Become a Creator today!Start creating today - Share your story with the world!
Start for free
00:00:00
00:00:01
EXIT Podcast Episode 04: lndian Bronson
562 Plays3 years ago
Indian Bronson is a personal friend, a Miami booster, a BJP operative, & a guide to wagies on the path to personal sovereignty, much like his personal hero, Harriet Tubman. We discuss:
- Miami's techbro-futurist destiny
- ought we to poast at all?
- rebuilding lost freedoms rather than insisting on them
- a mental model for preserving one's identity online
- mentally-colonized Mormies & Hindus
- Hindutva & the imminent reclamation of Aryavartha
Recommended
Transcript
Introduction and Miami's Significance
00:00:17
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to the EXIT Podcast.
00:00:19
Speaker
This is Dr. Bennett.
00:00:20
Speaker
I'm here with Indian Bronson, good friend of ours.
00:00:24
Speaker
I wanted to talk to you first about Miami, which you suffuse it with almost supernatural significance.
00:00:33
Speaker
almost prophetic significance.
00:00:34
Speaker
And I want to know, what does Miami mean to you?
00:00:38
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:00:39
Speaker
So I'm very bullish on Miami as a city, you know, just from like a, just a structural perspective.
00:00:45
Speaker
You know, when other cities, cops are like, you know, taking a knee,
00:00:48
Speaker
with like defund the police movements or like rioters or whatever.
00:00:52
Speaker
You know, the city of Miami institutes an official anti-communist day and like it wasn't even like victims of Castro Day or like, you know, Mariel Butler, remember, say like it was just explicitly like this is an anti-communism day.
00:01:08
Speaker
Right.
00:01:09
Speaker
And that counts for something.
00:01:10
Speaker
Right.
00:01:11
Speaker
You know, that it's pretty, pretty rare that things are that explicitly stated in America.
00:01:15
Speaker
So
00:01:16
Speaker
You know, it's got all of that stuff going for it, which people will be familiar with because of Cuba's past with Florida, Miami's past.
00:01:24
Speaker
There's all of the Cadillo politics that our circle certainly perceive in terms of castizo-futurism and that and all that good stuff.
Comparing Miami to Global Cities
00:01:35
Speaker
But then on a more aesthetic level, I grew up, I'm a creature of the Northeast, very, very happy in the snow.
00:01:42
Speaker
There's something fundamentally buoyant about a city where, despite the rain, despite the hurricanes, it is just almost constantly sunny.
00:01:51
Speaker
I go out, I go out running in the mornings and like, it's just almost immediately, it's just bright sunlit.
00:01:58
Speaker
David O' People, people are happier here people are quicker to laugh here people are quicker to smile here yeah it's it's it's the sunshine state in terms of like where the US is going like.
00:02:07
Speaker
David O' I mean people are articles will know this like 2044 is I mean it's here already you know, like the census is pretty clear about that, I mean the demographic shift of North America is pretty strongly underway.
00:02:22
Speaker
And so I think a lot of people who, you know, I mean, when my own parents came to this country, you know, they came here in the early 80s.
00:02:28
Speaker
It's a very different America.
00:02:29
Speaker
And where I grew up is also still to this day a very, very different America from what will probably be the modal American experience.
00:02:37
Speaker
You know, if you want to see what navigating the waters, maybe riding the tiger even, you know, of what's coming down the pipeline over the next 10, 20, 30 years looks like, I think Miami is a great place to do it.
00:02:50
Speaker
This is really, this is going to be, you know, the entrepot of the Americas.
00:02:55
Speaker
This is going to be the American Dubai, the American Singapore.
00:02:59
Speaker
A lot of different peoples have confluence here and
00:03:04
Speaker
It's tragic in a way, I think, for for someone who is on the right, someone who is inclined to order someone who is inclined to traditionalism.
00:03:12
Speaker
It's there is a little bit of tragedy and saying, well, I guess we can't have these things anymore.
00:03:18
Speaker
Let's find something new.
00:03:20
Speaker
On the other hand, on the other hand,
00:03:22
Speaker
There's also something deeply Lindy, shall we say, about sallying forth and pursuing something new, you know, maybe even migrating or invading, you know, to new climes.
Urban Challenges and U.S. City Dynamics
00:03:38
Speaker
You know, there's a lot of...
00:03:43
Speaker
You know, speaking frankly, you know, as a young man, like there are a lot of business opportunities here.
00:03:47
Speaker
There is a lot.
00:03:48
Speaker
There is a burgeoning tech ecosystem.
00:03:50
Speaker
There is a lot of capital here that wants to find something besides real estate.
00:03:54
Speaker
I mean, there's just so much commercial activity here that, you know, you'd be surprised what an enterprising person can do.
00:04:02
Speaker
And, you know, that's why do we think of Midwesterners the way we think of Midwesterners?
00:04:07
Speaker
Like when, you know, your listeners certainly imagine people in the Midwest, well, how'd they get there?
00:04:12
Speaker
They didn't get there in an easy way.
00:04:15
Speaker
They didn't spring from the soil.
00:04:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:04:18
Speaker
Right?
00:04:18
Speaker
Like they're, yeah, they're not, they're not, they're not autochthonous is the term.
00:04:21
Speaker
They showed up, they showed up in big, you know, many, many people show up places in these big horse-drawn wagons.
00:04:28
Speaker
There's something about it.
00:04:29
Speaker
So come to Miami, come to Miami.
00:04:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:04:35
Speaker
Well, speaking of invasion, do you think that, well, first of all, are there enough sort of tech bros who are headed that way
00:04:44
Speaker
that there's concern about it sort of just becoming another Bay Area or are those people staying put?
00:04:50
Speaker
Yeah, so if you go to Austin, there's an overpass, forgetting the name, I can just like Google it later, but if you just Google Austin homelessness, you'll find it.
00:05:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:05:02
Speaker
They are already developing the same problems that San Francisco was, and I don't think there's going to be a single city that is the new San Francisco.
00:05:10
Speaker
I think this tendency towards disorder and like...
00:05:14
Speaker
being okay with filth, valorizing poor conduct, holding criminals in high esteem, this weird sort of like California mentality that is also like very adjacent to being incredibly wealthy, incredibly enterprising, doing a lot of stuff, this weird amalgam
00:05:36
Speaker
I think this is basically the condition of most global cities.
00:05:39
Speaker
If you were to go to Delhi, if you were to go to Hanoi, if you were to go to, frankly, Johar Bahru in Malaysia, you see this kind of stuff.
00:05:49
Speaker
This is actually a norm.
00:05:51
Speaker
You get this kind of bimodal split where you have lots and lots of poor and then also lots and lots of wealthy people in a very small middle class.
00:06:00
Speaker
Unfortunately, I think that's what the U.S. is tending to with its greater and greater erosion of the middle class.
00:06:07
Speaker
So on the one hand, I think Austin is going to sop up a lot of the SF exodus that is liberal because they have, of course, their fantasies of, maybe not fantasies for long, of turning Texas blue.
00:06:21
Speaker
They see Austin as a lynchpin for that strategy.
00:06:25
Speaker
On the other hand, I believe...
00:06:29
Speaker
I know the Indian jokes are coming.
00:06:32
Speaker
Look, you know, I believe you can have a clean, safe, orderly society.
00:06:36
Speaker
This has been accomplished in many places over and over again, despite great problems to the contrary.
00:06:43
Speaker
And I think for now, we're just going to have to be in a mode where we're accumulating capital, you know, accumulating allies, gathering strength, planning, you know, becoming resilient.
00:06:54
Speaker
And this is, you know, we can talk more about this as the exit interview goes on.
00:06:58
Speaker
Figuring out how to clean up Austin or figuring out how to clean up San Francisco is not something we can do right now because we don't have power.
00:07:05
Speaker
And the task for us is really how do we become powerful or at least how do we become powerful enough that we can prevent these problems from swamping us?
00:07:14
Speaker
Sure.
00:07:14
Speaker
And that's that's such a constant problem among our people is like.
00:07:21
Speaker
they're like, well, how do we take action?
00:07:23
Speaker
How do we fix?
00:07:24
Speaker
How do we exercise our rights?
00:07:27
Speaker
And it's like, your rights are gone, man.
00:07:29
Speaker
Like that ship has sailed.
00:07:31
Speaker
Right now, it's time to knuckle down and build something so that you can have those rights again, or maybe your kids can't.
00:07:39
Speaker
Like that's, we gotta start taking a
EXIT's Focus on Resilience over Politics
00:07:42
Speaker
long view.
00:07:42
Speaker
And that's fundamentally what I'm about with Exit is, we're not talking about politics anymore.
00:07:48
Speaker
Like there's not a whole lot
00:07:51
Speaker
productive to be said in that space anymore.
00:07:53
Speaker
And, and, you know, so many people, when they, when they get there, they interpret that as like, well, it's time to start fed posting.
00:07:58
Speaker
And I'm like, that's the opposite of what it's time to do.
00:08:00
Speaker
It's, it's time to.
00:08:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:08:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:08:04
Speaker
No, I mean, so this is, I remember when, uh,
00:08:08
Speaker
I think it was Terry McAuliffe.
00:08:10
Speaker
They've been advancing anti-gun rights stuff in Virginia for years now.
00:08:15
Speaker
And there are two approaches that you can take to this.
00:08:18
Speaker
And one is like, well, if they try anything, we've got our guns.
00:08:22
Speaker
And the other approach is a more realistic one, which is like, I knew this was going to happen, so I bought all of the guns that I wanted years ago and, in fact, no longer live in Virginia, right?
00:08:29
Speaker
Right.
00:08:31
Speaker
You know, we'll see what happens with Corlett now brewing at the Supreme Court.
00:08:37
Speaker
But I have a sneaking suspicion the Supreme Court is not actually going to legalize the air 15s nationwide.
00:08:44
Speaker
And that, you know, the gun issue is a great example of this because it's such a perfect...
00:08:50
Speaker
virtual action of resistance.
00:08:52
Speaker
It's such a perfect way to feel dangerous without being dangerous at all.
00:08:58
Speaker
Because, you know, sure, it is a gun.
00:09:00
Speaker
And if you get ammo for it, you do have ammo.
00:09:02
Speaker
And like, you know, anyone that's lived in a city and is also on firearms has had the weird feeling where they're like,
00:09:08
Speaker
you know, if you're cleaning a gun and you put it back together and suddenly you're in this large apartment building, you can see out in the street and you have this, you know, this gun with an optic on it's like, whoa, you know, like, you're like, wow, you know, right.
00:09:24
Speaker
And it's like, that's completely fake.
00:09:27
Speaker
You know, that's, that's completely fake manifestation of power.
00:09:30
Speaker
It's,
00:09:32
Speaker
And a lot of right-wing activities is basically like this.
00:09:36
Speaker
It's concerned with things that feel really good, win a lot of internet arguments, and don't really amount to very much.
00:09:44
Speaker
And this isn't an endorsement of going all the way with Fed posting.
00:09:52
Speaker
Don't do that because you'll just lose.
00:09:54
Speaker
It's the opposite, yeah.
00:09:55
Speaker
It's stupid.
00:09:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's stupid.
00:09:59
Speaker
This is going to be interesting to say, you know, let's say an assault weapons ban passes.
00:10:03
Speaker
I mean, I have all the guns I want, but like, you know, I think it would actually be like honestly a healthy thing for the right to just realize like how fake the gun issue is.
00:10:12
Speaker
You know, they are not going to do anything with it that New Zealanders couldn't do.
00:10:17
Speaker
And there are plenty of governments around the world where, you know, frankly, people live healthier lives, less perverted lives, and their governments are obviously more nationalistic.
00:10:27
Speaker
that don't really have as strong of on-paper gun rights as the US.
00:10:34
Speaker
It's a painful thing to let go of.
00:10:36
Speaker
I love guns.
00:10:36
Speaker
I think everyone should buy as many as
Economic Independence and Personal Sovereignty
00:10:38
Speaker
possible.
00:10:38
Speaker
They're tremendous.
00:10:40
Speaker
And frankly, they are useful for home defense.
00:10:43
Speaker
It's a beautiful dream.
00:10:44
Speaker
It's a beautiful dream.
00:10:46
Speaker
And the aesthetic is so cool.
00:10:48
Speaker
And it's so fun.
00:10:52
Speaker
The 0.1% chance that I get to put on the skull mask and just go to town, sure.
00:10:59
Speaker
I also do push-ups in the plate carrier hoping for that day.
00:11:07
Speaker
You approach this from a different angle, but you seem to be sort of chasing the same dream as we are at Exit, which is recognizing that our friends need a lot more freedom of thought and action.
00:11:20
Speaker
And that fundamentally that's about their paycheck.
00:11:22
Speaker
Cause like, you know, like you're saying, people won't, people have these fantasies of like, we're going to rise up in armed rebellion, but like you won't even back sass the HR lady when she does diversity training.
00:11:34
Speaker
Like, come on, man.
00:11:35
Speaker
Right, right.
00:11:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:11:38
Speaker
So why is that so important to you and what's your approach?
00:11:43
Speaker
Yeah, so Nassim Taleb retweeted a tweet of mine recently.
00:11:48
Speaker
I don't want to get him canceled, but he retweeted Indian Rafa.
00:11:51
Speaker
You know, I said, look, you know, the reason the reason a lot of journalists hate Nek Taleb is because he has sovereignty, which means that his comfort really isn't dependent on anyone else's approval.
00:12:05
Speaker
You know, he can, he can just live his life and it doesn't matter what you think of him.
00:12:09
Speaker
He's just materially okay.
00:12:11
Speaker
And so he doesn't need to submit to, uh, to anyone's, you know, HR lady.
00:12:16
Speaker
He can just say what he wants.
00:12:17
Speaker
He can write what he wants.
00:12:18
Speaker
He can do what he wants.
00:12:19
Speaker
Uh, that is sovereignty.
00:12:21
Speaker
No, it's not, it's not total sovereignty, obviously.
00:12:23
Speaker
It's more than most people.
00:12:25
Speaker
It's yeah, it's significantly more than most people.
00:12:28
Speaker
And that matters a lot more than basically anything else.
00:12:33
Speaker
You want to get as sovereign as you possibly can.
00:12:37
Speaker
Sovereignty, resiliency, independence, these are all slightly distinct but related concepts that I put under the heading of exit.
00:12:46
Speaker
I think these are exactly the things that you want to pursue.
00:12:53
Speaker
But yeah, it's not, it's not as simple as just, you know, get as rich as Nick Taleb, right?
00:12:58
Speaker
It's a little bit harder than, uh, than, you know, making amazing trades and, and, you know, running a private wealth fund or whatever.
00:13:06
Speaker
Well, I talked to, um, you know, several of our guys that say pretty much whatever they want under their real name.
00:13:13
Speaker
And there's sort of two dimensions to F you money.
00:13:17
Speaker
One of which is to make
00:13:20
Speaker
as much money as possible, but the other dimension is how simply are you willing to live and sort of how can you survive on less?
00:13:29
Speaker
And so like, you know, there are guys I know who are, well, one of them owns a landscaping business and like, there's no, you can't cancel him from cutting people's lawns.
00:13:42
Speaker
That's just not gonna happen.
00:13:44
Speaker
So it, you can generate that kind of freedom
00:13:49
Speaker
on the cheap if you're willing to learn some skills.
00:13:52
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:13:53
Speaker
I mean, yeah, so there's, there are a lot of movements that are, that are focused around this, you know, there's, um, you know, fire financial independence, retire early.
00:14:00
Speaker
Yeah.
00:14:00
Speaker
There's the, uh, they're, they're all kind of weirdos, but they're still like, they're still, there's still, there's an earnestness to them.
00:14:06
Speaker
That's like sort of lovable, like the 80,000 hours effective altruism people like,
00:14:11
Speaker
They are weird.
00:14:12
Speaker
And like, you know, a lot of like if you if you look a little bit closer, it's like, oh, wait, they're all polyamorous people.
00:14:20
Speaker
It's very weird.
00:14:21
Speaker
It's very weird.
00:14:22
Speaker
But like, if you're not weird, what do you want with sovereignty?
00:14:24
Speaker
Why don't you just do what you're told?
00:14:26
Speaker
Yeah, right.
00:14:27
Speaker
Exactly.
00:14:27
Speaker
Like, you know, the normal mainstream American life is living in the pod, eating the bugs.
00:14:33
Speaker
In this house, we believe in science, but like that is the mainstream.
00:14:36
Speaker
And if you don't want that, right, like you're already a little bit fundamentally compromised.
00:14:40
Speaker
You're you're you're asking for something else.
00:14:42
Speaker
So, you know, yeah, these movements are fringe.
00:14:45
Speaker
But I mean, look, if you're listening to this podcast, even if you're a journalist trying to cancel us, you know, you're you're already a weirdo.
Online Anonymity and Its Challenges
00:14:51
Speaker
And yeah, so on the opsec thing, on the cancellation thing, look, I mean, you know, do you even need to be a poster?
00:14:57
Speaker
Yeah, this is like, I would just ask.
00:15:01
Speaker
Question one, yeah.
00:15:02
Speaker
Yeah, question one, do you even need to be a poster?
00:15:05
Speaker
You know, if you have an incurable desire to post and like no matter what you do, you can't lurk, okay, maybe.
00:15:12
Speaker
But like, you should really consider just not posting on the internet.
00:15:16
Speaker
And like the only reason I say that is,
00:15:21
Speaker
You know, think of just all of the guys that have been canceled for like, not even the most crazy shit that they said, right?
00:15:28
Speaker
Like some person from Antifa, some journalist or whatever, just like starts harassing their employer, starts harassing their school.
00:15:35
Speaker
And then suddenly it's just a lot harder for them to live life and do normal stuff.
00:15:39
Speaker
Then like, what is it all for?
00:15:40
Speaker
What did they get out of it?
00:15:41
Speaker
What did anyone get out of it?
00:15:43
Speaker
That's like question number one to ask.
00:15:44
Speaker
Like, do you even want to be a poster?
00:15:46
Speaker
Second way that you might think about this is, you know, think about
00:15:50
Speaker
just a totally unrelated person.
00:15:52
Speaker
So if you go to the white pages, if you go to any of these personal information brokers, type in John Smith or whatever.
00:16:02
Speaker
There are people in America named John Smith.
00:16:06
Speaker
Mr. and Mrs. Smith are at the hospital and they're like, what do we name him?
00:16:09
Speaker
I know.
00:16:10
Speaker
John, let's name our, you know, they're the cousins, the does are like, yeah, it sounds like a great name.
00:16:16
Speaker
You know, these are real people.
00:16:18
Speaker
And, you know, just imagine you get John Smith's phone, his credit card, his ID,
00:16:24
Speaker
all of his passwords, everything about him.
00:16:27
Speaker
And he just says, hey, this is all yours now.
00:16:30
Speaker
Here's my mother's maiden name in the street I grew up on.
00:16:32
Speaker
And then he just vanishes.
00:16:33
Speaker
He just disappears from existence.
00:16:37
Speaker
Now you suddenly have this other personhood that you could just inhabit.
00:16:43
Speaker
And unless you start posting from the same IP address, unless you meet a lot of people as this person that already know that's not what his face looks like, you could just be this guy indefinitely.
00:16:54
Speaker
You want to simulate a situation like that if you're going to be a poster.
00:17:00
Speaker
You basically want to get as close to that situation as possible with your online identity.
00:17:06
Speaker
You know, different device, different internet connection, different numbers, different city that it maybe lives in.
00:17:12
Speaker
Just don't, you know, in the same way that John Smith wouldn't really know anything about you, maybe you shouldn't post anything about yourself on the internet when you're posting ideas.
00:17:19
Speaker
And, you know, if you just do that, you're probably going to be fine.
00:17:23
Speaker
So, like, you're
00:17:24
Speaker
You're probably not even Indian is what you're saying.
00:17:30
Speaker
You know, I'm an Italian man who lives in New Jersey.
00:17:34
Speaker
No, I mean, so, no, yes.
00:17:36
Speaker
You know, to the great chagrin of many, I am indeed quite Indian.
00:17:44
Speaker
I think, you know, thank God.
00:17:47
Speaker
Can you imagine if just like all day, every day on podcasts or clubhouses, just like a really thick Indian accent,
00:17:54
Speaker
That's just like, just like everything is the same, but it's just like a really, really thick Indian.
00:18:02
Speaker
You know, you know, BAPS making a lot of money that way.
00:18:05
Speaker
I think you should consider it.
00:18:09
Speaker
He has a very silly beef with me because he was just wrong about Trump from 2018 to 2020.
00:18:14
Speaker
We still give credit where credit is due.
00:18:20
Speaker
But the fake accent thing is, I don't know.
00:18:24
Speaker
He should just use a different one.
00:18:27
Speaker
He can still do a fake accent.
00:18:28
Speaker
He should just use a different one.
00:18:32
Speaker
Yeah, so that would be my advice.
00:18:33
Speaker
It's just like consider whether you really like wanna be a poster.
00:18:37
Speaker
And like- Yes, somebody did one of those growth hacking tweets where they said like, would you stop tweeting for like $50,000 or $100,000 or something?
00:18:48
Speaker
And this was a couple of months before I got doxxed and I realized the answer was no.
00:18:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:18:54
Speaker
I wouldn't.
00:18:54
Speaker
And that was a pretty, cause like that been sort of comfortably middle class my entire life.
00:19:00
Speaker
And that would be a lot of money.
00:19:02
Speaker
And that sort of realization that like, no, I actually kind of need this in my life.
00:19:07
Speaker
Yeah.
00:19:08
Speaker
Was pretty eye-opening.
00:19:10
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:19:11
Speaker
And if the answer is yes, then post.
00:19:13
Speaker
Posters post.
00:19:18
Speaker
Bap is a great example.
00:19:20
Speaker
Lindy man, Paul Scalas is a great example.
00:19:23
Speaker
Nick Taleb is especially funny to me because he posts with the vigor.
00:19:29
Speaker
and inflection of like a mid-20s man.
00:19:31
Speaker
Like he's just, he's very, very Trumpian in that regard.
00:19:36
Speaker
Trump would post and scrap like a 20 year old man on the internet, which I enjoyed.
00:19:42
Speaker
Viral, robust.
00:19:44
Speaker
Yeah, it's, you know, virtue counts for something.
00:19:49
Speaker
Like if you really need to post and do this, just know that like the probability that you're going to get docs increases the larger your account gets, increases the more you have something interesting to say.
00:20:00
Speaker
Like the better you are, the more likely it is you're going to get docs.
00:20:05
Speaker
It's, you know, so you just have to reconcile yourself to that.
00:20:09
Speaker
So that kind of takes us towards like the whole exit thing.
Building Resilient Systems and Communities
00:20:12
Speaker
You know, a lot of the stuff that you can do or should do to mitigate this, I think is basically the same thing that everyone should be doing to kind of become independent of the system, right?
00:20:21
Speaker
You know, to be canceled, right?
00:20:23
Speaker
You know, not just like a TV show being canceled because some actor did something dumb, which is where that comes from.
00:20:29
Speaker
To be canceled, to be thrown out of society is basically for the people who are incumbent and have that power, that social leverage to say, look, you're not going to be able to make a living.
00:20:38
Speaker
You're not going to be able to have a social life.
00:20:40
Speaker
You're not going to be invited and you're going to be reviled within our spaces.
00:20:45
Speaker
In a way, everyone in China is canceled from the US.
00:20:49
Speaker
There is a nation of a billion plus people who make money, go to school, talk on the internet, do all sorts of things.
00:20:58
Speaker
And they have nothing to do with the Anglophone system.
00:21:01
Speaker
They have nothing to do with the world of blue checks.
00:21:03
Speaker
They have nothing to do with the world of BuzzFeed pieces.
00:21:06
Speaker
They are pre-canceled.
00:21:08
Speaker
Their entire existence is independent of the system.
00:21:12
Speaker
So if you pursue becoming really, really resilient, uncancellable, right?
00:21:17
Speaker
You're actually also pursuing creating like all of the infrastructure that is just independent of the system anyway.
00:21:23
Speaker
And so I think, you know, it's just, it's a win-win, whether you fear being canceled, whether you don't fear being canceled.
00:21:30
Speaker
These are things that you should do because it makes you more resilient.
00:21:34
Speaker
It makes you less dependent on the system.
00:21:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:36
Speaker
And it's one of my sort of preoccupations is the idea that
00:21:41
Speaker
you can't just go hide out in the woods by yourself, that you have to build the infrastructure, not only so you can make a living that isn't sort of growing potatoes and eating them, but also so that, because if you're gonna have kids, you can't raise your kids' friends, you can't raise your kids' girlfriends.
00:22:02
Speaker
Like there has to be a social weft for other people to plug into.
00:22:08
Speaker
And so that's a big piece of what I'm trying to do is to make that possible.
00:22:12
Speaker
And it sounds like
00:22:13
Speaker
Sounds like you're on the same page of like... Yeah, yeah.
00:22:17
Speaker
So this is a document that I'm gonna send to you and I'm gonna just make it like a public one.
00:22:22
Speaker
It's under the header of like decentralization does not imply isolation.
00:22:28
Speaker
And like, you gotta give the devil his due.
00:22:32
Speaker
Again, I reiterate, I frankly, I don't understand why Bap is so angry.
00:22:36
Speaker
I only very lightly teased him for being wrong about Trump.
00:22:40
Speaker
But like, you know, a central thing that came out of that book, you know, sort of mood, a theme, a motif is perfectly true, right?
00:22:49
Speaker
If you are a single, physically healthy, strong, unattached man in like full possession of your physical capacities, you have a sound mind, sound body, you know, you're not morbidly obese, you're not addicted to anything, you are fundamentally dangerous to the state.
00:23:08
Speaker
And this is why every state essentially tries to recruit you into the security services, tries to offer you some kind of employment if it's smart, or like basically what it turns into is that you become like a criminal or you become like, you know, part of an opposing state that is contesting its legitimacy, right?
00:23:27
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:28
Speaker
Think about this set of all people who work as engineers for Google.
00:23:34
Speaker
Amazon thinks about them as people that it either wants to recruit or people that it wants to out-compete, right?
00:23:39
Speaker
Yeah, this is just a pure nerd contest, but this is organisms competing for space.
00:23:45
Speaker
These are two animals occupying the same niche.
00:23:48
Speaker
And so it can be a physical contest, it can be an intellectual contest, right?
00:23:52
Speaker
But this is what the power of states pivot on, basically, right?
00:23:55
Speaker
Strong, capable young men and everyone else in society, whether they're women, whether they're old men, whether they're less physically capable people, less mentally capable people, they all have roles to play, right?
00:24:11
Speaker
But they're really kind of like supporting roles in terms of state power.
00:24:17
Speaker
There are a lot of other social spheres where they are the primarily important people.
00:24:22
Speaker
But in terms of state power and national power, really, you can just look at the number of like young, healthy men aligned to a goal.
00:24:30
Speaker
And like that is that is the more powerful state.
00:24:33
Speaker
This is why China is doing
Youth, Power, and Societal Stability
00:24:34
Speaker
so well.
00:24:34
Speaker
Right.
00:24:35
Speaker
I want to talk about that.
00:24:37
Speaker
Like, do you think that that there's been a change in conscious strategy from trying to recruit them to trying to sort of neutralize them?
00:24:44
Speaker
Or do you think that this is just sort of a stupid ideology that's just sort of burning itself down?
00:24:50
Speaker
We just we just have bad elites.
00:24:51
Speaker
Our elites are bad at being elites.
00:24:53
Speaker
Right.
00:24:53
Speaker
You know, if they if they really wanted stability,
00:24:56
Speaker
What they want, you know, they are, they are, I don't want to put all of my cards on the table.
00:25:00
Speaker
Look, they don't like a certain population within the U.S. They are from different populations themselves.
00:25:07
Speaker
And so they think of these young men as problematic.
00:25:10
Speaker
They think of them as basically the vanguards of a system that could overturn them, which they are.
00:25:16
Speaker
And so they do want to replace them.
00:25:17
Speaker
They do want to make them irrelevant.
00:25:19
Speaker
They do want to elevate people over them.
00:25:22
Speaker
And, you know, they're they're basically treating them as the men of another country.
00:25:28
Speaker
That that is their mental disposition.
00:25:31
Speaker
And yeah, so, you know, which may not explain some of the sympathy with Taliban.
00:25:36
Speaker
You know, why?
00:25:37
Speaker
Why was their victory so compelling?
00:25:39
Speaker
You know, why did Clarissa Ward
00:25:42
Speaker
you know, find yourself just attracted and having to go and interview these guys and say, oh, they're chanting death to America, but they seem friendly, you know, like all these anchors when they're showing up, France 24, BBC, NBC Universal, CNN, all of these anchors, they're just they're they don't quite know how to talk about it.
00:26:02
Speaker
They're experiencing massive cognitive dissonance.
00:26:04
Speaker
You know, the videos are hilarious.
00:26:07
Speaker
And they're like, wow, these guys are operating with supreme confidence.
00:26:09
Speaker
They've just never seen anything like this.
00:26:12
Speaker
It's just all of it's a Zoomer movement.
00:26:14
Speaker
It's all of these guys 18 to 24 years old with machine guns and pickup trucks just taking over a city.
00:26:20
Speaker
Who weren't alive when the sort of case of spell I happened.
00:26:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it's hard not to admire that, right?
00:26:28
Speaker
You know, this is truly, this is really the basis of state power.
00:26:34
Speaker
And that is what all of these journalists are freaking out about.
00:26:36
Speaker
Like they don't have a way to say that this is wrong or that this is evil.
00:26:39
Speaker
They're like, oh, wait, this is obviously with the Afghan support, but we're on the other side, you know.
00:26:44
Speaker
So that's what that is.
00:26:45
Speaker
So, you know, long story short, you know, if you're listening to this and you're not like horrified by tacit support of the Taliban, you're not, you know, you're not just like freaking out about, you know, questioning the current U.S. system.
00:26:59
Speaker
You know, what you want to do is you want to become
00:27:02
Speaker
You want to employ, you want to coach, you want to help, you want to develop, you know, you want to attract, you want to produce.
00:27:11
Speaker
This is for your female listeners.
00:27:15
Speaker
You want to enable as many of these young men as possible and you want to align them.
00:27:21
Speaker
And if you do that, it's that much more likely that your vision of the world that should be comes into existence.
00:27:29
Speaker
And if you don't do that, it's that much more likely that it won't.
00:27:32
Speaker
So, you know, when you speak of a social weft, you know, the warp and weft of like, you know, what creates a human society is like, how many young men are buying into this?
00:27:41
Speaker
How many young women are buying into this?
00:27:43
Speaker
How many families are coming out of this as a result?
00:27:46
Speaker
How many children are being had?
00:27:48
Speaker
You know, this is a very, it's like a very grug brained, like basic way to look at it.
00:27:53
Speaker
But like, you know, if your ideology and your system results in fewer humans, you know,
00:28:00
Speaker
you know, or, you know, or lower quality, more dependent, sicker, more obese, sadder humans.
00:28:08
Speaker
It's a bad system.
00:28:09
Speaker
And if your system results in more humans, stronger humans, more daring humans, you know, more happy humans, it's a good system.
00:28:18
Speaker
And like, it really is that simple.
00:28:20
Speaker
So, you know, so that's, that's really like, that's really the goal in pursuing this kind of resiliency.
Personal Journey and Societal Observations
00:28:27
Speaker
And it begins, it begins basically with,
00:28:29
Speaker
with becoming economically independent of the system.
00:28:32
Speaker
Absolutely.
00:28:33
Speaker
So you mentioned a certain population that is sort of in the crosshairs.
00:28:38
Speaker
You've always demonstrated a really sort of genuine affection for sort of the Americana or working man, but you're also kind of an outsider to that in terms of your background and class.
00:28:52
Speaker
To what extent, and I mean, you know,
00:28:53
Speaker
you clearly grew up here.
00:28:57
Speaker
To what extent do you identify their interests with your own versus how much of this is coming sort of from an outside perspective?
00:29:05
Speaker
I grew up in not maybe not a rural area.
00:29:09
Speaker
Let's say like a super rural area, not suburban, sort of super rural, super in terms of above, not super in terms of very.
00:29:18
Speaker
Yeah, like, so, you know, I kind of, I kind of grew up in that milieu in Appalachia.
00:29:22
Speaker
And that's where I was raised.
00:29:24
Speaker
That's where, you know, all of my formative experiences were.
00:29:27
Speaker
And, and then I just, you know, I went to the, I went to the, you know, the financial imperium of this Colombian state, New York City for school and for work.
00:29:37
Speaker
And,
00:29:38
Speaker
Yeah, you know, it's, it's weird because, uh, you know, eventually I lost my accent, my diction changed.
00:29:45
Speaker
Uh, I became a much more or a ton to speaker as, as your guests have certainly noticed.
00:29:50
Speaker
You know, I had to, I was mutated a little bit to fit in much more with people in this like group, but you know, a lot of the employment opportunities that you get in a place like that, uh, will also expose you to people who should basically just not be in charge of anything.
00:30:07
Speaker
They are venal.
00:30:10
Speaker
They don't really care about other people.
00:30:13
Speaker
They're kind of cruel and you'll see it in little things in terms of how they treat other people around them.
00:30:21
Speaker
If you get them talking about any kind of politics, if you're a decent person, you're just going to be on the opposite side.
00:30:28
Speaker
It's that really.
00:30:31
Speaker
Maybe this is Schumpeter's new class.
00:30:33
Speaker
Maybe this is the professional managerial class, the people of Sam Francis's Leviathan.
00:30:38
Speaker
know maybe maybe some guy called william luther pierce talked about uh you know middle class or something um these are these are this like sort of professional you know well-to-do dtc consumer consuming people they just suck they're really they really suck they're really up and on assholes and they hate everything that is good and sweet and true and like you know it doesn't really matter what your background is
00:31:04
Speaker
if you're just like a decent person, you're not going to like them.
00:31:06
Speaker
And the reality is that most people don't like them, but are economically dependent on them.
00:31:11
Speaker
And so they just kind of go along with it.
00:31:13
Speaker
Like, you know, it's very easy to shit on San Francisco physically and figuratively.
00:31:20
Speaker
I haven't tried.
00:31:21
Speaker
I haven't tried.
00:31:21
Speaker
Just so everyone knows.
00:31:23
Speaker
It's very easy to shit on New York.
00:31:27
Speaker
Right.
00:31:28
Speaker
Like these are places full of like contemptible stuff.
00:31:30
Speaker
Thing is, like even most of the people who live there,
00:31:33
Speaker
are also just like decent, but they're just kind of going along with everything because if they don't, they can't afford to live there anymore and they have to figure something out and they don't want to be able to, they don't want to do that.
00:31:43
Speaker
And so they go along with sort of insane politics.
00:31:46
Speaker
So that's kind of the reason I have this disposition is it's like,
00:31:50
Speaker
There's only so many times people can call the people you grew up with evil before you're like, all right, I fucking hate you people.
00:31:57
Speaker
There's a threshold where you snap and you're like, I have to destroy the modern world.
00:32:05
Speaker
But then also, there's that kind of inherent grossness.
00:32:09
Speaker
But then there are a lot of other things too that are sort of nasty.
00:32:14
Speaker
There are a lot of things related basically to just like
00:32:20
Speaker
cleanliness, family formation, interpersonal relationships.
00:32:25
Speaker
There's just a lot of mundane life stuff that are obviously not good that this part of the system is responsible for.
00:32:35
Speaker
that the other system is like clearly better at.
00:32:38
Speaker
And where it's not better at, it's failing because of like things and structures that were taken away from it by this system, right?
00:32:45
Speaker
Or poisons that they introduced most obviously with like opioids.
00:32:50
Speaker
So yeah, I mean, that's basically the long and short of it.
00:32:54
Speaker
So you are sort of coming at it from the outside, but it's sort of a common, I mean, it sounds kind of hippy-dippy, but like sort of a common humanity.
Cultural Identity and Political Dynamics
00:33:05
Speaker
Yeah, healthy people despise this and all sane, healthy people would want to get rid of it if they could.
00:33:12
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, there were there were there were a czarist officers who left the Russian military and like they went and fought for like, you know, you know, the Zogist movement in Albania.
00:33:25
Speaker
There, you know, there are people who, you know, they left
00:33:31
Speaker
You know, they left service in Rhodesia and then they went and fought against communists in Latin America.
00:33:38
Speaker
You know, it's all kind of the same fight over and over and over again everywhere.
00:33:45
Speaker
You know, how many how many people in America have any sort of ethnic connection to Lee Kuan Yew?
00:33:51
Speaker
Very few.
00:33:51
Speaker
Right.
00:33:52
Speaker
And then, yeah, if you sort of just watch any of his speeches, read anything that he wrote, look at how he governs Singapore.
00:33:59
Speaker
Very rarely do writers find like a lot of things to complain about, you know?
00:34:03
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:04
Speaker
So, yeah, I think this is this is basically a universal tendency.
00:34:07
Speaker
There's an essay that I recommend everyone read.
00:34:10
Speaker
It was published in National Review under the title Penzies, like thoughts.
00:34:15
Speaker
Joseph Sobern objected to that title because he thought it was pretentious because it was French.
00:34:20
Speaker
But if you Google Joseph Sobern, Penzies, there's like one site that still has an archive of it and you read it.
00:34:26
Speaker
He talks about these sort of two tendencies, a kind of a nativism and an alienism, you know, sort of an inclination to the home and to order and an inclination towards like what is
00:34:36
Speaker
you know, alien, foreign and weird.
00:34:37
Speaker
And this is just, I think this is a universal human thing.
00:34:41
Speaker
So, and I wanted to talk about this more because we're both sort of particularly on Twitter.
00:34:49
Speaker
We are on the side of people who, you know, I feel like the most important ones, the most interesting ones, you know, maybe, maybe BAP accepted in your case.
00:35:03
Speaker
all kind of get that we're on the same side and I have, I have a lot of good friends there, but I, I also am aware that like, there's a distance between us in terms of, cause you know, I'm a Latter-day Saint and that's a weird to a lot of them.
00:35:16
Speaker
You're Hindu.
00:35:17
Speaker
What is that experience like for you?
00:35:20
Speaker
After a certain point on the IQ bell curve, people all kind of know the score.
00:35:24
Speaker
So yes, it's like, it's just not a big deal.
00:35:28
Speaker
You know,
00:35:31
Speaker
If someone wants to pour through my 23andMe and be like,
00:35:35
Speaker
hmm, you're not as, you're not as step embla enriched as, as this guy from Tadarstan.
00:35:42
Speaker
So therefore, you're not like, you know, then, you know, that's fine too.
00:35:46
Speaker
Although, you know, strictly speaking, sometimes actually a lot of Brahmins are, even though they have more unge admixture.
00:35:54
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, like, you know, whatever, you know, the, the, the chips, the chips fall, where they fall.
00:35:59
Speaker
And, you know, people, people have their backgrounds and,
00:36:02
Speaker
Yeah, you know, it gets into like one struggle territory, but also like, but like actually, you know, like consider Europe, you know, why did why did Europe, you know, join together, you know, to stop the advancing Mongol hordes to stop the Ottomans, you know, to, you know, then again, later, you know, under under, you know, an anti communist banner.
00:36:26
Speaker
Why do they do that?
00:36:27
Speaker
They're very different peoples, because they have something in common.
00:36:31
Speaker
So, yeah, I mean, you know, to the extent that an individual is actually not so ultra super powerful and sovereign on their own and they have to coalesce with others, they should do that.
00:36:43
Speaker
And to the extent that they don't need to do that and they should have their own shit and be independent of them, they should do that.
00:36:48
Speaker
You know, that's really kind of the whole game here with, you know, exit and loyalty and voice and becoming resilient.
00:36:58
Speaker
So yeah, I can be a Hindu chauvinist all day, as everyone should be Hindu.
00:37:06
Speaker
But I understand that some people's ethnic traditions are a little bit too far away from the benevolent warmth of Indra.
00:37:13
Speaker
So I wanted to ask you about that too, because almost all of the Indians that I know personally, they have their Indian friends and they have their miscellaneous friends.
00:37:25
Speaker
And I want to know, A, is that the case for you?
00:37:28
Speaker
And B, like, do you talk politics with those guys?
00:37:32
Speaker
Like, how does your approach to all this sort of play on like home turf?
00:37:39
Speaker
So there's a very funny Onion article, which is, area man doesn't understand why Asian guy has entirely Asian friend group or whatever.
00:37:47
Speaker
If you Google that, you find it.
00:37:49
Speaker
And the closing line is something like, and they all speak English to each other.
00:37:52
Speaker
I don't get it.
00:37:53
Speaker
What's the big one?
00:37:56
Speaker
So basically, what's going on there is it's like, how come this Mormon guy has a group of friends that are just all Mormons or whatever?
00:38:02
Speaker
Sure, sure.
00:38:03
Speaker
This guy that plays basketball has a group of friends that just only play basketball together.
00:38:07
Speaker
Yeah, no, and it's obviously the same for us, but like in my case, I kind of had to find a rarefied cluster of members of the church.
00:38:17
Speaker
Yeah, the unfortunate thing about basically all high IQ immigration to the US is that, you know, if you're smart and you're ambitious,
00:38:28
Speaker
Unless you have like maybe a personality defect, maybe principle, you know, exercises left to the reader.
00:38:35
Speaker
Unless you have a reason, you're probably going to be on the side of the most incumbent, most obviously mainstream, most obviously salutary way to get to the top.
00:38:47
Speaker
Right.
00:38:47
Speaker
Yep.
00:38:48
Speaker
And what that means is, you know, the immigrants assimilate, but they assimilate into the New York Times, you know, they assimilate into Harvard, they assimilate into, you know, all of these all of these structures.
00:38:59
Speaker
And so, yeah, you know, like 90, 90 percent, I think, of, you know, Indian Americans are just just tremendous shit libs, you know, as you might expect of like, you know, white collared professional people.
00:39:15
Speaker
On the other hand, it means that if people aren't, you know, it's very rare, very rare that you find apolitical ones.
00:39:23
Speaker
So it's like if they're not a shitlib.
00:39:26
Speaker
They are consciously rejecting being a shitlib.
00:39:29
Speaker
Yeah, right.
00:39:30
Speaker
It's like, you know, if they don't go with the flow, they've probably spent some time on UNS review or something.
00:39:36
Speaker
You know, it's like there's very little middle ground.
00:39:39
Speaker
So that's a positive too.
00:39:42
Speaker
And yeah, I mean, like, do I, you know, Anon, please don't bring up politics at the dinner table.
00:39:48
Speaker
You know, yeah, just, you know, in my regular life with both my, you know, paleris and people of color friends, I just, you know, I just usually don't bring up politics.
00:40:00
Speaker
And then with subsets of both, it's just like, it's, I mean, you know, it's very cancelable.
00:40:07
Speaker
So yeah, I mean, that's how that goes.
00:40:09
Speaker
OK.
00:40:11
Speaker
I heard on the Kashyyyk podcast that your parents are sort of Trumpian.
00:40:17
Speaker
They're just like dispositionally based.
00:40:20
Speaker
Like a lot of immigrants are just like this.
00:40:23
Speaker
You can see this.
00:40:25
Speaker
Yeah, just a lot of immigrants who came to the United States before basically the 90s, their disposition is just naturally to the right wing because it is.
00:40:36
Speaker
And so like, yeah, you know, they're just, you know, in many ways, they're much more based than even I am.
00:40:43
Speaker
Although apolitical people, you know, in terms of in terms of their natural inclinations.
00:40:49
Speaker
Yeah, they're just they're just very based on a ton of like what it what it lacks in nuance, it makes up in intensity and passion.
00:40:57
Speaker
That's at least the case with my family.
00:40:59
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:00
Speaker
It's like, you know, imagine going to Cedar Rapids, Iowa and going to like a bar and talking to someone who's been going there for 30 years and used to work in a mill.
00:41:12
Speaker
And you're like, hey, man, do you want to hear about the Americana project?
00:41:15
Speaker
He'd be like, what?
00:41:18
Speaker
He doesn't need to hear about any of this, you know?
00:41:20
Speaker
Right.
00:41:21
Speaker
He doesn't need, you know, he's just, he is, he is that guy.
00:41:24
Speaker
So, yeah, that's how they are.
00:41:27
Speaker
I wanted to ask you also about sort of your, your relationship to Hinduism, because you have referred to it often and it's, there's always sort of an, an armor of irony about it.
Hinduism's Influence on Politics and Culture
00:41:43
Speaker
Like not, not that you're, not that you're making a joke of it, but it's, it is, it is always brought forward in the context of kind of a joke.
00:41:52
Speaker
It's always light hearted.
00:41:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:41:54
Speaker
And I want to know kind of what that really means to you.
00:41:57
Speaker
It's always light hearted because I mean, look, I don't.
00:42:00
Speaker
So I don't think of I don't think of Hinduism.
00:42:03
Speaker
I don't think of the Vedic tradition.
00:42:04
Speaker
I don't think of our philosophy as something that is easily universifiable.
00:42:09
Speaker
Even though the subject matter of the Vedas, and this comes out, if you read the Gita, what is Arjuna asking Krishna about?
00:42:17
Speaker
He's asking about his place in the world.
00:42:18
Speaker
He's asking about his duty.
00:42:19
Speaker
He's asking about how to reconcile his misgivings with his duty about his personal affections in the world.
00:42:25
Speaker
These are very human, universifiable problems.
00:42:29
Speaker
And, you know, ultimately, we have we have our own thinking about why humans have these inadequacies, why they, you know, why they fear action, why they, you know, delight in comforts and things like that, and why they feel a need to do this, we do have answers that are pretty universifiable.
00:42:44
Speaker
However,
00:42:46
Speaker
those things exist within a three to four to five thousand year old ethnic tradition that is like kind of impenetrable and like sort of very hard to relate to if you're not from it.
00:42:58
Speaker
And so I don't want to go around Twitter telling people to read the Gita or find a guru or start praying or doing any of these things because it's just like the bar is too high.
00:43:10
Speaker
And so, like, so, so aspects of it, though, that, you know, historically are related to the pro-Indo-European peoples and related to the ancestral peoples that, that Indians and Europeans share in common,
00:43:21
Speaker
A lot of those sort of cultural modes, a lot of those edicts sort of carry on.
00:43:26
Speaker
And I think it's worth highlighting them because they are inspiring.
00:43:30
Speaker
They are pretty profound.
00:43:32
Speaker
And so I think a fun way to do that is, it should be a fun way, right?
00:43:37
Speaker
Rather than a very finger-wagging, naggy way, is with a little bit of lightheartedness.
00:43:44
Speaker
And yeah, I mean, it's in this way also,
00:43:50
Speaker
I'll just be honest.
00:43:51
Speaker
I love my Christian friends.
00:43:52
Speaker
I love my Jewish friends.
00:43:53
Speaker
I love my Muslim friends.
00:43:54
Speaker
I love my Buddhist friends.
00:43:56
Speaker
You're all wrong.
00:43:58
Speaker
You're all wrong.
00:43:59
Speaker
We need to clean.
00:44:00
Speaker
You know, I don't want to be in the position where I'm just like,
00:44:02
Speaker
dunking on someone's, you know, deeply held philosophical traditions or theological positions or, you know, family faiths or whatever.
00:44:10
Speaker
So I'm also not gonna, you know, there's a thing that, you know, our beloved ortho bros do where they're just like, they just get in beeps with Catholic Twitter for no reason.
00:44:21
Speaker
It's like,
00:44:22
Speaker
Oh, okay, Zoomer Orthodox.
00:44:24
Speaker
I guess second in line to be the Patriarchate or something like, like, that's also very silly.
00:44:30
Speaker
Like, and then like I saw I saw a thread, it was like, it's like a 200 reply thread or something where people were like, just bitching about like what the actual church was.
00:44:40
Speaker
And yeah, I don't even want to wade into those waters.
00:44:42
Speaker
So yeah, so I don't I don't make a serious proclamation that everyone should be a Hindu.
00:44:48
Speaker
Although I think, you know, that'd be a good idea.
00:44:53
Speaker
Well, how does it, how does it, so in my experience, people are often surprised to hear that I'm a Latter-day Saint, given, uh, given my politics and given, you know, sort of the politics of the members of the church they're aware of, which is like Mitt Romney and maybe like Harry Reid and Evan McMullen, obviously.
00:45:13
Speaker
And the problem with that for me is like, it totally informs my politics.
00:45:18
Speaker
Like I, I, I,
00:45:20
Speaker
I view it as almost demanded by my politics.
00:45:22
Speaker
And I am as surprised as anyone to find that I'm in sort of the same tent as guys like Mitt and Evan.
00:45:32
Speaker
So how does your Hinduism sort of inform your politics or is it a separate entity?
00:45:39
Speaker
Yeah, so I had a thread on this a while back.
00:45:43
Speaker
And so when I was in high school, I started learning Sanskrit.
00:45:49
Speaker
and uh you know this kind of this there's a sort of tension that i had when i was you know very young where i would you know read or be told you know all of these stories of our epics you know all of our heroes you know yudhishthira arjuna bala nala these are all all of these guys are warriors and you know the kind of conduct
00:46:10
Speaker
that you know you're raised with you know when you do there's there's a festival uh you know a sort of ceremony of raksha bandhan where you know every every brother to a sister is told look it is your duty to protect your sister at all costs and you know you get the string tied around your wrist you do a puja that's a that's a prayer you do a prayer for her she does a prayer for you
00:46:31
Speaker
and you are assigned the role explicitly of her protector.
00:46:35
Speaker
And it's a matter of your personal honor to keep her safe.
00:46:37
Speaker
And like, you know, there's all of this stuff that's like, you know, well, why was Lord Rama, you know, obviously the person that should have married Sita?
00:46:46
Speaker
Well, because he could string the bow of Shiva.
00:46:48
Speaker
He could win the archery contests.
00:46:50
Speaker
You know, he was the strongest warrior of them all.
00:46:52
Speaker
And all of these things are there.
00:46:53
Speaker
And it's like, yeah, awesome.
00:46:55
Speaker
And then like you look at modern Indian politics and you look at, you know, the sort of sort of more Western approved version of Hinduism that is taught in schools and that, you know, a lot of Indians try explaining their politics through.
00:47:08
Speaker
And it's just like, yeah.
00:47:09
Speaker
And then Gandhi didn't eat for 90 days.
00:47:12
Speaker
Like he was just this lowly, humble man.
00:47:15
Speaker
And it's just like, what the fuck?
00:47:18
Speaker
What's going on here?
00:47:18
Speaker
Right.
00:47:19
Speaker
You know, so the reality is that like Natharam Godse was based, like, you know, actually that martial vigor is there.
00:47:27
Speaker
It's just, it's constantly, it's defamed, it's disavowed, it's not taught, it's hidden, because there's a particular class of really Anglicized, Westernized, kind of deracinated Hindus who...
00:47:44
Speaker
I mean, they are the most colonialized people of all.
00:47:47
Speaker
They really just want India to be a secular, liberal Western democracy.
00:47:52
Speaker
And so they're very anti-Hindu.
00:47:55
Speaker
They'll talk about Hindutva and Hindu fascism and all of these things, and they'll defame it.
00:47:59
Speaker
And it's like, these are traditions.
00:48:01
Speaker
This is what we grew up with.
00:48:02
Speaker
And when I learned Sanskrit later,
00:48:05
Speaker
in high school and I started doing, you know, translations of the Vedas, translations of the prayers that I had grown up with, you know, myself rather than, you know, what was written down on a piece of paper, like actually word for word translating.
00:48:17
Speaker
I was just like, oh, wait a minute.
00:48:20
Speaker
Like all these people are lying, right?
00:48:22
Speaker
It was just like,
00:48:23
Speaker
You know, this is not this is not a tradition about, you know, again, I'm veering into the territory where I start butting up against Christianity.
00:48:32
Speaker
So forgive me.
00:48:33
Speaker
This is not a tradition about turning the other cheek.
00:48:36
Speaker
This is not about the meek inheriting the earth.
00:48:38
Speaker
This is not a tradition about, you know, appeasement.
00:48:42
Speaker
This is a tradition about killing your enemies if they disrespect you.
00:48:45
Speaker
This is a tradition of standing up for righteousness at the cost of your own life.
00:48:49
Speaker
This is, I mean, it's a very martial warrior-like tradition.
00:48:54
Speaker
And, you know, it's not even like this sort of stayed, you know, reserved thing.
00:49:01
Speaker
I mean, like there's weed, you know, there's
00:49:06
Speaker
you know, sex books, you know, they're like, I mean, it's just, it's a very, it's a very, you know, it's a tradition of people who would, you know, drink Soma and have a lot of children and, you know, go to war with people.
00:49:21
Speaker
Like that is the tradition.
00:49:22
Speaker
And like, you know, those people eventually, yes, they settled down, you know, on the banks of Mother Ganga and they thought about the world and
00:49:32
Speaker
The relationship of the self and the world was revealed to them.
00:49:35
Speaker
Ahimsa doctrine was developed.
00:49:38
Speaker
Not eating meat was developed.
00:49:40
Speaker
These are sacraments of a particular priestly caste.
00:49:44
Speaker
But the kind of parody view of Hinduism, where it's just this sort of hippy-dippy, hey, man, we're all just, that's a different thing.
00:49:52
Speaker
And that's actually encouraged by a particular strand of Indology.
00:49:57
Speaker
You know, Audrey Trushke is a perfect example.
00:50:00
Speaker
That view of Hinduism is encouraged because it keeps Hindus and it keeps Indians, particularly within India, politically docile and unable to essentially assert their ownership of India and indeed, you know, greater Ardhavartha.
00:50:14
Speaker
All of that land is ours and it will be ours.
00:50:17
Speaker
We're going to take it back.
00:50:18
Speaker
And that requires, you know, that requires a sense of ownership.
00:50:22
Speaker
And it's that basic fundamental, like martial disposition that they really don't want Hindus to have.
00:50:28
Speaker
Well, I mean, you should go bowling with the guys because it sounds very similar to our frustrations with our sort of, deracinated is a good word, even though we're all white, managerial class types.
00:50:40
Speaker
We're very bought into the system.
00:50:42
Speaker
And it is kind of, it's similar to that sort of immigrant assimilationist experience where it's like they're very conscious of their identity as outsiders.
00:50:52
Speaker
And so they're just falling all over themselves to be liked.
00:50:56
Speaker
And it's frankly pretty disgusting.
00:50:59
Speaker
The way that I would push back on the idea of Christianity being pacifistic is like, I fundamentally reject the idea that people figured out how to be Christian in like 1961.
00:51:11
Speaker
Like, you know what I mean?
00:51:18
Speaker
Like that has not been the way that Christians have historically interacted with non-Christians or with each other.
00:51:26
Speaker
And, you know, there's an extent to which they were maybe being bad Christians, some of them, but I don't think all of them.
00:51:32
Speaker
And there is such a thing as, like you said, standing up for what's right.
00:51:37
Speaker
And particularly also in our tradition, we have less justification to be fundamentalist about, that's what I call it, is Sermon on the Mount fundamentalism.
00:51:49
Speaker
They take that one speech, which is an important speech, and they make that the whole thing.
00:51:56
Speaker
and they ignore all the other counterfactual evidence.
00:52:01
Speaker
It's several thousand pages.
00:52:03
Speaker
There's a thing that gets done by basically retarded people whenever gun control comes up, where journalists will do this.
00:52:11
Speaker
Well, you see, even Scalia said that the Second Amendment is not an unlimited right.
00:52:15
Speaker
And it's like, motherfucker, just read the whole thing.
00:52:20
Speaker
That's not what he's saying.
00:52:22
Speaker
Excuse my French.
00:52:23
Speaker
I realize this is a Mormon podcast.
00:52:27
Speaker
Matron, hecker, this is not the whole thing.
00:52:30
Speaker
Maybe I should say that.
Parallels Between Indian and U.S. Politics
00:52:32
Speaker
Like, yeah, no, that's definitely true.
00:52:35
Speaker
That is why my disposition is the way that it is.
00:52:37
Speaker
And, you know, plan C or whatever is I just, you know, I'll just go to India.
00:52:44
Speaker
I'll just pull an Indira Gandhi, you know.
00:52:48
Speaker
I'll whip them into shape.
00:53:03
Speaker
You know, heritage America is pretty large.
00:53:05
Speaker
It's pretty, pretty all encompassing.
00:53:07
Speaker
I don't know.
00:53:07
Speaker
You know, Clarence Thomas doesn't strike me as a as a as a Ghanaian.
00:53:11
Speaker
He doesn't.
00:53:12
Speaker
Kenyan, you know, you know, anyone anyone who's part of this nation, I think, should pay attention to Indian politics, particularly all the Hindu stuff, because it's the same.
00:53:22
Speaker
You get basically the same contours of a fight in a different color palette.
00:53:26
Speaker
A lot of the stuff that is going to be debuted in the US has been like kind of standard fare in India for a while.
00:53:36
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:36
Speaker
So, so in India, all temples are actually administered by the state, supposedly secular state, all temples and their finances are administered by the central government.
00:53:45
Speaker
Pretty weird.
00:53:46
Speaker
Right.
00:53:47
Speaker
And the reason that was done is because, you know, they were like, Hey, you're, you're mismanaging this money.
00:53:53
Speaker
Maybe there's some amount of corruption here.
00:53:55
Speaker
Maybe you're donating to the wrong political candidates.
00:53:57
Speaker
So, you know, the state should actually be in charge.
00:54:00
Speaker
um this isn't an officially secular country right um like and uh that's coming that that shit is coming um you know the left looks at the super packs and they look at the churches and they look at the religious exemptions and to them they see it as a big pot of money that they should be in control of uh and oh yeah and like that that is that is going to happen in the u.s i have no doubt 100 i guess i guess the next step yeah so so you know it's like
00:54:31
Speaker
Again, it's like, you know, if you want to understand the system, you should understand its other manifestations.
Conclusion: Building Resilience and Independence
00:54:37
Speaker
But, you know, the most important thing, I think, for an individual to do is just get as resilient as possible.
00:54:42
Speaker
Get as cancel-proof as possible so that if you are canceled, you'll be okay.
00:54:47
Speaker
And if you're not canceled, you'll be more and more independent of the system, more and more sovereign. 100%.
00:54:54
Speaker
Well, Mr. Bronson, it's been a pleasure speaking with you today.
00:55:00
Speaker
Let's direct people to your Twitter, which is Indian underscore Bronson, right?
00:55:07
Speaker
That's correct.
00:55:08
Speaker
Although the I is now a lowercase l. We won't talk about how that happened.
00:55:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:17
Speaker
And yeah, you can also find me on Urbit if you're an Urbit person.
00:55:23
Speaker
Honestly, if you have a galaxy, if you have a star, if you have a comet, you should probably already know how to find me.
00:55:28
Speaker
But yeah, you can find me on Urbit.
00:55:32
Speaker
It's not hard.
00:55:35
Speaker
And yeah, so I'm going to be publishing a note soon that I'll share with you that's like, you know, if someone has listened to this and been like, wow, all of this talk, what are the things that I do?
00:55:44
Speaker
How do I actually do any of this?
00:55:46
Speaker
This document has it.
00:55:47
Speaker
And it's like, here's the stuff that you should learn how to do.
00:55:49
Speaker
Here are the kinds of jobs that you should try and get.
00:55:52
Speaker
And here's what I humbly think are like the kinds of things that you should start purchasing and get a hold of in terms of land, in terms of like income generating assets, stuff that you should buttress your own life with so that if you never get to go to a store again, if you never get to have a corporate job again or whatever, you'll be okay.
00:56:14
Speaker
You might not be super wealthy, but you'll be okay and your family will be okay.
00:56:18
Speaker
And I think that pursuing that at a very broad scale,
00:56:22
Speaker
is worth quite a lot.
00:56:24
Speaker
Well, I am really excited to see that.
00:56:25
Speaker
And I'm going to start calling you Lindy and Bronson now.
00:56:28
Speaker
That's beautiful.
00:56:29
Speaker
Well, please don't.
00:56:30
Speaker
It'll give it away.
00:56:33
Speaker
I mean, Twitter sensors, they're good.
00:56:35
Speaker
They're not that good, though.
00:56:36
Speaker
We don't want to make it too easy for them.
00:56:39
Speaker
OK, so and then and then Indian Bronson dot substack is their substack.
00:56:44
Speaker
And that's a great source of insight.
00:56:46
Speaker
Really fun to read.
00:56:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:49
Speaker
Thanks so much for coming.
00:56:50
Speaker
Hey, man.
00:56:50
Speaker
Thanks for having me.