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Speaker: Last week, we discussed Digger, which called out spineless circle jerks of movies that do nothing but self-congratulate the maker for being virtuous. This week, we're reviewing one of those movies.
Speaker: Welcome back to Lost in the Frame. I'm your host, Alex. I'm your host, Malik. And I'm your host, Tachi. And today we are talking about the new Aaron Sorkin flick, The Social Reckoning. the Let's go. The much anticipated, much wanted sequel to 2011's The Social Network.
Speaker: But first, how are you guys doing today? I'm ready to reckon with these with these feelings with this movie. Me too. It's going to be a good time. 2011, the social network, really. So 15 years ago.
Speaker: Yeah, it's been a while. Wow. I'm interested to see how this episode goes, considering I was on the road for four hours today. Like your mental state, you mean? Like where you're going to Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: yeah as you know we're We're operating on fumes, man. I didn't really sleep last night. What did you do over this weekend that made you so tired?
Speaker: a self-hatred ritual of watching my Texas Longhorns try and play offense. ah We lost to Oklahoma. That's unacceptable. I know there's a very certain individual who listens to this pod that is very happy, so
Speaker: Cool, Nate. ah no Texas, Oklahoma, that's like a big rivalry, if I'm not mistaken, right? It's our biggest one. It's one of the the biggest in college football. um Really, you know, zooming out from my my own sensitivity um and man-childness.
Speaker: If you zoom out, the the venue of the whole thing is is one of the coolest aspects of college football, right? you have a new It's a neutral site game played at the Texas State Fair at the Cotton Bowl Stadium in the middle of the fairgrounds.
Speaker: ah The fan bases are split at the 50-yard line, so half of them are Texas fans. Half of them are Oklahoma fans, and it's just... The energy there is absolutely incredible. and Even if you're a neutral fan, you're not a fan of either team, but you love the sport of football, I think you should make the time and go to this game because it is ah is something else.
Speaker: It's something else. And the games are usually just absolutely chaotic. I mean, we won last year. We absolutely shouldn't have. They won this year. They absolutely shouldn't have. um And that there's like maybe 15 to 20 instances of that in in the rivalry.
Speaker: um yeah's it's There's always something going on. Always something cooking. Yeah. um But it really is. I mean, it's it's truly a one of a kind. It's truly a special event. I don't I haven't.
Speaker: ever come across any sports a venue that really feels like it. And may have been to a lot of stuff, so, you know, The thing that I actually associate Texas and Oklahoma with specifically is that game being the reason you would only attend weekend one of ACL. Since I've known you, it's always the same reason. It would be whenever weekend is not. Whenever weekend is not happening is the weekend that you're going to ACL. I mean, I was doing that for like 10 years. Yeah. Legitimately, I was doing it for like 10 years. That's crazy. There's been like a couple times...
Speaker: where I've gone the weekend of because like so when you're my sister could only come to weekend one um and that's where we can to whatever weekend of the game was being played. And so we went and we, i you know, sucked it up and hung out with my little sister and had a great time.
Speaker: ah But why did you guys go to ACL this year? hey eitherer Neither of you went to ACL, right? No. Why not? was The lineup just. Yeah. Lineup was not not great.
Speaker: There wasn't anyone I was willing to pay that kind of a price to see. And like the only people that I like wanted to see, i had already seen. So i just didn't, i was like, I'm going to save my money. um i am going to Texas LSU and Baton Rouge this year. So that's kind of what I'm spending my money on.
Speaker: Plus I had my, you know, my Scotland trip. So that was, that, that was not cheap. Britain is a very expensive country. um I think we I can't remember we talked about it when I came back, but ah yeah, everything is like so the the the pound is like a dollar twenty five oh dollar fifty.
Speaker: um And so like you're ordering a dinner and like the entree is like eighteen pounds. I mean, you're just getting blown out the door by... ah And not like, yeah, my last dinner there was really delicious. It was Indian restaurant in Hexham.
Speaker: um But yeah, i spent like 40 bucks. No tip. No tip. Because you don't tip over there. So I spent like $40 on it. Just absolutely cooked. Yeah.
Speaker: know well i hope next year's lineup is better for you to go in and that texas and oklahoma texas wins against oklahoma man i just hope we we win like all i i don't even know we're not gonna get into this i can't read this right now well have a side football podcast all right let's do a rapid review get into some movie news and then we'll discuss the social reckoning cool cool yep we want to go first for the rapid review what have you guys been watching I'll go first today because I never go first in these, but I actually know what I want to talk about. I watched the original Japanese version of The Ring. ah Oh, nice. it's just called Ring, not The Ring.
Speaker: ah The The is an American invention, apparently. Drop the The. Just Ring. this is a This is a weird one. um it's, it plays more like a thriller than a horror movie. Cause I, the original granted I saw, or the original, the American one, the one that was original to, to my viewing experience.
Speaker: um I saw that maybe like 15 years ago now. Yeah. In middle school. And it scared the crap out of me. um And I remember it being like a very scary movie. This one, like,
Speaker: It's not really scary at all. It's very good. i gave it a three and a half. um Spoiler. But it plays more like a thriller than it does like a horror movie. Now, there is like one scene where it is like, yeah, that that is a horror movie.
Speaker: and I don't want to tell you which one, but... um Yeah, it was a very interesting viewing experience comparing it to the original. or ah I keep the American version. ah Comparing it to the American version. ah They're pretty close. um and i But the question is probably on everyone's lips. um Which one's videotape is scarier? And I think it's the Japanese one.
Speaker: I had to pause them i paused the movie after the the tape in the Japanese one, and I watched the American version's ring tape. And it's like so... Like it looks cheesy.
Speaker: Like it's like, what is this? like i can't believe this scared me when I was a kid. um But yeah, three and a half out of five. The ring. Nice.
Speaker: Is it the same premise with the TV? Yeah. thing yeah Okay. Seven days and all that. Yeah. Watch the tape. Seven days, you know. So I actually watched The Ring earlier this year on a plane.
Speaker: And that is, it also is a bit more of a thriller than I remember. Cause I, same with you. Like I thought it was just like a straight up. horror movie and i think the american version has more aspects of horror it sounds like but there is like a real thriller true detective-esque type of vibe that goes on in the american version as well yeah sounds cool cool what about you touch you've been watching Yeah, I recently rewatched the first of the the Fast and the Furious and was released in 2001, directed by Rob Cohen, starring all of our favorites.
Speaker: And um it's awesome. It's such a fun ride still. of Of course, some of the effects are pretty outdated, but it's it's just a really solid movie all around. ah Keeps the pedal.
Speaker: on the metal and um that's the same it's yeah no it's it's a really solid movie all around still really fun and i gave it three and a half i really do enjoy those first five past i actually and do enjoy all of them just for different reasons once we get into the back half after five i like them for completely different reasons than the first they get really rough but like they are still entertaining right yeah
Speaker: For mine, um I actually made a TikTok about this, but I wanted to talk to you guys about it just to get your opinions also. But I've watched The Shining for the first time. um i gave it a three and a half out of five, which like felt...
Speaker: wrong because everyone down my list is by five five five but agree with you actually i saw three and a half and it was from alex and so i was curious like what do you think of the shining when did you see it and like do you do you feel the same where it's like you you recognize its importance but you're just like all right good movie but like here was my problem with it i think it was too quick like it's just like all a sudden it's happening and it's like yeah the movie needed something to probably be an hour longer And I recognize that it like, like visually I thought it was fantastic. And of course there's so many iconic scenes, but I wanted more in his descent to madness and he just kind of goes, you know, i was a little confused. I thought I had missed something because these movies can be like a little bit slower in their pace and, and editing styles, but I straight up thought I had missed like,
Speaker: Like a couple minutes because he seemed fine and then he wasn't. You've seen The Shining Tachi? No, I've never seen it. You should watch it. It could be, yeah, both of our first times. but Yeah, I should watch it.
Speaker: At this point, I'm just like, i don't know if Kubrick's one of my guys. He's like one of the guys. but you you Watch Paths of Glory. Okay, yeah. I need to watch Paths of Glory and Dr. Strangelove.
Speaker: and then I think there's one other one, but like so far from what I've seen of Kubrick, I like Eyes Wide Shut and that's it. He's like one for four for me so far. Have you seen Clockwork Orange? Yeah. That's a good one as well. I really like Clockwork Orange.
Speaker: That one, that one I could probably do a rewatch, but yeah, watch The Shining for the first time. I've got some other big first watches coming up this month that that I'm excited for. um But for some movie news, we just got a couple pieces here.
Speaker: The final Godzilla Minus Zero trailer released. We watched it right before we started recording. Gas. yeah Yeah. Looks incredible. What do you guys think of the way he kind of convulses his body to do the atomic breath? I was scrolling Twitter right before we recorded. Where it's like he shoots the things shoot up.
Speaker: Yeah, but his torso kind of like contorts like that. And people thought that looked a little bit silly, but he does that in minus one, too. I don't remember that ever being an issue with me, though. But like the way the whole there's it like a whole physiological response to. Yeah. Yeah. like can up yeah People just say he looks a little bit uncanny because it's like a real real quick cat throw up.
Speaker: Yeah. i I don't care, man. it did I don't care. It's better than hope. So right I think hope is coming out on digital soon. It is. We can watch it at home. Can't wait.
Speaker: Let's go.
Speaker: I'm hoping they fixed the CGI in the home release. I doubt it. Doubt it. did Yeah. um Our next bit of news, the Exorcist Martyrs trailer released. Scarlett Johansson starring as a cop who, yeah, deals with some spooky stuff. um yeah What do you think?
Speaker: So we chatted about it a little bit in our chat a few days ago when it was just screen grabs. And I was like, okay, I need a trailer. Watch the trailer. I'm on board. I think it looks sick.
Speaker: I was hesitant at first. I'm on board. However,
Speaker: there's something that really interests me about this movie. Is every exorcism movie but before or after the exorcist, but before this is like, we have got to do the exorcist. Like we're doing the possession, the whole thing.
Speaker: This is the first time I've ever seen someone be like, we are doing The Exorcist 3 in our movie. wait What do you mean by that? Have you seen The Exorcist 3?
Speaker: I haven't. I've only seen the first two, and then that's it. So The Exorcist 3, written and directed by William Peter Blatty, who wrote the book The Exorcist and then the the movie The Exorcist, made the third one. The second one is supposed to be awful.
Speaker: Never seen it. But the third one is a cult classic. And I've seen it one time. it is one of the strangest, but pretty good, uh, horror movies I've seen. It's very, very like, the word I almost want to use for it is esoteric and it's probably not that, but it's a very bizarre movie.
Speaker: Um, kind of around the premise of, of what martyrs is, is positioning here. um,
Speaker: I'm really curious to see if they can carry the sauce that ah
Speaker: The Exorcist 3 had, because it's a movie that was pretty, like, I don't know. Something that I found so, um you know, convincing about The Exorcist and why I think it's such, like, a ah great movie and why it hits so hard is that the writer, you know,
Speaker: went to Georgetown, you know, devout Catholic, heard about the story, as we talked about on our Exorcist Halloween episode last year, um like heard about the real story and then and made a thing. This is like, it's all stuff he like genuinely believes, right?
Speaker: And so I'm interested to see if that they can carry that kind of spirit into this one. I mean, i have no idea about Mike Flanagan as like his religious background or anything like that, but i think that's part of what makes the Exorcist so good.
Speaker: um And so i'm really so interested to see if someone decided to go off the beaten path a little bit and follow The Exorcist 3 is what finally gets us another really, really good exorcism movie.
Speaker: I really want to believe in Mike Flanagan from your religious comment. I think he he does have the sauce from previously like devout Christian, if I'm not mistaken. But he's got like all of his work has like the religious themes.
Speaker: um surrounding like the the entire the entire like premise. like it's It's all over Midnight Mass. it's it's There's like a little bit in the Hill House. His movies are like hit or miss for me. like i mean Life of Chuck came out last year. Thought that sucked, but that was something outside of the the the horror realm. It's probably like he his you have to make this to make some other thing.
Speaker: yeah so I didn't hate Life at Chuck. i thought it was I know you didn't. was surprised you didn't. I was kind of, so was also watching the plane. I guess. oh It was sweet. It was, you know, was silly.
Speaker: What did you think of the the trailer, Tachi? You're in? Yeah, I'm in. the I was really impressed by the visuals. i don't know how things worked or looked in his successful Netflix shows, but um I think I should check them out.
Speaker: Yes, especially given the month and um especially given that he's about to drop a movie that I might really like. And i'm I'm really hoping because at the end of the trailer, it gives away a pretty big um change in one of the major characters. And so I'm kind of wondering, like, did the studio force that to just like draw people in or does he have a lot more cooking? And I hope it's that he just has a lot more cooking.
Speaker: Yeah, it is a really crazy last line, though. I went, ooh, okay. it So the marketing worked. it pulled me in for sure. and think it looks awesome. For sure.
Speaker: ah So I'm next. Nicholas Cage confirms that he will star in True Detective Season 5. I have not seen this. First time I'm reading about it. Yeah. um um I haven't seen, i don't think, Seasons 3 or 4.
Speaker: Three is great. Four is... Three is good. Four is bad. One of the worst things I've ever seen in my life. Oh, I hated it. and So, I love Nicolas Cage, and I think that sounds like a great idea, but the previous showrunner, Issa Lopez, is returning from season four to write season five, and that makes... That kind of kills all excitement for me. I hated season four. I remember we were talking so much shit on it, Alex. is Season four was so stupid.
Speaker: Yeah. It was so stupid. Like... I mean, I don't even know if I want to like be like, Tachi, take your headphones off, or what i'm about to say. like I'm not going to watch it. It's okay. yeah I'm pretty sure the ending was like kind of like, suicide's a little badass.
Speaker: like That was the message it was going for. I'm like, what are you talking about? What's happening here? like you I'm not even joking. I'm not exaggerating. like Tachi, the way that this show that this season ends is like,
Speaker: Literally, like, suicide is kind of kind of the answer. Okay. I mean, I wanted to kill myself after I watched it. but What's the clip from It's Always Sunny, Frank? Suicide's kind of badass.
Speaker: That's literally what it is. Interesting. All right. ah But I mean, Nicolas Cage is enough to get me to watch the first couple episodes, so I'll be there. What if he just solves the crime but is playing long legs while he does it?
Speaker: I'm in. That sounds awesome. Last bit of news, Blumhouse. Released our 2027 movie slate, and there's some interesting things here.
Speaker: ah We have a movie called River coming out in January. The Revenge of Llorona in February. The Exorcist Martyrs, of course. Anything but Ghosts, which is Curry Barker's next film starring himself, his buddy Cooper, Bryce Dallas Howard, and Aaron Paul.
Speaker: Okay. This one's supposed to be more Okay.
Speaker: but a comedy horror nonetheless. So that comes out in May. A new paranormal activity, which I didn't realize was happening. Same. Which will be interesting.
Speaker: An untitled Blumhouse film, a new Blair Witch project, which I also didn't know was happening. And then a movie called sleepover and seasons.
Speaker: I remember a lot of our discussions kind of were around the analog ah type of war. So with Blair Witch coming out, I wonder, and i and Paranormal Activity, I wonder how those are going to to pull it off.
Speaker: It sounds like they kind of are hopping on the train of of exactly what you just said. of Like, oh, we got capitalize on this now. so that makes me a little bit scared. What are your thoughts on the original Blair Witch?
Speaker: Have you guys both seen it? Yeah. Yeah. I hated it. It's a slog. It is just such a slog. Yeah, it is a slog. I think I appreciate it from like a like looking in the past, like when it came out, like I can I like watch it I was like, all right, imagine 1999 and like the marketing for this movie was just nuts.
Speaker: And like people thought it was real. And so I can appreciate it for that, but it is a slog to get through. But those last 15 minutes I do think are electric, but it takes a long time to get there. The one thing I'd love to poke around and the reason I bring this up is because I know that it's at the Oscar Museum right now, I think, is like the original website and forums.
Speaker: Yeah, it's like captured and there you can browse it there. i want to do that. I would love to do that. You should come out. i'm I'm trying to go this week actually to go see that exhibit. Oh, let me just buy tickets. Let me skip my buddy's wedding. Yeah, I'll come right out there. You have another wedding?
Speaker: Yeah, dude. I have like six on my fridge right now. Oh my God. Cam and I are always talking about it. We're like, that dude is at a wedding every other week. He's literally across the world for a wedding. How is this possible?
Speaker: I know. um a lot of friends. You know, a popular guy. Yeah. Must be nice. Yeah, until you see the bill for wedding gifts. Right. That's my year-to-date bill for wedding gifts. um I don't know. I guess I'm just a popular guy. I, yeah i you know, I'm a people pleaser.
Speaker: i People say I care too much. Shut up.
Speaker: You know. Well, let me know if you care about the movie that we'll be discussing, The Social Reckoning. I'm reckoning my social life is at an all-time high. That's actually better. i like that. All right, let's get into the movie. The Social Reckoning, directed by Aaron Sorkin.
Speaker: Francis Haugen, a young Facebook engineer, enlists the help of Jeff Horowitz, a Wall Street Journal reporter, to go on a dangerous journey that ends up blowing the whistle on the social network's most guarded secrets. This is starring Mikey Madison, Jeremy Allen White, and Jeremy Strong.
Speaker: Tachi has our five star. I'll read our three star today. And Alex with our one star for our letterbox love like loathe. Yep. Today's five star comes in from worm water to man.
Speaker: Fuck Facebook. I thought they were good.
Speaker: i can never tell if reviews like that are like, serious this is, I seriously think this is a five star movie. Yeah, or if it's, like, ironic. I don't know. That one could go either way, honestly. It could. Yeah. Three star comes in from Kakaru Nakano.
Speaker: Clearly, Sorkin just wanted to see Mikey Madison wear hot dresses.
Speaker: Yeah, we're we're going to talk about that. Yeah, we will talk about that. are what are Our half-star review comes from Walter Chaw. Joins Megalopolis, Disclosure Day, and Digger in the scared old man wants us to do better genre of obvious slogs about five or six years past their sell-by date.
Speaker: This one thinks print media isn't dead and no one knows tech bros and their girls looking at toys are destroying the country. I don't think you understood the point of Digger, dude.
Speaker: But... He almost did. He he got part of it. He almost did. Yeah. i think he I think he thought Digger was Fossil Fools. Yeah.
Speaker: Real quick to sidetrack, just because that review mentioned Megalopolis. Megalopolis is getting re-released in theaters for a few days later on this month in October. I'm sorry.
Speaker: I have to do this. I need to go see it. yeah Tachi, you must go. Both you and Alex, please go watch it together. All right. How long is it? Like five hours?
Speaker: No, it's like three. It's like two and a half, three hours. Okay. normal I think it's like a two hour, 20 minute. yeah But it feels like it feels like five hours sometimes. Especially during the virginity song bit. That i was that was at least two hours.
Speaker: All right. What was your guys' excitement level coming into the social reckoning, if any, at all? None. Well, okay. let let me let me Let me amend that. I was very curious to see what Mikey Madison's first role post-Oscar was going to be like.
Speaker: Because yes I was a Nora's strongest soldier in our friend group. um And I was on the right side of history. And I was right. I was correct about what was going to happen. um Yeah, sure.
Speaker: Sure. And I really do like Mikey Madison as an actress. I think she's probably one of the strongest actresses today. um And I think this movie kind of exemplifies why Onora was that good of a performance.
Speaker: um We'll get into that. Okay. Tachi, how about you? I had some. i was really optimistic because of Aaron Sorkin's writing Acclaim, his history with writing and kind of surrounding this business, politic world.
Speaker: um So I was i was optimistic. Probably three or four out of five, excitement level. I don't think I was... I don't think I was optimistic at all. Like that first trailer released and the mumbling.
Speaker: Yeah, it was the mumbling. And then Jeremy strong, who I love. I love Jeremy strong. I think he's a phenomenal actor. I think the way he, the, the, the sauce that he brings to his characters is just, it's, it can be otherworldly.
Speaker: And then there was just something with his Zuckerberg in that trailer in that like five seconds we got that I was like, Oh, I hope that's fixed. I hope that's like not what the entire movie will be.
Speaker: um So the expectations were kind of at the bottom, but what did you guys think of this movie when the credits rolled? like what were what was your What was your gut reaction?
Speaker: I kind of had a headache.
Speaker: And also my eyes rolled in the last 30 seconds. Just brutally hard roll. Especially post Digger. If you've seen my review on Letterboxd, you'll... Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. Digger kind of indicated, not going to lie. Wrong side of history, Malik. This movie had a ah really great opportunity to to tackle some really troublesome things that are going on in the world and have been for quite some time.
Speaker: And i it just it didn't do anything. I think the last was the last line in the movie is like, like I hope you do something. It's like, yeah thanks, Aaron.
Speaker: Thank you so much. Yeah. Right. Right. When it ended, i just, my eyes rolled into the back of my head. i just, I couldn't believe it. Like, so we're going to, I watched this yesterday.
Speaker: We're going to the theater and we're going to a new AMC that we hadn't been to yet. And so we're in the parking garage and we get there at 720. It took us 15 minutes to get out of the parking garage. We went all the way in.
Speaker: We're following all these cars and it's just going down. Like it's going, it's not going up, it's going down and there's no spots and there's nowhere to turn around. So we had to go all the way across the garage and then all the way out and Like we got to the movie on time at 7.20. And so when we pulled up to the theater, we walked into the theater right when it said the social reckoning.
Speaker: Like we were, we were like 30 seconds late. So just leading up to it was already a bad experience. And i was like, man, this movie is going to suck because parking sucked and I'm going to be pissed. it's turned on, this movie ends. And I was like, what a waste of two hours.
Speaker: This was atrocious. I never think a trip to the theater is wasted. i guess not. I had some popcorn. i I just think when you when you open up the movie, so title card and then sets us up with the prologue. So we're going to get chapters or like parts of the movie all split up.
Speaker: And the the name of the prologue is White Girl Wasted. And so I think just... It was. Once you open with that, it's you're doomed. yeah Like, you cannot be taken seriously. Prologue, White Girl Wasted. was like,
Speaker: oh Yeah. did it do Did it do that and then the social reckoning? Or like right after the title card for the social reckoning? I thought it did it right after the title card. I thought so Okay. my but My back may have been turned because we were finding our seats, but like we walked in and then I saw the social reckoning. i was like, oh my God, we just made it. Yeah, there's like a second or two after that.
Speaker: First real shot of the movie is the the police. Okay. That's hilarious. White girl wasted. I did not know there was a prologue. That's awesome. Prologue, white girl wasted. um Just embarrassing.
Speaker: I... What was your theater experience like? What was your crowd like? Because I had some thoughts about mine. there were it was a very quiet It was a very quiet crowd, but there were two guys behind us that were Gaffars. I had a couple Gaffars. They seemed like they were buddies.
Speaker: They were just laughing when no one else was laughing. but It was just quick like, oh! like And then me and Kat were just like, what the fuck are they laughing at? Ain't shit funny. They're laughing during the January 6th bit. Like the cops get stepped up. I laughed.
Speaker: We were there. We were there. That's me. There I am. um I had a so very strange crowd for me. um i had To my left, I had someone who brought a blanket to the theater, which was... That was that was the first. I've been seeing a lot of that lately.
Speaker: Really? a lot of blankets. And we're getting mc cozy. I hadn't really seen that one yet. um I was like, okay. ah To my right, I had ah like two boomers.
Speaker: And like anytime, like anything political happened, they like, oh my gosh. Yeah. No. I can't believe this. I'm like. It's like the end of the movie happened and I'm just sitting there like chuckling myself and I'm like digger vindicated. And I just like I'm hearing like, wow, so powerful. Like to my right. I'm like, oh my God. What m ah was your theater experience like, Tachi?
Speaker: ah i mean Nothing of note. There were maybe five to ten other people and none of them made a peep. So yeah be pretty pleasant, actually. I like it when it's like that. Nice. ah The people next to you, Alex, that's the demographic for this movie.
Speaker: Absolutely. This is a very boomer-coded movie. my There was a one-star review that I did not decide to read, and it referenced, like, this will go crazy for liberal uncles slash dads.
Speaker: Yeah. ah Yeah, that's that's accurate. um My... Thought this like this morning when I woke up, I'm thinking about the movie and we're going to talk about the social network a lot versus this movie. But I'm thinking of like the time we were in when the social network came out like 2011, like 15 years ago, like we're still using Facebook.
Speaker: There's a lot of mystery and intrigue behind Facebook. behind Zuckerberg, and it was interesting to get a director like Fincher's vision on the beginnings of this app that just blew up the world.
Speaker: Versus now, like, for our age demographic, like, anyone, and not even just us, we'll go 15 to 35. I don't think anyone uses Facebook like that anymore.
Speaker: Marketplace. That's about it. I use i use Marketplace, right but, like, i The things that happen in this movie that happen in real life are important. But I'm watching the movie and I'm like, I just don't care because I don't use Facebook like that. And they're like, 62% of these people are getting vindicated. I'm like, yeah, the 50 to 65 year olds. You mean radicalized?
Speaker: Radicalized, not vindicated. Yeah, they're getting radicalized. They're getting vindicated. What Freudian slip was that? You got me.
Speaker: Hands up. Lost in the frame is a secret alt-right psyop. Yeah. But I don't know. I just like don't care. like I feel like if there's a TikTok version or like a Twitter version with like Elon Musk, then there's just more meat to chew on. But I don't know. What are you guys' just thoughts about that? like Did you think about any of that during your your showing?
Speaker: What you just said is how Alex and I feel about disclosure today. Okay. Why is disclosure to catch and trace today? Hello? Because it just seems like a message that is only reaching maybe 1% of people.
Speaker: And it's also coming like way too late. Because everything in this movie, it just doesn't apply anymore. like It doesn't matter. And the audience that it's intended for, I think, are already aware of all these problems and all of this context. Yes. And like again, this movie is like six years too late.
Speaker: Because we're already like, it's not groundbreaking. The Facebook files already came out. You know, Jeff Horowitz, um yeah he won a Pulitzer Prize for for it.
Speaker: yeah know Incredible piece of reporting. Like, you know, it it just was. Okay. like Oh, like Facebook radicalized 62% of people six years ago.
Speaker: All right, it is 2026, dude. We have bigger problems to worry about. Yeah. Okay? Like, for starters, um to go back to my Dallas trip, this is this is a crazy one.
Speaker: um And again, this is just one of those things where it's like a movie like this, just, it I don't care. i don't care. Because a year ago, almost to the day, I took my brand new to me, it was used, my plug-in hybrid Volvo, and I drove it to Dallas for work.
Speaker: and I drove it back. And I was up there for, i think, two nights. um
Speaker: I used maybe half a tank of gas. And I was actually astounded at how little gas I used. I thought the the gas gauge was broken because my mileage was that good.
Speaker: um Same thing, you know, just now. I drove up Friday night. I didn't drive at all on Saturday and I drove home Sunday. I used an entire tank of gas.
Speaker: I, it's like the government is polluting our own gas and making it worse because they're, they're cutting it with ethanol to try and expand the supply. um That's public. They have talked about doing that. You know, we are low on our own gas reserves and it's costing me I spent $110 on two tanks of gas in two days.
Speaker: So, like, I'm doing that. I'm sure both of you are doing that. Everybody else is doing that.
Speaker: What is this ethanol doing to our engines that's designed to handle, like, not to handle that?
Speaker: We're in a war. We are in a post-radicalization space where everything that this movie is complaining about is happening. all It happened, and we're dealing with the second-order effects of it.
Speaker: And it's getting worse. And so, who cares? What does this movie do, man? don't know. What's the point? so you could like I made a message about it.
Speaker: I tried.
Speaker: Man, Digger vindicated. i mean i can't believe it. Yeah. like it It was so... And and honestly, honestly, I'm going to give it a little bit of credit because I didn't really think it went off the rails until the last 30 minutes.
Speaker: The first, i don't know, hour and 20 of this movie, I was like, okay, This is a movie, like, this is one of those, like, investigative journalist movies, and ah kind of like that. Like, I was having fun with it as, like, oh, this is, like, a procedural, you know? i was like, oh, this is what's going to happen next, and, like, oh, like, the story, and this is, was like, this is, I'm enjoying it. Like, I wasn't, like, miserable.
Speaker: And then it just kind of, the whole, like, message of it really just lost Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I something I say a lot is that when I'm disappointed by a movie, it's like, oh, yeah, that you know, this this movie had the bones of a movie that could have been really great.
Speaker: You know, it had like good execution of X, Y and Z. But ah unfortunately. This time, these bones are mine. They're my bones that have been lying in my grave long after I've gone and you know I'm still waiting for this movie to have something to say, to have some sort of lasting impact on society, and and there's just nothing.
Speaker: I think that's a good segue to do a little versus match between the social network versus the social reckoning in terms of The team that executed on the vision of the movie. So director, writer, cinematographer, score editor. Just wanted to have a conversation on that. So director, the social network, David Fincher versus Aaron Sorkin.
Speaker: Obviously Fincher is an amazing director with a very stylized visual style. um Sorkin is... I think I've seen one of his movies that he's directed the trial of the Chicago seven, which I thought was fine.
Speaker: Um, but there's, there was just no world. I don't think where this was ever going to hold a candle to a David Fincher movie. So like that was the immediate, like first, why are we doing this?
Speaker: You probably shouldn't. Second, second, Aaron Sorkin versus Aaron Sorkin. He did write The Social Network, and he also wrote The Social Reckoning. So we can talk about this one for a while.
Speaker: I think The Social Network is a perfect movie. like That is actually one of my favorite movies. It's a five out of five. It's very It's very good. I don't know what happened with this script. I don't know if age has just taken a toll on him, but...
Speaker: This was awful. Like every piece of dialogue, just the script as a whole was just shit. It was quirk chungusy.
Speaker: It was so quirk chungusy. The humor. Yeah. The whole. um Oh, OK. There was again in my reviews that I was looking at.
Speaker: There was a list of the best quotes. Let me see if I can pull it up. Let me know what you need to do. I just have a comment real quick. So Sorkin, historically, he writes dialogue differently, but it works. And I think it works maybe in the hands of a more capable director.
Speaker: Because he'll make his people talk like how people don't normally talk in real life. Like, people don't talk like this. If you're watching movie, it's okay. And it's like with the the references, like...
Speaker: inter interwoven in between normal sentences when like something thrilling is happening and you're you bring something else up entirely and but like the other person immediately catches the reference or doesn't and can like banter off of that like that's not how people really interact but in his past movies it works and here I was just like what the hell are you talking about I wanted to stand up it is like like shake this screen so many times during this movie So i found some of them.
Speaker: Jeremy Allen White. This is the best banana daiquiri I've ever had. Mikey Madison. Okay, this person actually wrote Michael Madison. Michael Madison. Love that guy. Miss Michael Madison.
Speaker: That data point is meaningless unless I know how many banana daiquiris you've had in your life. Yep. Candidly, I actually could see like a millennial Facebook engineer talking like that.
Speaker: I've known people that have actually unironically spoken like this. No, we don't. um I mean, another example is the the mansplaining bit.
Speaker: That line. Again, it was like, this felt like a family guy like cutaway gag. My least favorite line of dialogue is when she's in the hotel room with him at some point and the basketball there's a basketball game on and someone had just like tied the game or something so they can go into overtime and she's watching it like an alien has never seen a television before. Like it's her first time on earth and she's never seen a TV and she goes, why is that man so happy?
Speaker: And then he's, oh, well, he that's a that's X and Y and he just scored and now they're they're in overtime. he is happy for a tie. He is shaking his fist in the air. I do not think I have ever been that happy.
Speaker: I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? Shut up. know, if the goal was to make Francis Hagen as autistic as possible in this movie, like Madison nails it, because that is clearly the direction that she was given maybe,
Speaker: um it's I mean, it's the direction the script went in. Yeah. and By the way, she loves her job. Oh, what? I think and was like, by the way, she loves her job.
Speaker: Oh my God. If she, like, guess you know, if you're actually like, okay.
Speaker: She did a very brave thing in real life. Yes. You can't love your job. If like, oh, I love Facebook. It's like, No, it's like being like, I love serving in the German military, but I don't really like what the SS is doing over in Poland. So and I'm going to blow the whistle that. I can still do like the Hugo boss outfit thing, but we had a good vision. You know, we just, yeah we just wanted Germany to be strong, but those guys took it too far.
Speaker: yeah Yeah. Like shut up. like um like she I don't know if she was... So I haven't done enough reading if she was actually like that, right? um I would love to know how accurate this movie is, candidly. like I could have done research and I just... I didn't feel like it. I i didn't feel like it was worth my time and you, the listener, i know that know you look to us but for you for for this kind of information, but I'm telling you, this movie's not like worth that level of thought.
Speaker: yeah i So I watched a 10 minute YouTube video of things the social reckoning got right versus what they got wrong. That was the extent of the research I did. ah Jeff Horowitz had more sources.
Speaker: So Francis wasn't the lone one. That one was big. She does have celiac disease. That was accurate. It was also a very boring YouTube video because I was like, I don't care about any of this. There was nothing like... There was nothing like artistically that Aaron Sorkin did or added that had weight and merit. And then there was nothing that he didn't add that would have mattered. One thing that he added was...
Speaker: the disguises that Mikey Madison disguises that Mikey Madison would show up in um to the hotel as to not if she did get caught she could be like oh I'm going out on a date ah that did not happen Aaron Swogan just wrote that talk about that yeah yeah what are your what are your thoughts there what the hell what was that is it just like is Was this whole movie just predicated on taking advantage of Mikey Madison? I don't understand what happened with her and her character.
Speaker: It was so strange. felt she was more predatory. I felt she was more predatorily filmed than in Anora, which is a movie about a sex worker. like Yeah. It was weird.
Speaker: It sexualizes more in this movie than that one. I think the very first time very first time that she's on screen, it's like, foot shot and then it's like panning up. She's like not wearing much in her own apartment. We're like, why is she so sweaty?
Speaker: i don't know. It's so strange. was just a lot of ah lot of close-ups of the chest of the sweat and like we don't find out about like the whole C-Lac thing until like an hour in and so we're getting, we've gotten multiple shots at this point of yeah, her just sweating in her apartment. The apartment's like 82 degrees. It's like... Yeah, and you're like, why the whole time I'm like, why is she so sweaty? Is she okay? I was like, she's not sweaty out in the real world, so I was i was very confused for a while. It's very strange. What do you think of her performance? Because like, I thought she did it like a good job of playing this, I think what was given to her,
Speaker: Me too. But like i I don't think she was given anything to work with. Yeah. Like for this movie, it's hard for me to separate the performance versus yeah what she was given with with the script. Because I'm like 95% the script just does not work where I'm having a hard time finding a good performance in that.
Speaker: Like I think she did her best. like She's not bad. Okay. I can say she, she's not bad because there is a bad performance in this movie that, that we'll get to. There, there's a quote by her. Um, I don't have it on me for some reason, but basically she's just explaining that she was not given any, any freedom to make creative decisions. She had like Mikey Madison, like in Sorkin's direction, Sorkin script, like to the Really? Let's bring on this Oscar winning actress and let's,
Speaker: let's mansplain her role to her right no freedom here oh by the way i wrote in a ah a thing saying that mansplaining is wrong i think he's been told he mansplains too much and he put it in there as some kind of gotcha that's the only explanation i can think that that line i can totally he has been bothered by something someone said something to him and he's just strangled struggle but That's the only reason he made this movie was for that one line of dialogue.
Speaker: It's like the equivalent of like arguing with like a past conversation in the shower. I'll get him next time. Yeah. um Jeremy Allen White's performance.
Speaker: He is Jeremy Allen White. Yeah. ah Very robotic. Yeah. It just felt like a guy. It could have been um like any anybody. Could have been anybody. and the character Yeah, the that's the problem with this movie. Like no one feels like a fully fleshed out character, like at all.
Speaker: um The humor with him never landed for me. The whole he doesn't know GPSs. I was like, the what are we talking about here? And then yeah, Mike Madison is just calling him a ah dumb fucking idiot for two hours.
Speaker: There was like a weird amount of sexual tension. There was a a lot of that between them. And I'm like, what's going on In the end when they're in the Capitol building and she's like, like don't get up, like don't call him dumb. She's like yeah, but I only call you dumb. only call you dumb because you're stupid and I'm not mean. You're just dumb. like He's like like, at that point, man.
Speaker: I was like, kiss, do it. Give me something. This movie's giving me absolutely nothing. At least do that. i found I found the quote, by the way, if you guys want hear it.
Speaker: Okay, I do. Yeah. So this from the Hollywood Reporter. it says, but Sorkin, now serving as both writer and director, threw her for a loop, her being Mikey Madison, when he advised her against trying to mirror the real Hagen.
Speaker: She said, I assumed that would be the vision, but after hearing Aaron very adamantly say that he did not want me to do that, it took me a while to wrap my head my head around it. Ultimately, I did fall in love with the character that he had written on the page, so that approach did allow me to have more creative freedom in a sense, which I'm grateful for.
Speaker: But in the future, i look forward to possibly having the opportunity to authentically and faithfully represent a real person.
Speaker: That is the most polite way...
Speaker: I've ever heard someone say this dude sucked. Yeah. I think that's really bad direction because you have Jeremy strong playing Mark Zuckerberg who was doing Mark Zuckerberg down to the voice, to the mannerisms. He's like trying to be a carbon copy. So the debate is she, mean, he was method acting, right? Absolute is.
Speaker: Yeah. so So like where did that direction, why does that not apply to him? But it applied to my Mike. There's already, yeah, that makes no sense to me.
Speaker: Yep. Which I don't know. Go ahead. I was going to say, I don't know if it would have made a difference probably in how good the performance was because Jeremy Strong was really bad.
Speaker: If that's what your question was going to be. was going to say, yeah. Jeremy Strong's performance because. What did you guys think? It's not pleasant to watch, but I think it's good in the... ah Okay, I'll say this.
Speaker: if If you watch it in the context of Mark Zuckerberg is a lizard person who is trying to be a human, pretty compelling, because that's what it feels like.
Speaker: Which also applies to Elizabeth Holmes and the the documentary trailer. So but we' we'll talk about that next week. Yeah. well I'm very excited for that one. Yeah. He was really good at making me feel uncomfortable.
Speaker: If that was his intention. I was like, I didn't want to see him on my screen at all. I i was like, get this guy out of here. I don't know, man. It's.
Speaker: His scenes were just so, it was so jarring the way that the movie even structured, like jumping ahead a couple years and then back and forth between like 2019 to 2021, back to 2020 to 2021.
Speaker: And we're just seeing him like practice this, this speech that he's about to make in front of Congress. Um, Strangely enough, I think Bill Burr gives the best performance in this movie.
Speaker: I think he's the most compelling character and does the best with what he's given. And I actually enjoyed his performance. too Why is he here?
Speaker: He was mean to me. He wrote a really long op-ed on me. I hate that guy. We met once and now we don't. I'm a free speech absolutist. I've been saying that all day.
Speaker: Why does the performance feel a little bit like young Sheldon?
Speaker: Oh, it does.
Speaker: What happened? Why Jeremy Strong? He looks really old. He didn't look really old. I don't like the look. I don't like any of it. hate it.
Speaker: i like you the way he took on and off his headphones like
Speaker: to Go to the middle. Go to the end. go to the end this this is This is still the middle. This isn't the conclusion. He's done.
Speaker: He's like a crazy like Batman villain. I need to know if that bit is accurate. I bet it is. I bet that bit is accurate. ah That's another one in the in the video that I saw. She never met him.
Speaker: like That meeting never happened. Dang it. She's never spoken to or been in the same room as Mark Zuckerberg. um How the movie shot. Cinematography. Jeff Cronin with shot the social network.
Speaker: I was surprised to learn he also shot the social reckoning. This is another case of what happened. Just bad direction. this movie had no sauce.
Speaker: None. I thought this movie looked like a Lifetime original with more money. Yep. There was, like, I think one one shot that looked okay. And I think it's the first time that we see that, um I don't know, where where Jeremy Strong is, like, practicing his lines for a while. Uh-huh.
Speaker: I think it's, like, the first time we're introduced to that set, that looked good. And then the rest of the movie just... background blur slow bad forgettable yeah yeah i'm just just so many shots of just one character in frame then another character in frame sometimes you get two people in a frame but then you go one character i was like very uninteresting lighting as well yeah just very flat look overall just Nothing.
Speaker: yeah Nothing at all. worked um The score, which is one of my and probably a lot of people's favorite aspects of The Social Network um by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross. and amazing An amazing score. One of my favorites. They used it in a trailer for The Social Reckoning, which feels...
Speaker: misleading yeah uh score for reckoning was done by alexandre desplat if you're not familiar with him he has done films such as redirecting you to http here go it's loading um the grand budapest hotel little women and fantastic mr fox asteroid city a lot of wes anderson he's pretty good i do like his really good yeah um I don't remember being interested or thinking something sounded interesting during my time in this movie.
Speaker: I can't recall a single note. Nope. They're one of them once or twice for me, but otherwise, yeah, pretty forgettable. Yeah, just just very nothing. um And then another one that I thought was interesting, the editor for The Social Network was Angus Wall and Kirk Baxter, who both worked with Fincher on a number of his movies.
Speaker: Social Reckoning was edited by Alan Baumgarten, who has edited movies such as Venom, Zombieland, Dodgeball, and Meet the Fockers. And also the 2019 remake of Charlie's Angels.
Speaker: Yeah, that all makes sense.
Speaker: That all makes perfect sense. It just... The way this movie was edited gave me a headache. It is. it Nothing flows. It looks bad. Nothing flows. Anytime someone's talking, I'm pissed off.
Speaker: Scenes like seems just like abruptly end and all a sudden it's like, you're going back in time. Stop. Way too much time travel.
Speaker: but stop way too much one of my travel Yes, a lot of time travel. What are my favorite? yeah okay The thing is, the social network has a ton of time travel too, but it flowed so well.
Speaker: Instead of like just this jarring... I don't think any scene was like ever fully developed. It was always cut off, I feel like, 75% of the way in.
Speaker: Yeah. And the social network, if I'm remembering correctly... I know that it doesn't do, when it does the time jump, it's not letting us know exactly when in time we are. It's not holding our hand. Maybe it does it the first time, but we just go back to the future conference room that Mark is in, and then when he's a college. Because we can clearly see, we clearly know as the audience that that's not happening at the same time because we were told early and once that these are different time periods.
Speaker: But every time for this movie, it's like, fucking years are moving. We're going. You know where we are. Yeah. Felt silly.
Speaker: Very silly. There was something there's something i was just about to say, but I totally forgot exactly what it was going to be. um There was one shot that I remember. There was one editing choice that was so bad that I couldn't help but laugh.
Speaker: Walking into this movie, I knew there was going to be a um I knew January 6th was going to be a part of this movie. i did I just didn't know what part it was going to play. But about an hour into this, we get a shot of men stomping and walking.
Speaker: for about three seconds, and then we move on to the next scene. That's like the first little nugget we get of like, something's bubbling underneath the surface. Oh, that's what that was? Yeah, and I was like, that was the funniest shit I've ever seen in my life. Like, they're leaving breadcrumbs for January 6th. My favorite breadcrumb for January 6th was when they're in the rehearsal room, and one intern kid's like, wow, this rally is really crazy. LAUGHTER
Speaker: i feel because I feel like everyone else's January 6th reaction was like, you get a news thing, you're like, like wait, what? like What is happening? I got like a news i a New York Times news ah alert.
Speaker: It was like, oh, they're rioting at the Capitol? Oh, they stormed the Capitol? Like they're in? Someone pooped on Nancy Pelosi's desk? Yeah.
Speaker: That was pretty funny. The way they depicted the January 6th riots in this movie was horrible. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. It's also weird because, like, I know that it's building up to this. they They left two breadcrumbs, visual breadcrumbs of guys' feet marching on a street.
Speaker: And even when we get there, I'm like, how did we get here and why is this the climax? Yeah. Cause it was like the culmination of the radicalization that the algorithm created.
Speaker: Right. And like, it makes sense, I guess. But even then, like I got there and i'm like, this doesn't feel like the end of this movie, but it is the end. Yeah. I a hundred percent get what you mean.
Speaker: It's so, so strange. Yeah. It kind of feel like feels like it comes out of left field. And going back to your point, Alex, where none of the scenes feel finished, it all feels like we're just 75% of the way there.
Speaker: I think that's the exact reason that any payoff or climax sequence just doesn't doesn't work. Because, yeah, we're just left confused as the audience. Like, oh, this is this is how this is how we got here?
Speaker: And just there are no fully formed thoughts. Yeah. And like just a bunch of not even half baked, like a quarter baked ideas. Like there's a lot of interesting, one, there's lot A big part of this story that I do think there is a better movie talking about more of like the ah the Instagram um and how that is affecting kids and that whole story that broke out like in the Facebook files. We get one scene of Mikey Madison over like eavesdropping in on this family's conversation at dinner.
Speaker: And this very shy, anxious girl interrupts their conversation and goes, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I work for Facebook. You can report that. And they're like, they're making hate pages.
Speaker: They've made dozens of them. We can't do anything. And then the dad takes Mikey Madison. It's like, I want to get a fuck. I want to fucking fight these kids. I want to unplug it. Yeah. um Just unplug it. Tell your boss to unplug it.
Speaker: They're like the most boomer piece of feedback you could have given someone. And then that's it. And she's like, okay and walks away and that's it yeah and then the going back to the the war room or whatever when when mark is like delete it delete trump's post i'm like okay yeah we all know that he just keeps posting forever way too nothing happened
Speaker: Sorkin also said he intentionally did not name Trump because he felt it would distract from the story of it. So he made like the conscious decision to not name drop Trump. And I'm like, ah coward.
Speaker: Yeah. They're like, he's the sitting president. You coward bitch. and What do you think he is, Voldemort? The guy is still the president. Yeah. Yeah. What's going to happen? We all know. We all know what happened. You can't handle hearing his name. Like, oh, that it brings back bad memories. I got news for you, dude Turn on the news. Yeah. He's like, I don't want to take sides. And I'm like,
Speaker: you you're making this movie for a reason. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He publicly said that he was like fence-sitting with this movie. I don't think he in quotes said, I'm not taking sides, but like from the article I read, that's what it sounded like. It just sounded like a bunch of bullshit to like weasel. Yeah, it's, the movie's just like scared to say anything.
Speaker: Well, so, i i have a theory as to why, and I think it's because Sorkin kind of really liked Mark Zuckerberg at one point in time.
Speaker: The social network script, like, and someone pointed this out. I can't remember if it was letterboxd review or like a Twitter analysis like a, you know, something.
Speaker: So sorry if this was your take and i'm I'm not citing you because I just genuinely don't remember where I saw this. um It was like David Fincher hated Mark Zuckerberg and Aaron Sorkin like kind of respected Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker: And so like bounced out into like a really good movie. Here it's like, okay, Zuck, I don't want to make you mad. Zucky. You did a little naughty thingy with that little algorithm and, you know,
Speaker: we may have almost overthrown the capital. He's like, oops, who amongst us? Who amongst us? Because, like, nothing happens to us. Like, there's no, like, it's just like, oh, Zuck has his ideals, and he, you know, is a free speech absolutist, which, like, sure, yeah, great. We all love, Bill Burr says his best. We all love free speech.
Speaker: Yeah. We're all free speech absolutists. Yeah.
Speaker: It's like, the movie ends, it's just like, okay, like, we didn't see any comeuppance for for the Zuck. There was no reckoning. There was none. None. He never feels the flame on the fire. I mean, the it feels like every scene of, like, the ah uncomfortableness, like, the feeling stressed kind of, you know, back against the wall was all deferred to to Billy Magnussen's character.
Speaker: the The Teddy guy, the like the the leader of the whatever that organization was called. Yeah. He's the one that feels like the most like my back is against the wall here kind of thing.
Speaker: Yeah. Which I love that he's like typecasted as like sleazy tech business guy. Because he was awesome as that in ah in Big Short. 100%.
Speaker: ah pazant I wonder if Aaron Sorkin sees himself in Bill Burr's character. Because that's just kind of what it felt like. Like a savior-ish, like yeah i'm standing up against a bully.
Speaker: Someone who used to believe in Mark, but he's disappointed. he's like, oh, you can still fix things. Yeah. We know the truth. I think that actually tracks because the Charlie character is made-up fictionalized character for this movie.
Speaker: He's not real. He's got, there are aspects of his character that draw on a real person. I'm forgetting his name, but someone who did make a suggestion not to sell to Yahoo to Mark Zuckerberg in the 2010s or whatever, but that person hasn't talked to Zuckerberg since 2016, so had no part or conversation during the 2021 January 6th riot. So aspects of a real person, but fictionalized for the movie.
Speaker: So that kind of does track what you're what you're saying, Tachi. Interesting. Interesting.
Speaker: Any um positives yeah that work for you guys in this movie?
Speaker: This was my first time seeing Mikey Madison. i haven't seen Inora yet. I've only seen her in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. For that brief, yeah. It was nice. I think she's good.
Speaker: I think she talented. She is good. And she deserves better. I agree. I kind of liked the bits with the investigative reporting.
Speaker: Made me think that'd be kind of a neat job, but they don't get paid anything. Yeah, i I definitely relate to you there. I really enjoyed the first like hour, maybe hour and a half, and then it just all falls apart completely.
Speaker: There was a real interesting line between Jeremy Allen White and one of the other workers at the Wall Street Journal where he shows up and he's like, oh, it's like a ghost town in here. And then they're just talking about how yeah, you're in the last two minutes of of press.
Speaker: And then we don't go back to it I'm like, there's also something interesting that could be talked about under the surface of the transformation between like tech and journalism. And we just don't, all alllthough all that we get is that Jeremy Lin White is a stupid moron.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Disappointing. I think the end of ah print could be, could be interesting. Yeah. Another wasted opportunity.
Speaker: What did you guys think of the ah the lifetime slow-mo freeze frame black and white title cards at the the very last five minutes of the movie?
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. The fist pump was just something else. That was bad. And then it ended and I went, I can't believe it just ended like that.
Speaker: I couldn't believe it. How would you have ended this movie?
Speaker: would have made them kiss. Even if it didn't happen. And then he would have died like Kylo Ren. I would have ended it before she started talking at the deposition.
Speaker: You got to do like a slow like a slow like punch in. The music swells and she's about to start talking and then... cuts to black. I think they should have ended it with Mark Zuckerberg's home address on screen. Do something. Get him, boys.
Speaker: Yeah, like this whole movie just feels so reminiscent of like the establishment Democrats and like the the leaders of the DNC where all they do when like all these repeated crimes and atrocities are happening within our own federal government, they're just like, oh no, ah Trump and his billionaire friends are doing something bad again. Someone do something. Like you do something. ah i oh Oh, here's another one of my favorite parts of the movie.
Speaker: um When Mikey Madison is explaining like why her white girl wasted friend got radicalized, and she was like, she supported a candidate for president. She thinks that candidate got blackballed by the DNC.
Speaker: Yeah. And I'm like, That's what happened. Like, what do you mean? That is literally what happened. What do you mean she thinks? We were there. who saw it. I remember it. remember.
Speaker: Yes, that is actually how it went down. ye One of the funniest shots in this is the callback to the friend of Weicker Wasted of her being at the January 6th. It it was just her with an American flag. i was like...
Speaker: That is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. Like, are we serious?
Speaker: of I know that shot went crazy to the boomers next to me. Oh, yeah. They went, wow. They were just, like, gripping onto their seats. Blown back by an imaginary wind.
Speaker: They were seeing this in 40X when we weren't. Yeah, they're just... reckoning in 40X. Someone comes out and beats you during January 6th.
Speaker: Final thoughts on the social reckoning? Just super disappointing. Sure. Will there be a social reckoning?
Speaker: All right. Let's get to our letterbox ratings. um
Speaker: I can go first, I guess. I'm giving this a one and a half out of five. ah The one and a half goes towards Bill Burr and Mikey Madison. i hope you get in something better next time.
Speaker: That's it. Yeah. I'll give this a one out of five. It wasn't one truly offensive thing on my eyes. So um I don't know.
Speaker: I think I'll give this a, I guess a two. All right. I like it. I, I like, i like the investigative journalism bit enough that i was like,
Speaker: thinking about being a writer so yeah also like mikey madison i think she she she cooked while giving only ramen a stale ramen as an ingredient yeah yeah it it sucks like if you're gonna make the movie make the damn movie don't be a coward yeah Definitely a disappointment. I don't know if I can call it a disappointment. It was honestly, it was worse than I thought it was going to be.
Speaker: Like, yeah, as a, as a political, as a political drama, I think it's a really bad movie, but as a spiritual sequel to the social network, I think it's got awful. Agreed.
Speaker: I think that, and I think the other thing is, cause I was like, originally when I walked out, I'm like, Oh, that was like a six. it's like, the more I think about it, it's like, wow, the message of this movie is really stupid. Yeah.
Speaker: Very dumb. ah All right. Any closing thoughts from you guys?
Speaker: I'm really excited for for next week. I am also. Me too. You guys got your tickets already? I do have my tickets. When you guys watching it. We're talking about You Can See Everything, by the way, listeners. So watch that. That is our next episode. When you guys are watching it.
Speaker: i don't know if I have my ticket. have my ticket for Godzilla. I need to get my ticket for Godzilla. Can't wait for that. Rest of this month going great. yeah i am seeing it Thursday night, 7 p.m.
Speaker: Somewhere. I am also seeing it Thursday, 7 Somewhere. somewhere I'm going see it before you. You will. Yeah, you're you're in the future. um Yes, we'll be back next week with the Elizabeth Holmes documentary. You can see everything.
Speaker: Watch it. Get comfortable. Maybe bring a blanket because this is three-hour documentary. It's longer than the Odyssey. It's longer than the Odyssey. It's clocked in at two hours and 54 minutes. So prepare your bladders and get comfortable.
Speaker: And we will be here next week with our thoughts on You Can See Everything. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you for listening. We'll see in the next one. See you.
