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Jay-Z Speaks, Minnesota GOP Defends Chauvin & The GOAT Debate
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After years of staying above the noise, Jay-Z returned to the Roots Picnic and used the moment to address Dame Dash, Jaguar Wright, Drake, and years of speculation surrounding his legacy. We break down what Hov actually said, why this performance mattered, and whether this marks the beginning of a new chapter for one of hip-hop's most influential figures.
Then we turn to Minnesota, where Republican delegates approved a moment of silence for Derek Chauvin just days after the sixth anniversary of George Floyd's death. We discuss why the decision sparked outrage, why George Floyd's case remains one of the most divisive cultural events in modern America, and what it says about politics, accountability, and public memory.
Finally, we lighten things up with a debate inspired by a viral moment involving Denzel Washington and LeBron James. What makes someone a true GOAT? Is it talent? Influence? Legacy? Respect? We build our personal Top 5 lists and debate whether icons like Denzel Washington, Michael Jordan, Beyoncé, Eddie Murphy, Betty White, Michelle Obama, Serena Williams, and others belong in the conversation.
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Chapters:
00:00:00 Full episode synopsis of all three segments covered today
00:02:10 Getting Older Sucks And Our Bodies Refuse To Cooperate Daily 😩🛏️😂
00:05:30 Jay lost 100 lbs but still sees the same person in the mirror 💪🏾😳🔥
00:08:10 Jay-Z hits the Roots Picnic for his first headline show in years 🎤👑🔥
00:10:00 Dame Dash, Jaguar Wright, and Drake all addressed in one night 💬🎯🐐
00:17:50 Nas versus Jay and the debate over who actually won The Takeover 🎤⚔️🐐
00:20:00 Legacy is not silence, Hov steps on stage and reminds everybody 👑🔥🎙️
00:22:30 Minnesota Republicans Honor Derek Chauvin And Spark Outrage 😳⚖️🔥
00:24:40 The Claim That Derek Chauvin Was Railroaded Falls Apart Fast 🚔❌⚖️
00:26:20 Why George Floyd's Death Still Makes Some People Uncomfortable 🖤💔😔
00:36:30 Kevin Hart was exec producer, he cut things but not that one 😤🎬👊🏾
00:38:30 Moment of silence is a moral statement not a procedural mistake 🎙️💔✊🏾
00:40:20 Denzel Walked Across The Court And Everybody Showed Respect 👑🏀🔥
00:41:20 Why Barack Obama Falls Just Short Of True Universal GOAT Status 🤔🏛️👀
00:43:40 MLK was the GOAT in life, the world just did not recognize it 🕊️👑🔥
00:48:20 Michael B Jordan on the rise but Beyonce can cross any court 🎬🔥👑
00:53:50 MJ transcended basketball and nobody in that building says word 🐐🏀👑
01:04:00 Greatest of all time means even your haters have to stand still 🎙️👑🔥
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Introduction and Episode Preview
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Jay-Z finally responds. Republicans honor Derek Chauvin and Denzel just reminded everybody what a real ghost status looks like. We gonna get into it. Let's get it.
Engagement and Welcoming Listeners
00:00:21
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Welcome. First of all, welcome. This is Unsolicited Perspectives. I am your host, Bruce Anthony, here to lead the conversation in important events and topics that are shaping today's society. Join the conversation and follow us wherever you get your audio podcasts. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for our video podcasts, YouTube exclusive of content, and our YouTube membership. rate, review, like, comment, share.
00:00:43
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Share it with your friends, share with your family, hell, even share
Sibling Happy Segment: Jay-Z and Cultural Discussions
00:00:46
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with your enemies. On today's episode, it's The Sibling Happy. I'm here with my sis, J. Andrea. We're going to be talking Jay-Z, Minnesota GOP, and top fives, GOAT.
00:00:59
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But that's enough of the intro. Let's get to the show.
00:01:09
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What up, sis? What up, brother? I can't call it. I can't call it. You know, before we get into talking about Jay-Z at the Roots picnic, and for for something that's right up the road, I don't know why I've never gone to the Roots picnic. I heard it's a really good time, and I probably need to experience that before I take my final breath.
00:01:27
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Yeah, I've always wanted to go as well. So if you go, I'd like to go too. All right, be let's go next year. Let's do it next year. Also, by the way, Project Peta, I sent you something, but you don't check your DMs, even though you promised me on Monday that you was going to go through them. I did, and I have so many, and I have not checked them. I also have not checked all my text messages either. You weren't that busy.
00:01:54
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Yeah, but i I have not looked
Aging and Body Image
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at my phone. Anyway, Project Peta is going to be here in July.
00:02:04
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July is a very busy month for me. I'm just saying he's going to be in Richmond. He's going be in Richmond and he's going to be here in D.C. I'm going. I might even buy the backstage passes for the meet and greet. I love Project Pata. Project Pata. He attracts them dime pieces. Getting older sucks.
00:02:24
Speaker
Yeah, it does. yeah Nothing about my bed has changed. My pillows are the same. My mattress, the foundation is the same. And my mattress is one of those mattresses that don't get lumpy. Like it's not going lose its form. Right. So it's not, it's not a matter of me having an old mattress and it's losing its form. The pillows are the same.
00:02:44
Speaker
They're the same as the the mattress, right? They're not going to lose their form. How I stack the pillows hasn't changed. Nothing has changed, but dammit, if my neck doesn't hurt, And damn it, if I can't get comfortable getting that bed. The other day, my spread, bed sheets, nothing has changed. Wow. So all of a sudden, it feels like I'm sleeping in a weighted blanket.
00:03:05
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o Yeah. ah Well, how old is your mattress? I got it. It's probably six years old. It's time to change it.
00:03:17
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Uh-uh. Not what I spent for this mattress. I'll flip it before I switch it. I don't remember if it's five or ten years, but, like, one of those... You're either coming up on it's time to change it, or...
00:03:33
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And also, your body was different six years ago than it is now. So what might be the right mattress for you six years ago might not be the mattress for you right now. You might need some extra posturepedics. What the hell you trying to say that my body is different from what it was six years ago? You are six years older. No. You're six years older. i am too.
00:04:02
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Okay, so then why you trying to act like I'm saying something? Because I don't want to be called fat. One of our ah one of our friends, our mutual friends that we've known for,
00:04:14
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god Over about 20 years, and over 20 years now, pulled me aside one time and was like, why do you always call yourself fat? You are nowhere close to fat. And I was like, dysmorphia.
00:04:26
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I got body dysmorphia, no matter what. And that's real. Yeah. I was like, no matter what, I'm always fat. oh To me, no matter what, always have man titties. Always. Yeah. And that's absolutely never been true. Actually, it is. I got the Rock boobs before the Rock got surgery. A lot of people don't know about this. When the Rock was a professional wrestler, men
Jay-Z's Return and Industry Reflections
00:04:50
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sometimes have excess fat in their, like, nipple area.
00:04:54
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And yeah there's nothing that you could do, right? It's just genetic. No matter how much you lift, there's just always going to be excess fat. He got tired of it. yeah And he had surgery.
00:05:06
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Basically, breast reduction surgery? Or or the male equivalent. yeah That's the reason why his chest is it's flat. Yeah, that's the reason why his chest is flat and shaped now. But ladies and gentlemen, if you don't believe me, go back to the early days of the rock wrestling and you'll see that he had man boobs. So I got that. So maybe I'll get the breast reduction.
00:05:26
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I... Again, i think you are not a good judge of that because of the dysmorphia. just but Body dysmorphia is a real thing. like As I was first starting to lose weight, like I'm watching the scale go down.
00:05:42
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I see that my clothes are no longer fitting, my drawers has fallen down and all kinds of stuff. That drawers fall those doors feels hilarious to me. It'll never not be hilarious.
00:05:53
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But when I look in the mirror, i saw the exact same person. And even now, i still, so a ah hundred pounds down, I still see the same person. And it's not until I look at actually episodes, early, early episodes before my weight loss that I'm like, oh, no, girl, you look very different. But like, but like all you do is see the old you.
00:06:20
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All I do is see the old me. And i was really I was really struggling with it. Now I know to not trust my own eyes to a certain extent. But yeah, I was really struggling with it in the early stages of like, everybody keeps telling me I look different, but I see the same person.
00:06:41
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And I wasn't even doing it to change my appearance. I did i lost the weight to get healthier. Right. But it's just like, still, you kind of, in the back of your mind, expect to see some difference. And then when you look in the mirror, you don't see it.
00:06:56
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because your mind is playing tricks on you. It is rough. It is very rough. ah That's a good point. Watching the show, because we're, don't know what episode this is, 320, 321. We up there, right? Going through, because I get on my YouTube page, and of course, I'm personally subscribed to our podcast YouTube page. Same, yeah. It'll pop up in a video show, and I'll be like, oh, okay.
00:07:20
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Like, I can see my face being thinner. Oh, ja Jay's head was really big. looked like the size of two basketballs, and now only looks like a basketball and a half. ah Well, it looked like a basketball.
00:07:38
Speaker
I wouldn't say two. was No. at No. And now I would say it does not look like a basketball. Right. It does not look like a basketball. You're right. You're right. It looks like a football. ah yeah Anyway, speak at our with ah speaking of, you know, heads and hairstyles, Jay-Z came out with a full fro for his freestyle. Now, have you watched the video of his freestyle and his appearance at the Roots Picnic?
00:08:10
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No, but I did see a video of Beyonce jamming out to them. So I just love when your spouse is your biggest fan. So there, yeah. I mean, that's the way it actually should be, ladies and gentlemen. If your biggest cheerleader is not your partner, key word there, it ain't your man, it ain't your woman. I mean, it is.
00:08:30
Speaker
It's your partner. It's your partner, yes. It's your partner. If they're not your biggest cheerleader... You need cut you Right. are you doing? Yeah. Jay-Z was at the Roots picnic. and It happened on May 30th in Philadelphia. It marked his first headline show in more than five years. And for context, he broke six years of solo concert silence. This wasn't a random show. He has a Yankee Stadium. Dates coming in July for his 30th anniversary for Reasonable Doubt and the bro and the but Blueprint. So this was an official announcement that Hov is back. in full, and he showed, you know, like I said earlier, his full afro. But the most important thing, more important than him coming out and performing the first time in five to six years, is that he finally took shots. If you are a fan of Hov,
00:09:21
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That's Jay-Z's nickname. yeah Young Hov. Well, ain't young no more. He's 56 years old. Right. If you are a fan of Hov, you know there's been plenty of people over the years that have been taking shots at him.
00:09:33
Speaker
I'm only going focus on three of them. Dame Dash, his former partner, and one-third of the members that started Rockefeller. Mm-hmm. Jaguar Wright, who we talked about on this show.
00:09:46
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Who is, listen, everybody, she's a mess. A mess. yeah And recently on his latest album, Drake. Now, the Drake shot wasn't
00:10:03
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wasn't a hateful shot. It was, I'm coming for the top spot. Which is a competitor shot. Yeah, yeah. But Jay was still like, you know what? Since I'm giving it to everybody, I'm going to give it to everybody. So one of the first things that Jay-Z did was right would have this sign called Chatty Patty, and that was referring referring to Dame Dash. And he also, in the freestyle, said something about the teeth falling out.
00:10:32
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That was all also in reference to Dame Dash. Now, Dame Dash, the reason why he's coming after Dame Dash is because Rockefeller broke up, I want to say 20-plus years ago. Yes, yes. Dame Dash has not kept Jay-Z out of his mouth. Jay-Z has stayed in his mouth.
00:10:47
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Well, Jay, let's be honest. Jay is his claim to fame. Like, Dame was not... It was a celebrity, honestly, by association. dame is not an artist himself. Right.
00:11:01
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So, without an artist to kind of carry him along, it's kind of like, why should we care about Dame Dash? He is a successful entrepreneur. He has started several businesses that have gone on and made millions.
00:11:17
Speaker
He is an entrepreneur. In his words, a boss. A lot of people are entrepreneurs. This is true. He's a multi-million dollar successful entrepreneur. But he also is broke and his teeth fell out. But then he fixed his teeth and he's been having a lot. He's been throwing shots at Jay for years.
00:11:35
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Four years. And he threw more shots at Jay. When they asked him about the freestyle and what Jay-Z said about him, Dame Dash was like, I don't know. He must be broke.
00:11:46
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He must be broke. That's the reason why he's talking about me. You know, I never expected... Let's be very, very clear. Right. Jay-Z, on his own, he's fine for money.
00:12:02
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yeah But let's not forget that he has a partner who is... I believe she is a billionaire. If not...
00:12:13
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A billionaire, extremely, extremely close. Yes. And together, definitely they are. Well, he's so he's a multi... He isn't just one billion. He's a multi-billionaire.
00:12:24
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Yeah, so they're fine, Dame. Like, i think I think if anybody should be taking shots of, like, oh, you sound broke, it shouldn't be you. Like, it shouldn't... People in glass houses, right, should not throw stones. So you might want to pick another lane. I mean, that's not really the lane I think you want to travel in, my guy. Especially when he's had money problems.
00:12:55
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That's what I'm talking about. He's had money problems recently. And then he tried to say that the whole freestyle was whack. And this is what I will say about him saying it was whack.
00:13:06
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There has been that sentiment with the younger generation. And when I say younger generation, if you are 25... A lot of these young kids don't know about Jay-Z and his prom. And to me, Jay-Z and his prom ends probably around Blueprint 3, and I think that's being generous, even though he yeah came back with American Gangster, who which I love that album. So when you think about Blueprint 3, that's like, what...
00:13:31
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Well, Blueprint 2, I think, 2002. Blueprint 3 was maybe 2004. I mean, if somebody was born in 2004, they're 22. They're 21 and 22 right now. So they have yeah conceptual idea yeah about Jay-Z, the rapper. And so some of the young folks are just like, that's weird that he's trying to be young. And I'm like, there was nothing about Jay-Z out there trying to be young.
00:13:55
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Blueprint 3, 2009. Blueprint 2, 2002. All right. Then I'm not even... So is Blueprint 2 is his last great, great album because I remember being disappointed with Blueprint 3 as a total project. but Well, I'm going to push back on that. And the Black album was 2003. Okay. You're right. Black album. Black album. i would say that was the last album that I would...
00:14:21
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Yes, you're right. You're right. You're right. I forgot about the Black Album. My bad, ladies and gentlemen. Blitz, he wasn't done with Dame. I mean, he wasn't done with just Dame Dash. Jaguar Wright. So Jaguar Wright is a Philly-born neo-soul singer connected to the Roots Circle. She gained attention during the pandemic for making unverified allegations about major celebrities and music executives.
00:14:44
Speaker
She specifically targeted Jay-Z and Beyonce, including a 2024 Piers Morgan interview where she made serious accusations. I'm not going to get into those accusations. Jay and Beyonce's lawyers contacted Piers Morgan, and Morgan publicly apologized and removed the footage because...
00:15:02
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they were false allegations, right? Yes. Yes. So Jay-Z addressed her in just one line. And he said, Quest introduced me to Jaguar, being Quest love from the roots. I don't even know why I still F with him.
00:15:18
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So he was basically saying, my boy introduced me to Jaguar. Why is it that I still mess with you? Well, I feel like back in the days, sis was not as, in my unprofessional opinion, mentally ill as she is now. And i also think, I think it's a little bit of like, she got some cobwebs in the in the in the attic, but I also think sis got to make money.
00:15:50
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no well yeah And so she's willing to say incendiary things in order to book these appearances and make some money. so But yeah, Quest probably ain't no.
00:16:03
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but editor Honestly, haven't seen too many interactions with him and Jaguar Wright. And I don't think she says anything bad about Quest the Roots. Yeah. It'd be about other people. And then there's Drake.
00:16:20
Speaker
And Drake took shots at Jay-Z on his new album, Iceman, which is great, by the way. Y'all need to go check that out and listen to that. Iceman, he put out three of them. I've only really, really been focusing on Iceman because of so much music to consume. But it's in steady rotation.
00:16:35
Speaker
I have not listened to any of them. you are You were almost going to be listening to some of it Saturday when y'all dropped me off at the train station, but I had to play Dreams of the Ghetto. Anyway, especially he ah Drake especially took shots on this song, Janice, where he used the phrase, the jig is up.
00:16:52
Speaker
That's, you know, jigger. That's yeah another one. man Yeah, jigger man. The jig is up. We got up ten. That's what Jay-Z said in his disc track, referring to to charts and legacy and ownership. And the hardest-hitting bar was, them people got your publishing, gangster.
00:17:14
Speaker
Yeah. Meaning that Jay-Z owns all of his publishing. He owns his masters and Drake does not. Yeah. So that's a, you know, that was, that was Jay-Z taking shots and he rarely does it. And it's... Yeah. Rare. Very rare. I feel like the last good time we heard it was like between him and Nas and that...
00:17:41
Speaker
I don't think he won that. So, you know, yeah, no, no, no. don't know that he did not win it. and i don't know. I've always argued with people about that because I feel like the takeover was so dope.
00:17:57
Speaker
He, he won that and just a verse where it took a whole song for Nas to come And get it. Like, Takeover. That is a good song.
00:18:08
Speaker
It is. But he got him. He got... Jay-Z, to me, got him when he was like, that's a one hot album every 10-year average. That's so lame. I mean, ah but but ah everybody says Nas won, so, you know.
00:18:23
Speaker
this this the It's tried in the court of public opinion, so you got to go with the majority, essentially. But anyway, Jay-Z took his shots. But yeah you got any more of that?
00:18:36
Speaker
i'm I'm happy that he did. feel like he got to take shots every once in a while. You can't keep you can't keep letting people slide. Right. And I feel like he is at a point in his life and in his career where it's like, what can' you can't tell that man nothing.
00:18:51
Speaker
No, you can't. That's a grown man. That's a rich man. he got a whole fan adorable family and living his life. He's doing music again because he wants to Not because he has to, Dame.
00:19:08
Speaker
He is, he's out here. He just, I feel like this is like him enjoying himself. yeah huh Combed out the locks, you know, which I'm surprised about. But, you know, the hair is blowing in the breeze. I saw it. Okay. All right. You know, I feel like this is just his era to have a little bit of ah fun and to do whatever he wants to do.
00:19:30
Speaker
Yeah. He don't have to retire if he doesn't want to. I mean, he's retired. He's just kind of just doing a <unk> career come commemorative. Thank you. i for Some strange reason. Couldn't say that word. Anniversary of Reasonable Doubt and the Blueprint. So, okay yeah. But, Jay.
00:19:49
Speaker
Yeah. Here's the uncomfortable part people don't want to talk about. Legacy does not mean silence. Sometimes people confuse being above the noise with being unable to respond. Jay-Z has spent years letting other people talk, speculate, accuse, rewrite history, and build whole content careers off of his name.
00:20:11
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And then he steps on stage for a few minutes and reminds everybody... There's a difference between being quiet and being done. That's the thing about legacy. When you really have one, you don't have to respond to every shot.
00:20:25
Speaker
You just have to respond at the right time, in the right room, with the right line. And whether it's Dame, Jaguar, Wright, or Drake, the message was the same. Everybody could talk about ownership, loyalty, legacy, and power, but Hov is still one of the few people in hip-hop who actually turned those words into infrastructure.
00:20:48
Speaker
And that's Jay-Z, ladies and gentlemen. But now speaking of people trying to rewrite history, let's move from hip-hop legacy to political disrespect because what happened in Minnesota was not just weird.
Political Controversy: Derek Chauvin Moment of Silence
00:21:01
Speaker
It was very, very intentional. And we're going to get into that next.
00:21:14
Speaker
Jay, the Minnesota GOP held a moment of silence for Derek Chauvin, and I need everybody to understand how weird that sentence is before we even discuss the details.
00:21:26
Speaker
The hell for... So at the Minnesota Republican Party endorsement convention, delegates approved a moment of silence for Derek, the former Minneapolis police officer convicted of murdering George Ford. The request came just days after the sixth anniversary of Floyd's death, making the timing especially controversial.
00:21:48
Speaker
Now delegate, delegate Christopher Rocco proposed the moment of silence. The convention chair, Danny, Nadal advised against it.
00:22:00
Speaker
The motion was put to a voice vote anyway, and the delegates approved by a loud...
00:22:08
Speaker
And then they conducted a 10 second moment of silence. Why is this so disgusting? It's because they, um they immoralized a police officer that killed an innocent man. He was convicted a murder in George Floyd. He was convicted of violating Floyd's civil rights. He is serving more than 22 years in prison. He's currently housed in a federal prison in Texas and appeals have been largely unsuccessful. Now, Jay, I'm sure that you didn't hear about this because it literally just happened yesterday or the day before. And I know you being in and mix and you even be checking your DMs, so you probably hadn't heard about this. But when i when you read the ran rundown and you was like, what the hell?
00:22:49
Speaker
Yeah. what What was the overwhelming feeling that you got? Y'all need help. Like, for real. Y'all need help. yeah the These are the same people...
00:23:04
Speaker
that tell you, oh, slavery was so long ago, enslavement was so long ago, civil rights, all of those, was so long ago. Get over it. Pull yourself up by your boots. And y'all will hang on to things.
00:23:21
Speaker
that It will be the hill you die on because you are so hateful and so racist. Y'all cannot stand that Derek Chauvin was rightly convicted of murdering George Floyd. We all saw the video. We saw what happened.
00:23:42
Speaker
Murdered that man. And he's in prison for it. Why are you holding a moment of silence, number one, for someone who's still alive and who was convicted by a jury of his peers for murder?
00:23:59
Speaker
There's something deeply, deeply wrong with y'all. Like, I don't know what it is but there is something just inherently wrong with y'all.
00:24:15
Speaker
Well, I think I can explain it. I don't understand why, but I think I can explain it. Does that make sense? i think I can explain yeah why they're doing this. Yeah.
00:24:28
Speaker
Or why they did this. I explain nonsense. Yeah. That don't it's not nonsense. Some of the things that have been coming out of conservatives and a lot of these politicians in Tennessee a was that Derek was railroaded.
00:24:45
Speaker
And in the whole process, right? Even the governor candidate, Kendall Quills, was like, yo, I'm distancing myself from this. Like, I don't agree with this moment of silence.
00:24:57
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But then at the same time, come out of breath. But we do think that he was treated unfair and didn't get a fair trial. People like Ben Shapiro, Donald Trump has even discussed the possibility of giving him a federal pardon.
00:25:12
Speaker
And it's because... there was such an outpouring of a black life. Yeah. That's what it was. It was an outpouring of black life, and those in power constantly, constantly threatened by black life were like, well, no.
00:25:33
Speaker
Why is that black life more important than the white life? Because this white police officer, we saw, we watched it on video. We watched the whole video. Yeah. That's the reason why I became a big deal.
00:25:45
Speaker
Yeah. of this And they still try to say, well, he was on drugs, this and that. No, my man killed him. Derek killed George Floyd. Period. And it's not just about there was emphasis on black life.
00:25:59
Speaker
First of all, we say Black Lives Matter because in this country, systemically, they don't. But not only that, George Floyd, in their mind, wasn't even a Black life worthy of mattering.
00:26:16
Speaker
And so... because we were all so vocal about making sure that his life did matter, that people knew his life mattered, that he was a human being with a family and friends and people who loved him and he did not deserve what happened to him in any way, shape, or form, regardless of how you feel about how he lived his life, who gives a damn. That does not mean...
00:26:48
Speaker
that he was less worthy of having a life. And it is the fact that we are saying that life, regardless of how you feel about him and how he lived or whatever, was worthy of being lived And it was taken away by Derek Chauvin.
00:27:12
Speaker
And he deserves to be punished for that, serve the time commiserate with the the extent of his crime.
00:27:23
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And that's what's killing them the most because they will always find, when it's a Black victim, a mugshot or some, you know, photo that is not flattering because they want to present that image of this is a life that doesn't matter.
00:27:45
Speaker
And so whatever happens to this person, we shouldn't care.
00:27:52
Speaker
And because we push back on that, that's what they... And, and well, nobody won, but and succeeded in finding this person guilty and sentencing him to prison.
00:28:08
Speaker
Damn, boy, can't handle it. Well, justice won, and they're just not used to justice happening for Black folks. and Right, because they don't believe justice is meant for us.
00:28:20
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true i want to explain to everybody who is apathetic that still is is that the word i want sure yeah apathetic to this whole thing like oh yeah i can understand how that's a little messed up but it doesn't affect my day-to-day
00:28:39
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what if people start not empathetic apathetic Yeah, that's why said apathetic. Oh, okay. I thought you said i thought you say empathetic. Never mind. I know empathetic. yeah I know what that is Apathetic. I just wanted to know if i used that word right. But yeah, apathetic. What if we were celebrating Charlotte Kirk's murder?
00:28:56
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What if we were celebrating the, what's his name, Luigi, the guy that killed the health the health care Oh, yeah, United Health Care CEO, yeah. And before people say it but people were celebrating, and I'm just as disgusted as at them as I am at these GOP people.
00:29:13
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Wrong you wrong. And mind you, it was civilians, not elected officials doing this in an official capacity. Right. And elected officials should be held at a higher standard.
00:29:26
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than normal people, but regardless, it's all
Kevin Hart and Comedy's Impact on Society
00:29:29
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trash. yeah So don't jump on here or jump in the comments and say, what about, I already acknowledged that, and I'm saying that's trash too. But the same anger that you have towards them are the same anger that you should have to these elected officials.
00:29:43
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And that's the point I'm trying to make. Yeah. And honestly, if you jump into the comments in defense of these folks, you're a racist. I don't care. Like, you're racist. Yeah. That's it. I don't know i don't have any, but no other notes.
00:30:00
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And I feel bad for the George Floyd family because, like, they can't get out the news. This controversy reflects how George Floyd's death remains one of the most politically and culturally divisive events in modern American history, even six years later. And this is the reason why we are upset at Tony Hitchcliffe to kill Tony for the George Floyd joke at the Kevin Hart roast and upset at Kevin Hart for not standing on business and and and and trying to scapegoat the whole thing as just comedy.
00:30:32
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Yeah. It's a situation where you're not respecting Black lives. That's the reason why we say Black lives matter. kx I can't give it to you any better it than that. i can't give you any better example than that. Here it is.
00:30:47
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Them not giving a moment of silence for George Floyd who was the victim. Right. They gave it to the criminal. A convicted criminal. A man serving time in federal prison.
00:31:02
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What more do you need? What more proof do you need that? If he was so innocent, he would, if y'all are saying the justice system works, if he was so innocent, he'd be free.
00:31:16
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Even if, let's just go with the fact that you say he got an unfair trial. He's had appeals. Unsuccessful, hugely unsuccessful appeals.
00:31:29
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Still locked up. So. Locked up. They won't let him out. Okay? They're not gonna let him out. He doesn't deserve to be out. He's a murderer.
00:31:40
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He's a murderer. And that's just the end of that. And so y'all, again, y'all are deeply weird. Deeply weird. And there is something inherently wrong with you.
00:31:55
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Not, not, but here, let's, let's be clear on this. Yes.
00:32:02
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Inherently, something is wrong with these elected officials that want to do a moment of silence. At the same time, I'm not letting Kevin Hart off the hook again for the second week in a row. Because this is the ish that we are talking about.
00:32:15
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When they minimize a Black life, this man died six years ago. This was the anniversary of his death. And these mother fathers decided to give a moment of silence to his killer.
00:32:32
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That George Floyd joke is not solely about comedy because it means more culturally and to society, not just Black society, to American society, than being funny.
00:32:47
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a I don't agree with the Charlie Kirk joke. I'm not a fan of Charlie Kirk's politics. Don't think that he should have been murdered. Don't like the jokes.
00:32:59
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And I don't like him. but I don't like the jokes. So if you're standing up there and you're trying to give a pass to kill Tony, these GOP lawmakers, and Kevin Hart, you need to take a good, long look at who you are as a person.
00:33:18
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Especially if you consider yourself a Christian. Because I know there's a lot of them Christians out there that is right on. Like, he was on drugs. Especially ah especially people who love who love reading the Old Testament. You got to read them them read the red lines as well. The red the red red ones. The red text as well. You got to read yeah got to read that too. Because damn, I feel like Love Thy Neighbor is not clicking with y'all.
00:33:41
Speaker
No. No. At all. No. I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, I got animated, but this, when I read about this, it really pissed me off. Because I'm like, I've been through this before where they they they just don't respect Black life.
00:33:59
Speaker
You know, I'm in D.C. There was a time, probably about 10 years ago, I used to always read the crime reports because I was just interested. I don't know why. It was just one of my fixations for that particular time.
00:34:11
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And I did. I really took a really hard look at how they present Black criminals and white criminals. And it's completely different. Even the killers for Charlie Kirk and Luigi, when they gave their mug shots, it wasn't, or when they flashed their picture on the news, it wasn't something that would make them look like be in a bad light.
00:34:36
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you Right. right It was a college graduate. Even Dylann Roof, it was a college graduation or it was something in the community or they had regular clothes on. But anytime they show somebody Black, even George Floyd who was killed, they pulled up his mug shots.
00:34:49
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Yeah. The victim. they They will dig and search for a way to invalidate Black life. They will find a way.
00:35:00
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Hell, Trayvon Martin was 16 years old when he was murdered by George Zimmerman. And they tried everything they could. Oh, well, he smoked weed. and That boy would just went to get him some iced tea and some candy, and he was walking in his own neighborhood. But they will try everything, and that's why...
00:35:23
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A lot of us out here don't trust the American news media because y'all will go and really try your best to invalidate Black life.
00:35:35
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Whenever there is and an opportunity or a time where we should be seen you know validly as the victims in these scenarios, you will try to invalidate that at every turn. And it's honestly sickening.
00:35:56
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And like I said, I'm not letting Kevin Hart off the hook. He's part of the problem. When you minimize, I understand that you went to the funeral. I understand that you did a personal phone call to George Floyd's family. i don't give a damn about that. Don't nobody care. Because publicly, publicly, you know, it was a joke. It was a tasteful joke, but it was a joke. No.
00:36:18
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You cut other things. Why didn't you cut that? Exactly. Why was Tony invited in the first place? Well, ah it's a roast. He does roast. He was the exec... Kevin Hart was the executive producer. Yeah.
00:36:35
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I don't. It was his production company. It's his. It was heartbeat production. He don't get a pass. No, he's usually involved in roasts after his showing at that Trump rally. Yeah, he's banned. I'm sorry. He's banned. Like, what are y'all talking about? Yeah.
00:36:53
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And then for him to tell that joke, you've cut other things, but you didn't cut that. That's a choice. That's a choice because you thought it was funny. And then you looked around and wasn't nobody laughing.
00:37:07
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And now you're trying to distance yourself from it instead of taking accountability. But that's not anything new for Kevin Hart. That man runs from accountability like he's running from a tiny dog.
00:37:20
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Maybe he just can't see it. Maybe he just can't see it. He'll run from a little dog. But like, no, he can see it. Maybe he's short. Maybe he can't see accountability. Probably. Yeah.
00:37:31
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Accountability is that you got to be able to see over the counter. is Is that what it is? Yep. Okay. I guess you got to be this tall to ride that ride. But I mean, that's not this. That it to me is not surprising at all.
00:37:48
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That man books it when he sees accountability coming. oh But Jay, guess what? What's up? Here's the uncomfortable part people don't want to talk about.
00:38:02
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Tell me. A moment of silence is supposed to honor somebody. It's supposed to say, this person deserves reflection. This person deserves reverence. This person deserves public sympathy.
00:38:14
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So when you give it to Derek, you're not just making a procedural mistake. You're making a moral statement. George Floyd is dead. Derek is alive.
00:38:24
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George Floyd was the victim. Derek was convicted. And yet somehow, six years later, people are still trying to flip the victim and the villain like America didn't watch the video with its own eyes.
00:38:36
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That's why people get angry at the jokes. That's why people get angry at the political gestures. Because it's never just one comment, one vote, one moment of silence. It is a constant reminder that some people are more committed to protecting the symbolism of authority rather than they are respecting the reality of Black pain.
00:38:58
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and it's not just about politics. It's about decency.
Defining GOAT Status Across Fields
00:39:06
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Now, Jay, after all that heaviness, we need you to cleanse the palate a little bit. Mm-hmm. Because we're going from disrespectful silence to a universal respect.
00:39:17
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And we're going to be talking goats. And that's next.
00:39:25
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All right, Jay. For this last segment, like I said, we're going to raise it up. I was a little heated. I saw something. It's been in my algorithm, and I've seen it probably 100 times.
00:39:38
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Okay. And it's Denzel Washington at a Laker game. It's actually at Crypto Arena, so I guess they were playing the Clippers. But it's still in L.A. or the equivalent or wherever it is, right? this is in California somewhere.
00:39:54
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Denzel, while both teams are warming up, they're on the court shooting their warm-up shots, right? He gets out of his seat. He crosses the court.
00:40:05
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He walks over to LeBron James. LeBron is stretching, doesn't realize what it is. He looks kind of dumbfounded and then sees Denzel. They dap each other up, give each other a hug. Denzel walks back to his seat and sits down.
00:40:18
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Not a security guard, not a player. stop Denzel, that's how much he is revered and loved. That he can walk across... Right. That he can walk across the court yeah and just go dap up LeBron James. And LeBron James, who is globally known, will still be in his presence like, whew, that's Denzel Washington.
00:40:42
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Because it's Denzel Washington. Right. Yes. So it got me thinking. oh Past or present? How many people have that type of universal love and cachet and respect?
00:40:57
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Not The GOAT debate. The greatest of all time. Obviously, Denzel's in that category because he just poop proved it. But I'm going just throw out a couple of names at you, both dead and alive, that I think could fit this as well. Okay.
00:41:12
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Now, i thought long and hard about this, and I wanted to throw Barack Obama in there. But we can't because... Barack Obama is the reason why Donald Trump is in office. He's got so much hate that even those people that hate him can't even give respect. So he's a GOAT to me, but he's not a universal GOAT.
00:41:31
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I I don't think it's his fault. I didn't say it was his fault. The conversation is, is that they are, they have universal respect. They transcend, they transcend the lane, their gift, their talent that they're in. They transcend generation. They transcend politics. They transcend beef and they are just respected.
00:41:55
Speaker
And Obama It's like almost there, but he doesn't crack that list because he's got so much hate towards him that they elected Donald Trump. But we're not going get into that. But, however, i would agree that Barack Obama is not the GOAT because... i write One of the GOATs. This is ah like a top five list.
00:42:18
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Right. Like, I wouldn't believe... i agree that he does not have GOAT status because because I don't... I don't know... So it was important because he was the first Black president. I don't know if he transcended any his lane because president is a pretty big lane.
00:42:40
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he is a celebrity now, too. like Yes. Michelle Obama. Nope. She has a lot of hate, too. So being the GOAT doesn't mean that you are not hated or disrespected.
00:42:58
Speaker
Okay, that's true. That is that you can be the GOAT and still be hated or disrespected. True. martin luther dr Martin Luther King Jr. Not at that time. He is okay No, he was the GOAT then. That was a young man doing he wasn't a go in amazing things and honestly transcended. But he wasn't respected.
00:43:25
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There was a certain group of people... He was absolutely I didn't say that right. there's a There was a certain group of population that did not respect him, that didn't even acknowledge his greatness. Yeah, because the world is full of haters. Right, right, right. So the conversation is about GOAT. Denzel trans... You know...
00:43:45
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Everybody. He walks in a room, there's immediate respect and love. And I really think politicians and activists can't be put in this category because they upset the balance so much. It's really just celebrities, entertainers that can fit into this when I did my when i did my list.
00:44:09
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And it's people universally Tom Hanks. I think beloved is different from greatest of all time. I think... How is Tom Hanks not considered one of the greatest of all time in general?
00:44:24
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If Tom Hanks walks into a a restaurant, everybody stands, and they might even clap like they would Denzel. Because he's famous and beloved, but is he the greatest of all time?
00:44:36
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Oh, how many Oscars is he? Like, my man is a hell of an actor. That's another point. So, yes, I would say in terms of actors,
00:44:47
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The body of work that we got and we have gotten from Denzel Washington absolutely qualifies him as greatest of all time status. But not everybody feels that way because that man had to fight for his life to get recognition from the academy.
00:45:06
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He should have won so many Oscars. Won, but he was always nominated. So there was respect there. They may not have wanted to give it to him, but they had to acknowledge how great he was. That's how he got the nominations. There are times where he didn't get nominated and should have. What times did not get nominated and he should have? right. Just give me some people that you think this fits in. Beyonce?
00:45:33
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Yes.
00:45:36
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i don't Yeah, i don't think any... The only time where she had a little bit of backlash is when she came out with Lemonade. and the And again, i feel like I don't want to confuse being beloved with being the greatest of all time. I don't even want to confuse being respected for being the greatest of all time. No, when we're talking about the greatest of all time, we're not talking about their individual talent. We're talking about their the reverence, the respect that they have.
00:46:06
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The ability to get out of your seat, cross the court, tap LeBron James, and get a hug. There's only a certain amount of people that have that type of ability. Those are the greatest of all time.
00:46:21
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Beyonce, Denzel, Tom Hanks, Betty White. yes I think it's more about their influence. When I think of people being transcendent... Hold on, I just gave you another name. Betty White.
00:46:37
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I. Do you know how important she was to the civil rights movement? Back in the day, Betty White was hugely important and beloved throughout her entire career, so much so that when she died, it was damn near and a national day of mourning.
00:47:00
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I just think we... That's true. And don't nobody love Betty White like I love Betty White. So let's not even... We're not even gonna go there. Okay. Because I do... Because it seemed like you was trying not to agree with me. I think we have different definitions of what a goat is. Well, I gave you the definition. I gave you the parameters which... gave you no definition. I gave you the parameters of which this game is being judged on.
00:47:21
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Okay, so we're just talking about people who are love beloved and nobody is universally respected. it's not just not just beloved. just well Look, they transcend their lane. They transcend what they do. They transcend their generation. They transcend politics. They transcend beef.
00:47:40
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Denzel is the pinnacle. Like, we could point to him and say, he's a GOAT right now. You know who else might be a GOAT right now? Michael B. Jordan might be becoming a GOAT because of his influence. Look... No, no, it's not that. I'm just disappointed in him lately.
00:47:57
Speaker
Well, what do you do lately? No, it's it's not even a big deal. It's just like a He's dating Khloe Kardashian right now. And I'm just like, yeah, saw pictures of them out holding hands and everything. And it's just like, lord yikes, you know? So it's like, oh man, like, he doesn't have to find his Michelle Obama, but like, can you look for her?
00:48:24
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he did. He had her. She broke his heart. who are you talking about? it And I know it's not Lori Harvey. Yes. no I mean, she wasn't Michelle Obama, but exactly. he he had, he had, he had that.
00:48:39
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No, he had, he had a very attractive young woman that, but I would not consider Lori Harvey. ah Yes. She's not Michelle Obama. You're right. But I'm saying Michael B. Jordan equal, but Michael B. Jordan, look, the, the,
00:48:57
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People were damn near in tears when he won both the awards, the Actors' Awards and the Oscars. Because deserved them. yeah I mean, everybody, everybody was like, no. Even people that I talk to that are, I talk to them because they're clients of mine. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, they're clients. That are bigoted. Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:19
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I don't say that they're a racist because they don't really have any power. That's the major difference. But they feed into white supremacy, so I don't care. Love Michael B. Jordan. They talk about Just Mercy and and the movie where he was ah a soldier, and they talk about Rocky. like he's That was a couple movies. Yeah, look, he could he could go from Wallace.
00:49:41
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He can go from the little kid to hardballs. to To Smoke and Stack, universally loved. He's right underneath.
00:49:51
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He's underneath, let me be clear, but he's on that trajectory to being a Denzel. He can't cross the court just yet, but he gonna be there if he keeps going on the path that he's going.
00:50:02
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I think he's well-known enough that he could cross the court. No, um I think they're gonna stop him. i think I think he's well-known enough that he could cross the court. The only people that I think cross the court would be Denzel and Jack Nichols.
00:50:16
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Yeah. I don't even know if Taylor Swift and Beyonce could truly cross the court. Beyonce could cross the court. know that. Beyonce could anything. don't know that. Beyonce can cross. it There is no world in which Beyonce Knowles-Carter is stopped.
00:50:34
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right. Okay. So give me some of your goats because I didn't give you a lot of mine. I do believe that Michelle Obama has goat status. I believe that she took what it meant to be a first lady and like Eleanor Roosevelt, elevated it, took it to the next level, has become beloved and respected in her own right for her mind, for who she is as a person, her character. i definitely think she's influential across generations.
00:51:09
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ah i I definitely think that she's there. For sure. so she could cross the court. Barack can also cross the court. that Yes, he's a former president. Yeah, that isn't... Right. That's the reason why he could cross the court, right? yeah Because he's so president. Okay.
00:51:24
Speaker
I just feel like there are people who don't respect... her intelligence. And that's part of... That's because they're racist. Right. And sexist. Right. At the same time. I think that even racists will say ah Denzel Washington's great actor.
00:51:45
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I don't care about the opinions of racists. This is what I'm talking about universal. and This is what I'm saying when I say go-ish. But this is what I'm saying when I say universal. like Like, even your haters have to acknowledge, I mean, I don't like ah like when when Like LeBron James. People say I'm a LeBron James hater.
00:52:03
Speaker
I'm not a LeBron James hater. I just think Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time. Yes, Michael Jordan is the GOAT. Right. And I think that LeBron tries too hard to try to be the GOAT. And when you are something, you don't have to tell people what you are. I say that all the time.
00:52:17
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Yes. But Michael Jordan is trying transcended basketball. Yes, in ways that LeBron has not.
00:52:29
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Right. But I would say LeBron has been more impactful to cultural progression than Michael Jordan ever was. Not cultural impact, cultural progression. He's on the front lines to... They stopped playing when George Floyd was murdered.
00:52:48
Speaker
I would also put like Dwayne Wade in there. Yeah, would, but he's not as big. He's not as well known as LeBron James. Yeah. Like he's not mean, you got Rihanna at the game constantly yelling out LeBron James, like it even was a lyric in a song. Like, yeah. So it's not the same thing. It's hard to rep Dwayne Wade. That's hard to.
00:53:12
Speaker
But Michael Jordan is GOAT status. Not just in basketball, but in life. He's somebody that could cross that court. And... and and Ain't nobody gonna say nothing. Ain't nobody gonna say anything. I'm trying to think of another athlete that could do that. There's probably a soccer player that I don't know about that could probably do it. yeah. Maybe Messi.
00:53:32
Speaker
Lionel Messi, for sure. Cristiano Ronaldo,
Consolidating GOAT Lists and Reflecting on Influence
00:53:35
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well-known. Like, definitely. ah Yeah, definitely. Who else could... I want to think of some more females because you always accuse me. What what about the females? And I got to think of some more females. Hmm. That's tough, though. Sorry. It is. Universally like respected. Hmm.
00:53:55
Speaker
I would say, i would say if we're talking about actors that, oh God. Meryl Streep. Meryl Streep, yes. Meryl Streep as goat status. mar Meryl Streep as goat status, yeah. The body of work that she's given, her acting itself is transcendent. Like like her acting itself transcendent. And people probably don't even know what her best movie is.
00:54:20
Speaker
What is your opinion or her best movie? you know what my You know what my favorite Meryl Streep movie is. I don't.
00:54:31
Speaker
The movie with my man Alan Brooks. Oh, Defending Your Life. Yes. Defending Your Life is my favorite Beryl Streep movie. And if y'all never seen it, just watch it. The concept of the movie is fantastic, but we're not going detour. We're going to stay. my Mine is going to be Death Becomes Her, but okay.
00:54:49
Speaker
I feel Defending Your Life, too. Yes, for sure. For sure. I want to say Dave Chappelle might be ghost status. ah Certainly Eddie Murphy is. Yes. Eddie Murphy. Okay. You're right. I chose the wrong comedian. Eddie Murphy can absolutely cross any court.
00:55:06
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he could Matter of fact, I want to say that most people would cross the court to see him. Yeah. He doesn't get up. He doesn't have to get up. So the question does, the question becomes, if you see Denzel Washington sitting in the seat and you see Eddie Murphy sitting in the seat and you're crossing over to the court to go shake one of their hands, who do you go to first?
00:55:31
Speaker
That's a... That's an impossible question. No, you don't. No, that's an impossible question. no it's not impossible. It is impossible. I'm going to Eddie. I'm going to Eddie. Here's the thing. I'm going to Denzel first. And the reason why is because I believe Eddie would go to Denzel.
00:55:52
Speaker
No, Eddie wouldn't go to anybody. Eddie was sitting in his seat. I believe Eddie would get up and go... and He wouldn't walk far. He wouldn't walk far. If Denzel was close, I think Eddie would go and say, what's up to Denzel? Honestly, I think they would get up and meet each other halfway.
00:56:11
Speaker
So it's kind of like, I don't, I don't know. i don't know. I think I found one politician, but it didn't happen until the end of his life. yeah that reached ghost status, and that's Jimmy Carter. At the end of his life, even people that were completely against his politics said to themselves, I didn't i didn't agree with him on his politics, but that was a hell of a man that, to this yeah till he couldn't do it anymore, was out there helping people. He might be the only politician that that this country has ever, at their death, just been like, yeah, you know what?
00:56:45
Speaker
That was a good man. Respect. with respect Yeah, respect. So Jimmy Carter got to hit ghost status. Probably. yeah a i can't pick a I can't think of nobody else. well Okay, so we done going on and on. Just give me your top five, because I already gave you my top five. It's Denzel.
00:57:01
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hu It's Betty White. behe is is I put Eddie Murphy in there. I just now put Eddie Murphy in there. I put Jimmy Carter in there.
00:57:11
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her And Beyonce. so So this is living or dead. Living or dead. GOAT status. GOAT status.
00:57:22
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Michael Jackson.
00:57:25
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There are still people right now because of this movie that's talking about. What about the accusations? Michael Jackson is the only person that I know who couldn't go to a Laker game.
00:57:39
Speaker
You're right about that. Everybody else. You're right about that. You're right. You're right. Sit there courtside. I got to kick Eddie out. Put Michael in. You're right. Michael, he is that influential. You're right.
00:57:51
Speaker
You're right. guy Goat status. Goat status. Yeah, it's going to be um Martin Luther King. Okay. ah The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, for sure.
00:58:02
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ah Obviously, goat. Now, now, in death, yeah he became a goat. ah Well, he was the goat in life. It's just whether or everybody recognized it. But was and the reason he's the goat now and has been the goat... and is in First of all, you're in history books...
00:58:26
Speaker
It's true. Well, there's a of people. There's a lot of people in history books. Jefferson Davis is in history books. Right. There's a lot of people in history books. But when we think of civil rights, you right we think of the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King. So if we want to talk about celebrities living
00:58:47
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that reach ghost status in my mind.
00:58:51
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Or just anybody. They don't have to necessarily be celebrities. just Yeah, ah Denzel's on there. Meryl Streep is on there.
00:59:03
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Trying to think sports. Yeah, Tom Hanks is is, he's not in my top five, but he's on the list. Michael Jordan is the biggest sports star, I think. Of all time. Nope.
00:59:16
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Muhammad Ali. But he didn't become a goat till he got sick. He was the GOAT, but he wasn't universally beloved until he got sick.
00:59:27
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yeah Right. But he's GOAT status as well. Look, we didn't change. This top five, we just go paul call it a top 10 and merge them together. Yeah. And and and maybe it's going to end up being 12. Yeah.
00:59:38
Speaker
But we had to put some more women in there. We ain't got enough women. Serena Williams, to me. Okay, to you. Because, no, they could, first of all, not just an outstanding tennis player, but really changed the face of the game. Her and Venus changed the face of the game and who a tennis player could be and what they could look like. And what...
01:00:09
Speaker
what a woman, a black woman as a tennis player, how she could present as strong as, as, as fierce. I think when she gets older,
01:00:20
Speaker
and gets towards the end she'll be be beloved she just talked about coming out of retirement and the hate that's coming out that means she isn't celebrated when michael jordan came back to the wizards people's like man why are you gonna ruin that but people still came out to come see him are people gonna still come out to come see serena these are own arguments that's it people are gonna come out to see serena and okay then there where's tiger in that
01:00:46
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Tiger, he he lost me with the Capacablation thing.
GOATs in Sports and Cultural Influence
01:00:54
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Let him acknowledge all the ethnicities that are inside of him.
01:00:58
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Okay, yeah, that's fine. But it's just like, this is still America, my guy. And you ah don't want people to see you as just a Black man, but...
01:01:11
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This is America. True. Race is a construct. But not acknowledging his mother. Like, you don't want him to acknowledge his mother? He's not the only biracial athlete out there.
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No, he's surely not. Every Jalen in the NBA is biracial. Yes. Except for Jalen Rose. Naomi Osaka. Yeah. Let's wrap this up. This is going long. Just give me your tops.
01:01:38
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Right now. You got MJ. That was my top. You got MJ. You got Martin Luther. You got Serena. You had Meryl Streep. Michael Jordan was on there. and you got Michael Jordan. That's your five? So Denzel is not on there.
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Denzel is? on That's what I'm saying. i don't these ah It's in no particular order for me. like Well, that was six, though. You gave me six. There was a person I just thought of, and I lost it.
01:02:06
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Well, sounds about right. I forgot about Nelson Mandela. Like, there's so many people. Okay. I don't know. I don't know that I can narrow down to five. That's the reason why said, ladies gentlemen, I changed the top five to Bruce and Jay's top 15.
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but infinity Yeah. What do y'all think? Y'all drop a line in the comment section and and tell us what y'all think. But Jay, before I do my closing monologue about this particular segment, what do you want to tell the people about?
01:02:38
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out there. i don't know what you're going to tell them about, but what do you want tell the people out there? I don't know. ain't got nothing. You don't got nothing? Yeah. I mean, listen and we talk about the GOAT debate. I think because the acronym...
01:02:56
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is like its own word that people forget it means greatest of all time. And too many times people are throwing the word goat around for people who are mean a lot to you. And that's great. Like, like,
01:03:13
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you have an affinity or a respect or whatever for somebody, but that doesn't mean that this person has become an integral part of the culture, that they have had influence and impact, that they're the greatest of all time. Y'all are throwing that word, that acronym around too liberally. Yeah, that is true.
01:03:37
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Yeah. Yeah, all right. But, Jay... Here's the uncomfortable part people don't want to talk about. Being great is not the same thing as being universally respected.
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plenty Plenty of people are talented. Plenty of people are successful. Plenty of people have numbers, awards, money, influence, and fans. But universal respect is different.
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Universal respect means even people who do not like your lane still recognize your greatness. That's why Denzel's moment hits differently. That is him getting that kind of love.
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That means something. That's why certain names rise ah rise above debates, above errors, above algorithms, above my generation versus your generation.
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The real GOAT conversation is not just about stats. It's not about presence. It's about impact. freedom It's about whether the culture pauses when you walk in.
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Because the highest level of greatness is not when the fans defend you. cycle stays the same It's when even the haters have to stand still and acknowledge you. Ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank you for listening.
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I want to thank you for watching. And until next time, as always, I'll holler.
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