140. The Pitt is Overrated

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Speaker: This episode, I review Australian horror movie Leviticus and the long Simon recommended movie Inglorious Bastards. We discuss the rocky start for James Gunn's DC universe while examining the Supergirl film's development struggles. And we talk about the recently announced Emmy nominations and what was overrated. What was overrated? I don't know.

Speaker: i don't know. Trust me, I know. Come on. Come on, dude. Come on. With new episodes airing every two weeks on Tuesdays, this is Split Focus, a film and TV podcast. I'm Simon Eadie. And I'm Adrian Pinter.

Speaker: but Welcome to episode 140. Well, dude, I was waiting for you and you kept on nodding your head at me like an insane person. I was saying go. I was saying go. It was your turn. i don't think it was my turn. Fine, let's do it again. Let's do it again together in sync.

Speaker: Welcome. or Welcome. No, no. I'm not doing this. You do it then. Welcome to episode one four zero. bye yeah

Speaker: Good day, Simon Eadie. Or not a good day at all, actually. Oh! Because I'm not sure if you're aware of this, man. I woke up this morning to some very sad news. Yeah. A frickin' legend passed away, man, the day that we're recording this.

Speaker: Monday, July 13th in the death of Sam Neill. Yeah, it's really sad. I'm very, very crestfallen about this, dude, because Sam Neill is such an integral part of my childhood with Jurassic Park specifically. And um it sucks, dude. This is another one of those like, act you know, like when when a famous person dies.

Speaker: And like, you know, you do – you know, sometimes they pass away and you're like, oh, yeah, that's sad. And then other times you're like, wow, that's really sad. That's impacting me personally on a level that I didn't think it would. Right, yeah. And Sam Neill is one of those guys for me. Yeah. Because, again, I love Jurassic Park. Like, it's one of my favorite movies ever. I grew up watching – Jurassic Park one and three, honestly, the most um like all the time when I was a kid, it was like one of the movies that I would always watch if I got sick or if I was just at home or just if I wanted something I have. I have them on VHS. I had one of those small TVs with a little built in VHS player and then you'd put that in. And, um, yeah, man, I woke up to this news and I was, I was, I was very saddened by this. It seems like he passed away peacefully, although suddenly surrounded by family. So that's always nice, but it was a bummer, dude. It was a bummer. So I thought, don't know, man, like what, what about you? Like, are you a big Sam, Sam Neill

Speaker: Stan, and I know you like Jurassic Park as well, so I don i don't know if he he was that integral to your child as much as he was to mine, because you're you're quite a bit older than me. You're like, you're what, pushing 50? Something like that?

Speaker: Yeah, pushing 50. I didn't watch Jurassic World, Jurassic Park until like way later oh in my life. So i was like late teens, I think, when I watched it. Damn. Pretty sure.

Speaker: I didn't really, I didn't see it until later, but he's cool. I feel like I saw him in the TV show Alcatraz first, which is kind of a strange thing to say. That's funny that you bring that up. That was a J.J. Abrams produced show as well, right? If I recall, that Bad Robot. I believe so. One season, canceled. Jorge Garcia. On a big cliffhanger. Yeah. yeah not not good there and then what else was i thinking he was recently in invasion maybe i did watch jurassic park first it would be weird if i saw him in alcatraz first but um there was he was in invasion and he was completely underutilized and i was so disappointed i'm like you you got this guy to do this and you you didn't even barely use at all what a waste of time that show is just that's like the worst show on apple tv plus but Yeah, Sam Neill, really cool. Yeah, like that film, Jurassic Park is so huge, man.

Speaker: So huge. It's obviously huge now as a franchise, but even just the the, like Spielberg is such an interesting director because he's he's created so many huge blockbusters. um But yeah, Sam Neill just and is integral to that that movie.

Speaker: yeah man yeah i was really sad when i woke up i saw the same news and i was like yeah it hit me too it's like yeah i don't know what it is it's like we're hitting these there's a lot of these actors like katherine o'hera was really sad yeah lance reddick lance reddick kind of broke me a little bit as well that made me fucking very sad yeah it's um yeah that's a good way to start the show song death man high note death death sucks Yeah. People die.

Speaker: Yeah. We're all going to die. It's true. And that's a bummer. It is. It is a bummer. It is indeed. Hunt for the Wilderpeople also. Big call out on that one. Oh, yeah. That movie's amazing. He's great in that too. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's remarkable in that.

Speaker: He's awesome. So, yeah. Yeah. But i'm I'm very saddened about that. I love Jurassic Park. You know, i would I would have loved to see maybe one more movie with him at the helm in the Jurassic Park franchise. I know.

Speaker: I know he came back for your Jurassic World Dominion, which wasn't that great of a movie, but it was still fun enough. But, you know, it's just, it is disappointing. It is disappointing. And God rest his soul.

Speaker: My condolences to his family. Yeah. Yeah. He's in Thor. Thor movies. Was he? I think he was in Thor thor were Love and Thunder for sure. I'm not sure if he was in Thor Ragnarok, but I can't. No, he was in Thor Ragnarok.

Speaker: Who was he? i don't even remember. Actor Odin. Like the Odin fake Odin. fake Oh, yeah. The cameo bit. i Yeah. Okay. I remember. Yeah. So was Matt Damon, which is funny. Because Matt Damon just seemed to cameo in things for a little while.

Speaker: Like constantly. He was just game. The cameo and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, he's excellent. But yeah, okay. Yeah, this is a crazy week for me. Very, very busy this particular week, like this Monday to Sunday. It's just very jam-packed.

Speaker: Just too much to do. You know, dealing with the vet stuff with my dog and lots of things there. And then like my work is like all jam packed in the front of the week. i got I had this like big game night that was like fundraising for Sick Kids Hospital.

Speaker: that was like a huge one. And I got home at like 1230 in the morning yesterday for um from the Oakville, one of the Oakville stores for this fundraiser, fundraising like game night. um Did you guys raise money?

Speaker: I raised some money. I helped raise money for that for it as well. But they raised like $350. It was pretty good. Were you doing PSVR stuff? What's that? Like PlayStation VR stuff? I think I saw you logged on PlayStation. You were you were playing Gran Turismo. I'm like, i think he's doing some stuff. I was. I was.

Speaker: We should move on, Adrian. We should get into film and TV stuff okay like we do on Split Focus, a film and TV podcast. Adrian, what have you watched this week as we usually begin our show? We talk about the things we've watched in the last two weeks because our show airs every two weeks on Tuesdays. What have you watched in this last two weeks, Adrian?

Speaker: Simon, before I continue, is there anything that you want to recommend me to watch? Anything else? No, just anything that you want to recommend me because you want to, because what's the rule? You're only going to recommend me one thing at a time.

Speaker: But I did recommend you one thing. Yeah. What did you recommend me, man? Inglourious Bastards. Which I watched, Simon. It's on Netflix. Oh, it's done. It's been done. I finally watched it. fulfilled.

Speaker: Contracts fulfilled, dude. I'm getting some experience points. I watched it. um Yeah, I watched it on Netflix because they they they re-released it on Netflix. I should have just rented it.

Speaker: Because golly gee, did I enjoy this movie, Simon? The answer to that question is yes. I really enjoyed this movie. I thought this movie is really cool. It's set in 1940s in France, actually, during – World War II, the height of Hitler being Hitler and all that, and um follows a few different character groups, um which is kind of interesting. Most notably, I guess, two. One being the Inglorious Bastards, and then the other being a Jewish woman named Shoshana, and then the people that she's surrounded by. And the the setup of the movie is –

Speaker: And again, it's like this tiny town in France and the Nazis pull up to this house with this guy that that lives there. And I'm sure a lot of people have seen like that meme of Christoph Waltz being like, are you hiding enemies of the state?

Speaker: And that's kind of the setup of the movie. And I mean, everyone knows this. The man won an Oscar for this fricking role for best supporting actor, but Christoph Waltz yeah is so fricking remarkable in this movie.

Speaker: It's crazy. And the way, not not only like his line deliveries, the the writing in this movie is, is superb. Start to finish again, Quentin Tarantino. He's a master at what he does. Um, you this love and feet and being an asshole, um, top three things. Quentin Tarantino is good at.

Speaker: And, um, Christoph Waltz in this is just ah unbelievable. Like his line delivery is great. He's a genuinely terrifying character every time he comes on screen. And there's these constant, or there's these moments. It's cool because I feel like he's not um,

Speaker: he he's used the perfect amount in the movie. So that way, anytime he pops up, there's this feeling of dread that you immediately get. And I think that really like hammer, like really pushes him to just be this like awesome character, this awesome Nazi for lack of a better, you know, like he is a Nazi, but not like awesome in like a good way, but like awesome as in like a great character.

Speaker: yeah, and It's you never know what he's thinking. It's it seems like he's always playing like the the person he's talking to. And, you know, like there's a scene like partway through the movie where he's like sitting down with.

Speaker: um you know, a woman and um you don't know if he knows who she is and like orders like a, you know, a kosher, like a non-kosher Danish and orders her like a glass of milk, like little things like that where you're like, okay, this motherfucker knows what's going on. And it's, it's, it's so well done, man, all of it. There's not a weak link throughout the entire movie.

Speaker: um There are these, know, essentially points in the movie that are just like, or cameos in this movie, like Mike Myers is in this movie as an example, you know, for a very brief role, but like very memorable.

Speaker: um And I just think start to finish, it's it's it's awesome. It's chapter-based as well. So it's very, what's the word I'm looking for? ah Easily digestible because of of the way it's kind of separated and how these – Two plot lines that are kind of moving forward concurrently eventually intersect in the end, like a lot of Quentin Tarantino movies. it's It's awesome, dude. I loved it. this was ah This is a fantastic recommendation on your part. I know you you've obviously watched it again. You recommended it to me. Do you remember? like Was there anything specific that kind of that were that you were like, Adrian's going to love this? Like a specific scene maybe or something that like really was like, got to watch this.

Speaker: Well, you like Tarantino's movies and this movie is excellent. Yeah. And you seem to like Christoph Waltz. And then there's been a couple of times where where you're like, Bongiorno. And that's really what did it.

Speaker: Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. I don't know. I just, I figured you like good movies generally. And I feel like there's like, it was a like a low chance that you wouldn't like this one. this think This one is also, there's also the element of how it ends. I feel like it's really interesting the way the movie completes. Like it's, it's a really neat third act. And so I thought that you, you'd even be impressed with how they,

Speaker: They do it. It's cool. i really I really like it as well. I mean, it's not like it's it's not in my top five movies or anything like that. I really like it. it's It was one of the your blind spots as well. You just mentioned many times, I haven't seen this.

Speaker: Whereas like Indiana Jones, I thought you might like, but I'm like, I wasn't sure of. I thought for sure this one what you would like. Yeah. Because Tarantino's writing is always sharp. The actors are all like on point the whole time.

Speaker: it's just It feels like it's just a no-brainer in some way from that angle. And it's just, there's like there's something over about Tarantino's movies. there's so The dialogue is sharp, yes, but also there's an element of like the violence is so crazy. And I know that you like, like with the shocking violence and things, you just get excited sometimes. I watch you, or not watch you, but hear you beside me in a movie theater. You're like, oh, or something like that. You like that make that noise.

Speaker: You know what I'm talking about? so that's that's also part of it too, which is fair, but that's just a Tarantino kind of feat. And this one is like pretty rocking ride throughout for my what am i remembering. I haven't watched this in many years. This is like a movie I feel like I saw 15 years ago or something. 10 years at the very least. When did it come out actually? It came out in 2010?

Speaker: 2009. 2009. Yeah, so that makes sense. Probably 15 years. That makes sense. Yeah. So cool. I nailed it. Yay. Woo. You did nail it. You did nail it, man. Really? Yeah. Tarantino nailed it is really what happened. I didn i didn't do i didn't do shit.

Speaker: Yeah. But yeah, you didn't do fucking shit. I know. I know. But it was crazy that you haven't watched it. hadn't watched it after i had recommended it for that long. Not crazy. he hadn't watched it because there's just too many movies. I always I we've talked about this before, but this idea that people will be like, oh, oh, you haven't seen that? It's like, oh yeah? you i always am tempted to turn around and say, oh yeah? You haven't seen this, this, this, this this this and this?

Speaker: Like, shut up, man. Yeah. you know I'll kill you. Ridiculous. I'll kill you with this knife, is what you say. How dare you? Bongiorno. Bongiorno. But yeah, really great, man.

Speaker: Honestly, it's funny yeah quite a bit as well as I remember it as well. It's very funny. i think like Quentin Tarantino, I know they're not like comedy movies, but I feel like there is just like an air of comedy throughout all his films. Like ah from again, even like I feel like the hateful eight might be the most serious one.

Speaker: Just trying to think or Django, I guess, because it's literally dealing with like slavery. It's kind of, it's funny too, if I remember. Yeah, it is. Like all of them are funny. And I do love, I want to, I want to point out, I do love that Christoph Waltz won an Oscar for playing one of the most racist people.

Speaker: like I've seen it in, in film, like a not literal Nazi. And then he also won the Oscar for best supporting actor in Django for being like the least not racist person. Right. I love that they, so he flipped roles. That's really cool. Cause there was back to back films. He got to be a disgusting person and then he got to be like a, city like ah a hero, which is cool.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. um But again, everyone in the movies like really great. You know, um, ah Melanie Laurent, who she plays Shoshana, who's one of the integral characters, kind of the arguably the main character in the movie. um And yeah, I just think she's awesome. And her kind of subplot of this almost like a Nazi romance thing, like in in France where she's at with Daniel Brühl's character. And you're like, oh, like maybe there, maybe maybe there is a nice Nazi actually. Like he's just doing his job, which, and again, just little things. Like there's a lot of clever, clever bits in it. Again, Brad Pitt's really good in it. Eli Roth is awesome in it. um Yeah.

Speaker: I just love like the character of the bear Jew. It's just some like, like the buildup to that ah moment, like of the bear Jew reveal. I'm like, this is awesome. um Yeah. Everyone, not a weak link. um And yeah, hyper violent and fun. And I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. Start to finish.

Speaker: Cool. That's great. Yeah, man. Anything else you watched? I've watched two other things of note. um One, I'm going to talk about,

Speaker: Should I do, what what do you want me to talk about? do You want me to talk about a show or do you want me to talk about a movie? Let me know. Should I do a movie sandwich where the show is the meat? Sure.

Speaker: Okay. Then I'll talk about the show. Well, hold on. That doesn't make any sense. Cause then the show is the sandwich. It's a show sandwich. It's a show sandwich. Yeah. I guess you don't say it's a sourdough sandwich, but you know, you do say it's a compliment sandwich and that's wrong.

Speaker: Yeah, that's true. actually Compliment sandwiches, like the they they they for some reason, talk about the bread. as The like it's bread ah bread is the compliments and the meat is the insult or the criticism, whatever. I guess constructive criticism is a better he insult.

Speaker: it Constructive criticism sandwich. It just doesn't flow off the tongue as well. Yeah, but it's not accurate because I'm not eating a a bread sandwich. Okay? Yeah. So you want me to make a show sandwich where the movie's the bread? Yeah, just do it.

Speaker: Okay, wow, don't yell at me. You don't have to shout at me. Okay, I watched a six-episode podcast Okay. okay That's actually a Netflix original miniseries, Simon. don't know if you've heard of the show, Crashing.

Speaker: Not the one you watched with that one comedian, but the one I just watched. Different Crashing, yeah. That's UK-based. It's written and directed by Phoebe Waller-Bridge.

Speaker: It was the lead-up to her Fleabag TV series, if I recall correctly. And it is... Awesome, dude. This is a Netflix original series ah for international markets, but I think it aired on Channel 4 in the UK.

Speaker: And again, six episodes, about 20, 30 minutes each episode, just a perfect bite-sized TV show. I watched it with my wife. She really loved Fleabag. And then again, like I've been meaning to watch the show for quite a while, and we were kind of in between shows. So I thought this was like kind of a good jumping in you know like let let's let's kind of watch this.

Speaker: And um it it centers around like a group of people that that they are – what do they call it? Like property – Not necessarily property. Pardon of me, sorry.

Speaker: What did you say? I feel like there's a delay sometimes because I like talking. You like you you like react way later. It's OK. I just said managers. You're like, pardon me, sorry. It like completely derailed the whole. Yeah. Your whole sentence. Yeah, you did. You ruined it. That's on you. That's on you.

Speaker: Yeah. um they' They're called the property guardians actually. And it's essentially like a ah scheme that in the UK where people can sign up to be property guardians, quote unquote, and they will live in like a, you know, like ah an abandoned hospital that's going to be like torn down eventually. And, but they're there to like, you know, make sure that, you know, the, the the property is in kept in good condition until it eventually is like torn down or whatever.

Speaker: And it's like these, you know group of 20 something year olds, some are a little bit older that live in this and and kind of the shenanigans they get up to. And really the inciting incident, there's like where it starts off is Lulu, who's played by Phoebe Waller bridge. ah She's not, she doesn't live there yet. She's actually going there. And her childhood best friend, Anthony lives as a property guardian in this, in this hospital that they're living in.

Speaker: And he's engaged to this woman named, I forget the character's name. So whatever. um And it's like, they were best friends since childhood. And then it's, it almost immediately becomes like a, will they, won't they? Like, is he going to leave his fiance for Phoebe Waller-Bridge character? But it is, that's not really the main focus. It's, it's just like how these,

Speaker: human beings live in the live together. And it is just as funny as Fleabag, very human, like very real characters with, with a level of zaniness that just like, again, adds to like the comedic factor throughout it um Funnily enough, Jonathan Bailey is actually in the show, probably best known for his role as the one guy in Jurassic World Rebirth.

Speaker: That's the only other thing I've seen him in. think Wicked is where he would be most known, no? Wicked? Is he in Wicked? Yeah. I never watched Wicked. Isn't he in um that other show on Netflix, Bridgerton?

Speaker: Oh, Bridgerton would probably be the well most well-known. Yeah. that's That's a good call. That's a very popular. But anyways, I know him best from Jurassic World Rebirth and then the now this show. And I haven't the things that he's most popular in.

Speaker: But um it's just like, yeah, again, a group of 20-something-year-olds, wacky characters kind of living together and dealing with, you know, like horniness and life and work and just the interpersonal drama in the friend group while – you know, just being consistently funny. And again, I think Phoebe Waller-Bridge always nails that comedic tone with a sense somberness and like sadness.

Speaker: I think Fleabag, like season one is is probably the best example of like, a very like sad, like damaged human being um dealing with, you know, awful stuff while still being hilarious. And then season two is kind of the light that comes out of it. And this show, it leans a little bit more into that season two camp where it's like more light um as opposed to the, the overarching sadness from the first season. But,

Speaker: I'm a big Phoebe Waller bridge stand, dude. Again, i i think Fleabag is one of the great TV shows of all time. This, this show's awesome. Um, I'm very excited about her Lara Croft, like Tomb Raider show.

Speaker: Me and my wife, I think are going to start watching killing Eve after this. Cause she did the, she's the creator of that show. And she, did the first season. And then I know she passed it off to, I think Emerald Fennell and then someone else. The only thing I'm worried about, about killing Eve though, is that apparently it goes downhill quite dramatically. Like the fourth season is not well liked. And that's the final season. The third season is kind of middling. And then the first two seasons are are viewed very positively. So I'm, I'm kind of like, do i do I just watch the first two seasons? Do I watch, you know, all four seasons? So we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker: But, um, Yeah, again, I just, I really like Phoebe Waller-Bridge. I'm very excited again about the Laura Croft show. So I'm curious how she's going to bring her writing style to something more presumably action-based.

Speaker: um you know, action heavy. And i I talked about how my wife and I tried watching the Mr. and Mrs. Smith show and then we kind of bowed out fairly early on. Makes you wonder like how good that show could have been if if she was at the helm and like she was the one writing it. I like Donald Glover a lot.

Speaker: Don't get me wrong, but i just, I definitely vibe with her more than him in regards to the writing style. You didn't love Atlanta? like I really liked the first season of Atlanta, the only season I watched of that show.

Speaker: Right. But I don't remember it as fondly as like a, a fleabag. Yeah. They're both critical darlings. Like both of those shows. So, yeah. so But all I know is I didn't really like Mr. and Mrs. Smith that much. And I feel like I would have probably liked it if she was at the helm. So.

Speaker: Hmm. Okay. Well, I mean, it would have been both of them. So there's that. Well, maybe he would have bowed out due to creative differences. Oh, he would have bowed out instead. You know? Maybe that's what would have happened. Isn't that critically acclaimed as well, Mr. and Mrs. Smith? Like, isn't that a really well-regarded show?

Speaker: um I think so. But not for me.

Speaker: Let's see. That's a 90. Yeah. Very high. What's the audience score? I'm curious. 66. I don't care. Okay. don't score. don't score as nonsense. Well, I care about the audience score when it matches my opinion, Simon. so Yeah. Perfect.

Speaker: um So like it would does you mean it's all irrelevant then the numbers. Yeah. wait it match it It means a lot when it matches my opinion. So yeah.

Speaker: Right, right, right, right. what I'm going to stick with. Okay. All right. Let's get to the bun. Let's get to the bottom bun. Hopefully the bottom but good is as good as the top Well, no, one no, it would be the top bun, Simon. You don't build a sandwich from top down.

Speaker: You don't build a sandwich from top down. That's absurd. Are you starting with the, okay, so this is the top bun. Yeah. It's got sesame seeds. um Yeah, I'd probably put a little bit of sesame seeds on the on this bun.

Speaker: You built the bun. Okay. i've I've made it from scratch. I've i've done buns before. I've made buns from scratch before. Poppy seeds as well? No, I wouldn't do poppy seeds. Okay. I do like poppy seeds, though.

Speaker: Like a poppy seed cake. Me too, yeah. Yeah, that's some good shit right there. Is it true that if you eat like a bunch of poppy seeds and you do a drug test, you'll you'll be positive for opium? Or is that like one of those myths?

Speaker: I feel like it's true, right? But it's just very trace levels, right? Yeah. I don't know. I'm asking you. I don't know if you remember. I asked the question, actually. So I was hoping you could have the answer. Well, you just said, is it true? I figured that you saw, don't know.

Speaker: yeah i get it i get it i just figured that you you saw it somewhere if you look it up okay i'll look it up here while you describe your top on here so what is it okay so my top bun simon i it's another movie i watched in theaters i actually went to the princess twin for this one man oh okay and it is a horror movie an australian horror movie for that matter called leviticus are you familiar yes i'm i'm very familiar how familiar are you you watch the movie as well No, i'm I'm familiar because I literally listed it ah in our segment for what's coming up, the you forgot it it was coming up that week.

Speaker: Yeah. so Okay. So you are very familiar. At that time than you were. Consuming certain poppy seed food products can lead to a positive urine drug test resulting for opiates. Okay. According to ufhealth.org.

Speaker: Crazy. Interesting. So how is levi Leviticus? That's like the the movie in which um it's like it takes place at a conversion camp, right? or am I crazy? Did I just imagine that based on the trailer?

Speaker: So I know where where you're coming from. It doesn't actually take place at a conversion camp. it doesn't. So it takes place in a like a small town in Australia yeah that is very hyper-Christian.

Speaker: Okay, okay, okay. um So... the The conversion therapy is kind of the backdrop of the movie. so But instead of it being like a conversion therapy camp, it's imagine if conversion therapy was there as a weird demon thing out to kill you because you're gay.

Speaker: You're saying it's a metaphor. There's no actual conversion therapy? Because that that was a weird way you described that. There is conversion of therapy, but it's just it's a priest doing – Conversion therapy. So it is. It's just not a conversion therapy camp.

Speaker: Yeah. You're just saying it's like a church. It's like one event. And the guy is like, I'm summoning a demon to get the gay out you, to scare the gay out you. I understand. To beat the gay out you, to kill the gay out of you. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Okay. And it's interesting, this movie. Obviously, this a horror movie.

Speaker: This is a horror movie. This is a horror movie, indeed. And um it's cool – Because the inciting incident of the movie, the way where it kind of goes off from, like the main point of view.

Speaker: Well, yeah, of course. it's they They are gay, the main characters. um the two The two main characters, it's Name and Ryan. Those are the two main characters. Name's kind of the main character. You're following his perspective. And then Ryan is is the guy – That he is, he fancies.

Speaker: um And long story short, they both have ah ah the gay demon trying to get the gay out of them. But the gay demon, the cool thing, this is shown in the trailers. I don't want to like spoil much because there's some stuff that aren't really told in the trailers. But the the the demon thing that that's out to get you looks like the person that you have like a crush on or that you're in love with.

Speaker: So, and they will show up when no one's around. So you might think like, oh, like, you know, name will be like, oh, that's Ryan. I got to go talk to him. And then he like goes there and he wants to do gay stuff with him.

Speaker: And then gay demon Ryan will like try to kill him. And that's kind of like the, how the gay demon works in here. I'm saying gay demon, but I think it's just a regular old demon. i don't know if the demon's homosexual itself, but the kids are.

Speaker: I guess this would be a spoiler because it's probably in the trailer. So the question I have is, is this priest... Just don't answer it if it's spoiler. Is this priest summoning this demon to make them not gay then? That's the idea.

Speaker: they He knows what he's doing. like He's had this be successful because in the trailer, the demon is just going after the... I guess the idea, I thought the idea was to frighten them to not be gay because it's it's in the face of the person who they're in love with.

Speaker: But that doesn't really make sense if it's trying to kill them, as you described. It's trying to kill them. if they so But what the hell why is that going to work? If they're dead, they're not going to not be gay anymore. That's true. They're going to be gay and dead.

Speaker: Yeah, they are. But I think the point is, is like the demon is there. It's almost like a, so ah like a sunk, a succubus or like an incubus. Like it's, it's there and it'll be like, oh, come over here. Let's do gay stuff together. Like, let me jerk you off or something. And then it'll like, you'll like think that you're doing it with the person that you have a crush on or or that you're with. And then it will like try to kill you.

Speaker: So it'll like kind of like come after you, but it's typically in situations like you have to almost like, you know, want to do sexual stuff. At least that's what I got from it. Um, but maybe I'm off base.

Speaker: I suppose the the moral of the story is conversion therapy sucks and doesn't work anyway. So it's the same shit. yeah Yeah. And it's cool. And it's cool because there's also like kind of the metaphor of like how far is a parent willing to go?

Speaker: to make their kid not gay? Like, are they willing to, to lose their child? And in this case, like literally lose them because they might die. And like, what impact does that have on the parent after that?

Speaker: So it does a lot of cool stuff that the, the movie isn't, it it's It's fairly slow paced and it is like it's short. It's like 88 minutes or something like that.

Speaker: Okay. And it does a really good job kind of building anxiety in these more anxious moments. It's not really like a jump scare movie. However, there is there is a jump scare in the movie, a single one. And I went with my buddy, Jackie. I took him out for his birthday. We had a nice little date.

Speaker: went out to dinner and then took him out to ah this movie. And I've never heard a human being scream so loud in a mo movie theater. Like he literally, he got so scared. He's not a big horror movie guy. He likes horror movies, but he, he, he like you admittedly, he gets very scared from the, these horror movies. So um yeah, he screamed so loud and I, I honestly like was like a reason for probably five minutes. I hope we weren't too annoying, but other people around us in the theater were kind of giggling a little bit after he screamed. So I think people got a, a nice, nice, nice um entertainment out out of my pal there.

Speaker: My, my criticism of this movie though, is even though it's only 88 minutes long, it, I feel like it drags on a little bit too long in the sense of like, it does the same stuff,

Speaker: over and over again. It's like, oh like name is like, oh, is that Ryan? um Or is that the the the demon that's going to kill me for being gay? And it's like, and it gets almost annoying.

Speaker: Specifically, you get to the third act and he's like still...

Speaker: falling for it. And I'm like, brother, like how, like, how are you doing this? And I guess the, again, maybe that's another like kind of metaphor. It's like love makes you think rationally. He's meant to be a teenage kid. So again, teenagers are just inherently stupid. So maybe that's the point, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating to watch yeah and how the third act plays out is just, again, in in consistently frustrating with the choices that the character makes.

Speaker: um Because they set rules throughout the movie where the demon can only get to you if you are alone. If you're around other people, then you're okay. um And they eventually like show...

Speaker: like a way to and not, not combat the demon, but again, keep the demon like away from you. And they set that up and they show it. And then he doesn't use it at an opportune time.

Speaker: And it's like, dude, if you're a fucking normal person, you would just be like doing that the entire time. And I guess it takes away from, from the, the, the spookiness. But again, it, it, By the time we got to the third act of the movie, it made me more frustrated than than anything, which is disappointing because I thought the first two bits of the movie were actually really cool. I think the start of the movie is awesome.

Speaker: um And again, like the the tension building throughout the film in the midpoint is really great. But um I think it just fell apart for me. Like it went from like a 4.5 down to like a three by the time I was done with it. So like a pretty substantial drop, um which is a shame.

Speaker: Cause I, again, I think the movie itself is still worth watching again. It's a brisk, you know, 90 minutes and ah just think it fails um in, in landing the ship fully.

Speaker: I do like the ending itself though. Like it's, it's a satisfying conclusion, but again, it's like it There's these moments where it's just the kid doing the dumbest fucking things. And it's like, why, why are you doing this? Like, come on, man.

Speaker: Right. We, we, we, we, we were both in the same movie for the last 70 minutes. Like why are all of a sudden you doing these things? So yeah anyways. Okay. But all in all good stuff. Recommend it out of those three. What's the best thing I watched, Simon glorious bastards.

Speaker: I think it would depend on the day, but yeah, probably in glorious bastards right now, but crashing absolutely remarkable as well. I loved crashing. I love people. All of it. So cool. Yeah.

Speaker: I just figured that crashing would have been like, Oh, this is really good. But fleabag is where she hit her stride. You know? I mean, she definitely did. That's what I feel like would have happened. She definitely did hit her stride with fleabag.

Speaker: Started with start with Crashing, right And then Killing Eve. And then... but Is that right? think... And then Fleabag? I don't know, actually. When did Killing Eve come out? Killing... feel like it's old. 2018 to 2022. Oh, that's way newer than I thought.

Speaker: Fleabag is older, I think, right? Fleabag is like 2017? Fleabag, the first season, was 2016. 2016. So I think he did. her So I think she did crashing fleabag killing Eve and then did fleabags second season. Cause crashing was also 2016. Am I correct? It was indeed. it released 2016 as well. Yeah. Excellent. Okay.

Speaker: Cool man. Cool man. Yeah. What did you watch? You son of a gun. Um, I watched a few things. I will kind of bounce back to them eventually. Cause I think you will have watched, uh, You will have watched one of these things eventually. But there's the other thing I watched, which is this movie you talked about last by – like the last – last by week, I guess, the last episode of this podcast, which is Hoppers. I watched the Pixar movie Hoppers. And it is really good. It's really good. I like it a lot. I think the animation is really great. Pixar just kills it every time in that regard. I do think that it jumps the shark a little bit too much though at the end. Like it just – it does a little bit too much –

Speaker: crazy stuff to the point where I started to wonder, like, how does this world work? Because these like this is ah this is Avatar Avatar, but for animals, as you described it last last episode.

Speaker: But the the idea of the animals being, they're almost too smart. And there's ah elements of that that kind of leech in and make you question, like, how does the fundamental fundamentals of this world work? Because it's it's basically our Earth. But then they're kind of like showing you that these animals are, know, they're almost Toy Story-esque in some way to describe it. um But I don't know. I like it a lot, though. I think it's excellent. It's root truly excellent. and Pixar rarely misses for me from what I've seen of of their output. So it's very, very good. I really, really liked it.

Speaker: Uh, yeah, that's the hoppers. You talked about it last week. I pretty much agree with you on most things. It's not a five out of five, but it is very good for me. That's the only thing I don't agree with you on is it's the perfect score. The masterpiece score, I would say, cause you said it was five out of five. You don't rate everything, but you said this one was, i think you did. You said it was, this one was a five out of five for me. Yeah. It's, it's probably, it's definitely in top three movies of the year for me.

Speaker: Top three. oh Five or five. And it's only top three. well So top ah five of five is Obsession. This movie. ah Hoppers. And then what was the third? Bone Temple.

Speaker: That was a five of five? Maybe it was a four point five out of five. oh but by the way, then top two, top two or three. I don't know what I would rate it right off the top my head. okay I love Bone Temple, though. I loved the Bone Temple.

Speaker: It was very good. It was very good indeed. um The other thing I watched is Star City. That's something you will probably not watch, but you should. It's a spy drama. course like It's basically the the correlated spinoff from For All Mankind.

Speaker: So For All Mankind, of course, is about the the space race in the 60s moving onwards into like the 2000s basically eventually. Yeah. seasons go on like time jumps really really well but the americans don't make it first to the moon and so therefore they can't let it down and they keep the space rate going constantly but the russians make if they're first and starc city is the flip side in showing the russians point of view at starc city okay russia and the soviet union and showing what the soviet union is like how are they're operating in this alternate timeline

Speaker: And how Star City is operating and how everything's like locked down and how the KGB is watching people, watching all the astronauts, watching the engineers and making sure that they're not doing anything. It's more of a spy show, actually, than it is a space show in many respects. And it's kind of like the kind of like that intrigue and the like the mystery of this, like this they again, a spy drama of these astronauts just trying to go to space and explore space is what their goal is. But the KGB being like, no, no, we're just doing this for Mother Russia. And it's really just ah yeah oh you're doing this.

Speaker: it's kind of it's It's neat and it's just a it's it's cool. There's constant surveillance and you're just watching this. It resiffends of many different properties, but in all obviously in House of the Dragon, which is like a big show running now, House of the Dragon fame, I guess.

Speaker: He's really great in this show. He's like one of the core characters in that first season. I'm almost done. We're just nearing the end. The last thing I watched, Adrian, and it is truly excellent. this might I'm not going to say now because i'm not near the end I'm not quite near the end, but I'm five episodes in, is The Bear.

Speaker: It's really, really good. So there are season five. It's final season is really, really, truly amazing. It's interesting how the format of the show is compared to the other seasons, though. And you'll you'll catch on to what I mean as you watch it. I'm i've also watched the first four episodes of this season. back You didn't mention it. It's not. No, I was going to bring it up when I finished it.

Speaker: Oh, okay. I get it. yeah well We'll talk about it when it's done, I think more in detail. But one thing I will say that's definitely unique and it's unique to this season in particular, other than the format and the way that the show is like done from a, like i almost a scheduling. What am I trying to say? You know what I'm saying? Timeline perspective, the way it's done. there But I think one of the most unique things about the season as well is the fact that it's produced by Hans Zimmer in terms of the score. And you can tell distinctly that this musical score is different than the other ones.

Speaker: It's still... composed by the same ah by the same ah like composer, it's Christian Lundberg, but Hans Zimmer produces the score and you can tell it's got like a it's got like a pacing thing. The music is, honestly, to use a phrase that you use often or a term, it's just banger after banger. It is kind of similar, like the music throughout, but it just, it feels like every time I get to the credits, I'm like, yeah, we're rocking now. But it's just, there's an an element of how the show is like, the the music is helping

Speaker: like the tempo of the music is like helping the show along as it goes. It's just really, it it's really cool. I like the music in all of the bear and all of the seasons, but I feel like this, this, it works really well with this particular season because again, of how the timeline of this particular season is running. I think it's, it really helps it a lot.

Speaker: I think it's like overall it's, it's very fully realized. Like every part, it's almost like how the rest of the restaurant, the bear is kind of, is the sum of its parts. You know what I mean? Like it's all working together and how this movie is made, like the show story is made up of all of this solid writing, the solid acting, directing, the way the cinematography, the way it's shot and the way the music works and the sound design and stuff like that. I feel like it all is coming together in its final season in a really strong way. And critics ah agree with this.

Speaker: Rotten Tomatoes seems to, seems to love it. I think both, I think it's both audience score. going double check that. I think it's both audience score and the critics. Um, they both love it. This isn't clicking in here.

Speaker: I should, should, should go.

Speaker: uh yeah uh let's see here season season five i'm in a spot where it's just showing me all the seasons but i'm trying to find that anyway you get my point i'm assuming you like it as well what if yeah i i really really like it i think it looks it's really awesome there is like a different feel to it and kind of a different yeah pacing which i i really am happy about did you watch gary leading up to this i did so i watched gary leading up and i feel I love how it connects. it It connects in such an interesting way. I really like how it connects. It's no it's subtle. I feel like a lot of the show is subtle anyways yeah um until it's not kind of thing. It's it's like definitely stress inducing it many times. and

Speaker: and But it it has some subtleties to it. And certainly Gary, the the road trip with Mikey and... um What the hell is his name?

Speaker: John Berthold. Cousin. No, that's Mikey. Oh, sorry. um John Berthold. Yvonne Moss. backgroundra background cousins Everyone calls each other cousins. So it gets Richie, Richie, Richard. ritchie Richard, yeah. yeah Anyway, um it's cool. It's it's neat it's neat. There was something really... um ah you described this for crashing, I think, but it's like, there's something really real about this show. There was like them talking, just the banter of these two friends in this car as they're traveling to Gary, uh, which is a town. And I can't remember the, is it, is it Indiana? It's Gary, Indiana. Oh, it's Indiana. So they crossed the state. Um, um,

Speaker: Yeah, it's really cool. The banter feels really realistic. It feels like two friends and I feel like we're just like looking in on their on their relationship, which is really, really neat because it's it's just like a snapshot of their lives, it's like a slice of life type type episode.

Speaker: Yeah, it is. Yeah, there's like, it just, yeah, again, both both these shows, again, with Crashing, they're very different compared to The Bear. But yeah, sure there's this there's this very human element where it's like, I know people like this. I've heard people talk like this. It doesn't seem like, you know, people are talking like they're reading a script or that it's like overdone. It's like, no, these are human beings just like interacting with one another. You put these perfectly realized characters into this situation. How are they going to React. yeah Talk. um and And it is exactly that. And yeah, like again, the the Gary um bit as well, it's just, and there's little things. it It even goes to places where I wasn't expecting. Again, i the bear is Hulu, I guess, and everything like that. But just like the way they talk to each other.

Speaker: And like, i mean, there's like multiple moments where Mikey literally like calls ah Richie. He's like, what are you like, retarded or something? And it's like, you know, it's a product of the time. This is like, you know, pre,

Speaker: you know, like people really thinking about like, i don't know, everyone back in the day, everyone said retarded, I feel like, and it's just like, they didn't shy away from that. It just felt like this is a period piece. This is when it's taken place. This is the type of people they are.

Speaker: um And yeah, it just, it really hit the spot. And I, I agree with you. It is a really good lead up. It's, it's subtle and, Yeah, it's just like the entire episode is like, yeah, it's it's just backstory in a way, but it still adds a lot to Rishi's character specifically. And um yeah,

Speaker: Yeah, I love it, man. I'm very excited to keep on watching it. Again, I just didn't want to bring it up. I don't want to just like list shit. Right. yeah You know what I mean? I already talked about three things. Right. So that's fair.

Speaker: Anyways. All right, my friend, it is now time to move on to the montage, a sequence of our show in which I briefly present at least seven of the biweek smaller news stories as Adrian delivers a brisk verdict. All right. Number one.

Speaker: As announced by Netflix, Stranger Things actors David Harbour and Millie Bobby Brown have been cast in a father-daughter spy drama from Netflix, A24, and Adolescence series creator Jack Thorne. Wow, that's a great creative team. Indeed. As reported by Publication Deadline, Obsession director Curry Barker's next film will be based upon an original idea and will be distributed by Universal, Blumhouse, and Atomic Monster. Is this separate from the Anything But Ghost movie that he's doing? I think so. Okay. This is, uh, I think, because this was just announced in the last bi-week. Okay. And I think that Anything But Ghost thing was before, right? Maybe maybe I'm mistaken. Yeah, that was like an answer a little while back. That's with Bryce um <unk> alice Howard. and um Oh, that was already filmed, wasn't it? Yeah, that was already. Yeah, yeah that's done. different. filmed and coming out. is something else. So next film after that then. Oh, okay. But I think he's doing the Texas Chainsaw Massacre as well. Was that confirmed though? I don't know. I thought so. I thought it was. can get back to it. Maybe we'll look it up after this. but

Speaker: Number three, as Deadline reports, director Luca Guadagnino's film Artificial, centered upon Sam Altman and company OpenAI, has found a distribution partner in Neon after Amazon dropped out of the original distribution agreement last month. Amazing. I wonder why they dropped out of that. Yeah, no conflict of interest. No conflict of interest. Nothing there. Number four, according to Deadline, despite the on-set controversy, actor Tom Hardy will return for season three of the Paramount Plus crime drama Mobland.

Speaker: He will reunite with the all-star cast of Helen Mirren and Pierce Brosnan for the upcoming season, assuming that Mobland is renewed after all the drama. I did not see that it was renewed, so maybe I missed it, but as of now, I don't think it's renewed yet. What is the drama?

Speaker: Can we get back to that? I don't remember what the drama was. We didn't talk about it actually. ah Tom Hardy apparently there's some kind of on-set controversy. He's not like, yeah he's kind of tardy to set and stuff like that. He doesn't come get there on time or something like that. So apparently people didn't like that he was like hanging out in his trailer and didn't show up to the set on time. It's all rumor in in some aspects. So how much of it is true is unknown, but. Apparently the cast likes him like Helen Mirren, like I think that a support post before he was ah like, he they were gonna maybe fire him and they decided not to fire him. And that's what this story is. So we'll see. But this show honestly looks kind of interesting to me. I just don't have Paramount Plus. So that's the only reason I haven't really dabbled in it. But the cast is killer.

Speaker: So maybe I will do that in the future. Cool. Number five, according to The Hollywood Reporter, the rights to the viral horror hit Siren Heads have been picked up by Warner Brothers after five studios bid for it in a bidding war.

Speaker: The very popular internet meme will be turned into a film written by weapons director Zach Kreger and Whalefall director Brian Duffield. Cool, okay. I don't really know much about the Siren Heads thing except for like it's like the big fit Siren Heads.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, thought you would know more than I. I was like, what is this? it's ah It's like the big, it's like, right? Yeah. yeah Number six, according to The Hollywood Reporter, a DC Universe Mr. Terrific TV series is in the works with Mr. Terrific actor Eddie Gethegi, set to star and the Sandman series writer Alan Heinberg writing the pilot. Wonderful. Mr. Terrific is one of the best parts of Superman. So I'm happy about this.

Speaker: Number seven, as announced by star Vin Diesel on social media, production has begun on the 11th Fast and Furious film Fast Forever. The movie is set to premiere on March 17th, 2028.

Speaker: twenty twenty eight Dude, I can't not wait for this one. Okay. Number eight, the Michael Jackson biopic Michael has surpassed director Christopher Nolan's biopic Oppenheimer to become the highest grossing biopic of all time at the box office.

Speaker: The movie has earned $977 million dollars thus far. That's crazy. I feel like I forgot about this movie. Just kind of, it's it's one of those, like it's like slow burns, you know, it's just it's doing its thing. But you don't really hear about it. It's incredibly popular. It's kind of crazy to me, personally. but I don't know anyone that's watched it. I don't know a single person in my life that's watched it.

Speaker: All right. All right. Number nine. As reported by publication Variety, after crossing the $800 million dollars mark at the box office, Toy Story 5 is on track to surpass Toy Story 4 as the highest grossing Toy Story film of the franchise.

Speaker: Therefore, Toy Story 5 is also on track to surpass the Super Mario Galaxy movie at its $1.009 billion dollars gross to become the highest grossing film of the year. crazy dude i forgot about toy story 5 like ah it like kind of came and went another one of those they're silently silently just like killing it i gotta watch this i really want to watch this i love toy store i guess it didn't come in come and go though for everyone else just for yeah for you just for me that's yeah but weekend after weekend it's doing well is is what my point is um at the box office okay number 10 As reported by Deadline, heels and low-key showrunner Michael Waldron is writing the script for a Nova superhero film for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Cool.

Speaker: Like the Nova Corps? Yeah. Or the Nova character? Yeah, Nova is related to the Nova Corps. Yeah. Is there the Nova character in in the Marvel movies yet? Not yet. Right?

Speaker: I'm pretty sure. Having watched them all. I haven't seen Ironheart. Yeah, I don't know. get back that in a second. And that concludes the montage. um bump down Like, yeah, is Nova in the MCU right now? I don't think he is. No, I don't think so. No, I don't think so. apparently Nova i watch is a character that deals with like the scrolls but he's not really a character that deals with like the main cast that much is what I was reading I don't know that much about Nova at all I just thought that was interesting because Michael Waldron is like

Speaker: He's kind of blown up it at ah Disney for the Marvel stuff, Marvel Cinematic Universe stuff. And honestly, it's kind of deservedly so because the things he touches, touch typically turn to gold. Like they they are solid in this kind of more shaky phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Like I'm impressed with what he's done. Heels is also a really well-regarded show. I think the Chad Power show is pretty well-regarded. He did that as well. I'm surprised you haven't seen that. I'm kind of shocked. Because Glenn Powell?

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was curious. He just has prosthetics on his face a lot of the time and it's also about football. So, Oh, it's actually not well reviewed though. Oh, so actually maybe Chad powers. That's interesting.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of which. That one is a weird example because that one he is actually not that reviewed by critics. It's 59%, but an average popcorn meter of 84%. So the audience score is high.

Speaker: that's That's actually, I didn't realize that I wasn't well regarded. But I do, the only thing I really don't love by Michael Waldron, because he screen wrote this, is Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. I think that isn't very good. But I think Loki is truly excellent.

Speaker: Uh, and, uh, I'm sure I would like heels as well. I feel like it would be good if I had interesting and watching a wrestling drama, but yeah. Anyway. So yeah, look, he's really good. We'll see. We'll see what this movie becomes. It's interesting. Cause this seems like a more obscure character. Almost like the gardens of the galaxy were before they hit it big in the big screen. Cause James Gunn took yeah comes to them and, um,

Speaker: and add them to the canon there to the the marvel cinematic universe can like the film universe so that's yeah i'm curious to see how that will do but uh did you look up anything else because we talked about multiple things in the middle of that montage i don't know if you wanted to go back to them before we get into the trilogy of topical tidings um

Speaker: no i think we're good i'm trying i'm trying to think i guess i oh yeah i was going to look at the curry barker thing and then there's another thing that popped up and then i just kept on Jump out Curry, Barker, movie, Universal.

Speaker: Is it?

Speaker: I'm looking up Mobland while you do that because I was wondering if it was renewed because I forgot to check it just before we started. because The last time I checked it is a couple days ago and it hadn't been renewed for season three. um But I'll take a look.

Speaker: No, the last news seems like, yeah, there's no formal renewal, but the Tom Hardy news happened where Tom Hardy is returning to Modland. Yeah, there's like, it was a crazy drama like that happened for a while. I was like watching it. Like, will they will they fire Tom Hardy for not coming out of his trailer or whatever it was? It's like, I don't know. Should they?

Speaker: i It's funny, Tom Hardy, i don't know if you remember this, but there's like a Tom Hardy clash with Charlize Theron on ah on Mad Max Fury Road. That was like a famous clash. you Did you remember that? Oh, no, I don't remember that.

Speaker: Apparently, like it was kind of a similar idea than what was kind of reported here is that Charlize Theron is very punctual and like on top of everything like exactly. And Tom Hardy is kind of a bit of a wing it a wing it kind of guy. It seems like based on this comedy is so good, though.

Speaker: Like as evidenced by like, especially like the Revenant, but he's just such a chameleon. I feel like in, in many ways. Um, and I've always been impressed with his, his, like his, him and all the roles he's pretty much been in. He's like the, ven the Venom movies.

Speaker: I don't like them, but I just wanted to watch them for him. Honestly. Because he had such a, like, almost like a wacky new york and New York accent in some way, but it felt like it was real. I just believed him. I don't know what it is. I just believe him in general whenever I watch him on screen. So, like, the Moblin is interesting to me. There was that show, ah Havoc.

Speaker: Remember that? was That was ah Gareth. No. What's his name? Yeah, Gareth Edwards. Gareth Evans. No, Gareth Evans. Gareth Evans, yeah. Edwards is a Rogue One yeah um director. But, yeah, Gareth Evans.

Speaker: I never watched it because it's reviewed badly. I'm like, oh, but i I want to see what Tom Hardy would do with Gareth gareth Evans. Like that combo of Gareth Evans, the director of the Raid Redemption and the Raid, that martial arts like franchise making a... like that was ah That was a similar idea to Moblin in very vague terms. and that and that Wasn't it Havoc was also based on like ah the UK crime scene? Wasn't it?

Speaker: Or am I thinking of something different as well? don't know. I don't remember it. I was going to watch it. And then, yeah, again, the reviews came out and they weren't particularly well... regarded so i kind of was just like oh okay whatever yeah so kind of just moved on from it so homicide detective where though it in the u.s i don't know i'm gonna guess the u.k the havoc is it the uk i'm just gonna guess okay whatever anyway yeah um yeah it wasn't reviewed well it's on netflix

Speaker: the curry barker thing it is a separate movie from anything but ghosts so yeah it's gonna be yeah so we're all good there we're all good there all right are you ready are you ready to move on to the trilogy of topical tidings i guess so man i guess so okay let's do it i can't even find havoc on rotten tomatoes what the hell doesn't show i find rotten tomatoes is funny sometimes their search Like I got, before Havoc came up, i got, oh, maybe I just didn't type it all the way and I hit the button.

Speaker: Oh, I did. Like a fool. That was my fault. This is completely my fault. I'm throwing shade. The audience score is really low on Havoc. 35% 65% critics. the...

Speaker: critics that's the That's the rub. Okay, Adrian, let's dive now into a trilogy of topical tidings, a component of our show where we discuss at least three film and TV industry news stories that have been somewhat zeitgeist over the past two weeks. Adrian, the first one, is it very interesting one because we just talked about this. We just watched this and just before the last episode.

Speaker: it's It's a Supergirl piece that the Hollywood Reporter wrote. that There's like a lot that came out about the process of building that movie, especially near the end of it, where they did multiple test screenings. But ill I'll read my quick blurb here and then I'll go into some detail. According to the Hollywood Reporter, DC Studios created two cuts for the Supergirl film. One created by director Craig Gillespie and one made by studio head James Gunn, which was made eventually. um Obviously, Craig Jealouspe was a director, so he he had he was making the film before.

Speaker: Then they did multiple test screenings, and then James Gunn came in with his cut, and they did a bake-off, apparently. the test They tested both of them because the film hadn't tested well enough for its December 2025 screen test.

Speaker: so Into 2026, they did a few more screen tests, and then they did a bake-off, is what the Hollywood reporter, Boris Kitt, the reporter Boris Kitt was reporting on. you He kept calling it a bake-off, which I thought was fun a fun term.

Speaker: so they had a bed they had a bake off for this and so i had more a little bit more details but i mean you can go high level thoughts on this did you read anything about this before we get into it i did yes i did okay all right um do you want me to go into more detail or do you want to talk about your thoughts first it's up to you yeah and i mean you can go just go into more detail of the context and we'll go into it yeah context that sounds good okay so according to the hollywood reporter um Basically, again, Borskett, Gun and Gillespie had creative differences during the process of making the film to begin with.

Speaker: The first food test screening scored in the 60s out of 100. um So not very good. You kind of want to have a hit. So you want to be 80s, like 90s. You and want to want to would want to have 100 theoretically, ah but they were not scoring that well.

Speaker: um the final versions eventually had in the low 70s, scores in the low 70s, which are okay, but that's not generally what they would want to be acceptable because, again, you want to test screen really high and then see what audiences think after. ah The Moonright...

Speaker: Moon Knight writer Jeremy Slater and Peacemaker editor Fred Raskin were brought in for for the studio's version of the the movie, for so for James Gunn's cut, to complete work alongside the existing team.

Speaker: which I thought was interesting. The Jeremy Slater rewrites are so fascinating. We can get into that in a second, but there's an element of Jeremy Slater that I'm like, just type in Jeremy Slater into Rotten Tomatoes. I don't, and I don't, what is the fascination with this man? People love him. I'm not saying he's bad. I'm just don't, I don't understand. Like you're going to bring him in to fix this. It's an interesting choice. And then the other bits are the studio ran at least four test screenings and eventually then settled on the bake-off test screening with the studio made version winning over director Greg Gillespie. So,

Speaker: James Gunn's cut one with his cut from Fred Raskin and some of the writing from jerey Jeremy Slater in the in some of the reshoots. ah The final battle sequence was reworked during the reshoots process. That was a thing that had had happened. ah And a cover of Girls Just Want to Have Fun was ditched for the final battle sequence in favor of the Jimmy Eat World cover, which was notoriously ah online, and you mentioned it during our review last episode, very controversial. So that that was an interesting thing is that the Jimmy world cover was the thing that was chosen, but it seems to be the thing that is very controversial for a lot of audiences who actually watched the movie as it was released in theaters.

Speaker: Uh, Two more points. Interestingly, Gillespie's version of the film, which was not chosen, scored more strongly on villain, which is something you mentioned specifically in your review, song choices and pacing.

Speaker: And also you mentioned pacing, which I thought was interesting. Those two things were ah interesting. And you actually mentioned song choices technically just for that song choice in particular. Interesting. um about Who knows what that means though, because we don't we didn't see that version of the film. that's hundred yeah ah and Then lastly, there is a quote here, and I don't know who it's from. oh ah Oh, this was interesting.

Speaker: so There's a rare statement from so the DC universe as being is being governed by, governed is a weird word, but is being run by both James Gunn and Peter Safran, the longtime producer. Like James Gunn's more of the creative and Peter Safran's the businessman is kind of kind of what I always thought. But Peter Safran is a creative in some way too because he's a producer and producer's a little bit creative as well. Like he's ah he's a producer in many things. But he's I feel like he's the business side of the of running dc the DC universe. And Peter Safran actually made a rare statement after the movie didn't do well

Speaker: Because it stock didn't do well in this first week, and then it really fell off a cliff in its second week for the box office. And I can take a look at the numbers in a second, but they they it did not do as expected. And it seems like it's going to lose lots of money in the end, which is unfortunate. But he made this statement, quote, Peter Safran did, quote, while Supergirl didn't meet our box office expectations, it's just one component of a broader long-term strategy at DC Studios that we remain confident in, unquote.

Speaker: I just think that's interesting because oftentimes a movie bombs and then nobody makes a statement. that Nobody says anything. They're just like, okay, shh. And then they're all like, you know, like Homer Simpson going into the bush. You know what I'm saying? yeah um Yeah. So typically they don't say anything. So I thought that was interesting too. But yeah, what were your high level like bird's eye view thoughts on this? Like what did you think about um that what you read and what maybe you learned something from when I read, but it's probably the same article. You would have read the Hollywood Reporter book. Yeah, yeah. That's the one I read as well. yeah And yeah, it made me wonder because when it all came out, because we talked quite deeply about Supergirl and how I was like, how can James Gunn like let this slip through the cracks? And then yeah finding the news that he was essentially the one that kind of came in, created this version, or or at least helped create this version. And this was the one that released.

Speaker: honestly shocked me. I was like, dude, just, just put it on the chopping block. Like just do something else. Like go back, do reshoots. There has to be something else that you can do to make this better.

Speaker: And i just, I'm still kind of shocked about that because again, this is the first project that is not run by him, that, that it's something, you know, it's made by someone else to, to add into his existing universe. And I just feel like this was a fairly big miss.

Speaker: The other thing that I was thinking of throughout this is ah you pointed it out. The three things that were rated better in Craig Gillespie's version were the my three major criticisms of, I guess, this now studio version. And I was sitting there. i'm like, would I have liked his version better? It was longer.

Speaker: I didn't say that. It was like 10 or 15 minutes longer. Yeah. Yeah. It was 10 or 15 minutes longer. And, I don't always align with the most popular opinion. I stand by the fact that I think Eternals is a great movie. Like I love Eternals. It's slow. It's different. It's one of the most unique MCU movies, but people didn't like it. Critics didn't like it. Audiences didn't particularly like it. But for me, i was like, this is really great.

Speaker: So I was curious. i was like, would I have liked the Craig Gillespie Supergirl cut more because it would have been different. It would have been something different. in, I guess, Craig Gillespie's style.

Speaker: Because we put a lot of blame on Craig Gillespie when we were talking about that movie. I think you said something like, maybe he maybe like this this isn't a passion project for him. He was just kind of going in and just like, whatever. like i don't too Are you talking about what I said? Yeah, yeah, yeah. think you said something along those lines. In my defense for what I was saying was, he maybe made his version of the film and then, this is actually Actually, what's crazy is that they kind of revealed the thing that I thought happened.

Speaker: I thought in reshoots and in – sorry, in test screenings that the audience didn't like it and then they kept cutting it and adding extra stuff. do you remember me saying this? When I read this article, I'm like, that's what I said happened.

Speaker: And then they just kept switching things around and adding new things in. So they lost the morals of the actual story. Like the actual – the morals, not the morals, but the morale. The moral yeah of the story, the the actual overall – what they were trying to do, the thesis, what were they actually looking to solve. The focus of the film was completely lost in the third act. and so My theory was that that through through ah consistent screenings that weren't going their way, they just kept cutting and adding extra things in. But my argument with Craig Gillespie is because he's not really a super he's not a big blockbuster guy typically, he doesn't make these big films,

Speaker: he's talking to James Gunn and James Gunn's just forcefully pushing back. And he's just like, I don't, okay, ah you're right. I guess you've, you have had huge success. Like what do I know? And like, that's my thought process. Whereas James Gunn, I feel like in his process to making guardians or, or suicides, the suicide squad, He's going to be like, no, no, no, we can't cut this out. I don't care. I'm leaving this in because I am passionate about this. That was kind of my point. I wasn't saying Craig Gillespie is kind of like, I was saying he was kind of leaving some of the passion on the table because he's like, I guess I don't know better because the test screenings, look, the proof is in the data.

Speaker: But I don't think making a movie is data run. So I'm not sure that this would have, you know what i mean Like that, that's the crazy thing is you I think I would have liked Craig Gillespie's cut because he had a vision and he made the movie.

Speaker: Like that that's the idea. Like he knew what he was doing with the writer, the original writer. They were making something. I don't think the that the three pieces of why it would have been better were something that would have made me like it better. Cause I still think that as long as they, the villain wasn't important. I still believe that firmly that the villain is super girl herself, her own psyche, her own goal. Like she had to figure out cause I have villains as bland anyway. He's just not, he's a generic villain. Even if you added five minutes of scenes with fricking creme,

Speaker: what are you going to get? i much He did a good job. Like the actor did a great job, but he's a very, like, he's just a bandit. Like he's a boring kind concept of a villain. And I think that was purposeful.

Speaker: So may, I'm wondering if they actually solve the problem that I set. the villain is actually super girl in the end like kara is the villain and then they the the claim was the villain scored better because he's he's gonna score better when you actually focus on the things you were supposed to do he just seems pointless like he you keep focusing on it on him in weird ways but then he didn't actually do he did some weird things at the very end of the movie and they and three the third act that i was like what what It seems inconsistent. So I wonder if that, again, they recut and reshot the the final battle. Maybe that final battle would have made more sense in some way. Anyway, sorry. if if that i Hopefully that clarifies things. But I'm not, I wasn't shitting on Craig Gillespie. I was trying to say. he said that you hated him and that he sucked. It's a big,

Speaker: It's a big studio movie, and I feel like he may be like, this isn't really my cup of tea. I don't do this, so I don't know. I'm not going to put my my reputation on the line for this particular thing. like i Your friends and neighbors, what a good show. And it was nominated, by the way. We're going to talk about the Emmys in a second. It was nominated for Best ah best Drama at the Emmys. So like he knows what he's doing in many regards. They hired him, from my understanding, from this article, I think it said this, because of I, Tonya. Because it it netted Margot Robbie a... like he was credited in some way for for allowing the avenue for Marvel Robbie to get a nomination at the Oscars for I, Tonya.

Speaker: So that was kind of like the one of the reasons why James Gunn liked Craig in the first place. So yeah, anyway. Sorry, I cut you off. Go on. No worries. I don't really remember what I was saying anymore. 25 minutes ago.

Speaker: i um I literally don't remember what I was ah what i was saying, but – Yeah. Yeah. You were saying that Craig, sorry, go ahead. You were saying the thing about Craig, about how you said that I, the Craigster, he's not passionate, but you were saying i blamed him, but real in reality, you you would blame James. Is that what you were going to say?

Speaker: Yeah. You would blame James and it's James's fault. yeah Um, no, but I, I feel like we were both fairly harsh on a James gun last, like when we were talking about super girl as well, just kind of like, how'd you let this slip, you know, past the goalie or whatever, sports analogy I can put in here. Um, right.

Speaker: And yeah, again, I just, I think this, yeah, what a missed opportunity. um I just feel like this early in the DC run, he should have just had the foresight of like, if this isn't working, then go back.

Speaker: Like, don't release it. Like, it's okay not to release a bad movie. Like, I have i had friends that were like, oh, I heard Supergirl was like shit. Or whatever. It's like, for one, it was getting bad press leading up to the movie because of insane people online. But now you actually release the movie. It proves these insane people on the internet that they're kind of right it in the sense of this movie is bad.

Speaker: And that's what they were preaching, despite it being for totally different reasons. You should have just had, you have just been like, okay, cool. We have a year until Superman Let's take the extra three months, spend an extra however many million dollars and make something that's actually remarkable and kind of rework this a little bit.

Speaker: And i just I just think you probably could have made something still better than what we got with a little bit more time and care. But they did spend the money. That is what they did. they bo so They bought rewrites. They did that and it it might have ruined it. Like that in contrast. Fair enough.

Speaker: the The thing is is, it became a tale of two directors, it it seems like. And that just doesn't – when does that work? And like the one – there's one instance of that working. And it's a guy who came in with such vision and like purpose for what he believed.

Speaker: I think you might know what I'm thinking of. Rogue One. But was literally Rogue One. It's like there's like for a blockbuster where the movie's just not screening well or whatever. I i don't know if that was in the issue where some executives watched Rogue One and thought it was bad or I'm not sure what ended up happening, but they they they knew it was problems with Gareth Edwards version of the film. They're like, what's going on? Like, it's just not, I think it must've been test screening. And then,

Speaker: Of course, Tony Gilroy comes in he re reshoots, rewrites lots of the the scenes. he's like he and he was in He was quoted afterwards as saying, I just saw the exact problem they had with this movie. I i wasn't even a Star Wars fan. I think he said something like, I never watched Star Wars or something like that. And he just saw the fundamental issues with it. My issue with this from last when we talked about this last episode...

Speaker: was I thought it was odd that the way it was reshot, again, I'm so curious about how it would have looked before it was all like cut up and changed. Because I wonder if like people, these guys were so close to it. They're like, oh, this is, they kept the changing things and they forgot what they were making.

Speaker: And that that is kind of what I said before. But the weird thing is, if you're James Gunn and you're doing this, you would think James Gunn would go in and say, oh, well, the main thing I'm concerned about always is character.

Speaker: And that's not what that's what was lost, in my opinion, because character, the main character wasn't the focus. Ruthie was weirdly the focus. Lobo was oddly the focus for some reason. In many points of the movie, I'm like, okay, he's entertaining, but why is he here? And then the villain was a weird focus that I'm like, why is this? Okay, well, But Ruthie was the weirdest one, like the companion to Kara throughout the film. life what is she Why is she a focus? It's weird the Hollywood Reporter thing doesn't mention this, so maybe I'm out to lunch. But I felt like the character the character aspect of it, like story and character were missed. Like they were just forgotten about.

Speaker: But i I want to defend James Gunn for one second, actually. Because I actually think here's the thing that's a problem. just Just picture this, okay? Yeah. This guy is writing and directing Superman, Man of Tomorrow.

Speaker: He just came off of Superman. He just came off of it, the press tour, et cetera. He's making sure that Lanterns works out, that Clayface works out, that Supergirl works out, that his next foray potentially into Peacemaker may be starting to spur up.

Speaker: There's lots of things he's trying to generate. He's also trying to figure out that, what was that that movie that got canceled, with the people in the silver suits or whatever, the- ah The Authority. The authority, right? That just didn't work out. And he's just trying to make these all work.

Speaker: And he's trying to get this all to work. And he's literally directing a movie and writing one at the same time as he's trying to fix Supergirl. And he's just like, imagine, did the guy even get sleep?

Speaker: Like, I can't even imagine how much work that would have been du We look at like the executives. Look at Kevin Feige. Kevin Feige ain't directing and writing anything. He's going in and trying to fix things from ah from the outside looking in.

Speaker: James Gunn's so close to it anyway. And this is in this in like almost like a style of how he would have made a movie. and But the final cut anyways. It's just like a weird... I just feel like maybe he just didn't have the time. like That's kind of the what I'm trying to say. and It's like, I don't know...

Speaker: like that Yeah, like shit hit the fan too early in the DCU. it It had to kind of work out in the first few movies. Things had to get rolling. People had to understand where he was where his expectations were potentially for directors and writers going forward for the next movie. And they don't because there's never been one. no one is No one has directed anything for his universe specifically yet. I mean, the Clayface movie might have been in the can before. Maybe that's possible.

Speaker: And they just they had they had a very strong vision and it just happened. But it feels like maybe again, Gillespie was like maybe wasn't quite sure because he's not done this before. And he's a good director, but he's making a huge film like it's millions of dollars. It costed so much money. It's a huge sets, huge.

Speaker: Huge budget. So I wonder, like, that's my thing is like, is James Gunn just completely torn in so many directions that he tried to fix it, but then he lost sight of it himself because he's like, I'm trying to direct my movie here. I'm trying to get the Superman sequel out, which will already net more but a blockbuster, money like box office money anyway at the box office.

Speaker: So that's my one defense of this is that I just don't understand my, my non-defense, like my attack, my, my offense is that I I'm disappointed that he didn't see that the character was the issue. Cause I really think that that's the problem.

Speaker: Like, I think that those three things, pacing villain and music. Sure. That's great. But again, Craig Gillespie's version did not score higher than the seventies. Same thing. So still bad, no matter what you, the final version was scored, scored fairly high in the seventies. And so did Gillespie's version.

Speaker: So James Gunn's and... so i don't i Also, I will say this. I didn't care about the music choice. I thought that that was fine. I don't know why. Why is that such a criticism? What was the big problem with it? I just feel like it doesn't fit. You just watch something like the vibe doesn't fit.

Speaker: I think it's just one of those. I was okay with it. That was the one thing that didn't really bother me too much. Yeah, anything else you want to add? um No. like Again, i'm still I'm still confident in where the DC universe is going to go, but I do worry. Like...

Speaker: you know If this movie doesn't do well, Superman, I think, did well enough, but not I don't think it lit the world on fire like a lot of people maybe expected it it would.

Speaker: And I don't foresee like Superman, Man of Tomorrow being growth. I mean, it'll be growth compared to Supergirl likely, but is it going to be growth compared to the original Superman movie?

Speaker: And it's like when you are, you know, two movies in, one of them is a commercial and critical failure for lack of a better term. Why, how do how do you make others outside that aren't already invested get invested into this universe? So my worry is like, is is this going to be a short-lived universe a again?

Speaker: I hope that is not the case, but I can't help but have that little bit of worry, you know? Yeah, I'm worried too. Yeah, it's it's it's too bad. I just feel like you couldn't afford this. And I feel like maybe for one of your first films not directed by Gunn, I think you maybe pick somebody who's really passionate, who really is going for it exactly, that knows what he's doing, and you don't have to babysit. Because you have to babysit everyone as an executive in some way. like I imagine that there's so many fires that Kevin Feige has put out from the very beginning of the MCU onward. there's been There's been constant test screening issues. Or again, the idea of a plussing.

Speaker: I think that's why it became that. The idea of plussing, of changing it in throughout the like changing the script on the fly throughout the process. I think that's because of... Like he realizes what works and what doesn't. And he's, he's guided the MCU, the Marvel Cinematic Universe so well because of this aspect. But I'm sure there's been many directors that just weren't, that quite didn't quite hit the mark. And you're like, well, we got to fix this. This costs 200 million, whatever, $150 million dollars to make. Like we got to do something to fix these problems.

Speaker: He's not going in and making his own cut. You know, it's a tough Like you're going to go in and you make your own cut while you're also directing another movie. It's like, no, that's never going to happen. um Yeah. But anyway, and again, ah like I empathize, but at the same time, like this is the position you were put into that you took on. And it's like,

Speaker: Can't handle it, man. Nobody can handle it. I'm saying nobody can. Name somebody who does. Nobody does. Nobody does this. It's crazy. Yeah. It's unprecedented. like That's what I'm saying. It's like, oh, don't take him out. Please please don't. Because he cares a lot about this universe. And i think the next I think Lanterns is going to be a killer. Because Chris Mundy, Damon Lindelof team, I think that team up is going to be really good. I just i think that if Supergirl came out in two years, it wouldn't be such a big deal. It's just at the beginning that's the issue.

Speaker: yeah um but like What did you want him to do though? That's my question. like He can't handle it, man. like What do you mean? like You want him to go in and redo the whole entire movie? you know what that costs? Probably a lot.

Speaker: What do you do? If Craig Talespi's version is cursed, how can you fix it meaningfully like you don't like you might have liked the end version of it but it's irrelevant because it's still scoring the exact same 70s on the screen test what was last wasn't it like 60s yeah it was last it's in the same same ballpark though it's like 70s low seventy s yeah I think, no, they said that one of his cuts had it scored in the low 70s as well as the highest.

Speaker: The Craig Gillespie's version, apparently. And then James Gunn was a little bit higher. His version, the Bake Off version, he was a little bit higher. I think that's what cor Boris Kitt reported. So anyway, that ah yeah, i'm I'm not excusing it. I'm just saying like, what do you do? If it doesn't, if it's not working and you've done multiple screen screen tests, you can't just keep spending more money. Are you saying you should write it off, not release it?

Speaker: Like you just do what you did. They did. Cause you kind of hinted at that earlier. Like the Batgirl movie. Do you just like not, not, that's not a good strategy. You still lose money. Like, did they lose more money this way, though? I don't know. It's not been doing It's $115 million they made. I think they probably made it made back what they would have made in tax breaks. Certainly. Right.

Speaker: Maybe. I don't know. Maybe. know. Imagine that tax break is crazy. but Maybe I just don't know how tax breaks work. But that seems like a crazy tax break. think it was more worth it to to like release it than. um I don't know.

Speaker: I'm no tax guy, so I wouldn't know. It's just also a bad look if you shelve it. That's also a bad look. It looks bad. like what What do you mean you're shelving $100? How much does this movie cost? Where's the budget on this guy?

Speaker: It's not said here. um It's high. It's very high. it's They're not going to make the money back. I thought it was like $200 million or something. Anyway, yeah. I'm not excusing it. I'm just saying it's very complicated. It would be easy to just say it's cut and dry, but I don't know who else could have got come in and tried to fix it. He tried to fix it. It just didn't work out, and eventually you have to release it. Eventually, it just costs too much money. You just you release it because it's just not it's not viable anyway. So if you're not going to be able to fix it in any meaningful way, what are you going to do? The budget was $170 million US s dollars.

Speaker: So it was a lot of money because they made $150 million, and then the second, third week box offices have dropped off a cliff. Anyway. Yeah. I'm saying it's big bomb. It's tough of the biggest bombs of the year, probably.

Speaker: Yeah. Okay. Actually, know what else bombed? I just read this recently. Moana, the live action Moana movie. Right. And you said something.

Speaker: We were talking on the marathon. We're playing marathon on PlayStation, and you said something interesting. You were reading all the reviews. You can just say it if you want. It's probably better. I don't remember what I said. You said you were reading all the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, or a few of them. Oh, yeah.

Speaker: The people were saying that the critics were saying that the problem with this movie is with a shot for shot live action version of the the animated film. And I'm looking at that and you said specifically, like, isn't that the point? And I'm like, yes, I completely agree. It's funny because I read Rotten Tomatoes as well. and I was like, why are you criticizing it for this? it Isn't that what you they were trying to do?

Speaker: Yeah. And I think i also mentioned, I'm like, if you do a shot for shot remake of a movie that is great and that is highly reviewed, wouldn't that just make the remake if it again is a shot for shot remake of a great movie?

Speaker: Still great. You would think. so And yet the Rotten Tomatoes score is a 33%. So it doesn't make any logical sense. And I saw that as a blurb repeatedly, like what you just what you described.

Speaker: It's a very strange scenario. i This is interesting because this is one of – I don't think it's the first live action one to bomb. The the Snow White, Rachel Ziegler movie bombed as far as I remember.

Speaker: and That like big blowback with, cause of racism, I think in a lot of ways. um And I don't think it was particularly well-reviewed either, to be fair, to to give some credit to the racists. um Awesome. That's the thing with Supergirl, right? To give some credit to the sexists, I guess. Yeah, that exactly. the crazy thing, and I want to reiterate this because anyone who's just tuning into this episode of our podcast probably never listened to any of our other podcast episodes, right? So like Supergirl is really great because –

Speaker: specifically of the actors chosen and how well Millie Alcock pulls off the role of Supergirl. She is really great. It's the saving grace of the film in many ways. The visuals are pretty good too. And like the quirkiness of it, I like too. There's a lot I like. I lowered my score to 2.5 on Letterboxd at a five. So I didn't, I soured on it even after. i soured on it continuously thinking about it, but yeah.

Speaker: I still think Millie Alcock is amazing, but yeah, she's awesome. the That's not what, that's not what the fanboys, ah the vc fanboys online are saying. um Whereas Moana, Moana doesn't have to deal with that issue.

Speaker: ah I guess I, I hope not. Cause I think, isn't the actress like a kid? Right. Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker: I'm worried. I don't want to that up. Don't, don't bother with this, but that's not why it wasn't doing well. I think it's the reviews. It didn't do well. And then, you know what? I think it, you know what happened? And I read this, where did i read this? It was a summit. One of the articles, one of them was like, it failed it failed because of a specific read. I wish I remembered just to give them credit, but they said something along the lines of the reason why it didn't do well is because it's too recent. Yeah.

Speaker: I was thinking the same thing. That was going to be my point. yeah When I read that, i'm like, that makes perfect sense to me. Why would you, read because you're remaking a movie. It's like, think about remakes in like video games.

Speaker: Like they just remade the the Black Flag, Assassin's Creed Black Flag remake. And they fundamentally change it in so many ways. And it's reviewed very well because they did this. But if the Black Flag remake came out like four years after the black original black flight came out, black flight came out in 2013.

Speaker: So there's a huge jump of time between now and 2013. But if Moana came out in what, 2015, 2016, 2016. So I think it's, it's 10 years. And, but not only that, yeah, Moana two came out just a couple years ago.

Speaker: That's also another thing. So recency. So it's very close to it. Like even Snow White against Snow White not doing well. Like Snow White came in and what the fricking 40s, dude. Yeah. exactly That's not the reason for that one.

Speaker: I know. I know. But I'm just saying like, um I guess an example of one that did well, Beauty and the Beast, right? Beauty and the Beast. There wasn't like a Beauty and the Beast three or whatever that came out, you know, like two years before that movie, which again, i think it did quite well.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker: So yeah, I don't know. It is interesting. But again, Lilo and Stitch, that's about a 20-year gap, I think. That's a lot. and there was But there was like Lilo and Stitch movies, and then there was the Lilo and Stitch TV series. Still a longer than 10-year gap. but Right.

Speaker: that's not I feel like that's just... i think we yeah Would Lilo and Stitch be the most recent apart from Moana? I think. Yeah. But that's a long time ago. It still is a long time ago. I think people had hankering for Lilo and Stitch. lot of nostalgia. I think you create live action remakes for nostalgia movies. You can't be nostalgic about something that came out less than 10 years ago. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker: That's kind of why I think that that's my guess as to why it wouldn't do well. Because even like The Lion King wasn't reviewed particularly well, but that made lots of money. like Yeah, that made over a bill. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker: A billion. Yeah, don't know. And then there's like the negative hype on the internet about the hair. But I feel like people are between the Rock Johnson's outfit. But you know what it is, though? I think if you waited another five years and then did it, nobody would care about the hair. I just think like you're like, oh this isn't like the thing I watched 10 years ago that I remember distinctly and fondly.

Speaker: like Don't make a remake for Uncanto. You know what i mean? like It's unnecessary. Don't make a live-action movie for that. like it doesn't make it Or Coco. Aren't they doing a Coco live-action? isn't That seems right. i But they're coming up with Coco 2 soon, aren't they?

Speaker: They're doing Coco 2. That's what it is. It's not a live action, I don't think. Not yet. But like that's why I think maybe they should learn from this a little bit. I think you just you also want to leave things a little longer, potentially.

Speaker: I think so. It you a little bit. yeah i don't think should. You should just leave in general, like for sequels even. Like you just leave a franchise a little bit longer dormant and then they can do a little bit more, a little better once they hit the big screen. Eventually. I think that that can help too. That might be a factor, but there's so many factors. There's like, it's hard to really nail down what causes these issues.

Speaker: I feel like, um, I would nail them all down. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's fair. Good for you. and Okay. The second of the trilogy of topical tidings, Adrian, because we've got sidetracked from Moana.

Speaker: According to publication Variety, the Sega video game franchise Persona is being developed as a live action TV series for streamer Netflix by director Sean Levy's production company, 21 Laps, and the production company for the Sonic films, Story Kitchen.

Speaker: The Persona game series, with its five released entries thus far, typically follows high school students as they balance their everyday lives by day by day and battle supernatural monsters by night, utilizing their manifestations of their psyches called Personas. The news series the new series will be showrun by Vision Quest and 12 Monkeys writer Christopher Monfette.

Speaker: You are a big Persona fan. You're a huge fan. i do you love my Persona, dude. I don't know ah of it barely at all. I know of it through you, essentially. And I'm curious when you saw this news, like what was your first reaction, I guess, to to see, like does it work in live action was my question right away. And I don't know the answer to it, honestly.

Speaker: We talked about this at like a Canada Day ah event that you were hosting. And I was like, I don't... I'm not sure. Like, I, it seems like a tough thing to crack, but all honestly, a lot of these like video games to movie or film at like to, or TV tv show adaptations can be tough. I think Elden Ring is tough, like good luck in some way, but Elden Ring is vague enough that it could, could work actually really well if you have a ah strong vision for it.

Speaker: But yeah, I mean I imagine one piece is is tough as well, but they're nailing it with that live action. They are, you know, according to me. Yes. Yeah, i i I when I read this, I i was intrigued. Right. So i'm ah I'm a big Persona fan. But again, like there's there's different sects of Persona fans. Right. um You know, I love Persona like three, four and five. Those are the ones I played.

Speaker: I never played the original one and two. I played Persona three recently with the reload, like the the remake that they came out with. Yeah, Persona for Golden was my first Persona game. I played that on the PlayStation Vita.

Speaker: I beat it, but I didn't actually get the real ending, the true ending, which I found out years later that there's multiple endings in a Persona game because this was like pre me looking at guides or using anything. I just beat it. I'm like, oh, kind of an anticlimactic ending, but I really enjoyed this.

Speaker: I'm going to replay it fully when once they remake it, the remakes coming out in February. And Persona 5 is one of my favorite video games of all time. Persona 5 Royal um specifically, which is like the updated version of it that they came out with a couple years later. I even have a Persona tattoo. Persona 5 tattoo. i have the Phantom Thieves logo on my um right shoulder, which you apparently didn't know about. You came over to to my house on Canada today and you're like, you have tattoo?

Speaker: And I said, yes, um I have two tattoo. Yes. Yeah. Which I swear I've told you things. Sometimes I'm like, i don't have a good memory. But maybe you don't either.

Speaker: You know, I don't think you told me that. I just distinctly don't think you told me that. Okay. That one specifically, I'm like, I don't think so. I feel I must have. I must have maybe told you that probably, possibly. Wasn't it recent as well?

Speaker: I got it probably a couple years ago. Yeah, two years. Yeah, that's really recent. that recent. I don't know. It's not that recent. Maybe you're i guess we're just not as close as you think. oh you're pulling one of those you're pulling one of those maybe maybe that's what's happened i don't know i feel like i talked to you and then you just don't listen to me you you stare stare into the void i don't think so you just didn't tell me you're like this white bitch that i'm friends with the fucking nothing he says matters is what you say white this white bitch why i don't know man

Speaker: um But yeah, no, i I found it interesting. So again, I'm familiar with the first three, sorry, I guess three, four and five, those stories. And it's cool because there's a lot to pull from because each of them are quite distinct. So yeah, it it always follows high school kids.

Speaker: And there's always like a alternate dimension that they go through, but it's always slightly different. So, you know, in, in the um third game, it's like, there's a thing called the midnight hour where at a certain point, you know, clock strikes midnight and every person in, you know, the, the city that they're in, they get like put into like coffins and only ah a certain number of people can actually explore this midnight hour realm and um you know summon their personas and like stop the big bad from doing stuff. Persona 4, there's a thing called the Midnight Channel, where like ah at a certain hour in the middle of the night, a TV channel turns on and you can you know see yourself in your TV that's like an evil version and you fall into it.

Speaker: And then Persona 5 is like you go into this separate reality where um you know you can see like the other like certain people's If they're bad people and they're hiding who they truly are, or if they're just awful people, it creates what's called like a palace in a separate dimension. And then, you know, the Phantom Thieves, which is a core group of characters, can go into this separate universe to change the heart of the person that works there. So they're all like quite distinctly different with, again, a high, so like a Japanese high school backdrop, right? Right.

Speaker: so I imagine this would be American high school back backdrop. Possibly, possibly, which ah again, yeah it makes sense um that they would do that if it's all going to be like American people working on it. um And I don't think it necessarily, I mean, like it is again, very Japanese. There's the Japanese quirks that are go with it, but you can follow, you know, a similar sort of premise in in an American setting. There's nothing that is,

Speaker: you know specifically tying it down to the Japanese aesthetic. in Apart from, I guess, the underage kids being able to date like their teachers and stuff, which you can do, which is awesome. yeah um

Speaker: But I think that this the school element of Persona is kind of its backbone and it adds like a lot of interesting parts. saw you make that face. It took you a couple seconds to clue in when I... You're like, yes, statutory rape. Hey, what is going on here? Okay. It's it's all perfectly legal in Japan, apparently.

Speaker: Okay. um I don't know the law there. But again, yeah, you can date your teacher. You can date like a doctor lady. You can date ah ah an alcoholic reporter lady.

Speaker: This is in Persona 5 specifically that I'm referencing. Anyways, not important. Okay. But again, it's always that that sort of high school backdrop. And there's, you know, usually some like overarching mystery that's kind of going going on. So I think you can play around with this a lot. Really, I think what the hardest part is going to be is like making it kind of interesting.

Speaker: from a visual perspective of these kids going into ah another universe and then doing like fight scenes with random monsters. Cause there's a lot of like, there's a lot of persona monsters. It's kind of like a Pokemon game in in a lot of ways. Cause you capture personas, you can add them to your party, you confuse them. So it's like, how much of that, those elements do you actually want to bring into a show? There's like crazy looking monsters as well. There's literally like a huge, Like it looks like a big penis in like a, in like a wheelbarrow monster thing. Okay. Like there's like a lot. it's And it's R rated, right? The stories in persona are incredibly dark as well. Like, and some of the stuff that they do, like in persona three,

Speaker: You know, to summon your persona, you have to literally shoot yourself in the head with a gun. And like when you shoot yourself, your persona gets summoned. Jesus. Yeah. Like in um Persona 4 is about like a serial killer in like this small town with like this bright and fun backdrop. Persona 5, the first like villain of the game is a teacher that's sexually molesting his students. Yeah. Um, and you got to like change this person's like personality by going in make them, you know, like admit they're at like, you know, what they're doing. Like they don't shy away from these like tough and dark topics as well. So I think you can do a lot with this. I think there's a lot of potential here.

Speaker: It also makes sense that the production company behind the Sonic film story kitchen is, is involved because Sonic is also owned by Sega persona being a Sega property. So there is that now, I don't know much about Christopher Monfette. I know 12 Monkeys is well regarded.

Speaker: ah Vision Quest isn't out yet. And he has a lot to do with that 9-11 show, right? He's just a writer. Okay, of 9-11? He's got a team of writers. is He's just in the writer's room.

Speaker: Yeah, okay. Okay. He's not ah he's not executive producer. or Of 9-11? He's not a showrunner. for Yeah, 9-1-1. Okay. Okay. It's not called 9-11. sure one okay not called nine eleven Okay, i just wanted to make sure. 911. There's nine, and there's dashes in between the ones. So it's meant to be read as 911 for sure. Yeah. I know you're trying here, but trying to make a a specific joke.

Speaker: But there are dashes. trying to riff on some bits here. But 911, let me double check this showrunner. Let me make sure I'm not wrong. He's just in the writer's room. He's just a part of the writer's room for 911. Okay. on ABC is created by Timothy

Speaker: Not Christopher Monfet. Okay. Yeah. He's a writer and producer on that. Yeah. He's not even a co-creator. it's Ryan Murphy is actually co-creator of 9-1-1. I forgot about that. Brian Murphy and Brad Felchuk. What the fuck has Ryan Murphy not done out of curiosity? It's a lot of stuff he's done.

Speaker: No disrespect to the guy. I guess he's not done everything Shonda Rhimes has done. That's true. That's true. It's the the two people that yeah own television. I also know Christopher Monfet. He did Picard, which I'm not a Star Trek guy.

Speaker: It's my understanding that show wasn't good until it was good. Yeah, that show is interesting because it is rated really highly by critics, right? and Yeah, I don't remember. I think it's like a 90, isn't it?

Speaker: It's an 89%, but the 50% popcorn meter. And then that's right. I think what happened was in the first season, I think my brother watched it because he was a big Star Trek fan way back in the day. And so he I think he said that the first season wasn't good.

Speaker: And then after that, It like good they just did ah like some some interesting fan service and then it became like really excellent. Yeah. um But yeah but the thing is a season one. Let me pull this up here because i think season one. No season one still well reviewed is an 86 percent. But for for the again the critics score season three there was a 97 percent.

Speaker: I feel like that's undoubtedly. Good. i see What's the popcorn meter on that? Very high, 88%. So people are loving that. But he's not, again, he's not the, Christopher Montefiore is also not the showrunner on this. I'm pretty certain.

Speaker: Let me pull up the casting crew here and see if I can quickly find it in a swift switch fashion. Executive producer, yeah, it's Alex Kurtzman. Okay. Yeah, so i think I think he's the, or is, hmm.

Speaker: He's not even listed here. So he's just, again, he's just a writer. He's just a writer on the show. It doesn't, I don't know what that really means. It's hard to know. You're right. It's hard to know what this gentleman will do. Manfet. Yeah. Because we haven't seen anything show running wise, even 12 monkeys. He didn't, I think he was just a writer on that too.

Speaker: Yeah. ah So like Picard show runner. The one thing that I will give Christopher Monfet points for, though, is that he was actually a former ah film and and gaming journalist at IGN.

Speaker: And I think G4 before that. So he's he's undoubtedly a big gamer and a nerd. So he probably really likes this you know persona and and is going to adapt it to... to some way. my my My other follow-up curiosity is like, is it going to be an original story or is it going to you know follow along with one of the games? My hope is you do something original. Um, you could probably make this into an anthology series as well, where it's like each, each season is, you know, may be a different cast of characters. I'm thinking almost like skins, but skins, but instead of skins, it's persona and skins is every two seasons, I guess.

Speaker: But, you know like do like an anthology c series, kind of like that, that would be pretty neat. Um, yeah,

Speaker: But yeah, i'm I'm curious. I'm curious. There's a lot of cool stuff that you can do with it. But again, it is Persona is wacky. And I love it as a franchise. It's also incredibly stylized. don't know if you got into that at all. not yet. But that's the takeaway from the outside looking in, from my perspective. I look and I'm like, the stylization is so interesting that I'm like, how are they going to represent that in a TV show? It's something that...

Speaker: you You said at that Canada Day party, you were saying, well, what about One Piece? But I don't really agree with that aspect because I don't think One Piece is necessarily stylized. It's just an animated. like I'm saying like the menus are stylized in Persona. They stylize everything, like even like the way the animations work and all all that element and like the fact that it's turn-based. and there's like There's elements like one piece is a linear piece of TV too. So there's not really, you can kind of try to adapt it and it can kind of go right off the rails just because it is an animated show. Anything going from anime to, I feel like going to animate to live action could like fall off a cliff. I think Cowboy Bebop is by the closest thing I could maybe talk about in terms of stylization. Yeah.

Speaker: in comparison to Persona and that there's like a lot of stylization in Cowboy Bebop and that show didn't do well. But I feel like it could have been better. They they just didn't nail it. So I think you can know honestly, there's this idea that some things are not adaptable. There was this idea for years that Dune could not be adapted, right? That was not, it's not possible. You can't adapt this as a film. I just completely, I looked at that. I read the book and I'm like, why? i could not understand what they were saying. And then I watched the movie by the first, day like Dune part one by Denis Villeneuve. And I was like,

Speaker: i don't know what you're talking about. like why Why would you ever think that anyway? I just don't really understand. it like At the time, maybe I understand the CG, the graph visual effects, like the the technology may not have been there to actually nail it.

Speaker: But I think you could do it for everything, maybe. It's just... I don't know. It can be very tough. It'll be interesting. Uh, like in terms of the stylization or even just broadly, do you think this will succeed?

Speaker: Like, what do you think? Like, you think it will, what do you think? Like, what's your predictions? Are you confident in this situation? Cause we don't really know about Monfet. I feel like that's not, yeah, I'm looking here. Terry Metallus was the 12 monkey showrunner and then Terry Metallus was brought on for Picard in the second season.

Speaker: Yeah. And then he kind of turned the fates around for the show for the audience. Quartz looks like. yeah Um, but I don't know. I mean, everything has potential. Again, I just, I don't know what this guy is. i love persona. I think person has some great stories. I think it can be done well. I think you, I think there is a potential for it.

Speaker: You bring in a fricking bopping ass soundtrack. You bring in maybe ah an awesome, you know, show opening. You show the credits really stylized.

Speaker: You have maybe seen transitions that are very stylized. So I i think you'd do something with it. The soundtrack is a great point. That's a huge piece of persona, as you would attest, obviously. But what are they going to do with that? Are they going to use Japanese songs or are they going to go fully American? I think it will be an American high school. The that' why music the music is in English.

Speaker: I get it, but there is a style to it that's not distinct. It doesn't feel like listening to the sound. Maybe I'm wrong, but it does feels like the poppiness of it. is It feels like Japanese pop versus American pop. like It's not s Sabrina Carpenter.

Speaker: yeah So it's ah it's not s Sabrina Carpenter. I don't know Japanese pop well enough to be like this. This sounds like Japanese pop, but like it's every game has a different style, like a different music, musical style. Like the third one is, is almost like hop focused in a lot of ways. There's like rap tracks a lot of the time, but they made them for the game though. Right.

Speaker: The music. Was it made for the game or no? They were made for the game. Yeah. Right. yeah. so That's not very common in a TV show. You think that will happen here? Because there's an element like that they created these these pop songs essentially for a game. That's kind of what they are, right? You would, again, know better than I. But they yeah they put the work into doing that. Would they do that here? Is Christopher Monfette going to say, like I'm going to hire like Japanese pop pop artists or like whatever, the artists to make this?

Speaker: in the style for my first season, maybe it'll be an anthology series. you think that will be the case too? Different high school each time, similar to persona. That's what I was saying. Yeah. You do think that would be anthology. Okay. Sorry. That's what I was saying. That is, I would hope that would be more anthology focused. Like you, almost like a skin or something.

Speaker: Yeah. I blanked it. i i'm like Not like the tattoo. I knew the tattoo isn't, you know, you didn't know the tattoo is there. I didn't know it was there. definitely didn't know it was there. You knew of it. You just didn't know was there. No, no, no. You're right. did hear that anthology thing. Yeah. Okay.

Speaker: So, but then you do a different soundtrack style each time too, though, in, in the good in that vein. You could, but would you, again, would you create original music? That's, that's really weird though. That is rare, isn't it? That's not, doesn't happen that often. You see like a, a big song in a film that happens all the time, especially James Bond every single time. um But like you, you don't,

Speaker: original ah film like songs is is very common, but you don't really get that much more than one or two. Like it's interesting to see like how many songs are in the average persona film, a game that are fresh.

Speaker: A lot. They're all fresh. 30, 40, 50. It's crazy. so on And they're lyrical. like I'm not saying they're they're not composed. They're not like a a composition from Bear McCreary on The God of War. They're literally fully fully fleshed out songs that you could listen to. Some of them are. Where'd those come from? Oh, some of them are are for sure soundtrack score. Not every single song has lyrics. Yeah, There is a lot of score, but then again, like there are like Songs there, it's like, bang, and then like rap songs and stuff. Like, it's always like tied to a setting. Like, you know, it's like there's the dorm room song that plays or there's the, you know, song in the shopping district or whatever else. But yeah. Right. Again, I think there's a lot of potential if you really, really focus in on the characters

Speaker: building relationships, and then kind of more focus on the real world mystery that's going on. And then, you know, cross into the other universe and then don't make it kind of like hokey and weird looking. i don't know. There's a lot of potential.

Speaker: ah So that's where I'll end it. ah Final verdict, glass half full, glass half empty. Glass half full. Yes, Adrian positivity. I love it. All right. Adrian positivity. That's my name.

Speaker: That's right. It's a P at the end of my name. That's what it stands for. Oh, didn't know that. Adrian Positivity Pinter. but So it's your middle name? No. It's my last name. anyway My last name is Positivity Pinter.

Speaker: we're going to di We're going to dive now into the third of the trilogy of topical tidings, ah which is the Emmy nominations, which are now in, Adrian. They were announced last week. Wow. And the pit leads the pack with 25 nominations, while Hacks and Widows Bay round out the top three for a number of nominations.

Speaker: um I will say this, which is really interesting. The the Emmy Awards are are being hosted by Mariska Hargitay, which i I'm confused by.

Speaker: like She's a big star. okay I get it. She's on Law & Order SVU. She's been on this show forever. It's awesome. It's cool. But she's not a comedian. and i looked I just like pulled up a list of all the hosts and I didn't find one that's not a comedian for the last 10 years. At the very least, I keep going back. like The last year was Nate Borghazi the year before that, Eugene Levy and Dan Levy, Anthony Anderson the year before that, Kenan Thompson the year before that, Cedric the Entertainer.

Speaker: Wait, is Cedric the Entertainer comedian? He is, right? He's an entertainer, I think. He sure is. He's a stand-up comic, 100%. Why don't I even question that? he was on Wasn't he on the Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee? That was stupid question by me. Jimmy Kimmel, ah Michael Che and Jolin Jost, ah Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel, Andy Samberg, Seth Meyers. We're in 2013 here. Neil Patrick Harris, Jimmy Kimmel, Jane Lynch, Jimmy jilly Fallon. Okay, i can go on, but it's interesting. Mariska Argette, that's the first thing i'll I'll point out. Is there anything else? Is there anything specific?

Speaker: that stands out to you about the nominations, about the, the actual event, this event, this, this 78 Emmy awards ceremony is being like the primetime awards is yeah airing on September 14th, 2026. So we've got some time before that airs, but is there anything that stands out to you for, for the list of snubs or, or nominees?

Speaker: Yeah. You're like, yay. Or no. So there's like there's a, I'm going to start. You, you, you already touched on it. The pit is leading the pack. Yeah. Too many nominations for The Pit, okay? Overrated? Question mark? Overrated to shit. Okay, I enjoy The Pit. I watch i was watching it.

Speaker: I've watched every episode. I'm up to date. Yeah. That's one of the most overrated fucking pieces of television of all time. I'm not joking. The audience score- Not bad. Not bad. You mean it's overrated, but definitely good. It's just, it shouldn't have 25 nominations. No. And honestly, Hacks is kind of the same thing. I love Hacks. I finished Hacks- I really enjoyed it. I think Hacks is one of the most overrated comedies of all time. Is it great? Is it really, really great? Yes. Is it leading the pack constantly and winning every single year that it's released? Great. God, no. Okay? I'm gonna just going to draw the line in the set. However, this is Hacks' final year. I feel like, yeah, you know let it go off with a bang. But didn't it already just win?

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Even though it wins almost every single year that it that it airs. Which is... I just don't think that's totally fair. But again, I really like hacks. I don't want to come off as a negative, especially, you know, i don't want to be one of them sexist folk, you know? Oh, I see. I don't want to be them sexist folk because it's a woman, woman led TV show. I just, I genuinely believe it's overrated. Although again,

Speaker: phenomenal cast. like It's great. I really like Hacks. You know what? Hacks deserves it this year. I'll give it that much. I don't know about that. The fifth season of the Hacks is actually the best season. the fifth so The final season is the best. You're saying they deserve comp best comedy. So these the comedies. I feel like this stacked here. That's what I got from this particular list of Emmy noes nominates nominations this year.

Speaker: um For best comedy series, this this is what they're up against. ah Hacks is up against. The Bear, which would be season four. So to be fair. Actually, wait. Would it be? I don't know.

Speaker: i got to look that up because season five is are really good. And the bear did win to beat out hacks previously. Right. Right. Or no, it was hacks is aired the for next year because where what are they on three or four seasons for hacks of of the bear? No, the hacks. It's this is the fifth and final season that just so then they have to be. They were always going up against the bear. So the bear won for the second season.

Speaker: Right. Yeah. Or was it the first season? I don't know. I'd have to look that up, dude. Too many things to look up. Abbott Elementary, The Bear, Hax, Margo's Got Money, Troubles on Apple TV, Nobody Wants This on Netflix, Only Murders in the Building on Hulu, Shrinking on Apple TV, Widow's Bay on Apple TV.

Speaker: Abbott Elementary was ABC, The Bear was FX on Hulu. yeah But that's what they're going up against, what Hax is going up against. i don't I think Shrinking is amazing. And I think the ending of that is really incredible.

Speaker: Is Hax the last season? Well, you didn't watch did you watch the... ah hacks and hacks You did. You don't listen to me. I told you. i that Yeah, I did. Sorry. you're You're like, I listen to you. I listen all the time. I know everything you say. I remember everything you say. And then this would not say I remember everything you say. I said, I remember it with a tattoo.

Speaker: Which, yeah, oh my God. i don't think you remember half the things I say. but yeah what is it I don't, but at least I know myself. A significant thing about a tattoo I would remember. I'm not going to remember. just said this now. what you're saying? Yeah, I did. Sorry, dude. But...

Speaker: but But you didn't bring it up. but do You didn't bring up the last season, did you? That's what I'm trying to say. i didn't i don't remember you. or Maybe did. That's why my memory is fuzzy. i don't I didn't remember you talking about the last season. we I was watching it week to week. Maybe I never went back to it. yeah Maybe.

Speaker: It doesn't matter. It was really good. I really liked it. Does it deserve to win in this list? um Abbott elementary. I kind of fell off after the second or third season, the bear. I love the bear. I'd probably put the bear higher than hacks. Margo's got money troubles. Didn't watch this. Nobody wants this.

Speaker: The second season was fine. I don't think it really deserves to get nominated. Only murders in the building. Didn't watch this shrinking is arguably the best comedy i airing on television and widow's Bay. I didn't watch this, but I heard really good. Very good.

Speaker: Yeah. So I don't know if it yeah necessarily deserves it. I find it interesting though. It, So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I guess we'll find out. But anyways, my point was the pit nominated for too many things. We went off on a tangent there because I was talking about overrated. Everything's overrated. That's the name of this episode. Everything's overrated. The pit is overrated. Just put the pit is overrated. Write that down on a pen and paper. it is overrated ah The pit is overrated as shit. um Do I like the pit? Yes. but good.

Speaker: But good. Yeah, it's But good. The pit is overrated, but good. um yeah Just to be clear, I want to be clear about something. I just go back to this for a second. Okay. I get, I missed that. You said the thing about hacks and you watched season five. I apologize. I do apologize. I should have listened to you there. oh my god I am trying to do multiple things. I am hosting the show. I am looking up things as I go. You don't really do that that much. Okay. I'm acting as producer. I'm looking things up. I wrote the show. Okay. Give me a little bit of cut me some slack a little bit. Just, just a tiny bit, but I i do apologize. that was, that was unacceptable that I missed what you said.

Speaker: Unacceptable. I agree. I agree. It was unacceptable. I appreciate you acknowledging that. um But anyways, the the pit, come on, man. Three nominations for best supporting actor, um four nominations for best supporting actress. Like you're you're taking up like half the air oxygen in these categories.

Speaker: It's come on, come on. Yeah, come on. Come on. Do you you guys watch other shows? Do you guys watch other shows? Not to not to disrespect these actors in in the show. Were they great? Yes.

Speaker: were Were they all really good? Yes. But come on, come on, come on. Night of the Seven Kingdoms, not getting any nominations for for a Best Supporting Actor or anything. You're not you're not nominating your ah Daniel Ings for Sir Lionel Baratheon. He's not nominated for Supporting Actor. he's not doing that. You're not doing that.

Speaker: It's like, come on, come on. come Come on. You know what I mean? Maybe the show is called Come On. like Is that what the show is? could be. could be. We'll figure it out. Them fighting words, though, for sure. But, you know, you're you're not doing that. you're you'rere yeah i just i just find it, i don't know. It's it's just...

Speaker: it't It don't make no sense. It don't make no sense for me. Right. It's like, yeah yeah have you not watched these other television series? There's a lot of shows. There's been so many shows, Simon. you know I've never watched all of them.

Speaker: I looked this up while I was listening to you. It is for season four? okay cool. It is for season four. But that was like kind of the worst rate rated season, so there's no chance to beat Hacks. Which is good for next year because the bear might win for season five, which I think right now is on to a roaring is like a ro start. It's all completely launched on Hulu right now as of the time of this episode and I guess at the time of when it initially aired. But what was it, two weeks ago?

Speaker: No, a week ago. Yeah, the bear was since we recorded. It was in in a time frame him within the last couple weeks. Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah. Within the the last couple weeks. um Yeah. yeah i just i just find it silly.

Speaker: Come on. I mean, come on. um So yeah, just just just found that a little bit odd. Now- Apart from that, I'm really glad to see some of these shows getting some love.

Speaker: Okay. You know, I'm i'm very glad that A Night of the Seven Kingdoms was nominated. It's arguably, you know, some of the best, some of the some of the greatest, some of the best um Game of Thrones. I'm watching House of the Dragon. i didn't I didn't bring that up as well. um' You know, I'm watching that kind of.

Speaker: Week to week. And is it good? It's great. It's awesome. Season three is awesome. we're We're only two episodes in. I think there's four episodes out as as the time of this recording. So i'm not watching it week to week because my my wife's just like not vibing with it as much.

Speaker: Okay. so um But I

Speaker: forget where I was going with it. Not important. None of the Seven Kingdoms is amazing. And it's really good. yeah And it's just, you know, I just feel like it's not getting... It's not getting any any love. Like, I feel like you you should have, I guess there's it's a much smaller, you know, um group of nominees for for lead actor in the ah in a drama series. But, you know, it would have been awesome to see like Dexter Solancel, you know, be nominated for best actor for for Egg or even best supporting.

Speaker: Yeah. that' so Yeah. Maybe best supporting, like, you know, nominating them for that. Cause like, I mean, come on. I mean, come on. Three guys from the pit. Come on. I mean, come on, come on, dude. Like it's it's just, it's just a little absurd. So there's a little bit of frustration. I feel like they, the people nominating all the, all this stuff that they're like, I don't know where are you living? Where are you doing? You just watching like six shows. You just watching the six main shows. You just watching the pit.

Speaker: You just watching the pit. Is the only limited series or anthology series that you watched DTF St. Louis? Is that all you watched? I don't know. I never watched that show. Apparently it's good though. Apparently it's good. Yeah, it is. Jason Bateman, David Arbor.

Speaker: It's true. It's what they say. That's they say. But it's like, what they say. I don't know, man. It just seems... it i feel like they're not spreading the love as much. feel like they're not spreading the love here. you know And I feel like there's a lot of love to spread here.

Speaker: There's one specific one that I feel like was snubbed in the Best Drama or Best Comedy Series. Because I don't know that it's... I feel like it is could have landed in the Comedy Series bucket.

Speaker: But I feel like it should have been nominated for Best in one of these categories is Wonder Man. I think that it should have been nominated there. But yeah, Yahya Abdul-Mateen II did get nominated for, I think it was drama.

Speaker: Yeah, lead actor in a comedy series. It was comedy. Oh, they couldn't have classed it as comedy. Cool, yeah. I think that that's a bit of a snub because honestly, is really good. That is something that really think that you should watch eventually.

Speaker: I think that you would really like it. I might. Is that i have that me recommending that to you? Yes. Yes, it is. That's my next recommendation. man. Really? you're You're pulling that card already? too close. It's too close. Okay, I'll stop. No, no. It's it's not too close, but it's like it's a show. That's a big commitment.

Speaker: Okay, big. I played a whole video game for you, but it's fine. Come on. I bought one on there. You played a ah video game for me that was arguably like you know the best rated video game of the last however many years. You know what I mean? Everyone was like- That was overrated as well. 11.

Speaker: Is it overrated? I agree with you. That's definitely agree with you. Because because only because of how many game awards it won. It is amazing. the But the game awards is ridiculous. That was ridiculous. No, I agree. I agree. I actually agree with you. why.

Speaker: I mean, yeah yeah. I mean, come on. It is really good, though. It is really excellent. It's great arguably better than The Pit. It's much better than The Pit. I'm telling you that much. The Pit is the most overrated shit, dude.

Speaker: It's crazy. I'm fortunate. Dude, come on. For the, maybe we'll go through the drama because it's kind of fun. But that's best drama nominees are The Diplomat, The Gilded Age, Identity the Seven Kingdoms, which you mentioned, Paradise, which I intend to watch 100%. It looks like a good, really good time, but it looks kind of almost a little crazy. Like the Rotten Tomatoes score is not that high. So it's like, I feel like it's just a fun time. Everyone who's told me that they've watched it, they were like, yeah, you watch this. I've been recommended by at least two people, one in my family and one in my work, one of my colleagues. The Pit obviously was nominated for Best Drama Series. Pluribus, that's one of the things I want to say as a standout. I was really happy about how many times Pluribus was nominated. Slow Horses is always good, every time. It's really great. It never seems to win this category. That's because The Pit's going to win it.

Speaker: And then Your Friends and Neighbors, also on Apple TV. Apple TV is killing it in the in both both buckets. I think they may have the most... No, HBO Max is also killing it too. Because the pit.

Speaker: Yeah, because of the And Hacks, which is funny because they're both both HBO as well. There's a lot of HBO love over at the Emmys, ah the voting crowd. But yeah, your Friends and Neighbors is really great as well. I think, what would I pick out of both of these drama series and comedy series if I was picking...

Speaker: I love the bear season four. Personally, I think it's awesome. I think shrinking is a season for a season two. Sorry. And it's really no season three. Wait, what is it? Is it season two? It's always confusing with the Emmys.

Speaker: We never know about time. Here's what I'm picking, actually. Widow's Bay for comedy. Really? It's really good. It's really good, and it was kind of a surprise like hit. It's really, really excellent. I really it. You should recommend that to me. I would watch that.

Speaker: That's a TV show. Wonder Man's amazing. What's wrong with that? I know, but don't really want to watch Wonder Man. Then watch Widow's Bay, then. Fine. No, yeah i'm not um i'm I'm not going to recommend. Let me let me let me take out. like That's your right. The pressure can't be on. i just Have I recommended anything to you since? You haven't? No. Yeah, I'm not going to.

Speaker: Okay. Yeah, I'm not going to right now. I'm going hold off. You're right. I'm i'm pulling i'm pulling the the recommendation. The plug. I can only recommend one recommendation at a time. I'm going pull it. you watched You watched Fleabag, right? You have watched Fleabag.

Speaker: I almost watched Fleabag. Okay. Fleabag, that's my recommendation to you. I'm on the last episode. Of the season? sir You're not really recommending it because i've I've been watching it.

Speaker: You've been watching Fleabag? I just stopped only recently because it's something I have to watch on my own. um So i I love the second season. I prefer the second season, actually. Yeah, the second season is the best. Yeah, I'm on the last episode, I think. I just i stopped the finale somehow and I just didn't go back to it. I got distracted. I didn't want to watch it on the plane.

Speaker: Or no, it was on the, when I was in Canada, I didn't want to watch it okay there. So cause I didn't want to watch it on the small screen, I think. So I watched Invincible instead. So they animated just like, I don't know. I don't know why. Small. Either way would have worked.

Speaker: Anyways. Um, but yeah, I am watching that. So if you're recommending it to me, sure, but I'm one in a one, one episode. I'm on, I'm on recommending that. I should have just let you do it though, because then I'm like, look, see, see the, I always watch the things that you recommend. Um, you kind of already recommended it to be fair. Uh, before.

Speaker: But anyway, what am I doing? What am I saying? is Do i have anything else before we move on to the the things we're excited that they're coming out? You weren't going to say what you would choose? You didn't say what you were going to choose. Oh, for the drama. The drama.

Speaker: The drama category. Because comedy, I would pick what is big. I like that. It's a fun one. ah I think for drama series... let's give slow horses some love. It's so good. Every season it's good. And that's a comedy, honestly, more than the bear. I got to say way more than the bear. I don't There is barely ever for funny.

Speaker: Yeah. There was a moment we laughed in the most recent episode that we watched. think it was episode five and was like, ha ha. I was like, that was a joke. It's like, it's such a weird thing. You got to point out for watching the bear in the comedy when it's in the comedy category. It is interesting. Like, I don't know. Like the, I feel like the bear is a comedy. Like it's consistently funny. Like I feel like I'm like a laughing quite a few times per episode, but it's not like joke. It's not punchlines. It's, it's just, that's okay. It's just people doing shit where you're like, man, this guy's crazy.

Speaker: Like it's, you know, yeah it it's good. the facts, the facts in in particular. Yeah. They're always, they're always doing wacky shit. yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what would you pick then for those two pieces? Those are the best drama series. I'm going pick slow horses and,

Speaker: and widow's bay um drama series i don't know i probably gotta pick pluribus because it's just so good but right now if i'm talking about my personal mood right now it's a night of the seven kingdoms okay this just drama based yeah drama for comedy i was gonna have to do one of these

Speaker: you know what well i'll just give it to hacks because it's the final season why Because it's final season. I changed my opinion, actually. I think that shrinking for comedy is Shrinking is my choice, actually. goddamn good.

Speaker: And I just looked it up, and it literally is the third season. That's why. Okay, then then shrinking. Then I'm going to back to shrinking. It is just so good. That last episode, I'm like, wow, you could just close it here. Do I want you to make another season? I don't know. Because that was a really good way to end that show.

Speaker: That's a really, really good episode. yeah that whole That whole season's good. Season two, the end of season two is also incredible, actually. And that didn't win either, because Hax won. And I think that also doesn't make sense. That that speech Harrison Ford gives in that party,

Speaker: And then the end of that, whether they go to like the train station, I just love that scene. It's a lot of sequence of the last it's incredible. and That show is really great. It's like they hit their stride from Ted Lasso. Ted Lasso is also really great. But then they just brought Bill, uh, it's Bill Lawrence, right? Bill Lawrence and team.

Speaker: Like, I feel like there's just Brett Goldstein. They just kill it with the writer's room. And they just, that's a great cast. Great writer's room. It's just awesome. And it's so heartfelt and it's, sad and beautiful. It's beautiful.

Speaker: Widow's Bay is a bit recency biased. I think they're going to go, they're going to really hit their stride with season two. I do love it though. I don't recommend it to you, um but i think it's excellent. I'm going to list off just a few snubs and things that I i was interested in.

Speaker: I'll say, i said, yeah, yeah. Abdul Mateen, the second nominee for wonder man. That's awesome. I feel like he, he was excellent. Yeah. So that's great. Pluribus got a lot of love, love that. No stranger things love almost at all. It's actually completely, it's interesting. Like it's a one of the most popular shows ever, ah in some way. And we're not ever, but certainly in the last year, um, for being like, not being nominated. It's, it's interesting. Um, yeah,

Speaker: it's just the And then I wrote down it's a stacked year. And then one other thing. Oh, I said, ah interesting. Matthew Reese was nominated for Best Actor in a Limited Series and beast in Beast and Me on Netflix. He was also nominated for Best Comedy in Widow's Bay. And I think it's well-deserved. I saw this. ah the The crazy thing. The reason why I went off about Matthew Reese being great a few weeks ago or yeah like a few episodes back is because I saw a clip. i don't know if you've seen this clip on Netflix like pop up as like the preview for a Beast and Me.

Speaker: I don't use Netflix as much now, but he showed up in this. It's Clara Danes and him, and he's just so creepy in it. It's awesome. I'm like, I want to watch this show just because of the way this guy's acting. And that's why the Widow's Bay thing, that' he pulled me in for that too. And I'm just so happy I watched that show because this Widow's Bay is incredible. So I'm curious to see if he wins for either of these. The other one was nominated for both. ah The other two guys, the other two actors, I didn't notice, actually. I was going to write down if I noticed any actresses as well. I didn't think I did. That's why I didn't write it. But Jason Bateman and Nick Offerman also nominated twice for acting, which is cool in different categories, like different different things.

Speaker: I thought that was neat. um yeah that's it that's all i have yeah that's all i got all right that's fair the one thing i also want to point out and i i know hannah einbinder she's one for best supporting actress in a comedy series multiple years as well yeah um she shouldn't be supporting actress I'm telling you right now, she's she's the main character. hacks I feel like this this is politics. This is internal HBO politics. I mean, come on. right Come on.

Speaker: Come on. Right. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, just want to finish it with the pit got too many nominations. It's overrated. Yeah. The pit is overrated. That's what I got written here. Like you told me to. The pit is overrated. I wrote it. But Yeah.

Speaker: It's good though. It's good though. But good. The thing with the pit is it's, they're not human beings. ah Even though there are these human moments, the way they talk, it's like, okay nobody talks like that. So the dialogue's not good. Okay.

Speaker: I mean, sometimes, I mean, like, I don't know if it's good because they're just doing doctor stuff. They're like, doctor, doctor, doctor. the They're a doctor. You know, they're they're just saying not like. gary Not like Gary. Not like Gary. Not like Gary. They ain't saying the word retarded in the pit, okay? You know, and ah that's how you know it's human.

Speaker: It's also in modern time. So it's in twenty it takes place 2025 to 2026. Yeah, that's true. That's true. But people say that. You say it all the time. you you literally do know i do not say it. You have that tattooed on your back. Actually, i saw your tattoo when you came over, dude.

Speaker: Crazy. Crazy choice. It just says that word. That's it? Yeah. I don't know why. Oh, you had a perfect opportunity. I just set you up. I gave you a layup. i I gave you a layup. I gave you a alley-oop and you just didn't smack it down. why You didn't slam dunk it.

Speaker: It just says the word. It says the word that starts with R. That's it. Yeah. That's all it says. Okay. That's fine. so i gave it I gave you another alley-oop. I threw it up. I threw the ball up. You you just went, oh, fumbled it. It hit you in the head. right and then jump edge your okay And then you also have your face tattooed under it.

Speaker: and There you go. See? See? That was not- Bada boom, bada The punch wasn't- Anyways, that was offensive. We shouldn't be joking about that. Yeah. Yeah. so Okay.

Speaker: All right. Well, now on to a segment of our show that I like to call a Look to the Future. A portion of our podcast where each of us present at least three of our picks for the TV series or movies that look most interesting to us that are releasing between the dates of July 14th, Adrian, and July 2026.

Speaker: twenty twenty six What are your picks, sir? Okay, man. Honestly, i couldn't find too many things. Maybe I'm blind. Maybe i'm maybe i'm maybe maybe it's Maybelline, but I couldn't find too many things. um yeah Yeah, really. So I'll start with something that's coming out tomorrow from when this day airs, July 15th.

Speaker: Yeah. It is an Apple TV Plus original series called Lucky. i don't know if you're familiar with this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anya Taylor-Joy. Is she even lucky or is she unlucky?

Speaker: We don't know. It seems like an action-packed romp. this When I saw the trailer originally, I'm like, this this seems like a movie. But it's not a movie. It's series. They that every time. That was yeah that that was the issue. They've kind of fixed that problem on Apple TV. But everything they ever showed, I used to joke with like in retail with the Apple rep. I'm like, is this a movie or is it a TV show? I would play that game with them. Every time there was an advertisement for a specific thing on Apple TV, it's very unclear every time.

Speaker: like there's that um There's a Samuel l Jackson a TV show, a Ptolemy Gray. I can't remember if it the – the happenings of Patel and Lee Gray or something. i do we was convinced that was a movie with Samuel L. Jackson and it turned out to be a TV show. and i I couldn't tell you that that was the case. and That happened multiple times with their shows. They started to be more clear. They're like episodes airing every Wednesday or something like that eventually at the end of their their trailers. But yeah, this is a... a A TV show with Anya Taylor-Joy and Timothy Oliphant is in ah in a big way too, who I really like in everything.

Speaker: Anya Taylor-Joy is great in everything, and so is Timothy Oliphant. All right. My pick is the most obvious one that I'm sure you just left for me. um It's The Odyssey, Adrian.

Speaker: And The Odyssey comes out on July 17th, and it is incredibly exciting. It's coming in in a few coming out in a few short days. We are waiting to watch this movie when we go to see it in 70mm IMAX. Yeah. imax um because honestly the reason but there's two reasons one I'm doing like a family cottage getaway and so that didn't work out but also we didn't buy tickets nearly early enough because the IMAX showings were very very booked up even for the the showing I booked like in like the end of July it is I tried to get the best seats I could. i hope people aren't upset with me because tried. How many of us are going? Is it me, you, your brother?

Speaker: ah There are six of us going in total. Six. um Yeah. It's almost a family affair. I'm revealing this to you now. my sister might not come for a specific reason, but we'll see. It's my sister and her husband and then okay my brother and then you, of course, and then my wife and and myself, obviously. Okay. So six in total.

Speaker: So this is a family affair. I'm just, I'm sixth wheeling. Kinda. My sister wasn't going to go, and i don't think my brother even knows she's going. I just asked her. Yeah, I'll explain to you after the show maybe why i didn't. I felt bad not to ask her in general, but also there's a reason why I asked her for a different reason.

Speaker: It's okay. I don't mind. you I'm being suspicious. I'm so happy. But no, I'm going hang out with you. I'm not going to ignore you. Don't worry. You won't be alone. I'm just going to stay in the corner. ah Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker: Okay. Well, yeah. Well, you'll be seated be seated in the corner. It's not quite the corner. I didn't get the corner. Thank God. booked seats that weren't that bad. The 70 millimeter IMAX, dude, it's exciting. you know what's interesting? So I booked this in the Mississauga Cineplex. There are nine theaters throughout Canada that are playing 70 millimeter IMAX so for the Odyssey. The interesting thing is I'm pretty sure the Scotiabank Theater in Toronto does play 70 millimeter IMAX. But they're not doing it for this one? They're not doing it.

Speaker: Vaughn Colossus, where we could have gone to see Sinners, is is doing it, which is cool. And Mississauga is doing it. But when we tried to go to see Sinners in 70 millimeter IMAX, they didn't have the film. They didn't just didn't do the film projection. And I thought they'd gotten rid of their film projector, the 70 millimeter film projector for IMAX. Because we saw Sinners in IMAX, but it was digital IMAX because we had no choice. Because if Vaughn was the only place in the in the like vicinity that we could have gone to and it was completely booked up when you went to go look for tickets, you bought them, I think, for that one, right?

Speaker: I can't remember. For For Sinners. Sinners? I don't remember. It might have been you. it might have been me. But regardless of that, like Rathburn Road, like Mississauga Square One, like IMAX didn't have the option, which I thought was interesting. Now it did. So we got 70 millimeter IMAX. they They've...

Speaker: They got the film um film reels. It's exciting. 15. And then we're going to watch Spooner Man the day before as well, which is really crazy. Yeah, we got like a like a stacked stacked week of movies. there There's a bunch of people going to go in a Spider-Man dude.

Speaker: Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know how many people are going to Spider-Man? How many? would George, worship should I guess seven more? Damn it. Seven's such a good number. You screwed Nine of us.

Speaker: Kick someone out. Kick two people out. Okay, I'll kick two people out. I won't tell them. They're just gone. You should have said it to me. That's, again, opportunity. Well, I don't want to be rude. I don't want to be a bully. You and your wife are out. You like seven?

Speaker: Yeah. yeah that Get the effort out of here. Get here. You like seven in the movie? What's in the box, Simon? Oh, my God. great If you're thinking about the theater as a box, not you, Simon, because we're going for seven.

Speaker: Because you're done. You're out of here. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There's there's nine of us. There's me. That's pretty stacked, dude. It's me. It's you. Don. You made it sound like it it wasn't that much. When when you talk you're like, oh, these guys are responding to me. I'm just going to buy tickets now.

Speaker: Well, I did. And then i bought the then I bought the four additional tickets after. Oh, cool. Is this, he's pretty good for AVX. Like, was it okay for fine? They're fine. Okay. It was pretty stacked. I'm assuming this movie is going huge.

Speaker: They're both huge. But no, it's, ah it ain't bad. Cause it's, yeah, it's, it's my, wife me and my wife, you and your wife can. Yeah. And my pal sin it. Yeah.

Speaker: And then his wife. Nice. And then my pal Aaron. Yeah. And then, um, not his wife. He doesn't have a wife. He's married to the job. He's married to the job. He is married to the job. He's working in the mines. i want my dog And then my pal, Joey or pal Joey.

Speaker: Okay. So nine. Good stuff. I can't remember. i think David works. Oh shit. I shouldn't. No, no. David's doing that thing. Because, yeah, originally there was going to be of us. David's a Spider-Man guy. He's a big sp he's he is Spider-Man.

Speaker: He's actually, yeah. He's a big Spider-Man. Yeah. And ah he works at a comic book shop with Spider-Man there. Yeah. And he's the Spider-Man there. But anyways, he's doing some like early access screening that he's going with his brother. And he's like, oh, yeah. oh Because i was like I was like, oh, you guys want to go? and And then he's like, oh, I'm actually going already. We already got tickets. I'm like, oh, nice. Yeah. for the invite.

Speaker: Thanks for the invite. Nice. on sin On our friend Sinnott's birthday month. Nice. Oh, wow. They didn't invite Sinnott either. Or is Sinnott going to both and he didn't want to let you down? No, I don't know. If if he's fibbing, I'm killing him.

Speaker: I'm killing my friend, dude. I'm kidding. But yeah, we're going the day after your birthday, aren't we? A couple days. Oh, no, it is the day after. Yeah, I was going to What are you doing revealing my birthday? No, it's a few days later.

Speaker: I'm not going to. I'm revealing everyone's birthday. No, don't do that Everyone every day exists. No, I need. No. You want to animate? Well, a little bit. Regardless of that, you have- Take it off. Take it off. Cut this whole portion out. I'm not cutting this shit. I'm not doing extra work because you screwed up.

Speaker: I'd screw up. I didn't do it. I didn't do nothing. didn't do nothing. No names and dates. I don't like it. I mean, come on, come on dude. Come on. Okay, you got ah you got another pick here? Yeah, July 24th. Nicholas Winding Reffen's next film, Her Private Hell.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, I had that one too. Starring Sophie Thatcher. Is it reviewed well? No, not particularly. Yeah. It's too bad. bad It's kind of sad. But whatever, it looks cool. Yes, yes, yes. wait What is it about? like I don't know.

Speaker: What is it about? I don't know. I just told you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right, right, right. You never listen to me, dude. Gosh. Right.

Speaker: um Yeah. Hmm. What should I pick? Spit it out. I don't know. have multiple. I only have two things left. I'm worried that you're going pick the other ones. All right.

Speaker: m Wait, did you? what How many picks did I pick? You just did. You started with Lucky, two right? Yeah, i started with Lucky. Then you did Odyssey. Then I did Her Private Hell.

Speaker: Right. Her Private Heck. I got one. I got one. All right, Adrian. This one stars ah one of the stars of a movie. I think we're doing the hints again. One of the stars of a movie that you thought initially was one of your favorite movies of all time.

Speaker: ah It is a is a show about golf. Hawk. It's called The Hawk. with Lonnie Hawkins and it stars Will Ferrell William Ferrell it's on Netflix this seems like it's in the style of like the Talladega Nights type type movie ah from Will Ferrell previously and it's a TV show though so we'll see how it goes yeah and yeah it's interesting though because like Talladega Nights that's Adam McKay Adam McKay Will Ferrell not friends anymore Yeah, I don't know how much how deep that goes. is that Is that completely true? Is it just rumors? I think that's true. Adam McKay talked about it.

Speaker: What's interesting about this too, so there's there's the other golf comedy called The Stick, or it' just Stick, sorry, and it stars Owen Wilson. And this stars Luke Wilson, his brother. I thought that was interesting. They're both in a comedy TV show about golf.

Speaker: i just thought that interesting. I'm more interested in Stick a little bit just because the outrageous – I feel like the outrageous Will Ferrell comedy, I'm wondering how that will do in a TV show format. But I think – I feel like if you still like those types of shows like you, Adrian, I wonder if you will like this.

Speaker: Are you going to watch this? The series you with Penn Badgley? No, no. You loved those films forever. Like Step Brothers is like – love Step Brothers. I love those films forever, dude.

Speaker: I love those films forever. Yeah, Anchorman? Yeah, I love that film forever as well. right okay i love that film forever just like the next movie on my list heart stopper forever coming out july seventeenth that's the last movie on my list i'm not even really excited about this i never watched it i think this is about like two dudes that love each other okay okay that's a film franchise i don't know where it is in the film franchise list but anyways right right that's it i'm done i'm done what do you got I got to be honest with you. I didn't didn't prepare as well as I should

Speaker: ridiculous second I got lots of options, though. That's embarrassing. I'm looking at them. I'm like, all right. The the the the the one going pick, though, is another Apple TV show, dude.

Speaker: and this I just think they're on a roll. Am I wrong? Am I biased? Dude, I was thinking about this recently. I'm going to try to make this quick, this theory.

Speaker: Netflix has got to split up, and I think they're going to eventually, their streaming service into segments, and people are going to pick it a la carte, which is really funny and ironic because that's what streaming services were to begin with compared to cable. You buy cable and you get all this shit you never wanted, and that's kind of what's going to happen, I think, with Netflix. Netflix has become so bloated. It's got ah live...

Speaker: sports sometimes. It's got, for some reason, Jake Paul fighting some guy. It's got wrestling, like WWE. w e it's got It's got a ridiculous amount of reality TV shows. There's one with furries that I can't understand. and There's so much on there. And then there's the shows that I watch, which is the comedies and dramas, etc.

Speaker: And the movies that I watched, like the Catherine Bigelow, what was that movie about DEFCON, the nuclear thing? What was it called? Do you remember what I'm talking about? No idea. Did I watch it?

Speaker: No, you didn't see it. It's about like a nuclear, like what what happens if they, Oh, I remember you talking about that. that Yeah. Where she's like, oh my God. Nuclear. yeah Yeah. Yeah. It starts Rebecca Ferguson. Right.

Speaker: I don't know. I never watched the movie. Dust, it's Rebecca Furgis. And Idris Elba. Okay, but um anyways, so my point is Apple TV is not doing that. And I'm really appreciating how they curate their content. they they They put money into a very specific avenue of very, very, very, very high quality content. That's why I love Apple TV so much.

Speaker: And that's, I don't know, i wish Netflix was that again. But Netflix was kind of never like that because they always licensed content. They always were bloated in some way in that aspect. But when they started getting into original content, ah content they stopped licensing as much.

Speaker: And I just think that they're licensing so much. Dude, how much am I subsidizing the video games on Netflix? Why am I paying for this? It's $26 a month, and I'm never going to play a single video game on Netflix. No offense.

Speaker: You're not going to play the the hit game that they came out with the other night, the other day, that whatever it's called, that I played? No. With Troy Baker in it? No. Yeah. not playing it. Was Zoe Kravitz in it? Was Sadie Sink in it?

Speaker: Yeah, I should have lied with those names because they literally are the – I'm going to film the podcast. Yeah. Well, Troy Baker, best known for his role in The Last of Us TV series. yeah. course. As the one guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one guy. But like, yeah, do you see my point though?

Speaker: yeah. I feel like the ones that curate the content the best are the best streaming services at the moment. Like Amazon Prime is a very good value, so therefore they are pretty good, but they are way bloated because they've got every streaming service within themselves, which is just stupid. You just got to make something really high quality like Apple's doing. Apple's not kind of veering off this though because they do have like um the the soccer, the American Soccer League in there. i can't remember the name of that acronym.

Speaker: But they've got the American Soccer League in there, which I'm not a big fan of because I don't want to pay for that. I'd rather... ASL? No. American Sign Language? American Soccer League. Is that what it is? It's like that. It's like... Oh my God. Why we always do this? what? I'm a fan of facts. So whenever we say something wrong, I feel bad and I have to look it up. It's a problem. I have a disease. Well, that's the best part about me is I don't... I don't.

Speaker: MLS. Is that what you said? No, it isn't. Yeah, that's exactly what said. I said MLS. That's not what you said. No, I said MLS. Major League Soccer. But anyway, ah the pick, did stall long enough?

Speaker: Because I just found it. No, I'm kidding. I had it already. What are we talking about? Adrian, the dink is the is the is the show I'm picking here. The other thing I'm interested in that's airing. The dink. You know about this? no You know about this?

Speaker: Isn't that the movie? No, it's... The Dink? That's a movie. it a movie? Oh, it a movie. I'm so sorry. It is a movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. Also, that's July 24th. I know about this one. This is Nick Johnson, and he's doing Pickleball. Jake.

Speaker: Jake Johnson. I said Jake Johnson. That's what said. He said Nick. Nick is his character from New Girl. so Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay, cool. Anyway, looks good. Nick from New Girl. It's exciting.

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah, anyway. Alrighty. On the next thing. We're done. Yeah, let's get out of here. Let's get out of here. um Sorry. I'm going to pull in my document. Okay. Adrian, now on to the segment of our show called the Trailer.

Speaker: the finals The final segment of our show where we each present our favorite trailer of the week. We pick one. There's one I have in mind. I feel like you did not pick this one. This will be interesting. If you pick this, I'll be impressed. But also...

Speaker: uh fascinated you tell me what it is and then i'll tell you if i picked it no first pick yours no go first last morning you go first no it's not customary there's no customs we're not at the border between canada and america okay we're not we're not flying in what are you talking about i don't know i don't even know anymore The trailer. What's your pick? Oh, yeah. I'm going to actually pick something that launched like within the last few hours, actually, just before i knew you and I sat down. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: I know what it is Is it? Do you know? Wait, last few hours? Yeah, like just before we started recording it I think I know what it is. Should I guess before you do it? Sure. Is it the Digger trailer?

Speaker: No, it's not the Digger trailer. Okay, okay. Digger trailer. Yes. No, I get it. That was good, though. Did you watch it?

Speaker: No. Okay, it's good. It's really cool. I was watching the... What? It's a full-length trailer. Yeah, I was going to watch it. was going to watch it. Chameleon doubt. It's cool.

Speaker: He looks like calm trues. Sorry. I don't know. I'm just trying to riff here. What does that mean? just trying to riff. Just go where your mind was at with that joke. I was going to talk about the Crystal Lake trailer. The Crystal Lake trailer, it's the prequel to – I didn't this. It's Friday the 13th, Jason Voorhees, but it's about his mom. It's Linda Cardellini. Oh, is it?

Speaker: Yeah, it's Linda Cardellini as ah Jason Voorhees' mom. Oh, at at the camp. ah Okay. Camp Crystal Lake and her killing people and stuff. Okay. kind of the the setup for um the f Friday the 13th. It's, I think this was 824, like produced the show and it's going to be releasing on Peacock in the States. I don't know where in Canada, but yeah.

Speaker: I'm intrigued about this. I'm not a big like Jason fan, you know, like, but that was like when, like, I think he was at the height when I was like ah too young and I didn't really appreciate slasher movies and horror as much back then. And now that I'm like kind of into slashers, I'm into horror, you know, I'm i'm down for something like this. So I'm intrigued. I'm i'm um' i'm quite intrigued for this.

Speaker: Okay. Sounds good. What, what did you think I was going to choose? I just said it. Sorry, what did you think that you would be impressed if you choose that that I chose? Oh, the the movie. So this is ah a trailer for a film that I was like, whoa, this looks awesome. I'm wondering if you saw this trailer, actually.

Speaker: But it's a trailer for the movie Your Mother, Your Mother, Your Mother. Did you see this trailer? No. It's directed by Bassem Tariq and his star is Mahershala Ali. And the trailer is badass. And this is one of the things that I've said many times now on this show, and this episode like on our podcast, is that this segment of the show is not about necessarily what is a good movie, but it's about what is a good trailer. What is a good composed, well-edited trailer that is just really excellent?

Speaker: I think this movie will be very good. I do think that. But it's interesting because Bassem Tariq is... It was the director of Blade and Mahershala Ali is in this film. so like they Did they kind of take and transpose some of the ideas they had for the Blade film that they never got to use and then make a film? I don't know if that's true, but maybe those guys just liked working with each other and that's the reason why they've made a film here. But it is an action movie where he does use a blade. so I think that's funny. but Other than that, it looks the trailer itself... that

Speaker: sound in the trail like the way that the like the narration happens in the trailer with the combination of the like the sequences and the way it's edited i think it's just really great it's excellent it's true i'll give it ah i'll give it a look i i opened the ign movie trailers youtube thing i'm gonna watch the trailer not right now but the top comment is we got muslim john wick before gta 6 i love the little Allah okay i love how i said jesus is the word i used yeah it's not not jesus actually yeah Yeah, not related. Actually, kind of related.

Speaker: Kind of really actually kind of related to be honest. um Okay. Well, be be honest. What? I like that you ended that. That was like, be honest. Like you're telling me, you're just telling the crowd, you're telling the audience to be honest, to be honest. Yeah.

Speaker: yeah Yeah. Yeah. I'm telling them. They wouldn't know. They wouldn't know unless I told them. Yeah. Okay. I got something. I'm just going to like list off some trail. Actually, you list off trailers because you already get mad at me when I do it first.

Speaker: You don't have any. don't have any. I have some, but I didn't write them down. The Dune Part 3 trailer is genuinely awesome. It is actually, I'm like tremendously interested. Oh, this was the one of the things I completely forgot about the Emmys. One of the things I was thinking about for the Emmys this year is that Zendaya was a nominated for Euphoria. Zendaya is having a heck of a year. This year is stacked for her. Like it really stacked.

Speaker: It's crazy. She's in the Odyssey, which is coming out in a few short weeks, a few short days, I should say. And then a few short weeks later, we're getting her in Spider-Man, which is going to be one of the biggest movies of the year and gross for sure.

Speaker: and box office Tom Holland's both of those as well yeah he is but then he's not in euphoria and then we've also got ah where am I missing there was one more big thing oh she's in Dune du and that's like it's crazy and she seems to have a really important part in Dune part 3 so it's really exciting i'm I'm just curious to see I don't i didn't read ah Dune Messiah I intended to do that before why did I not remember her being in Odyssey She's in Odyssey, yeah.

Speaker: Oh, okay. I believe you. Yeah, she's in it. I don't I don't know know why. Maybe I did now and I just forgot about it. She is in it. Yeah, she's in it for sure. understand there's There's a lot of actors in that movie.

Speaker: Tom Holland and Zendaya are in like both the biggest summer movies basically. The two biggest so summer movies. It's really cool. She's having a heck of a year. In that movie as well.

Speaker: What? Let me tell you something's in this movie as well. In which movie? The Odyssey. What's the, let me tell you something. It's a line. Let me tell you something. And John Bernthal is going to say. it ah okay. Let me tell you something.

Speaker: Is that the, is that a line that he always says? Or do you see that in the teaser initially? Yeah, of course. He says it all the time. He's like, let me tell you something. Yeah.

Speaker: I love Jon Bernthal like straight up. I'm a huge fan Jon Bernthal. I don't know if you saw online because back in the day, Jon Bernthal was talking a lot of shit about people that take naps or whatever. And then there's a big, the big like joke controversy where like people being like, how dare you talk about people that take naps that way?

Speaker: And then Yvonne Moss background. He took a picture of background. That's what i said. That's said. It's background. Okay, whatever. Who cares, man? ah I'm helping you out. I'm not i'm not i'm not dissing you. You're just being a bully. You're just being a bully. I'm really have speech impediment, dude. You're making fun of my speech impediment. I say things wrong.

Speaker: I say words wrong sometimes. ah And um he took a picture of Jon Bernthal napping. Yeah. And he like posted it online. Like, look who's not napping or whatever. Oh, I see. Good stuff. Good stuff. Gotcha. They seem to have a good friendship.

Speaker: Yeah. Makes me happy. would Did it start with the Punisher? That must have been where started, right? Did they meet there? Or was it before that? You know what's crazy cool as well? and i Oh, knew what this is insane. I just realized this too. Jon Bernthal's in the Odyssey and so is Tom Holland is and Jon Bernthal's in Spider-Man.

Speaker: Yeah. They're the biggest movies in the year. They got these like three. I didn't realize this, but my point I was going to make was John Bernthal and Tom Holland. They helped each other audition for the Punisher for John Bernthal and Spider-Man for Tom Holland. Did you know that? No, i didn't. They knew each other long ago before they even got either of their roles.

Speaker: That's so cool. That is really cool. That's the case. And now they're kind of, it's a weird, I don't know what the mentorship role is going to be like, but I'm sure there's some kind of like strange brotherly love mentorship type type situation with the, in Spider-Man brand new day.

Speaker: But that, um yeah, that, that movie is going to be so, I i mean, it but could be bad, but it looks like it's going to be so good based on the trailer. So I'm very excited. Nice. um Did it, did, Did they show one of the characters from Daredevil in that movie?

Speaker: In the trailer? Did you watch the latest trailer for Spider-Man? Yeah, but i don't remember. okay I'm going to take a look at that and we'll I'll get back on that later. Because I think there was something like a big hint that I didn't even notice until recently. The hand. I know the hand's in there.

Speaker: The hand, no, I'm talking about the Punisher recent season. Like there's the main character from the city hall crowd. I thought I saw her and I'm like, is that her? Maybe I'm wrong. and and Maybe I'm completely, I saw, I was watching. Not Punisher Daredevil, the end, the last scene in Daredevil, the city hall piece. is that what you're referring to? No, no, no. I'm saying in the trailer for Spider-Man, there's a character that's carried over from the pun the recent Daredevil born again oh season.

Speaker: I think there is, but I'll have to get through that. I'll watch it again. Anyway. Cool. Anything else you want to say to the audience before we wrap this up? Because we're done the last segment of our show called The Trailer. Anything else you want to say before I close out the show? Pits overrated. The pits overrated. Yeah, sure. All right. Come on. Sounds good.

Speaker: Come on. Come on. Come on. Thank you for listening, audience, to episode 140 of Split Focus, a film and TV podcast. My name is Simon Eadie, and it has been a pleasure to host you. alongside my persona-loving co-host, Adrian Penter.

Speaker: Please join us on July 28th for episode 141. Good evening to you and good luck. Take care and goodbye. Goodbye.