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Speaker: If you click this podcast episode, it is most likely for one of three options. One, you either like movies. Two, you like men in tights.
Speaker: Or three, you like movies about men in tights. If that's you, then today's your lucky day. Welcome back to Lost in the Frame. My name is Malik. My name is Tachi.
Speaker: And today we're discussing not one, but two Robin Hood movies. That's right. But we are missing one of our merry men today. Sure. an Miss you, Alex. Alex is international. He's an international boy, but he will be back next week for next week's episode.
Speaker: So we got me and T-Money today. How's it going, Tachi? It's going right. How you? I'm good. Ready to talk about these two episodes. Riveting yeah Robin Hood movies and we'll discuss everything Robin Hood today. um Before we get into and that, we have a little bit of movie news, no rapid reviews, but I did want to talk to a little bit about my experience this last Monday.
Speaker: Okay. at What happened? At the Emmys. Oh, yes, please. Because I haven't really talked to you like in detail about it. Yeah, I don't know much. Yeah. So please like spill everything.
Speaker: Okay. How'd you get there? What was it like? Everything. So I signed up to be a seat filler for the Emmys, which is, as the name implies, you're filling in seats for people that either didn't show up or they go to the bathroom. You want the audience to look full on camera for the live broadcast.
Speaker: So they hire two to 300 people. hire quote unquote bills for free um to fill in seats. And so that's exactly what I did. um It was an experience.
Speaker: It was insanely cool. It was crazy to just like be in that room. um so like starting off when I get there, we're like, we park in a parking lot and then we're waiting outside for a little bit.
Speaker: um And then they walk us to the Peacock Theater. Once we get there, we're kind of like in this hallway. You know the Jennifer Hudson show or like clips when like people are along the little hallway. They're dancing. Yeah. And then people are coming down. yeah So we're in a hallway like that before we're in the actual like auditorium.
Speaker: And like 15 minutes into it, like celebrities start coming down. And so it kind of feels like the Jennifer Hudson show. Like we're like clapping and stuff like that. was just like, oh, shit. didn't think we're going be like this close to them, like right off the bat.
Speaker: I had my phone out. So they told us to put our phones away. We were allowed to have our phones. They told us to have them off when we're in the auditorium, but I had it on me when I'm in the hallway. And so I started a list of who passed by and who I saw before we got into the auditorium, but it got to be so much that i just stopped ah to kick it off. Nicole Kidman.
Speaker: Nice. AMC Queen just passed right by. right. Yeah. Io Ed Abiri from The Bear. Amy Poehler. Dan Levy, Stephen Colbert, Martin Short, Steve Martin, Brenda Song, Macaulay Culkin, Jon Hamm, many others. And then the last one I left off on was Florence Pugh before I put my phone away because was like, I can't do this anymore. um So what was it like seeing these people? like how How do their real life looks...
Speaker: Compared to their screen looks. Dude, it's. Are they unbelievable? or Yes. So many of these people are just like so handsome, so beautiful. Like i I walked past Charles Melton at some point in the night and I was like his jaw like almost cut me.
Speaker: i It was like I was walking down the aisle. This was during a commercial break. And I'm walking down the aisle and Charles Mountain passes me and I went, holy shit, that guy is handsome. And then Kaylee Spaney passed me and I went, oh my God. It's like nearly like buckled like in the aisle.
Speaker: It's crazy. They like, us awesome everyone is just like so much more beautiful in person. Hmm. That's great. Good for them. Yeah. I'm so happy for all of them. But it was just really cool to be like in the room.
Speaker: um As the night went on, I got like a little closer and closer to the stage. I didn't sit with anyone that like I knew the The highest person that I knew was towards the end of the night who had a, this guy has a small role in the Apple TV so show Shrinking.
Speaker: That was the only person I knew. ah majority of the time i was actually sitting with like the costume design team for the show called The Gilded Age, which was pretty cool. um Yeah, man.
Speaker: It was crazy. i mean, I saw Zendaya, Chase Infinity. That's so crazy. Literally like everybody. gary oldman i don't it was it was nuts like and it felt like and it just felt so after a while it just felt so like normal i'm like this is literally just like a work event for these people right and everyone just looks great and this is what they do and i'm like how do i keep coming to these things not as a seat filler we got to make this happen right that's so cool how wait how close are you to the stage
Speaker: Uh, so the very front were a bunch of tables. i don't know if you saw like the broadcast, but the very front were tables. I know some seat fillers who got to be at the tables for a little bit. I didn't get there cause it's random. Um, but I was towards the end of the night, a few rows behind the tables, but for a majority of it, I was more in the middle of the crowd. So it was probably like cam was trying to like spot me like in the broadcast all night, but I don't think, I don't think the camera like panned over to where I was, but I mean, I was in a pretty good spot where I'm just like, like, Clearly, like, everyone's, like, right here. can and Just everywhere I looked, there was someone.
Speaker: That's nuts. That's so cool. I'm really glad you got that experience. Yeah, it was it was really cool. um I almost shoulder-checked Tim Robinson. Like, I kind of, like, almost got in his way, but he had two drinks. And I went, oh, sorry. and he's like, he's like, all good, all good.
Speaker: And then um as we're walking to our seat, you don't watch Survivor, do you? I've seen of it. ah I've seen bits and pieces. Seen of it? Yeah. um Cam and I have been big on Survivor for like the last year, but the host, Jeff Probst, um as I'm walking to my seat, like I'm in the middle, he's in his seat right here, and then he's trying to get to the right side where the tables were, and he was trying to get to like someone that was over there.
Speaker: So he crossed right in front of me, and I didn't expect him, and I literally went, hey, Jeff, and he went, hey, like that, and then just kept walking, and I was like, hey.
Speaker: And that was the only person I like, like actually like spoke to. It was mainly just like people watching on steroids, but the best people watching you could ask for. So did that just come out of you? Like you weren't even ready to say that? wasn't ready to say it. No.
Speaker: Cause he passed, it was literally like four inches in front of me. So I just went, Hey Jeff. And he went, Hey, like that, just like real quick, like looked at me, did that with his hand and then continued walking.
Speaker: And I just like, that's nuts. Yeah. Yeah. We're definitely going to try to be seat fillers for the Oscars. Okay. That would be great. That would be really cool.
Speaker: That's the dream. Yeah. So fingers crossed. Well, the dream is to be invited. Yes. I want to be in a good seat. See the red carpet. And not move. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.
Speaker: Yeah. But it was awesome. It was surreal. Nice. All right. Let's get into some movie news. We got just a couple pieces of movie news, and then we'll get into today's movies. um I put the pictures here since, again, you are a banned from Elon Musk's website. So I don't know if you got a chance to look at these. But this is the first look at Emma Mackey as...
Speaker: Jadis in Greta Gerwig's Narnia. So those that aren't aware, Greta Gerwig does have a Chronicles of Narnia movie set to release next February, and we got some first-look images today. So I implore you to go look at those if you're interested.
Speaker: what do you think of this picture when you see it? It looks... So looking at the first one. It looks interesting. It's very... i don't know, fantastical...
Speaker: I don't think eclectic is the right word. Maybe it is. It might be. i think that's a good description. But it's like very... Can't really tell what's going on. The background is ethereal, but the foreground is like very science-y, like sci-fi-ish. Yeah.
Speaker: know what i mean? Yeah. I think is jada Jadis, Jadis, is she the white witch? I believe so, yeah. Okay, so Emma Mackey is the white witch. And she's wearing this like silver knight dress almost with some silver like knee high boots.
Speaker: It almost looks like armor. Almost. I feel like it is. And then we also got our first look at Aslan on the cover of Empire magazine and then found out he will be voiced or they will be voiced. She voiced by Meryl Streep.
Speaker: Oh. Yeah. All right. Interesting. i don't know. It's it's too early to for me to form an opinion, I would say. Right.
Speaker: But I will say Greta Gerwig does have a really positive reputation, and yes I will trust her creative process. I do i will, too.
Speaker: But Aslan looks interesting. Not very lion-ish. Yeah, I don't know if this is like a final look or what is this? I haven't read the books. I've been meaning to.
Speaker: But um in this in the the movie franchise that came out 20 years ago, was just a straight up lion. 20 years ago? it was 20 years ago.
Speaker: The Lion of Witch the Wardrobe, I think, came out in 05. Jesus Christ, that's crazy. Yeah, we're old. Yeah. um But yeah, he's got like multicolored whiskers on this poster, multicolored eyes, and looks like more than for... Almost like kind of looks like.
Speaker: Scales? Scales, if you will. Yeah. i don't know. Interesting. Interesting. I am interested to see her. It also looks like thread-y like fabric. Oh, it does.
Speaker: That's neat. Hmm. Sorry. What were you going Uh, yeah, just that I agree with you. i like Greta Gerwig and excited to see what this is. Um, I read the Narnia books when I was younger.
Speaker: and don't remember them at all. So I've got no stake in this. I don't care if they're not faithful to the adaptation. i don't know. We'll, we'll see.
Speaker: All right. Yeah, we will. ah Next bit of news, Zack Kreger's Resident Evil, which comes out today, the 17th, debuts with 98% on Rotten Tomatoes, the highest rated video game movie of all time.
Speaker: So big stuff. Yeah. You're excited for it. I'm very excited for it. I've been pretty hooked since the first teaser trailer. Yeah. Like the the legs coming out of the doorway. It looks really cool.
Speaker: Yeah. And Austin Abrams was awesome in in weapons. And so I'm on board with like anything. Yeah. He's going to do. Hopefully we get to talk about it a little bit. I know we don't have a dedicated episode ah to Resident Evil this month. So hopefully by the time we record next, we have all seen it and then maybe get to talk about it a little bit because I'm also excited to watch it.
Speaker: Yeah, sure. I think it'll be good. Unlike this next movie we're about to discuss. Ready to get into it? ah Let's get into it.
Speaker: Our Robin Hood themed episode begins with a conversation on Paul Greengrass's The Uprising. Synopsis reads this. The leader of a ferocious rebellion against the tyranny of King Richard II forms an army of the people to face the king's might in a fight for justice.
Speaker: This is starring Andrew Garfield, Jamie Bell, Stephen Delane, Tom Hollander, and Cosmo Jarvis. Tachi will read our five-star for our Letterboxd Love Like Loathe. I'll read the three, and then we both will read one-star of our choosing.
Speaker: Yes. So this five star comes in from Dahlia. This is what the Odyssey wished it could be.
Speaker: That's a real review by, I think, a real person.
Speaker: You know what we got to do? I got to see the I got to see the top four. OK, that's high praise for this movie. I'll look it up while you do your three star. OK, today's three star comes from Denver.
Speaker: Me when it's 1381 and I'm a priest with a low taper fade.
Speaker: I did notice that, and it was it was distracting. um A little bit. Yeah. Jamie Bell's character as the priest had ah a notable haircut, a modern haircut.
Speaker: Indeed. I would say. So Dahlia's top four favorites on Letterboxd, Hidden Figures. haven't seen it, so I don't know. I don't know either. a Rebel Without a Cause, Dead Poets Society, and It's a Wonderful Life.
Speaker: Very interesting. So pretty good movies from what I'm aware of. I've seen three ah two of them. um
Speaker: i'm I'm not really understanding where the Odyssey comparison comes in is coming from. Yeah. yeah But oh well. i I may not agree, but I love movies for the sheer fact that The Uprising can be someone's favorite movie of the year.
Speaker: That's why there's me I don't understand. There's a market for everything, no matter how questionable it may be. It's crazy. Spoiler, I don't think it sounds like we don't like this movie. I think we've made that abundantly clear so far. but let's Let's hear um some other reviews or one star reviews.
Speaker: Okay, let's do it. and So this comes in from Ill Guitar. This is actually one and a half stars.
Speaker: At first I thought it was a MAGA fever dream, then a leftist one. Then the camera was just shaking and shaking until I started puking everywhere and the guy next to me smelled it and he was like, why'd you do it? And he started puking, but I couldn't answer because I was still locked onto the screen, my brains rattling out my ears like maracas, puke made up of things I hadn't even eaten yet, shooting from my nostrils, burning sour molten fire I'd smelled for a thousand years.
Speaker: Still, Paul swung the camera like a fast pitch softball player, trying to get his ex-wife back. Just one more out and she's mine around and around and around. By this point, my tongue was dragging on the carpet and I'd forgotten my name, but still i couldn't look away.
Speaker: Like AI made Assassin's Creed into a star tours ride. And now is R2D2 beeping and whirring and short skirting short circuiting, excuse me, begging Paul to never stop chucking the camera down the muddy fields like a roll with the boys on league night.
Speaker: One more strike and it's a Turkey Paul. Who's a Turkey. God knows. Certainly not me. Wow.
Speaker: Beautiful analysis. Truly. Mine is the exact opposite of what you just read. This half star is from KT Sabi.
Speaker: Can any history majors tell me what the historical accuracy of a priest having a low taper fade in 1381 is?
Speaker: i just, I don't know how they get short hair. They don't have like, i mean, maybe they have razors, but. can't that sharp. Well, they can, you can get short hair, but I think the issue is the fade.
Speaker: It's like, if we look at my hair right here, it's a little thicker right there and it fades. Were they, so were they given low taper fades in in the 1300s is the question on everyone's mind.
Speaker: I don't know. maybe Maybe Paul knows something that we don't. I'm sure he does. Speaking of Paul, Mr. Paul Greengrass, did you take a look at his filmography? Yeah, and it's not bad. It's not.
Speaker: So I'm kind of confused what happened here. this is This is a guy. he is a dude who's got yu some good movies.
Speaker: um Admittedly, I have not seen any of the Bourne movies, the Jason Bourne movies. Similar to 007, those are the two agents where i have I have not ventured into into those movies.
Speaker: I heard they're good. I trust they are. But they are Paul Greengrass's movies I've seen, Captain Phillips, The Lost Bus, United 93, and now The Uprising.
Speaker: Besides not counting The Uprising, out of those three, i like them. I didn't hate The Lost Bus. I like The Lost Bus, I think, the least. um But a very capable filmmaker.
Speaker: But how do you feel about Paul Greengrass overall since I think you've seen the Bourne movies? Yeah, I've seen the Bourne movies. i haven't seen the fourth one, but he he directed second and third of the original trilogy, and I really like those. Granted, I did watch them when I was like 10 years old, so maybe I'm due for a revisit and I may feel differently, but...
Speaker: I remember being really entertained and that they were relatively well made and well received. Yeah. I mean, definitely makes a name for himself to helm this trilogy. And so you would think coming into a movie like this, I don't know, there'd be a bit more, uh, cohesion.
Speaker: Just, I don't know. Maybe cohesion. Yeah. Maybe, maybe that's not the right word.
Speaker: It was just technically not good. Not good for the eyes or my brain. um I had a lot of trouble
Speaker: like
Speaker: staying in my seat and not leaving. Did you get up? I wanted to. Okay. this Yeah. Yeah. i um I also did.
Speaker: i also wanted to like get up. Here's the thing. I don't get up to go to the bathroom during the movies. like I never do. i was bored to tears with this movie.
Speaker: And... I had to pee so bad in the last 30 minutes. Like, I think the worst I've ever had to pee my life. I don't know what happened. Like, I drank a bunch of water that day or something like that, but, like, I felt like I was gonna burst. But I was like, this movie's about to end. I can't i can't stand up and go. I was, like, cramping.
Speaker: So, like, the experience of the movie is, like, I'm bored as shit and then waiting for it to end. And at the same time, I'm dealing with this, like... with like my so my bladder about to explode.
Speaker: I was like... it was It was quite literally torture in more ways than one. Yeah, that sounds unpleasant. It was very unpleasant, but that just speaks to like I won't get up, like even if your movie is killing me.
Speaker: I respect that. i'll so I'll stay and finish, but yeah, this ah his movie was just dull. let's Let's talk about what went wrong. so I'll admit I missed maybe the first couple minutes. Okay. The first thing I see when I'm walking to my seat is the evil soldiers that are like checking women under their dress. That was crazy hand movement. if they're still.
Speaker: Yeah, i don't I'm sorry. um i don't know what they were checking for, but it wasn't good. Yeah. Whatever they were doing. And then ah the uprising starts.
Speaker: Immediately. Yeah, the really quick. Yeah, the the way he goes from zero to 10, was just like, unbelievable. that I hate this already. All you missed in the beginning was a some words on the screen talking about how the Black Plague has killed half the population. And then we see intercuts of Andrew Garfield, obviously sad because he probably lost his family.
Speaker: And to make sure they drive that point home, we see him looking at three crosses and then him waking up in bed alone and feeling the other side and being like, damn, there used to be someone here, but now there's not. And then the words are like, the Black Plague killed everybody. And then Heng is looking real solemn. And then it jumps to that scene of the of them starting to collect the debts. in a little village.
Speaker: Yeah. Or I guess there's a there's a little scene before that of them, of the council, of like the king's council deciding who they're going tax. they talk about taxing the church and they're like no we can't do that they talk about taxing like the middle class like nah we can't do that they're like the peasants and they're like oh fuck yeah yeah we can debt peasants yeah we can tax them for sure and then that's that's when that starts um but yeah it goes zero to ten for the uprising Yeah, he just starts out by headbutting a guy with a steel helmet.
Speaker: Yeah. The guy that he headbutts is the one that recoils and is damaged by that. Which is crazy. It's a little crazy. There are many cases of that in this movie where like, I know we needed to suspend our disbelief, but like,
Speaker: Where did this farmer learn these moves? mic How to fight. Yeah. I don't know. i I don't know if this is the same scene, but I think he grabs a sword and like uses it to pull back onto his soldier's throat. yeah But his hand is totally fine. yeah His bare hand is just like gripping the sword blade and...
Speaker: you know, not getting cut. Yeah. I don't remember if it's that specific scene, but that does happen in this movie. And I was, uh, impressed. but I was not impressed. You can do that. when When things like that happen in a movie that's supposed to be grounded.
Speaker: Cause this wasn't like a fantastical retelling of of Robin hood. Like, this is not a skilled fighter. Yeah. um He's just a a plowman.
Speaker: That's his name. Yeah. The plowman is literally plowman. So this movie is and isn't Robin Hood movie. which is a little confusing. There are true events that happened in this movie.
Speaker: The Peasants' Revolt in the 1300s was a very real thing that happened. um And then the King Richard thing. Yes, yeah. The King Richard, 14-year-old king, did the whole betrayal. like All of that is true. like All of that happened, which I think is really interesting. I think that's an interesting story.
Speaker: What the movie did in the weeks leading up to its release, because I don't think it was getting a lot of buzz leading up to this. um Side note, were you excited at all for this movie? did No. Did you see any marketing for it leading up to Not even a little bit.
Speaker: It was very I not hear less. Yes, same. And I think they knew that too. So a few weeks before the movie released, they changed the name of the movie from The Uprising to The Uprising, which The story actually make make sure I get this correct.
Speaker: They changed it to.
Speaker: The uprising, the rise of Robin Hood. And everyone went, everyone went, hold up. This is a Robin Hood movie. And then they were like, yes.
Speaker: And then they backtracked and then they took away. They're like, it's not a Robin Hood movie. So they were obviously very confused with this. there's It was a whole marketing disaster. And I remember I was like, I remember seeing the tweet about it. I was like, has this always been a Robin Hood movie?
Speaker: And then I was driving down the street and there's actually an uprising ah billboard down the road. So was like, let me go take a picture to see if it says the uprising, the story of Robin Hood or whatever I said. It didn't. So it was like a last ditch effort to think that maybe that would garner interest in this. Right.
Speaker: It seems like it did not. It did not, no. And everything in this movie is pointing the other direction of it making of it being a Robin Hood movie. like This is supposed to be the origin.
Speaker: um don't know. How did you feel about Andrew Garfield in this?
Speaker: Literally, like, nothing.
Speaker: I think there was like maybe one scene where I thought, oh, that was pretty nice. i like this. Can you recall what that scene was? I wish I could.
Speaker: um Didn't leave a mark. But I can't. Yeah.
Speaker: I don't know. i
Speaker: i think it's just one of those things where they they did the best with what they were given. Yeah. But clearly there was an issue with the entire production with what the story really is and how to market it.
Speaker: And is this a story worth telling? I think it could be, but. I think it could be too. Like the, this whole peasants revolt. I think I've never heard of that. I think that's right a really cool story to tell. But unfortunately I think it's lacking in pretty much every department. Like I don't like the use of the shaky cam.
Speaker: It's. Oh, that was the biggest sin of all. The way that this movie was shot.
Speaker: i don't I don't know if I've ever been so angry in a movie before. It actually pissed me off more than Lee Cronin's The Mummy. No way. like it It felt like a a high schooler was filming this movie, had a limitless budget, because some of the sets were actually pretty nice. I did like the sets.
Speaker: I liked the costumes. And that's kind of where my praise ends, because the rest was like a crime. for my eyes.
Speaker: I hated it. It pissed me off. It was so distracting. The constant zoom ins, the constant outs. I hated the zoom ins, yeah. Like, what are we doing? Yeah. It was so ugly.
Speaker: I agree. I think this movie is shot terribly. i can appreciate that they tried to do something different for a period piece, because I can't say I've seen a movie like set in this time that incorporated a shaky cam in that way.
Speaker: right I think it was just excessive. It just did not it did not work for me. like i saw I was reading a lot of the One Star reviews that called that out specifically, and I agree. It was nauseating. I was like, it was enough.
Speaker: Get me on a tripod, please, someone. Put the camera down. It was unbelievable shakiness and unbelievable amounts of zoom when there didn't need to be zoom. Yeah. Just crash zooms everywhere.
Speaker: Yeah. I liked Cosmo Jarvis in this. I do think I enjoyed his character. um i enjoy him as an actor. i think he did the best out of what he was given for sure. i'm out of the main Out of the main cast.
Speaker: He was my favorite performance in this to sing some praises for it. Yeah, I could agree with that. um i I agree with you with the sets and the costumes. Those are also good shot on location. It seemed like for a lot of it, which is always appreciated for sure. Right.
Speaker: How do you feel about the king? So annoying. i I felt like I, I don't know. I didn't fall asleep. I don't know if I like mentally dozed off, but the line of him being like a little whiny baby this like tyrannical like schemer.
Speaker: i was like, wait, where did the change happen? Because the first few scenes we see him, he's just like whining and crying and he can't like, he can't pick himself up to be king of this kingdom.
Speaker: Did you feel the same? Yes. And I don't know if it it was intentional. um I would be surprised if that was... like intentional for him to surprise the audience in such a manner because, and I don't know if he was directed to be this way, but I don't think I've ever seen someone so expressionless in a movie before.
Speaker: Yes. It was just so flat. Very. Like he never moved his eyebrows. He, he just couldn't emote at all.
Speaker: It was... Like, not once. Yeah. Could I tell what emotion he was feeling? And this is... ah He's played by Woody Norman. um I've only seen him in 2021's Come On, Come On. He plays the kid alongside Joaquin Phoenix, which he's really good in that movie. um I think one of his earlier roles, he's... Yeah.
Speaker: How old is that? 14? So what happened? Just bad direction, I feel. Like... I didn't know, I just didn't know like what was right from left. For like this whole movie, it was just very, like, okay, we're gonna go here, then now we gotta go here, and then this has to happen, and let's have a conversation here, and a weird like love plotline between Andrew Garfield and the Thomas and Mackenzie character that went nowhere. i don' Went nowhere, I felt nothing. yeah
Speaker: They also had like maybe one scene together? Just like a couple besides just like looking at each other from afar.
Speaker: There's not much to say positively about this movie. There really isn't, which is why I'm so surprised it's and respect that like this can be someone's favorite movie.
Speaker: Yeah, I... can't believe that um it also felt like really rushed but also really long so long do you know what i mean yes was like we were just jumping scene to scene to scene to scene just hitting you know the next story beat next story yeah next story beat but like there was just no time for us to feel anything um obviously the the stakes were explained and and all that, but I didn't feel anything. Same. I didn't care about the peasants. I didn't care about their mission.
Speaker: um It also felt a little bit short-sighted. um They just kept wanting a miracle. i know these are you know largely uneducated masses, but I think they could have...
Speaker: wanted more. Yeah. I think if you're going to tell tell the story of this group of people revolting against like a tyrannical government and you have and you make up the Andrew Garfield character to kind of be our vehicle to ground this story, then you need Real characters. Like you need them to have like.
Speaker: Motivations that we can feel. And I don't feel that from. Yeah like you said the peasants at all. um I especially don't feel that. With Andrew andrew Garfield. Like he didn't. He doesn't give leader to me. I was questioning his position. Throughout this entire movie.
Speaker: The entire time.
Speaker: Yep. Like because he headbutts that one guy. So like all we're going to follow this one. But I feel like. Cosmo Jarvis and I think Tom Hollander's characters were way more of the leaders.
Speaker: So I'm like questioning, like, then what's the point of Plowman? Why is he here? I know. i don't get it. Like there was just, there there was no single scene to establish like, why should we care or why should we believe that he could be a leader? Yeah. Yes.
Speaker: I agree. I didn't believe it. Not even just like found himself being tasked with all these little things here and there. And he's all of a sudden good at fighting. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Very strange. Real strange movie. Bad script. ah Bad direction. Bad cinematography.
Speaker: What can you do? And it's reflected in its box office today. So the budget for this movie was, oh go ahead. No, i was going to ask how much did they lose?
Speaker: but So the budget was 20 million. um This has not released internationally yet. It's apparently staggered and should be coming out like in the UK in October.
Speaker: i don't foresee it doing better, but domestically as of today, it's made $4 million. dollars okay So like a bad, bad flop. This movie came out a week ago now, made 3 million opening weekend, and yeah, 500k over the last four days, which is abysmal. It's tough.
Speaker: Yeah. That's rough. So 4 million total, zero international right now. We'll see what it does internationally in the next couple months. But my gut feeling says this movie ends its theatrical run at like 6.5.
Speaker: That seems reasonable. Knowing that it was only 20 million, I can forgive some of the bad CGI. There was a lot of bad CGI. um But I did like the sets.
Speaker: The sets were great. but everything else. What CGI? Was there any CGI like with the crowds? Maybe. I was looking for that, but it was mainly just like showing the city, showing the carnage from just a zoomed out view. Yeah.
Speaker: And it did that a lot. One other thing... Is if you're going to make this like gritty retelling. i mean, we've had so many gritty retellings of Robin Hood, which we'll talk about a little bit later.
Speaker: But if you're going to do something like that, like give it some oomph. Like, I felt like also all the kills in this were just so PG-13. This felt very tame. m and like Incredibly tame.
Speaker: It wanted to be, like, grimy and dirty and muddy. And i'll there was mud, but there's no, like, grit to it, you know? Right. It felt very soft.
Speaker: It did.
Speaker: So I'm like, be yeah be something. Very, very disappointing kills. ah Very disappointing violence. I just, there was nothing.
Speaker: I did not walk away from this movie thinking, yeah, this one part was good. Yeah. It was more so
Speaker: everything else sucks so hard that at least we have good costumes and sets. Mm-hmm. Or even just acceptable levels of quality. Yeah. For the costumes and sets. so And it's scraping at the barrel at that point, too.
Speaker: Yeah. Which is... ah I mean, I don't know if I can say that this is disappointing because i could just tell by the poster even. I just did not care for this movie. um We got two Robin Hood movies this year, and so...
Speaker: It seemed fitting at least talk about both to see how they stack up against each other. I'll say I was disappointed because I used two hours of my life for this movie. That's true. And I'll never get that back.
Speaker: I also had to pee really bad and it was painful. So this movie this movie actually hurt me. I also, i took a tuna sandwich into the theater because I was hungry.
Speaker: And honestly, I don't think that was the worst crime in that theater. Why did you do that? Why did you do a tuna sandwich? Okay. In my defense, There were only like two or three other people in the theater. They were way behind me.
Speaker: Okay. So no one was near you. No one was on the row in front of me, ah in the row with me or in the row behind me. They're all like pretty far away. All right. I think that is the one time that is acceptable. i will You show up to a crowded Resident Evil show with a tuna sandwich.
Speaker: I tried to eat it fast too. i don't know. That was a disappointing meal. Oh, just disappointments all around. Yeah. Oh, well, it is what it is.
Speaker: Are we going to keep shitting on this movie or do you want to give it the rating and move on? Let's give it the rating and move on. um All right. The average rating for this on Letterboxd right now is a 2.9. Where are you at?
Speaker: That feels really generous. Um,
Speaker: I was I've been pretty harsh with some movies. And. i think I need to be harsh again. yeah because this movie is rare when movies pissed me off, but.
Speaker: It did, so I got to give this a half star. I'm so sorry, Andrew Garfield. I don't want to do this to you. I supported you financially, but I can't in good conscious conscience um even come close to recommending this movie. so Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, man. i ah i think I'm going to give it a one. i don't know who. I don't know. I need to look to see if I have any like half stars, but I feel like a half star for me should be like offensive.
Speaker: where like, this shouldn't have been made. It offensive to me. The shaky cam was honestly horrible to experience. It does sound like it really did piss you off, and can't blame you. It was so distracting. Yeah, I'm going to just give it a one star.
Speaker: going to give it a one star and move on. That's fair. Sorry, Andrew Garfield. We still love you over here.
Speaker: All right, yeah let's get to our second Robin Hood movie. This one came out earlier this year. The Death of Robin Hood, directed by Michael Sarnofsky. Synopsis reads this. Grappling with his past after a life of crime and murder, Robin Hood finds himself gravely injured after a battle he thought would be his last. In the hands of a mysterious woman, he has offered a chance at salvation.
Speaker: And this is starring Hugh Jackman, Jodie Comer, and Bill Skarsgård, and Noah Joop. I didn't know it was Bill Skarsgård until after the movie. I was like, was that Skarsgård? Because there a couple shots where I couldn't really tell.
Speaker: But he had the eyes and was happy to see that a that it was. Let's run back our letterboxd love like loathe. What's our five star? right.
Speaker: This is a long one. um Oh, shoot. I took a screenshot of it. I don't even see the name. Hang on. Can you do yours first? Yeah. a Three star comes from Jeff Ketchum.
Speaker: Man, I'm not even sure what to say about this one. Hugh Jackman is less Robin Hood, more Boogeyman. It's brutally grim. Let me repeat, brutally grim. The most memorable moment of the movie is the reenactment of Rick and Stark learning the hard way that you have to zigzag when you're running away from some folks. That being said, kind of enjoyed it.
Speaker: So very middle of the ground review and that, oh, I did say his name, Jeff Ketchum. Nice. So our five star comes in from Joel Haver. It's really long. So only going to read, uh, half of it.
Speaker: So i'm going to start with, I for one admire Michael's insistence on that structure because it makes the movie incredibly unique in a landscape of predictable escalation. It's made the movie damn near impossible to market, but the market is clueless anyways, so who cares?
Speaker: I've been seeing comments online preemptively getting upset that this movie's goal is to tear down Robin Hood in a time where class warfare rages on. Funnily enough, I think a movie asking us to question the legends we've been told, and more importantly, be aware of the lewis illusory quality stories hold and how they can create false icons feels more necessary than ever.
Speaker: A story is just something somebody wants to tell us, and it's always worth asking why. Wow. That was a nice review. Yeah.
Speaker: Um, I have a half star here from Ben Fritchley. Today marks the first time I've ever walked out of a screening partway through a film. I lasted about an hour before the drudgery of this finished me off the first half hour. I could barely see a thing. And once they discovered the light switches, the tone was so ponderous and bland that I was bored to tears.
Speaker: Hmm. All right. My one star review comes in from Matty. I'm also going to read half because it's also very long. Okay. Sarnowski does everything he possibly can to make us disgusted with Jackman's Robin Hood.
Speaker: The fights are disgustingly graphic. These kills belong in a Saw movie. The way Robin Hood revels in the nastiness of each kill, almost like he's the villain of a slasher, all just serves to keep telling the audience that this is an evil POS.
Speaker: Felt disgusted with the whole take on the material. Regardless of Sarnovsky's intent in telling the story this way, the result was completely baffling. Fuck the rich. Robin Hood will never be the villain.
Speaker: So my reviews were kind of two sides of the same coin. Yeah. Which is the intent on telling the story of Robin Hood this way. um pretty Pretty interesting.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Definitely worth a discussion. um Michael Sarnoski, you familiar with his work? Have you seen, he's only got three feature films, this being his third. ah His first was Pig, and then the second was A Quiet Place Day One. you haven't seen either?
Speaker: I'm sorry. I have seen A Quiet Place Day One. Okay. What do you think about that one? It's good. Just good. Not great. like it yeah Yeah. I gave it three and a half stars. um I'm a big fan of pig.
Speaker: That actually was one of my favorite movies of 2021 and made it into my top 10. It's the Nicholas Cage truffle farmer movie. I highly recommend it. um And then i also enjoyed a quiet place. Day one. I don't have, I'm on the loss in the frame letter box. so I can't see my rating.
Speaker: um But I remember enjoying a quiet place day one as well. And so, You gave it four stars. I gave it four stars?
Speaker: Yeah. Okay, nice. um I was much more excited for the death of Robin Hood than I was for the uprising. I can tell you that much right now. Marketed much, much better.
Speaker: Yeah. It's still... is a flop unfortunately um similar to the budget of the uprising this budget was also 20 million it's not as bad of a flop i'll say that uh domestically it made 5.3 million and internationally 4.2 for a worldwide total of 9.5 so better than the uprising but not great at all and this this theatrical run is is over too
Speaker: yeah um i wonder
Speaker: now that i'm thinking about the the stylistic choices between the two movies the death of robin hood in my opinion is beautiful like truly really really nice to look at yes um almost the entire runtime in the movie i was really impressed with how it looked how it felt And especially when you compare that to the uprising, i think the marketing team failed because there were, there was just nothing that looked good in the uprising.
Speaker: Yeah. Like how can you piece together a trailer when you're, when every scene is just zooming in and out and and just looks like dog shit and makes the audience feel like dog shit. Like ever going back to talking shit on the uprising.
Speaker: It's just they could not have been filmed more differently. Very different movies. Like tonally, stylistically, I think you're 100% spot on with that.
Speaker: We should go back and watch an Uprising trailer. I never saw a trailer for that movie. Me neither. I might go back and watch... a trailer afterwards. um On Amazon, it was automatically playing like the trailer once the movie ended, so I did watch the Death of Robin Hood trailer a little bit.
Speaker: um It only shows like the first 30 minutes of the movie, like a very violent retelling of Robin Hood. Like both your reviews are saying, I think that can either make someone...
Speaker: Interested or turn them off. It made me interested. There was a lot of comparisons to, oh, this is just like Logan. Like it looks like he's going to take care of a girl again. Like Hugh Jackman is always taking these roles. And I'm like, don't know. I'm kind of down for it. Like I was, I was excited for it. Me too.
Speaker: um But what do you think? What are your, your general thoughts on, on the death of Robin hood? What were your, your thoughts once, once the credits rolled? Sure. so outside of the style, the substance itself, I felt a little bored sometimes, but I did think it was pretty ambitious to have it like stacked in the front in terms of all of the gritty action it's
Speaker: it's kind of crazy. It is actually really crazy. Yeah. Um, and then, you know, after 20, 30 minutes, the movie shifts entirely and it just becomes a very quiet, reflective, peaceful, um, just beautiful movie.
Speaker: But with that said,
Speaker: i don't know I don't know how I feel about the rewatchability, but I had a good time. i um i had enjoyed the process of Robin Hood's reflections and
Speaker: i don't know, i guess his journey to accept his own past and maybe find ways to forgive himself
Speaker: I liked the performances of pretty much everyone in this movie. There, there wasn't really anything I didn't like from, from everyone. I thought no jupe was great.
Speaker: Jody Cumber was great. Um, even little Margaret yeah was really good too. Yeah. Which I cannot say about the kid actors and the uprising, whatever. i don't want to talk about that movie anymore. Um,
Speaker: Yeah, no, I honestly, i was pretty pleased with most aspects of this movie. Yeah. How about you? Yeah, the first 30, 45 minutes of this movie are are a thrill. like For sure.
Speaker: Really cool set pieces, especially like the burning barn scene, I thought was so cool in that entire fight sequence. Go ahead. i was going to say, it kind of felt like The Northman.
Speaker: It did. i thought the exact same thing. It was very much giving me The Northman vibes. um So if you like The Northman, there's at least a portion of this movie that you will really like.
Speaker: Yes. Really great fight choreography there. I think Hugh Jackman is... really good in this. I don't think he's doing anything new necessarily, and I don't think the movie itself is really saying anything like riveting or new, but I really enjoyed it in its execution, in the way that it's shot, and reflecting back on Pig, it was also kind of marketed as this
Speaker: Tale of revenge. And if you've seen pig and it's not a spoiler, like this just seems to be like themes and directions that, um, that the director likes to go are,
Speaker: maybe more tales of like redemption, but something very similar happens in pig where there's kind of a shift, um, with the Nicholas cage character and things become a bit more like quiet.
Speaker: And there's more of a theme of forgiveness than this. Like, like I thought the movie was going to be like a John wick style. They took my pig, they took my dog. Like that's exactly what the movie is marketed as. And it plays similar tricks, like with death of Robin hood. So I kind of,
Speaker: was expecting something like this and i was glad we got it. Like Jodie Comer is, i think really, really good in this movie.
Speaker: it too It felt like her 28 years later performance dialed up to 11 and 28 years later was my favorite movie of last year. And so I think she had a lot more to work with in this one.
Speaker: For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Like I loved her in 28 years later, but yeah, a lot more to work with in this one. And it just like, Like Jodie Comer is obviously capable of a role like this. So I think that's a good casting decision. And Hugh Jackman is obviously very capable in a role like this.
Speaker: So I think they were, they were just decisions made that make sense. And like, well, like I was saying, like while not anything new or like surprising, I just think it was executed very well. Like I, there was a vision.
Speaker: Yes, there was there was a vision and I think, and I think he cooked with it. Me too. This movie works for me on an emotional level. Like I... Between like the sweeping landscapes to like the intimate portraits we get of just two people in a room to this found family just having dinner like in a bedroom like with a candlelight. I was like, wow, this is surprisingly like...
Speaker: i I thought this movie was gonna be more of a disappointment, honestly. So I think I was pleasantly surprised once the credits rolled. I found myself just a lot like more excited at this movie, and and I felt all of the emotions.
Speaker: Yeah, that's great. Me too. How long ago did you watch it? I did it in two halves. I did half of it last night and then the other half this morning. Gotcha. Yeah. So I watched it just a couple hours ago.
Speaker: um So we're we're pretty fresh on this. Yeah. How do you how do you feel about reviewing movies when it's just like it just happened?
Speaker: I like talking about them, like from the podcast. I think that helps. kind of form my, my thoughts and feelings towards a movie.
Speaker: Um, what I try to stay away from is like, even if we're doing a movie, like, or I'm watching movie, not for the podcast is like immediately trying to think of a rating, like right after I watch it, like I still want to stew on it for a little bit.
Speaker: So I've had a couple hours to stew on it, but like, just as I'm like, I wrote down a couple of notes, like while i was watching the movie to try to help, like for my opinion, a little bit quicker. yeah,
Speaker: I mean, it was just like me like praising like all these like different scenes that I really enjoyed. like my favorite One of my favorite scenes was ah was Robin Hood getting ready to escape on the boat for the first time, like shortly after his injury, and he runs into the leper. The leper comes behind him, and the leper starts just having conversation, telling him, the like, oh, you can go like if you're ready, but like you're not ready, and he can easily, like, the leper himself can can move the boat, and he starts telling him the story about the philosopher.
Speaker: Just like in the way that it tells its stories, I was just like, it was just something that that really clicked for me. Yeah. I really liked the leper. I don't think we've talked about him yet, but thought he was a great character. Yeah. He was played by a Murray Bartlett.
Speaker: um I know him most notably from the first season of the White Lotus as one of the managers. And he was also most recently in Opus. Yeah. yeah I thought he also had a really great performance.
Speaker: Me too. There's really not much that I felt disappointed by. now that ah umm I'm thinking about it more and we're discussing it. Yeah.
Speaker: Maybe this movie is better than I thought. I mean, I think it just comes down to like... does the tone switch work for you? Cause like in both of your reviews and the way that they approached this movie, one loved it and one like absolutely hated it, but they both understood the director's intent.
Speaker: Right. So I think it kind of comes down to like, does that work for you or not? Do you want this to be like an action packed adrenaline ride for, for two hours? Or are you okay with the last hour of this movie being a real quiet,
Speaker: thought exercise on like second chances and forgiveness or and if that's like if that's cheesy for you or not right it's it's definitely interesting when the character self describes himself as a monster um and I'm sure that's just because he's riddled with guilt and he just wants his own emotional pain to end and this movie is kind of his
Speaker: I don't know. It was just driven by his desire to just die. Yeah. He so desperately wanted to die and a lot of people just wouldn't let him. And I guess he used that opportunity to reflect a little bit further and and seek, you know, the ah kindness that could be within us all.
Speaker: Despite, you know, that we're capable of terrible, horrible things like burning people alive. Who amongst us hasn't. Who amongst us hasn't shoved a flaming torch into someone's face?
Speaker: Literally insane. As they beg you not to. Yeah, he's like, please, please. Dude, the knife going through the hand. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then him splitting that, like, when they're on the floor. I looked away. I went, oh.
Speaker: Yeah. I wish I saw this in a theater. Me too. um To go back to your thought of like the way Robin Hood kind of tackles these emotions when he's having the conversation with Noah Jupe at the beach, just calls him out because he can obviously see why his character is there is to is to kill the little girl to to pay the blood debt.
Speaker: And I love Noah Jupe. And Hugh Jack, like, it would just, I just, it was great. I'm like, too yeah, man, this is awesome.
Speaker: It was awesome. I'm like, this is my shit. love scenes like that. I do I know both great actors.
Speaker: One thing I noticed, and this is the one reason I'm glad that I was actually at home because I, like, rewinded it a bit. I was like, did this change? But the aspect ratio of the movie from the beginning until the ending of the barnburn scene when he faces like the big viking guy it was almost like like a video game fight to the point where the elder father or whatever he said yeah whatever whatever he was um to the point of death for Robin Hood the movie's aspect ratio is in like a wide screen aspect ratio
Speaker: And from the moment he's laying on the floor, like, and he starts kind of hallucinating and almost passing away and getting into like that next life, the aspect ratio slowly like widens.
Speaker: And this is over like four minutes. It's really slow until it's like a full screen. And ah Bill Skarsgård's character, we see him taking him on the boat, taking him to the island, and then it gets into more of like a square aspect ratio until he wakes up in the bed.
Speaker: And then the movie's in a completely different aspect ratio. And I like little tricks like that. And I think it works in this case of literally like a part one and part two of these movies, just like completely different tones and completely different literal points of view of how we're viewing it. So I just thought that was something that that was really cool.
Speaker: Yeah, that's ah that's a great call out. And I wish I could just pick up on that stuff more often. I almost always miss it. I did in this case.
Speaker: It was really slow. Yeah. And like it was, it's cause I paused it to go to the bathroom and then I came back and I was like, wait, wasn't this movie widescreen before? And so I rewinded it and then I, as I'm rewinding it I can see it like reversing it I'm like, Oh, look at that. It did. It did do that. So I thought that was, that was really cool.
Speaker: That is really cool. And it's, it's nice to see, um, like we said before, a director with a vision and he executed it and it worked. Did you ever play the Death Stranding game?
Speaker: No. Do you know about it? Yeah, I know about it. Okay, I also know about it, but I i actually have it, but I played it for maybe like an hour. um Michael Sarnoski is apparently directing a Death Stranding game for Death Stranding game?
Speaker: Or a Death Stranding movie, sorry. Okay, gotcha. Based off based off of the game. Is it going to be, what's his face? It probably would be, right? darre from the from the walking dead yeah like it'd be weird if it wasn't yeah because it was modeled after him yeah
Speaker: That's pretty cool though. It'll look great. It will look great. Especially if he works with the same cinematographer. He's worked with the same cinematographer for all these movies. Pat Scola, who also shot Sing Sing, which was again, another one of my favorite movies in 2023. So I need to see it. Yeah. It's been on my list for a while. There's a theme here. Anything here that doesn't work for you?
Speaker: Um, maybe more bill. m he's He's awesome. And i know that his character serves a very specific purpose. Yeah. But...
Speaker: He's awesome. And I want to see more of him. So, but that's not really a critique of the movie. Yeah. It's just like how the story goes. Do you know the like lore at all of Robin hood, like the actual old stories or anything like that?
Speaker: Just the broad stroke that he stole money. He, yeah he lived, um, you know, out the woods with some other folks. Just marry men. Yeah. And they, they stole from the rich and gave to the poor. That's all know.
Speaker: So I guess little John is supposed to be like his main, his main guy in, in the stories. I tried to read a little bit like after, like after watching it, cause I wanted to see like the significance like of a little John and as basically like his Batman is basically like his Robin to his Batman.
Speaker: is is is what i is what i could so i would love yeah to have seen more of that but him telling the story to little margaret at the end of him meeting john for the first time and her telling like dad's name is john not edmund and this is how he met i was like bro why am i crying in the club right now i i really love the beach scene with him and noah jupe But that last scene, that and really worked to me. It's really good.
Speaker: And it's what a way to end your movie. And it's it's predictable. it's predictable This movie is very predictable. But like it just does it so right, I think. The execution is is there on like every every step. Yeah.
Speaker: I agree. ah This movie is rated average a three-star on Letterboxd. yeah and i wonder if it's just purely because of the the thing i brought up in one of my reviews about you know these days is there's there's so much commentary on on class warfare and class standings and and that we just shouldn't question you know robin hood and and his integrity and what he meant and represents as far as fighting against the rich and powerful and the tyrannical. But like my other reviewer said, I think there's value in questioning every story and myth and and getting to know these, these characters more.
Speaker: Yeah. And just making them more human. I mean, and you can look at it like through a lens of, I mean, kind of looking at both of them of like where we're at present day and I don't know that we could use more empathy, use more like self-reflection in that way.
Speaker: That's kind of how I, how I read it.
Speaker: That makes sense. Yeah. Ready rate it.
Speaker: think Anything else you want to shout out? What's up? Anything else you want to shout out? Hmm.
Speaker: No, I think we nailed it. Okay. I can go first for this one. Since you went first and the last one. um Not a person... Only one person on my Letterboxd has this movie at more than a four. Everyone else is like a three and a half, lot of twos, couple ones, and I was actually kind of surprised by that because I'm giving this movie a four.
Speaker: I think I've kind of walked myself into a four as well because there's just like... It was a great movie. It was produced very well. Yeah. And executed very well.
Speaker: Everything is very clear. Yeah. Which is great. And it looked beautiful. So. Clear vision. It looks good. Hugh Jackman is great. Jodie Comer. the script was good.
Speaker: Yeah. And come on what people. What more do you need? Get some, get some love into your hearts. Right. Some, some forgiveness. Yeah. Forgive yourselves. Forgive yourselves.
Speaker: and love this movie. Um, are you, did you, have you seen any other type of like Robin hood story? Is he big in your life?
Speaker: I mean, I saw the original Disney classic um with the Fox. I think I saw the Kevin Costner one, but I was really young and I don't remember anything. Did you ever watch the Russell Crowe one in 2010 directed by Ridley Scott?
Speaker: Definitely not. Never saw that one either. That was 2010. then in 2018, we had the one with Taron Egerton Jamie Foxx. ah the one with taryn egggerson and jamie fox nope didn't see that one didn't even know that that was a thing until this episode sounds like it shouldn't be a thing yeah so it's 2010 2018 and then 2026 we had two one and a half robin hood movies so it seems like the pattern is every eight years robin hood comes back into the modern lexicon for another retelling great
Speaker: What do you want to see out of the next Robin Hood in 2034? you want a another gritty retelling? Or what would you do for a Robin Hood? about put it in space?
Speaker: Robin Hood in space? Yeah. And it's Noah Joop. That is Robin Hood. What a circle. I think I would do, I think we need to go to the route again of men in tights.
Speaker: We need something colorful. Yeah. Make it fun. i think that's, yeah that's what should be the next iteration. Cause we've gotten, there's, seems like there's so many gritty iter iterations of Robin hood. Let's get back to men in tights.
Speaker: Yeah. Let's, let's rob and kill the rich and make it fun. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker: Any other closing thoughts?
Speaker: sure um watch watch this movie don't watch the uprising watch both actually this i think it was an experience to watch the origin and then watch the end
Speaker: i can't and good like i said i i cannot in good conscience recommend the uprising it's miserable i don't even think it's fun for a hate watch.
Speaker: It's not. He had a shit on it one more time before we leave.
Speaker: ah All right. oh that That is our Robin Hood filled episode. Follow us on Letterboxd, Spotify, and Apple podcast next week. We'll be here for primetime.
Speaker: Oh, baby. It's the one. Can't wait. The big September release. And then Alex will be back as well. And we'll discuss what hopefully is a really good movie.
Speaker: i have I have my hopes. I do too. All right. I'll see you guys in the next episode. Bye. Later.
