am.
00:25:09
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So. when i I think a few weeks back, we talked about you know our most anticipated movies and like the the trailers that we like the most. And I mentioned that this is probably my most anticipated movie, and it was my favorite trailer that we watched. And um i'm I'm super happy to say that my expectations were not only met, but exceeded.
00:25:29
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Um, I think as you mentioned, the acting is superb by, by all accounts. And, uh, I don't want to say like all these people are, are, are like, you know, not really known actors, but for lack of a better term, they don't, I don't think they have too many projects behind them. Like Cooper Tomlinson, again, he has stuff on YouTube, but I don't think he's ever acted in a ah feature length film. The main character, um, Michael Johnston,
00:25:57
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He's been in like a couple of movies, but nothing too big. And Indy Navarrete, who plays Nikki, she's been in a few movies, but most notably, I think she plays a pretty big character or at least a consistent character in the Superman and Lois TV show on CW.
00:26:17
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So I think she's arguably the best known actor in in this movie. And apart from Andy Richter, of course. Andy Richter is the most. Yeah. be all know i feel like um And I just think this um this movie nails the
00:26:37
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So many different tones at the same time. It is one of the most unsettling and creepy and scary movies I've watched in God knows how long. And that's saying a lot, considering I've watched a lot of really good horror movies recently. I mean, even last episode, I talked about Oddity and how great that was.
00:26:53
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um But this movie just like had my skin crawling. so often and it balances comedy in a really interesting way and something that is it's kind of a funny premise like when you when when you lay it all out there and there are like actually quite a few like funny moments but it is again also so unsettling that you're kind of laughing to get through this unsettling event that you're witnessing on screen the editing is phenomenal the use of lighting in this movie in particular
00:27:25
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is so good. There's so many scenes with with Nikki, as a character in particular, where her face is kind of obscured by darkness. um Even before, you know, things start getting very crazy and and and creepy, where it's just, you know, her face is kind of concealed by darkness. And she's just saying like these, you know, these nice things to the the other main character, his name's bear.
00:27:49
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And just like the kind of beginning of their relationship, it almost seems hopeful. um And, you know, there is like – mean, there's a couple moments like fairly early on where you're like, Jesus, like this is kind of fucked up. But there's like, I think this super distinct turning point in the movie where it becomes like a genuinely terrifying scenario.
00:28:12
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um And a lot of that has to do with the editing, but also the acting. um I think Indy Neverett, who again plays Nikki, is... Remarkable. Like, I think she does such a good job. I can, I, I'm, I want to see more of her in other projects. I think she could be like a, um, scream queen in a lot of ways, or just again, like a, a horror icon, uh, because I think she just knocked it out of the park. And, um, I cannot recommend this movie enough to people that like horror movies.
00:28:48
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i I don't think if you like horror movies, you're going to find much enjoyment out of this. And I want to throw it to you because you said the first things you said to me, I asked you, what did you think of the movie? ah What did you say to me?
00:29:02
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I turned towards you and I said, this was horrible. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I said. Yes. And um i like yeah, and and it is like it is like in a lot of ways, like it is genuinely horrible what you are watching unfold on screen. But I think as a like a piece of cinema, it's like.
00:29:24
Speaker
Undoubtedly remarkable. And this is I'm so excited to see what Curry Barker is going to continue to do in this ah industry. He has a movie coming out and I think next year with um Aaron Paul and i forget who else. ah Bryce Dallas Howard, I believe called Anything But Ghosts, which I think is coming out next year, which is again another horror movie. I'm i'm just curious to see like what he, him and I guess his, his pal Cooper are going to continue to do together moving forward. Because again, i starting from, you know, watching their, know, short comedy sketches to now like watching this feature length film that is one of the scariest pieces of media I've, I've seen.
00:30:06
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um It makes me so excited. and And again, like I this movie stayed with me like I felt uncomfortable. I got home and I think I even said because we were with a group of us most of us are in relationships in that group. And I said, like, I think I'm going to flinch every time my wife says she loves me for for the next little bit.
00:30:25
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um And yeah, I just I loved it, dude. I loved it. I think this is remarkable. um And. Again, maybe it's still the recency bias, but again, I've been stewing on this for the last 24 hours or so.
00:30:38
Speaker
And I think this is my favorite movie of the year. um And it is an easy five out of five for me. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Cool. Sweet.
00:30:49
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Super cool. But yeah, you you you said that you wanted to add a little bit more to this conversation. um Well, one me that was it. Like you pointed out, like i I turned over to you and said it's horrible because it's just a torturous experience to watch. you know It's just torture.
00:31:02
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i don't i don't This is why I don't like horror movies, like generally, as a genre in comparison to other genres. I don't dislike this movie. But it it's just very uncomfortable. and And that's the whole movie. To me, honest, you're like, there's a turning point. point I never thought of it like that. It's an interesting thing. There was a turning point in this movie, you said, that which it became ah like an absolute like horror. And I can't I like the turning point was in the first like 20 minutes. Like it's just it made me so feel so uncomfortable the whole time. There's like this. I don't... There's something about... there's on ah On an empathy level, like I feel for the characters in these situations. And I'm like, this guy is afraid to tell this girl that he likes her.
00:31:43
Speaker
he's He's got a serious crush. He works with this person every day. He's into her. And she's kind of flirting with him in the beginning of the movie. You can see that on in the trailer too. and you're like, okay, so maybe there's something here. And you're like, you kind of never...
00:31:55
Speaker
there's a it's just It just kind of sucks. It's a shitty situation for everyone involved. like It's really, really shitty. and it just It only gets more shitty as it goes, and it never really lets up. and It's just torture. On an empathy perspective, like i just I felt for a lot of the characters, and I was like, this is just a crappy...
00:32:15
Speaker
It just makes me feel like crap the whole time. Even the lighter, i feel like it was lighter in the first hour. And then it goes really crazy. And you're like, okay, it's just going to get worse.
00:32:26
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And it does very, you're like, you're mentioning comedy. It's like, I almost can't laugh at anything in this movie. There were some um moments, even at the very end, that like yeah almost at the very end, less like 40 minutes that are like clearly, yeah,
00:32:39
Speaker
intended to be funny but I'm like I'm not laughing because I can't laugh here because the situation is so it's almost annoying to me but the way it's built is so realized I always use Promising Young Woman as an example I don't know why as ah as like a realized vision for a movie it's funny because there was a moment in the like maybe the first hour of this film or the first maybe an hour and a half And was like, why are i they not doing this? They better do this thing. And they do the thing because Craig Barker clearly thought of the scenarios. This idea wasn't that enticing to me as a film. like I looked at the trailer and I'm like, okay, fine. This this is this is a fine idea.
00:33:17
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is' a To me, it's like it's it's cool, but its it didn't feel that original. I feel like the original is in the execution, mostly, especially in the edit. And the edit is immaculate. think You mentioned the lighting and all that other stuff. It's all good. But I think the edit is really, really, really, really interesting overall.
00:33:34
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There's a moment, actually... This won't give anything away, but it's just the moment that ah this character is talking to another character and there' there's like this tension. And then keeps saying, I want to get cleaned up. I want to get cleaned up. And then all of a sudden it cuts and he's in the bathroom and the door shuts. It's like the first sound you hear as as it goes to the next cut. But he wasn't, you didn't see the walk to the bathroom. You didn't see the in between. And there's something magical about that because it,
00:34:01
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It's specific. and There's not like a lot of, that's a kind of a risky move. You could have made him just walk towards it, but for something about the tension, it's almost cut by it. Like, you I don't know. it's And then you just hear screaming and then you're like, okay, there's just something really, really interesting about the audio edit. there's also There's also an idea of like, there's ah almost a pulled focus from certain audio cues that is very interesting as well.
00:34:26
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like you hear a specific character like almost yelling, but then it goes into soft tones and like you're, you're kind of, you're almost wondering whether you're supposed to focus that it as an audience because you're focusing on the actor who's not making that sound in a different area. You don't see where the sound is coming from. If that makes any sense. Yeah. I don't know what, like it's just the way that the cues are done and the way that they're, they're kind of,
00:34:48
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almost allowing the audience to like really listen in. You're like, you're listening for the cues. The audio design is really cool, but it's it's also in the edit. It's really cool. It's a really, really technically sound movie. The writing is pretty solid, despite a plot that I didn't find too original going into it, but I found it as it went on, especially the way it ends. I think the ending is really remarkable too.
00:35:09
Speaker
Because you sometimes find movies like this don't end super well. like They don't really know. They paint themselves into a corner. It's like, oh, here are all these frights that we're going to give you. But how is it going to end? um like we We don't really need really think of that. We're like, well, it could end this way. But it could have ended this way. I feel like the way this movie was – even just right to the last shot of the film, it seems to be well while thought out for how it was going to end, which is great.
00:35:35
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um But yeah, it's just really torture. It's a torturous experience to watch. And I could see why somebody would like this film who likes horror.
00:35:46
Speaker
There are also horror tropes in this that I kind of bother me a little bit in that, but it reminds me of like a goosebumps TV episode or something. There's like this element of like, where the hell are the adults? And I don't not mean like, where are the actual adults? But I also do that mean that, but I also mean like,
00:36:04
Speaker
Where are the the adults in the room? Like there are like there's no, yeah yeah i don't want to get into it too much, but like there's an element of like, there's there's a there's a lack of maturity, but it works. And it reminds me of Goosebumps. And i don't know if you have watched my Goosebumps as a kid or like, are you afraid of the dark?
00:36:19
Speaker
Yep. But there's this idea that they, that there's like, you're kind of, they're ah left to their own devices as a classic horror trope of like, you don't, there's no one coming to save you kind of thing. Like there's no, there's no savior coming out. That's pretty much every horror movie in, in many ways. Like there's nobody's going to come. Like no Superman's going to come save the day or or whatever it may be.
00:36:39
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um So i I kind of appreciate that, but also criticize it from ah from a like a realistic standpoint. But it's like and watching a waking nightmare it is the way I would describe the film.
00:36:49
Speaker
like it's like And no one's going to come to save you in your nightmare either. So it's there's ah there's an element there, which I think is kind of brilliant. yeah Yeah, that's it. It's it's it's satisfying in in many ways, but also...
00:37:03
Speaker
it I never want to watch it again. and i And I also wonder why anyone wants to watch this movie ever. Yeah. but anyway Fair enough. Fair enough. i I can see where you're coming from. It's funny because i when I finished the movie, this was one of those horror movies. like I think about a movie like, um I don't know, Hereditary. There's one movie that I have written in my notes that actually is the most similar to this movie from that standpoint. And the one – And it's the same as Ari Aster.
00:37:33
Speaker
It's Midsommar. Midsommar is to me the closest I've felt to this movie. Because there's an empathy level that's in this film that you're kind of you're're you're brought along in this journey with these characters. and you're you're There's a lot that's going awry and you're you're kind of out of control.
00:37:49
Speaker
like Everything's kind out of control. It's like the the the main characters are just they they they seem like realistic people, like very human and potential. They're flawed and everything like that. So I think I think Midsommar captures that ah in a lot of ways. I don't I think tonally they're very different, but I'm sure I see where you're coming from there.
00:38:09
Speaker
It's just the uncomfortability. Nothing has made me feel on a feelings level as uncomfortable as when I watched Midsommar. The one advantage I'll give to Midsommar and why I like it better actually is is for the simple fact that I don't, I don't relate to any of the characters as much as I did to Florence Pugh's character.
00:38:26
Speaker
And I think that that maybe is a detriment to its detriment. Like the main character you're really following is Michael Johnson's character. And I, the bear. But this is kind of the brilliance of the movie is that the question of obsession and like where is the obsession coming from is I think the interesting thing and I want to get into too much detail there but I think that like if you know what I'm saying like obsession is a good title in this case but where where on what side is it because it but I just don't like his character. I think he's kind of I don't like him right from the I kind of let it get like in the first 10 minutes but there's an element of like you can see it again in the trailer that he's like
00:39:06
Speaker
Oh hes He's like this awkward individual. That's like not the awkward confident. He's like not confident in himself. And yeah I know exactly what you're referring to yeah that Like it brings them to this point where he like makes, again, he makes the decision to have this woman fall in love with him.
00:39:23
Speaker
And, It's him almost refusing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. it's There's like this level of refusal from him to be like, no, no, like she does actually like me. This is her, right? Like like this is what it would have been if I just told her that that that I liked her And like he's like trying to rationalize everything that's happening based on that.
00:39:45
Speaker
And again, I think that's just a very human thing. Like like. very sad. It is is incredibly sad. and This whole movie is incredibly sad. It made me really sad. when i like When I got home, I was like, I was bummed out. Like really bummed out. I was just sad.
00:39:57
Speaker
I was very melancholic after I got home right up until I went to bed. I was like, I got to do something here. I just started playing Soros a little bit. No, I played Starfield. My comfort food.
00:40:07
Speaker
You know? Because I. It just bummed me out so badly. But yeah. Yeah. I wasn't bummed out, but was unsettled. That's one thing. settled Florence Pugh's character, i did i do find like she's a little bit more...
00:40:22
Speaker
I don't know, almost grounded, in which I appreciate a little bit better. Like the the the the movie does feel grounded in reality in a large way, but sound in some ways it's very wacky. But um yeah, there's also like the trope, I guess, of like not solving the mystery, which you don't have to do necessarily. they The focus on like the monkey, as an example, is like we're not – it's never really going to be the the mystery. it's It's more of the stuff in between.
00:40:48
Speaker
And that's something I i don't know. That's always in every horror movie. They're like, we're never going to quite get to the bottom, but it's kind of a good thing in in a weird way. I agree. I feel like when you want to get too much into detail yeah what they reveal and what they don't, but.
00:41:02
Speaker
I feel like in a lot of movies, like ah when you when you try to over explain something, it becomes yeah it can almost become like midichlorians, you know, like when you think about like Star Wars, right? yeah where big like It almost jumps the shark and it's like the mystery is kind of nice and yeah it lets your imagination run. And I feel like it adds to the yeah the unsettling nature of it.
00:41:22
Speaker
I think like, i don't know, I think about a movie like um like Long Legs actually, which I adore, but that's a movie that actually does explain its mystery by the end. And I think ah that threw a lot of people off and people didn't like the answer that it showed. Oh, yeah. So um it is interesting, I guess, again, compare it to like another like horror movie like that, where, again, I think Longlegs is superb in in the in that sense of building tension and anxiety all throughout the movie. And yeah.
00:41:53
Speaker
Again, not not the exact same, but you have this villain that you're following along with. And then again, this overarching mystery that does ultimately get resolved without much interpretation behind it. Whereas this one, I think you can kind of interpret stuff um a little bit more.
00:42:08
Speaker
The difference between you and me, though, is that you enjoyed watching this, right? I did. i do. and i've I've said this before. It's like I love horror because it's... because it's it brings out specific emotions in a controlled setting. Like I'm not actually ever going to feel terror. on Unless again, I experienced like a horror movie or play a horror video game or something like that.
00:42:32
Speaker
But again, there's this something in the back of your mind that knows like I am actually safe. I'm not going to fucking die in this scenario. Um, But it's not the death that – you know what I mean?
00:42:44
Speaker
Is that really what it was? Like I wasn't worried about any death. you know No, I know. But I'm saying like that that feeling can only be replicated in real life apart from these controlled situations if you were actually in like a situation where I might fucking die here and I'm terrified. Yeah. I get that. But my my my point is i I'm not worried about like the life and death of it.
00:43:07
Speaker
I'm worried about the my my internal being is is tortured by what the people are going through. Does that make sense? I have an empathetic reaction to it more so than I have a fearful one. Like I actually didn't have very many jump scares. You were saying it was just funny. There was a really mundane moment where you got jump scared. Yeah. And I was like, I wasn't worried. There was one moment that I knew that there was going to be a jump scare and it was masterfully done because they they obviously did that. It was like a foreshadow on purpose, the way it was shot. was really smart because it was designed as a trope. It's a trope shot. It's amazing.
00:43:42
Speaker
It's an amazing shot and you know, it's coming, but you're like, when God damn it. It's awesome. But yeah, think that's cool. And that, that, that might've been the only one that got me. It's funny. You said a word, or the word earlier, you're saying, what'd you say? Not goosebumps. You said that not tingles, I don't remember, but you use it a phrase. Like I was getting like a weird like reaction at one point during this movie, but it wasn't, it was because of just like the tension of it got me ah on an anxiety level and I wasn't like worried about the fear. i guess it what I was, but then my hand. Skin crawling. I said my skin crawling. That's what was. Skin growing is the best best phrase that I could use. Like I felt in my upper body felt like weird. I'm like, I've never really had that from a horror film. And it was a combination of like the tension of the moment, probably an adrenaline, a tiny bit of an adrenaline kick. I didn't want it though. I don't want it.
00:44:31
Speaker
you know I don't want it, but ultimately I'm not worried about the actual fear fact. That was a fear reaction, I think for sure. But ah my my concern is more so the torturous aspect of watching these people who I believe to be real. And that's a testament to Curry Barker and his acting team.
00:44:47
Speaker
But I think that that's like the the thing I'm like, this sucks. Like, this sucks over and over again. I want to watch an escape in some way. There's got to be a little bit of an escape, you know? Nomadland is a really sad movie, but at least you get a little bit of a vibe of, oh, wow, these people are living so interestingly, you know?
00:45:02
Speaker
Which I don't bring up a completely unrelated film, but one that's kind of sad, you know what I mean? In contrast from Chloe Zhao. But yeah, anyway, that's kind of my thought, my my end thoughts here. But yeah, it's funny, the more we talk about it, and the more I think about it all day, I kind of, I didn't want to think about it because it really made me upset a little bit. But at the same time, like my idea of it,
00:45:23
Speaker
became more positive as it went on. i During the movie in the beginning, I also was like, where is this going? like there was moment there's There are scenes in which I feel like they almost to hold on them too long because because of the nature of how things are going. youre like There there is inevitable aspects of a character doing something stupid. You're like, just get cut to the chase and in some aspect. But as the movie goes on, especially the last half, more unexpected stuff, I feel like, starts to become more unexpected.
00:45:52
Speaker
which I appreciate and it got better and better. And the more I thought about it, the more the movie went on my score for it internally went up. Like I was like thinking maybe I like this as a piece of art way more than i anticipated. Cause it was in the, it was like a three out of five and then it just kept rising and rising and rising. And now my letterbox score is not, is not known to me. I think i might just increase it or or decrease it. i i don't think it will be decreased. I think it'll just only increase just based on my perception of,
00:46:20
Speaker
how well built it is. But anyways, I digress. I've talked too much. Anything else you want to say before we move on? No, man. Again, I think that about covers it. I'm i'm glad that... the I appreciate you taking a chance. I know you don't love the horror movies, so I appreciate you coming with me to this one. and This one was particularly uncomfortable.
00:46:39
Speaker
yeah This is the most uncomfortable, like I said, this since Midsommar, but I've gone to see many horror films with you in theaters since Midsommar. Like, dozens. I feel like a dozen. Maybe a dozen, at the very least. Midsommar was long time ago. It was, what, 2019? No.
00:46:57
Speaker
2018? Maybe it was a long period of time. It was pre-COVID, yeah. Yeah, it was definitely pre-COVID.
00:47:03
Speaker
But yeah, you didn't go see Hoka, meh? No, I'm so annoyed. Yeah, isn't that was weird? that this So I was thinking about this. So this movie got an early showing. the movie's not but where this This movie is slated to come out on Friday, so tomorrow, which they were recording recording this on a Thursday. It's supposed to come out on May 15th, and we saw it on May 13th. Which is really weird. You send me the this image of the Cineplex app and it says there's one showing on Wednesday at 7pm at the Cineplex. And I'm like, why is this movie showing but Hocum didn't show? When Hocum also has bigger name talent attached in some way. like Adam Scott's says the main character and I'm sure they paid money for Adam Scott. to be in it.
00:47:43
Speaker
ah And it's well-reviewed as well. It's not like it's critically not acclaimed. So the fact that it's in neither of the theaters in either side of Guelph, meanwhile, this other film that's from a small director, small time, not small, he's big director. It's his first theatrical release.
00:48:02
Speaker
Yeah. like so There's somebody who who's a fan like you that watched this milk and cereal thing and he's just like, ah. You know, I think that's really what it is. Whoever is choosing the films, that does them who choose. I wonder how that works for these theaters is a big chain.
00:48:17
Speaker
Who chooses what films go into either theater on either side of Guelph. Does the manager choose? Maybe. We should almost ask. We should just like, have some because when we see that, we know what the managers look like in these stores, in these yeah in these ah theaters. Maybe we should ask them, like, who who chooses?
00:48:34
Speaker
who How did you choose that both theaters are going to get three showings of devil's wears ah The Devil Wears Prada? Two. Which is doing very well, theatrically, by the way. That one's doing really well, yeah. But it's crazy because it's Project Hail Mary is still in theaters Guelph. I know. yeah Which is wild.
00:48:50
Speaker
It's many, many months or, yeah, month. How months that? A month and a half? i don't know. It's been a while. Okay. Well, that's it. Anything else you watched this week, sir?
00:49:04
Speaker
No, I've watched a few things, but um I'll get around to it next episode. Like, um The Boys, I watched the penultimate episode. The finale is next week. Sweet. Am I getting it better or no?
00:49:15
Speaker
No, not really. Okay. I just... i i Yeah. I'm just not into I wish I was, but yeah, i just simply... not Not to be like the funny police, but it's just the humor is just simply not landing. I don't know if I just grew out of it over the course of however many years that it's been airing or just i'm just kind of over it.
00:49:35
Speaker
But it is. I feel like the boys consistently is – it almost feels like everyone talks the same weirdly enough. Like there are you know specific characters. like Again, like – like Homelander and um um Butcher and stuff. But I feel like every other character is just like, how can I say this in the most vulgar way possible?
00:49:56
Speaker
Constantly. And like everyone's just so vulgar. I'm like does no one to have like, does no one know how to just talk like a normal person? Like nobody? It's just weird. Okay. okay Yeah, some character choices. Again, I briefly touched on this, but some character choices, specifically with one character,
00:50:14
Speaker
I'm so like from the first episode of the season to now, I'm i'm just I'm just shocked that they decided to go that route with this character and they've been around the entire series. I'm like, what the fuck, man?
00:50:25
Speaker
um I'm curious how it's going to end. I'm excited to watch the finale, but God, I don't like it. And then I've been catching up on Daredevil Born Again season two. I think I watched now five episodes. Dude, this show's fucking awesome.
00:50:37
Speaker
Jesus Christ. It's so good. So I'm very excited. That's what's sad. Again, we talked about this last episode. Like there's this idea that people aren't watching it, right? Um, there's some, some statistic that came out. Maybe it's not real cause Disney didn't release it directly, but there was, there was rumor rumors or like inklings that it wasn't being watched nearly as much as the first season in particular. That doesn't necessarily mean it's not being watched, but, um, it's unfortunate cause I feel like if it's, if it's even better than the first season, what the hell? I think, yeah.
00:51:04
Speaker
Um, Yeah, I intend to subscribe to Disney Plus as soon as we're done shrinking. I'm going to watch that, and we're going to watch the Punisher limited like thing, the 50-minute special with Jon Bernthal.
00:51:18
Speaker
And probably what we'll start with, though, is the bear... Did you watch that bear? the bear ah No, not yet. yeah i we don't have Disney Plus. That's why we didn't do it. But yeah the the bear airs next month, which is crazy, so it's really soon as well.
00:51:32
Speaker
Yeah, I might watch that as like a little... um like Like an appetizer. You know, like just before the bear, the final season, the bear comes out. might just watch that like special. Yeah. Just before. Yeah.
00:51:44
Speaker
It's like a flashback episode, basically. But it's written by Jon Bernthal and Evan Ross Blackwrap. So h following their characters from the show. Yeah. It's kind of cool.
00:51:54
Speaker
So it's kind of a surprise. Like, oh, hey, we just released this. Look at us. Search this on on Disney Plus right now. Yeah. Jon Bernthal running Disney. At this point. two Two one-shot specials back-to-back. Come on, man.
00:52:07
Speaker
And then he's in Brand New Day. Yeah, he is. Which may be their biggest film of the year. The jury's still out. But it's not... I mean, it's Sony, technically. Technically Sony, yeah. I can't remember I asked you this.
00:52:22
Speaker
Is Spider-Man going to do better than Doomsday? Theatrically? Overall? We talked about this last... Okay. week Very briefly, last episode, by last bi-week. I don't know. I'm not sure. i did I think Doomsday's got so much star power, and if it also has Spider-Man in it, maybe it just doesn't matter. It should do better, Doomsday.
00:52:40
Speaker
I think it should. I don't know. What's Doomsday going to do? and what the fact The fact that it's not in IMAX seems like such a blunder. I don't understand. like i don't This Disney Infinity thing, I don't really understand what they're doing with it.
00:52:52
Speaker
I'm confused by it. like are you really Are you really creating a new format? like You're not going to open theaters. like How are you going to do? I don't understand what this is. It seems like a like a compensation for, oh, we got shafted by Dune Part 3 because Dune Part 3 is taking all the IMAX theaters, so now we have to just make a compromise.
00:53:09
Speaker
I don't know. To be
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00:53:11
Speaker
fair, though, Disney backed Blu-ray and they won. And then they backed something else and they won as well. I'm trying to think. Like a format situation. but you're not going to beat IMAX. They just developed a crazy, eye the IMAX camera is crazy. The new one, the Keeley, it's a crazy camera. It's it's insane.
00:53:27
Speaker
I don't like, because you, they they basically built the camera in ah in a soundproof box. You hear about this? That's what the Keeley is. I feel like you told me this. I don't know if I talked about what it's doing. That's the whole point of it. is it is it um what What Nolan was having problems with, and they basically solved the problem for him, is that the reason why he didn't film an entire movie on IMAX, like Oppenheimer,
00:53:49
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is because he couldn't. He would film Killian Murphy with this the IMAX camera, and it makes so much noise. Because it makes so much noise, Killian Murphy would have to like yell over the camera. like He was using his theater voice. so like You lose the realism and the groundedness of the of the performance. So Nolan just would never do that. He would just film with a regular camera, like a dialogue scene, and then he would film the big moments, usually with the IMAX camera, like the big fight scene sequences. Yeah.
00:54:16
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But then the Keeley comes along and basically they put it in a soundproof box. It's like the camera in a soundproof box. It's like bigger than ever, I think. But it cover it it covers the sound of this camera running so they can do the do the entire movie. That's why the Odyssey is filmed completely and with an IMAX camera.
00:54:31
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But like there there's no like... who's developing for Disney infinity, whatever's vision, Disney infinity, they're not developing a new camera that they're like figuring out the technology to make it work and be, be at like a, the best format. They're just like, Oh, we're just going to slap Disney infinity as a title on this movie theater. And it's going to be the best format ever. I was like, I don't think that that's, that's how it works. I think you, it's infinity vision, right? Yeah.
00:54:56
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i just want to correct because I think Infinity Vision. Yeah. Okay, cool. Because you said Disney Infinity. Okay. I just keep calling because it's fun. Yeah. I said Infinity Vision earlier. i said it. Yeah. it make sure It's also a mouthful. Okay.
00:55:09
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It's a mouthful. Sorry. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. um Yeah. So, yeah. What was I talking about? What were we talking about? Oh, whether their Spider-Man will do better. What do you think?
00:55:20
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I think Spider-Man is going to do better. You do. But Doomsday is going to be so big, though, as a whole. The problem is they're huge movies. They're both really long, like in terms of um run runtime.
00:55:32
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So I'm not sure in that sense. ah Yeah, I don't know. I think Doomsday is is going to be a longer movie compared to Spider-Man. And I think Spider-Man is an IMAX, which increases ticket sale pricing.
00:55:48
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Yeah, but right, you're talking about just the amount of gross, right? Box office gross. Well, yeah, but did they make... What's the cut on IMAX? That's a actually a great point. I don't even know. I don't know. is it that Are the theaters taking a lot of that extra money because they've built the the theater? They built the actual...
00:56:12
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I don't know. i yeah I don't know what the cut is. Yeah, you're right because the the price is higher. Maybe they'll get more towards the box office. like Yeah, it's a question of how the box office is calculated too. But yeah, you're probably right. I don't know. i don't know. But Doomsday is huge. If it's bad, Doomsday won't.
00:56:28
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I think though, honestly, this is the thing. The Russo brothers... I love them. They're really cool. They just haven't had hits lately. It's not been good. They've had a bad run of bad badly critical, like, receptive movies. they they haven't They have not been that good.
00:56:45
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Destin Daniel Cretton, the director for Brand New Day, Spider-Man... He, to me, again, I recommend you watch Wonder Man because it is really good. Like really, really good to the point where it's no business being this good from the perspective of not related to being a flashy, flashy, boom, boom superhero movie. It's not that at all.
00:57:06
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It's the opposite of that. And it's probably the most opposite of that that Marvel has ever done. And so it's so interesting how good it is and it's what a risk it is and what a swing. He's the director of that. He's the director of Shang-Chi and the Legend of the town Ten Rings. Shang-Chi.
00:57:21
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is that movie, the boom, boom superhero, flashy, flashy. And it is really good too. And it's the Marvel cinematic formula. And on the flip side, the opposite is wonder man. And I think brand new day will fit maybe right in between based on that trailer. So yeah that's, what's really exciting is like, I think this guy's like a real, like so he's a real skilled director and I think he's going to do something really cool. The Russo brothers,
00:57:42
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i don't I hope they haven't had their day. I hope that this they've the best is yet to come because that's kind of my my concern with them. like The Gray Man, not reviewed very well. I had fun with it.
00:57:54
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I had fun with it too. I liked it too. But the problem is if it's not reviewed, like let's say it's reviewed at a 65. yeah That would be really bad. And there's no way Brand New Day doesn't win over that. yeah I think Brand New Day is going to be an easy 85 to 95.
00:58:07
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That's what I think is going to happen. Yeah. Like going to be in within that range. So that's that's why I think maybe it's possible. But the Russos, no one's been able to do what they've done, I feel like, as consistently with the number of heroes. They put so many heroes in every freaking movie after after Winter Soldier, so Civil War and above, like for their Marvel fare.
00:58:27
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And they just somehow balance the tone and the – They balance all the characters so well that it's kind of crazy. And they're obviously not writing the film. there I'm sure they're contributing, but they're not writing it typically. But apparently the way that Marvel does things is they they do plussing or whatever the hell Kevin Feige said. So they kind of write it as they make the movie.
00:58:47
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So I'm like, that's then the right Russo brothers probably coming up with good ideas for how it works. You know what i mean? Like, i think everyone contributes. I think feel like it's like very collaborative in that way. But...
00:58:58
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um Yeah, I'd hope they could do it again. Can they do it for a, what is that? How many times? Fourth time? In terms of having that many crazy heroes, it's fifth time as a Winter Soldier. But to have the, like, Winter Soldier is a very quaint film in comparison. It's a small spy drama. It's kind of crazy. And then you ah they're like, we're going to do Civil War. It's like, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, they were sure. They were very sure. They did a great job. And then they brought in Affinity War.
00:59:26
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They did ah the Infinity War Avengers movie and then they did Avengers Endgame. like, wow, they're really they're really sure. that like They know what they're doing. and Now they've got this, but they've also got a Marvel Cinematic Universe that doesn't feel very cohesive. like They're going to bring everything together almost like the DC Universe, DCEU or whatever did with Justice League because like the Justice League plan, there was no plan. and Then they're like, we're going to just bring all them we're goingnna bring them all together.
00:59:52
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You excited? They like kind of rushed into it like after Batman v Superman and Wonder Woman. Oh, no, Wonder Woman. Yeah, it was after and before Justice League.
01:00:02
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Yeah. Anyway, I've talked for a long time. You look bored. i No, I'm not bored. i'm i'm i'm honestly just kind of thinking in the sense of like, although like the Russo brothers haven't had a great run since Endgame, does the general population even know?
01:00:19
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yeah right so like i think people are like oh the end game guys are back i'm i'm stoked so my question though is have they lost their their edge way their way it's just like it's like a site you're psyched out right there's a lot of confidence coming out of winter soldier i feel like you're like oh wow i'm i'm good at this yeah we made the best mcu movie like a period full stop i still think to this day you think so yeah yeah i don't think so anymore but yeah it's awesome what's your favorite I think I have up there both No Way Home and Endgame are really, really good.
01:00:50
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It's just that there's there's an insurmountable how did you do this? Winter Soldier is amazing because it's like such a it's a boutique. It's like a small. It's not small, but you know what I'm saying? Winter Soldier is like a phenomenal just movie. Like it's just a great yeah movie. It's good spy drama. Endgame is great, but it's also great because of everything that's come before it.
01:01:11
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But even like Infinity War that came before it. That's also amazing. Yeah, it is. It's like, how did you do this? Like, it's it's just really, really crazy. I don't understand how they pulled it together. and And it feels like all the characters matter somehow in those movies. Like, good job. Like, incredible. I don't like, so I think Civil War is worse than Winter Soldier, certainly.
01:01:29
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But. Yeah. But yeah, I love Winter Soldier as well. It's crazy. i always think back on that frigging, the elevator set and fight scene. And like, there's the moments between like Chris Evans and Scarlett Johansson, like Black Widow and and Captain America that are just like really interesting. They're quiet moments that are like really good. Robert Redford is in it, the legend.
01:01:49
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Yeah. know? He's in it as like a pretty significant character. Samuel Jackson scenes like as Nick Fury are some of the best in the MCU. It's crazy because they ruin him after in Secret Invasion. He was such a cool character because of that movie. And then they shat all over him after.
01:02:03
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They shat all over him and in in, what's it called? miss Not Miss Marvel. no that's a good That was a good show. Marvelous. No. but no No. Captain Marvel. The Captain Marvel, the shot on his his history, his lore, and then they shot on him really badly with Secret Invasion. like I didn't even watch it. I didn't finish it. i i mean Again, I think you've kind of told me what happens, and I'm just going to pretend that doesn't exist.
01:02:28
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It's crazy. Yeah. It's one of the worst shows i've ever seen. Like just full stop. It's great. And I try not to watch a lot of bad things, but I'm invested in the MCU. So I do watch the bad things in the MCU.
01:02:38
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Cause this is when I understand where the characters are at by the end, there's still a aspect of it. That show wasn't fun. Even the bad stuff in the MCU. I don't know. That, that wasn't good, but anyway.
01:02:49
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Okay. Yeah, so yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe Spider-Man will will do better. I think I'm going to go with the opposite because it would be more fun because you said Spider-Man. going to go with I think Doomsday will do better because it's got a crazier cast. It's insane. Robert Downey Jr. is back.
01:03:01
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And it's on Doomsday, the same day Doon comes out. I think there's a chance that the hype will carry those movies forward. It might be the biggest record day for box office history, theoretically. That would be really cool and really great for the theater industry. I will see this too.
01:03:16
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This year, and I've kind of already alluded to this, but it's even in my notes for what what's coming soon, like for the Look to the Future segment that we're going to get into. I find there's just a lot of, it's like a stacked year overall, like for a lots of different fare, lots of horror movies, lots of big superhero movies. There's a lot coming out this year. There's a lot of entertainment from other angles. Like there's just a lot of video games that are really, it's a really stacked year for that too. And there's a lot of TV shows coming out.
01:03:42
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It's almost like golden year for entertainment. like, where is everyone's attention drawn though? Like, are we, is it sustainable to have this much quality stuff? So much quality film, TV games.
01:03:54
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Can it be sustained when social media is coming for everyone's lunch? You know, the attention economy. It's a scary thing. i feel like that's the that's the interesting thing. we're We're going to talk about a few of the like the shows and movies in a second, but I think that it's it's kind of crazy what's coming out this year, I find. like The Dune's Day thing, like Dune and Avengers, on the same day is like, why? why like Again, is it because there's like too much stuff? like You couldn't you can figure out another day? i i don't understand.
01:04:26
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I think it's like a game of chicken right now. that But they're not going to move. They can't. Yeah. what mean. They can't now. They committed. Yeah. Dune is not moving. That's what I thought was going to happen was Dune was going to move potentially because they were like, but then they secured the the IMAX thing and they put the presale tickets on and they sold so many tickets. They like sold out of IMAX theaters. So it's like, so that movie is going to be fine.
01:04:50
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People are fan a fan of what Denis Villeneuve's done with Dune. Yeah. Okay. Adrian, now on to the montage, a sequence of our show in which I briefly present at least seven of the bi-weeks smaller news stories as Adrian delivers a brisk verdict.
01:05:05
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Number one. As reported by The Hollywood Reporter, a new film in the Long Legs universe, directed by Long Legs director Osgood Perkins and starring Nicolas Cage, will premiere in theaters on January 14th, 2028.
01:05:18
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twenty twenty eight Oh, I'm curious what they're going to do with this one. I believe it's going to be called Long Arms. Ha. Nice. Number two. According to Deadline, Warfare director Ray Mendoza is gearing up to direct a Western film called Blood on the Promontory as his next film.
01:05:36
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Oh, cool. Right on. Warfare is awesome. I'm curious what he can do on his own because he was co-directing Warfare with Alice Garland. Indeed. Master the Craft. Number three, as announced by streamer Hulu, the final season of writer-director Christopher Storer's restaurant drama The Bear has been given a June 25th premiere date. Wonderful. I'm very excited about this.
01:05:58
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What a great four-season arc. Five, right? well Yeah, four seasons up until this point Oh, okay. yeah sorry I was like, am I wrong? but not understand right you're right You're right. Number four. According to publication variety, Edge of Tomorrow director Doug Liman is directing a spy thriller called Star One with Top Gun Maverick actor Miles Teller and Jackal actor Eddie Redmayne set to play as two opposite personality CIA operatives attempting to complete a mission in enemy territory. Wow, cool.
01:06:28
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Number five. HBO has announced that season two of their Harry Potter TV series has been greenlit and will begin shooting this fall. Okay, I feel like, I swear to God, they said that they were goingnna film these way faster, and I thought this would have already been greenlit, but apparently not. Yeah. Number six. As Deadliner reports, Fantastic Four First Steps director Matt Shachman has been hired on as director for the upcoming Planet of the Apes sequel film.
01:06:52
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Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes writer Josh Friedman will write the screenplay. Nice. I'm i'm excited about this. I like the last one. And I'm curious if this is going to be like a direct sequel to the most recent one or just kind of like a little bit of a time jump again.
01:07:07
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They seem to like the time jumps. So that's my bet. Number seven, as announced by director Matt Reeves with a picture of Robert Pattinson wearing the Batsuit, production has now begun on The Batman Part 2.
01:07:18
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Took them long enough. Took them long enough. Okay. Okay. 8. Despite Simon's confusion, ABC has renewed the reboot of Scrubs for a second season. I don't know why I thought this was not successful, but it clearly is.
01:07:31
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It is. As The Hollywood Reporter reports, Star Wars Starfighter director Shawn Levy's next project will be a science fiction film called Somewhere Out There for streamer Netflix. The movie centers around a grieving father communicating with aliens and is being described as a rival meets the Atom project.
01:07:49
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OK, one of those two movies is really good. Hmm. Which one? Number 10. Despite the use of fake names and claims of it being a dramatization of events from 2016, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon's production company is being sued for their portrayal of police officers in drug bust Netflix film The Rip.
01:08:08
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The officers suing Affleck and Damon claim that they've been painted by the film as dirty cops, which has affected their real-life reputation in Miami. You're kind telling on yourself, aren't you?
01:08:18
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yes That's exactly what I thought when I saw this, because they're not painted that way in the film. That's the weird thing. So that's the confusion. i don't understand what you're talking about. If you watch the movie, it's pretty fun, actually. It's a pretty fun movie. it's like there's a little There's a lot of mystery in it. It's an action film in some way, but it's like a lot of like what's going to happen. It's like and a mystery thriller and in a way.
01:08:43
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Mystery action thriller. And I'm confused as to how you could have grounds for this. lawsuit. I hope they don't win because I don't know what this means then for any based on the true story properties ever.
01:08:55
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But anyway, we'll see. Number 11. According to Deadline, Westworld actor Aaron Paul has been cast in Fallout Season 3. Wow. Feels like he fits right into that universe.
01:09:06
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Does he? Do you think that? For some reason, yeah. For some reason, yeah. There was a there's a thing with him. he he was at the, prem I think, like the not the premiere, but like the launch launch day for Fall of New Vegas back in the day.
01:09:22
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He's like a fan, I think. So like that's why it's kind of cool. And he worked with john Jonah Nolan before on Westworld, as we just discussed. Number 12. Conan O'Brien has been hired on as host for next year's Academy Awards ceremony, set to air on March 14, 2027 on ABC.
01:09:37
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This will mark the third year in a row that O'Brien will host. Wonderful. He's a great host, man. He's a great host and adds a lot of fun to the Oscars. Number 13 has announced at Disney's Upfront's presentation, Marvel's Vision Quest TV series starring Vision actor Paul Bettany, will launch on October 14th, 2026. This is crazy.
01:09:59
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It's crazy. I just feel like this is this has been such a long time coming. It just see feels like a product from a different time. And that concludes The Montage. Okay. It's crazy.
01:10:09
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It's crazy stuff, man. Crazy stuff. It's so crazy. So crazy. Crazy stuff. My
HBO's Green Lantern Series Insights
01:10:15
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friend. Oh my goodness. Let's dive now and into a trilogy of topical tidings, Adrian, a component of our show where we discuss at least three film and TV industry news stories that have been somewhat zeitgeisty over the past two weeks.
01:10:26
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The first one is the big one for me because I've got a lot of quotes. um Chris Mundy. the the past showrunner for Ozark and now showrunner for Lanterns, the HBO TV series about Green Lantern green lantern individuals who who land on earth in a small town and try to solve some kind of mystery with a small town sheriff.
01:10:54
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Chris Mundy was in an interview with ah Entertainment Weekly, which is interesting because that's the second thing that Entertainment Weekly is kind of – I think in like as ah in in like three weeks or something like that, they they've gotten like two kind of big scoop stories. gotten scoops. don't know big this is. I think it's kind of cool. Maybe it's not a scoop, but the interview is kind of cool. But also the big thing was that they good they they got the script for Spider-Man. like, oh, okay. Yeah.
01:11:18
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Yeah. Good for you. Entertainment weekly. You have the first three pages of Spider-Man brand new day for some reason. That's, that's cool. I wouldn't necessarily call it a scoop, but it's kind of an interesting thing that we've, we're talking about it twice. I don't really look at entertainment weekly. That's also why I'm pointing it out. I usually look at deadline and variety and the Hollywood reporter as a priority for like composing the information for the show. ah But anyway, Chris Mundy was in that interview and he talked about the Lanterns TV show and he kind of quelled fears in the interview by saying there will be green, which i was just the lead with.
01:11:49
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Oh, thank goodness. Because people were worried. Oh my God, thank God. This this show would sucked if they didn't have the color green. I know it would have been crazy bad. But for those who don't know, the Green Lantern show was really kind of cool because it's, it was kind of like touted as being that this true detective meets like, it's like space cops, true detective.
01:12:09
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That was the idea, but it's also like rated M a. So it's, it's, ah it's an HBO show through and through. It's like the Sopranos or like Game of Thrones. It's, there's a lot of swearing in it and there's swearing in the first trailer, which I thought was really cool.
01:12:20
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So, or true detective actually is a great example of an HBO show with swearing in it. But Chris Mundy kind of like lent some ideas of where the show is going, which I thought was cool. So I'm just going to go through like nine points or I guess eight now because I said there will be green already.
01:12:34
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And then we can you can just tell me if you what you think about them. The first one. You started with most important one. you started I don't know. I i didn't read it. Oh, I started with it will there will be green. Yeah, yeah. um I don't have it ordered from most important to least important.
01:12:48
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But anyway, one point here I've got here is it'll be on Earth. It'll be an on Earth-based season, but it will have two timelines like True Detective Season 1. So he actually kind of kept relating it to Season 1 of True Detective with Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson.
01:13:05
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would Did you ever see Season 1? Can't remember. No. I recommend seeing that one and then not seeing any any others if you if you have the time. Oh, I don't recommend it to you. I recommend it to everyone else because it it really sets the tone for the rest of the that show. It's really kind of cool, but it's it's set in two time periods.
01:13:23
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I think it's almost three time periods if I remember correctly. The idea was that they keep going back and forth to these time different time periods and they're kind of unraveling the mystery for the audience to go. Actually, it's kind of like how Lost's format is because they keep going to flashbacks and Damon Lindelof is a part of it.
01:13:36
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In that regard, True Detective is much more stable in that Lost is like flashbacks every episode for one specific specific character. That's obviously not a True Detective is. They're doing flashbacks for... like it's but It's basically not deposition, or maybe that is a deposition, but it's like interviews with the cops of the time.
01:13:55
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And it's with Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey's character and how they've changed in like a 10-year period. This is apparently one like a modern times time period the're following and a period in 2016.
01:14:07
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And so they keep going back and forth. Oh, okay. So then, interesting. So, because I remember I brought up that our pal Ken mentioned that he feels like this is like a prequel. Like the trailer kind of made it seem like almost like a prequel to what's happened in Superman and stuff. Oh, okay. You see how that makes. Yeah, because it is, it seems like, again,
01:14:24
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It is about like, you know, a green land, the first human green lantern, which is what's his name. And it seems like it's pre Guy Gardner being a green lantern as well. um From the looks of it, at least in the 2016 timeline.
01:14:37
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So maybe in the current timeline, we're going to see more crossover with the ah three fellas. you know yeah but Yeah. Guy Gardner apparently isn't in it that much, it seems like, based on what he was talking about. It's it's mainly a a show focused on ah Hal Jordan and Jon Stewart.
01:14:57
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so like their And their relationship, which is very Woody Harrelson and... and Matthew McConaughey. And I thought it was interesting that Chris Mundy specifically points out that it is similar to True Detective. Like he mentioned it himself. It's not like there that the marketing team just said it. It's he seemed to imagine it like that. And I really like that because the best thing about True Detective season one by far is the relationship between those two guys.
01:15:19
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Because Matthew McConaughey is a right up crazy person in that show. And it's very, he's very entertaining to watch. That was the McConaissance, you know, that was the Matthew McConaissance at the time. Like he brought out mud and then he was in true detective and then he was an interstellar right after. It was like this, like Matthew McConaughey, like hit the scene and and he was like really killing it.
01:15:39
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And like that 2013, 2014 period. crazy. um it's true like of that old that's crazy Yeah, it's crazy, eh? Right when we started working together, I think, right? Yeah, 2014.
01:15:51
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twenty four and People were talking about it at the time. but That's crazy. But yes, it's Hal and John with ah Guy Gardner sprinkled in. It's designed as well. And I love this fact because it looks like they have a plan. Although if you're Vince Gilligan, you don't need one apparently. But ah for most showrunners, I think it's a good idea to have a plan.
01:16:11
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And it's designed as a multi-season show. Okay. So they have that in mind, which I think is really, really interesting. So they they kind of have a plan for the overall... arcs, which I always love because I like this idea that they know where it's going to because then they all also can set other things up as they end other storylines, which has been a problem in many different shows There was a show was thinking about it was a movie that I was thinking about recently that really... Oh, this is what... No, this is the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
01:16:41
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Marvel Cinematic Universe... i never I don't think I said this on this podcast. The problem with the Marvel Cinematic Universe is that they ended a storyline and they had no plan to continue. They know they had no... like They had no like adhesive pulling the rest of the universe together. So the the way that they should have done it is before they ended the Thanos, like the Infinity Stone storyline, they should have already had the other villain and the other stuff already set up before they ended it. There's a lot of shows. i always use this as some example. but if i feel like they might retcon that, eh? With the endgame re-release. Maybe, yeah, because they got extra scenes. Is that what you mean?
01:17:20
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Yeah. Yeah, it'll be interesting. But that that's a mistake. like I agree. Because that's that's what lost people their interest. And I think there' is a there's ah there's a popular, again, YouTuber slash podcast host we listen to that talks about this with Destiny, the video game, which is interesting. like It ended.
01:17:38
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Destiny 2 ended after the final shape expansion. And it's just like, that's a bad mistake then. You made a mistake. You should set up a really, really compelling storyline before you end another one. Person of Interest does that really well as a network show. Chuck, i don't know if you ever watched Chuck. It's such an interesting show.
01:17:55
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no That show did a bad job of it where it basically ended a storyline and had no plan. It's like they thought the season, that it was going to be the last season or something and it looks like they just didn't have any idea where it was going to go. And that's that's a terrible mistake.
01:18:08
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And so I feel like I sure like the leftovers had a plan lost notoriously didn't. They thought it was going to end after season three and it shows a little bit, although I love the rest of the lost as well. After season three, I think David Lindelof is a pretty talented or a skilled writer, I should say. And he, he knew what where to go, but so I like a lot.
01:18:28
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I agree completely. That they, they created as a multi-season show and they know where it's going. Um,
01:18:34
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I think I said this already sort of, but it will be like True Detective in the way that it connects the timelines and it impacts the mystery and and then connects the two space cops together, John and Hal. um Another point is it's in and it's an earthly mystery despite the space cop part of the lanterns.
01:18:49
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So it's it's very earthly focused. um And the quote from Chris Mundy is this, quote, we wanted to tell an on-earth an on-the-ground story story, and that has a couple of different mysteries inside of it.
01:19:03
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What we have going for us is that it's a Green Lantern story. They can conjure anything from that ring. They do go off the planet. they're Wow, I don't think I read that part before. There's all all these other powers that they have. We want to use everything that's great about the mythology of the Green Lanterns, but at the same time, we want it to feel like an up so upscale mystery, a very emotional mystery.
01:19:25
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tangibly a tangible story about these people that are in it. Unquote. That's pretty cool. I feel like he's saying the right things for me. I don't know about you. but I agree. No, man. Yeah, that seems interesting.
01:19:39
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Um, uh okay so on on chris monday on on powers um and i think on practical effects in some way but he said is uh quote it's the power of oh i see on the powers from the green lantern ring quote it's the power of creativity to a certain extent which is how i imagine it too you're thinking on the fly unquote um is it just going to be a big gun big hammer Big, big thing. Or are they going to do something like wholly unique, like a big, big, big airplane?
01:20:12
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He continued give you hint. Quote, it's the power of whatever your brain decides will solve the thing in front of you. So we tried to have fun with that. There are times where we use it as a funny thing in the middle of a situation.
01:20:25
Speaker
And then there are times where we use it practically, unquote. Okay. I wonder if it could be small, like you create a key or, don't know, it's ah there's an element of that. I was thinking of the key thing too. I was thinking maybe like a like a little cat to to deal with a mouse infestation.
01:20:40
Speaker
Or you can like think of ah ah you know just a carriage that you're just going to drop on the enemies. Yeah. Or like a big boat. Okay, no. you know No, i don't know where you're going with the big carriage.
01:20:51
Speaker
Where were you going with that? That was reference to Chronicle. Inside joke. Inside joke. I don't really remember that movie that well.
01:21:01
Speaker
It's good. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. Okay. Max Landis found footage film. the chronicle huh i i can't tell if you get my joke or not anyway we're moving on number eight i don't oh you don't get it i don't get it now chronicle as in again i'm making another nerd oh my god not not the film chronicle you're talking about i never want to our chronicle you never watch chronicle uh you don't necessarily have to no i'm not gonna yeah maxon is canceled your brother however not canceled and he wrote our chronicle
01:21:35
Speaker
Do we talk about how Max Landis was writing something for a big studio? Do we talk about that? I can't remember if brought that up or I just ignored that story. I can't remember. I feel like it was I've definitely heard of it. He was competing right now, like within the last month for so and ah some big project.
01:21:52
Speaker
And he was competing with another writer. They were basically going for the best screenplay wins and he lost. I don't know if you lost though because it was controversy. Maybe they didn't. They just arere like this isn't good enough and this this isn't good this isn't good enough. it's It's equal to the other script and this.
01:22:08
Speaker
But if you look at it, I can't remember what it was. It was a big a big project. It was like a big it was like a blockbuster film. I wasn't a franchise that I can't remember now. It maybe wasn't a franchise that I was particularly interested in. Okay.
01:22:19
Speaker
But he was ah big for a while. He brought a lot of screenplays to the to the table. And then he had the... He got me-tooed, I guess. and it was He did. you find something about like yeah He was like abusive to his ah girlfriend or something like that.
01:22:34
Speaker
Did you find the screenplay thing? No... No, I put in Max Landis movie pitch. And the first thing that popped up is a YouTube channel called Up To My Knees. Max Landis pitches his Down Syndrome movie slow.
01:22:48
Speaker
And I'm like, is that? No, that's not it. Here it is. I found it. Exclusive from Variety. Paramount passes on the GI. This is the already passed at this point. I think I might have written something for this but then it got passed on within the same two-week period so like okay doesn't matter then but paramount passed on a gi joe treatment from max landis so they went with the other other writer so he was writing a gi joe they're writing another gi joe movie and aren't they doing like a um gi joe transformers a crossover thing are they are they that's what thought was going on okay don't know i guess we'll see
01:23:25
Speaker
Oh, Jesus. I'm just sitting in darkness. So my screen's burning my eyes. This is something for the comic fans because we're not big Green Lanterns people. That might be very obvious, but it's conversation. um But Thal Sinestro, a Lantern Big Bad, ah big Green Lantern Big Bad, is in the show.
01:23:45
Speaker
But he may not be the core villain. And and Chris Mundy's staying kind of quiet on this. He doesn't want to give away. So, quote, he says, obviously in the canon, Sinestro is the big bad. The thing that interests ah interests us in this idea that Hal was trained by Sinestro, Hal is training John now.
01:24:04
Speaker
In the coaching tree, we're very interested in what gets gets passed on, what doesn't, how much is human nature. We talked a lot about programming and parenting and training. What did Hal take away from Sinestro that was good or bad?
01:24:18
Speaker
It brings us... a lot of interesting worries. I gotta say, the more he talks about this, it makes me more interested. I am very intrigued because he's just like, he's rooting this very much in a grounded, very like relatable spot.
01:24:36
Speaker
And i really like True Detective. And this is ah a really cool, like a grounded superhero story like this is kind of rare in that it's also rated MA and there's this not much like that. Like if you look at Daredevil, Daredevil's rated MA, not that grounded. I mean, the guy superhuman in many ways. Yeah. So I am, this is incredibly intriguing.
01:24:58
Speaker
I don't know. I really like how he's talking about it, he's thinking about it. I think he's got a big, a pretty solid writer's room with Damon Lindelof as well. Yeah. Any thoughts on this? No, I think that's really cool. And I mean, it kind of goes back to what you were saying is thinking ahead, like having a plan.
01:25:13
Speaker
Right. And I feel like um specifically you brought up Endgame, how like there wasn't a villain set up. And obviously it seems like Sinestro not being the core villain, at least in this first season, I think can lead to, you know, him.
01:25:28
Speaker
being a lingering presence throughout you know the first season or two until he is kind of the main focus and the main bit bad. so Yeah, it's cool. i think And then this is the last bit. Oh, sorry. Go on.
01:25:39
Speaker
Spit it out. No. no No, I don't want to change the subject. What were you saying? That's it. I don't remember what else i was going to say. Oh, I'm sorry. It's okay. I messed up. I messed up bad. All right. Well, the last piece is that they're keeping the show fairly grounded,
01:25:55
Speaker
It's space cops working with the local sheriff. It's medium to low visual effects because they want to keep the series rooted in a relatable reality. And so I read the last bit and I paraphrased, but, um, but they did say the medium to low thing about visual effects. So they're not going really heavy on the visual effects. Hence the fact that there's no green in the first trailer, I guess. Okay. But they're bringing green. There's going be green. Everyone don't worry. it's just the trees though. Green is coming. It's just the trees.
01:26:20
Speaker
Yeah, the trees. There's going to be green in it. but Yeah. the Trees, the grass. Yeah, we're nause're not going to tone it blue like Ozark yeah and remove all green. Everything's kind of blue in that.
01:26:32
Speaker
It is. There's green, though. Just saying that, I literally pictured a scene. I'm like, you're right. That is a very blue show. It's very blue. It's great. What was the show? Oh, yeah. Blue and red. It's... um Red versus blue. week the Yeah, Red versus Blue. That was like that YouTube show.
01:26:49
Speaker
Yeah, I get it. yeah You know what I'm talking about though? Awake, Jason Isaacs. Awake. The two sides of his is is like his, he wakes up, he goes to sleep, he always is living, but he's like in one side it's more red tone and one it's more blue. What a brilliant show. It's so cool. I wish that was on HBO. Yeah. You know, like they could have gone a little bit harder on it. And like, it it was almost like and it it came out at a bad time for not the golden age of television. Like it wasn't quite where like post golden age of television, i guess. yeah Post the beginning of it, I guess. and I don't know. It's so sad because it's such a great concept and the way it ends is still, it still gets me. I always think about it. That's the way like I even think about that final song.
01:27:29
Speaker
That's for the last shot of that film. i for That show, sorry. It's great. Anyway, that's it. So yeah, Green Lantern. The Green Lantern show. Lanterns on HBO coming out soon. It's supposed to be in the summer.
01:27:40
Speaker
Let me double check the date. But any other closing thoughts on that before we move on? No, no. i I am excited about this, though. I'm curious. Are they going to just like kind of release? the I mean, presumably it's going be week to week. This is an HBO show, not an HBO streaming show, right? Like it's going to air week to week on set to premiere on HBO and Max and ma Max on August 2026.
01:28:03
Speaker
August 16th. So I think that's right around when... House of the Dragon might wrap up. Or just about. It's good timing. It's a good idea. Cool.
01:28:15
Speaker
Yeah, okay. Cool, man. All right. Very cool, man. Moving on to some of the other smaller stories, which this wasn't that busy of a week um for for what we usually talk
Westworld and DC Universe Film Updates
01:28:26
Speaker
about. So I'm just throwing these two out here. But as reported by Variety, Jurassic Park writer David Kapp is writing a Westworld film for Warner Brothers.
01:28:35
Speaker
Interesting. Which It's so weird to me personally, but I don't know what you, why I don't know. What do you think about this? They just did it. Obviously they did a Westworld TV show that didn't wrap up that long ago. i think it was last season was 2022. Well, that didn't wrap up. No, like didn't it like wrapped up as in it got canceled. Yeah. It ended. It ended. yeah So that's a better way to say, yeah, you're right. It didn't wrap up. Yeah. Wrapped up is a bad term for this. Yeah.
01:28:59
Speaker
I'm just, yeah, it's interesting because I really loved those first two seasons of Westworld. And then I remember like, because there's almost like a, like a soft reboot going into season three. yeah Funnily enough, that's when Aaron Paul joins Westworld as well. And he's joining season three of Fallout, which is the same showrunners. Interesting stuff. Yeah. Season three twice. Yeah. I did see that. Somebody commented on that when I saw the story for initially, it's quite interesting.
01:29:23
Speaker
Yeah. So I just find that, yeah, i don't know. It's intriguing. um It is also funny that Jurassic Park writer David Koepp is writing the Westworld film because um the books are written by the same author. um Yeah.
01:29:37
Speaker
Why am I? The name escapes me. Oh, my goodness. um Look it up for me. Look it up for me, Doc. I'm doing it. I can't remember it either. Sorry. It was Park. Something Crichton. Yeah, Michael. No, Michael Crichton. Yeah, Michael Crichton. Crichton.
01:29:52
Speaker
Yeah, C-R-I-C-H-T-O. Okay, cool. Cool, cool, cool. I thought of that on my own. No help from you. ah But I don't know. It is intriguing. like i Again, I really like those first two seasons, and then I just kind of fell off on the third.
01:30:07
Speaker
But I think the first season is so masterfully done. And again, season two, it gets a little bit wacky, but it's still really high quality. And I'm just, how do you...
01:30:19
Speaker
create now a, you know, two hour long movie. It was better than the first season. That's exactly, exactly. Right. So it just, it is immaculate. I want to say that like, yeah, you can just watch the first season and just not watch the rest. You can watch the rest. It's not that bad. It's fine. Second season is really great. Third season is like, what are where are you going with this? It's too short. You're rushing things. You don't even have enough episodes. Season four apparently is better. And I got to go back and watch it. It's on Crave still. I just got gotta to go back and see it. It's, that's my bad.
01:30:48
Speaker
Um, Apparently it got better. I just feel like they rush season three and I don't think it has enough time to really realize the stories they're trying to tell. That's my issue.
01:30:58
Speaker
But just watch season one. that i don't think you're going to beat that show. Telling the story of Westworld in any medium you ever try to do it.
01:31:09
Speaker
I'm sorry, but I don't think you can do it. I did think it's going to very hard. That show is incredibly good. It's actually been maybe one of my favorite shows. The problem is it's – what am I going to just say? Oh, it's one of my favorite shows, but it's just the first season. The third season is very average, and it's not bad, but it's it's not – It's not in the same lineup as like a Breaking Bad from season one to five. Season one to six, sorry.
01:31:33
Speaker
Where that show is excellent throughout. Or Better Call Saul all the way to the end. Or Leftover season one to three. yeah It's more similar to a freaking like 13 Reasons Why. Where I think the first season of 13 Reasons Why is genuinely immaculate. And then season two, it's like, oh this isn't as good. And then the third season, I'm like, this is fucking bad, actually. This is bad. And then I just like fell off of it entirely. Yeah. That's different a little bit because that that does get bad, I think, more so than season three of Westworld. like i think I think season three of Westworld is still high quality in some way. I just don't think they completely thought through how they were going to go from season two to season three because it just feels a little bit half-baked.
01:32:12
Speaker
They took it out of the oven too soon type of situation. Yeah. It's still okay. But yeah, but but to your point, it kind of besmirches 13 Reasons Why. It's hard for me to recommend it as much because then I have to like – I don't want to add a little asterisk on every time I tell someone like I recommend it like, oh, you should watch 13 Reasons Why but also don't watch season two because it's not as good and season three is even worse. Just watch the first season. Like just watch the first season. That's all you need. Just watch the first season. It's cool, but i don't like the asterisk and it I don't think anyone does. It's like, oh, so it's not that good. No, no, it is really good. Like Westworld also, it kind of ends really well at the end of season one. Like I could have, you could have ended it and it would have been fine.
01:32:49
Speaker
That's what a wake is actually. he's bringing back a wake. It's like it wins. It's only one season could got canceled, but they knew they were going to get canceled, which is a privilege, by the way. That rarely happens on network TV. And they got to end their plot line. Their arcs ended in a beautiful way. That's crazy. So season one of Westworld kind of ended in a weird way. And then they just left room to continue it. It could have been a miniseries.
01:33:10
Speaker
yeah And it would have been maybe believed to be better than it was if it was just a miniseries maybe. But season two is very good. I do think that. like there's a there's ah There's an episode in season two, I think we both think of the same one, that is just one of the best episodes of that series, actually.
01:33:27
Speaker
In season two specifically. I think it's like episode six or seven or something. I don't remember. Seven seems right, but seven always seems right, you know? yeah Yeah, sure. yeah But yeah, it's really good. So that's exactly my point. that's that's what i when i wrote When I put this in here, I was like, are you really going to write a bit you're going to fill in an hour and a half and be better than the then Anthony Hopkins and frigging Ed Harris?
01:33:52
Speaker
going at it i don't think so dude good luck yeah you're not gonna beat it yeah um and oh what's oh man she's so good oh evan uh rachel wood evan richwood thank you yeah yeah she's so good man she's so crazy good and she's not in that much lately she's kind of she's been doing music stuff i think that's why oh okay um but yeah yeah evan rachel wood it' so good it's crazy yeah yeah the entire cast is is remarkable in that show oh it's amazing yeah oh tandy tandy tandy newton think it's tandy or tandy
01:34:26
Speaker
the andy newton is is how i always said it because it's also from th mission impossible 2 yeah where he climbs the climbs a rock he does climbs a rock dude you know what i'm talking about you know at the start yeah okay yeah okay good i think you're making fun of me you know what i was didn't know what was saying okay yeah knife knife close to the eyes those 90s glasses yeah Remember when he's when he's like that and then the night's right out of his eye? Oh, yeah. that's It's so close. It's so absurd. It's so dramatic.
01:34:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, it's good. That movie's not particularly great, but. That's the worst one for sure. By far. By far. like It's all entertaining yeah still entertaining. still entertaining. But yeah. Yeah. The first one I feel like is more entertaining despite it having like a lot less of a kill count anyways we're going off on a tangent here but uh a lot less than the first one what he talking about the kill count it's crazy that one they kill off a lot of like that that the main cast quote unquote yeah it really is but like it's it's actually quite quaint when you really think about it on the amount of people that die compared to i think even the second one like way more not main cast but main way more people in general die oh i was almost gonna say npcs
01:35:40
Speaker
Yeah. but like you know i' character Like background people, background. Yeah. Like the actual people in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's like the, you're right. The mission is less impossible. Like it's, it's a less, it's less high stakes, I guess, for what like the stakes are going to be for lives lost. Yeah. Yeah.
01:35:57
Speaker
Potentially. Yeah. That makes sense. But, okay, cool. And yeah, I don't know. I'm just curious what, like why they're like, yeah, let's do this. Cause like, you know, like I could almost understand, but like from like a commercial viability standpoint, if I thought this was a commercially viable, like film, like do do you think Westworld has that much pull?
01:36:16
Speaker
No, exactly. Yeah, exactly. It would only have pulled because of the fricking show, which was exactly again, amazingly done. So like, are you going to, am I going to go see this in theaters? Probably not. If it's a 95 on Metacritic, we sorry, on Rotten Tomatoes, I'd be like, yeah, I'll go see it.
01:36:31
Speaker
But I don't, I do think Jurassic Park is well-written. like I think it's relatively well-written. I love Jurassic Park, I think it's yeah it's like a classic Spielberg film. you know it's It's really, really well done in in a lot of ways. It started a huge franchise in a brilliant way. like That first movie almost doesn't get enough credit because it's so far back and there's so many movies in that franchise. like It could have just been a one-off, dude. It could have just ended and you're like, yeah, this is a great blockbuster. Here it is.
01:36:57
Speaker
But like Westworld's pull... is definitely the show now. I would have left like a 10-year gap between the show and it before you even try to try to do like try to write this. I wonder if David Koepp saw, did he watch the show? That's my question. Did he watch the HBO show? It makes almost worse though, dude. That would skew him, yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
01:37:17
Speaker
But he probably did. It's interesting. I like this. I read the novel and I liked it better. Is that what it was? Because it's obviously a movie. There was a Westworld movie. You probably know this. From like the 40s, right? Wasn't it like way back in the day? I don't think was the 40s, but yeah, it was a long time ago.
01:37:34
Speaker
West world. Anyway. 70s, 1973. nineteen seventy three Essentially the same time when you really think about it. Yeah. It's all history. Yeah. um One of them was right in the midst of the World War II and...
01:37:49
Speaker
yeah the 40s no like Jurassic Park is phenomenal don't get me wrong but this like David Kemp also wrote Jurassic World Rebirth and I enjoyed that movie yeah is it well written fuck no dude no it's not the worst one because I haven't seen the other two I haven't seen two and three or I did see them in chunks I didn't see the whole thing so you could you could tell me you could assess it better than I I don't think it's that great. It's Jurassic World Rebirth specifically.
01:38:13
Speaker
I think it's like the worst one I've seen the whole of. don't know. perspective. I don't know. yeah i go I'll re-watch all of them. I'll re-watch all seven Jurassic Park movies and world movies and I'll let you rank them?
01:38:25
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right, but moving on. According to Deadline, Peacemaker director Greg Mottola is a frontrunner to direct a Bane and Deathstroke-centered film for James Gunn's DC Universe. wow Moon Knight writer Matthew Orton is reportedly writing the screenplay to this villain-centric film.
01:38:44
Speaker
Okay. Adrian, it's been a while since we saw Bane, I suppose, and we've never really seen Deathstroke. Yes, brother. Yeah. we seen We kind of saw him for like five seconds. And I feel like.
01:38:57
Speaker
Well, he was in Arrow. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was awesome in Arrow. They did a really good job in Arrow. Yeah, that was like the best part of about Arrow. actually yeah Arguably. I think the actor who played him did a great job. What was that guy's name?
01:39:09
Speaker
I want to say Joe Manganiello, but that Joe Manganiello is the DC. He got burned. Yeah, he's the I think he got burned a little bit. Wasn't he kind of sour on that? Or is that just a rumor? I wouldn't blame him. I feel like they should bring him back because he does a good job. But the the guy that plays him in the Arrowverse is the guy that that's in Spartacus. And I can't think of his name. he's also in the hobbit he plays one of the big lead or i mean sparticus is feel better than the hobbit let's be real all right let's be real um i don't know if his name is gonna get buried here yeah i think it is he's from australia i think or new zealand a menu bennett menu bennett that's what i said i said it first yeah sure you did a great job excellent yeah he was awesome he was awesome and um
01:39:56
Speaker
I don't know. but Maybe. Yeah, maybe they'll bring back Joe Manganielle because like obviously James Gunn ain't afraid to bring back cast members from the previous flicks. You know that that was pre his DCU technically.
01:40:08
Speaker
So like why not bring him back? Give him a proper chance because I feel like he is he's built for that man. But at the same time. It's 49 years old. na I mean, it could still work.
01:40:21
Speaker
Who did you bring back? Sorry, that was significant. Um, Joel Kinnaman.
01:40:30
Speaker
Yeah, but he used them though. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. um yeah Harley Quinn, I guess, too. But he didn't bring Harley Quinn back yet. you were I see for the new DC universe. But I think like he likes the casting in that Suicide Squad movie and enough. well i mean I mean, Margot Robbie kills it.
01:40:51
Speaker
I know. Joel Kinnaman does, too. i like I really like Joel Kinnaman. I think he does a great job in everything I've seen him in. i'm Again, I'm obviously watching Pro Mankind right now. and He's got a role that. He's in that show, I heard. he's her Dude, should watch this show.
01:41:05
Speaker
should watch this show. I'll watch it. But you shouldn't watch it because I don't recommend it to you. But you know what i'm saying. I'm recommending too many things to you by accident. like It's okay. worry it, Don't worry about it. Because you're never going to watch the thing I recommended, which is really short and easy to watch. But no, couldn't do it. What is it? I played a whole game for you. In Glorious Bastards. whole goddammit.
01:41:22
Speaker
Dude, I watched something that you recommended as well. so You recommended Slow Horses, and I watched that. I didn't recommend it. i so i taught i did not recommend it. i said I don't recommend it to you. Just like I don't recommend From and Kind. I recommend it Inglourious Bastards.
01:41:35
Speaker
it's It's just it's not on something. I guess I could just buy it. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah, we've had this conversation at least three times on this episode. And then you go, oh, is that what it is?
01:41:47
Speaker
Yeah, you son of a gun. Well, it's just because I done it for you. No, you wouldn't have. I bought the game on the show. i bought the game yeah on the show Anyway, wouldn't um i can i can actually watch with this is no by trying Super Channel for free.
01:42:04
Speaker
On Apple TV. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I'm going it. I'm going to start watching it right now. Literally right now versus as we speak. Okay. ah Yeah, I don't know about this. This is very strange.
01:42:16
Speaker
I kind of like i want to see more of this DC Universe that's not Superman. Especially in films. Like obviously we got Peacemaker. That's not Superman. Yeah. Creature commandos. Maybe it's not what's not Superman. I want to see more. no mean That's a bad description. I want to see more of it that's not James Gunn.
01:42:34
Speaker
Because that's the worrying part. I like what James Gunn's put out every single time since Super for me. I think he's just, he's had a hit streak beyond hit streak. is that He's done a great job.
01:42:49
Speaker
Yeah. Overall. And I just don't know what does it look like when he's not completely involved in the directing process. I think Clayface is going to be the first one.
01:43:00
Speaker
And that's this year. Oh, shit. Damn it. but you got We just talked about it. We literally just talked about this. Yeah. And and also Supergirl, dude.
01:43:10
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Which is like one imminent. It's in June. Yeah, that's true. Which we didn't talk about, so I forgive you for... Yeah, but to be fair, like Supergirl, it's still like...
01:43:22
Speaker
James Gunn did cast her, and I feel like it's probably you know it's based off that, right? like I think greg Craig Gillespie's kind of like going off of what James Gunn has brought in prior. But he didn't write it or direct it.
01:43:32
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're right. there's a There's a blueprint aspect, and it's Superman. The Superman aspect, that's to what I said initially. That's not a Superman-related property was where I started. You're right, exactly. It's got tendrils in the James Gunn. I am right. You're right. Thank you. Yeah, Clayface.
01:43:47
Speaker
Lanterns is really the first one, though, because Lanterns is really – James Gunn hasn't really talked about that. Actually, it's kind of interesting. He's kind of kept it. Like he's like, let them cook. They'll do it there. Look, it's, I got Chris Mundy and freaking Damon Lindelof. I think, i think we're good. I'll let them do what they want. They're passionate.
01:44:06
Speaker
Exactly. But um yeah, and know I'm curious about this Bane and Deathstroke film again. i'm Who are they going to cast? We'll see that. um My only worry is I don't like I don't really like Moon Knight, man.
01:44:19
Speaker
I did not like that show. I don't think Moon Knight's particularly well written. i think it's fine. um So notice no disrespect to Matthew Orton.
01:44:29
Speaker
I don't know his other work. But Moon Knight, I just did not love. So, he's like, I do very love, though. I do very love. look at this element of it that, like, how many of these villain things, especially serious, self-serious villain things, have worked?
01:44:45
Speaker
And I'm just like thinking about even not self-serious in like, I could talk about Suicide Squad, but there's a specific movie maker that's kind of done a really bad job when they drew like, we're going to take these smaller villain characters and make them popular.
01:45:01
Speaker
And it's Sony. i I can't help but think the Sinister Six attempt was such a failure in every way with like from Morbius to the Venom movies, which was just very average to bad in some ways. And then you got like Kraven the Hunter and Madame Webb.
01:45:20
Speaker
Like these characters. Madame Webb wasn't even like connected to the larger universe. Weirdly enough, it was in its own. It was in its own thing. To be fair, I didn't watch that. I didn't watch Craven. didn't watch Madam Web. I didn't watch the worst one. The third one.
01:45:34
Speaker
They say that you're right. We didn't see it, though. But we got tired of it because it's nonsense. The question is oh what are you when are you pulling at things that don't... Like, are you... Greg Mottola and Matthew Warton, are you as talented at pulling random characters? the Again, these are arguably bigger than any of the Guardians of the Galaxy.
01:45:53
Speaker
um Now they're bigger. The Guardians the Galaxy are huge now. But they weren't back then. I think Bane and Deathstroke were much... more at least combined, were like a better known property or entity than the Guardians of the Galaxy were before James Gunn made a Guardians of the Galaxy movie and made it popular.
01:46:09
Speaker
But are you able to make this something good? Is there any a good idea here of how they're even connected in a way that makes cohesive sense for the for the DC universe as a whole? But then again, will James Gunn let you do this if the script is shit? and I think no. So I'm not sure it matters because he seems to have a good like hold on the reins.
01:46:30
Speaker
But that's always the kind of the question. like what do you When do you like let off the reins? Are you letting off the reins with lanterns? And will that be good? I don't know. This is the easiest question. I guess we'll find out. So far, everything that he's been a part of has been positive. So we just got based on previous trends, James Gunn.
01:46:51
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No, but this is so unrelated James Bond. He still has his dendrils in it, right? like It's still his universe, and I'm sure gets the final say. so I think we'll know after Lanterns is my point, though, because we'll know when where he's not as hands-on. You're right. he had't he He hired, he casted... What's her name?
01:47:11
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almost said Millie Bobby Brown. That's not her name. Millie Alcock. Millie. It is Millie, too. Oh, my God. It is Millie. Millie Alcock, yeah. Who... It was great in the moments we've seen her as Supergirl, to be honest. And she's really good in House of the Dragon.
01:47:26
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She's phenomenal in House the Dragon. So there's like, that's great. But he casted her. So you're right. That's got the lanterns in Clayface. Those two things will make that will kind of set the tone for what the. Yeah.
01:47:39
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This universe will be. Anyway, I'm excited for Clayface, dude. That looked awesome. That trailer looked fucking awesome. Yeah, it's great. It's cool. Super cool. really grounded.
01:47:50
Speaker
That's what's interesting. yeah Like it doesn't look like it's part of the DC universe at all. But he mentioned something that I think this is a, this takes the clay face movie takes place before creature command us or is it after?
01:48:02
Speaker
But it doesn't matter because like the universe is still messed up. like There's a lot of shit going down. So like where where does this take place? and Where? What city? Is it Gotham? Makes sense it would be Gotham, I guess. So the Clayface movie is a prequel confirmed by James Gunn as chronologically first- the chronologically first film in the DC universe. Who's directing it again?
01:48:25
Speaker
Is it somebody you're interested in as a director for horror? No, but it was written by Matthew or Mike, Matthew, Michael Flanagan, Flanagan. Oh, Mike Flanagan, Mike Flanagan.
01:48:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah So yeah, it acts as an origin story, likely taking place in Gotham during the early stages of the DC universe.
01:48:51
Speaker
OK, so it's written by Mike Flanagan, but not directed by him, though. No. OK. That's cool. All right. Now, time to move on, Adrian, to a segment of our show that I like to call a Look to the Future.
01:49:08
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portion of our podcast where each of us present at least three of our picks for the TV series or movies that look most interesting to us that are releasing between the dates of May 19th and June 1st, 2026.
Star Wars and Upcoming Film Excitement
01:49:18
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As is customary, you go first. What is your first pick for things coming out in this bi-week Adrian?
01:49:27
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Simon, I'll take the easy one, man, which I'm actually kind of intro intrigued about this movie. It's coming up soon. i think me, you, Ken wants to watch it. Even my wife wants to watch it.
01:49:38
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Yes. I don't know if your wife will want to watch this. The Mandalorian and Grogu Star Wars movie coming out on May 22nd. Doesn't seem to be tracking all that well box office wise.
01:49:50
Speaker
Oh, really? Yeah. Apparently, that's what I kept on seeing these these articles pop up in my face. I didn't read them too deeply because I'm trying to just kind of go into this. But I'm i'm quite excited about this. Like, yeah it's been a while since we've had a Star Wars movie in theaters a very long time.
01:50:04
Speaker
And now I'm kind of just like, I'm ready for it. you know i watched Andor last year. i i messaged you because they're adding the the Star Wars out. What is it? fuck Star Wars Outlaws. They're adding that to PlayStation Plus. I'm like, maybe I'm going to play this in the week leading up to it. get Get a little bit more hype into my Star Wars stuff. and Okay.
01:50:24
Speaker
If you play Star Wars Outlaws, here's my advice. Tell me. Just... I would say you're playing a lot of games right now. Just be careful. It's an open world game.
01:50:35
Speaker
It's a bit overwhelming because it's open world. It's a big Ubisoft open world game. It was obviously... Not reviewed as well at launch. It's improved quite a bit. I think it was good at launch, personally. I think people were very hard on it. I think it's the most underrated game from 2024, personally.
01:50:54
Speaker
Like as a blockbuster, AAA game, not not like a small game. I'm not comparing every game. yeah um Because it is it is very underrated from a critic's standpoint and it's sold really badly. My point is, keep an open mind because you liked...
01:51:08
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Assassin's Creed Odyssey, which I'm surprised about, but I think you would like this more because it's got more tendrils from ah Uncharted than you would imagine. So if you're like, I'm feeling overwhelmed, just kind of go along the storyline and I feel like you'll feel the Uncharted tendrils because there's elements of it being like this kind of adventure game. Not adventure game, like Gone Home, but know what mean? Like an action adventure. I get where you're coming from. I'm in the mood for something like this. Assassin's Creed hit the spot at that time. Right. Because was just kind of in the mood for something. And I think this game is going to hit the spot because like I've been playing play Pragmata, which short, sweet, story based. Awesome. Beat that.
01:51:47
Speaker
And i'm I've been playing Saros. I was playing Hades, too. I was playing Vampire Crawlers, which I finished like a plan today. So I'm playing a lot of roguelites, like a lot of these pick up and play stuff, and I'm ready to kind of go into something and feel a little immersed for a while.
01:52:02
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So I think I'm going to be done Saros. I think I'm going to platinum it by that point. I'm like, I think I i mentioned to you, I'm around 20 hours. I looked, I think I'm at 24 hours right now with Saros. So I should be done it platinum by that point, I imagine.
01:52:17
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And I think it's going to kind of hit the spot. And then um Yeah. The other other things I have on the go are just like very like small things. Like again, I'm playing mixtape with my wife. We're we're halfway through. We've got to finish that.
01:52:29
Speaker
She's playing Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep, but I'm go just like sitting around watching it. I'm going to play like a little like ah indie horror game from ah a few years back called Darkwood. I picked that up because it was on sale for like three bucks.
01:52:40
Speaker
Another game? while You're killing it with the number of games. I won at once i haven't played it yet. I'm going to pick that up once I'm done Saros. Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah, like, Outlawns is really, they also, like, it's also very nice on PS5 Pro, especially now, because they did the 2.0 update for the, like, the AI upscaler. The pisser.
01:52:59
Speaker
Yeah. So there's that, that will help it too. But it all, honestly, I think it looks really good just regular on regular PS5 pro before in PS5. It looked pretty good. um it It's, it really, it is immersive. It's cool. It's neat. I don't know. I don't want to overhype it because obviously i don't know why people don't like it. I don't really understand, but there's no chance of a sequel because it didn't sell well. Yeah.
01:53:24
Speaker
So it's a, it's unfortunate ending or not really. It ends. It ends. And if you want to play more, there's a deal. There's like a pretty cool DLC. It was like, Oh, also the mini game. So Bach, like the subach is like this game in the star Wars universe. Like it's a card game that they actually play. I think they're playing it in the Han Solo solo movie called solo, a star Wars story. They're playing that in the movie.
01:53:45
Speaker
um but they actually let you play the game they actually designed the card game ubisoft does a really good job with mini games and games i find they they they create a lot of mini games because i feel like they have so many teams at ubisoft that they they outsource it to one of their teams in another country because they brought so many teams spread out across the world um but they the mini game is quite fun i find i know just i like a card mini game dude i like a good card mini game like the amount of hours i spent in um I mean, old Final Fantasy games, or even like Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. ah What is it called?
01:54:17
Speaker
queens Queen's Blood, I think. I played a shit ton of that queen Queen's Blood game, dude. And like again, i like I like card games. I mean, Vampire Crawlers is technically a card game as well. Yeah, yeah. In a way. and you know So maybe I'll play it. I don't know. I'm i'm excited. i'm i'm I'm in the mood.
01:54:33
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I'm in the mood. So I think if I am going to, you know, get into not only a Star Wars game at this time, but also just like an open world game, because again, that's not really my thing typically.
01:54:44
Speaker
yeah um Every once in a while it hits the spot. ah Like i'm I'm in that place. There's nothing really like no game coming out in the the very near future where i got a rush. It's just, you know, I'm into James Bond, so it's good to go.
01:54:57
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. It's cool because again, I always say that outlaws is kind of this mix between like watchdogs uncharted and like star Wars. Like it's like, that's like the combo for me. Yeah. um And so I think that will seven is kind of like uncharted in a large way. Yeah.
01:55:15
Speaker
So there's it's good thing you're not interested in it at the moment because you might actually play the gem of 2024 for me, which was Star Wars Outlaws, which I do like. Nice. Not the not the best game of that year. what was my favorite game of the year? I don't even remember. but um Anyway, yeah, cool. That's a good sidetrack for video games. ah Anyway, yeah, Mandalorian and Grogu, I'm very excited for it too. I i feel like there hasn't been a lot of Star Wars stuff. they've been kind of They've been playing it smart. I feel like they're like kind of holding it holding it back a little bit more. They do have some shows. Obviously they got the Darth Maul show, which is reviewed very highly, by the way. don't know you saw that.
01:55:50
Speaker
It's crazy how well regarded that is. But even Ahsoka, Ahsoka came out like three years ago or something, where it's like a two years ago and it's going be three years before they actually launched the Ahsoka season two, which is crazy. I think it's coming out next year. Not even now. Okay.
01:56:05
Speaker
Which is insane. um They obviously did the Acolyte that didn't succeed, but it hasn't been a film since Rise of Skywalker. I know. Not since Rise of Skywalker, which is a failure, not in a box office way, but in a good way. Like you didn't write something good.
01:56:21
Speaker
yeah I think it is okay at the box office, um despite being bad. And the worst one of the worst movies for me personally. Mm-hmm. But yeah, Mandalorian Grogu, I'm excited for you I just hope they go kind of go back a little bit to the roots of what made Mandalorian cool in the first two seasons. I think season three is the weakest like you do.
01:56:43
Speaker
And so I'm hoping that they do that. I'm curious, how the hell did he get the Razorcrest back? I don't understand how that makes sense. I don't even think they're going explain it. They have to.
01:56:53
Speaker
They got to do that. They have to. Plus, that his other ship is really cool, dude. that That ship is badass. It's the Naboo Starfighter. It's so badass. It's so cool. and they they And they also, in the scene where they're kind of making the Naboo Starfighter, they teased, they had that um the bot from Jedi Fallen Order in it. Oh, the little beep, beep,
01:57:15
Speaker
yeah bb8 no bb the bb8 i can't remember his name but i love that bot because he he waddles he's got little feet as opposed to he's on a he's on a on balls on balls he's not on balls dude he's not on balls that little robot he doesn't have wheels as they say as they say in the business yeah well i don't know what don't know what called it was something some other acronym bd1 b one Big one. Also, I also has like a little cute pet.
01:57:50
Speaker
It's kind of cool. I don't want to sell it. It's bad. It's bad game. Oh, you can pet it. Yeah. Nice. But it's called Nix. It's cool. It's cool. All right. Nix. Nix.
01:58:02
Speaker
Yeah. Where are we? Where are we? What's my turn? It's you, man. I only said one movie, man. Yeah, we're really doing it May 22nd is the date for Star Wars Mandalorian, if you didn't catch that. Yep.
01:58:12
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ah And mine is interesting. I thought you were going to pick this first, actually. I know what you're going to pick. I'm letting you pick this because I know this is a trailer you really liked. And I'm kind of shocked about it.
01:58:25
Speaker
maybe Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know if you know Okay. But it's a movie from Boots Riley called i Love Boosters. Oh, then it's not what thought. It's the next movie from but Boots Riley after Sorry to Bother You, I'm pretty sure. I don't think he's released anything else.
01:58:40
Speaker
This trailer looks pretty cool. It's star studded. I really want to see this. And i think it's like rated really high. I think it's already reviewed. It is. Dude, this looks awesome. I think I saw a trailer for this, but then I don't know if I connected it or not.
01:58:56
Speaker
But then he is a gun Gonzalez was, it was like on a, on a, like a talk show. I think she was on Jimmy Kimmel and she was talking about how she was in it too. and I was like, what, who else, who's not in this? It's really, really cool. It seems like it's going to be neat.
01:59:08
Speaker
It looks like it's the same kind of wacky premise. I was was like, sorry to bother you. It could be amazing. um So i don't know if we're going to be able to see it here because I imagine it won't be in theaters. If Hocum wasn't in the theaters near us, I'm saying, but,
01:59:21
Speaker
But it would be cool to see this. It is coming out the same day, though, May 22nd as Mandalorian and in Grogu. So I imagine that will take precedent. Yeah, they have to choose one or the other to free up screens from Devil Ray's Prada or something.
01:59:34
Speaker
Yeah, I'll message Ken this week. See for I Love Boosters. Yeah, for that one. Are you interested though in I love boosters? I mean, I'm interested. I really love story to bother you. That was, I think my favorite movie of that year. That's why I'm mentioning. I thought also that was my, it was my first pick. I thought you were going say it first only because boots. Riley's story to bother you was your favorite movie of the year. And I don't think he's launched anything else since then. If he had, if he had done another movie in between, it would be kind of less of an impact because we hadn't seen that, but I don't think he's done anything significant since.
02:00:05
Speaker
So that's, what's cool. Um, yeah but But yeah, actually I should probably have what the premise is here. but i think it was like about It's playing at Princess Twin. Oh yeah? theres Yeah, it is. okay okay so could trying to do get that We could watch it at Princess Twin.
02:00:19
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I'm into that. I love boosters on IMDb. Is it 5.6 out of 10? What heck is going on? I never look at IMDb rating. I know. What is up with that though? What is up with IMDb? Who's seen it even?
02:00:33
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know It's 94%.
02:00:36
Speaker
It's user reviews, man. 94% of Rotten Tomatoes. It stars Kiki Palmer, Naomi Aki, Taylor Page, Poppy Liu. He's in Gonzalez. Will Poulter's also in it.
02:00:48
Speaker
The Keith Stanfield. Stoked. Who I haven't seen in a while. I just, just been missing his movies, I guess. Yeah. Don Cheadle apparently is in it. Demi Moore. Wait, what?
02:01:00
Speaker
Demi Moore is the main antagonist. Oh, yeah. That's right. Her name is way down this list. don't know why. She's like to front and center in the trailer. Why am I surprised? Okay. about her presence okay What's your next pick? and this was This must be the pick that i you said I like the trailer for. I'm wondering which one of this is. Oh, I know which one it is. Oh, the horror movie. Yeah, which she went to Oedja for. yeah, yeah. yeah yeah wow yeah this is good This looks cool.
02:01:29
Speaker
And it's another horror movie by a YouTube dude, Kane Parsons, you know, started on YouTube. To be fair, he wasn't making like comedy shorts on YouTube. He was doing this backrooms thing on YouTube, which is really cool. And now it's kind of.
02:01:44
Speaker
becoming a full-length feature dude and yeah this is this looks neat i'm curious about this i wonder how it's gonna be this is what i have as a tagline for this movie i got i wrote it myself ready for it yeah the back room of this retail shop in composed of the toasters that you suspect are still in stock instead there is some kind of weird ass shit back there yeah that's great that's great i'm just gonna yeah Yeah.
02:02:08
Speaker
That's fantastic. sure it is. Yeah. Sure. Wonderful. Wonderful. You know what I'm talking about though? Like the classic retail experience. Like, is it in the back? Yeah. No, it isn't in the back. I just told you it based on the stock count on my phone.
02:02:22
Speaker
Yeah. It's 2026. Fuck. You bitch. yeah bitch Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, no, that is exciting. That looks really cool. The way it's shot, I imagine the budget on that is less than frigging 5 million at the very least. like they spent it on- actually. Six bucks.
02:02:37
Speaker
They spent it on the actors, I would say. think so, yeah.
02:02:42
Speaker
Backrooms. My choice here, my next choice is a movie called, I'm not sure actually. There's so many things. That's the problem. I guess I'll just go with the show. Spider Noir comes out May 25th. That's the Nicolas Cage starring a spiderman sp Spider-Man Amazon Prime show in black and white, which is pretty cool, but it's like a nineteen fifty s detective drama, but with Spider-Man.
02:03:09
Speaker
in black and white and Nicolas Cage stars the Spider-Man. It's a wacky, wacky, cool thing to actually have them make. It's shocking that they actually greenlit this in the first place. And this is something that I think I'll go out of my way to watch week to week only because thank you for greenlighting this is basically my my the moral of the story. And and i'm kind of I feel like I'm I don't know how much he cares about superhero stuff anymore just because it was a thing in the past, but I'm, I'm happy for Nicholas Cage a little bit. Cause I think he, he wants to be in superhero things in some capacity. He wants to be in lots of things, but um he obviously wanted to be Superman and that didn't go through. And so he got to be a superhero in a pretty big way. And like the, the most wacky Nicholas Cage way possible.
02:03:53
Speaker
But yeah, what? was just the singing a song for you. Oh, okay. What was that? Enrique Iglesias. Why?
02:04:05
Speaker
I can be your hero, baby. Oh, I see. Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome, dude. But yeah, I'm very excited about this as well. I'm maybe not excited. I'm definitely intrigued. I'm curious how this is going to be, and like tonally and everything. Yeah. um Are you going watch it in black and white or in color?
02:04:21
Speaker
Black and white. I'm watching it color. I know. i know I know you. I know you, dude. I watched... ah I'm pretty sure I watched... Oh my God. The frick was that?
02:04:32
Speaker
That was, good that was kind of creepy, dude. That was creepy. That was kind of creepy. Something like a water bottle fell in the distance back there. It wasn't a water bottle. was like ah is a, it was rolled up poster.
02:04:44
Speaker
Oh, even scary. Even scary. Ghosts. Ghosts. Oh my God. Whoa, dude. Crazy.
02:04:55
Speaker
Yeah. Speaking of ghosts. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, you were going to say something. I, I don't remember what I was going to say. Spider-Noir or whatever. That's payback. That's payback from earlier when you interrupted me randomly.
02:05:07
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Anyways, speaking of ghosts, Simon, my last pick is going to be also coming out on May 22nd. It's a movie called Passenger. This is a horror movie. The trailer is really good for this movie. I don't know how the movie itself is going to be, but it's like, oh, you're on this road. If you if you stop on this road, there's a spooky ghost and you'll you'll die.
02:05:29
Speaker
Oh. Okay. So cool. We'll see how it is. We'll see. All right. I've got my like a miscellaneous list. Do you have any more or that's it for you? I got a, I got a couple of miscellaneous call. Okay. Just fire them off, fire them off and that I'll go after you. Didn't you do, you didn't do your third yet.
02:05:46
Speaker
Did I do two? I did three. Yeah, I did two. Yeah, right. Sorry. um Okay, my my third is going to be a movie called Tuner, Adrian. We saw this trailer, I think, in tre in in theaters. It stars Leo ah Woodall from White Lotus, et cetera. Uh, but he's like, I think he's deaf and I'm pretty sure that's the premise, but he's a piano tuner. He's able to like tune pianos still. And he basically becomes a bank heist guy. And Dustin Hoffman also stars in this, which is kind of cool. Cause I haven't seen Dustin Hoffman in anything in a while. Um, so yeah, Looks kind of cool. um
02:06:22
Speaker
I don't know. I'll see how it goes. I don't know if it's been reviewed yet, but it does look neat. what's your Yeah, it does look neat. What's your miscellaneous list? My miscellaneous list, there's a movie called Corporate Retreat, which is also May 22nd. This is another like kind of horror comedy.
02:06:35
Speaker
Looks kind of silly and fun. Nothing too crazy. um And that's actually it. Okay. All right. Tuner has been reviewed. Just checked Rotten Tomatoes. It's 93%. Nice, dude. This is the, I don't know. This is kind of stacked. So if you look at this two-week period, that's what I say before.
02:06:55
Speaker
This is kind of a stacked two-week period for things. I couldn't, have i kept like seeing movies and I was like, can't, I got to pick TV shows too because like Spider Noir I have to talk about.
02:07:07
Speaker
The Burroughs is coming out ah on May, ah May 21st. What? What's that? What's that? That's the ah the retirement home – the retirement community Stranger Things show.
02:07:19
Speaker
Oh, okay. really Interesting. With Alfred Molina and Alfred Woodard. Okay. Et cetera, et cetera. So like that that looks pretty cool from like the Duffer Brothers guys. and They're producing it but not show running it. There's also Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed on May 20th.
02:07:37
Speaker
That's Tatiana Maslany's show where somebody she knows gets kidnapped and she's like trying to work through it. its kind of It looks crazy wacky if you watch the trailer for that. It looks... It looks nuts. So I don't know. I'm not sure what's going to end up happening.
02:07:50
Speaker
The Apple TV shows, again, continue to be just really high quality. A show I really want to watch, by the way, on Apple TV that I will get around to, by the way. And it is a horror thing, but it's almost like a horror comedy is the the Matthew Rhys starring Widows Bay.
02:08:03
Speaker
want to watch it. Everyone says that it's like Parks and Rec, but if Parks and Rec was a horror. Yeah. I'm like that. That seems like such a cool pitch. I got to say, Matthew Reese is such a compelling actor to me.
02:08:14
Speaker
Every time I see him in anything, he's kind of like, he looks like a different, he seems like a different person. He looks the same, but he looked, I don't know what it is. I really want to watch the Americans. I feel like that was a show that I kind of passed me by. It was again, another golden age show with, uh, with Matthew Reese. And I think Matthew Reese is in that show. Yeah.
02:08:32
Speaker
And you know, what's her name though? I know who you're talking about from bones. Yeah. Bones? No, it's not the Bones Lady. No. Is it not the Bones Lady? Who is it? No. She's in Cocaine Bear as as a more more recent.
02:08:46
Speaker
And she's also in Star Wars. Carrie Russell. bones lady not a Bones Lady. I've never seen her in anything else. If you're talking about like the main character from Bones, islands I don't know about that actor personally. I'm not a huge fan of her. But Carrie Russell is excellent.
02:09:03
Speaker
To be fair, Emily Deschanel kind of does look like Carrie Russell. Not that much. Okay. Just, just enough, just enough where it makes sense. I'm mistaken.
02:09:14
Speaker
If you say so, but yeah, Kerry Russell, Matthew Reese, I don't know if you've heard this story, but they, they like, obviously they play a couple and in the Americans, but apparently they were hiding the relationship from the, from the cast. And they actually had a relationship post like outside of the show, like as actors, like as people. And so they were, they were hanging out at, at K. Russell's house and there's like an intruder.
02:09:39
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And so they came, the intruder came in there and like it basically stole, stole some stuff, but Matthew Reese scared him away. And then the the police was like, oh, we found your stuff. We're going to come to the set and going to a photo op.
02:09:51
Speaker
and he's like, no no no no no, no, don't, don't, I don't, don't, don't come to the set. Like, just give it to me privately. Because it was his stuff and it was Kerry Russell's house. So it didn't make any logical sense. Like, why would he be over there?
02:10:02
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And so that's how they found out that they were dating. like so They solved the ah HR issue of, apparently. But yeah, they then they got married. And that's the story. They've been in love since.
02:10:15
Speaker
Yeah, Matthew Reese has told that story. like I feel like I so heard him tell it like twice or three times on various various spots, talk shows. Okay. but All right, Matthew Reese. Enough it already, okay? Enough of it already. Enough of Matthew. He's so cool, though.
02:10:28
Speaker
He's a really cool in this, too. Did you see the trailer for Widow's Bay? No. He's good. It seems like he's really good. yeah I don't know. He's got like a thick English accent. And in this, he's American, just like in the Americans.
02:10:41
Speaker
That's crazy. Not that that's so crazy. But in the Americans, he's Russian. Do you find that the more compelling, the the more often British actors are able to pull off or American accents. UK, United Kingdom actors can pull off American accents way better than American accents american actors can pull off.
02:11:01
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Yeah. It's like John Lithgow is such an interesting anomaly that he was cast as Dumbledore. Dumbledore. Because, and Winston Churchill, because of the fact that he he can pull it off and people can believe it.
02:11:14
Speaker
There's like a like a lack of believability, I think. It's just less common. It's not impossible. It just doesn't happen as often. I agree. Anyway. There's also the Nate Bergazzi breadwinner movie coming out May 29th.
02:11:27
Speaker
That's correct. I had that here too. The other one is Power Ballot. The Paul Rudd and Nick Jonas. That's May 5th, dude. It came up with my thing for May 29th. It's June 5th. May 29th is what I have caught here.
02:11:39
Speaker
Well, you're wrong. You're wrong. Okay. I'm telling you right now, okay? Sure, it's not limited release. and not I'm not wrong, necessarily. No, you're wrong. Okay. All right, fine. I'm wrong. Now let's move on, Adrian.
02:11:53
Speaker
Cool. To the closing segment of our show, the trailer, which is obviously our final segment where we each present our favorite trailer of the week. I'll throw it to you first, and then I'll do mine, and that's it.
02:12:06
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Simon, this is an easy one for me. Okay. A very easy one. Yep. This trailer dropped nine days ago, if I recall correctly, from when we are recording this. Yes. And it is...
02:12:19
Speaker
Evil Dead Burn, baby. Evil Dead Burn. This is a fucking awesome trailer. This is terrifying. I'm excited for this movie. It just seems so bloody blood bloody and brutal. um It's cool because they had the, you know, your Red Band trailer and then the Green Band trailer or whatever. And the trailers start very differently. It's like a totally different beginning. And then it like kind of follows the same beat. So that was pretty cool. They had a little teaser for Evil Dead Burn quite a while back as well, which was really awesome.
02:12:48
Speaker
um which was essentially just like a scene from the movie that that like shit's going awry. So i'm I'm very excited about this movie. It's not Fede Alvarez um who did like the Evil Dead reboot slash like the 2013 one. And it's also not Lee Cronin who did the most recent Evil Dead Rise movie. It's a guy named Sebastian Vanacek.
02:13:13
Speaker
And I don't really know much of this guy's stuff. Like I've never watched any of his movies. So I think this is going to be exciting to see what this guy can do with Evil Dead burn.
02:13:25
Speaker
Sweet. Can you guess which trailer I like the most this week? No, I don't. I never even want to guess. i don't even You don't want to guess. you Are you just kidding or you just don't don't know? I don't want to guess.
02:13:37
Speaker
actually don't know what it could be. Is it- There's only one obvious option. It's the trailer maybe of the year. its It's very excellent. Oh, is it the Tony trailer? The Anthony Very good trailer, eh? That was a good trailer. pick That was a good trailer. That was my other one. I have it listed here, but no. Actually, there's a trailer that comes before that one. That's a really good trailer. As I've talked about before, the trailer segment of our show is is honoring the best trailer of the week that we think of the best trailer of the week, but not necessarily going to be the best movie. In this case, I think it might be the best movie of the year. it the one that came out yesterday?
02:14:10
Speaker
Oh, no. for the ah Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey, which is just incredible. Was that within the last couple of weeks? yeah Yeah, you're right. It did. It did come in in last couple weeks.
02:14:23
Speaker
That was a good trailer. It was cool. It was also on Colbert's show. Colbert had Christopher Nolan nolan on. Nolan is rarely very rarely on any of these talk shows. He doesn't go on late night shows very often. Stephen Colbert is wrapping up his show. It's his final week next week. who That's it. He's off the air because of...
02:14:41
Speaker
pretty much i imagine it's because of Donald Trump. I don't know why else he'd be canceled because he's the top rated in terms of reviewed late night show and they claim that he's losing money and they're all the other ones are on the air still. So I don't know how that that tracks from a financials perspective.
02:14:59
Speaker
um But the trailer was featured there. Nolan was on the top on the on that on show bears show and he talked about how um The Odyssey is like one of the first like big stories that kind of a lot of things are rooted in, which is true. and That's kind of part of the inspiration for why Nolan did this. He also talked about what I was talking about earlier about the the new camera, the Keeley, and how he was able to shoot the entire film, which was a big aspiration for Nolan for years. He was able to film the entire movie, The Odyssey, on IMAX, which is really, really cool. But that trailer just looks really cool. People are interested...
02:15:36
Speaker
not interesting, maybe not interesting is a good word. They're annoying online because of certain things about this film. It's so and so crazy. I know. One of the annoying things, it's it's kind of cool, actually, they did this. They consistently chose American accents, even though they have some British actors on there, um which is exactly what I was just talking about, how like Matthew Rhys can do really good American accent. Tom Holland can do a really good American accent. Tom Holland's obviously in the Odyssey.
02:16:02
Speaker
And he's also Spider-Man. Maybe Matt Damon... Yeah, right. Matt Damon, can he really pull off an English accent? So like there's this idea. this John Bernthal?
02:16:13
Speaker
Can John Bernthal do a British? I know. Let me tell you something. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you're – I think you need to bring – your intensity was here, Adrian. I think you need to bring it up to here though.
02:16:26
Speaker
It's a John Bernthal we're talking about. As you said, he brings everything up to the extreme. I love John Bernthal, genuinely. yeah he's great. like He's awesome. But yeah, no, the trailer is really good. i Did you really like the Odyssey trailer too? Yeah, no, it's great. Okay, it looks like you forgot that it even existed.
02:16:41
Speaker
so Well, I don't know why. I feel like I thought I saw it like weeks ago, but ah clearly I didn't. but yeah I saw a few times. i I was in Newbie at the time, so I got i gotta to put it on the big screen. That's something I forgot to do. I just watched this three or four times on my phone.
02:16:55
Speaker
Nice. um so I'm very excited. There was another trailer, though. I liked the Tony trailer because I didn't even know it was about Anthony Bourdain until the end. I don't know about you, but I wasn't paying attention to what I clicked. I clicked it. I'm like, okay, trailer. I watched it. I'm like, this is about Anthony Bourdain?
02:17:11
Speaker
I'm like, this is so, so cool. And like Antonio Banderas is in it as well. It looks really neat. That's a really neat trailer. I think it could be a pretty interesting movie, like a cool biopic. Like I might be interested in watching that, but it's not the trailer I was going to pick over the, over the Tony.
02:17:25
Speaker
Sorry. If the Odyssey wasn't ah up, like if it didn't launch last week, if it launched three, three weeks ago or it's launching in a week, I would have picked Cape fear. The latest trailer for that is amazing. The trailer itself is really good. i don't know if you've seen these trailers. No, I don't know how good this is going to be, be,
02:17:41
Speaker
But a Javier Bardem, man, he's killing it. All right? He's very creepy. he's He's fantastic. He's very creepy in other roles. Like No Country for All Men. He's just like amazing.
02:17:52
Speaker
He's creepy.
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02:17:54
Speaker
Dude, watch the latest episode like the latest trailer story for Cape Fear. i like I think you might get a kick out of it Because it is a horror like a horror thriller series on Apple TV.
02:18:05
Speaker
and ah But yeah, my definite my definite choice, though, is The Odyssey. There's no doubt. Okay, cool. I thought you were going to say that the trailer that came out yesterday that looks fucking awesome called Wildwood.
02:18:17
Speaker
Oh, didn't see that. animated it's like ah It's an animated movie. Looks really, really good. It's crazy. like So it's by this Laika Studios, which I'm not super familiar with these guys. um Well, I'm lying to you. I am. Because they did Coraline and Kubo and the Two Strings. Which I watched Kubo and the Two Strings, which is pretty good. And it's, ah again, a movie called Wild... The animation looks phenomenal. it's claymation.
02:18:42
Speaker
Yeah, and again, this movie has like... Or sorry, this trailer has like 72 million views. It came out yesterday. It's like, what? It's crazy. What? Yeah.
02:18:53
Speaker
I'm looking right at it. It's almost 73 million. Yeah. What? is crazy. I'm gonna go to go the Odyssey trailer because then I have to just compare it. What you talking of about? Odyssey, 47 million. im Sorry, 27 million views from the nine days ago trailer from Universal Pictures. Now, I'm sure there's multiple things. It's spread out, though. Yeah, maybe that other one is just in one spot.
02:19:16
Speaker
That's crazy, dude. I know. What? How is it that many? Okay, cool. Yeah, I got to watch that trailer. I think I saw i think i saw a like a screenshot of it, but I never actually clicked it.
02:19:28
Speaker
Yeah. um so great yes Looks great. All right, cool, man. That's it. That's the toast. that's the That's the toast. That's the tooth. That's the toast. I don't know why said toast.
02:19:41
Speaker
I'm like, is that a new thing? No. I'm just not hip. I'm just a little hungry. little hungry. okay Cassandra was, like, she went to Costco with her mom, and um I didn't go because you and I were going to record. I'm sorry. like but but No, no, it's not your fault. Don't, don't put yourself, don't, don't worry about it, man. I wanted to be here just in case, but there was a chance that she was going to come home on time.
02:20:02
Speaker
And originally she was going to bring me home a Costco pizza slice. Oh. And then it was like, it was like seven, seven 20. I'm like, okay, but're I'm not going to have time to eat this Costco pizza slice. So I texted her. I'm like, can you actually just get me a Costco glizzy instead?
02:20:15
Speaker
Cause that's better to reheat. And then I ate a ah small bowl of cinnamon toast crunch before hopping on this um recording with you. Hold up. A pizza slice isn't good to reheat? It reheats, but there's a freshness to it. I want that fresh Costco pizza slice. A hot dog is never quite fresh anyway, so who cares? It's a fucking glizzy, dude. The bun in the microwave is just giving me a weird thought. That's why I'm thinking of that. Throw that shit in the microwave. What I'm going to do, going to chop a little bit of onions, some pickles, and some ketchup and mayo.
02:20:49
Speaker
Eat that bitch. I don't eat those very often. I like them a lot, but there's like an afterburn. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, i do you I do. You could taste it in your mouth for like at least three hours.
02:21:06
Speaker
It's like, yeah, I got it like. Is it bad though? Is it bad? I'm like, hmm. Oh, that's good. You know, you just get it three hours later. You have like a nice burp and you're like, oh yeah, you know what? That was a good meal from yesterday. But if someone else smells it, not good.
02:21:20
Speaker
Not good. That bad, bad situation. It's only my wife and my my cat. So I'm going to a 10 p.m. fucking Costco glizzy. Yeah. Nice. Oh yeah. It's 10 PM. Oh shit. Okay. Yeah. got wrap that guy up All right. Yeah.
02:21:36
Speaker
That's it for me. Anything you want to tell the audience? No, brother, this was a delight. I love hanging out with you. Thank you for accommodating my my schedule. I told you that ah you know I'm going out of town this weekend, so you're like, you know what, we can do Friday recording. And I said, thanks, man, because I'm doing rock climbing today. And then you're like, well, if you're free today, let me know. I'm like, I can't because I'm doing rock climbing today. And then my friend was like, oh, sorry, I can't do rock climbing today.
02:22:00
Speaker
Like Tom Cruise with the last mission impossible to the best one. we already talked about that. Yeah. But I got, I'm, I'm getting into a rock climbing. So I bought rock climbing shoes and a harness.
02:22:11
Speaker
Wow. You bought, wow. Oh, you're doing the full on belaying. You're not even just doing free. Like the bouldering. And then you have the belaying. ah yeah. going to, going to do the course and learn how to do it properly. Oh, interesting.
02:22:22
Speaker
Yeah. so I just like the bouldering. I'm not sure belaying kind of, There's something about it doesn't really do it for me. The bouldering, though, is good because there there's a challenge for everyone. And who cares how high you you climb? But then again, you're kind of an adrenaline junkie, I think, with these horror films.
02:22:37
Speaker
So it's like I can see why you do the belaying, you know? I like both. I like both. yeah Like, again, I'm not...
02:22:46
Speaker
I'm not the fittest I've ever been, but I've been going to the gym a lot more frequently recently and just like trying to get more active, get me there. And I was telling Cassandra, I'm like, Swole Adrian's coming back. You should ask Simon about him. She's like, I don't need to.
02:22:58
Speaker
I know how he is. So. what does that mean? It means that I'm already Swole Adrian, apparently. And I've been act acting like it. But yeah, check out these guns, dude. So wait, Swole Adrian. Yeah, wow. Wow. What a bicep.
02:23:12
Speaker
Oh, thank you. Wait, hold on a second. She knows how you are in that she's like looking at you and you're like, oh, wow, you he's looking good. Or she's looking at you like this guy is a cocky son of a bitch. one. That one. is that was The second one. The second one. Yeah. All right.
02:23:29
Speaker
Yeah. That's fair. That one. Yeah. Okay. Good to know. Cool. That's it, Adrian. Thank you, audience, for listening to episode 136 of Split Focus, a film and TV podcast. My name is Simon Eadie, and it has been a pleasure to host you alongside my swole co-host, Adrian Pinter. Please join us on June 2nd for episode 137. Good evening to you, and good luck. Take care, everyone. It's been a pleasure.
02:23:55
Speaker
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