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Aliens 68 - The Great Pseudo Archaeology Quiz
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In this extraordinary episode I'm going head to head with Mark, or as he is better known, Archaeosoup. Who is the most knowledgeable regarding pseudo-archaeology? Only one can emerge victorious from this battle!
The quiz was created and hosted initially by the very gracious Michelle Franklin. Links to both Michelle and Mark are found here below.
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Introduction to the Podcast and Special Episode
00:00:00
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You're listening to the Archaeology Podcast Network.
00:00:19
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Welcome to Digging up Ancient Aliens. This is the podcast where we examine strange claims about alternative history and ancient aliens in popular media. Do their claims hold water to an archaeologist or are there better explanations out there? We are now on episode 68 and I am Fredrik, your guide into the world of pseudo-archaeology. It's still summer and when this go live, this episode is aired, I will most likely be on a bicycle on the island of Gotland and most likely visiting the medieval week that takes place each year in Wispi. And if you happen to be there, feel free to say hi if you spot me.
Ancient Aliens Quiz Show
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So this episode will be a little bit different because it will actually be a quiz show put together by the amazing Michelle Franklin, originally over at her channel, but it will be re-aired here too. And it will be me as one of the contestants. And I am going to go up against the one and only Mark from Arceosoup.
00:01:29
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maybe most famous for his youtube channel and for making that we don't do dinosaur song links to their stuff will be found in the show notes as usual but um i don't really have much to add to this so sit down and let's see who the victorious person will be in this little Chris and feel free to play along at home and see if you can beat our scores. But before we get into all of that, I want to thank all the patrons that really help put the show together. And if you want to become one of those who support the show, well, I will tell you exactly how and where to go after the show. So just sit down, relax and let's dig into the episode.
00:02:34
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ah Welcome, everyone, to a very special episode. Today, we have two special guests. ah We have Mark from Argevo Soup and Friedrich from Digging Up Ancient Aliens. So this is going to be our Ancient Aliens quiz, ah archaeology myth busting and conspiracy theories. And ah so and I'm already scared. Yes.
00:02:59
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Uh, and so, uh, if you want to play along at home, get yourself a scoreboard, see how many of these you actually know, uh, uh, Mark might have a scoreboard. So, uh, if you, uh, I'll get one now but take tally of how many get right there about 30 questions. Now I'm going to ask these questions as though I am an angry commenter in one of your videos.
Debunking Historical Myths and Legends
00:03:25
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oh wow yes so i do you didn't tell us this this is you can you can have your own uh this way you can have your own green man moment mark like me i didn't agree to this okay there's a lot of death threats i mean okay i'm not upset i'm not this upset i do need to get a pen though that works i'll be like so mark's gonna make the scoreboard to see to see how well you do usually uh for
00:03:53
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ah We joke about this all the time because one of our the the series that we usually do is Are Things Pagan or Christian? So, for example, we just did a Midsummer one, and we talked about... Friedrich, how much do you know about Midsummer?
00:04:09
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Depends. Swedish Midsummer, a bit more. Yes. When do you think that holiday started? Mostly in Christian times. oh so St. John's Day, it was established in the 4th century, but Midsummer, as as the way that you celebrate it in Sweden, was established in 930 AD. A lot of people think that, and for whatever reason, that this is a very ancient holiday. and The bonfires had ancient connections, but pretty much everything else that's part of this holiday was early medieval. and In some cases, depending on where you are in Europe, it's late medieval.
00:04:51
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ah a lot of it stemming from the changing of the calendars, switching celebrations from May Day to ah to now, also other holidays that were around this time that got completed with Midsummer, et cetera. ah So a lot of people who think, oh, this holiday is pagan, oh, this holiday is Christian. Actually, it's kind of neither. It just came out of like folk. And so that's what as so that's what we do is i may I make all these quizzes about certain holiday customs and historical things that people think have to be ancient or they have to be Christian. And then we discover actually, no, they're neither. they're They're just folk customs that arose from certain either areas or time periods. And they just became popular for whatever reason as a thing for people to do. So people like to party. It's not that strange really. yeah Exactly. I mean, especially, you know, people say things like, oh, Christmas, Christmas is pagan. You just go, well,
00:05:46
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It's the most, but if if you're thinking of it in the northern hemisphere, it's the most boring in the dark time of year and the ground is frozen. So people need something to do for two for you know two months when they can't really do anything. and So ah anyway, there's there's your little ear little snippet of of what we usually do, how we infuriate people on this show. All right, so what what do we got Mark? We have, oh me, I'm not the Franklinator this time. like I cant couldn't fit it in. But also really I really appreciate that Frederick it's not frederique but frederique so yeah like one fewer letters but i like it it fits nicely um yeah but when the brids get that wrong wrong i get interesting spellings from many brids well no no no no no sorry
00:06:35
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many English people. Yes. but mark Mark likes to to make everybody very aware that he is not English. Yes. Which infuriates English, which is kind of fun. yeah So we have about 30 questions. We'll see you again if if you can get all the way through these and Mark will tally but you can keep your own tally. one with how well I'll do my best. yeah of how well you're doing ah So question one. Why don't archaeologists believe Graham Hancock when he says that Atlantis was real?
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Well, because, I mean, Plato used allegories. I mean, nobody goes out and look for the cave in the Republic, for example. There's nobody out around there. We need to free these people sitting, staring it at the cave. Where is this rescue mission? I mean, If we don't see that, why would we believe Atlantis? But yeah, I spent an hour covered in an episode, and really covered ah allegory. But the short answer is because it was ah made up a plot point from an unfinished story. and He meant to finish it, but he kind of just ends with sentence. So if you read Kritas and
00:08:00
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time is, it just abruptly ends mid-sentence and just nothing happens. Yeah, it's amazing how Finnegan's Wake ends mid-sentence and nobody thinks that's a real real story. And even Aristotle, Aristotle said that Plato made it up. It wasn't, it wasn't real. yeah So why is it, why is it not only that, but people forgot about Atlantis for ah hundreds of years. So why is there such a resurgence to either of you know, it's a compelling story. It's very racist answer. Do you know? yeah i'm i'm i'm I'm going to say. Oh, very good, Mark. 10 on 10. So when,
00:08:47
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ah When ah the Americas were, air quotes, discovered, um there were quite a few people who had said things like, oh, it's
Ancient Structures and Alien Theories
00:08:56
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there's Atlantis, there's the lost city of Atlantis. And again, it became this whole like, oh, we we were once this great civilization and now we're not, and see, there's Atlantis, et cetera. So it became it suddenly became a very um popular thing because of the ah the sudden discovery of, and then it was, again, it was used as an excuse to, part of the excuse to go over there and and take their resources. There was also the whole thing, mm-hmm. Also, are you gonna mention the Cumbro di? Yeah, go ahead, Mark, what is it?
00:09:33
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Well, well, previously when we spoke, I wasn't sure if you were going to do this and hence I didn't want to, you know, get it like a rock. Uh, but yeah, the idea that, that, that native Americans were, were the black Welsh and somehow that, that gave the English, uh, a right to be in North America was, yeah, it was, was prominent. It's also interesting as well. Cause I think the thing, the thing about, uh, um, Oh, this whole thing is just its just so disappointing, isn't it? Because as as as Frederick quite rightly says, you know, other people can handle that being metaphorical.
00:10:15
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a talking point, you know, an effect, a sort of a philosophical machine, which is used to highlight something. And yet for some reason, um Atlantis persists. And so, yeah, it's it's it's disappointing, but it is, yeah, it is nonetheless a thing. All right. Give both of yourselves a point. yeah Question two. If ley lines are real, why won't archaeologists just acknowledge them?
00:10:47
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ah You said this would happen, didn't you? You said, this yeah it's listen, I had, I had a four minute rant about the green man. This is now your time. Okay. Mark may have a four minute rant about the green man, so he could make a QR code about it. and And so anytime somebody said that the green man is a pagan God, he would go, listen to me. Fuck my life. Um, so.
00:11:16
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Sorry, Frederick, I don't mean to over talk here. ah There's been some research shown that's very, very interesting. Some research done in London that highlighted the yeah ah relationship between pizza outlets. It was in the mid-90s. Of course, this would have changed, but the effect won't have changed because it's fucking random. um And so much as in London, if he drew a line from one pizza store to another, and then through another, you would get these things that appear to be significant lines of interest. Aliens did it, Mark. They wanted us to have pizza. no i mean that And even you have a dinosaur hat on, Michelle. You're not even an alien man. I'm one of the retilians, don't you?
00:12:02
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Oh, I see. you Remember the Royal family. ah No, so sorry. so So to be less, less ah angry. um
00:12:11
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I could draw a line between any two things that I named. and any three new things that I named, and that and it would be a straight line. It just happens. It just happens, and it's a thing that happens, and people love to imagine that there's, so do you know what really annoyed, the most, the thing that most annoys me most here is that like a couple of years, a few years ago now, Radiohead did a, they appeared on Glastonbury. They were headlining Saturday night. And Tom York, this is the moment I stopped being a Radiohead fan. Tom York turned up and he goes,
00:12:45
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I don't know. I think it's really significant that apparently the stage is known now on on a lay line apparently. Yeah, it's really significant. And I i literally was shouting the TV. No, Tom, no.
00:13:00
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like What do you mean? You just read the old straight track. It makes perfect sense. But comparing that to like, I mean, obviously really had other work is like, you know, a bit weird, but comparing that to even like a couple years of years, was it the year before even? Coldplay did like the post-Brexit performance about like how despite the results, humans are cool and we're all going to be loving. You know, there was none of this so like weird. He didn't talk to the crowd. He just came came out with this, this, this layline bullshit and, uh, and it angered me. Uh, I'm going to shut up now.
00:13:33
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fred where is gone from Uh, yeah, that's what I find a little bit in a lot interesting. Um, a little bit amusing maybe, but, uh, the lay line as we know them is from, of course, Alfred Watkins who, uh, published his book in 1922, I think. And now the name of it alludes me, but the old straight track is the book. Yeah. yeah There's also an earlier author talking about a Leyland concept named the Joseph Houton Spencer, who wrote his ah article, Ancient Trackways of England, that basically
00:14:17
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tells the exact same thing as Botkins, but 30 years earlier, I think it was in 1889 or something like that, he published that, but they seem to not have been aware of each other at any point. But there's two of these theories, but Leylons was the one that stuck in people's imaginations that these ancient primitive people needed a hill to walk on so they just took up straight lines in the countryside as you do as you're hiking. I don't know if any of you are hiking but you always go up and healing is walking a straight line because other things aren't efficient.
00:14:55
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But yeah, you just go a straight line and there we have the lay line concept. And then other people start to add these weird metaphysical claims about them that there's alien connection. The worst thing I saw is that ancient aliens came to ah Denmark. and built Viking fortresses, because they're circular, the Treleboreal. And that those are connected in a straight line. If you kind of blur it a little bit, and they pass through each other. If you, you know, have a margin of 100 kilometers or so. But then it also connects to Delphi.
00:15:40
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in Greece. Yeah. Yeah. Great line, except it don't. It doesn't. No, it doesn't. So so what why does this persist? And you can't get these Trelebores to connect with Alpha or Egypt for that matter. and But the yeah, because the aliens and travel from the Greece and taught them. And then in the winter they went to Scandinavia because we all travel to Scandinavia in the winter and teach the Scandinavians, except the culture, you know, differ from each other by a couple, 1,000 year or so. So yeah.
00:16:24
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yeah It seems like a lot of this persisted because of the 1960s, the American metaphysical movement, ah the the Earth mysteries movement in particular in 1961. Another by the name of Tony Wedd was the one who started this whole thing with the with
Cultural Misconceptions and Realities
00:16:42
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aliens. and my My question to him is, if the aliens needed hills to land on, like why why would you bother making ley lines? like the Straight lines don't matter to aliens. They have spaceships. How have you seen the most recent, the most recent discovered animal in the Nazca lines set? It's the most derpy looking cat you've ever seen. It's like, it's not it's not remotely, there's no sense from the sky at all. It's like, oh,
00:17:13
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ah right yeah and i oh sorry. come anyway i i' You were right, Michelle. I told you, listen, I had, I had my green man moment. I never thought I'd be baited on this. And yeah, here I am just, just, you know, simmering away. Yeah. Oh, so give yourselves by the point where we're just getting started. So question number three, okay. Where is Robin Hood buried? that so Mark is out.
00:17:46
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like good Time for Mark tapping out. 20 minutes.
00:17:51
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ah i should i hate it's but I should say I've had a difficult day. Michelle knows this. Yes. so we're we Where is he said to be buried? i' so I'll say it that way. Where is he said to be buried? I have to admit I have no idea except from what's in Disney's Robin Hood version. on I mention this because this has become a very big point of contention, because apparently his grave, air quotes, is in Kirkley's park estate in West Yorkshire, ah near the now ruined Kirkley's piry. But I mean, obviously, Robin is not really buried there. ah It's a fake grave. That's it.
00:18:30
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How do we know? Oh, because I mean, they've they've done studies on it. It's a fake grave that as well. Uh, so they put up, yes, because the monument that was put up to him is written in it's fake old English. It's like ye old grave is here. It's the worst translated thing you've ever seen. And it was put up probably to, to for, uh, to make money for people to come see it. But now it's been encircled by private property, so you can't go there. And so it's constantly comes up in the news how people are like, oh, we're trying to visit Robin Hood's grave. And the person who owns the property goes,
00:19:04
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It's not real. You need to stop. Historian Maurice Ken ah describes the the inscription that they made as clearly spurious, observing that the language in which it was written is completely bogus old English. It's not real. Although just to insert a little bit of like actual learning here. um
00:19:25
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ah ye Yes, it does come from actual things, isn't it? Yes, yeah exactly. sure the The printed 16th century version of but of the fawn was a Y, it was a T-H. say yeah So ah would that be ironically yield even? Oh, I think so. I think it was done. Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah. Okay. ah
00:19:52
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So not neither one of you knew where he was quote unquote married. No, there's a lot of those fantasy graves out there. Oh, we're getting to it. Oh, bad galettes man. Bad galettes. Speaking of fantasy graves, why do archaeologists think that King Arthur is not buried at Glastonbury when we have his body?
00:20:23
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Sorry, what? Why do archaeologists say that King Arthur is not wearing a Glastonbury when we have his body? How do you know it's King Arthur's body? Yes! Exactly! Because it's not his frickin' body. we know that and We know that the months at Glastonbury made it up. They made it up after the Abbey bird down. oh and so much pay ah okay fred that's a point three on On the 24th of May, 1184, there was a devastating fire that swept through the abbey, William of Momsbury. He even wrote it! in the 1120s he talks about how the old church containing all the relics and the reliquaries just completely were destroyed and the monks urgently needed funds to rebuild the abbey and so they made a miraculous discovery air quotes of the graves of King Arthur and Queen Guinevere only a few years after the fire ah provided a very welcome source of income
00:21:27
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And when arche archaeologists actually did look at the ah the two bodies, one of them was said to have light-colored hair, clearly Guinevere, of course, and and the the body of the man was said to be very large and warrior-like. uh good of course of course yeah of course it's them i mean it sounds like the turin shroud also just appearing when somebody needs money something that seems to go around with these red lakes sometimes yeah well the turin shroud is uh is another one i mean there's uh there's a lot of um fakes that go around in the middle ages which we will all get to
00:22:08
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There's literally an artist who was interviewed by a bishop who says, I made the German shroud.
Medieval Myths and Modern Misunderstandings
00:22:15
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Yes. like say yeah and And still the Vatican says, Oh, it's an icon of faith for many people. Um, that's grand. That's fine. It doesn't mean it's real. Like, but any, sorry, i' ah Michelle, you're doing such a good job tonight. and Next question. If the aliens didn't make the pyramids, how come they match the pyramids in Mexico?
00:22:40
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oh did don't mark is yeah collapse in but but but you haven't hurt himself as much as i've have apparently
00:22:53
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go go ahead fred fred a ri fred week so yeah Yeah. I mean, they they they don't look at each other and they have completely different building methods, structure, materials. I mean, and so yeah they're not even used for the same thing. The pyramids in in in Mexico are temples and the ones in Egypt are tombs. Yeah. Now there are two pyramids in Mexico that also serves as tomb, but the main function seems to have a religious function. Same is ancient Egypt. Many of the yeah pyramids are connected to a temple, either that it later develops into a sort of cult as one of the queen ah pyramids around them around the the Giza plateau that became a temple for Isis. You know, later he said, but the original function was a tomb.
00:23:47
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And, but also, but also about there are, there are, there are pyramidal structures on the Yucatan peninsula that have, uh,
00:23:58
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have an interest in observing, you know, they're called observatories. They have an interest in observing the night sky, but they're not the same as those in Egypt. And they're not laid out in the same way. And they have not the same interest, as you say. It's, um, yeah, it's unfortunate, isn't it? But also as well, the the the fact that, I mean, I love alien versus predator. I do. Yeah, it's great. yeah It's a great little film. but um And also there's a fantastic book I have over there that was based on called Prey. But ah it's not a it's not you know it's there's not it's not it's not a basis for a thesis, shall we say. Yeah. I mean, it could be for disproving.
00:24:39
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These kinds of things. Possibly. that best have that said though The fiction is better than the ancient alien stuff. but so yeah I mean, ancient alien is just lazy fiction. They have a good idea that could be very fun and the Assassin's Creed kind of worked quite well. yeah But yeah the your Succolos and Vandana again are just lazy sci-fi writers. Yeah. yeah ah give Give yourself both a point because I think I almost killed each of you. You did. Equally infuriating. ah When did Merlin build Stonehenge?
00:25:20
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Well, he used a levitation gun in about. the Ah, no, no, no. That's how, that's how. When? We have to get everything right here. So yeah when was of course 3000 BC. And then he went over to the, to the pyramids and built those with the same levitation device. And he was a giant and at the same time. oh yeah Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And he was really into Hot Wheels. He was collecting Hot Wheels. And people would be like, it's amazing, these horseless carts. He was like, don't do not ask me questions, more me immortal. Yeah, that's how it went. Yeah. I'm going to give Frederick frederick a point there, actually. Yeah, no, it's ah very obvious that he did a Geoffrey of Monmouth who said that Merlin, he did it. Michelle!
00:26:21
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Jeffrey of Monmouth had no idea how old someone else was. He had no idea.
00:26:27
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and He completely fabricated the story of Merlin. i have Where is he? I have a book here by Jeffrey. what We all do. we all do yeah he He was a dunce.
00:26:40
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He completely fabricated the story of Merlin having the giant help him build Stonehenge. Jeffrey was also not the first person to mention Stonehenge. Henry the Archdeacon of Huntington was in 1130. I mean obviously Druids and ancient peoples knew that The stones were there. That doesn't mean they built them. Nope. Nope. Nope. Yeah. yeah no Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. But the levitation device is a real claim from ancient aliens. Yeah. See, but I want to know what, what, what was it made of? Is it like in, like in Zelda tears of the kingdom where you have like those platforms that you hit and they go who like that. I remember correctly, they had a kind of wand.
00:27:20
Speaker
And therefore Marilyn, who is a magician, is just misunderstood. Okay, but people then wear's where's his womb? He took it with him. get To Avalon, I guess, wherever he went. People in the new world don't get this, Michelle, but we understand. I am, I am, I am a new world Ian with a reptile brain. I have no idea what's going on here. Next question. where so
00:27:51
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Now I'm imagining, uh, uh, Oh, it's in, uh, it's in the last Harry Potter film, isn't it? Where you have, um, Voldemort hovering over. um Dumbledore claiming the ah the elder one. I wonder who next claimed the the hovering stone magic. Oh, Link, of course. Oh, okay. I see. And actually, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, cool. I accept that. That's a point to you. All right. I mean, how else would we get tears of the kingdom or even breath of the wild? Well, I choose the kingdom because he has to get the the ability and to have it. So next question. Okay. Where is the Holy Grail?
00:28:35
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Depends on who you ask. yeah there is a market Mark has his. yeah There it is. No, no, no, they no no, not mine. the the that is the one the The Holy Grail is is in our hearts, unfortunately. yeah It's just just the friends we made along the way. yeah It never existed. Some scholars claim that that the story was taken from an early Celtic tradition of things like magic cauldrons and cups, but actually but that doesn't really seem likely and we it's probably not true.
00:29:10
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um our buddy professor Ronald Hutton says uh that I've seen Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail is definitely in there and that's a documentary yeah the real one yes yes and Indiana Jones and actually actually the Holy Grail was his father that's right wasn't it yeah yeah yeah I think the most fanciful I think about those films uh is the fact that he's a well-preyed archaeology professor with tenure Yeah. but Oh yeah. Yeah. No, that that that's, that's, that's deep fiction. Um, but the, uh, yeah, the whole sort of, yeah. Yeah. Indiana, let it go. And, uh, he turns to his father and you, yeah. That said though, I say that, but as a kid, I mean, I was disappointed. I was like, come on, it's right there. It's right there. You know, put some chewing gum on your hand or something. Just, just.
00:30:01
Speaker
Just take it. Have it. Take it with you, yeah. Have some ambition, the anyway but yeah. so So do either one of you know who who invented it? The Holy Grail? Yeah. Oh, oh.
00:30:19
Speaker
Well, whoever made a cup for Jesus, I would assume. Ah, even before that, even before that. So it's a... Oh, really? Yeah, Cretin de Trois invented the grail, but it was a serving platter because grail, like in old French, is ah is a dish. oh yeah it's not It wasn't a cup originally. um is It was a flat dish that later it it then contains the Eucharistic wafer when things became more Christianized. ah and And Robert de Boulogne, who then made it ah ah the the cup that has from Joseph of Arimathea, who took the the blood of Christ, etc. Well, yeah, unfortunately, and really a fake. Yes. Or as yours, the real one. or here's the yeah I don't know. I don't know. It has got some red felt from the bottom. You know, exactly. It has to be 18th century. Yeah, for sure.
00:31:14
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oh okay So speaking of Indiana Jones, which aliens are responsible for the crystal skulls?
00:31:27
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I forgot that movie in self-defense. I haven't forgotten the movie in Belfast, to be fair, I do count it as canon because there's a nice symmetry with Indy as a boy living with the South African ah have Stop laughing.
00:31:52
Speaker
anneic look yeah was the so i could um ah yeah that They're veterans of the war. They have that thing happening that happened. in But okay. The aliens you're talking about actually are legal aliens and they are probably North American folk with access to some sort of drill. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, there there were so many claims that they were pre-Columbian English.
00:32:26
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there They're attributed to like Aztec of Maya civilizations, but very, very obviously their research ah carried out on the crystal skulls in the British Museum in 1967 and 1996 and in 2004 shows that they are all fakes, at least the ones that they have. yeah They're all, as Mark said, they're either made with jewelers' equipment or rotary tools, drills. um ah their Anna Mitchell Hedges claimed that the skull that she allegedly discovered ah could cause visions and cure cancer.
00:32:59
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and That didn't work out for her. Did she die of cancer? but No, know so that i obviously, you know if you shake it over people's heads. Well, I'm not going to say I'm gutted. That sounds awful. yeah I wish it did. I wish it were real. I wish they were. The thing is that, you know, we we make fun of these things. I really wish they were magical objects that took away disease. It would be so much easier if they were because then we wouldn't have to, you know, spend 20 years doing medical research. I would love to go bibbidi-bobbidi-boo and have everybody's cancer removed. But unfortunately, that's just not how it is.
00:33:37
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um she is She also claims that it caused but the crystal skull caused premonitions and that she predicted the John F Kennedy assassination. And they didn't say anything. That's what I want to know. Did she look into it like and it showed her images or did the skull go, oh he's going to die? Yeah. Yeah. And she went, you know what? Humanity's not ready for this. Yeah. Yeah. And then step back. Yeah. Yeah. And now we're left with, uh, RFK junior and his worm brain. Yeah. we he's He's got his reptile brain, just like me. Uh, so speaking speaking of ancient Mayan culture, was the Mayan civilization established by aliens? No. Yes. Well,
00:34:27
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But why know if they have those elongated skulls? They look pretty. Why no? yeah Why no? Maybe why yes. But their skulls are elongated. They look like aliens, don't they? But the Mayans weren't really famous for the elongated skull that's in Peru in South America. Yeah. but the Not like that, but Mayan people still are still alive today. They still exist. But also, actually, amongst the Mayans, they did have a a sense of beauty that was to do with being cross-eyed. So in the same way that you might strap a skull to create an elongated shape in a youngster, amongst the Mayans, they would actually strap a skull to hang something dangling between the eyes to make the kids sort of focus on it. And then they'd become beautiful by being cross-eyed.
00:35:14
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so there's a connection there, I think. So I don't mean to step all over you there, Frederick. um But it's interesting how, yeah, Peruvian definitely, there was a ah a culture of shaping the skull, wrapping, the binding the skull. ah But interesting enough, amongst the Mayans, cross-eyed-ness was, I think, a similar cranial modification of being a Yeah, but those modifications are even here in Europe, we have either elongated skulls, the Houlouse skull in France, and there's five women on the island of Gotland who has elongated skull during the Viking age. So yeah it's a common practice that don't necessitate aliens. No, no, no. and And also to be fair, in East Anglia, there are elongated skulls and webbed feet to this thing. So yeah.
00:36:07
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You sure those just weren't the kappa people? I mean, that makes sense. I'm being entirely serious.
00:36:19
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Okay, ah next question. If the Antikythera mechanism is proof of a highly advanced society, why won't archaeologists just say so? Do you want to have this one, Frederick? If you ever get to Athens, there's a brilliant museum that goes through all the animatrons from ancient Greece and there's working models and how it works. It's a fancy clock or whatever it was. and
00:36:55
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but From an archaeological point there, ancient ancient Greeks were actually quite crafty when it came to mechanics. They had ah coin-operated the vending machines for holy water. They had ah statues that could serve drinks. They even had small theaters where you could put in a coin and you could watch a show like ah television. Not really, but You had to operate a little bit and there was no sound. ah But yeah, there's, we acknowledged that they were highly advanced. They just don't need aliens, Atlanteans, or, you know, the reptiles from the center of the earth helping them out with this type of thing. So, I mean, it's inventing a thing that we never did.
00:37:48
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Yeah, I mean, they there are other, like you said, there are other mechanisms that are very similar invented by Hellenistic scientists all dated to around like 88, 87 BC. So we we have tons of things like this. They're they're not to the Antikythera mechanism. While it is very cool, it is not alone. And there are, yeah, exactly. And I think people people freak out about it because there are machines you like with similar complexity didn't really appear again that in that way ah until the astronomical clocks.
00:38:24
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Yeah. And and so, you know, so some related things. So there was a, there was a, uh, a festival of automata in Rome, uh, for which some stuff was setting sail from Greece. And we know sank. So we know that some automatons sank in at some point. We also know that that there were temple doors that were rigged to open when you lit the brazier in front of the temple. yeah And the the extent to which people knew this was a ah macette mechanism or that they thought it was godly behavior or ah manifestation is debatable, but the the technology isn't. It's definitely there. And it's it's fascinating how ah
00:39:10
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how, yeah, how people want to take the, possibly even the wording of the existence of the anti-catherian mechanism as being more or less unique in terms of survival as being unique in terms of ah technology. Because I mean, if you think about it, the odds of finding something, the only, you know, astonishingly advanced thing ever to have existed in the classical world or pre-classical world, um depending on how far you want to get push that technology back in a shipwreck is unbelievable. This had to be quite common to be discoverable. and And we also have to remember that it was made out of bronze with a highly recyclable
00:39:54
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material yeah yeah with the cybers. If you were done with your mechanisms or it broke, you'd sell it scrap, melt it down and re-cycle it, meaning that less of it survives, there are days. But if a bunch of it sings, the likelihood of it surviving is relatively slim that they do survive but we know that they did and we have text describing them and all of that and as you say with the temples I mean would some think that this was some act of God that they put their offering on the altar burnt it and as they burned it opened showing the God I mean some it would have been a quite
00:40:38
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I mean, experience, we go and get those experience on, I mean, amusement parks and everything like that. They are connected to a really religious experience. And they might have known that, oh, it's a mechanism. If I like this, the water besides evaporates. And then when it cools down, it's pushing the gates open. Then when it cools down, it close. But it doesn't take away from their experience in that moment, in that sense. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess it's the nature of the transaction, isn't it? I suppose. Yeah. Because people today pay to be thrilled on a roller coaster. You know, you could call that a transcendental experience if you wanted to. And if someone was saying this is, you know, the god of death, freaking the hell out of you before, you know, and not quite killing you, then you might want to enjoy that. What do you mean, haven't both of you been to the Ark Museum?
00:41:39
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oh yeah uh yeah yeah is that is that where you got your uh your uh yeah they gave it to me on the way out yeah all right please leave yeah they see me and they go uh oh yeah i walk in and i go it's okay i know more than you
00:42:00
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It's not really that hard at the org encounters I've understood. i love I love how they build those things, but they don't even follow the very exact specifications that are given in the in the text. I think it's funny. um Next question. Convenient. Yes, yes, very. So yes, when they when they go, but wait a minute, if I follow the specifications, it would make like a small round coracle. That's not very exciting. And so they just they go, we can't use bitumen because that's cancerous. you go Well, i I don't know ah they that it's not historically accurate. That's sorry, guys, I'm not paying for this. Next question. Why did the Romans have so many rooms for vomiting?
00:42:47
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Because without it, it's not really a party.
00:42:53
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this is See, that's that's the logical answer. But this is this is something that a lot of people get wrong, they that they have tons of vomitoriums, but a vomitorium is not for vomiting. That's a linguistic phenomenon that we use. And the Latin word for vomitorium just means like a place to spew forth from or like ah an an exit hall, which we still use today for amphitheaters and concerts and things like that. The vomitoria were designed to provide like a rapid place for people to and large crowds to lead amphitheaters. And they have nothing to do with vomiting, unlike the way that other people might have thought. Well, that explains why I'm not welcome back at Pompeii.
00:43:38
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That's okay. I think, I think the volcano took care of that for me. Yeah, that that's Frederick's nickname, the volcano. He just showed up. Yeah, we've never seen the exorcist. Yeah.
00:43:54
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Just start spinning around. yeah yeah that's it here Here's one you'll both get, okay? How did the Sphinx lose its nose? Oh no, it was Napoleon using it for target practice. Fact. that's Thanks, Martin Scorsese. No, no obviously, obviously, no, despite what some popular films might have, you'd think it was not shot off by Napoleon because it was already missing when Napoleon went to Egypt. We know this, ah the Arab historian, Al-Markaziv wrote in the 15th century that the nose was already gone. It was
00:44:33
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gone, probably destroyed by a Sufi Muslim ah named Mohammed Sa'im Alda here. In 1378 CE, Egyptian peasants made offerings to the Sphinx in hope of controlling the flood cycle, ah which obviously would then result in, I guess, a successful harvest. And outraged by people doing this, Sa'im destroyed the nose, or at least it says so that he did it as an act of defiance, and as a way to vandalize their good, something that they venerated. ah Whether or not that's fact, we have to take the method of word because we don't know. But do you know where this thing's beard is?
00:45:17
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is at the Egyptian Museum and part of it is of course in the British Museum. But we actually have the beard. yeah So it would have had a nose and then it would have had this traditional Asian beard. It also had these shin straps if you look really close but due to the poor quality of the limestone the beard seems to have fallen off at one point. But you can see parts of it in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo and if you don't want to go to Egypt, you can go as usual to the British museum that has everything. Now, come on, come on now, Frederick. I i am just as happy to bitch and moan about the BM as anyone else.
00:45:57
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But I also know a lot of people who work there and who take genuine care of those, uh, those, uh, those artifacts. yes the the artifacts they see Yeah. And while we are talking about the BN and perhaps for example, laundered materials, such as the, you know, the Parthenon marbles. um We should also mention Berlin and New York and Paris and so many other places that have this material. I'm only saying this because I think other people would be watching this. And in that sense, I'm not a rabid nationalist in that sense, but I do feel as though the BM
00:46:41
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gets a really bad rep for what was actually common practice across the other. And and and ah it also doesn't help itself, but not least because the um the board of the BM is appointed but politically point appointed broadly speaking by the by number 10, Downing Street. And so there are issues of using the BM as a stable rattling um exercise. But I promise you, the people who work there, apart from obviously the guy who sells stuff sold stuff on eBay. Oh, I forgot about that. ah he did Oh, God. i did do what But what's really funny there is that when I pointed this out to people as being, you know, do you realize how seriously damaged, if I was Greek, I'd be like,
00:47:28
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Your people are selling our stuff on eBay. What are you doing? Um, it's amazing how people within link with the BM and in the British archeological establishment were really quick to say, Oh, that's just one person. And I was very quick to say, doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. it's yeah one person But but it's it's, it's interesting how the BM is, his character, it has this sort of wax mustache, villainous. Uh, reputation. Whereas, you know, things like, for example, the Rosetta stone were claimed by France. And then, uh, you know, Napoleon and then fell into British hands and, and, uh, I dunno, I, it's difficult. I'm not saying we should British Britain should keep that stuff.
00:48:11
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But Britain isn't the only offender, and it's not necessarily. Definitely not. As somebody who grew up going to the Metropolitan Museum of Art many, many, many times, I can tell you that you you walk into that Egyptian section and you go, this was airlifted. Absolutely. They have a whole, literally a whole tomb in there that you can just walk in and you just go, how did you guys get this out of Egypt? Is that okay? I mean, here yeah people pay for this. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's grim. ah Speaking of ah um certain organizations, I was going to use a different word. If aliens didn't establish the church,
00:48:58
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Why are there astronauts and aliens carved into cathedrals?
00:49:07
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like but going
00:49:14
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But we all know that it's the Freemasons. oh Oh yes, you're right. Completely forgot to mention them. Thank you.
00:49:24
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But they are more prevalent in the medieval art with their lasers and the flying disk and all of that, you know, because they um we all always have to leave very crude clues to when we try to hide something. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's the way it goes. Yeah. No, they often have hiding something if you can't like leave a crude clue. Yeah. Yeah. Just to screw people up. Thanks, Dan Brown. um the the The astronaut that sculpted into the facade of the ah Cathedral of Salamanca, ah because the Cathedral was built in 1513, but the astronaut, the Spanish national media and other cultural like tourism websites, and the astronaut was added in 1992 to replace one that had broken, like a piece that had broken off.
00:50:12
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And the alien- The xenomorph in Glasgow, I think. It's Paisley, the alien of Paisley. It was added to the church in 1991 for the same exact reason that the old piece had broken off and they just decided to put something new that was exciting ah there to represent modern culture. But people who see it, they go, and they think it's it's modern it's not a modern piece. It's obviously a modern piece, Christ. I won't lie. You had me, you had me at aliens founding the church. Uh, yeah, I mean, I'm stuck. im so it's
00:50:53
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the saes cre said so
00:50:57
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but but but That's precursory humans. At least that's like, at the very least they're terrestrial beings. Like bloody hell. And it was so gone. yeah but ah speaking Speaking of the church, whose skull is on display in the tomb of St. Max in Basilica, if not the real Mary Magdalene?
00:51:20
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This is a cool like death metal gold statue with the black skull in it. Yeah, I mean probably some random person. Correct. Yeah, it's I mean in 1974 there was a study that was done ah to show that the skull does belong to a woman in her 50s, possibly from the Mediterranean region, but the church will not allow it to be carbon dated, so... No, they learn from the tauren shroud that you don't carbon date people, things that... yeah As I say, that was a church investigation. The Catholic Church itself has been has established a church out is an artistic homage.
00:51:57
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yeah and in medieval but But actually, it ah when I went to, I was lucky enough to go to Rome and ah the Vatican um ah in my, ah just before I went to university, actually, it was one of these weird times when you get a last minute plane ticket for 50p. Genuinely, it was crazy. ah So ah we went over there, me and my then girlfriend, ah staying with someone who I just about met ah from Italy. We went from Lacquilla to Rome and had a fantastic time.
00:52:33
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And we went down into into the ah the Vatican and i said and so and he said, Mark, Mark, these are the remains of Saint Peter.
00:52:45
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you have to you have to build oh It's amazing. And we're in this sort of hall of, apparently it's just been recently reordered, actually the remains of various Popes. ah John Paul had organized this apparently, or at the very least said to you know said it it must happen. um And I said, oh, okay, cool. um Have they DNA tested it? See if it's, you know, from the Middle East. And um and he goes, no, don't be still. No, no, no, don't be still.
00:53:18
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And he was I love him. Francesco is an amazing man. And um and as we actually was as we were leaving the building, I sort of said to him, so do you think that this is at the heart of what you believe ah yeah the person of of of Christ was was hoping for in religion? And he goes, no, definitely not. And I was like, you know what? I can respect that. that's But it it was it was interesting how yeah there was not even the pretense of of wanting to know whose bones they were. What mattered was believing that they were. yeah That's really the point of relics. yeah They're all fixed, but it's the it's to foster the belief. That's what it is.
00:54:02
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's enough, uh, through, uh, pieces of the cross that would be able but to build a boat or whatever that. all Yeah, exactly. yeah Yes. Hey, Viking funeral. Nice. Loads him out onto the get onto the sea of Galilee. Perfect. Um, okay. So, uh, why are there so many medieval torture devices?
00:54:30
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because they were barbarians, of course. of Of course. Yes, exactly. Yeah. No way at all. i say that But also there was no internet connection or TV. Yeah. They needed something to do, you know, some torturing doing, but the yeah, most of them are later yeah creations by people who want to paint the medieval person as this barbaric witch burner who, and you know, strap people in the iron run maiden and yeah What? The Iron Maiden's not real, but the band is so cool.
00:55:05
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The, um, uh, I, this is a place called Chillingham Castle, um, about an hour north of here. And Chillingham Castle has, ah we went there once to see a herd of cows, cattle rather, that's a relatively isolated. So they've somewhat reverted to being, you know, they're not all rocks. We're not remotely, but they yeah they somewhat reverted to being something akin to like a proto cattle. And ah then we went to the castle and going around the castle, there's all this really weird stuff. So in the upper floors, what was basically the families like,
00:55:41
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I don't know, a junk drawer laid bare over the course of three rooms, uh, included things like, you know, ah so so this is my, this is my jacket. they there someone The guy had handwritten the notes. This is my jacket from, you know, when I went to Ethan, can you imagine someone thought I was going to Winchester? um Yeah. That kind of thing. You're like, I don't, I don't relate to this. Um, and, uh, and, uh, it was, it was only later that I realized that this was associated with a guy called Dominic Cummings. Now folks, the home who British me will know that name. Um, but this was Dominic Cummings, his father in law's castle.
00:56:19
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Um, essentially the architect of Brexit, shall we say, uh, complete arse. So was it, was it full of fakes? Is it full of? and No, it did no, no, no. It was literally, it was the family's just junk. It was just junk, but you had all these people going, Oh, this is so cool. This is literally junk. This is why. But then we went downstairs. This is why I'm thinking of this. We went downstairs and they had this the torture chamber, labeled torture chamber. there but And they had things like barrels with spikes inside and they had all this other stuff. And um and it and it's it's is precisely as you say, Frederic, it's this thing of
00:56:56
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uh, none of it was, harry so ba you know, no iron maidens chastity belts. They're all fakes. Unfortunately, even the pair, though, the, the, the pair of the people said that, uh, Oh, they, they inserted this into the fundament and like, yeah the springs are so weak. It actually doesn't open when you, you try it. Let me try this. I do not know on what mechanism they've tried it, but they have tried it and it doesn't it doesn't actually open at all. um no The only thing that we know was real ah was the rack, obviously, ah but that's about it. and now And now we use it as a medical facility. Now people who have like ah like spine damage, they actually put them on the rack and they obviously they don't sit there and turn the crank.
00:57:43
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but you know they'll they'll put it up a little bit and then let the spine relax and then they keep doing it that way. But also though, typically though, the operator is called Eagle for the most part. Someone comes in and goes, yes master! And we'll turn the rack. And the song goes, oh my back. Oh, that feels amazing. and I've just taken out one year of your life. How do you feel? like like but but Oh, so speaking speaking of fakes, Or not. ah Is the sword and the stone at Tuscany's Montesepi Chapel the real Excalibur?
00:58:25
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Of course. Because we all know King Arthur was in Italy. yeah yes he isn it you know What most famous for you know the Yes, King Arthur's Pizza. yeah it's not obviously no It's not Arthur's sword, ah but there's an interesting story about it. so First of all, the sword and the stone at Excalibur are not the same sword, even in the legends. People think that the sword and the stone becomes Excalibur, but no, not at all.
00:58:56
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um In the legends, Sword and the Stone and Excalibur, they show up at different times and the Sword and the Stone was made up by Robert de Borrow. The sword of the abbey, though, is ah claimed to belong to Saint Gargano. And while the sword is consider was considered to be a fake for years, recent studies i have shown that ah the sword, the dating results, as well as the metal and the style of the sword are all consistent with ah late 1100s. So even though the sword didn't obviously belong to Arthur, it is a real sword from that time. Now, did it belong to the saint? No, probably not. ah It's impossible, obviously, to verify the sword's legendary history,
00:59:40
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but it does match up with the sates timeline. Did he actually have it? and But it's it is a real sword and it is a real stone. It's just not, it's not Arthur. So did it inspire the sword in the stone? Who knows? I mean, maybe, I don't think Robert Goral went to Italy, ah but no, anyway. i did hear I did hear when I worked it at the Orvick Viking Center, I did hear someone one year during the Viking Festival turn up and say, oh, did you know, like gather round children, did you know that the vi that the sword and the stone is based on the practice of ah fair ah you know forging metal and then molding it into the shape of a blade using the hollow of a stone.
01:00:25
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um
01:00:29
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You know, lots of people were quite drunk that night. That is, that is a common theory that people believe the the biggest problem. No, no one took it seriously. It is. It is true that that Bronze Age swords in certain places were made that way, but um there's no coinage as well. Yeah. Iron Age coinage. Yeah. Hmm. But, the yeah.
01:00:53
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Next, we only have a few questions left. So, why won't, I think actually, ah Frederick did a video on this ah recently, why won't archaeologists just admit that the rock Moses hit to bring forth the water is the rocket Redifim in Horeb in Saudi Arabia? I've not covered this.
01:01:17
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I did talk about the stone in Saudi Arabia but not connected to Moses as far as I could understand it. I don't remember how they got it to be alien stone. No no no no no no no no it's because the the plumbing Doesn't go to that stone. That's the thing. So the pipe that, that clearly was one sucking out the red sea, uh, goes to a different stone. It's more up the road, but it's in someone's garden. And so when people turn up and they want to get, they go, can we see this? Then they go, they go, no, you cannot see the stone or you can, but for, you know,
01:02:03
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50,000 euro. I don't know why they're charging euro. and that so now i go the right to the free The grooves in the rock are not because people said, oh, look, here's where the he hit the rock. And here's what he's putting. No, the grooves in the rock are not water. I can't take you seriously. I can't take you seriously on that. I'm sorry. it obviously the striations are caused by like glacial flow. The rock is a glacial erratic deposit that was never physically struck. Where erratic deposit, that's a nice word, isn't it? That is, yeah, that's what it does now it is. No, it was because people are like, oh look, it's up at the top of the mountain and there's all this stuff. No, it's a glacial deposit.
01:02:44
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um as keep keeping on the theme If archaeologists have been working on the site in Kiryat Yarim, why won't they show us the Ark of the Covenant? This is the famed place where I last saw the Ark, whoever those people were, and so they've been doing a lot of work in Kiryat Yarim for quite a while. Well, the thing is, last time it was actually seen people's faces melted. We need to, you know, we need to be very careful with it. And, um,
01:03:19
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if Frederick, you want to take a go at this one? Do you know? Yeah, because the arc of the covenant is in a zoom, of course. Ah, very good. Well, is in Aksum, is in Aksum. Yes, but very good. It could also be in Ethiopia, couldn't it? That is where Aksum is. yeah i'm sorry you fear yeah
01:03:45
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That's it is. yeah and well I mean, bit biblically speaking, in the art the ark was long gone by the time of the first temple ah in the biblical narrative. it Obviously, it's the most important object for 500 years, and then it just completely vanishes in 586 BC, when the Bukhat Natsar, when he sacks the first temple, he doesn't mention it at all. He's like, whatever, it just destroyed all this stuff. And even in the but in the Babylonian records, when he talks about the things that he took from the temple, the ark is not mentioned. And you would think that if it was the most important thing ever made out of acacia wood and gold, and it was so important to these people that he would have taken it, or that he would have burnt it, or he went, haha, I took the
01:04:27
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there is no word. there It was in Shiloh or Shiloh for a very long time. something Yeah. I mean, and it we know that Shiloh or Shiloh is an ancient cultic site. There's plenty of archaeological evidence there, but there's no, like that the the arkism take it to a place called Beit Shemesh and then to Kiryarim. But again, there's we have there's a huge archaeological site there. absolutely no evidence of the Ark there or ever ever having been there ah scholars believe it's my yeah ah because it's but the location is mentioned in the copper plate mm-hmm in the Dead Sea Scroll
01:05:06
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, I mean, there, it could, and not only that, but I mean, the arc could have disappeared at any time during that time. There were Egyptian invasions, Syrian invasions, either in a religious forms with King Hezekiah and King Josiah. And both of them were like, we don't want this thing here anymore. So did it represent, yeah, why did it represent? i We have no clue. And so are they, do you think that that that the idea is they don't want this here anymore because people want to come and get it? Um, I think it actually really had to do with the religious reform because, uh, and they start talking about when the second temple is being built. Uh, and I think it's Jeremiah or Yermea who starts saying, Oh, should we, should we rebuild at the arc of the covenant suggesting that either it was burnt down, destroyed, or it's just gone.
01:05:53
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And he says, no. They say, no, I don't think that's a good idea. And i it also so whether it represented ah religious reform, whether it represented a God that they no longer kept, it did it represent El, did it represent Yahweh, we have no no idea. And as Frederick said, there was ah the late story that it was secreted away first to Yemen, and that it was rebuilt. And then at the and then another part of this legend says that it was the Queen of Sheba, who because it's possibly that possibly Saba was Sheba, and that the Queen of Sheba, when she came, she and Solomon had a secret son together. And so the secret son came away with the real arc
01:06:35
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one yeah put it at exo And then that the fake one was rich, which is in Ethiopia. Yes. so yeah The problem with that story is, uh, that, that story was made up in the 14th century. Oh, ah sorry. I know he had you going like a knife to the heart. Okay. Fair enough. Uh, so here's, here's one for you. Mark is the stone of scone real or fake.
01:07:05
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First of all, we need to, we need to clarify something scone is not how you say scone. Sorry. it's good No, no, it is gone. Mary Berry has been very clear on this. ah Mary Berry is a Southerner and has no opinion in this. Okay. No, nobody. See, that's the thing. It is people from the south of England who say scone of Nena. So scone is actually a northern thing. Scone is a northern thing, but if you're at school... and based of stos scope Yeah, okay. Is it real or fake, Mark? You liar. tend to Answer that damn question.
01:07:43
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um The question. yeah well
01:07:51
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I'm just wondering, do you put jam or cream on it first? um we Excuse me. Don't bring that here. Okay. We don't need that conversation. The answer, the answer first of all is jam. Okay. Jam first. Don't, don't talk to me like that. You don't, you don't, you don't talk about that in this friendship.
01:08:14
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Actually, you know what I do? I cut i cut them in half and then I put jam on one side and cream on the other. Just to avert all problems. Yeah, that's the answer. That's the way to do it. But is the start of scone real or fake one? I'm going to tell you a little story. When I was at yeah at the Olympic Lightning Center, when I worked there, Did you work at the organizing center? I did, I did. When I worked there, you'd always have these kids coming up and they'd say things like, um is that sword real? And they wouldn't just say, is that sword real? What they do is they grab the sword.
01:08:50
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of that. Is that real? And I'd be like, if it was real, you'd have lost your fingers by now. Um, so I think, but then also then I'd mess with them and say it's real in the sense that you can touch it. So I think that the stone of scones, scone, scone, scone, the stone of skin is in fact real in the sense that you can touch it.
01:09:16
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but yeah final answer fred fredrick do you have anything Do you have anything to say all about that? yeah i mean I can do a very semi-racist Scottish impression. but
01:09:36
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I think we should avoid that. But the I think Mark put it very nicely that that the there's a stone named Scone. and I need to sample that, put it into a song. and so names go but like There's actually a comedy podcast that's riffing three minutes on your, because the stone is gone in a fake Scottish accent. I can try to send it to you because I think you would enjoy it, but they, yeah. I already did it.
01:10:13
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ah Well, whether it is real or not, we actually don't know. um the it In 1296 it's claimed that King Edward I of England captured it ah during his invasion of Scotland, ah but we don't know that. ah they And they claim that the stone was used for centuries, for for ah in the coronation of monarchs for 15 years, but we don't know that. And there's also a legend that the real Stone of Destiny or the Leopold in Ireland ah is the original stone that was moved there and then that it was moved back. In the Labor of Gebal and the Hadron, there's also ah the stone that claims to be brought by the Tuadea, or the Tuadead Anon, as one of the four great treasures. Others claim that it was brought from Scotland to Ireland or that during the Kingdom of Dalryada it was brought back and forth as well. Historian William Forbes ah says that it's kind of remarkable that while the Scottish legend brings the stone at Scone from Ireland, the Irish legend brings the stone ah the other way around.
01:11:19
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We have no idea. Like I said, in 1296, during the the Scottish War of Independence, ah King Edward I took the stone, claimed to take the stone, as some of the spoils of war, and removed it to Westminster Abbey. So are you saying that the but the stone of scone was gone? It was gone, yeah, exactly. it was yeah Stone or scone? It's gone. Yeah, yeah but ro rhyme it all, kids. Rhyme it all. I love it. um But there's also, um ah the there was some i study done on the Westminster stone and saying that the the monks at Scone Palace hid the real stone ah ah in the River Tay or buried it at Dunsinane Hill.
01:12:08
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Again, we do not know. um Some proponents of this theory claim that historic descriptions of the stone don't match the present one, so we have no idea. Sorry, kids.
01:12:29
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Here's one for you, Frederick, which I know. Brian's you are gears so hard. Why won't archaeologists just admit that the Vikings had tattoos? Oh, sorry. Yeah, while Mark is recovering. I mean, it is a topic that's kind of well understood. And the question is, did the Vikings have tattoos of mouse culture?
01:13:09
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have had tattoos and we have the description from at least one Ibn al-Fadlan yeah who encountered Volga Vikings or the ru Vikings in The question is, because the Viking world is rather big, we tend to think of it just as ah Denmark, Norway, Sweden, yeah Iceland, maybe Greenland, but that's only part of the Viking world. We also have Vikings in Poland, Estonia, ah in Ukraine, and kind of it's a
01:13:49
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kind of large area and while they share some aspect they might not share all aspects and the only occurrence of tattoos or that's mentioned at least is with a ruse that might be Scandinavians but there might be not at the same time and there's some debate going on on that and then I mean I think there are part of the Viking culture The question is, are they Swedes or are they Ukrainian or the those settled in Poland? There's several aspects you can take. But the for example, the Christians talking about Vikings around Denmark.
01:14:34
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don't really mention tattoos. They mentioned these ah calls behind their ah eyes. And we also have a description of the Vering Guard, ah those fighting in Constantinople, or one of the Royal Guard in Constantinople. They are not described with tattoos. Other barbaric tribes ah in these accounts are described having tattoos or body pains, but those that are Vikings are not associated with this practice. So, I mean, it could be local. It could be, I mean, it's a bigger discussion. What they didn't have is shim lines. Yeah.
01:15:16
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for sure. They did not use chin lines. That's a indigenous practice from the Inuit tribes, for example, or people. There's also some practicing similar ah markings in the North Africa, but it should not be incorporated in your Viking cosplay costume. Please just leave it a alone. Stop. So a long rambling answer, but yeah, Vikings could have tattoos, but we're not really sure. yeah And how they looked like.
01:15:49
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our Our friend, a professor and archaeologist, Howard Williams TM, he did a video recently where he presented a brand new study. ah And this they this is the study that talked about how they had the cranial um changes and how they obviously that they did some to teeth markings as well. yeah But there was no evidence of tattoos at all. What's interesting with that is that they all of these are connected to Gotland, the island in the center of the Baltic yeah almost that lake, because in Swedish we call it a lake, but the Baltic Sea. so exaling
01:16:29
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and It's a matter of ambition.
01:16:35
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yeah Yeah, so ah we we as of and as of the that specific study, ah we, as of right now, do not have evidence of Vikings, bodily evidence of Vikings who are having tattoos. no No, and we don't really have ah pigments or tools that could be attributed to tattooing practice or in the saiyas. And I mean, since most of what's written about the Vikings are in a Christian context, who I mean, the Christian
01:17:06
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would definitely have harped to the use of tattoos, most likely. yeah come tonight yeah I always tell this to Mark, it's one of my favorite one of my favorite lectures that was ever given by Professor Ronald Hutton. I was there digitally and um somebody had asked a question. he It was all about the Vikings in Britain specifically. And he had said something to the effect somebody had asked a question and he said, you know, we have to remember that everything that's written about the Vikings here that we know of is from a Christian viewpoint that was written a couple hundred years later. We have no idea whether they actually believed in Valhalla or in Ragnarok, and actually those are probably Christian ideas that were added in later.
01:17:48
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and the whole audience went silent and you see people like staring and looking around and and he just goes sorry about this folks anyway and he just keeps going on like but you could see people's 300 souls left their bodies through their eyes and they were so so distraught. They all went to some place Not Valhalla, that's for sure. but yeah But they but they all they're like, what do you mean? The Vikings may be not believed in Valhalla. What? And yeah ah but I think I think one of the things that comes out of. So things like the filing of teeth, you know, there was a ah burial that was uncovered, probably an execution point on the edge of what is today, I think, Oxfordshire on a crossroads where some a war band had been
01:18:40
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have been caught and seemingly executed on the edge of a Saxon territory. para and um I think one of the the the crucial things to remember is that these were human beings. And I think and a lot of people, a lot of people who sort of fantasize ah essentially in us ah literally an antagonistic sense to modern modern life. And in that sense, I suppose to a modern post-Christian, aka a modern Christian outlook of Europe in particular, ah they like to imagine these sorts of, ah ah so I don't know about you, Frederick, but for example, I had friends, um colleagues actually, who, when I worked, when I, for example, was working at Jorvik,
01:19:25
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who would say things like, you know, and ah, ah, yes, the Christian God demands that you kneel, whereas Thor demands that you hold Hammer proudly. this guy So it sounds grand and you have to understand why it's why it's attractive. But it's it's the fact that so much of this stuff is not evidence and and things like what's happening at key temples, for example, in Sweden or um yeah religious practices on on Iceland or or even around to Dublin, for example. You know, we it's it's it's obscure. And I think one of the reasons why it continues, though, to be played with is that this stuff is on the the fringes of history, because we're talking about stuff that that's scarcely written down. And if it is written down, it's written often it's written down and then goes through other communities. And so therefore, it's people can um
01:20:23
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for once or a better word abuse it actually to that for their own for their own modern purposes and often yeah it's sort of a countercultural purpose isn't it and i think that's so you mentioned something very something that's often left out that the vi idea of the modern viking or what the public perceive as what the viking is is a modern invention, especially in late 1800s, a Sweden aristocrat, where they started to have a rebirth of this going back to nature and this kind of noble savage, but they replaced that with this
01:20:59
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Viking aesthetic. So we have a lot of ideas coming from a Swedish nationalists that kind of still survives in the public perception about how the Viking should be, you know, standing firm, hammer in hand. And I mean, there were several and societies that were and basically inventing the modern Viking, but they were just cosplaying Vikings, but we take these as facts because that's how they did in the late 1800s. But also, it has an impact though, doesn't it, on modern demographics as well. yeah So it ends up impacting beauty standards for the nations that come out of that. yeah And so people then think, oh, Vikings were blonde, that kind of thing, you know. um it's it's It's so interesting how... Well, French is blonde, can't you?
01:21:53
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Of course, that's true. Um, and I have, I have a full head of hair underneath this, uh, this, this very sweaty tinfoil. Um, but, but also it's that thing that the stories we tell ourselves. And this is the, I guess this is the irony at the heart of an awful lot of what Michelle's interested in yeah is the story the stories we, were the stories we tell ourselves that they're not only often, uh, fantastical, but they do nonetheless become real because people. forge something out of that sense of a historical reality. It's just whether or not it relates to you know actual provable history or not. the the That's where people come in and wear a dinosaur hat and go. ra but So well we'll move things a little bit later since we're we're talking about prehistory. So did aliens have a battle in the sky over Nuremberg in 1561?
01:22:50
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Yeah, there's paintings of it, of course. Yeah, of course. Yeah, absolutely. they Got the ships in there and there's all the the cannons firing in the sky and everything. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. That's that's a point to Frederick. Yeah. we We obviously have no idea, but there were actually several different, this is probably just a celestial phenomenon that happened. There's a painting. but There it's a, there's a woodblock of this. it a yeah yeah thing Yeah. Yeah. So what, I mean, what else do you need? That's right. Yeah. There's fifth physical evidence. Yeah, absolutely. But it's mostly circles and bars and there's a ah part that's on fire, but it's here if it's good good it yeah you've you've got a point on the line here, man. Calm down.
01:23:35
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but who and The Basel pamphlet of 1566 describes and the also it describes unusual sunrises and sunsets, celestial phenomena where they said to have like fought together ah in the form of like numerous red and black balls in the sky before before the rising sun. I mean the account of it, if you actually read because somebody wrote about it, somebody reported on it, the account is very interesting. Uh, but very obviously no, it's not aliens. It's, it's just some kind of, that it's either, it's either, uh, some kind of, uh, Eclipse or partial eclipse or something going on, uh, where people are just like, Oh my God, the sky's on fire. And yet two seconds later, everything was fine. So you say that you say that, but I'm not sure I can be a friend.
01:24:23
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this is what the aliens want you to believe. Exactly, exactly. so exactly exactly yeah ah So here's something we talked about very briefly beforehand. Why couldn't ancient people see the colour blue?
01:24:39
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call yeah yeah because we kind of evolved into seeing the blue. Before that, we couldn't see the sky. yeah And you know that's why why the Native Americans couldn't see the ships coming for all over the sea because they never seen a boat. That's right. Yeah, exactly. That's it. I love, I love how this is getting more and more sarcastic as we're going. yeah No, of course they could see blue, but no no no, no, no, no, no. So as far as I'm aware, okay. Right. Before, before a certain point, blue was, you know, kind of like the way that you refer to, you know, you know, like these to have slang for people who.
01:25:20
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Uh, so like in Britain, for example, in British English, they have the slang for someone who is a bit quirky yeah and you can sort of insert anything, you know, into that. So it can be like, yeah. So until we see, Oh, you know, they, they really like, uh, they really like their peas. They do. All right. And it's, it's a blue previously, um, occupied that sort of social space, I think. And people would be like, Oh, the sky today. It's a bit, it's a bit, uh, it's a bit like, uh, you know, Soup. Soupy. Yeah. It's a bit soupy. yeah
01:25:55
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No, i think this is a complete myth. It's made up. No, it stems from the fact that ancient Greeks describe, well, at least certain Greeks described the sea as having a wine dark color. And so people thought, Oh, I guess they can't see blue. They have two other words for blue. yeah We got the word cyan from them. And it's, I suppose another, okay. This is me being serious now is that I guess the point is, is that it that it's, um, It's qualitative, isn't it? So when they describe the wine dark sea, they're describing a rich, umptuous, mysterious, churning. Yeah, presumably so. Yeah, exactly. And then there's also, there's it like, uh, like we talked about before, there's also this myth that the Vikings didn't have a word for blue. They absolutely had a word for blue. Blar is the word for blue. And they, it's just due to old poor translations that people thought that they didn't have a word for blue. You know, it's kind of, you know, what the old, word old English word for orange was.
01:26:51
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Nothing. It was two words. Oh, was it it was a yellow, red, because Chaucer uses ah something like that. where Yeah. guess it's yellow red ah week Because we get we get the word orange from the fruit. And so therefore we say things are orange. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. but yeah see See, I know what I'm talking about. I'm the one who makes these questions. This is why I win every time. So you did really well on the last one. So here's one for you, Mark. Who is buried was buried in Gellert's grave? ha
01:27:22
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um Fred, do you know this story? No idea. Okay. Okay. So there's this town in North Wales. So there is. Yeah. and Called Prustatin. Now that's not what the one we're talking about. That's where I'm from. ah But the one we're talking about is called Beth Geler. And it's Geler's grave is what it's known as. And you have this wonderful story of a local aristocrat. who has a child, and um they have ah yeah they also have ah a very um beloved dog called Gellert. And Gellert is set to look after the child, the newborn, as um the lord and his lady go on off on a walk one day, and they come home to pandemonium. Apparently Gellert has lost his mind and chewed at the boy and eaten him up, and
01:28:20
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This is actually reminiscent, actually, the more I think about it, Michelle, of things from the, um, from the Mabinogion, isn't it? And, s and, Siena, but anyway so anyway, but you have this thing of, so you see, uh, Gellert has, has apparently gone nuts and eaten the baby or something, attacked the baby. Uh, and so the, you know, incomes, my Lord, what's his jobs with this sword and goes yeah and stabs the dog. But then it's revealed that actually the blood was not from the baby on the sheets. It was actually from a snake that had come into the room. The dog had bit the snake and blood was everywhere. The baby was fine. And so they buried the dog very carefully under a tree in Bethgelette. And it's now a ah ah very lovely
01:29:09
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ah tourist spot that existed oddly enough from a very traceable point in time. it Yes. isn't that Isn't that interesting? Except it's a very lovely spot. That's also a hoax. Yeah. Yeah. It was the the story never happened. He completely took the story from pre-existing stories and just to encourage ah tourism to parts of Northern Wales, he completely made it up. He even made the grave look very interesting, but no, it's completely not real. I'm sorry, Mark. I have been there though. I went there as a child and I loved the story. It was, it was lovely, but, uh, um, I'm kind of reassured that it's not real, you know? Yeah. You sort of think, you know, they come on, come on. But no, it's way too late. Um, here's one to ferry both
Humorous Takes on Historical Misconceptions
01:30:01
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of you. Uh, medieval people knew the world was flat. Why doesn't everyone else?
01:30:09
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You can see both of your eyes just doing back flips in your head. Uh, I would say that people, people long before the medieval period knew the world wasn't flat. Um, yeah. Yeah. People in the middle ages did not think the world was flat. no They never did. It was all nonsense made up in the 1600s. Ancient Greeks very well knew that the world was round. Hieronymus Bosch even painted the world as a circle in, uh, in the quarter of one of his paintings. No. So where you go did they we know it due to the aliens?
01:30:44
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i just That's right, the aliens told them it was round. yeah This is why we know. It was a nightmare getting here. that We came in from the wrong side and we were on the Pacific. The aliens are art Yorkshiremen. Yes. No, i you were going to ask, Mark, are the accusations date from the 17th century as part of a campaign by Protestants against Catholic teachings? Well, and and I suppose in that's the that in that sense, I guess ah you're right, you have answered that, but also
01:31:15
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Why is it therefore such a modern supposedly biblical thing to believe in the, in the bladder from the firmament, firmament, and that's this kind of thing. Is it, is it coming out of a sort of a, uh, an impression of a, uh, a Protestant tradition, do you think? And then it sort of become a sort of a Baptist and, you know, they would they would have done anything to just discredit Catholic beliefs, honestly, because they believed a lot of things that the Catholics f league were either from witchcraft or like, thing. It didn't honestly, it didn't matter after a while. Yeah, but, but, but like your guy, you you know, you're, you're, you're ding-a-ling on, on TikTok. And there are so many of them.
01:31:56
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You're diggling on TikTok today, who sort of talks about their experience the experiential nature of of of reality and the and the way that they know the world is flat because they experience it. The AI told me it's flat because it made the world flat. Exactly. But this this this thing bats. That that re resurgence seemingly must come from a a broader notion that somehow flat flatness is biblical, I guess, and that must be rooted in Protestantism. Never. It never says so in the Bible, no. Sorry. yeah As the Old Testament expert among us, the answer is no. it's not a At least it's it's not there. so as um But we do know that the moon is a light.
01:32:36
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What's that for Jake? Sometimes people, sometimes people used to believe in weird stuff because they want to be part of it. like i and doesn' exist I reject that. Nothing we've said today highlights that people believe in weird stuff ever. ah which wait Okay. So wait, wait for the last three doozies then. So we're ready for any for the the last few years. If the Romans didn't visit America, why are there Roman coins there?
01:33:08
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I mean, someone wrote it. but yeah flame They're all hoaxes. The report's going to be really shady Michelle and say, why are you there? but Why are we all here? yeah yeah this is where This is where the aliens made the reptilian brain. And that's why I sprouted out of the ground like the the medieval sheep plant ah in that but and that itself is not a hoax. That's just a mis misunderstanding of how ferns grow. Yeah, yeah that that's my origin story is that I'm actually a rhizome.
01:33:50
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I'm actually three potatoes in a t-shirt. the beat reveal beat
01:33:59
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only i understand ah the The answer is they're all hoaxes. A lot of people use this to say that, you know, all the Romans discovered America. No reports of the discovery of Roman coins only go back to 16th century. ah The earliest account is ah from 1533, somebody who claimed to have found a coin of Augustus in Panama and then could not reproduce the coin, amazingly. I found it, but then I lost it. No further discoveries of Roman coins were mentioned for 250 years and then suddenly in the 1800s there were tons of them. No, not at all. ah Second to last question, is Budica buried under King's Cross?
01:34:52
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I would say no. No. No. One account, only one account says that she was ever buried there, but other accounts don't even mention her burial or even her death at all. Uh, some claim that Peckham-Ride Common or Hampstead Heath, uh, and some say Birmingham. I don't know how she got there. She's buried, but we have no clue. where she here that's that That's a bit regionless didn't it? She can get to Birmingham. That's not, that's not a night. That's not where the Akenne tribe were. That's why you're going to get the names. She's like to burn stuff and burning, burning ham. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Burning. Yeah. I dig it. Um, uh, okay. Uh, can I ask a bonus bonus question there? Um, okay. Who, or whom, what, what is buried under the, uh, the mound of the great tower of London?
01:35:52
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Are you, are you, is this like a princess in the tower kind of thing? Is that what she is you're getting at? Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is a long lines of a boot. Okay. It's kind of like similar, to similar sorts of time. Do people say that her husband is married there? No, no, no, not her husband. No, no. ah did anyone What do you think, Frederick? Any ideas? Or it might be a bit, a little bit niche, but if you're a fan of Game of Thrones, you might have a clue.
01:36:19
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It was a long time, I saw a game of thorns. Is it Mary? Mary, Queen of Scots? Do they say she's buried there? Oh, no, I don't. Supposedly. And this is why this is why I changed from who to whom to to what. Bran the blessed's head, the giant's head. Oh, that's a cloud. Okay, yes. Yeah, that's true. It's supposedly underneath the mound. but was it Wasn't Cromwell's head isn it cromwell's head also buried buried or said to have been buried under there? I'm still waiting for that Christmas ornament, Mark. i still I asked Mark like two years ago, I said, we need to make a Christmas ornament of Cromwell's head and just put it on the tree. You're right. You're right.
01:36:58
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I need to make that and I actually also have in the making a yeah a bell for Krampus as well. So you have to do both. Yeah, that'd be good. Um, no, but it's, uh, I mean, obviously Cromwell's held Cromwell's Tom Wells' head is just over there, just in the corner. Yeah, his death mask is somewhere in everybody's house. Yeah, yeah, just over there. But it's the brand of blessed and um supposedly he is kind of like actually see an interesting sort of proto Arthurian legend, this idea that that this this post-Roman pre-Saxon entity
01:37:37
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well, we'll be there looking after the kingdom. ah Oh, there's a lot of those. There's a lot of those narratives for sure. I mean, Harroward the Wake as well has, you know, the his fellow proto-Robin Hood idea. Same thing with what's called the Saxon Smith. there There's tons, there's tons of those that people are like, oh yes, they really lived going, ah, did they know? I don't know. I don't know. People don't think Beowulf was a real person. Why would you think other, you know, these other people were? But anyway, All right. Last question.
01:38:08
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yeah last question Because we all love this one. Why won't archaeologists admit that the Roman dodecahedrons were used for knitting? Because knitting wasn't really a thing in the Roman empire at that point in history. Yeah. They could be used. and yeah could be used today. they could they were they think Yeah, they could be, but except that some of the holes through which apparently you're forming a finger are smaller than any human finger can be. And and that includes babies. like i Like one of the most um
01:38:49
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I don't buy into this because actually there was something clearly differentff about about the the sides of the dodecahedron and the the holes being different shapes, which must be significant. But I did hear of compelling arguments that it could be used for ah doing washing. So you put a soap or some sort of ah you know, cleaning aspects inside the dodecahedron. And as it soaks, it melts and and the bubbles and the yeah and the um the bubbles on the um ah corners of the... Scrap and wash everything? Yeah, yeah. There's there's a word for the ah the points at which the different edges end. But anyway, they and yeah anyway but the point is that rather than than being used to loop
01:39:38
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ah thread or yarn for knitting actually they would bump into clothes and and agitate essentially the cloth and make it make it that's I find that that more compelling I like the and also I mean I obviously have jokes with you in the past about about it being used to sort something like pasta. yes It should be like the different halls for different pasta sizes. Yeah. Yeah. So like a really small one is like, Oh, i'm I've had, you know, I had too much wine last night, a little bit of pasta. Um, but it's yeah, it's, uh, just for folks listening at home, what I find interesting about that is the one of the main ways in which I've come across people saying, Oh, it's common sense is that they'll, they'll present this, uh, this hypothetical story of a grandma somewhere.
01:40:23
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somewhere in Europe, um who who just sort of goes, looks at it and apparently sort of gives it a little, you know, side eye and and turns it over and asks, where do you find this? And the archaeologist is going, we don't, well, we only find them in the Northern Roman Empire. What could it be? And then she says, Oh, well, obviously it's for cold regions and and it's for knitting gloves. And I like, I like it. I like the story presentation as a, um non-specialist and accessible version of interpretation. I love the idea that people can anyone can pick something up.
01:40:58
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and archaeology at its best is a tangible connection to the past that is, in fact, in that sense, a heat experiential and can can relate you can relate to it in that way. But the fact that people will not miss them to, as you say, Frederick, the fact that knitting wasn't a thing is so frustrating um that ah I've got to the point now, of of i I now put things inside them. I don't know if you've seen that. Yeah, that's right. I commissioned essentially a 3D print where there's a 12 sided shape inside the dodecahedron, which is very pleasing. And for me, that's now my headcanon. It's just, you know, it's a fiddle thing, which is fine. But, I mean- It could be a Roman fidget spinner if we don't know. Well, and that's the thing. I mean, as opposed to what it's not, I mean, what do you, do either of you guys have any theories as to what it might be then? As opposed to what it isn't. Hypothesis. I don't know, kind of like a sort of game piece.
01:41:54
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Oh yeah. Last game. I mean, not that we have too many of them, but yeah. I would rather take that than six man Morris. I would take six man Morris and dump it into the sea. I hate that game. So annoying. I mean, we have other dice from them. So I mean, why not? Why can't it be a game piece of some kind? Well, there is a, there's a, there's a D20, isn't there? That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Romans, first DMs, well technically Egypt would be first DMs. Just turn up in Britannia and just be like, right. just put right down but yeah And that's how Rome took over Egypt. They lost their D and&D campaign. Yeah, exactly. The elven bard was just rubbish. Like, why did you choose the elven bard Egypt?
01:42:51
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um should have gone with a tank uh yeah well you made it to the end without killing me which is great mark had we do one of the scores oh uh yeah so uh okay uh who's the winner who's the winner ah um that's at eight point Uh, eight, 10.5. Okay. And then, I mean, if I'm not sure why I'm counting is obvious really. Um, so it's five, 10, nine, uh, 14 and a half. Oh, 24 and a half. Uh,
01:43:33
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twenty 27 and a half is the winner. And that's Frederick. Um, so yeah, I came second 10.5 and Michelle, you came in third with the 8.5, but as but as the DM, as we know, that's, you know, that's the default position. is that You got to work hard on you to win. Um, you know, but, uh, yeah, well done. Well done, Frederick. Well, Frederick, unfortunately, since you win, you get the gift of. further reading. Fortunately for you, your further reading is digging up ancient aliens. Please go check out ah Frederick's podcast of digging up ancient aliens and his website.
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And you said there's also the the the audio tour information. Can you give people the audio tour information one more time? Yeah, so you can go to your Google Play Store or App Store and search historian. So historian.
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Well, I hope you had fun. I hope, I hope everybody had a good time. ah yeah right time I hope ah Mark didn't have too many aneurysms. ah know I feel as though there's a second quiz here where you can push us further. There's this going to be more. I mean, they were obtained the quest. they were Yeah. Yeah. because I've seen the pain. I can take more. Yeah. Uh, uh, is that, is that a challenge because you know, I'll do it.
01:45:12
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yeah You have to go into the deep cuts of ancient aliens. Yeah. Yeah. Oh no. Yeah. You have to watch it. You have to, you have to know, I can't, I can't, this is, this is why i'm I'm saner than both of you because I can't watch those things because I get, I get, like I just start shaking and screaming. two Some of these shows and I appreciate. And as I always say, you should appreciate them for the content that they, that they give. but i can't fish it's like i I can't do it. I just get so violently angry. Maybe maybe but then but no but maybe there's an episode there where where maybe you're provided with. but I think I saw myself one episode and I remember
01:45:58
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I think it was like the first episode of the first season where they showed like an aerial view of the pyramids and how they align with, I think it was Orion's belt or something like that. If you if you flip it upside down. Yeah, if if you flip it upside down, it aligns perfectly with Orion's belt. going Yeah. So you just said that if you altered it, it fits perfectly. That's not what fitting perfectly. and You also have to move a couple of the pyramids for it to. know but yeah yeah yeah yeah
01:46:29
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no yeah but um yeah and know And yet but and yet that they they don't talk about the.
01:46:37
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achievement of those monument. that ah Sorry, sorry, but this is a whole, this, and this is a whole other episode. You should, ishi you should, you should find some real sort of like, you know, proper, you know, this was good. This was good. I'll give you like a five out of 10 for like, you know, antagonizing, but, um, I reckon you could, you know, you could properly i make, make people. You didn't even mention the dual CPU process building or the whole city is based like a motherboard with dual CPUs. know Oh, is that is ah am I asking, is that a thing? Of course it's a thing because it's the friggin internet. Yeah, that's a real thing from my Instagram. TOTWACAN is a year-end computer with dual CPU spots. Yeah, and then Florida is a ah is a graphics card.
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yeah Uh, Florida's a pretty shit graphics card. I'll tell you that. I have a 10 70 and my 10 70 is better than Florida. That's all thanks so much for, for coming. I hope, I hope everybody had fun. I hope it was a good time, even though I could see like the blood coming out of your eyes at one point. Uh, and, uh, I, i did well I hope, I hope we get to do this again. A huge thank you to both Mark and Michel, who has them already agreed to appear on a future episode again, watching Ancient Aliens. Maybe live, it might be a little little thing we do there where you might be able to join in, but let's not get ahead of us.
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Well, until the next time, keep shoveling that science!
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You're teleporting me to get out the idea