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Daily Liverpool - Merseyside Drama 2-2!
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Liverpool came away with a point in the last Merseyside Derby ever at Goodison Park with a thrillinbg 2-2 draw.
Adarsh Ramchurn and Tom Goward join Jesse Sarwar to go through this most dramatic of Merseyside Derbies.
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Merseyside Derby Recap
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Hello and welcome to the Daily Liverpool Podcast brought to you by the Global Sports Podcast Network, Everton 2, Liverpool 2 in the final Derby game at Goodison Park. The most dramatic end to this game. Everton went ahead with Beto after 11 minutes. Liverpool equalised five minutes later through Macalester. Salah looks have won it.
00:00:38
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on around about 73 minutes. but in the 98th minute, uh, Tarkowski, uh, Everton center back levels it for Everton and Q absolute bedlam and pandemonium.
00:00:52
Adarsh
Wow.
00:00:57
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I've got Tom Goud and a dash ram churn with steam coming out of the ears. Fellas, what a an evening of football. Adash, I'm going to start with you. just I don't know where to start. you you yeah I'm going to take my key from you.
00:01:17
Adarsh
Oh my gosh, I don't even know where to start as well. I don't know if you can tell but my voice is gone. Me and my brother have been screaming at the TV for 90 minutes.
00:01:29
Adarsh
Yeah, there's just so much to unpack. I think I was like, I thought when it got... I can't even put words into the sentence. I was set on us winning from like the 96th minute I thought okay that after that we've done I've that's why I'm annoyed because I literally had I was not in the mode of we would drop points I thought the referee would blow the whistle he didn't blow the whistle they had one last chance and then They celebrated like they won the Champions League.
00:01:56
Adarsh
i I know it's the last Goodison derby, Mergeside Derby, but they honestly, if they, I think they celebrated like that when they survived relegation, like the day, the last day of the season, this as well.
00:02:08
Adarsh
It's just like, we've won so many trophies. I've never seen Anfield go as crazy as that. And yeah, that got on my nerves. And then the whole decorate Jones and slot getting a
Impact on Liverpool's Title Aspirations
00:02:18
Adarsh
red card.
00:02:19
Adarsh
I don't even, like the referee just, yeah, there's just so much to get into.
00:02:20
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yeah
00:02:22
Adarsh
And I know we'll get into it.
00:02:22
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i'm like
00:02:23
Adarsh
part
00:02:23
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we wrote Tom, obviously we'll we'll go into the into you know the meat and bones of this game and the performance, but in terms of the actual result, what do you think This does for Liverpool's title bid.
00:02:41
Tom Goward
I mean with seven points clear if that was our game in hand right like I think no more game in hand but with seven points clear Arsenal still got to come to Anfield we play City in a couple of weeks we've got a League Cup final to look for look forward to as well.
00:02:44
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No more gaming hand.
00:02:56
Tom Goward
So as annoying as it is considering the last minute equalizer, normally the revolves are reversed, normally I'm the annoyed while the U2 are quite calm, but I'm going to try to calm one and be like, it's not all bad. We haven't lost. All right, we dropped two points at the last minute, but we haven't lost. There's still good things to look forward to. Like I say, Arsenal still got come to Anfield. You'd like to think we should win that, especially with the news of they've basically got no more forwards anymore, depending how long that lasts.
00:03:25
Tom Goward
but What a great game of football, very neutral. But i think I think we're absolutely fine. I think we're absolutely fine. Like I say, seven points clear. We've got Wolves at the Weeknd. You'd like to think, again, we win that. Get the confidence back and we'll just go from there, really. they
00:03:41
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I think the only concern for me, I think, look, you know, before the game, if you'd said, look, you know, you're going to get a point, this this game is going to be a draw, then, you know, this's you'd you'd take it, you'd probably think, all right, you know, we we should we should still be Everton, but, you know, a point at Goodison Park,
00:04:01
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the atmosphere being what it is on a normal Derby day occasion and then you know you just kind of multiply that by 100 with the last ever Derby at Goodson Park then you'd say you know what a point is not the end of the world it's it's actually a decent result
00:04:05
Adarsh
Thank you.
00:04:19
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ah But football isn't about the kind of cold statistics of we've got a point. It's about the emotion as well, right? And I just think that if you look, if you looked at the Liverpool players at the end of that game, it's like they'd lost
Fans' Disappointment and Pressure Ahead
00:04:35
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the game.
00:04:36
Adarsh
Mm, yeah.
00:04:37
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Right. ah that that and And I'm sure the majority, well, I'm like i'm i'm going to say it, all Liverpool supporters will feel that way. aza It feels like a defeat. Yes, in the cold light of day, maybe tomorrow morning, you know, before the Wolves game, everyone picks themselves up and thinks, okay, the point is not a bad result.
00:04:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
it, but it feels like a defeat. And I'm just thinking, and then the emotion for Arsenal as well, that they go from, you know, we're we're going to win this game, Liverpool are going to win this game and go nine points clear. And then all of a sudden, you have the the elation of a, an Everton equalizer.
00:05:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
And Liverpool now seven points clear, which is still a healthy lead. But it's not nine points a dash. So You know, should we be concerned or is it still something that we really should navigate through this?
00:05:31
Adarsh
Thank you. uh i don't i'm with tom i'm not concerned about little pool this season i actually didn't think we played that well i don't think we created that many chances for being completely honest but I was saying to my brother during the game, I feel like this is a Liverpool smash and grab. but I think Everton are making it a difficult game for us. So we can let I think we'll get a chance, we'll score, and I think we'll nick it. And i i was i was I think I was just so set on that belief that it's just like the whole end of the game kind of threw me off. I think, no, I agree with Tom. I think we're still in a healthy position. I mean, if you think about it, it's another tough away game ticked off.
00:06:12
Adarsh
We've got Villa next week and City away next week as well. So I mean, that's that's kind of, if you were looking at the flip side, those are two tough away games. And what could have been nine points, now seven points, those are two difficult games to look for, to navigate. Can we get through that still seven points clear? That's a little bit pessimistic. I feel like you guys are seeing a different side to me. I'm never usually like this this pessimistic or down. but
00:06:40
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It's a good job Connor Norcott's not here. Otherwise, ah ah I think we'd all be jumping off rooftops.
00:06:46
Adarsh
Yeah, I would be going crazy. But I just think, yeah, I i still there's a lot of football to be played. It's just I think the emotion of the Derby's kind of just had its had its impact.
00:06:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
All right, let's let's get into of the detail of the game.
Tactical Analysis: Liverpool vs Everton
00:06:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's a lot of starting lineup for the game. Alison in goal, no surprise there. Bradley, which I think a lot of us predicted starting at right back. And Robertson at left back. Knaute van Dyck making up that back four. Gravenberg-McAllister, Sir Bozleit, again, no surprises there.
00:07:16
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And then Salah Diaz and Gackpo Diaz getting the nod ahead of Nunez and Jota, which I think a few of us were surprised with. I thought that, I thought Diaz has recently been not as effective, you know, in that central position as someone like let's say Nunez or Jota. And I was surprised that, that he gave him the nod, but that was,
00:07:41
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was the team that slot started with and it looked like Liverpool were trying to kind of, you know, put their foot on the ball and just, you know, kind of lower the temperature in in the crowd by just playing possession football, I think, you know, it was the right thing to do. But I do think that sometimes playing that style of football can almost by default means that the intensity sometimes doesn't look as though it's there, which then if you're playing in a Derby game and then the other team is really kind of ferocious, then I think sometimes you can get caught out. And we did get caught out and I thought it was a disappointed goal to concede, Tom.
00:08:24
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know, 11 minutes in. think it was actually Connor Bradley that played ah ah Beto onside because I think the rest of the back four held a pretty tight line. But you know, even then I just think it was such a ah ah simple ball through that line, that back line and you know, it was a comfortable finish.
00:08:44
Tom Goward
I don't want to put the blame, but it was probably never a free kick in the first place, looking back at the replay.
00:08:50
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it was a shocking decision.
00:08:51
Adarsh
Right.
00:08:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we will obviously speak more about Michael Oliver.
00:08:52
Tom Goward
Yeah.
00:08:58
Tom Goward
yeah
00:08:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
But I i just, and it's it seems like, ah ah did McAllister do something to Michael Oliver in a previous life or something?
00:09:07
Adarsh
Yeah.
00:09:07
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Because it just, it felt like, you know, and anything that went on in the pitch, it just turned around to McAllister. McAllister always had this kind of look of just bewilderment like, you know, what, what are you doing now?
00:09:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
But again, it was just, it was, it was a nothing, a nothing challenge.
00:09:24
Tom Goward
No.
00:09:25
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And I get a free kick from it.
00:09:28
Tom Goward
I mean, yeah, but regardless, that Liverpool should have done better anyway. I feel like we should be dealing with those situations, if even if it is a genuine free kick. thought canare wasn't They almost didn't know they were switched on enough.
00:09:41
Tom Goward
Canati could have been a bit closer.
00:09:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:09:42
Tom Goward
I didn't don't want a bit too much playing because I thought for the rest of the game, Canati played well. But just, yeah, a cheap Liverpool goal to concede, really, not our style to concede a goal like that.
00:09:54
Tom Goward
A good finish from Beto.
00:09:58
Tom Goward
But it's frustrating when it's not a free... When you watch the replay, and you've got the commentator saying and you can see it with your own eyes and he's just full on dived and it's just like such an annoying goal to give away but Liverpool in their own respects have done a lot better defending it and yeah but like we say we turned it around pretty well
00:10:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
But, you know, it only took five five minutes or so before McAllister, who I thought i had a really good game. And, you know, it was him who in his kind of counter press, you know, Everton were looking to counter attack and he kind of intercepts.
00:10:34
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and then, you know, plays it to Salah. Salah plays a beautiful ball in. And McAllister, great header right into the far corner. And, you know, Jordan Pickford, who is not known for having the longest arms, just, you know, couldn't get anywhere near that ball. But 1-1 Adash, you think, right, this is the platform now. And, you know, we'll settle the team down. well I think it was important to get that goal, that equalizer quickly.
00:11:03
Adarsh
Yeah, I think Leopold's response after going behind was was great in terms of getting that quick-fire goal. you said, McAllister, who I thought was exceptional throughout, again, I feel like we're going to talk a lot about him and how well he's been doing the season, but he does pop up with some really important goals. I think even in the short time of being at Leopold, I remember obviously that stunner towards the end of last season, but Yeah, I think brilliant header. And I think we didn't really create that many chances afterwards. I remember Sobberslice shot from the edge of the box, which Pickford pushed pushed away. But I don't think we created that many chances. I think one of the things we didn't do very well, and again, we'll probably talk about it, is kind of as much as the referee was blowing his whistle every 10 seconds, I think we were kind of a bit naive in terms of making the game a bit disrupted. and
00:11:52
Adarsh
kind of playing into Everton's hands and like that's where they gain gained a bit of confidence and momentum. But I think for the rest of the first half it was just a bit edgy and then the second half is where it really like exploded for me.
00:12:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. And I mean. Liverpool were, I thought we were okay. And you know obviously we we dominated possession in that first half, but there just wasn't enough cutting edge up front, Tom, you know, what did you see that, you know, what what do you think was the
Critique of Liverpool's Forwards
00:12:22
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reason for that? Was it that the midfield weren't supplying the front players or, you know, the the movement, it just seems that, you know, Salah looked a bit kind of isolated and, you know, Gackpo was almost kind of anonymous at
00:12:36
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ah ah many stages in that first half.
00:12:38
Tom Goward
it It felt like at times we were playing with like 9 or 10 players because you've almost got Gappo and Diaz not doing anything and it's almost like, okay Salah didn't do a lot but and then he pops up with a goal and assists like he does so you just cannot criticise that man but the problem is is you're playing a left winger who had a few good games at striker up front again because you're two back-up strikers, one of them is injury prone and one of them is just not good enough. I mean, that's the problem. Goutpro has been great this season on the left wing and that spots his now an off sallow salad and And you've got these three forwards now, strikers, who one's a left winger, one's injured every other game and one of them is just an awful footballer. i mean
00:13:23
Tom Goward
he came, I mean he came on and he came on and like Diaz was obviously struggling and Diaz comes on and but like what did he do? Like you name me in that 20-25 minutes he came on, no he went in for a tackle and injured himself and was on the floor from trying to like I just he had a good game against Spurs I know he didn't score but I quite like what he did he set up one of the goals and runs he did have a good game and I actually wanted him to start tonight because I thought it could cause Everton problems again doing what he did against Spurs and he's come on to a sort of a hostile environment you know the fans are on and he's just he's he's falling over the place he's I just I read today that Saudi obviously put a bid in for him in the
00:13:46
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you know i
00:14:08
Tom Goward
in the January window but to cut like I think that first week of the summer transfer window, he's gone.
00:14:14
Adarsh
and
00:14:14
Tom Goward
You're cashing that money if it's 30 million, 70 million, however much they want, just get rid of him because he is they and there's a few so i'm gonna go off on one now but
00:14:24
Adarsh
yeah Here we go.
00:14:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
You go ahead, mate. I've got more comments in there.
00:14:25
Tom Goward
it's a few
00:14:26
Tom Goward
there's a few players i think There's a few players in this Liverpool team all right we're doing good and we're in the final win but top of the champions z table on top of league but there's a few players that are just standing out like sore thumbs in the Liverpool team of how bad they are and we're we're lucky that we've got world-class players in other positions.
00:14:43
Tom Goward
to get them out of that situation. Salah, for example, like God knows where he'd be without him this season. Van Dijk at defence, again, clearing up other people's mistakes. The left back position is our worst position on the pitch. He's brought off a crap Robertson for an even worse Simicast. And I don't want to say us because we've dropped dropp points, but they they even when we win they're still bad. It's not like they're bad because we've lost.
00:15:09
Tom Goward
the midfield the free midfield tonight are the best midfield but as soon as one of them gets injured it's like our centre backs as soon as one of them gets injured we put endo on which no disrespect to him i know he works hard but it's not he's not at a level of the other three you bring kurtis jones on who bought two minutes into coming on tonight gets booked and now has got a red card there's again that forward fight they just think there is some players ah ah that are really not good enough for this Liverpool team and are getting away with it because we've got better players in the similar position or around them that are getting them out of trouble. And it's and it's it' games like tonight that shows where you bring Nunes on, you bring Jot on and they do nothing. You're just relying on Salah again. I'd love to know where we'd be in the league without Salah's goals and assists because
00:15:57
Tom Goward
I mean the last two league games you take away Salah's assist tonight and Salah's goal, the two games against Bournemouth and the two goals against Bournemouth and that's just the last two games in the league. and I think Gatpo's been good and, you know, credit to him, but some of those forwards, I think I read as well this week that Diaz, Nunez and Jota all might be sold in the summer, you know, potentially, like goods, like getting the money for them, go and splash it on EZAC or a world-class striker that will actually get you the 20 goals that you paid for, that you're hoping to get for Nunez by spending whatever they spent on him.
00:16:32
Tom Goward
I mean, and again, in other positions, the left back is just the worst position and and on the pitch for us at the moment.
00:16:38
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Robinson, I thought it was disappointing to see him getting booked for kicking the ball.
00:16:41
Adarsh
Yeah, that got me.
00:16:42
Tom Goward
But why is he doing that?
00:16:42
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He's done that a few times.
00:16:43
Tom Goward
but why But why is he doing that?
00:16:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
not
00:16:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
but i and
00:16:45
Tom Goward
Why is he kicking the ball away?
00:16:46
Tom Goward
I just, yeah I expect something better from him.
00:16:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
what He's not 21 years old.
00:16:51
Tom Goward
No. No, no.
00:16:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's one of the captains.
00:16:54
Tom Goward
Yeah.
00:16:54
Adarsh
and
00:16:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
in the team. And, you know, you you immediately put yourself under pressure, you put your back four under pressure, because, you know, one more and, and you're off.
Post-Match Tensions and Altercations
00:17:05
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But that second half, I thought that Everton really came out. And, you know, they, you know, they tried to put us under a lot more pressure, I thought Canate, you know, really kind of withstood a lot of the kind of physical pressure that he was he was under.
00:17:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
There was a penalty check on Canate, a handball. What do you guys think Adash, you know, would you have been surprised if that was given? I suppose you're not surprised by any refereeing decisions I really argue.
00:17:32
Adarsh
Yeah.
00:17:35
Adarsh
Do you know what? There was a moment because ive because of the way the game was going and how my qualifier was refereeing that I was concerned. But yeah, there was never there was no chance they were going to give that. But I don't know if you guys heard Louie's voice.
00:17:47
Adarsh
No, he thought it was a penalty. I don't think it's a penalty.
00:17:50
Tom Goward
enough.
00:17:51
Adarsh
But i would I genuinely wouldn't have been surprised if my qualifier had given it because of some of those decisions. I don't know if you saw but one of the stats, I think, We gave all, well, we I don't think we gave away all of them, but I think Leopold had around 20 or 23 files given against them.
00:18:08
Adarsh
ah ah And then Everton at eight. This just doesn't make any sense.
00:18:11
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and And the majority of those, I mean, they they were literally ghost tackles, that, you know, the player just, you know, swipes thin air.
00:18:22
Adarsh
Hmm.
00:18:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
And, you know, the Everton player goes down, even the guy that went off, I can't remember his name. And Sir Bosleye was being booed for, you know, for that right, and, and he, he was penalized for that was a free kit to Everton replay show, Everton player kick the turf.
00:18:30
Adarsh
Oh, enjoy. yeah
00:18:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
And it's literally right in front of the referee, right in front of the referee. And I'm not going to go on about refereeing right now. We will come to the refereeing. But, you know, we had a few substitutions. Trent came on for Bradley. Again, Bradley gets booked for an absolutely non-existent, forget it being a booking. It's not even a foul. It's not even a foul.
00:19:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
But he gets booked and that immediately then puts him under pressure. bring Trent on, which did give Liverpool or give Everton something different to think about in terms of obviously the quality of his passing. yeah Trent is cutting more kind of inside infield as opposed to Bradley, who tends to go out wide. And then, you know, Salah scores, you know, he makes it 2-1 on around about 72-73 minutes. After Nunes and Jones combined, to be fair to them, they came on and combined to kind of make that opportunity. So last cause, and you just think, you know, that that should be it. And and from then on, up to about once we got into stoppage time, it did look like Liverpool were managing the game, you know, really well. And it looked like we should actually go on and and win the game. And there's a moment where
00:20:03
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Salah is running through the middle of Everton defence and he just gets taken down and it's like again literally right in front of the referee Adash and Salah just like collapses on the floor. What is going on here? But at that stage you you just think that Liverpool should hold on.
00:20:27
Adarsh
that was the one I was... Because i I don't know what minute that was of the...
00:20:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
It was 90 minutes.
00:20:31
Adarsh
Was it during stoppage time? And that eats away a few seconds, then they don't get that drop ball, and then... That whole last stoppage time period was just frustrating, and I think...
00:20:42
Adarsh
i I cannot tell you how... Like, I don't get how that's not a foul. One, two, like, you can see even the Everton players were like, oh, like, surely that's a foul. They were shocked that it wasn't.
00:20:53
Adarsh
It's just like those decisions, like... that really just grind me because it's like you clearly haven't given Liverpool any decisions during the game and then just to like make matters worse like it's it's a blatant foul and yeah I've just I really I've not I've not had a moment this season where I've like really berated any referee but this really this yeah my quality really tested my patience and I think I mean if slots get in red cards that tells you something doesn't it
00:21:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
It does. And then, you know, we we don't hold on. And obviously there's that huge long VAR check. You know, is do you think there's anything in, Tom, in that Canate foul? You know, there are people saying that that should have been given as a foul against Canate. If I'm being honest, I don't think there's enough there. I don't think there's enough there. And um'm um um I'm trying to be as objective as possible here.
00:21:48
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that if it was the other way round, let's say if it's it's a Liverpool striker going up, it's you know, the whole both teams are in that packed in that penalty area, there's going to be some bumping and physical contact, right? You know, or am I being too objective? Tom, do do you think that was a foul?
00:22:06
Tom Goward
No, I think Canate probably wanted a foul, but like you just said, there's going to be pushing and shoving and it's Canate, like you would expect him to hold his own a bit better there.
00:22:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:22:16
Tom Goward
if If it's one of the smaller players, maybe McAllister or someone, then you go, okay, they've just been outdone, but it's Canate and that ball just bounces. I mean, it's just that what is going on.
00:22:27
Tom Goward
It's not like we didn't have anyone back, but Okay, Canati misses it fine, whatever, foul or not, he's off balance, he's missed the ball. But you've got Van Dyke behind him, you've got Simicast behind him, I think it was another player behind, like, you've got like, that ball has been allowed to bounce in that Everton box far too many times there.
00:22:46
Tom Goward
And then you've got their centre back, their captain just lurking back post. So just like, how I mean, it was some finish, but, but it's just like, you like you just said, yeah, go on, sorry, go on.
00:22:51
Adarsh
Anything left? Yeah.
00:22:57
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And to be fair, I was going to say, to be fair to Everton, it was absolute scenes at the end.
00:23:03
Tom Goward
Yeah. yeah
00:23:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
And you know what, look, I know that, you know, they're going to get trolled. that Look, you know, you don't win anything. And, you know, you like Yadash said, right, they're're they're celebrating like they've won the Champions League.
00:23:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
But, you know, look, they are where they are. Right. And so they've got to celebrate, you know, whatever small wins they can, you know, they can get and, you know, scoring a 98th minute goal in the last ever Merseyside Derby.
00:23:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
to prevent Liverpool from I think it was 41 all wasn't it 41 wins each in medicine and so you know Liverpool would have had eternal bragging rights over Goodison Park and also to you know put a little bit of a break on Liverpool's title charge.
00:23:33
Tom Goward
Mm.
00:23:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, you know, you can understand them going absolutely mental, but it did kick off towards the end as well. In terms of, I think it was to Corey that went to the away supporters and started giving it to the away supporters, which obviously Curtis Jones, local lad took real umbrage to and I've never seen him like that.
00:24:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
He was absolutely, he was furious.
00:24:11
Adarsh
Yeah.
00:24:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
And in fact, he was had being held back by the police. But then Adash, you mentioned on his slot as well. On his slot gets sent off. And ah ah as a straight red card for a manager, what does that mean for a manager if you get a straight red card? Is that a one match ban?
00:24:30
Adarsh
I think so. But yeah, I'm pretty sure it is, which is the Wolves game.
00:24:32
Tom Goward
I think it's one, yeah.
00:24:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
So then we'd miss the wolves game.
00:24:37
Adarsh
yeah Yeah, I mean, there was carnage at full time. I've got, yeah, Decoré, I mean, I just don't know what he's doing. It doesn't make any sense. Like, I get you've won the game, but yeah, I don't know any other team any other player that goes to the Wave fans and sort of starts taunting them, regardless of what the game is, so...
00:24:56
Adarsh
And just these Everton players, they they they whenever they play Liverpool, I know it's like obviously the big rivals, but even Beto, I've never seen um've never seen him have a good game up until today.
00:25:07
Adarsh
Like he was playing like prime drug bar, holding off the ball, running in behind, his goal well taken. I've never seen him play like that. Dukori as well. Like some of those players, like yeah I mean, that that's why they're near the bottom of the league.
00:25:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Manchester United have been the same this season, right?
00:25:21
Adarsh
Yeah, and that's why I find it so fresh.
00:25:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
They've done absolutely nothing and then they turn up against Liverpool and you know they look like they're ah the they're going to qualify for the Champions League. But look, we're going to go to a very, very short break and then we're going to come back and absolutely lay into the referee.
Refereeing Controversies
00:26:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right, Michael Oliver. Tom, you said earlier that about the standard of refereeing. I think we've got a voice note from our colleague louis Louise know over at the Premier League English and about the consistency of refereeing.
00:26:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I've got to say that for me, it's it's not about consistency. Because I think that's, I think that's a false narrative in football. Asking for a game which is inherently subjective, right? Every, unless you're talking about line calls, right? Is the ball over the line? Okay. Or is someone offside? Everything else is subjective. Everything.
00:26:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
you know, what, you know, the Canata incident, right? At the end, there's some referees that might have think, you know what, that's a foul. And there's other referees who are going to think, well, no, actually, no, there's, you know, football is a bit of physical contact. I'm going to let that one go.
00:27:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
So I don't buy into this idea that there is a problem with referees being consistent. My issue is just basic competence. It's just basic competence. So when a player, and we we see this every single week in the Premier League, and I guarantee you Watch the Premier League this weekend and you'll see this incident I'm gonna but about to tell you. Week in week out, a defender has got the ball. He's running towards his own goal. He's going to fall down. He's going to fall down.
00:27:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's got the ball at his feet. protect he's goingnna be's He's shaping up to shield the ball, okay? And then he'll just fall. And the referees take the easy option. They'll just give a free kick because they think, if I don't give a free kick, the strike is just through on goal. But it's not a foul. It's just not a foul.
00:28:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
And you just see this time and time again, McAllister, it was right in front of the referee, right in front. And you could see the way in which the player falls, that that there's no way that McAllister had made contact with him in that way. I think he would have broken his leg.
00:28:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
And then the Salah one, again, he's in his line of vision. He's literally in his line of vision and he's taken out. For me, it's just basic competence. And I would, I would say that I've said it before. I think this is the worst set of referees that we've ever had in the premier league.
00:28:52
Tom Goward
I think VAR has changed the way that a football game is managed. One, the referees have become too reliant on it. Now I think date it doesn't matter if they make a good or bad decision, 9 out of 10 times, VAR is going to get them out of it.
00:29:08
Tom Goward
two I think people forget referees are there to make sure there's no cheating, to make sure the games play fairly. They have far too much influence on how a game is dictated and finished and what goes on now. I think Mark White, the dorky manager, came out and said this on a podcast or an interview or something. He said he said it about fourth officials, about how much they get involved on the sideline to the referee talking in an area and then the referee has an impact again and like you said that if you think it's a konate foul or not a foul some rest might give that as a foul some rest might so now you're saying that depending on who the person is determines an outcome of a game regardless if it's Liverpool or anything right and we've seen some really bad decisions even with VAR coming we've seen even some worse decisions than ever and I think games now are so reliant on
00:29:59
Tom Goward
the referee giving one team more fouls, less fouls, whatever it may be. But I think people forget that the referees are just there to to oversee a game, to make sure there's no cheating, whatever, blah, blah, blah. They have far too much say on how a game is finished now in terms of giving a foul, like the sadder one at the end.
00:30:21
Tom Goward
but so How is that?
00:30:23
Adarsh
one
00:30:24
Tom Goward
It's not a yellow card. How is that? I just cannot see. And I don't know if Mo's given himself, you know in the past about Mo used to dive a lot and stuff or whatever. I mean, we'll try and win. And I don't know if that's reputation still rubbing off on the refs in that way or whatever.
00:30:38
Tom Goward
But like that wasn't a dive. That would that was a clear foul. right We get a free kick down our end. We keep the ball. We play it into a corner or whatever. We see out that game.
00:30:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, that's...
00:30:46
Tom Goward
We win the game. But because the referee doesn't do that, dictates the game. We then get two players that have clashed heads or whatever happened to those two. So we're down for an extra two or three minutes, which is you know then adds on the time, which that goes and scores it.
00:31:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, that one, that one I can understand, that but there was another incident where I think it was McAllister again.
00:31:01
Tom Goward
and i'm not
00:31:07
Tom Goward
Yeah, when he poked singing he out when he hit his face.
00:31:09
Adarsh
Oh, yeah, that one.
00:31:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
and
00:31:11
Adarsh
yeah He stops the game for no reason.
00:31:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
That is not a head injury.
00:31:13
Tom Goward
No.
00:31:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
The guy's not going to be, you know, he's not going to be in hospital tonight.
00:31:15
Adarsh
Yeah.
00:31:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Trust me. He just caught him in the face. There was no need to stop that game.
00:31:25
Tom Goward
But this is what I mean about referees having an impact on the game, because Liverpool could have gone on and scored from that counter, like that attack.
00:31:32
Tom Goward
yeah You don't know that, but you they could have done. But because this guy's been hitting the cheek, or wherever he was, and it it looks like it hurts more falling to the floor than it actually being hit in the face. and it's just like and and because it's an Everton the fans are not gonna like if I was at Anfield right obviously the crowd would have gone mental but I think the referee gets away with it more because it's an Everton so you're not gonna get the Everton fans kicking up a fuss you're just gonna get the Porsche and the Liverpool fans in the corner which is not going to be loud enough to like make the referee go like that but I think I think the referee had a shock I think both lines man there was times where
00:32:06
Tom Goward
against us and for us where the ball's gone out and they've given it to the other team, both us and we've kicked the ball out and they've given it to us or ever to on whatever.
00:32:10
Adarsh
Right.
00:32:14
Tom Goward
I think there was a few times, there was one with gapo, the ball looked like it'd gone out for a goal kick. like It's just basic things that when VAR before it wasn't in, referees would have to get that decision right and they'd just rely on it.
00:32:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
so For me, so basic it's basic in competency, but I think it's actually worse than them relying on VAR.
00:32:27
Tom Goward
yeah
00:32:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because what very often happens is that the decision gets lost in this kind of black hole of indecision. So that there'll be ah ah ah there'll be a decision on field where the referee thinks, oh, that might be fa might be a foul. You know what? I'm going to let it go. Because if if it if it if it's a foul, VAR will let me know. But VAR says, well, actually, it probably is a foul, but it's not a clear and obvious. So I'm going to let it go.
00:33:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
And so what you have then are these non-decisions. So I reckon the Salah one is ah ah is a good example of that, where Michael Oliver is probably thinking, maybe that's a foul, but I'm not going to blow for that.
00:33:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
and wait for VAR to tell me that, you know what, you've that's you've dropped a clango there, that's a that's a foul. But VAR thinks it's actually not a clear and obvious. And so you get all of these decisions that are falling into this kind of black hole of indecision. And that's why I just think that VAR has ah fundamentally impacted, not just that the the way in which decisions are made, but the way in which decisions are not made and And that's not really what VAR was for, but so yeah.
00:33:53
Adarsh
Yeah, i I was going to say just sorry, Jesse. But the one other thing that I did want to speak about, because it really did bother me during the game, was I just felt he gave a yellow card at every instance. And I feel like when it comes, I feel like the referee, as you're kind of told, when it's like a derby, don't brandish your cards out too quickly. don't get Because then you lose control of the game. I think he lost control of the game as soon as he started branding out those yeah yellow cards in the first half. I mean, exactly agree with you around bradley Bradley's one.
00:34:23
Adarsh
I mean, he could have just had a word with him, but no, it gives him a yellow card. The Macalester one, I mean, yeah, we've already spoken about that and he's given yellow cards. I can't even keep track of how many yellow cards he was given.
00:34:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
the
00:34:34
Adarsh
and
00:34:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Right, if you there was the Champions League game yeah the other night between Manchester City and Real Madrid, I think it got to 90 minutes and no one would be booked.
00:34:42
Adarsh
Hmm.
00:34:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
And there were some tasty challenges going on in that game. But but no one was booked. And I just think that I'm not saying that there are not, you know, poor referees you know in Europe. But i do I do see visibly, I think, that our standards have really dropped in England. We used to have the best referees in the world 10, 15 years ago. But I think that the standard is is really quite shocking now. But so look, we could go on and on and on about referees. Tom, you've got Curtis Jones now, red carded. So he misses a game.
Looking Ahead: Upcoming Challenges
00:35:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Arnie's slot will not be on the bench for the for the Wolves game. Are we going to kind of recover from this and you know just see it as a you know a minor setback? But it just means now that that Wolves game, again, we say this almost every week,
00:35:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
It does become an important game because it's that reaction, right? Because like I said, we didn't lose, but it it feels like we lost. And so we are going to have to have a really positive reaction without Arnie's slot on the bench.
00:35:58
Tom Goward
and And if we do, I mean, I hope we don't, but if we do drop points to Wolves at the weekend, if it's a draw or a lose or whatever, then you start to go, right, Liverpool lost to Plymouth, they can see the last minute goal to Everton in a week, they've dropped points again, and then suddenly the media go, well, what's going on at Liverpool?
00:36:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:36:13
Tom Goward
And so then,
00:36:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
whole narrative Chinese.
00:36:14
Adarsh
and Yeah.
00:36:15
Tom Goward
yeah and then that so that pressure will then suddenly add to Liverpool I think I think we'll be all right I think Wolves is probably a good game to have I'd be a bit worried if we had like a villa at the weekend for example but I think Wolves is a nice game to sort of slot misses it back for villa game whatever but I don't know I like to think we will get I think we will I don't think we need to panic push the panic button or anything but Like I just said, you loop you drop points there, you then go to a way to Villa, then a way to City, and then you could drop points more there, and then suddenly in your last five games, you you haven't won.
00:36:47
Adarsh
home in Newcastle.
00:36:51
Tom Goward
let's say Let's say, God forbid that it doesn't happen, but let's say we have we get to City next Sunday, and if we lose that, we haven't won in five games, including the FA Cup game, and then you go suddenly go, hmm, it's a whole different story then.
00:37:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
The other thing that we've got to consider, Adarsh, before we go way ahead to the city game, we just look to the weekend for the Wolves game is that we play on Sunday.
00:37:17
Adarsh
yeah after arsal
00:37:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Arsenal play on Saturday.
00:37:19
Adarsh
yeah
00:37:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
So Arsenal, they're playing against Leicester. you' You've got to, even with Havarts out for the whole season now, you've got to fancy them to go there and have too much for Leicester.
00:37:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
That puts them within four points now. You know, that and ah ah suddenly, all of a sudden, you know, that there is that wolves game does become a bigger game.
00:37:40
Adarsh
Yeah, after Arsenal.
00:37:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
And you can imagine, if we go in at half time, it's nil, nil. That second half is going to be, it's going to be quite nervous, right?
00:37:52
Adarsh
bit edgy.
00:37:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
So they're going to have to be really strong mentally. And I think they just need an emphatic win against wolves on Sunday to get things back on track.
00:38:04
Adarsh
Yeah, i think i I mean, what is the finest margins in football? If ten second ten seconds if that seconds doesn't happen at the game, we're talking um about something completely different. We're talking about you know but yeah it's talking about nine points.
00:38:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Nine points, we're talking about nine points.
00:38:17
Adarsh
We're talking about going into the weekend, no pressure. And then, yeah yeah, I think that's the biggest takeaway I've got. We were so close to a completely different narrative. And like Tom says, next week is a big week.
00:38:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think it is.
00:38:31
Adarsh
I mean, every week seems like a big week. But I think i think in particular, because if I'm not mistaken, we play Villa. I mean, actually play a game. We went from having played a game less that to then be played having played a game more, because Villa game, we're played because we'll be in the Karabakh Cup.
00:38:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:38:48
Adarsh
So that kind of, as well, puts a bit of pressure. We don't get a result from there. Then we've played a game extra. And yeah, just that's where I'm having a few question marks.
00:38:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:38:58
Adarsh
But I think Wolves is a good game, like Tom said.
00:38:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:39:00
Adarsh
I think we we can definitely bounce back and hopefully get back on track, I'll tell you.
00:39:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Fine margins as well. I definitely need to lie down now. But thanks to to Tom and Adash. That's all for today. Give us a follow on your preferred podcast platform so that you get the very latest content.
00:39:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
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