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Happiness and Satisfaction: Fleishman Is in Trouble
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In today's episode, we're going to talk about the trials and tribulations facing people in the middle and upper middle classes as they try to work out what is meaningful in life. Is it about worldly success, money, and the schools you go to? Is it about how you live and how spend your time and with whom?
We'll be exploring the television series, Fleishman Is in Trouble, as an entry point for our conversation.
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Introduction of Hosts
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Hello, I'm Dr. Farah White. And I'm Dr. Grant Brenner. We're psychiatrists and therapists in private practice in New York.
Origin of 'Doorknob Comments'
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We started this podcast in 2019 to draw attention to a phenomenon called the doorknob comment. Doorknob comments are important things we all say from time to time, just as we're leaving the office, sometimes literally hand on the doorknob.
00:00:23
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Doorknob comments happen not only during therapy, but also in everyday life. The point is that sometimes we aren't sure how to express the deeply meaningful things we're feeling, thinking, and experiencing. Maybe we're afraid to bring certain things out into the open or are on the fence about wanting to discuss them. Sometimes we know we've got something we're unsure about sharing and are keeping it to ourselves. And sometimes we surprise ourselves by what comes out.
Finding Meaning in Modern Life
00:00:51
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On today's podcast episode, we're going to talk about the trials and tribulations facing people in the middle and upper middle classes as they try to work out what is meaningful in life. Is it about worldly success, money and the schools you go to? Is it about how you live and how you spend your time and with whom or what?
00:01:16
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Hi, thanks so much for joining us today. We are going to talk about a couple of different themes that sort of came to light through a show that's been really popular in New York and with a particular New York set called Pleishman is in Trouble. It's based on a novel and really follows the lives of a married couple.
00:01:41
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couple of married couples, but one in particular where the wife is very ambitious and sort of focused on professional success, she ends up married to a doctor who has moderate financial success, doesn't feel like enough, but he gets other satisfaction from his work and it sort of plays out in this pretty disastrous way.
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I'm not 100%.
Financial and Family Pressures in Urban Life
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I'm not 100% sure. I completely followed it. Can you say a little bit more about what this kind of set is? What is the television show? So there's an unhappy couple. It's Fleishman something.
00:02:31
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is in trouble. Fleischman is in trouble. As soon as you read that title, you're kind of like, like, okay. And it's about an ostensibly financially successful, ambitious couple. And it's kind of a sign of the times in terms of wealth in our country and things like that.
00:02:52
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that two family income families, two family income families, families with both parents working, two income families, what do we call it? Two income families can sort of barely make ends meet in a city like Manhattan.
00:03:11
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Manhattan is kind of the archetype in some ways, but I know it's true in a lot of other urban centers and maybe in some suburban areas, right? Where if you are sending your kids to private school and they're seeing a lot of tutors and you're taking SAT classes and they're taking private music lessons and they're really struggling and trying to make sure they get into a great college,
00:03:36
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And from a young age, it's almost like you're interviewing for a job or getting together your portfolio. I grew up in the 70s and 80s. I went to college in 88. And even at that time, it was incredibly competitive. People were already starting to talk about their resumes. And I hear friends, family friends, moms who were friends with, saying things like,
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my child is eight years old and I haven't started thinking about college yet, like should I be worried?
Seeking Fulfillment: Professional and Personal Lives
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But this is also about the satisfaction and purpose and life choices of the grownups, right? Whether they're feeling fulfilled or not in their personal and professional pursuits,
00:04:25
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in their personal and professional pursuits and moreover in their relationships with one another. Yeah, absolutely. And I think there are so many themes here. What I think we can look at and I don't want to try to. But can you can you kind of I haven't seen the show. I confess.
00:04:44
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Um, I've been watching you, which is also about a married couple that is having difficulty getting along, but it's, it involves, you know, psychotic murders, but it's some of the same problems like struggling to get along in suburbia. It just has this weird killer twist. Um, you know, but they're arguing about like in, in you, the wife keeps killing people and the husband is a much more, is a much more thoughtful killer and sees himself as being a little bit on the killing.
00:05:15
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And he kills sort of he sees himself as killing for more justifiable reasons where she tends to impulsively kill people and then it's a pain in the neck for him he's always cleaning cleaning up her messes literally and figuratively what what happens in Fleishman is in trouble so.
Conflict from Financial Expectations
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The basic thing that happens is that, you know, there are in the midst of a divorce, they've got this like loose custody arrangement. Do we know how the divorce got initiated or no? Yeah. So she was perpetually dissatisfied and kind of messaging to him that he was not enough. He was not earning enough. He was not reaching high enough in spite of his
00:05:57
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So he's not successful enough as a doctor. Not successful enough as a doctor. He makes, you know, a few hundred thousand dollars, which is enough for him. Um, but presumably not enough for her. That's the message. Is it not enough for her? Is it not enough for her because of her feelings about money or do they have material problems?
00:06:18
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mostly her feelings about money and then she has a lot of success and is earning and is working non-stop. She works as like a theater agent and we get the sense that you know she is the higher earner and the harder worker and that she wants more for the family and for the kids but then anyway. She thinks he could work harder, he could make more money.
00:06:41
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right and she like has all these hopes that he's gonna like leave his hospital and go work in an industry on a cannabis study and make you know three times as much that kind of thing um so she's got some ideas for him right which he's not interested right exactly and so that is sort of thanks you know the reason that they give for the marriage falling apart but
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the main plot and like what makes it sort of exciting to watch is that one day she just sort of drops the kids off in the middle of the night and disappears and it's sort of this thriller like what's happened to her and we don't even have to say what ended up happening because what I'm interested in talking about and I hope that you'll join me with this is
00:07:29
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sort of the causes of relationship dissatisfaction, but also how someone comes to be that way, because there were a couple of traumatic events that I think explain, we see people who seem to have these very materially rich lives.
00:07:53
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Do you know anything about the developmental or family history of the parents here? Yeah, so we do. We know that she suffered early parental loss. It's sort of alluded to both parents, I believe. I don't remember the details. And then she was raised by her grandmother and put into this Catholic school where she's really ostracized. And she
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is in business school. Does she go to finishing school at some point? No, but it's eluded the fact that she just has this really difficult and lonely childhood.
00:08:27
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Okay. And feels really about siblings. No siblings meets a guy at a party. Is Catholic school not her culture? I don't where is she? Yeah, she's half Jewish. I think one of her parents was Jewish. And then when she's in business school, and I guess he's in medical school, they're at a party. And they meet and really connect. And she feels
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You know, she goes to his family's house to the Jewish holidays and she feels like this sense of belonging and that's what she wants. They get married. His family is more traditionally culturally Jewish. Yes. And really, it seems like she has this fear of abandonment and he has this fear almost of engulfment.
00:09:13
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because the mother is very overbearing and everyone is. His mother is overbearing. Yeah. What does fear of engulfment mean for people who weren't born in New York. Okay. I think why don't you talk about that. Fear of engulfment. I'm just not sure how you're using it. Like he doesn't like it if people depend on him too much or he thinks he's going to lose himself if someone is too close or
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What is an engulfment obviously would mean to be kind of swallowed whole or something, but is that her style? Like she's gonna kind of ingest him?
00:09:51
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Sort of. It's not that his wife, she's sort of preoccupied, but it's like he's got this eating disorder. I guess that's why I use the term engulfment. And you're right. That is sort of analytic sounding, right? I love the term. I just want to make sure we know what we're talking about for listeners.
Cultural Impact on Relationships
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So he has these underlying issues, right?
00:10:16
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parents or mother sort of were feeding him a lot as a kid. And I think he reacts to that and becomes like this very strict healthy eater and seems to always be worried about excess. And I think he's worried about excess conspicuous consumption. I think he's worried that it's just going to be too much.
00:10:44
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And it turns out that he ends up like sort of dating and having these superficial sort of sexual encounters with women, but not really looking for anything real. I'm just having while he's married. Well, he's, I guess, separated or divorced or separated. I don't know. Maybe the divorce is finalized, but he's got some avoidance of intimacy. Correct.
00:11:07
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or some fear of intimacy because his family kind of forced themselves on him in some kind of way that didn't give him room to really be himself. So the implication is also that it has interfered with his development as a person. And the separation is probably an opportunity for him to resume his development, which has been sort of interrupted mid-adolescence or maybe a little earlier.
00:11:33
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But I think we see that they're not particularly well matched. He's sort of more secure and happy with his job and his place in life.
00:11:44
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doesn't really seem to need much more. And he's come from kind of wealth and being taken care of, and she's come from, I guess, being an orphan and maybe being raised in a much more austere environment. Right, right. And I do think that that sense of deprivation stays with people and really informs a lot of their life choices.
00:12:12
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Yeah, it becomes kind of part of your operating system. Yeah. Yeah. And so we see a couple of things happen. One is like during her delivery, she has, you know, an obstetrician who sort of great treats her like she's hysterical, breaks her water kind of against her will.
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and then she ultimately doesn't progress and has a c-section and we see that she's sort of out of it and doesn't really feel connected to the baby and is sort of starting to process this and goes to the support group at the hospital where she initially is supported and then and sort of falling apart and pulling herself back together. Some other moms are like really mean to her like
00:13:03
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mommy mean girl behavior, which is very, very unfortunate because new moms are vulnerable.
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And I think it's particularly difficult to feel isolated during that time. But then she sees this obstetrician. She's on her way to the process group. She sees the obstetrician in the elevator and then just leaves and is like, I'm going back to work. And so we see her just. The obstetrician who broke her water without her consent. Correct.
00:13:36
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And then she basically is like, I'm not going to be victimized. I'm going to be powerful. And so she sort of moves forward and never really processes any of her trauma. And I think we see the result of that.
00:13:56
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play out. And it's interesting because this is a very popular show and it's been written about a great deal. And I've heard some podcasters might consider talking about it even because it's very relatable in some ways. And it seems important to me that something that is so
00:14:20
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sort of psychologically sophisticated and full of trauma and difficulty and unhappiness and conflict and ambivalence. And, you know, on a basic level, it sounds like people who aren't
00:14:37
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aren't really very aware of themselves, but because of what happens in their lives are motivated to become more self-reflective. It reminds me, some people come to therapy because they kind of see a need for it from afar, but a lot of people come into therapy because something has come up as a crisis in their lives. Why do you think this is so relatable?
00:15:03
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Because I think we see their issues sort of play out and there's not that much. There are a couple of things. There's like the primates of Park Avenue, Jill Kargman did a series called Odd Mom Out, where
00:15:25
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These things sort of come up. This is a really small, small subset of the world. And it, I think, happens mostly in these areas, like what you were talking about, this private school set. But these are people that we would assume would have every advantage to have a happy life, and yet they don't, right? So they're free from
00:15:54
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the most basic stressors, right? Where are we going to sleep tonight? How are we going to get food? They don't have to worry about those things. And they have these beautiful apartments and these great second homes or third homes. And yet, there's a sort of perpetually miserable
00:16:19
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feeling through all of it. Like friends aren't really friends. There's like a toxicity. And most importantly to me, there's a sort of lack of enjoyment of everything that they've worked hard to achieve. But it never feels like enough.
Debunking the Money-Happiness Myth
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And so that part I think is what I wanted to talk about. And it's like, how do we feel secure
00:16:47
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in a city where, or a situation where people might have more. I know that you've recently done some writing on happiness and I want you to share that. I think one relatively, you know, recent things that I've learned is, you know, after a certain point, more money, right? They're sort of diminishing returns. Once the basics are covered, we think, well, do people,
00:17:16
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really need more in order to be happier. And we realize that might not be true. But people who can't do the same things that their peer group might be doing.
00:17:29
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feel left out, they feel unhappy. And I just think this is such important information because the peer group now in New York or just in the world is sort of who we decide it is. So we may decide that our peer group, our people from whom our lives are very, very different. We may have different constraints, different situations, and
00:17:57
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be connected either through social media or through schools with people who are not quite our peer group, right? Or our peer group, maybe intellectually, we value some of the same things, but maybe not financially, right? Not sure. What do you think the, the, what's the point that you're trying to make about, about the difference and how money is viewed?
00:18:22
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Well, my point is that it's really hard to, a lot of people think that more money is going to make them happier or more success or more influence. And it turns out that that's not really true. But if people are feeling unhappy with what they have,
00:18:45
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because they're comparing it to the people who are in proximity, right? We used to say keeping up with the Joneses, right? And the Joneses might have been like the people on your street who were like, had the new Cadillac, right? When you were growing up. But now it's, you're seeing everything everywhere through your phone.
00:19:07
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you know, through school email chains, through, you know, you're just, you can't avoid it as maybe we would have been able to a generation ago. Yeah. You know, I, I see it a little differently in the sense that I don't think this is new at all. Okay. And a generation ago, I think it was the same problem. And that's, you know, that's why the sixties happened.
00:19:34
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There was a real strong reaction against materialism as a solution for meaning in life. And, you know, a strong cultural movement, you know, grew out of that. I remember
00:19:52
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I remember one of the books that I read back in the late 70s or early 80s is by Eric Fromm, which is a book called To Have or To Be. And the thesis of the book was what the title sounded like. And I grew up in a community where there
00:20:09
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Were were a lot of displays of wealth and I was raised by parents who were older than most of the other kids which. You know presents a different set of problems but I was definitely raised not to think that there was meaning in material pursuit.
00:20:25
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but more that there was some level of safety or security to be gained from having a good income and a good career, but that that wasn't the reason and that wasn't what gave one purpose in life necessarily, right? Unless you do something you really love doing and maybe provides a good living. But I think this problem has been sort of an age old struggle actually.
00:20:52
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And I think philosophically, the question of meaning in life, there's sort of two big schools of thought. In my somewhat superficial knowledge, there's the hedonic view that the purpose of life is kind of from pleasure, right? And maybe striving, as you like to say,
00:21:12
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is about what appears to be pleasure in some way, or the access that money gives to pleasurable experiences. And then the other one is eudaimonia, which is kind of the well-lived life.
00:21:25
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which has a totally different, they have different qualities from each other in terms of how emotions are considered. And one of them kind of feeling pleasure is considered the most important thing and therefore sort of being happy in a simplistic way. In the other, there's more of a recognition that there's ups and downs and that more reflection is required perhaps
00:21:55
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and that it's not always, not an easy path necessarily. Not that it's easy to be very, very successful materially. That's a tremendous amount of strain, compromise. Yeah, strain, compromise. And I think a lot of people are struggling to find that balance. But I mean, what did your research,
00:22:19
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tell you about how, you know, going to the right college or let's say these external and sort of external indicators of wealth or privilege right into that. Yeah. I don't, I mean, the, the, the, the work I was looking at recently didn't, didn't really address that per se. And I'd be curious, you know, whether anyone has actually studied that. I know in general, the happiness research shows that most people,
00:22:49
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tend to go toward satisfaction with whatever happens. You know, they could win the lottery and they're really happy at first and then they go back to baseline. And certainly if people have unresolved difficulties as the characters in this show do,
00:23:06
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That's a different reason for being unhappy. It's quite different if people have had a pretty satisfactory upbringing. I'm not sure how common that is. And it's debated in the work I was looking at recently, I was a little surprised because it's really taken off on psychology today. The three pillars of a happy life
00:23:29
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is on the most popular list. And I'm not sure if that's a legitimate source of satisfaction for me or not. It's kind of a dopamine hit. And I'm glad to try to help, right? I like that something can be useful. But what I was struck by is this really was just a broad overview of the happiness literature and the people who wrote the paper, which was in the International Journal of Public Health,
What Truly Constitutes Happiness?
00:23:59
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essentially broke happiness down into three different very broad domains, health, hope, and harmony. And health includes mental health, emotional health, and physical health. Hope includes goal achievement, personal growth, and economic growth.
00:24:17
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And harmony includes social harmony, family harmony, cultural harmony, and religious harmony, as well as environmental harmony. So it was interesting the way they kind of chunked it, I guess. Yeah. It struck a chord. But it's also a lot of the literature they reviewed is cross-cultural. So if you actually look at
00:24:38
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their model. It's just got a huge number of sub factors. So, you know, if you read it, you don't go, okay, that's what I need to do to be happy. It really requires a huge amount of self reflection and wisdom. And I think I think what we see is
00:24:53
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you know, in some sense, there's just not a lot of wisdom in people's lives. I think one of the reasons people want personal growth, self help, therapy, psychedelics, you know, purposeful, meaningful work and personal activities is like a need for more wisdom in the choices people make. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that maybe it's up to us
00:25:19
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not to help people sort of determine their values, but to give them the information that you've just given people, right, these three pillars, and to say that like getting your kid into the right preschool or even the right college is maybe the research doesn't show that that's, let's say, an important pillar of happiness. And of course, people
00:25:48
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should feel free to achieve as much as they can, but that maybe putting all of your eggs in that basket is not going to yield what we hope it would. Yeah, but I mean, what are you supposed to do? You're supposed to use your, as I say, your wise mind, right? And think about
00:26:12
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not just where your kid is going to end up for school but you know what is their overall childhood experience like and how can we make happy memories together and is you know what is the right balance I guess.
00:26:30
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I agree, but I mean, if I put myself in those shoes, the point is really to, I think, secure some kind of safety and to ward off certain threats in life. And sure, it can be maybe overdone, but there's a real reality in environments like that, like these urban environments, that there are limited access to schools.
00:26:56
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And the public schools may not be that great. You might have to move to the suburbs and you might not want to do that. So if you want to live in a city like New York, your best choice might be to compete to get your kids into better schools. So I think there's a kind of a rational component to it and there's a point where it can go too far. So how do you, how do you think about the line?
00:27:21
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Right. But what I'm saying is, you know, what we see in Fleishman is in trouble is that it goes too far, right? You're right that Rachel wants to gain acceptance. And what she wants is really to feel like she's a part of something for safety and to make up for, you know, her wasteland of a childhood. And so I'm sympathetic to her cause, but she's going about it the wrong way.
00:27:50
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What's the right way, right? So she kind of, it catches her off guard. And I don't feel critical of her. I'm putting right way in quotes, you know, she does the best she can do with what she's got, I presume. But if Rachel could go back in time and coach herself when she starts to first notice that she's dissatisfied, what would her future self's advice be to her younger self? Oh, I think it would be to evaluate whether or not
00:28:18
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Her husband's lack of earning potential or earning power is worth sacrificing the marriage. He asks for the divorce, but she is really sort of pushes him away and he feels sort of inadequate and humiliated. And then he, because I think he's healthier, one decides like, okay, I don't want this anymore.
00:28:46
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Um, I think, and maybe this is another podcast for another time, but you said he's the healthier one. Yeah. Because he's not going to stay in a marriage that is making him miserable. Um, she's also miserable, but for reasons that I think are linked to her childhood, she was not interested in leaving. Um, she was interested in making him what she wanted him to be.
00:29:12
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Does he love her? Is there an element where he wants to kind of set her free or not? It's not like that in the story. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe unconsciously. It's not explicit. He's not like, you know, I'm holding you back. Like you need to be free. He's like, I don't get this. And this is crazy. And she's like, but don't you want our kids to have everything? And don't you want, you know, this and that. And he doesn't,
00:29:41
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So I think when we look at what could she have done differently, what would have helped her live a more fulfilling, well-balanced, happier life, one big thing is we see the quality of our relationships.
00:30:02
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can really determine our happiness. And there was a big study that recently came out by Robert Waldinger. It was probably the longest ongoing study. I just bought the book about it, and I would want to talk about it, but it really talks. And there's plenty of other books, but this one is really research-based.
00:30:28
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And it helps us look at how we spend our time and does that align with what we value and what we enjoy? If we say our friendships for our marriage or our relationships with our kids are really important to us, but then we spend 18 hours a day working, we might not be happy.
00:30:51
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is somewhat individualized, but you get the sense that people would like more direction about how to live well.
Therapy's Role in Discovering Joy
00:31:00
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And there's tons of advice. I'm sure a lot of it is really good. It seems like it's also hard for people to, I don't know, make use of it. Curious if you have any thoughts about that, because there's a million books that are probably amazing if you kind of set yourself to live differently.
00:31:21
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For sure, but I think sometimes people need to talk with that and I think that's what therapy can be for. If we're not happy and not sure why, not sure why the life that we've worked so hard to build is not bringing us joy, right? Pleasure. Do you kind of just accept it or do you do something different?
00:31:50
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Yeah, I think that we should do that. Did they think about couples therapy and Fleishman's in trouble?
00:31:56
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I don't remember. Doesn't always work, but so maybe shifting gears a little bit. I see we've been talking about half an hour. We probably will stop in a few minutes. I don't know if you want to go in this direction, but it occurs to me as we're talking and I think about it and I think about it other times as well as, you know, the role of media in our culture for helping people think about these things. You kind of say, well, that's where therapy can be helpful.
00:32:25
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And I almost feel at times, and this has always been true in literature, but, you know, as I want to say TV, but I don't know if people still call it TV, you know, shows, binge worthy shows.
00:32:41
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seem to be very, very psychological, right? And we seem to go almost from one show to the other to the next that kind of catches different sectors of the populations, you know, angst, anxieties, the zeitgeist. I was really struck by, you know, squid game really captured the imagination for a while, I guess, in the pandemic.
00:33:02
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it must have resonated with that feeling of the arbitrariness of who lives and who dies and whether fighting to live or fighting for happiness will get you somewhere.
00:33:15
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But that was my thought is kind of how do you think about these types of shows and their role, and do people come in and bring it up in therapy, for example? I haven't found that to be the case with this particular show, but I know a lot of the people I work with for whom it resonates sometimes very closely. Yeah, yeah. I think- Maybe they don't have that network subscription.
00:33:41
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Maybe, maybe. And it, I, I don't think it's necessarily appeals to a huge audience. I think this is more something. Um, how were their Nielsen's? What? How were their Nielsen's? What is that? The Nielsen ratings, like how successful was the show? How many viewers did they have? I have no idea. What does an advertising spot cost there? I don't know. Do they advertise on that channel? I don't think so. Not really, not really. But, um,
00:34:10
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How many subscribers did they get because of Fleishman's in trouble? I need KPIs, Dr. White. I guess the point is that, you know, a lot of times we can identify with certain characters or either with their stories or their struggles and it can teach us something about ourselves and what we are lacking and what we need. And so I think anything that makes people think is good, anything that brings people together
00:34:40
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and helps us find compassion for those people in our lives is a positive. And it gets us asking the right questions, which is, I guess, why I appreciated it and why I wanted to talk about it today. Do you think someday someone will make a television show which saves the world? I hope so. The world could use the saving.
TV as a Mirror for Psychological Themes
00:35:07
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I've been enjoying watching a mockumentary called Conk on Earth, which is like BBC style mockumentary. And I think I shared some clips with you, but I was kind of channeling her when I said, do you think one day they'll make a television show that saves the earth? Anyway, any final thoughts?
00:35:29
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Yeah, I think there's more to say on this. Like you said, it could be something we talk about down the road. It also brings up for me the role of expertise, right? When you're an expert therapist, but it is true that the media is so sophisticated and people will come in, you know, with a lot on their mind.
00:35:47
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And maybe they've even read up on psychology in some kind of substantial way. And I like that. I think it's really good for people to have that information so you can ultimately have your own idea of your own psychology and your own emotional needs. And I think that makes therapy more useful in a lot of ways.
00:36:12
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00:36:29
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00:36:47
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